Nobody Should Believe Me - Introducing: You Probably Think This Story's About You

Episode Date: November 25, 2024

Chapter 1: It Started as a Love Story  When Brittani Ard matches with Kanon* on Hinge sparks fly. Their first date revealed an instant connection and chemistry. Kanon is devastatingly handsome with... a charm that disarmed even the most guarded heart — plus he is surprisingly emotionally available for a man in his forties. It’s as if the universe has conspired to bring them together, two soulmates destined to find each other.   The couple spends the next five months diving fast into a whirlwind romance. Their connection so intense and their bond so deep that it seems like Brittani’s fairytale has finally found its happy ending. Until one weekend that changed her life forever.  *Some names and details have been changed to conceal the identities of those who wish to remain anonymous. *** Listen to You Probably Think This Story's About You: https://brittaniard.com/podcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 True Story Media. first episode of the incredible podcast, You Probably Think This Story's About You, from talented new creator Brittany Ard. The show starts off as the story of a woman who is deceived by the man that she believes to be her soulmate, and it takes you on a truly unexpected journey from there. This show has so many elements in common with the stories that we tell here on Nobody Should Believe Me, deception, gaslightingicated Family Dynamics, and ultimately, it's a beautiful story about resilience. This show was a massive hit when it debuted this past summer, where it went to number
Starting point is 00:00:52 one on both Spotify and Apple, which is just a truly insane accomplishment for an independent show. So you can binge all of season one right now, and Britney is launching new episodes starting December 31st. And I am thrilled to announce that Britney is the very first creator partner on my brand new podcast network, True Story Media, which I am officially launching in 2025. True Story Media is going to focus on uplifting the kind of well-reported, ethically made true crime content that I love. So watch this space for more and I will have
Starting point is 00:01:25 updates very soon. In the meantime, please enjoy the debut episode of You Probably Think This Story's About You. And you know what to do. Subscribe to the show at the link in our show notes. Without further ado, here's the show. Well, friends, it's 2025. It's here. This year is going to be, well, one thing it won't be is boring. And that's about the only prediction I'm going to make right now. But one piece of news that I am excited to share is that the wait for my new book, The Mother Next Door, is almost over. It is coming at you on February 4th from St. Martin's Press. So soon! I co-authored this book with friend and beloved contributor of this show, Detective Mike Weber,
Starting point is 00:02:14 about three of the most impactful cases of his career. Even if you are one of the OG-est of OG listeners to this show, I promise you are going to learn so many new and shocking details about the three cases we cover. We just go into so much more depth on these stories. And you're also going to learn a ton about Mike's story. Now, I know y'all love Detective Mike because he gets his very own fan mail here at Nobody Should Believe Me. And if you've ever wondered, how did Mike become the detective when it came to Munchausen by proxy cases, you are going to learn all about his origin story in this book. And I know we've got many audiobook listeners out there, so I'm very excited to share with you the audiobook is read by me, Andrea Dunlop, your humble narrator of this very show. I really loved
Starting point is 00:02:57 getting to read this book, and I'm so excited to share this with you. If you are able to pre-order the book, doing so will really help us out. It will signal to our publisher that there is excitement about the book, and it will also give us a shot at that all-important bestseller list. And of course, if that's simply not in the budget right now, we get it. Books are not cheap. Library sales are also extremely important for books, so putting in a request at your local library is another way that you can help. So you can pre-order the book right now in
Starting point is 00:03:25 all formats at the link in our show notes. And if you are in Seattle or Fort Worth, Mike and I are doing live events the week of launch, which you can also find more information about at the link in our show notes. These events will be free to attend, but please do RSVP so that we can plan accordingly. See you out there. Calling all sellers. Salesforce is hiring account executives to join us on the cutting edge of technology. Here, innovation isn't a buzzword. It's a way of life. You'll be solving customer challenges faster with agents,
Starting point is 00:03:58 winning with purpose, and showing the world what AI was meant to be. Let's create the agent-first future together. Head to salesforce.com slash careers to learn more. This is the true story of my life. I changed some names and details to protect the innocent. It is marked explicit. Proceed with caution.
Starting point is 00:04:27 Yeah. Of course not everybody needs to know what they are. No, no one will know. Brittany tells everybody. Oh, I'll tell everybody. I had to come up with a nightmare. But I had the very best intentions. You probably think this story is about you. I'm Brittany Ard, and this story is mine. I had been swiping and matching and going on first dates sort of all of June. Navigating dating apps can be challenging, constantly dodging the scammers and the catfishers and the guys trying to sell me Bitcoin. Kanan's profile came up three different
Starting point is 00:05:33 times. There was a lot more thought around his profile than others. I would either swipe left or swipe right, and it was a pretty easy decision. He was one where I clicked on all the pictures, read all the prompts. For some reason, I was hesitant. But I was attracted. And I'm not sure if it was a look in his eyes or if it was something that I could sense. I don't know if it was the mood, his dimples, the prompts. There was a mischievous grin in his main profile picture.
Starting point is 00:06:18 I couldn't tell if it was like comedy or something else. Something about that fourth time that I saw him come through, I was like, okay, fuck it. So I swiped right. We went on a date within two days of matching. And I, at the time, was doing a walk for all my first dates. Kanan lived in Tacoma, and I was in Seattle. I ended up going down to Tacoma to meet him because my best friend lives down there. And I was like, we'll go on a walk, and then I can meet my best friend for dinner. You know, sort of kill two birds with one stone. Every time I go on a date, I have to send her screenshots and like, this is the guy I'm seeing. This is where we're meeting. I will check in with you, you know, in an hour, if not like come rescue me. I actually got there early so that I
Starting point is 00:07:17 could check out and see him arriving. Within 30 seconds of me hitting that curb, he was behind me, tapping me on my shoulder. I turned around and he said, can I interest you in some Bitcoin? Mischievous smile, dimples, and he went in for a hug. He is this gorgeous man that has so much charisma, very attractive. He smelled amazing. I don't know what he did to my olfactory senses. So he's a dad and his son plays football. I have that connection with him. My second youngest is a football player.
Starting point is 00:08:10 And so we had talked about how you navigate teens and athletic sports, especially when they're trying to go to college for football. He had played football in college and he got kicked off the team and then he joined the Marines. He had left the military at 16 years to the team and then he joined the Marines. He had left the military at 16 years to come home and take care of his son. So we were about halfway through our walk and I usually like to ask people that have kids what the relationship is with the exes because it's either crazy or not crazy. His ex-wife died by suicide and had been an addict. That's why he was so involved in his son's life at this time, because after she passed, he came in and took
Starting point is 00:08:57 on that role of, you know, mother and father. It was just one more thing that I felt connected to. I'm not ready to share that story with him yet. And he said, you know, I'm sorry, did I kill the mood? And I said, no, it's your story. I had told him that I had not been with anyone for a year, that I had taken a year off. Kanan moved to the Pacific Northwest in January of that year and had gone on a couple dates, but hadn't dated since March. And had had a bad experience, and it was the only woman he's ever had to block. Finally, recently, his sister-in-law, Tasha, started this Hinge dating account for him because she was really worried about how lonely he was.
Starting point is 00:09:57 And he had told me, he's like, yeah, she'll text me and be like, you got a rose, you need to get online and respond, as if she was getting the email notifications for his dating profile, because the sister-in-law and brother were so invested in finding him his person because he was so alone. talked about how it was really hard for him with the gloomy weather. And I remember thinking that I needed to get him into like red light therapy so that he would have enough sun and vitamin D to want to stay. Because now that I had met him, I didn't want him leaving the Northwest. The conversation kept getting better. We ended up walking, I think, for two and a half hours. His job is working with people in need and helping them find the support for their illness. He matches my giving and caring nature, all of the aspects of my life. He has that same energy for himself and for other people. I had found somebody that I would want to have a connection with.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I had totally lost track of time during our walk and when I realized that I was an hour late to meet my best friend Anna, I checked my phone and I had missed a bunch of her text messages. She's like, where are you? And I was like, I'm okay. I'm going to be late for dinner, but I can't wait to get there because I think I'm going to let this guy fuck me up. Like, I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm totally going to let him fuck me up. My name is Anna Love. I am Brittany's best friend of 28 years. I remember being miffed that your date with this guy had delayed our time at the Matador. That's primary, like kind of what I recall from that day.
Starting point is 00:11:56 You know, being very excited for you, obviously, that you had found somebody that you, you know, really connected with. And if that's the delay, then super. But also, like, come on. We have tacos to eat. We have tacos to eat and tequila and or rum to drink. So let's get going. You know, I remember being very excited for you that you had found somebody that you hit it off with.
Starting point is 00:12:17 The key things that I sort of remember was him commenting on your Nike Cortez, you know, and being, you know, kind of intrigued by that. We were already planning our next date. I texted him. Do me a favor and tell Tasha thanks for me. Hopefully I spelled that right. Trust me, they're thanking you as well.
Starting point is 00:12:42 Them being Kendall and Tasha. T-A-S-Y-A. Oh, that's much prettier than I spelled it. I think I'm just going to flood you with a bunch of random facts about me. Oh, speaking of which, fun fact number one. All of my bakeware and Tupperware are the results of me not returning it to the original owners. What do you want to know about me, or is lasagna the whole goal? It's really important for me to ensure you're comfortable leaving your lasagna pan with me for a few weeks. A few weeks? Red flag. on our second date he was talking to me about how they wanted him to come to his son's school
Starting point is 00:13:37 and do some video recording it was national Prevention Month. And because his son's mom had died by suicide, they wanted him to come and sort of tell this story. And he had talked about how he didn't want to go and do it because he felt like he wasn't a good parent for the first part of his son's life because he was in the military and always gone. And then he didn't really step into a full parenting role until his son's mom passed. And that's when he stepped in and sort of focused on his son and being the father that he kind of always wanted to be. As we were talking about this, I told him that it sounded like imposter syndrome. Like, do you feel like an imposter coming in, being this amazing dad now? And like, you don't deserve to have that recognition because you weren't there in the beginning.
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Starting point is 00:15:36 There's so many times in my life where I've felt like I'm faking it until I make it. Like I don't really know what I'm doing but I just keep trying or I just keep pushing through. And there are times when I feel like an imposter, like I'm not meant to be in a situation. And so I actually didn't tell him any of that. I just let him tell his story. There was nothing spectacular about what we were doing, but on these walks, we got into really vulnerable conversations,
Starting point is 00:16:15 and I feel more connected to this person that I've had two dates with than I did with my ex-husband because he was sharing so many stories and vulnerable bits about his life. And it was all from the place of, and I learned something from it and I've grown and I want to be a better person, or I've decided I've made the choice to move forward instead of looking back. Were you ever, or are you, a cheater? I wasn't a cheater, but I was a guy who used the fast tempo of the military to not ever get into anything serious.
Starting point is 00:17:02 Now, here I am at 40, and I haven't had those type of experiences, which sucks. I perfected keeping people away. And now that I wouldn't mind the closeness, I don't know what that even looks like. So I stumble awkwardly through it and learn not to press it. It'll happen when it's supposed to. Thank you for being open and willing to share with me.
Starting point is 00:17:24 I don't cheat. It's a huge value of mine. I am loyal to fault at times. I've sacrificed a lot of me in the past to keep another person going. I am not settling for anything less than a partner that I can trust with my whole ass self. I was already starting to write and sort of remember different parts about the date and conversations we were having because I wanted to put them on paper. I wanted to remember the moments, but I also, I wanted a love story. From the first date on, I was falling in love with that love story. And I wanted to share it. I like to write down all the experiences in my life. And I talked to Kanan about us writing this book together to share our love story.
Starting point is 00:18:30 And this is his first chapter. Babe, sorry it took so long. Today was a shorter day and honestly, it's the first day in two weeks where I didn't have something else after work. It feels good being able to pour that energy into you because you do the same for me. I miss you every day. Enjoy and don't judge my writing. Fireworks, sparklers, explosions near and far. These are common to the celebration of the 4th of July but it's not even sundown and she's star-spangled-bannering my shit. He grinned and skipped across the street. He was headed for the second date with her in a span of
Starting point is 00:19:12 a few days. Things are escalating quickly, and he's here for it. She was unlike anyone he's ever met. Seductive. Mysterious. Assertive. Passionate. But tranquil, all wrapped into one person. What kind of Pacific Northwest sorcery is this? She's aware. She's educated. She's funny.
Starting point is 00:19:46 She's, well, she's here as he sneaks up behind her while she glares out at the sound. As they stepped off in pursuit of a magical conversation over another 10,000 steps. Damn, I want to co-parent a plant with this woman. Play it cool. We both spot an empty bench facing our version of the Mona Lisa. Yeah, you guessed it. Water. We sat quietly as she started to dump it all, and I mean all. The hesitations in her voice hovered over him like a cumulus cloud, or whichever one brings those torrential downpours. Two and a half hours passed by so quickly.
Starting point is 00:20:23 He walked her to her vehicle like a gentleman should. Another skipped heartbeat. Of course, she reversed into the parking stall. Who is this woman? They start making out again without a care in the world of who's around. They both jumped and shuffled quickly, as unknowingly the impromptu make-out session blocked the adjacent car from leaving. They both giggled and without hesitation, in a soft voice, she said, Oops, sorry, this is dating at 40. They laughed and he dived in once more for a departing kiss on her freckles. Yes, we are definitely going to co-parent a plant, he thought as he drove
Starting point is 00:21:07 away. So I have freckles everywhere. From sort of the beginning, he just started calling me freckles. And so many times in text messages, it was always freckles this or can't wait to kiss all your freckles. When somebody just calls you baby or babe or whatever, it's adorable, but it's very generic. And so for Kanan to say goodnight freckles, it really, it hit because that's what I look like. Kanan had an incredible way of making me feel comfortable in my skin. There were no insecurities that I had with myself when I was with him. It didn't matter that I had had kids or that maybe my body wasn't perfect. There was no shame that I carried in myself when I was with him. I had decided to introduce Kanan to my friends and my daughter Brianna. We had decided to go to this concert.
Starting point is 00:22:20 It felt like the right time to see if he could handle the group. During the concert, it was all outdoor. We were on large picnic benches and Kanan and I were on the same side. I don't normally bring guys I'm dating around in the friendship circle unless I think that they can survive. All of us. And a lot of it is that we have all been friends for over 20 years. Here's what my best friend Anna thought. Well, I went in expecting to get initial impressions. And I sort of tasked Francisco with his gathering of information because he's a pretty good judge of character and also loves you very much and wants to see the best for you. Francisco is another longtime friend of mine. So I came in kind of, I just wanted to sort of gauge if he thought you were as amazing as
Starting point is 00:23:19 we all think you are and, you know, and if he then deserved to be in your presence. He's very handsome, very good-looking guy, presents really well. And I thought, how amazing for my best friend to find somebody that she finds so physically attractive and mentally attractive and emotionally attractive. He was very intrigued by you asking me questions about, you know, what it was that he needed to do to remain in your good graces. And I basically told him, you know, she's amazing and you're right for wanting to stay in her good graces. I was sitting in between his legs and he had his arms around me the entire time. Other than a couple trips to the bathroom, we were sitting together on the picnic bench, smushed together with his arms around me.
Starting point is 00:24:12 I had passed him a note. A lot of it was him like whispering in my ear. Here's Brianna. I am Brittany's first and most important daughter. Well, only daughter, I guess. So I'll take that. So you met him essentially on our like fourth date. It was one of the first times I'd seen you be more touchy feely with someone,
Starting point is 00:24:36 both or really in public or in front of me. I feel like we're families, not a huge PDA family, really, in general, kind of at any level. We don't, that's just not happening. It wasn't even anything crazy, but like kind of just constantly in contact with each other. Like there was, you were leaning on him a lot or like arms around, diddly laugh, cutesy eyes. It was definitely the first time that I'd seen kind of more of the like physical contact in like in public. But to really be like out at a bar and kind of see you doing that was the biggest thing that I noticed.
Starting point is 00:25:11 He's an attractive guy. They're having a good time over there. Like this all seems like good vibes. I feel like especially coming out of your divorce and this is your first time dating. It was just like, oh, this is like, yeah, you're enjoying yourself. You're having a good time. I might have then. I was gone and smoked a lot that day. It was just like, oh, this is like, yeah, you're enjoying yourself. You're having a good time. I might have then, I was gone and smoked a lot that day.
Starting point is 00:25:33 So there was some of that day gets a little, just a little fuzzy for me. He seemed, you know, for all purposes to be like a really upstanding guy. He seemed very charismatic and very much enamored with Brittany, which, you know, made sense to me. Like, why wouldn't he be? I want to tell you about a show I love, Truer Crime from Cilicia Stanton. My favorite true crime shows are the ones where I feel like the creator has a real stake in what they're talking about. And this is definitely the case with Cilicia, who got interested in covering crime because, like many of us in this genre, she experienced it. In each episode of the show, Cilicia brings a personal, deeply insightful lens to the crime that she covers, whether it's a famous case like
Starting point is 00:26:19 the Manson murders or Jonestown, or a lesser-known case that needs to be heard, like the story of a modern lynching. She covers these stories with a fresh and thoughtful lens, helping listeners Murders or Jonestown, or a lesser known case that needs to be heard, like the story of a modern lynching. She covers these stories with a fresh and thoughtful lens, helping listeners understand not just the case itself, but why it matters to our understanding of the world. Her long-awaited second season is airing now, and the first season is ready to binge. So go check out Truer Crime with Cilicia Stanton wherever you get your podcasts. If you've been listening to this show for a while, you know that I have very strong feelings about what is and is not responsible true crime content. Maybe you've heard me make some pointed comments about the producers of a certain film, or perhaps you've heard one of my dozen or so rants about a
Starting point is 00:27:01 certain journalist whose name rhymes with Schmeichel. And if you've been with me for a while, you'll also know that getting Nobody Should Believe Me on the air was quite the roller coaster. Podcasting is just the Wild West, y'all. And these experiences are what led me to launch my new network, True Story Media, where we are all about uplifting true crime creators, doing the work, and making thoughtful, survivor-centric shows. And I could not be more thrilled to announce our very first creator partner, You Probably Think This Story's About You. The first season of this enthralling show from breakout creator Brittany Ard took podcasting by storm in 2024, zooming to the number one spot
Starting point is 00:27:43 in the charts on Apple and Spotify as Britney revealed the captivating story of a romantic deception that upended her life and traced the roots of her own complicated personal history that led her there. Britney is back in 2025 with brand new episodes, this time helping others tell their own stories of betrayal, heartache, and resilience. If you love Nobody Should Believe Me, I think you will also love You Probably Think This Story's About You for its themes of deception, complex family intrigue, and its raw, vulnerable storytelling. You can binge the full first season and listen to brand new episodes each week by following the show on Spotify, Apple,
Starting point is 00:28:21 or wherever you get your podcasts. You can also find it at the link in our show notes. My beach house is my happy place. We decided to go out for the weekend. It is where I have spent the last 25 summers and as much time as I possibly can the rest of the year. It is just this beautiful saltwater canal that is lined with beach houses and fresh oysters and clams. I went out the day before,
Starting point is 00:29:06 and he came out after work on Friday, and we spent the weekend out there. We had made plans to go to the drive-in because he had never been. I did the whole back of the truck, mattress, snacks, and blankets, and, you know, all of that stuff. Can't afford to make exceptions.
Starting point is 00:29:30 I mean, once word leaks out that a pirate has gone soft, people begin to disobey you, and then it's nothing but work, work, work all the time. You mock my pain! I'm pretty sure I fell asleep because it's so cozy and comfortable to be in the back of a truck, cuddled up to this amazing man. I said, please, please, I need to live. It was the please that caught my memory. I asked him what was so important for him. True love, he replied.
Starting point is 00:30:01 I think he was insecure about his ability to have a solid relationship because he didn't feel like he had had one before. He said, I am so terrified that you are going to find out about how much of a jerk I used to be and you're not going to want to be with me anymore. He said, I've worked so hard to not be that person anymore. There was a story where he met a woman at a bar and took her back to his brother's house, trying to pass off his brother's house as his own.
Starting point is 00:30:40 But the woman actually knew his sister-in-law. So she knew that it wasn't his house, but he still hooked up with her. When he looked me in the eyes and I could see the fear of rejection or maybe not seeing him for who he was today, I told him that I am with who he is now. That, you know, what's happened in the past doesn't matter. And the man that I want to be with is the one that is standing in front of me now. We both felt like we had finally found the person that we wanted to be with
Starting point is 00:31:29 and that we were in places in our lives where we were able to be open and vulnerable with each other and really get rid of the bullshit that came with our past lives and the baggage and just focus on on who we were to each other in that moment moving forward. Out at the beach house, I had recently purchased the property across the street and it was a lot of acreage. And my intent was to create an event space and sort of this campground area. After we had gone there, he always talked about being my park ranger, that he wanted a little booth at the front and he would just sit in there and, you know, he was going to be my park ranger. So Kanan and I grew so close in five months and I couldn't
Starting point is 00:32:32 believe that we had spent almost a half a year together. We were talking about all of the things that we were going to do when football season stopped and we had more time. I got tickets to LA for Brianna, Anna, and I and decided that Kanan should come and meet more of my family, spend time with us so that he could feel comfortable stepping into this role as my new park ranger. We got on the plane. Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain.
Starting point is 00:33:02 He reached into his carry-on bag and pulled out this book that he gave to me. And this book was cartoon characters of him and I on the dates and adventures that we had been on over the last five months. On one of the pages, it was a picture of me and him lying in bed. And he said, I love how romantic you are. You're everything I ever dreamt of. And my response was, well, let's just hope we're really not heavily medicated in an insane asylum. I had made that comment one time in bed. The very last page of the book was, this book lists just a few of the reasons why I didn't sell you Bitcoin. I can't wait to spend my life discovering more and more reasons to love you. Here's how my best friend Anna described it. I think that anybody putting forth the type of effort that you put forth
Starting point is 00:34:00 into a relationship, because you make everybody feel very special. So I think for you that that book was like somebody is putting forth the effort into me that I put into everybody else. It's such a simple thing, a moment at some point three weeks before to plan it and to do it. So that was the start of our trip, which was amazing. And then the show, we had a great time at the show. What was it like traveling with us and that whole experience? That experience, it was pretty awesome. I finally got to spend some time with him and actually engage and find out who he was. He talked about his career path, which I found to be very impressive. It was like really amazing what he, you know, the work that he was doing and why he
Starting point is 00:34:51 was doing it. So I think that the sort of the initial questions started to arise when your cousin Greg started asking questions at dinner. And we're at this great spot in Manhattan Beach where you just sort of order small dishes. We had like 20 different dishes. Overabundance. When Greg is ordering, that's what's going to happen. Greg is my dad's age. They're cousins. I frequently go to L.A. just to stay for a couple days at his place. And we go to dinner and we spend a lot of time together talking. His opinion matters so much on who I connect with and who I bring around, especially after the two failed marriages. We were at one of those long tables with bench like seating and Greg, Brianna and Anna were on one side and Kanan and I were on the other. As we usually did, we were sitting as close as we could to each other, thigh to thigh.
Starting point is 00:36:01 And he had his phone in his pocket, and it was vibrating constantly. Notifications just constantly, and I understand being polite and not pulling your phone out at dinner and, like, whatever, but we have children, and when your phone goes off nonstop, like, you check at some point. At one point, he excused himself and went to the bathroom in my brain I was like he's checking his phone something's off didn't say anything and then later that night we were on Greg's patio and I remember looking over at the two of them talking and initially it's like, oh, I'm so glad Greg is really important to me, close to me. And then Greg asking more involved
Starting point is 00:36:56 questions. And there were some questions that came up where we were sort of shooting looks at each other across the table, like, well, that's different than anything that I've heard you tell me before. He brought up his time in the military and then Greg just is Greg and he dives deep into whoever he's talking to. He really tries to get to know people. So he was asking him questions about his time in the military, why he left, his work, about his ex-wife. And it's really for Greg about getting to know somebody closely. Kanan fell into that conversation so comfortably with Greg that we ended up talking for a couple hours that night. My daughter Bree remembered the details. And it got into more of the specifics
Starting point is 00:37:45 of her dying and the drug abuse. And Greg was doing it like, oh, if this is too much. It was dating into like some pretty like intense details about like going through addiction and having to deal with that and deal with that with his son around her addiction. I mean, there was a lot of, it was a long time that we were talking about it. They were descriptive stories. Like there was a lot of depth to it. I mean, I think we were in the living room talking for like another hour or two after dinner.
Starting point is 00:38:15 And I remember feeling like it was heavy and feeling like it was intense. I think I was jumping in and talked to Greg about it too. Cause I mean, that's why my relationship ended previously was drug abuse and use and kind of things around that. So I remember us getting to really a deep kind of personal level about those issues. The story that Kanan was telling in that moment
Starting point is 00:38:38 was not the same story that I had heard before. The details of the story that he was telling were different than he had told me previously. And it was similar enough that it made sense. But I also started questioning the story he Or which story do I believe? I remember watching Kanan and Greg talking and Kanan's everything started to change. How he was sitting, how he was crossing his legs, his tone in his voice. And he started mirroring Greg and it was incredible to watch and it it didn't make any sense to me because it wasn't how he had ever talked to me I had never seen this side of him. That, with the phone, and sort of some of the other stuff, was for sure the first time that I really started questioning all of it.
Starting point is 00:39:57 That entire trip was when he just unraveled. You probably think the stories about you is a production of large media. That's L-A-R-J media. Our executive producer is Brittany Ard. Our showrunner is Sid Gladue. Creative direction by Tina Knoll. Our associate producer is Kareem Kiltow. Sound engineering by Chris Young and Sean Simmons.
Starting point is 00:40:32 Graphic design by Najella Shama. Opening theme by Youth Star and Miscellaneous. If you want to know more about Britt, follow her on social media. You can find her at Brittany. If you've been listening to this show for a while, you know that I have very strong feelings about what is and is not responsible true crime content. Maybe you've heard me make some pointed comments about the producers of a certain film, or perhaps you've heard one of my dozen or so rants about a certain journalist whose name rhymes with Schmeichel. And if you've been with me for a while, you'll also know that getting Nobody Should Believe Me on the air was quite the roller coaster. Podcasting is just the wild west, y'all.
Starting point is 00:41:11 And these experiences are what led me to launch my new network, True Story Media, where we are all about uplifting true crime creators, doing the work, and making thoughtful, survivor-centric shows. And I could not be more thrilled to announce our very first creator partner, You Probably Think This Story's About You. The first season of this enthralling show from breakout creator Brittany Ard took podcasting by storm in 2024. Zooming to the number one spot in the charts on Apple and Spotify, as Brittany revealed the captivating story of a romantic deception that
Starting point is 00:41:45 upended her life and traced the roots of her own complicated personal history that led her there. Brittany is back in 2025 with brand new episodes, this time helping others tell their own stories of betrayal, heartache, and resilience. If you love Nobody Should Believe Me, I think you will also love You Probably Think This Story's About You for its themes of deception, complex family intrigue, and its raw, vulnerable storytelling. You can binge the full first season and listen to brand new episodes each week
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