Nobody Panic - Still Panicking: How to Write an Email

Episode Date: August 27, 2025

Still Panicking: Summer is drawing to a close and a new term is about to begin, so this week we look back at Stevie and Tessa's top tips for easing back into school/university/work life.As per our previous email, please could we circle back on the below, appears to be some crossed wires on account of the OOO and, as far as we're concerned, B2B at this point should be BYOB. Please listen to attached podcast RE: How to Write an Email, and let us know by end of play (EOP). (Please be aware Stevie has had one (1) coffee prior to this episode and you can tell. Best, S/TSORRY! Forgot to attach! Here you go! xThis episode was first released on 12 October 2021.Recorded and edited by Naomi Parnell for Plosive.Photos by Marco Vittur, jingle by David Dobson.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/nobodypanic. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, I'm Carriad. I'm Sarah. And we are the Weirdo's Book Club podcast. We are doing a very special live show as part of the London Podcast Festival. The date is Thursday, 11th of September. The date is 7pm and our special guest is the brilliant Alan Davies. Tickets from kingsplace. It's coming to London. True on Saturday the 13th of September. At the London Podcast Festival. The rumours are true. Saturday the 13th of September at Kings Place. Oh, that sounds like a date to me, Harriet. Dear listeners, welcome to Nobody Panop, Stevie, and Attached Tessa. Best wishes, sincerely, Stevie. Dear Stevie, as per your previous podcast, you did not attach the other guest. Thank you, goodbye. Fuck you. Fuck you. You refer to yourself as a guest on my podcast.

That's correct. Very much a co-host. If you're listening for the first time, I don't have a guest on. Very much of my co-host. I'm the guest. Hello, everyone. And in a way, I'm the guest. In a way, you're the guest in many ways.

Come on in. Please see the attached email chain. This podcast is all about how to write an email. Because it's just something that you just do a lot and you don't think about it. And I've suddenly realized that there are so many elements of email writing that I, or like getting an email that made me go, oh, and I read it. It's like, we've got to, we've got to get it out there. Basically, I've got to air my grievances, essentially. But also some good tips coming your way.

Stevie's got bringing a lot of emotion to the podcast today, as you can hear. I've drank a coffee. That's basically all this happened. She doesn't drink a lot of coffee. I've started. She's started. And I think we'll all be feeling the repercussions of that. Which actually leads us on to the adult things of the week.

Because before we go into the sort of subject, the meatiness of the episode, or just the episode in general, we like to exchange the most adult thing we've done that week to make us feel grown up, even though we're absolutely surfing the way of our 30s, and we're still not running out of adult things, because I don't think we ever will. Stevie, what's your adult thing? Bought a keep cup from a new flat white addiction.

Yeah, I got flat white addiction, because I was saying to someone the other day, oh, I don't really drink coffee, but in the last few months I've been drinking like one every day, and I've really got into oat milk flat whites because they're the sort of, you know, they're like the most, and they're like strongest. Like, oh, I thought they would, they don't taste, well, the ones that I get, they don't really taste like coffee, they taste like milky joy.

And then when I got one from somewhere else, and it was so strong, I felt like I'd taken like everyone's drugs for the day, you know, when everyone takes drugs all day. And anyway, I've got a little glass and plastic keep cup thing. so I can go black white in this please to help the environment. However, they've not got a little band around it, so when they fill it, the glass gets very hot and I can't hold it. A bit of a flaw. Right.

Do we address the bit where it felt like taking everybody's drugs? Do we feel it's a positive thing for you to be doing? I can't stop, Tessa. No, I see that. Genuinely. And also, what's funny is this has been creeping up for about a few months, but I think I haven't really mentioned it, and now it's all just coming out. Okay, okay, yeah.

I think it's heavily connected with in 2000 or 2006 seeing like Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Nicole Ritchie always walking around carrying a big coffee and thinking when I get to the big city, I'll just walk around carrying a big coffee. Never having that because I'm like, oh, I don't really like coffee. Drinking one being like, that's not bad. Now I can finally be one of those women. And now I'm on that horse. I'm riding that horse straight to my death.

That horse is galloping and there ain't no saddle or bridle from what I can see. This is chaos. Okay. Awful to listen to. Awful to listen to. People will be like, I think I've put my podcast on on that 1.5 speed setting. You're going to have to drop down to the half speed to listen. Tessa.

Here we go. Okay. Tessa, hey, what's your adult thing? Oh, thank you so much, Stevie. The first thing. Pick out. Okay, my other thing is firstly to tell you all that we've written a book and you must buy it. It's compulsory. We've got to pay for Stevie's coffee addiction. Come on. We're trying to keep this girl in flat whites. You can pre-order the book. It comes out on November the 4th. And we are having a launch party that day, November the 4th in London. And then we are going off on tour all around the country. So do come and join us. Also, adult thing we've done this week, we've started recording the audio book of it.

And may I say, I was quite worried about it because I was a bit like, but we do a podcast and then when we're like reading a book, well, that just feel really stilted. It's is, I have laughed so much. It's so funny. It's basically a litany of like just sort of interjections. But it's like, it's so fun. Also, Stevie keeps reading lines that she 100% wrote and then being like, wow, why did you write that? And I was like, you wrote it.

She was like, I would never have written. that I was like, why do you think I left it in? I thought, wow, what a weird thing Stevie's written, but I respect her. There's one point where I say something and then I'm like, what an amazing point. I wrote that. It's absolutely terrible. No, it's entertaining. Anyway, I would recommend downloading with you pre-ordering, can you pre-order an audio book? Do you know, on November 4th, I would recommend getting the audio book if you don't like holding books because it's a lot of fun. Or get both. Oh, yeah, you could buy it physically just so you can put it on your shelf. But then listen to the audio book for God's sake.

And then I actually have an adult thing, but maybe I'll save it. No, I won't. I have bought myself for my birthday a maricondo experience. Holy mother of God. I flippantly said on my birthday that that's what I wanted more than anything in the world. And then someone was like, all right, and I opened their phone and just Googled Mariecondo experience. And then they were like, there you go. A woman comes to your house.

She goes through the stuff. She does it with you. It's all I've ever wanted. I no doubt we'll be telling you all about it, but I'm really, really excited. I feel like we've got to do a bonus episode, which is just like half an hour of you explaining what happened. I honestly think we should do that.

Because I need more. I'm going to have to know everything about that, yeah. Yeah, I'm really excited. I'm really excited. We best get on with the episode. Sorry, just flagging. Just flagging that. Can we circle back?

Just wanted to bump this up and see if you'd seen it. Stevie. Right. And that actually... Did you know that it was a episode today and you need to crack on actually? That's the... Just wondering. No worries if not.

I think at the top of the... At the top of this ep, we should just sort of talk about the don'ts. The things that really bother us personally as email senders and women. And then we can look at like ways, you know, like basically constructing the perfect... The perfect email, really. which is just like, succinct. I've done it now. Sucinct, to the point, friendly but not over so.

None of this excess business. Shall we begin with the, should you go for it? No, you've already done it, the nudge. The nudge email where it's like, sorry, did you see the below? And it's so fine to do that. Well, it depends on the deadline, doesn't it? So if you're, if you've asked somebody, like, for example, I used to be a journalist and I'm still on loads of PR lists.

And I don't know how to get off them because I don't know which ones they are because they just keep clearly just passing my email address to people. So I've tried the whole thing where you kind of put all the emails into spam and stuff so they don't keep coming through and then they just pop up again as like whack a mole. But the worst thing is, is they'll invite me to like the launch of a shoe or like the launch of a new patio heater. I get told about a new hose a lot, the hose lock. They're always telling me about a new hose that's coming out.

And truth be told, I do read the email. I don't care. I don't mind learning about the new hose developments. Do you realize that if you click through, they can see you've opened it. And so you will be prioritised for more hose-based mail than the future. No. So you can't click on it unless you want like the, you're now probably on a hose list, which is, sounds pretty fun. That does explain a lot.

It's not only do I not open the email. Like I immediately delete it, reported a spam and have never once replied. But then they'll send like three more being like, re the patio heater bonanza, could you pop? It's like, okay, so that sort of stuff, if you don't know them and you're inviting them to something and they haven't responded, it means they do. No, I get like, maybe 200 of these PR emails a day.

Like, I don't, I'm not going to reply to all of them. And they know that. And so I find that. However, nudging something that is like an important deadline. For example, if, you know, you've been asked to do something and you've said yes, and then it's like the day, like, it's the day of the deadline. And it's like, any word on it? That's fine.

but people tend to do it now and this this bothers me so much they tend to do it for example when I used to be again a journalist I would get like an editor being like sorry can you can you can you send this now and I'd be like oh oh okay and then I would and then they wouldn't reply for like a week because they're on like they haven't read it you like why did you make me what why did you nudge me if you're not going to also read it so what I would say is think before you nudge and just think like do I really need it and am I just being a dick, maybe? Certainly. I suspect there are two types of emailer,

the patio bonanza people. So this like relentless nudging, relentless shouting, that person. And then at the whether faceless or within the company of just wanting people immediately and their time instantaneously. And at the other end of the spectrum are people who are like,

ah, I do need that, but I don't want to be a bother. So I'll just not. And then they have like endless, drafts written out of being like, sorry, just checking on this. No worries, but do need it. And then they don't send it because they think, oh, I won't, I won't be a what, I won't make a fuss. And it turns out actually everyone has forgotten it would be helpful if you had nudged. So it's hard to know, isn't it where you, so I suppose if you are a, if your life's nudger, nudge a little less.

And if your life's, um, not to worry, a bit more. Get back in the game. Right. You ready for my top, number one top tip? Yes. Here it come. How to write an email? Don't. That's it. That's the first one. Could you call? Could you call instead?

No. No. Absolutely not. Yes. No. If everyone who emailed me called me, I would kill myself. No, that can't happen. It can't happen.

I put my foot down. Yes. I'm sorry. That's what I think. That's what I think. If you are on an extremely long and confusing email chain in which nothing is making any sense, could you just call? Could this be a one-minute call that resolved everything rather than everybody just minding.

endlessly emailing. Cool. I'm all about it. Cool. In those very long email chains where there's like 148 emails and everyone on there, they're all called like Emma

and there's like 12,000 Emma is all going like Emma can you do it? Emma can you like who's doing what? And then you're asking then that might be helpful. But then I mean I can already see this is going to be a nightmare of an episode because then what happens is

when someone calls me and gives me loads of information I also do need it written down because I need to be able to refer back to it. Sure. You can do a follow-up? Can you just pop it in an email?

Then you like, read a call and an email. I'm sorry, but I stand by it. Because then if the patio people called you, you'd be like, I don't want to come to the patio heater and please could you not ever ask me again. I would get 200 calls a day. No, I'm not having that. You don't know.

Go stand by it. Send an email, but then call if it's something urgent or it's been very confusing or it feels like things have got lost in the email thread. Then that's fine. But if someone just called me and to invite me to a patio, that's a cold call. Like, I'm, yeah. I'm not having a day of call. No, no.

Right. So your first tip is no. No. My first tip is fantastic. My first tip is, could this be a one minute phone call instead of another? As per blah, blah, email. I just think so many things get lost. So many people interpret things as passive aggressive.

How many times have we opened an email, especially one that's got lots of text in it? It's like, hear all my thoughts. And then be like, oh, fuck me. I'm not reading that. All right, Ernest Hemingway. I'm not reading that, bloody hell. Very good. So you don't read that.

The ones that are sassy and have like, could you please, like it's impossible to get your tone across. Yes. Listen. Once, years ago, I did a large group call. Then there was somebody in the group who used to send up the notes from the call to everyone afterwards. And he was normally extremely quick and extremely good and always did this. And he was also quite, he was junior to me.

Then he had not sent the notes. after and I was like, I really need those notes quite quickly. And I know it's his job and I want to ask him for the notes in the politest way possible. So I left it a day and then I replied being like, hello, hope you well, just checking. By any chance did you do notes from that call yesterday? To which he replied, you know I did. Okay. Watch your tone there, Bucco.

Bucco? And then I just like slid out of my body. like, oh my God, you know I did. Oh my God. And I just like, I couldn't stop telling people. I just kept reading, showing people the email and everyone was like, you know I did. Ah! And then about honestly, three weeks later, I met him in person. And then he was, and then I was like, oh, by the way, I'm so sorry. I just wanted to say, I'm really sorry about the time I asked you for those notes. And he was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry because I meant to say like, you know I did. Like that. you know I did. And then he was like, and then as soon as I sent it, I thought, I didn't put an exclamation mark. But as I read it back, I thought, is that like, you know I did? If it was an exclamation mark rather than you know I.

It still would have been. It would have been shrill with an exclamation mark. Yeah. If you have an exclamation, it would be, you know I did. Like that. And so, you know I did. Like, I said like, girl, here they come. And then he was like, I was mortified.

I've been thinking about nothing else for three weeks. And I was like, I've been thinking about how you said, you know I did. And then we had to have a. hug. My point is sometimes so much gets lost on these bloody emails that, you know, and everyone gets upset about things and people get really take things completely out of context when they're written down that you cannot get your emotions across. And also when you just call somebody, again, not a cold, gorgeous, like once things have come confusing, it's like, I'm just going to pick up the phone and call them rather than this be this endless, you know,

tangled web of passive aggression. If you know I did. It isn't often. passive aggression. It's, and also if you were able to be face to face and just deal with those immediately, it wouldn't spiral out of control. And you wouldn't be like, I'm not fucking emailing Sharon from accounts one more time because she is a sassy bips. Then you meet Sharon. You're like, oh my God, you're so nice.

I'll say it. And then I'll see if I believe it. When I was younger, I would read into, so if like someone would message me being like, we'll check on invoice. T. You're like, oh, okay. I'd be like, oh, okay. Well, I suppose you're not that interested in my invoice.

You don't want to pay me or whatever. Whereas now I'm just like, I just presume that everyone's very busy. And so a one-line email doesn't bother me. And so then I do them. And it's just, it's what I find with emails sometimes is the best emails are the ones that literally are just getting the information across. Yes, of course, not being able to judge the tone or whatever is a reason that may be talking to someone face to face. And I think if you're in an office, the tendency is to just slack everything or email if it's a bit more like, long or whatever and you literally never speak to the person, whereas it's so much nicer to just

occasionally go and chat to them, especially if it's like a sensitive thing, or it's something that you want clarity on that would be actually, when you actually think about it, it would be helpful to see their facial expressions when they're saying it. Exactly. We've lost, we've lost, like cutting out facial expressions of pretty much all work communication and human beings are meant to read each of this facial expressions while we're talking. Like, we're literally designed to do that. So, that's unhelpful, but at the same time, not taking emails personally and just keeping the details that you want to get across rather than trying to, and I think the problem comes,

I remember, I used to be terrible emails because I was overthinking it all the time. And I'd be like, I'd spend ages writing, like the most simple email just being like, here's an invoice, whereas now I literally will just send an article and if I write an article and then send an email to the account to something like invoice attached, that's it. Because you don't need any more and then offended. We're all quite used to emails now. So it's not like it used to be where it was like, oh God, like it's actually pretty much everybody just sort of gets the information across without having to feel like you've got

to kind of do like a hot gag, you know, like you don't need to. And it also won't read, which is the other tip, which is that when you get an email from anybody, no matter how like interesting the project is or what. and it's incredibly long blocks of prose, like completely unhelpful. Like, you've got to be breaking stuff down into like, here's the main bullet points. Here we go. Because otherwise, every time, like when you're, when the amount of times you're like running for a boss, you're like doing anything.

And then you're like, oh, what was that? And then you look at it. And you're like, oh, God, I've got to read like a short story to get to the information. Listen, is it information? Yes. Let's get it in. clear, succinct bullet points as concise as we can. Is it confusion? See for confusion. Let's call. Very good. Very good. Is there been a, has there been some crossed, see for crossed wires?

See for call. Let's not bother trying to explain yourself on email again. Just call. Just call. Is it, this is the first time you're emailing them and here's just the information they need. Great. I for I mail. Love that for you. Isn't that what email stands for? Information mail? Great. it out. Information. Yes. Another tip. And I think this is quite radical.

Yeah. I'm coming in strong. I don't, having sent some myself, I honestly don't believe there are many. And maybe you can be like, oh, no, there is this. And there's no. I don't think there's really any need ever to send a really angry email at somebody. Because when you do, you've essentially set it in stone. It can be analyzed, raked over a million times.

It just sits in someone's inbox. so it's not like what you've done, where you've written it, and it's gone and you've sent it. What you'll do is you'll go into your sent items and just look at it again and again and be like, oh, maybe that was too strong. Maybe it wasn't strong enough.

You'll agonise over it. The person who receives it, like the, you know I did person, that person will just stare at it. And also, as well, tone. So if you want to send an angry email, someone once told me, which I thought was great, and I just didn't follow it, because I have sent them since then.

But I always, I always regret it, is to, if you're really upset with what's something someone has done, and it really bothers you to call or to go and speak to them face to face. Because if you're not ready to do that, that means you're not actually ready to even send an angry email

because you've not thought through your, and worked through your feelings about it and the best way to approach that topic. That's the thing. And once again, see for cross, see for call. There we go. Seamail.

Seamail, take away the M. That says call. Cale them. Cale them. What you should do is start a word document on your computer in which you write Stevie Martin. Dear Stevie, fuck you, blah, blah, blah. Can I just say this has been thing as per blah, blah, blah, blah? And then you write it in the word document and then you leave it fucking there. Okay? If you write it in an email, you might feel better for one second and then you will feel instant regret.

And then it's there and then they haven't replied and blah, blah, blah. like if you're not prepared to do it face to face you should not be writing it down so put it secretly in your little fake email section for yourself and then call them and if you're like i don't want to call them i hate them or i'm scared of them it's like well then great you shouldn't be writing them an email you know once again don't email that's my whole that's my reason right no no no no you still can email but just don't send angry emails or emotional emails or confused emails One tip that my old agent had to say and tell me was she at one point said, can you, like, I think this was mean because I was very new and very, you know, young.

It's like, green. She's like, can you please, can you please stop writing emails with subject lines like, help? I was like, oh, I'm sorry. Because it would be like, oh, God, I, you know, I haven't, I can't send, I can't send this. And I haven't been able to attach this file and the deadlines happening. so it'd be like, subject line, help. Would you mind giving me some help with this? But she was like, can you please something with help?

And at the time, I was like, can you please say that nicer? Because I feel a bit sad now. But good tip. So make your subject lines literally relevant. That sounds mad, but like I didn't know that until I was like 28. Obviously the subject lines have to be relevant and keywords for what you're trying to communicate in the email. So then everyone can find it. And it's not like help in all capitals about something that's not particularly

an emergency. Once again, it's not coo-cooky, cookie business. You've got to be, you've got to just, I always write my own, hello, exclamation mark, as my subject, Heather. And then I've just got hundreds that say, hello, exclamation mark. Pointless, what's the point of that? And I mean, I'm fun, fun to receive from me, I think. Fun, but also when you're then like, oh, cool, let's pick up that thread,

you can't. You can't. You're the person, come. It is a communication tool and you need to be thinking about who it is you are communicating with. and if you are actually getting the thing you need to communicate across, or this is just for you and how you like to do things, or is it for them?

Because it helps you're helping the other person as well, prioritize where, like when to deal with your email because if they have like a million things going on and yours just says, hello, they're not going to go top of the list, whereas if yours says like the urgent thing that you are both talking of that particular project and they're like oh yes we do need to move that along for Shane then they will pop that at the top of their list whereas hello doesn't come doesn't really rank in

someone's working day does it really no I think I think that's a big part of it is like we when we the emails are so often more about the person sending them than the person receiving them whereas we need to totally change totally change our outlook on that like I think the fact that we all receive so many spam emails and we're all in a sort of relationship with Lucy from Bloom and Wild, the flower lady. Oh my God. She emails me every day and they're not for me, are they Lucy? They're for you.

They're for you to tick off your quota that you said you had to email this many people every day. I'm sure she's not really one person called Lucy. And God bless you, Lucy, if you are. She probably is. Good luck with your job. But like they aren't doing, if they really were, if you really were thinking about me, Lucy, you would be like, she only really responds if you offer her free things and... She doesn't need a daily email about flowers.

doesn't need a daily email and she certainly doesn't need this new like tell us if you want to opt in to not hear about Father's Day. It's driving us insane and the point is you aren't thinking about the receiver you are thinking about yourself sending them and I think we just really, really need to be thinking about the receiver. So we've got to be like, what does the other person, how will I, can I best get what I need out of this when I send this to the person? How do they best receive information? How do they best, you know, what does that person need? I bought a bra recently from a company and when I bought the bra the subject line telling me

like your bra is on the way was BRB, oh my OMG just opening up the Prosecco and then an emoji of a Prosecco and I was like, okay, I'll immediately regret buying this bra from this place but I'll let it be, it's a bit of fun and then when I'd received the bra

the email telling me how was your experience, could you rate it? The subject line was and I'm not, this is verbatim, yo, what's the 411 babes? Ill-machiage message me every day to say, I haven't bought their stuff, I have done the quiz. It says, hey, bestie, why you leave us? Why you leave us hanging?

Why are you not? Hey, bestie, this is still here for you, girl. And I say, thank you, bestie. Thank you. Do you reply every time, say, thank you, bestie, best. Best wish is bestie. Bestie, bestie. You can use a website called unsubscribe me.

Dot me, and then it can unsubscribe like on mass. So you just tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, yeah. Oh my God, that's an amazing tip. Okay. Right. Listen, let's keep this concise, as we have told people to do. Let's just quickly establish if you are at the other end of the nudging scale and you never ever, you know, and it's always just wondering, can I have this?

And so sorry to be a bother, but you haven't paid. Like, you know, just you don't have to be so sorry, please, could you pay me? Just like, haven't been paid for this, many thanks. Doesn't need to be no sorries. I use a Gmail plugin called Just Not Sorry in which it goes through your email and it underlines every time you put sorry or just or wondering or no worries or too many exclamation marks and it underlines them and says like do you really want this? Yes, very good. And also I do a lot. I think a lot of us do a lot of exclamation work and just to show that we're fun and not mean but you haven't paid not to worry.

So I think we can all treat yourself to one exclamation mark per email. Ooh, that's a... Use it as a little softener. If you feel like it's got a bit too abrupt and you say it a little bit too, pop a little exclamation mark in. If you've wasted it on... Hello! Then, sorry, you've already used yours up.

Sorry. You wasted it. I do an X in all of my communication, even with the bank. I don't... Okay. I don't care. But I understand it. I do an S.

I know you used to do. X, which then it also credited to sex and so then I had to never do it again. So that was the end of that. So now Stevie is a sharp S with her concise. I feel very powerful about the S because I feel like it's not

not friendly, but it looks like I'm a woman on the go. It communicates a lot without me having to communicate it, which is just like, I'm not fucking about, I'm not right my full name. I don't have time. So then I'm communicating to the other person don't waste my time, which is just like,

to think is I don't want to ever say that to somebody. Don't waste my time. This is an incredibly abrupt, rude thing to say, but I also cannot stand my time being wasted. That's putting a lot on the letter S, too much, arguably. But it's like with anything, it's like when we do, when we've done that episode about work-life balance and boundaries, if you don't set those boundaries yourself, then other people will treat you accordingly. For example, if you're sending work WhatsApp outside of working hours, you will receive them. So if you're sending emails, that are like rambling or like over the top or just very long or, you know, whatever, then people will be fine doing that back.

Whereas if you're quite concise, send the emails that you would like to receive is what I'm saying. In a way, a very biblical message. That's really all we can tell you. Send the emails that you yourself would like to receive. Difficult for you though because that would be like in the form of a treasure hunt and in like poem form. No, the answer's no. I wouldn't like that.

Your business on the email, fun in the letter writing. That's right. I'd rather you called me up and we did treasured in person. But no, I want my emails just to be crisp, clear and under control and simple. And I've never tried the tea, but I'm going to try it. Also email signatures. Some people, I find it interesting how some people like don't have them. And it's actually very helpful to have them.

So depending on your job, obviously. But like, you know, do make sure that up to date and also do have. have the relevant stuff on there because it's, you know, it's a free, in a way, it's a free advertising space for yourself, isn't it? So, but of course people go too far, I have like huge photos of themselves and pictures of like trophies. And it's like, don't do it so people are scrolling down, just scroll down past your signature for ages. But do have an, like, make sure that it's up to day. I'm saying that mine, I'm just realizing now isn't. I think, decide if you are in the too much nudging or not enough nudging bracket.

If you're too much, rain that in, kid. And if you're not enough, get yourself out there. Put the thing in the signature. Follow things up. Let's get going. You know, your time is just as valuable. And if you're at the other end, do remember that other people have got lives. And we don't want to go to the patio launch.

We're sorry. I mean, I hope that was a helpful. I hope any emails listening weren't offended by that. I do. I think they weren't offended. I think they think, no, I began as an efficient way to communicate. And suddenly I've become this thing that people hate. I would love if people loved me again.

I would love that. Tweet, Nobody Panic Pod or at Tessa Coates. Yeah, come on and follow us. Come follow us physically to the book launch. We'd love to have pre-order the book. Order the audiobook. It's available everywhere. Amazon Waterstones.

You can walk into your local bookshop and pre-order it. You can do anything. Ask your local bookshop to get it in. That'd be fun, wouldn't it? And then and then when it's there, put it in the window, take a picture of it, take it back out of the window again. Very good. That's all we want.

Make a window display illegally and then remove all the books from it. That's what I would like you to do. Very good. Yes, and we will be back next week. Please do email us. Nobody Panic Podcast at gmail.com if you have any subjects that you'd like us to tackle. And I'm not going to drink as much coffee between now and then. That's my aim for the week personally.

Yeah. Have a fantastic email. Have a fantastic email. Have a fantastic email. And send a good week. And send a good week, guys. And we will see you next time. X. Oh, S. Bye. Bye.