Not Another D&D Podcast - D&D Court: Deadly Doors, Bland Backstories, and Strict DMs

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

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This is a headgum podcast. Dungeon, Dungeon, Dungeon, Dungeon, Dungeon, Dungeon, Dungeon. Welcome to Dungeon Court, everybody. What was that? So it's Creepin' carnival. Okay. Right? Isn't that obvious?

I was like, well, it doesn't read as creepy carnival to me. That just felt regular carnival. I was kind of doing a sexy carnival, to be fair. Yeah, you got really horny at the end. Yeah. And then I thought, do I follow this? Yeah. Well, in my head, it was a picture of Pennywise with like a huge rack.

That was what I would have to check. Okay. Does that tie it all together? That makes sense. Great. We are your supreme. I think we've got a thumbnail. We are your supreme crit justices.

How will we find that? Hercie, Axe, Tanner and the lowly, lowly bailiff, J. Kerwitz. You think I don't have some of those pictures already? Yeah. Everyone's all torqued up with the thoughts of Pennywise with a huge rack. We're collect that. Let's throw to our bailiff,

Jake Hurwitz. Oh, God, it's going to be such a horny here. Yeah. Oh, yes. Crit is now in session. Swing. Welcome to Derry, indeed. The Honorable Supreme Crit Justice is Axford Murphy and Tanner are presiding in our first case

comes from Olivia M Olivia writes May it please the glorious justices Murphy, Axford, and Tanner and is there anyone else? No, I didn't think so. I bring to you the case of the nothing door. I recently joined a paid

one shot at a local brewery after a treacherous trek braving battles with knolls and animated skeletons our party finally escorted a teenager into a lost temple to cure her cursed. The DM gave us a piece of paper with a riddle and a ring of symbols.

He said the symbols were on 12 doors surrounding us and we needed to solve the riddle to determine the correct door. We solved the riddle. The answer was, quote, nothing. So we chose the door with the X symbol. The DM smirked and said, she steps in

and dies. What? Oh. I love also like the DM smirks. The DM, talking over the LA Rams game, playing loud ground tea in the background. The DM knocks over Big Jenga. The DM, knowing for a fact,

everyone was going to be upset and dissatisfied with his session, smirk. Smirks, it takes a sip of their nitrous stout. The DM makes a wide gesture and spills his boot of beer on the ground. Okay, so the X is incorrect. Turns out there were 11 symbols

on the paper and 12 doors. So there was a door with no symbols on it. that our characters didn't notice, apparently. Seeing our confused and disappointed looks, the DM gave us a second chance. We then escorted her into the door with no symbols. Okay. The DM smiled.

Instead, you, you all die. What? I need to understand. You paid for this? I know that, like, you're being brief. Oh, because we ask that. Yeah. But right now, I'm like, okay, how do you do that?

Did they just say, I want to know, yeah. But even like, I want to know, did they say you walk through the door and you die? Or do they say like you walk through the door and a trap or something? Right, yeah, a million fireballs go off at once. He said she should have gone into that door alone. The session ended there. Am I wrong to be miffed by this deflating and frankly weird ending to an otherwise fun session? Or do I deserve a refund?

P.S. if it matters and it does, I paid $20. Oh, okay. $20, what you said, an otherwise fun session. Not every session is just like... Well, that's, I mean, that's a fucking shit ending. Like, that's bad. Yeah. Sometimes you pay $20 for a movie and it's bad.

Yeah, that's like you can go online and see if it's going to be bad. I asked for a refund after Titanic. I did not like Leonardo DiCaprio eating it at the end. I don't know if you're joking. You as a nine-year-old, yeah. Marched up and said, I love Leo. They really should be living happily ever after. fit on that door instead of that website where it's like does the dog die right can google if like an

animal gets hurt in movies it's that for leonardo decapri just for jake does leo die a lot of times he does yeah that website doesn't exist so jake cannot see one battle after another because he just doesn't know yeah okay so this was weird it sounds like also it's a little bit theater of the mindy right because it's not like you're going to have miniatures of all these doors or anything unless they like drew it out it also sounds like they're working with bad information obviously two things wrong here one is just straight up killing the npc with the x thing it's like pretty clear that the players didn't know that there was a door right nothing yeah right they got a piece of paper with 11 symbols and they didn't count the symbols

yeah okay uh oh that's so tricky they solved a riddle to get that so it was a riddle and a trick They solved the riddle where the answer was nothing And then they looked at all the symbols And they said the X You didn't have to physically describe the room To just be like, wait, there's only 11, you know It'd be one thing if you had people do that That's true. If you're putting them in the room

You should definitely kind of say You should describe the room Yeah, right If I walked into a room I wouldn't need to solve a riddle To notice that one of the doors Yeah, it would stick out Yeah

I have to imagine there was at least some visual aid here I mean they mentioned that there were like riddles on the sheet of paper, but like, there must have been a picture of all the doors because it's impossible about what this DM did makes you think that they cared. Because look, even if they got it right, all the players would have still died because they did eventually let them retcon it and go through the door and all the players died because she had to go through it alone. Yeah, so the DM weirdly had a boner for killing everyone and for everyone having a bad time. A boner like we do for for hot it. Oh yeah. Yeah. I think I understand what happened. I

I think that they gave them a list of the symbols on the doors rather than like a picture of the doors. And it was like, here are the symbols that are on each of the doors. But they didn't count to see that it was 11 instead of 12. Gotcha. Okay, that checks out. I mean, kind of. Which is actively trying to trick someone.

And I think not how you would react in a room full of doors. It's also, we've talked a lot about how it's kind of good to set stakes and to be like, here is the meta of it. Yeah. If you go into this door, there's this amount of chance that you die. Like, we're going to make you roll a death save or something if you choose wrong or something like that. Or straight up saying, if you choose wrong, you will die. And I do think that makes people, you know, it makes it more tense.

Yeah, it makes you count the doors twice. It makes them count the doors twice. It also makes them understand the stakes so that when you do something nuts, like say you walk in and everyone dies, at least in that case, people, will have expected that a little bit. It would be like that Indiana Jones scene, except if you walked in and the night was just like, yeah, one of these is the cup. Just drink out of all of them.

Try it out. Yeah. Can I say that I also think this is a bad business model on the DM side? Because if you run a session, that was good, you could have potentially run a future session

with these characters. They might have said, hey, we want to come back in the future and then you just kill them at the end. Yeah. So you're not going to have returned customers if you kill them. Yeah, I guess.

And that's the gravest sin of all, I think. It's the poor business model. Yeah. You want to have that $20 as a recurring payment. Exactly. I guess it is a credit card already. Since I will give a little bit of a generous read in saying that since this is a bar,

like it's likely a one shot because they're like paying for it. So it might be that the DM set it up to be like it's almost like a goosebumps, choose your own adventure where it's like you'll get the good ending or you'll get the bad ending. We have to do it with these guys either way. Yeah. But the fact that it was so anticlimactic just being like, I'm going to trick you. not with how good my puzzle is

but by not giving you the information of the room that you're in. I have another theory I have another theory that they could have been sort of borrowing a table and then the peak brewery hours were coming and they had like a hard out that the like owner

of the bar was like you guys got to be done by six. There was a birthday reservation. Somebody might have had a 37th birthday party. The table was reserved. They're not renting out the whole bar it's not their 40th. Because I think I think I would, if I were in that situation, I might panic and just kill the players to be like, fuck, I cannot be here a minute after six. But even then, like, you do have to, as the DM, set expectations and have like a little bit of a flare for some drama, you know, you want to describe it in a way that's satisfying and make it tense.

Again, we've said this over and over and over again. When something bad happens to your players, you don't want everyone to just go like, wait, what? really that's just nothing you know that's a nothing reaction my feeling is that you are 100% right to be miffed but i actually don't think you should ask for a refund because you said an otherwise good session right just because the ending wasn't good if you guys had fun the rest of the time then you would have had to have left before halfway through the session i think to be entitled for a full yeah yeah yeah it's kind of like saying i didn't like the last bite of my salad yeah right which i've tried to do and they will not let you do that

At a chom. You needed to complain before act two of your salad. Sir, you got that salad at 2 p.m. and it's seven. I've been nursing it. It's not our fault. Sir, you have a lot of chickpeas in your teeth and you're yelling at me a lot.

You suckled every leaf, sir. And given the info here, too, there's no reason to believe that the character should have gone in there by themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of this stuff is just, like, poorly... I mean, it sounds like, honestly, that sounds like a good riddle

to have a bunch of symbols on the door and then have a blank one and the answer is that you go through the door that is blank and through like deducing it in the riddle it's like the answer is nothing so we go through the no door you know it would be so messed up too

if you had an X and an O because then everyone would be like okay but is the X or the zero yeah or do we need to go through one door and then the other because that's no wow think about it I like this as a setup yeah yeah I think it's a great

That's the thing that sucks is that it's a great puzzle. It seems my read on this situation is maybe this DM is great at the number crunching aspect of it, like the puzzle creating, maybe doing the combat and stuff like that. And then when it comes to the like, no bedside manner, setting up drama and storytelling, maybe falls short. So a little bit more forgivable because it is just you guys are all playing at a bar, was probably planning on killing you guys or giving you the good ending. that being said, this is a terrible

fucking ending. The DM did a bad job. We're going to rule against the DM I missed. Of course. I'm for sure ruling against the DM. You saw a bad movie. You wasted 20 bucks and we're sorry about that. No, you saw a good movie that then had a bad ending.

I would say that's a bad movie. I thought Titanic was great otherwise. Well, a sad ending could still be a good ending. A bad inning is tough. Not to me. But it's true. Like if most of the movie is good and you still get to talk about it with your friends afterward. Exactly.

Yeah. It really depends on like, if I'm seeing a bad movie a love, That's no good But like I get to discuss it Maybe we sentence the DM to see a bad movie alone Oh they go The DM can watch the Sopranos And see the ending

Oh yeah Because that's the ultimate example Of like not that well It's like much debated now I now kind of understand That it's you're supposed to It's supposed to be sudden And from Tony's perspective

But I will admit when I watched it I was like what the fuck You were a myth It's tough It's a myth It's MIF. Did you ask for your money back? I asked for my money back 20 years after the back.

I guess you can cancel your HBO subscription. Yeah. Okay. So this DM has to watch Sopranos? They have to watch, which is that honestly great. Yeah. I will say this undoes also everything I just said because I think the ending's not great. Okay.

Maybe this DM has to watch the Sopranos, but instead of Tony the entire time, it's Pennywise with a huge rack. Yeah. That's weird. Okay. So we'll cut that in. Am I horny or what? Keep saying this little thing of ours

and pointing to his huge rack. Chrissy, Chrissy help me with my makeup. My makeup's running Chrissy. Okay, so ordered. You're watching Titty-wise. There it is. Well played bailiff. Our next case comes from

secretly made of worms to the esteemed justices, the east-oriented bailiff and the perpetually steamed Murph. I ran a game for five adventures. where I asked for one page of backstory or longer so I could work them into the world. One adventurer submitted two sentences that amounted to I'm a goblin and I want to be the explosives man like the sappers from Warcraft 2.

Whoa. That's cute. That's just after my own heart. Yeah. Honestly, this is, in terms of the two sentences you're going to get, that's evocative. I know exactly what they are. We're ruling with this goblin. Yeah, I will say, yeah, I'm a little bit scared.

that you said that there's like a word count minimum on what people submit because I do think like that that is pretty evocative what they just said yeah because when you say sappers from Warcraft 2 what you're saying is go to the Warcraft 2 Wikipedia and read 4,000 paragraphs well they just they come out of the little goblin alchemy and they go we're ready yeah also like explosives goblin is such an archetype like even like magic the gathering is so like that is if someone says I want to be a goblin I want to be the explosives guy scientist. The lore is filling itself in for me. When I see a goblin

that doesn't have smoke charring his face and isn't holding a stick of dynamite about to explode. You're like, were you adopted? Yeah. That's what's wrong with you. It's just a trope. Yeah. This to me is a fucking slam dunk.

We have to hear because maybe they're saying there weren't goblins. We're ready to hear the case. Anyway, the party came across a town beset by death cultists and their monster enforcer. A Tambling mound, iriskinned to be made of worms. After they cracked the case of who's killing people in the town,

they began to infiltrate the cult's underground temple. Here, one of the characters ended up dying. By going through the door with the X-simile. You have to look for the blank door. You have to go by yourself. Anyway, out of game, the goblin had expressed interest in changing their character. He wasn't loving that everyone else had a stake in the story except him and promised he had a new character with a good backstory.

So I designed an encounter later on in the cultist dungeon where there was a basin, like from Dumbledore's last stand, where someone from the party could essentially swap places with their dead companion. The problem is, when we got to this part, I asked the group if anyone wanted to drink from the basin. The goblin said, well, I didn't really know him. And my character isn't the heroic type. Okay. Okay. Never mind. Here we are being like, you, you like, had a perfect character.

and then they didn't even want to play it. So fuck everything we just said. You're right. This is wrong. So instead, the barbarian of the group, who was critical to the story, decided to swap places instead, and I lost the character

with the most hook into the park. My question is, should I have talked more with the goblin player outside of the game and designed an encounter together to make sure he was going to swap? I feel like I ruined the game

by trying to force a choice his character didn't want to make. It's a good question. I don't think you should have had to but it is a learning lesson that in the future floating that kind of thing without the player knowing that this is their new character

and also I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that you would base all of the story around backstory where this player is saying I am the only character that's not invested in this and it's like we couldn't we couldn't pick up something

in the first few Well, I'm kind of like, is it the goblin's fault? Or is it the DM being like, okay, I'm tailoring everything to backstory? Because there is such a focus on backstory. Yeah, but I think that that's what you do at first, right? It's also like, this goblin didn't just appear out of nowhere unless that's the lore of your world. And then that's a good hook in and of itself. Where are the goblins even coming from?

Is there some sort of like cloaca in the side of a mountain that's just popping out goblins? But this player didn't even want to explore that. This player was like, I actually have a better character I want to play. And then they were like, here's an opportunity to heroically send your character off and play your new character. And they were like, oh, sorry, no, I'm not a hero. This character I don't want to play isn't a hero. But there's other ways to get people invested than just like playing into their backstories. Like literally if one of the bad guys was like, fuck you in particular and like was like really mean to specifically this goblin or something like that to make a rival situation.

I think sometimes that's kind of unfair when like people authentically engage. and then the one person who isn't engaging, the DM goes out of their way to be like, here's a present, here's another present. What else can I do to get you involved? Yeah. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I mean, I guess like it does seem like

the DM should have maybe tried to ask a few more questions about like why this character wanted to be a goblin and why they were inspired by the Sapper's. It's like easy enough to like start that text thread and ask like a couple more follow-up questions. I think that it makes sense that it didn't occur to you to ask, but maybe this is just a learning lesson. going forward to like not assume that people will like that if you want to give someone

an out that like baby you can flag ahead of time like hey there's going to be a chance this session for you to retire your character yeah uh-huh so totally take that if you since you've been talking about playing a new character but i guess it does seem like yeah the the dm did not ask this player what sort of character they wanted to play i mean this player just sounds a little high maintenance. They're like, I actually want to play a new character. And then they're like, but not like this, though. Right. Yeah. Actually, maybe I like the game more of the barbarians not here. So this works for me. Can I have the barbarians backstory? When it's within story and stuff, though, and it is like, it can be hard to pick up on things sometimes. Yeah, for sure, for

Unless the DM is really like, wink, wink, this is for you specifically. I have definitely in character just been like, somebody else going to do it? I don't know. Like, I don't know. Yeah, because sometimes it is like because you're playing a group game. Like, I feel like sometimes you'll get items and you're like, well, I'm going to make sure everyone else. Yeah.

See if everyone else wants it first because I don't understand if anything's for me. I'm the only barbarian that attacks with strength, but surely this axe could be better used by someone else, right? But the bard really likes the act. Yeah. I'm going to turn it into a guitar. Yeah. Oh, it must have been meant for them all along.

Yeah, I'm of two minds on this goblin because I love the sappers from Warcraft 2 especially. But they aren't showing respect to the sappers. You can't let that. I think you're letting the sappers cloud your judgment. It is. It is 100%. What's the worst class in World of Warcraft? What's the most boring character or class?

Well, Warcraft 2 is... play out kind of similar. It's like different because it's real-time strategy. And I thought this story was going to be that the goblin sacrificed himself because the sappers blow up every time they attack. It was right there. So I thought that that's what this story was going to be. But no, it's that the sappers are not involved enough in the story despite not writing the story.

And the goblin's not the heroic type. This player, I think, came in with a different idea of what D&D is. They see a different path. They want to take the other path. but I think you have to drag them on to get their path. I do think you. You've got to put another bays in it. If you're going to do something huge,

if you're going to do something like somebody changing characters, somebody changing class or something, I do think you have to talk outside of the table and be like, I'm going to, you might be like, you know, you don't want to do spoilers or anything like that. But I think you do have to tee it up enough to be like, I will put you in a position where you can change characters. I think DMs often overlook how,

obvious like an alleyup is from there because sometimes yeah as a player you're just like oh no I'm just caught up I'm listening what are you you you're doing your thing um I didn't know this was a duet yet and also hit him over the head with also they said that uh this one player that was most invested stepped up and was the one who drank the water and like to like essentially because they like swap places with like the dead teammate right so they're like bringing back the dead teammate of course you're like most noble noble noble player is going to do that you know what i'd also say is if i'm in your shoes i'm not going to be worried because now i just have someone whose friend sacrificed their life to bring them back in the

story we don't even need to worry about backstory the actual story is now deeply complicated that's definitely true yeah i do agree that the focus should be the main story that's like driving this thing now not backstory yeah so i think um yeah it sounds like this the sapper's a little bit of a piece of work. Because they're seeming particular, I would just ask them outside, hey, how do you want to wrap up this character? Yeah, super focused, just like, yeah, all meta just actually talk about what the player wants to do because it seems like they're having a hard time articulating what they want.

Yeah, and if you keep on guessing, you're just going to shoot yourself on the foot to do the campaign even more. Might as suggest a big troll who's always yawning and you can just jump right in the mouth holding two sticks of dynamite as your character and blow them up from the inside. Well, there you go. That's perfect. This player, I mean, yeah, the character could also just be like, I didn't have a backstory in mind,

but you, like, your character did live, so you could come up with a backstory now. You don't have to throw out the whole character just because you're like, I didn't come up with enough of a backstory. It's like, you just didn't talk about your backstory yet. You still came from somewhere. Okay, Goplin. So why aren't you the heroic type? Yes,

let's talk about it. Why are you scared? Do we think, though, that they were doing whatever voice you were doing, that was an impression of it. And they were just like, I can't keep doing this. And the thing is the sappers are the heroic type. So that is, wow, that's tough. Yeah, they will sacrifice themselves for the horde. So how, wow, okay, so I think I'm now biased against them, weirdly.

Wow. Okay, so I guess lightly I'm going to be like, I know this player is a piece of work, but I do think the DM maybe handled this wrong. Yes. Light ruling against you, but just... Yeah, that's true. Unfortunately, they did the wrong thing, but it was all kind of in your head.

There was no, like, there was not a major... There wasn't a perfect path for them to... Part of the problem, too, is just the bar is on the floor. Like, when you said someone sent me two sentences, I thought they were going to be like, my name is penis, the garbage troll. The fact that they were like, I'm from a fantasy property. It's like, wow, that's awesome. A plus.

I think I'm ultimately going to kind of... rule against you, unfortunately, just because I think that they couldn't read your mind. Right. You know? Yeah. We hate to do it. But I'm, I feel like really you already got the punishment, which is you learned a little lesson that you, in the future.

Yeah. You'll just talk to. It's also such like a powerful role play moment. Like, it sounds like a really cool thing and a cool way to honor like the death of another PC. But part of that is that the story of it is so good that I don't think they were seeing the wink, wink. Here is your chance to play a different.

character. Right. I think that situation needs to just be like, you see a cool ranger at the bar. That's the thing. Yeah. They're not as dialed in as you want them to piece. They're not going to get your hint. Or yeah.

They're the fucking sappers. Why is it hard to think of a way to have them come up with another character? The sapper should fucking blow up. Just another chaper shows up. Yeah. And maybe when you ask them, how would you like to move on from this character? They'll say, I would like to blow up. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not hard to, yeah. In fact, I would bet they will. Okay. Should we send us them to play all of Warcraft 2? Yeah. Like the campaign. Yeah.

Tides of darkness. Nice. Get inspired by the sappers. Yeah. That's right. And I hope you're ready to have fun. Okay. Our next case comes from Rob E.

To my second, third, and fourth favorite judges and my number one baby bailiff Jake. Wow. He did. He's her first favorite. Number one baby. that's huge I'm number one

I was starting a game of the Witcher TTRP at a local game night and we agreed on a rule about raising your hand when speaking out of character since I was playing a dwarf in the Northern Kingdoms

my character was subject to some nasty looks from patrons at the tavern we were starting the adventure at I described how Torin my dwarf didn't let the negative atmosphere get him down and he silently stared back at the patrons proud he's a dwarf.

However, since I had not raised my... No! The jam told me that Torin said all of this out loud to the tavern, which made the patrons really angry. Oh, I think they were trying to be funny. God bless, because they were trying to be funny, I think. I guess so.

They were trying to be funny by throwing you under the bus. It's so funny. It's such a bad idea to just be like, we need to go so hard on the fantasy racism that we... get on you for not raising your hand. Like that's what the hill I want to die on as DM. That's funny if you do it once.

And then also retcon it so it didn't happen. This is the sort of thing where you say like, ha ha, just kidding. But like, I understand. Presumably it's going to go terribly because they wrote into D&D court. Exactly. The GM then said ha ha ha, just kidding. It's all good. Okay. No. Not really.

No. Torin was then jumped outside the tavern and left with a broken leg, which halved his speed for the rest of the campaign. Oh my God. They punished you for saying that. Never mind. They weren't trying to be right. Justices, this was my first ever session of a TTRPG. What the hell? Oh, that's not normal.

We're going to break this DM's leg. I have to say, like, the, the hand raising aspect. I feel like that level of rules, treating it like a classroom when it's supposed to be kind of like a hangout board game night, I think does not foster. Yeah, that's not the game. You were not playing the game. If you have to raise your hand when you're not speaking in character, that's. I think that's fine if you want to be like, let's try to do that or something like that. Like, if you're so in character and we're out of character a lot, I prefer to play a lot out

of character because it just makes the game, like, we're all sitting here eating fucking snacks and shit when we're not on Mike, you know? I think there's like, there's in character and then there's out of character, but then there's this in between, which is like, you're an internal monologue for your character. I think that's still in, I think that's still in character. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Yeah.

Speaking as Torin, they're just dictating what Torin is thinking and feeling and doing in the game. How much HP do I have left is different than being like, I sit there solemnly looking at my drink. Like that is in character. It's just not doing my voice. It feels like a rule for a kindergarten class. Yeah. So I'm like really having a hard time wrapping my head around why this would be something to not only be excited about, but even be punished by. And it's one thing, it's one thing that if it was.

You get your $20 back. If it was done kind of as a joke, and then all of the MPCs are like, hey, whoa, this guy's weird or something like that. But they broke his fucking leg. My generous read is that the DM was like, I need to. The Witcher needs to be so fucking bad ass. Everyone needs to be fucking, like, get legs broken when they joke around. I think that we've had this suggestion before where the, um, the DM needs to write a book.

I think this damn needs to write a play if this is what they want. They've got to be a play right now, unfortunately. Okay. I guess so. If they are asking people to like speaking character voices all the time, like you don't want a TTRPG. You want to be a kindergarten teacher. Yeah, I was going to say maybe we should send them to be a kindergarten teacher because if they want hands being raised. Yeah, but then just being so into breaking people's legs over like minor things.

That's true. So maybe a high school teacher instead. High school teacher. That's fine. All right. You have to be a high school teacher. There you go. Because you're bad.

You love hands raised. You're a bad DMC. That's the worst punishment we've ever given anybody. You got to teach high school, unfortunately. Yeah, I'm trying to think what the toughest, the toughest room to teach would be. Like the most brutal teenagers. Sophomores, I think. Yeah, sophomores right after lunch.

So they're all really sleepy. Ooh. Yeah. And like a really rowdy class that they've like figured out that getting in trouble at school isn't that huge of a deal. I bet sophomore year. is tough to teach history to. I think, yeah. Full class, full of cool kids

that have gotten in so much trouble that they know that like unless they get expelled, it really doesn't matter. No nerds at all. Yeah, zero nerds. Yeah. And then the kids are going to break your leg. You're the nerd. You're the nerd. Somehow they're all the varsity football

quarterback. I don't know how there's that many quarterbacks. And somehow every time they raise their hand, it still feels like it's mocking you. Like, it's malicious compliance. They call you teach, but not in a cool way. It's such a, like, what a red flag and a weird move to be like this, like, my character standing up to people giving him weird looks is you talking out of character. It'd be so different if you were just as a joke being like, ha ha, you yell, I cast fireball

as you cast fireball. And everyone goes, what, what's fireball? What's mana? What's spells like that? Yeah, that's table banter. And you've got to want that as a new DM with the new group. You're like, oh, yeah, now we're having fun. We're laughing.

Now we're jumping the dwarf for saying they were proud. Yeah, what the fuck? It's not a black box theater. Yeah, what a, yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah, you got done so dirty. Yeah.

Yeah, we've had a couple ones that were like, I don't know, cutting it pretty close. This one's pretty clear. Yeah, yeah. This one's pretty clear. But it's okay because a class of sophomore year cool kids is going to absolutely destroy this DM. Nobody's sitting normally.

Truly. Yeah, everyone's sitting on the desk. They're all on the desk. Everyone's sitting Slater style. They're Slater style. The good kids are vaping. Slater style. That's how bad the class is. The kids in the back are sitting on the windowsill. The kids in the middle are sitting on the desk and the kids in front are sitting Slater style. Some kids brought hammocks.

Some kids are drilling hammocks into your wall. Oh, and the bureaucracy at your school is terrible. Oh, yeah. The, uh, the, uh, principal is on you about your I don't know what they're on. You've got to buy your own hands. You're bringing in your own cake cups to the teacher's lounge. You got to buy your own coffee. You got to park a mile away. It's absolutely fucked. Okay, so ordered. This episode of Nadpot is brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace is the all-in-one

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These really are incredible deals on PCs with otherworldly performance, so I'd visit alienware.com slash deals soon and grab what you can before their biggest sale of the year goes dark. And our next case comes from Austin to the exceptionally adorable judges and bailiff Papa John. I present a case. Have we ever called you that? I don't think so, only because it's not even close to my name. It feels really right, though. Really?

I feel like, I guess I am a dad and my name starts with Jay. Papa John's has been under some hot water recently, and maybe you should be in charge of Papa John's. I think you should take it over. Yeah, they actually do need a reorg and a rebrand. What's your top Papa John idea, Jake? Backwards pizza. The crust is in the middle.

Is that interesting? That's interesting. It's called not full backwards pizza. Okay, wait. It would almost be like monkey bread in the middle. I think that sounds good. Garlic knot in the middle? Yeah.

Wow. Okay. Thank you, Poplar. I like this. Yeah. All right. Now I just need to do some controversial stuff on the sides. It's just filled a roll.

Okay. I present the case of the incontestable check. Playing a game with a couple of friends and a DM we found online. Oh no. God bless. Our party took a job from a shady fellow to get a valuable item from the back room of a casino. My plasmoid circle of stars druid, yes, I'm actually playing a gooid, eventually got to the back rooms alone and found the item we needed. But I was attacked by the same shady fellow we had taken the job from. I got hit with a bunch of damage from a single thrown dagger. So I retreated with the item and Misty stepped under the door back to my friends. As the DM allowed

me to do this. He rolled a slight of hand check at the same time and got a Nat 20. Ah. Okay. He then exclaimed, I misty stepped and appear by my friends, but the item was gone. I didn't know how he was able to make it in the first place being at a distance when he attacked. I debated that since I had it directly in my hands, it should have at least been a contested roll. Yeah. I would have also had to roll a Nat 20, but the DM didn't even let me try. Later on in the session, because we roll digital dice on roll 20, I could see the sleight of hand modifier for the shady fellow was a plus 20. I was a level. Wait, what? It was a level six character. How though? So I had no chance of beating it regardless. Was I roped into an unwinnable situation? I think so. I think you were.

Or was dice Christ against me by giving the DM a not 20 anyways? Because also I'm kind of like, if you missed these step away, like DMs, would you let your bad guy ask a reaction try to steal something? No, that's straight up just not how it works. Yeah. Yeah. That's an action. Yeah.

Yeah. That's an action. At first, I was like going to give the DM a little bit of the benefit of the doubt and be like, if it provoked an opportunity attack, which it doesn't. So first off, the DM's just wrong. Like, this is just never should have had any kind of shot. Okay. You could, if you put everything out in front of the table and we're like, if the person

ran away but didn't disengage you were like they're going to use their opportunity attack but they're a master thief so they're going to do it as a swipe and try to grab it that's cool and even then i believe that would be justified that would still be fudging the rules but it would be like look if they can punch you they can swing out and try to grab something i don't think that's that weird yeah so if you wanted to fudge it for that i think you put that all out in front of the table being like hey here's my reasoning opportunity attack to i'm making this ruling it still would be contested it would still be contested yeah and the fact yeah this dm did so many fucking things wrong i think throwing knives so they're not within reach you're misty stepping

so you're not getting a reaction out of them you're not getting an opportunity attack oh but do we think actually though the dm didn't specify this but they probably threw a knife to pin the object against oh perfect yeah oh which is actually really perfect which is actually a perfect ryan Irfie move. Yeah. I mean, and that's 20 plus the 20 is 40. Yeah,

so that's another thing that pisses me off is that this person rolled an at 20, but ultimately it didn't matter because they already cooked their character to make it so they couldn't lose

no matter what. And they're also, they're just fucking making up rules. Although, Murph, I've never seen any of the, um, they all have a plus 20

sleight of hand. Yeah. All my guys have plus 20 sleight of hand. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is what you do. This is,

I'm cheating. Yeah. This is how you keep drama. All of your characters do exactly what you want them to do, and that's how you define the story. That's cool. Yeah. That's really cool.

Yeah, it's awesome. The dice are there to tell your story. Yeah, the dice are there for me to write a book while you guys fucking listen to me. If you look at the character sheet, there's a little MN next to some of the stats, and that's for a MIRF Stratis. Yeah, which gives you plus 10 to a stat. I think that you should feel good because it sounds like you were not supposed to get this thing. Yeah, yeah.

You almost got it. but clearly the DM was like covering their tracks I know that's the but see that's what pisses me off about this right is it is like I do give DMs a certain benefit of the doubt when they're like it's clear you're panicking and you made a bad choice literally everyone does that this was pre-planned because the the bad guy has plus 20 sleight of hand so they knew you were going to get it and then they were going to steal it back and no matter what their guy was going to win Like, so this was pre-planned. This is premeditated shitty DMing.

We sentence you to the maximum sentence of watching. That's being a high school teacher. Being a high school teacher. You have to keep doing until you get tenure. Yeah. You have to dress up as Pennywise. Oh, yeah. The kids are going to put you in your place daily.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. The fortitude to interact with teenagers daily. Yeah, they've got a plus 20 to taunting you. Yeah. The only time I've ever had a plus 20 to anything, it was because I had a level 14 character who was a barred, so they had expertise.

And early in that campaign, I had gotten a magic item that gave like a plus five or maybe like got like double expertise. Yeah, double experience. Yeah. But so then eventually by the time you're level 14, so then I had I was a barred with double expertise in something and that was how, and I was level 14.

Right. There you go. That's what this That's what the shady character read. Just buttoned up. Emily just exonerated them. That is not on the level with a level six character. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is why you're a high school teacher forever now. Okay. So ordered. All right. And our next case comes from John L. To the all-knowing justices and the all lowly bailiff,

I present the case of the caving roof. I'm playing my first ever campaign as a monk. My party was facing one of the campaign's big bats, a vampire queen. with a Wendigo and her minions. Whoa. The fight was occurring indoors, but it was during the daytime,

and I asked my DM if the roof was a material that my character would be able to punch holes into. My DM agreed. Okay. And on my turn, I took out and drank a potion of flight I'd gotten earlier on in the campaign. I flew up to the ceiling and proceeded with my plan. I wanted to bring sunlight into an area

so the party would have a place of safety and we wouldn't get surrounded. I like it. My DM agreed to this, but when I rolled my attacks and punched into the roof, he said that it was going to cause a large part of it

to collapse down and damage my party. When I questioned him that punching a few holes wouldn't cause a total collapse, he ignored me and told the party they all took damage from the falling roof. This made our fight much harder

as the enemies were powerful to begin with. The other players were annoyed with me for tying the stunts. Should I have been punished for what I thought was a creative way to help turn the tides or was my lack of roofing knowledge

punished accordingly? I humbly await your response. Well, you punched a structural beam, so that's on you, bud. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, did you punch a joyce through or what? I'm not opposed to like the, um, it potentially making some terrain a little difficult. Yeah. But it sounds like something that it's more like warning this could happen. And then you guys all coordinate and you're like, great, I'm going to hold my turn for you guys to go.

I think you could. And even them taking damage, there should have been a save or something. Yes, yeah, that part out. The DM should have just, once again, fucking set expert. When you say, can I punch a hole in the roof, they can say, okay, but it's going to be this level DC to do it and just do it in this area. It's going to be this level DC and you do it, but like a beam falls down or like some of the thatched roof collapses in. Yeah, take notes. You know, like make it so that the person knows what they're doing.

Yeah. And also I just think it's, look, like a superhero character, like these high level characters that are fighting like vampire queens and shit. They can punch through a wall. These guys can fly and shit. Like, you can punch through a wall and not knock down the whole roof. Yeah. It's not out of bounds for this character to try to create a fucking beam of sunlight. I like it too. I like your strategy too because you were kind of like, I want a safe space that she won't come to. Like that seems like a kind of fun addition to the battle. Right. It is really fun. It like makes the field more interesting. The DM should be like, yeah. That's a blessing. Like, okay, great. Now my battlefield is interesting.

That's such a great point. Like, it taking terrain into effect makes everything more cinematic. When someone says, I want to go on the roof, I get so psyched because I'm like, great. Now this is a multi-tiered fight. Somebody, like, so much more interesting for her to, like, have one of her goons, like, climb up and try to pull him through the ceiling or something like that. Like, actually use the terrain instead of just doing bullshit. Like, this player gave you a gift. Well, it seems like they tried to honor it.

they just, I think they just kind of fumbled it. I bet the DM isn't even super proud of this. Yeah, I don't know. Although you know what the other, the other player's getting mad at you. Yeah, that's weird. That's messed up. Yeah.

I don't understand this because it does make sense that you could say, like, look, you're punching through a roof. We're going to set DCs where you might cause a bigger part of it to collapse. And that's fine. But this, this to me reads like a DM that wants to get one over on their player. that's like ha ha ha you dare to ask me to do something creative i'll get you you you creative asshole i'll make your the rest of your party hate you you'll wish you just used an action to take

two attacks you should be surrounding my vampire queen and just hitting her yeah do you think ryan nerfie would DM like that well ryan nerphy the thing is is Ryan nerfie's on the side of good right so i as brian murphy of course would have been like you put up but murf bot might have DM'd like that. Oh yeah, Murphbot would have fucked it up. But thank God Ryan Irfey was there because he would have caught all the rocks on his back and he's immune to rock. Oh, you're right, because Ryan Nerfie would have had like an MPC there who like, oh,

this is a chance for the NPC to show how powerful. Murph bot would have had you guys fall through the roof and then would have had a super powered NPC to save him. Right. Yeah. This is one of his three reactions. Yeah. Because Murf Bot loves nothing more than an NPC Dave sex mockery.

Yeah. That's how every fight goes. I'm programmed for that. You punch through the wall and destroy it supporting beam. It goes to fall down on you and does how much HP do you have? It does 340 damage. Oh, man. You're dead.

Oh, no, no, no. No, no, no. You're not dead because you actually see coming from the shadows. He has a cool cloak on. You see, it is your friend from the tavern, Ryan Irfey. He catches the rocks and eats the rocks before they even hit you. So instead of 300 damage, it does 90 damage. How much HP do you have?

10. Oh, sorry. No, it actually doesn't do 90 damage. It does, it heals you for nine because he is a rock cleric and can turn the rocks into potions. Oh, that's cool, I guess. As a reaction, he can change classes. As a reaction, he becomes a cleric and revivifies everyone. And that's where we'll end our session.

It's 6.30 p.m. I'm picturing Murph about doing a what happened last session, recap, and it's just all about what Ryan Nerfey was doing. And we weren't even there for that. Wait, what did he do? He joined at the very end of the fight. He romanced the vampire queen? Last time, Ryan Irfey had sex with everyone who is cool and hot

and became level 25. Yes, you can become higher than level 20. While you guys were sleeping, he didn't have to sleep. He can trance while he walks and even runs and sprints. He can trance while he fucks. He can trance while he has sex with hot people. He gets his spell slots back by talking. He has infinite spell slots because of all of the coming he does.

He has nine, ninth level spell slots and he can get extra because of doing 69. That's why they call it 69 because he gets sixth, the ninth level spell slots back. and with that shall we move to church yes that was so sacrilegious but let's go to church take us to church bot grace h writes

I come to dice Christ to ask for guidance guidance my current DM enjoys punishing Nat ones more than anyone I've ever seen I've rolled a Nat 1 on initiative and had my first turn skipped

what the fuck they better be giving you two turns when you roll a knot 20 then what does everyone fucking hate their players so much why I've rolled a knot one why can't players

just treat their players the way that Murphbot treats you rolled a knot one your character takes 90 points of damage Ryan Nerphy rolls a nat one it becomes a not 20

because of a weapon he's going to use one of his portent rolls that he gets as a level 25 fighter he comes so hard but he gets 100 HP back. He has five portent rolls.

All are not 20. He casts wish to shorten the refractory period. We can fuck again. I've rolled a Nat 1 saving throw and had to argue not to be stunned for two rounds instead of the regular 1. What? Hardly any Nat 1 is rolled

without punishment, which is fun. I would argue it's not. Which is fun until it means skipping turns in combat or incurring damage for no real reason. This has made me wary to share when I roll the Nat 1. Yeah. Instead, maybe I should just say I failed.

Would this be a lie of omission? Should I simply submit to the Nat 1 punishments or gear up for the argument every time? Priest of the fickle dice Christ, what should I do? I actually don't hate this. I would never ever turn away. It's more like if it's if you only did it for, if you just said I failed for when you're failing on a stun. Yeah.

Like, if it's something that you know. It's a rotten road because you are saying, like, well, the DM's cheating, so I'm going to cheat a little bit. Yeah, I feel like you just talk to your DM and be like, hey, if you want to do something where like while we're attacking in combat, if you roll a knot one on an attack, you like drop your sword or something, that kind of makes sense. But saying, you know, you get stunned for several rounds or it sounds like there's a lot of punishments where you do nothing. Yeah. Which fucking sucks. It'd be one thing if like you, I don't know. It's also like, I lost your reaction.

or something like that. It was just like sort of a brutal campaign, I guess. That's also the two things you say is you're like, oh, I'm stunned for two turns. Oh, I miss my. I've literally taken stun out of our games because it's such a fucking fun, fun mechanic. Guys, don't Nerf your players. Murph your players. There you go.

Take his advice for how to make your game hard but enjoyable and fun. Lying by omission, here's the humiliating thing. Here's the humiliating thing that's going to happen is you're going to fail a bunch of times and at some point you're going to get caught because you're very clearly a nice person and you don't want to lie to anyone. So you're going to say you fail and then they're going to be like,

why are you being so vague? I was going to say as someone who can't lie, I would probably the first time I tried to say it be like, I fail. Yeah. You're going to get called out. How? You could lie with your modifier.

Because a lot of times you roll in that one but it becomes like a two or a three. But then they might figure that out and that's fucking humiliating. that you got caught lying at a D&D game as an adult. Also, I think it's going to feel like shit. Yes, it's going to, yeah, you can't, you do need to talk to the, because look, people act a lot of times, like a Nat 1 or a Nat 20 are these, like, incredible rare occurrences.

And they literally happen one out of every 20 rolls, oftentimes more. Like, the odds are 5%, which, like, ain't bad. Yeah. I think maybe, honestly, the solution is just, like, tell you. or DM about Pathfinder because they have these rules in there. There's like scales of success in Pathfinder. Get them on that shit and maybe this will like, help them see the light a little bit. I'm on board.

I'm on board with the idea of Nat 1's being like really cursed in a particular campaign. But you have to have Nat 20s be equally blessed. And you can have Nat 20s be equally blessed. But even if, even if you were like, we're going to make Nat 1s a huge deal. And you had, you know, story reasons for this it's like okay not one you're caught flat-footed so the enemies will like the first person who attacks who gets advantage on the attack or something like that that to me is more fun i guess i don't

know why you're going to make that one's more brutal the game can already be pretty hard um maybe i think maybe just try to maybe you could just reach out and say like i think this yeah it sounds like we um can we make it fun guys you're going to make not ones bad can it be creative and not just I don't do shit for three rounds. Yeah. Or everyone has their own DM screen. Just everyone at the table has their own little screen and they just all roll behind it. So you can lie.

So everyone can lie. You could choose two things. Yeah. You could get rid of the dice and just say the number that you want. Yeah. You can just say whatever you want, actually. Just pick up some rocks outside, toss them behind your screen. Like, ooh.

Yep, that was the 25. Oh, really? It sounded like you threw a handful of bottle caps. Here's the thumb drive. Tell me what you guys think. Yeah. Did that sound like a dice? Kind of.

Kind of is it. That's an 18. Yeah. That's an 18. So unbelievable, dude. This is a pin. This is another 22. Such, such believable rolls.

Nat 20. Whoa, not 20. That's too much. No, not like. Another not 20. No, Emily. Three net 20s on month 10. My pen just got me.

Jake, show her how it's done. Jake, this is going to be a DC, DC 18, grappling check. Yeah. Shit, that's a 16. Oh, night of a plus four. dirty 20 there you go that's so believable yeah okay wait let me try okay okay yeah what is it is it grapple okay yeah it's a grapple uh he got an 18 okay uh okay I have a plus 11 to grappling okay uh okay uh you don't I see your paper right here okay I actually I'm gonna use

flash of genius yeah my dice test 21 I'm gonna use flash of genius to help Emily out real quick okay okay yeah that doesn't sound like dice I feel like Jake's the only person who gets is yeah plus 13 yeah okay plus 13 yeah okay plus 13 you don't. I can see your paper. Wait, does my pencil sound more like it? Nat 20. That's too bad. Another Nat 20.

That's really good. Another three in a row. We're at seven. With disadvantage, two net 20s. Okay. We've perfected it. We perfected it. Thank you all so much for listening.

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Yeah, I'll plug some stuff. Cool. Got some P.O. box stuff to shout out. Someone sent us some Sonic the Hedgehog magic cards from that secret layer drop. Oh, my God. They're all gorgeous. Notice that hasn't made it to our house yet. I'm going to start playing magic, I promise.

I'm building a Sonic deck. Secret layer drops are incredible to you. Yeah, there's so much fun stuff. I've just been, the way I play magic is just kind of look at the cards and go, huh. meat. I think that's actually like 90% of magic. I'm halfway there. Awesome. Let's see. Oh, somebody sent us Emily B.R. A.k.a. Cheese Whips sent us a jinsie stitch blind box. Oh my God. Oh, my God. Wow. We have to open that next episode because it's incredible. Hell yeah. Also, they made a bunch of cool stickers. I actually have one on my water bottle now. It's a clown that has the

words grumpy over it. Wow. Which I feel like it's like me and Murph like fuse together. Hell yeah. Oliver, shout out for sending along your strad story and the picture of gins in his legally blonde attorney costume. Wow. I really love reading everyone's strad stories. Just seeing how everyone else derails the campaign to try and start a burger restaurant.

It's very funny. Yeah. And then, last but not least, Sarah at the Woodland Public Library sent us a care package with mugs, stickers, and shirts featuring Henrietta, the library cat. Whoa! Henrietta! A library cat!

They have a library cat. Shout out to the Woodland Public Library. I've been using the mug. It's great. Sarah runs games for kids and teens at the library. Shout out to libraries. Wow. Brave enough to DM for teens.

That is real. Wow. But that's the good teens, not the teens that sit on the chair backwards or sit on the desk. Yeah. Anything else? That's it for me. I have something to plug. If you were not a merch club member and if you've ever been thinking about it, I think

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your four-legged Greg companion. Nick, Amy, Agus Kunari, Ignition, Class Petal Storm, not a DJ, but we'll still take the gig, DJ Dramamine. My favorite patron makes me say penis on my show chef julie b mama mayhem still waiting for emily's first substack hell yeah gen rules kinda kately h buttwax thomas c dark lotus creations joshua h j dinko and of course ben v thank you everybody that was a hate gum podcast what's going on it's lamorn morris and hannah simone and we host the mess around a new girl rewatch podcast now on headgum Now, here's the thing. Every single week, we chat about an episode of New Girl, and we really get into it. Like, we get up in there. We get up in there. You know, we reminisce about our time's on set.

We share behind-the-scenes tea. We react to re-watching episodes that we haven't seen in years. We talk about how Jake Johnson is dog. That's not true. We talk about so many memories we have of working with the biggest stars on the planet. I'm talking Prince, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodriguez. We're just two BFFs having a good old time, okay? Sometimes we even talk to other co-stars like Zoe Day-Chinell, Jake Johnson, Max Greenfield, and Damon Wayne's Jr. And your dad.

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