Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & A’ja Wilson on Jason's Bday Thirst Trap, Being The Cool Aunt & Recruiting The G.O.A.T. | Ep. 44

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Kylie’s back for another episode of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by Olipop! She kicks off the show with a quarterly reminder: she can fight. Don’t think she didn’t see some of those comments on the latest Jason thirst trap (1:02)! Kylie also highlights a couple Real One Comments of the Week about how hard it was for her to not swear in our Disney special (3:06) and some fantastic FAFO fan art for our studio’s Japanese Maple this holiday season (4:20).  Then, in “Doomscroll of the Week,” Kylie reacts to a hilarious TikTok that demonstrates exactly what it means to be a “cool aunt” and weighs in on Uncle Trav’s “cool uncle” status (5:14). Kylie also talks about whether or not parents should regularly attend their kids’ sports practices (8:55) and then reacts to being featured in Las Culturistas’ “I Don’t Think So Honey” segment (11:35). After that, in honor of her recent hosting of a panel for Malala’s book tour in Philly, Kylie brings back “Places Kylie Has No Business Being” (14:52). She raves about the experience backstage with Malala, as well as her ultimate goal of getting her to say “Go Birds!” Kylie then welcomes one of the most accomplished NGL guests ever, the three-time champion, four-time MVP and the G.O.A.T. WNBA player: A’ja Wilson (21:25)! Kylie thanks A’ja for sending her some A’Ones and almost immediately goes into recruiting the greatest in the world to Philly’s WNBA team in 2030 (26:01). Kylie also asks A’ja about being fresh off her third championship with the Las Vegas Aces, how rowdy the parade bus was and what hilarious sh*t was going on at her championship press conference with those goggles and the tambourine (28:57). A’ja and Kylie then get into her signature shoes selling out in under five minutes and what it was like having Bam Adebayo be the first NBA player to wear them during a game (41:30). Kylie and A’ja then bond over the “safe space” that is being in a relationship with another athlete, as well as the everyday competitiveness that has forced them both to stop playing certain games with Jason and Bam, respectively (47:54). Kylie then asks A’ja about the ongoing negotiations between the WNBA and the players and what ultimately they want to get accomplished (50:51). A’ja also reveals the biggest misconception she hears surrounding this “Pay Us What You Owe Us” conversation. Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for even more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with A’ja Wilson. . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show:   Olipop: GET a FREE can of OLIPOP! Buy any 2 cans of OLIPOP in store, and we’ll pay you back for one! Shop at Walmart, Target, Whole Foods, and thousands of other retailers near you. Sign up at drinkolipop.com/NGL Peloton: Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread+ at onepeloton.com Toyota: To learn more about the Toyota Sienna, head to Toyota.com/Sienna Liquid IV: Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to LiquidIV.com and get 20% off your first order with code NGL at checkout.  Macy’s: Whether you’re staying in or stepping out, Macy’s has everything you need to make this season soft, warm, and wonderfully cozy! Go to Macys.com today! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Not going to lie, my kid told me that Jason's boobs are big and my boobs are tall. I don't know either. I mean, I think I know, but I'm going to pretend like I don't. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave Original brought to you by Ali Pop, a new kind of soda. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, a firm. believer in waiting until after Thanksgiving. That's right. After. To decorate for Christmas or listen to Christmas music. Cut that shit out. It's not time. Give Thanksgiving her moment. I now host two different YouTube shows. What the fuck? Shout out to Fafo. What are we doing? Apparently two YouTube shows. And consider this your quarterly reminder. I can fight. And I will if I need to. Okay. That's right.

Don't think I didn't see some of those comments on the thirst trap garage beer posted on my husband for his birthday. Let's start here. Garage beer. We have beef. Mm-hmm. Cut that shit out. You knew what you're doing. I respect it. I do want to shout out to the real. ones who have clearly heard my warnings, like at Hummingbird Cake, who said, I'm going to bite my tongue before I say something that makes Kylie come beat my ass. Way to recognize. Because you know I would. Someone else said, happy birthday to Jason. And congratulations to Kylie. Thank you. Women supporting women. You know we love that around here. I do just want to restate as the reminder, clear as day. So there is no confusion. That's mine.

Yep. When you see my husband, you should hear my voice like the Finding Nemo Seagulls. Mine, mine, mine, mine, mine, okay? Don't get it twisted. Coming up on today's episode, apparently I was the subject of an I don't think so, honey, on the Las Culturistas podcast. And I'm absolutely honored. I'm going to talk about that as well as what it takes to be an absolutely elite aunt or uncle in Doom Scroll the week. I also had absolutely no business hosting a panel with Malala in Philly, but I'm so excited they let me do it anyway. And you know, I got her to say go birds. After that, I'm going to be joined by the three-time WMBA champion and league MVP, the greatest in the world, Asia Wilson.

I just short-circuited because of how amazing the interview was. And still, I'm crashing out about but just another person I had. No business speaking, too. Okay. But first, let's get into Real One comments of the week. We've got quite a few comments like this one in last week's Disney episode, an entire podcast where Kylie didn't swear, crying, laughing face. How hard was that? Two laughing faces. P.S. That sign off? Excellent. Well, I'm glad you guys picked up on that. I was saying that I was going to do one episode that was swear free the entire thing dedicated to Big Ed. For those of you who don't know, Big Ed is my father.

He is the only person that I make a conscious effort not to say the F word in front of well, him and other people's children. So I did say for a long time that that was going to be my one swear free episode was going to be a shout out to Big Ed. So shout out to Big Ed. didn't it? Now we're done. We did it and we can move on from not swearing because I do understand that it is a family-friendly place and we probably shouldn't freely drop the F-bomb there. But sometimes when you see something magical, you're just like, fuck, that was cool,

you know? Probably can't keep that in. We'll see. And our next real one comment is actually real one artwork. Big Ed said, not my Big Ed, a different Big Ed, said, I made a fun FAAFO Christmas ornament modeled after the love artwork in Philly. Think at NGL with Kylie will like it? Uh, uh, easy answer here. Fuck yeah. That's a great. That's, that's, that's outstanding. That's a great Christmas ornament. Really gets you into the holiday spirit. Okay. I need this. for the NGL set when we start decorating our Japanese maple as a Christmas tree. Big Ed, please make sure to check your DMs because someone is going to slide into them on my behalf. That's it for Real One Comments of the week. Moving on, let's get right into Doomscroll the

week brought to you by Peloton. Check out the new cross-training tread plus at Onepellaton.com. All right, first up on Doomscroll, TikToker Kay McVeigh shared this video of her son calling his aunt about a bad grade he got in school and she had the most peak ant response ever for her nephew queen emma the clip please it says my son calling my sister to see if she would sign a paper with a bad grade uh really quick so i got a really bad grade on a test today and i was wondering if you could sign my mom's signature because she doesn't like i don't want her to see it because like i'm really scared that I'm going to get in trouble. Yep.

All right. So can I like ride my bike over? Yep. I'm so happy. All right, thank you. You're welcome. I'm in a way. All right.

Yeah. Or as she said, yep. That outstanding. First of all, the prompt response. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. I love this.

so much. Your aunts and uncles are supposed to be safe space. They're supposed to be the family that's just removed enough that they can kind of get behind the chaos that ensues. I love this so much. If I currently have my three nieces that I call my nieces, they're a family friend that are close enough that I feel they are my nieces, I also have true blood-related two niece is one nephew that I am grateful enough to have in my life. If any of them called me, my nieces are teenagers. If any of them called me, I mean, if they called me for a ride at 1 a am, if they called me to sign a test, if they call me for anything, I'd be like, drop a pin. give me 10 minutes and that's 10 minutes to get to you not 10 minutes until i leave my house 10

minutes no questions asked i do believe that uh my i do believe uncle trapp would do this i think uncle trav wouldn't think twice it would be difficult to get it to him but by then there might be like virtual signature for these tests situations and if that is the case uncle trav i guarantee you will sign it to send back to school i know that for a fact and i know that because i think there's two layers to this will they sign it uh maybe three layers will they sign it how much of a priority is it and are they going to tell the parents my answer will i sign it yes how quickly am I going to get this done? Is it a priority? Top priority. It's going back to school with you tomorrow. Even if you call me, 9.30 at night. Okay? Third? I'm not telling nobody. What happened? Who?

That's not my... I didn't do that. I didn't say that. I don't know what you're... I didn't even receive a phone call. I don't know what you're talking about. Get it? So, call Aunt Kai. She'll take care of it. My little nieces and nephews, you know who you are. give an kai call i'll take care of it take care of it real quick yeah to be clear you're still going to have that grade but i will sign it i'm not going to be the aunt that's like you shouldn't be giving no you earn that grade so he's good degrees how do you think i graduated next up on doom scroll we're talking about practice that's right world cup champion abby wambach was on the today show and shared her thoughts on parents attending their kids sports practices queen um of the clip please

Do not go to practice. Oh, practice. Drop your kids off. If they're young, walk them to the practice. Go get in your car, sit in your car, play on your phone, do whatever you want to do. Read a book. Go for a walk, go to the walk. But do not go to the practice.

This is a time for your kids to play, to not be looking over their shoulders. Also, give parents their life back a little bit. That's true. Come on. Amen. I cannot agree with this more. Don't go to, what are you doing? Don't go to practice.

do not go to practice. The practice is set up to prepare them for game play. They're there to play. They're there to sort it out. They're there to learn new skills. They're there to focus on their teammates and the coach. I love the idea of roll up, drop your kids off, tell them to have a great practice. If you want to stick around in the parking lot, fine. But it shouldn't be, it should be clear to your child that you are not involved in their practice. You know what's cool? When they come to you after practice and they get in the car and you can say, what did you work on today? What did you learn? How did that go? What did you like the best? It's more ways to talk to your kids. But being there, also as if you're, what are you going to do? Pop in and coach too? No, go sit in your car.

cut that out don't do that they're at practice let them go and play like abby said let them go play that's why they're there we are not quite to an age yet where our kids are doing organized sports without parents we currently we've started soccer when they do other practices they've done gymnastics. During gymnastics, I have tried to sit down so that they can't see me. Why I didn't like that? Because it was more of a, you're not going to leave me, right? We were still able to talk about what was happening afterwards. And whenever she looked at me, I was like, stop looking at me, focus on what you're doing. And the one time I actually told her in the car, hey, if you keep looking over at me during practice, I will go and sit in a place where you can't see me.

because I'm not involved in your practice. You have to focus on your coach. And last scroll, it's been brought to my attention that I was featured in an iconic Las Culture East Dusts podcast segment called I don't think so, honey. I have not seen this yet. So you're seeing my reaction in real time. Queen Emma, the clip, please.

I don't think so, honey. Kylie Kelsey is his wife. I thought she was their sister. That's on you. I thought Kylie Kelsey was Travis and Jason's sister. And here's what happened. So I was leaving a hotel. And I walk past this girl, and I'm like, oh, my God, that's Kylie Kelsey.

She's about five, six. And I say to Melissa, I'm like, I think that was Kylie Kelsey. She goes, no, no, no. She's tall. And I go right, because that family is tall. And I go about my life thinking that that's their sister who has a podcast. That's so disrespectful towards another podcaster. I don't think so, honey, me.

I need to know this. Like pop culture is supposed to be something I know about. And something I should know about other podcasts. Just Kylie, I'm sorry, I disrespectful. then please come on the pod i have so many thoughts first of all the fact that you said my name one time humbling experience the fact that you said it multiple times is actually tripping me out you said my name what uh okay next i do appreciate that it was not that you think that we look like siblings. I don't think that that point was made anywhere in your minute of your

segment, which I can appreciate, because that would have freaked me out. I would have fit that. I love his desire to not disrespect to fellow podcaster if we're calling me that. I know that, to be clear, I know I have a podcast. I would not describe myself as a podcaster because I think that's insulting to other podcasters. I would love to go on Las Coltristas. Maybe we can have Bowen and Matt on NGL sometime. Maybe you guys want to come over here and chit-chat. I will say, I think if since Jennifer Lawrence is sitting in your guest seat, first of all, dragging her into the mess that is that segment with me involved, I'm so sorry. sorry to her that we that I that my name or any thoughts about me wasted your time I would like

this to end in an apology for me I don't think so honey me I don't think so honey that I should take up any space in your brain and I'm sorry that I wasted it also I would just like to point out that I to be fair say this all the time Kylie Kelsey not a great name. It's not a great name. So I do, I would just like to point out that you thought that I was given that name from birth, Kylie Kelsey. No. No. I'm a McDavit that fell face first into the Kelsey last name. So I swiped my way into that one. Oh God, that's bad. All right, that does it for Doom Scroll of the Week. Brought to you by Peloton. Moving on a brand new edition. of places Kylie has no business being recently. I had the pleasure of having absolutely no

business hosting a panel for Malala on her Finding My Way book tour stop in Philly. And it was tremendous. It was incredible. My initial reaction to hearing that Malala wanted me to moderate was disbelief. That's the easiest way to say it. I had some words about it. that, I mean, full disclosure, I said, are you fucking kidding me? You're kidding. You're joking. That's a joke. You're kidding me. I read Malala's first book. I am Malala when I was in college. Our school had a very deeply rooted emphasis on what they called engagement for the common good. And there was a lot of looking at international affairs and what was happening across the globe and different social justice issues so that we could find a deeper understanding

for them. And Malala was part of those conversations because of her emphasis on women in Arab countries seeking their education. And because of that, when I got the email asking if I would be interested, I could not compute that. So I said yes and then proceeded to get very, very nervous about making sure that I was going to live up to an expectation that I think comes along with. Malala's professionalism, her intelligence, her wit, all of it. And she was incredible. I'm so grateful to Malala. It was so amazing to meet her and her husband and her entire team. I'm so grateful that they thought that I was qualified to do this. It was incredible. And at the end of the day, we got her to say, go birds.

have an answer you could say. We got a chance to chat before we went out onto stage. And I did compliment her on her usage of green attire and then proceeded to tell her that if there was ever a lull or a question that was a little too open-ended, feel free to hit them with a go-birds. And you'll have them right back on your side. she didn't even need it obviously because every time someone asked a question she was right on it gave an outstanding response and we also closed out the show and the only way philly knows how

that's right bringing the people together it's beautiful what talk about unity you know bringing the people together and all of this uh like i said we got to spend time beforehand uh backstage um i did spend some of that time convincing her to come to an eagles game so now that she's said go birds and practiced an eagles chant i feel like she's a show in to be cheering on the birds with us and i love that uh thank you to malala and her team it was a truly memorable experience that I feel like I had no business participating in, but I am so incredibly grateful that I had that opportunity. So thank you, thank you, thank you.

Please check out Malala's new book, Finding My Way. It is definitely something you will not be able to put down. That's it for places Kylie has no business being. Coming up, Asia Wilson is joining me. But first, a couple messages from me about my favorite things, starting with Allie Pop. A lot of people ask me how I'm able to do this podcast. My new series, FAAFO, be a mom to four kids, a wife, a coach, an occasional panel moderator, EAF event organizer. And the answer is, guys, I don't know either. I genuinely have no idea what I'm doing. But what I do know is I cherish

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we go. She's the four-time WMBA League MVP, three-time champion, two-time finals MVP, seven-time All-Star, two-time gold medalist, and former WNBA rookie of the year. Her record-breaking signature shoe sold out in under five minutes. She's a cover star for Times 2025 Women of the Year, the Las Vegas Aces, all-time scoring leader, and now she's officially not going to lie. Asia Wilson, welcome to the show. Oh, my gosh. I am in the presence of greatness to a degree that I cannot explain.

this is incredible first of all thank you so much speaking of your sneakers these are stunning thank you yeah I do I am going to show the shoot

because I I'm very excited like are you kidding me are you kidding look at that oh yeah the candy corn thank you so much for sending me some I will now make it my mission

to, I don't know, ball at all. Come on. You got it. I am, my dad tried really hard. He cemented the hoop in the backyard and everything. Oh, yeah. And I went the wrong direction. I went down instead of up. To be fair, I don't know that I'm cool enough to play basketball. Well, you have A1s now, so you are definitely cool enough. Now I'm going to try. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Now I can ball. Yeah, for sure. I'm reading for you.

I might need you to offer some tips. it's okay because because as many times as my dad told me to get my hands up I shot from my chest every time so there's that we can work on that we're good we can work that's that's an easy fix honestly done that's easy I do think I might be decent at defense okay that's what wins games and I love defense because that was my position in hockey field hockey I was I was deep day So defense, I have deep roots in. I think I could just get my hands up. That's it.

And stick with them. Oh, yeah, we're good. We're in there. That's perfect. Like, you had me scared for a moment. You're good. No, I'm in. I'm five, I'm almost six feet tall.

I'm 511. Okay, you're checking out the boxes for me. I'm sold. All you need it was shoes and you got them, so we're good. Thank you. Now, Dawn Staley, your former coach in South Carolina, came on this show a couple months ago and said that you were and I quote, the best player in the world.

And I've been so excited to talk to you about that. How do you react when you see quotes like that from Dawn? I mean, from her, it's like an eye-opener because Coach Daly really picks and choose when she wants to give compliments. So I have to really like take them with As I Gran of Salt because they don't really come often a lot. She's normally just giving me the criticism that I need to fuel me. But that just means a lot, honestly. Like Coach Daly believed in me when no one else did, when I didn't. She sat in gyms and just watched a little girl that didn't know how to play basketball, just love the sport and love being around her teammates.

So it's pretty cool to just like have her say those things because she literally helped mold me into the best player ever in the world. And so it's pretty a big moment for us to share. I think she doesn't understand how much she has been a vital piece into how I am and who I am as a player. So I'm grateful to just hear her say those things because I know I got on her nerves a lot. for four years. So it's pretty cool. I talked to her about doing TikToks with her players now.

Does that surprise you? Yes, because she's, no, she's gotten soft. It's ridiculous how soft she's gotten because, one, when we were in school, we couldn't have phones on game days. We couldn't, like, we had to literally spend a whole day without our phone, like, go to classes, like live a normal life without a phone.

Like, excuse me? We couldn't have social media. Did I remember her calling me Charmin? because she was like, oh, you're just soft. Like, SEC needs to rough you up. And I'm like, now you're Charmin. These kids got you doing TikToks. You're dancing.

She's wiggling those knees of hers. Like, I'm just like, who are you? Like, who is this lady? So, yeah, she's gotten a little soft around the edges. And she always like, oh, I'm from North Philly. Like, I don't cry. I don't do any of this. And then I look on my phone and I'm like, look at her crying on national television.

Hmm. So, yeah, she's Charming now. She's the new Sherman. Now, as a lifelong Philadelphia resident. I did also talk to Dawn about the WMBA team in Philly, which we are, of course, getting 2030. So I have five years to do this, but I'm going to start right now. How can I recruit you to Philadelphia? Okay. Yeah. Going to have to plug my agent here. Sure, perfect. You just give me some time. I mean, the city is beautiful. Yeah, we have so much time. That's always a plus. But,

Yeah, let me get the wheels turn in a little bit. Perfect. And we can maybe reconsider some things. It's a fight with Vegas, though. You're, that's good luck with that. That's a fight I actually don't want to get into. Yeah, that's a scary fight right there. I don't know.

It does worry me a little bit. But I will tell you just so that I can set the scene for you, our food scene, outstanding. Okay. Am I coming in? I will tell you, the passion from fans in Philadelphia is unmatched. Yeah, I've seen. And that's, it's different. It's very different.

It's, I will say, on the receiving end from visiting teams, negative feedback. From people who have joined us. 10 out of 10. Big fans. They're big fans of our fans. Okay. Yeah. We pour it all into it.

We really, we love, love people who ride for us. Yes. Well, I love that part of the W team that's coming here. Yeah. No, we will be so in. And I'm going to play the long game here. to get the best in the world to Philadelphia. So I will revisit this topic.

I'm going to see if I can't connect with Dawn on this. We could get you in an Eagles jersey. I'm just saying. Okay, yeah. And if I don't, at least I'm going there to play. So I'll at least be there once or twice a year. Yeah. I don't know if they're like me, but it's okay.

No, no, I'm sorry. Let me get ahead of that right now because it's not good. It's actually very bad. Oh, okay. Yep. We can work through it. And I say that. that being one of them.

Well, for now, you're in Vegas with the Aces. Yes. So I will respect that. And I saw you recently celebrated the championship win. Yes. I tagged along to an Eagle Super Bowl parade. So I've seen some of this stuff up close. How rowdy did it get on that bus?

Ooh. Okay. Yeah. It got really rowdy only because our bus driver was like going 70 miles per hour. Oh. Unless I was up there dreaming. but we were zooming through that parade, like zooming. And so we were really like, try to turn up, but also scared for our lives.

Because, like, I'm having the trophy in my hand. I got my Thanos glove. Like, we're trying to look good. Like, you know, we turn it up. All of a sudden, it's like, zoom, like, weird, worn it downtown. Like, our bus driver was like, ooh, I love the Aces. Zoom. I was like, whoa, we want to still be the Aces, honey, when we get off.

I would like to just reference an outstanding super cut of you at your championship press conference. Should we roll the clip, Queen Emma? This really didn't now, guys. Right here.

Let's reel it in. 23, go on the run, go back to back. Nancy Arbor, USA Today, sports. This is for Becky and for Chelsea. These are the ones that stuck. So, oh, that burp.

Hi, this question is for Chelsea. You get one off The parade is October 17th Friday Looking forward to it I don't know who I want to see it I'm cool Yeah Beyonce would be great

Up the bottom That's in the Okay I have so many questions Me too Do you remember sitting at this press conference first of all.

Yes. Perfect. Yes. I do. Okay. Now, did I hear correctly someone at the beginning saying, let's get it together? Yeah, me. Yeah, that was something that I didn't do was get it together.

And it's crazy because before every championship parade, I mean, press conference, Chelsea will pull me aside and be like, Aisha, let's lock in. And I'm like, I got you. Like, bro, I got you. professionalism at his finest right here because like I've learned I've learned from the other press conference first press conference cut me some slap never been there before I was lit yeah second back to back never did it before give me some slack this one I said all right let me tighten up but my eyes were not saying that so Chelsea was like put your goggles on when no one's talking to you

and I said you're right so in my mind I was like yeah I'm like when I put these goggles on they do not see me like the camera was supposed to pan like to someone else but it didn't it stayed on me and I'm like that's not what I asked for do you think it had anything to do with the tambourine the tambourine was just it did the speaking it was supposed to speak for me once again I was not I was off the work at this the only thing that would have made that better if you started checking behind yourself to be like what are you guys looking at What is it? Who's back there?

I'm not here. I am invisible. It was outstanding. You did amazing. Thank you. I'm glad I got it together. The only thing that'll make it better is when you go for four and somehow top yourself. Somehow, it never failed.

If you could please, I'm just going to float this one out there, I'm going to knock on wood because I'm a very superstitious person. I don't want to jinx you. going on your mission. Thank you. We'll leave it that broad. I think the tambourine is the perfect segue to a full drum set. I'm just going to throw it out there. I think if someone wheels you in a drum set, that that would be outstanding.

Yeah, I like that. I like, I actually like it. Consider it. A new instrument every time. We can manifest it. I just think you need to go bigger, bigger. I think the tambourine did enough. No, I think it did.

No, no, no, no. I think it was perfect. But if you guys go for four and you do it, I just think it was the perfect lean into a drum set. A full drum set. I like that idea. Just consider it. Just consider it. Yeah. If anyone needs help getting that taken care of, I will volunteer. Yes. Perfect. We know where to got. We got to. We're here. I just can't wait for someone to be like, who is that woman wheeling in a drum set? It's going to be me. It will be me. I'll be wear your goggles no one will know you're there. Perfect. That's the ticket. My invisibility cloak goggles. No one will know you brought it in.

They're like this into this. Who's pushing these drums? Wow, those drums are moving by themselves. That's perfect. I'm doing it. Please do that. Let's do it. And since we're playing clips, I just saw your dance in Jennifer Hudson's Spirit Tunnel.

Oh, yeah. South Carolina. Come on and raise up. Spirit tunnel. Mm-hmm. Because we got Asian Wales South Carolina

at your money raised Yes You know what Because she's the best Over you NBA South Carolina

Out of money raised Yes You killed that Thank you You really did Thank you That's

That's the first point Second point I cannot get over How many comments Are people shocked about you being tall Yeah

I didn't get that either I'm like People not understand, one, what I do for a living. Guys, do you not understand basketball? Hmm. Do you, are people often surprised at how tall you are? Yes, I actually get that, like, a lot.

Like, when I take pictures of people, they're like, whoa, you're tall. And I'm like, did you think I was going to be your height? Like, did you think I was going to be, especially like, men. Did you think I was going to be this good? Yeah, and they're like, whoa, you are tall. And it's like... Yeah. Like, it's very much...

House of weather down there. Like, yeah, what did you think? So, yeah, I'm always very shocked at how people are shocked that I'm tall. And I'm just like, do I not give tall? Because I feel like I give tall. Like, when you see me play, I don't. It's not small. For sure.

So I'm kind of like, what did you guys think I was five, six? I will say, I am frequently... I am within that interaction of I step to someone, like next to someone, and they do the same. You're taller than I thought. Yeah. And I'm like, I actually talk about being tall all the time. Right. Literally all the time.

I can't tell you how many times I've talked about that whenever I put on a pair of pants, it looks like a flood's coming. Hello. I yell it from the rooftops. Yeah. And still, people are like, wow. Right. Huh. It's so weird.

I'm like, you can literally Google my height and it's going to tell you. It's not going to lie. Now, I'd love to talk to you more about your legendary career. You just won defensive player the year. Yes, yes. So I think it's safe to say you can probably defend anyone, but who would you say is the toughest player to go up against? Ooh, toughest player to go up against?

I'm going to always say Brianna Stewart. I'm always say Stewie, only because. stooie's just she's a three-level score and the way that she plays the game is so tough to to read because she's that skillful and so sometimes when I'm thinking about just how to guard her how to make it hard for her because some players you're like okay force it to their bad hand you can live with it but stewie is completely different like you really have to be able to know how and when she's going to score the basketball and that's super super tough but I love it I really love compete against Stew because every time we play against each other, it is like Blopbuster.

They're like some elite basketball that you're watching. And she makes me think every possession. And I love that because sometimes I get bored midgame just because of just the person that I am. I just get bored easily. But sometimes when you're guarding Stewie, you have to keep your head on the swivel because she's very guardlock. Yeah. Yeah. She's very guardlike. But then also she's tall. So yeah, it's a, you get the best of both worlds. Okay. We'll add her to the list of recruiting. Wouldn't that be fun if you guys could play together

and you don't have to go up against her? I'm just going to throw that one out there again. Just circling back a little. Yep. Is there a team or player besides Stewie that you feel you personally have done the most game planning for?

I'm trying to think of all the teams. I would say we always do a lot of game planning for the Seattle Storm. That's a team that we're always pretty even with. Like we're always going to see them in playoffs, like no matter what. I feel like we run into them every single year. And then throughout the regular season, it's never really a butt cut an ass whipping.

They probably whipped our ass. I know they whipped our ass once. But it's always like just constant, just budding of the heads every single year. It doesn't matter what roster that is there. It's always something. So I think we have to prep extra hard for them. And I think they're also a team that really has like three guards. in two posts like they really play the or like the structure the the basketball structure like

always the same way and they're really good and they have bets at each position so i would say prepping for them is always like very tough well real ones somehow it's already mid-november and even though i don't start decorating for the holidays until after thanksgiving i do sometimes start shopping for the girls earlier and this year i've got a secret weapon for hiding their presence the trunk of my Toyota Sienna. I'm telling you, this thing goes on forever. And the best part is, is that it's deep, which means you can hide the stuff in the bottom.

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the A1s, sold out in under five minutes. see it. Five minutes. What was your initial reaction to hearing that? It's crazy because I tried to sleep through, like, I wanted to sleep through the alarm. Like, I didn't set an alarm that day. I was like, I don't want to wake up when the shoe drops. I don't want to see anything about it. And so I purposely, like, just slept. I just was like, I'm sleeping. I'm sleeping. And then finally I, like, woke up and it was sold out. Of course, I woke up like four minutes after the shoe drop, just because I couldn't stand to sleep in. And when I saw it, I, I literally just started crying only because I couldn't believe it.

Like, this was something I could honestly say the A1 was one of the most anticipating shoes that we've seen in a long, long time. And we had pop-ups like all over the country and like people were camping out and waking up early, early, like just to get in line. So he gave you the old school like, I need to get this shoe type of feel. But when it got online for everyone to really buy, I was so nervous. And so when it sold out, I was just, like, bawling, crying because I could not believe that, like, finally this shoe is sure with the world. Like, finally, everyone can see why it took so long and why we had to work so hard and kept it so close-knit. But, yeah, I was in tears because I just could not believe that people wanted the A-1, which is crazy. But, like, it's just that feel that you get.

It's so funny because it's not even that people wanted it. It's that people were so excited to get it. that they did exactly what you're saying, the old school shoe drop. Like, I need to be there, like, lying around the block situation. Yes, yes. That's five minutes is, like, that's insane. Like, I literally, like, I really was just like, there's no way. Like, there's just no way.

And then also for me, because pink is my favorite color. Obviously, that's why the first shoe is pink. But I was very worried about, like, is the consumer going to like pink? Are they going to buy pink? Is it just going to be women? Like, are they going to know that this is a shoe for everybody? So there were like a bunch of things going off in my mind to where like my parents had to say, Asia, just please calm down. Like no one's thinking about what you're thinking right now.

Like they're just, they're going to want to buy the shoe because they want to buy the shoe, point blank. Yes. And like, I had to realize that. And then once I got over that, I was like, oh, they do want a pink shoe. I was like, yes, we painted the town pink. Now, speaking of the pink shoe, one of the, uh, one of the, uh, amazing images that I saw of other players wearing the A-1s was BAM. Yeah.

He wore them in a game back in February before the A-1's official release. What did it feel like to be able to see not only your shoe? Yeah. Yeah. But also having the support of someone like that, what did that feel like? It was amazing. Like it was a feeling that it didn't really hit me. until I went to the game

and I saw him in them because I gave him the shoe a couple of days before and I don't ever pressure BAMT I'm not like wear these on this day and rock them like I never do that

I'm like do your own thing like thank you for even having them obviously but just do your thing so I didn't know he was going to wear him that game so when I got to the arena and see him warm up I was just like oh my God like it just it kind of shook my heart a little bit

because I'm just like dang these shoes aren't even out and the first person to wear them is my boyfriend, like the first person that has really, like, playing in them and, like, on the NBA platform, like, this is huge. And, I mean, he's sat in on meetings. He's been with me every step of the way. So he's a piece of the journey as well.

So for him to kind of get a chance to wear it and rock it, obviously it made my heart so happy. Like, his support is unwavering. Like, it's incredible the way that he can constantly show up for me in the midst of everything that he has going on. So it was super cool. I was like, dang, like, my shoes on an NBA court. Like, he got to wear it before me.

That was when I was a little salty, but I was like, hey, if anyone, if anyone, it can be. If anyone gets a free pass here, that's fine, you can have it. It'll be. Because I was like, you're wearing them before me. Like, I don't know how I feel about that. And he was like, oh, you know, sorry. Like, no, but he was trying to play it off knowing, probably knowing he was like, I'm wearing these tomorrow. So, yeah, it was pretty cool.

That's incredible. Now, I talked about this recently, but I think relationships between athletes feel like safe space. And I will say this as in like me calling myself an athlete to you is a very generous take. So just let's throw that one out there. But I being with my husband and enjoying like athletics together, enjoying athletic separately, understanding like being coachable and working with a team and all the things that go into like team sport and being. being an athlete. Do you find that in your own relationship? Yes, absolutely. I think it just, it's so, like, rewarding that after a game or just when you're going through like slumps in your season that you know that your partner fully understands it, like 100%. There's times

where after a game, I just sit in the car and Bam's just like, I know. And it's like just sometimes, like, just to hear that, you're like, oh my God, thank you. Like, I don't have to explain myself or I don't have to show up and just be your girlfriend right here on the spot. Like you understand that it's tough right now. It's hard right now. And I may not, I may can't put into words, but you know exactly what I mean. And I think that is the beautiful thing with our relationship is just like, they're just the, I know. Like I get you. I've been in these moments on my own platform, but now like for you, I definitely know the feeling. And it doesn't get like talked about enough, obviously, because we don't really share that out loud. But like those moments

just athlete the athlete versus just, and it can be boyfriend, girlfriend, but athlete the athlete is kind of like you're sitting in your own personal locker room and you can just constantly just bounce stuff off. And then would be the first person to say, girl, you tripping. Like you, you're tripping. That ain't got nothing to do with what you're talking about. Like that's on you. And sometimes I need to hear that. A lot of times I need to hear that. So it's pretty cool to have that relationship. Now, the other thing, the other side of being with an athlete is the competitive nature. Do you guys find that you compete?

Every day, all day. Like, it is sickening. It's more fun that way. It is. I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to go to this. I'm just trying to go to the refrigerator. And so, yeah, it is very competitive. It is actually scary how competitive it is because we do escape rooms and are like off

just because we just like to keep the wheels going. And sometimes I'm like, hey, bam, we're on the same team. So, like, I get that you found that hit first, but we're on the same team, dude. Like, it's okay. We're both trying to get out of here. So, and then here I go, I'm like, all right, but he found that clue. Let me go find one before him. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm doing it, Asia.

I'm like, real it. Come on. So, yeah, it's very competitive. Very competitive. Is there something in particular that you guys are, like, regularly competitive about I'll have to say we have our Nintendo switches that we play pretty often

and we play the Mario Kart racing game and when I tell you that dictates what type of day we're having it dictates today like I know sometimes BAM's like let her win because I'm just trying to get through today like I'm just trying to get through that

trying to have an easy one today let her have it and I think that's what we kind of do on a normal basis, it's just little games just like that that I'm like, yeah, this is... My husband and I, I don't know if you've ever played Settlers of Catan. Oh, no, it sounds good. It's a board game.

It's... And there's a... You can play a version on your phone. We're not allowed to play that anymore. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it. I get it. We're not allowed. I get it.

I get it. I mean, I used to play dominoes on our phone. And it's like, I had to just delete it. I'm like, let's just give it up. Yeah, there's a robber in the game that you can, like, put on someone's space so that they no longer get to, like, get points, we'll say, or, like, resources. That shit would piss me off. Like, it was like, he would hand the phone back and he wouldn't look at me. And I'd be like, you motherfuck.

You already know what happened. You're like, ooh. Uh-huh. He wouldn't look at me. He would just go like this and pass it sideways. And I'd be like, did you? Yeah. Oh, we're not allowed to.

We're legitimately not allowed to play anymore. I get it. I get it. It's bad. Yeah. It's not good. But it's okay. It's what makes the relationship great.

I mean, I feel like the competitiveness is like what thrives the most in our relationship. It keeps us on our toes. Because I'm like, I'm not going down without a fight. You didn't lose. We're just going to play those game. No, it's, it adds a little spark. It does. Very quickly.

Circling back to the W because the league. is growing so much. It's also bringing a lot more revenue. Oh, yeah. And something I did cover on the show previously was you and all the WMBA All-Stars making a statement with the pay us what you owe us T-Shed. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. I did mention when we talked about this on the show, big F-A-F-O energy. And if you don't know what that is, is fuck around and find out. It's fuck around and find out energy. I like it. That's allowing people who have fucked around. Yeah. indeed find out. We love that for them. We love that. Absolutely. You've said it before the players are standing on business, which I also love. For anyone who isn't up to speed, can you explain in

basic terms what the players want to see accomplished? Yeah, I think the biggest thing that we're trying to see accomplishes, like you said, this has been a big year for us, a big last couple years for the W. And I think when you looking at social or anything, it's just like, okay, the value is going up. Everything's going up. I mean, we get these TV deals. And so when you're thinking about that, you're like, okay, let's talk revenue share. Let's talk about that and how we can implement into our salaries. Because when you look around and you think about businesses, the biggest thing is the revenue share. Like if this is going up, the players and the product is going up and we're showing up every single day, our wallet should be doing the same. And so when you're talking about just seeing that, I think the league is growing. And so for us, we have to sustain that by just getting equitable compensation. And I think that is so, key. And that's what we're really just talking about is making sure that we're just united and understanding and letting the league understand that we're not going anywhere. We've earned everything that we have been fighting for. We are valuable. And we're going to continue to show up as

that as that. And I think that is what makes our league so powerful is that we know the power of our voice and our platform. And we're not going to stop until we get what we deserve. But to see it and then to hear what they're saying and it doesn't add up, think that's what's going to continue for us to not back down because we see a lot of things going on in the talks of our league and other leagues they're growing. And it's like, well, if they see that we're worth the book, why can our own league see it? And so it's going to take time, as we know, and it is taking time right now. But we're going to continue to stand on business for what we believe in and what we deserve. Now, what's the biggest misconception you often

hear about this whole conversation? Oh, that we just want to get paid like the guys. I hate when people say that. And granted, I'm not a numbers girl. I'm not at all. I'm far from that. But I think the biggest thing is just meeting the fair agreement of what we are discussing. It's never what the MBA is doing. It's never, oh, we want to pay them what they got. No, we understand that that's not how the business works. But we also understand that we're missing within our own business. The revenue share is missing in our own business and in our own checks. So I think people need to stop thinking about that way. And just think more so of like, okay, yes, they are saying pay them what they deserve and what you owe.

I think it's so important to not only stand up for this change for you guys, but also it's showing young women that as a unit of the women representing the W that you guys are able to say, no, we're, we're, we're not going to accept less. I think it's crazy that the reports are coming out to show, like you said, the TV deals and the different things that are coming in at a significantly higher level, exponentially higher level than they have been in the past with the previous deal. And so to see that they're not willing to increase those percentages for you guys is absolutely insane. Yeah. And it is. And I think also people don't understand it's like we're working to get a CPA that's not just necessarily for the ones that are planning in now. We're talking about the ones that are coming after us, like making sure that they have, they don't have to go through what we're

going through. And I think people don't understand that. And yes, we talk about salary, but at the same time, just having a good workspace to play in. Like, a lot of teams don't even have practice facilities. And it's just like, I'm blessed enough. Oh, my goodness. I know I'm blessed enough to have an owner and a franchise that are really player forward. They're like, what do they need? And We were the first, yeah, I think we were one of the first WMBA teams to have a practice facility. And people wonder, oh, well, what makes the ACEs great? And why are they so great? And why are they constantly in the conversations?

Because we have exactly what we need. And we don't have to come into work thinking and wondering, oh, is this going to work? Or what, now I have to drive and share this court with people. Like, no, like we don't have that problem. And so now it's kind of like making others owners or anyone else, like put your money where your mouth is and give us what we need. Not, yes, what we deserve, but what we need. And so, yeah, we, there's a lot of work that needs to be done.

But, yeah, I think that's what people really also don't understand is, like, yes, we're fighting now, but it's not just fighting for us. And I'm my check. I'm fighting for the young athletes that's coming up behind me. I also think that's so important to acknowledge the fact that the leadership that have the ability to maybe make sure that there is a. specific practice facility or to make sure that the players have everything that they need that they have bought into the W in a way that they have put a level of importance, right,

on this league and the women in it. And so it is exactly what you're saying. Put the money where your mouth is. Support these athletes the way that you as ownership or as leadership in this league should be prioritizing the athletes absolutely 100% agree i cannot thank you enough for coming on it has been an absolute pleasure to get to talk to you and i always like to say this to women who are paving the way i with someone as someone who has four daughters in their house i am so grateful that they have someone like you to look up to and to see how hard you are working your

drive your dedication to your sport, the way that you sort of present yourself, even when it's having fun in a press conference. I love that those are the examples that my girls have out in the world. So I really appreciate you and everything that you're doing. Thank you so much. You're amazing too. Like you are unapologetically you and we need a lot more women like that in this world to not be afraid to be that way. And honestly, every video I see of you, I'm like, that's right. Like I can't help myself. I'm like, that's right. Like, stand on it. So I'm a huge fan and I can't thank you enough for just being you. Like, I love that. Like, you are truly you and we don't see a lot of people being that in these faces. So thank you so much. No, thank you. And I can't wait to see you in

Philly. Hopefully it's representing them, but you never know. At least you know we'll be, I'll be there. Whether I'm on that side or not, at least I'm there in the summer. And I apologize ahead of time. Exactly. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Asia on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode.

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