Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & Avril Lavigne on Sk8er Boi Movie, Kelce Party of 6 & The Most Suspicious Child | Ep. 20

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

Kylie is officially back from maternity leave and has so much to catch you up on in a brand new episode brought to you by Lululemon! But before she gets real about being a mother of four, Kylie runs through a few NGL ground rules, most notably… if you f*ck around, you will indeed find out (1:50). Then, in her latest installment of “Can I Be Honest?” Kylie recaps her maternity leave experience (6:10). Kylie shares how her older daughters are adjusting to baby Finn (8:28), the biggest difference of going from three kids to four and if Finn still looks just like Jason (11:15). After that, Kylie debuts a new segment: Places Kylie Has *Some* Business Being and talks about the Kelce family’s second official outing as a family of 6 at the Eagles Autism Challenge (12:12). And in a brand new edition of “Doomscroll of the Week” Kylie finds out exactly how “cringe” she is according to the millennial trends Gen Z has determined to be very uncool (14:50). Spoiler alert… there’s nothing wrong with the crying laughing emoji! Next, Kylie is joined by punk rock icon behind  triple platinum hits like “Complicated” and “Sk8er Boi” Avril Lavigne right from her Greatest Hits tour bus (21:10). Kylie and Avril talk about fans copying her style in the early 2000s down to the neckties, spiked wristbands and vans (23:10).  Kylie also asks Avril about how punk rock Philly is and what the weirdest thing she’s ever signed was (29:10)! Avril then gets into her performance with Shania Twain when she was 14 and who she’d love to do a duet with (35:09). Lastly, Kylie has Avril play a round of “Is It True” and Avril talks about some online rumors like if there’s actually a Sk8er Boi movie in the works and if it’s true she got banned from TRL (38:15). Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Avril Lavigne!  . . . Support the Show:   Lululemon: Shop the new Align No Line™ Pant at ⁠lululemon.com⁠ See Avril Lavigne on her Greatest Hits Tour! ⁠https://avrillavigne.com/⁠ Check out Avril’s new song with Simple Plan: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRX3Gm-YPRY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm not going to lie. I definitely have a, yup, there it is, a diaper in my bra because sometimes you don't want a milk stain on your shirt. Yeah, that's really it. Let's record this podcast. Welcome back to not gonna lie. A wave original brought to you by Lulu Lemon. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I have four daughters ages five and under. I have a husband that played in the NFL and I've been waiting two months to say these words so please listen carefully.

We back. That's right. I'm officially back from maternity leave. I am unsure whether or not my eyes are open right now and we're going to find out if I can still form a sentence. We're in this together. Okay. Coming up on today's episode, I have a lot to catch you guys up on from the past eight weeks. So I'm going to get honest about life as a family of six. That still sounds fucking crazy in a brand new edition of Can I Be Honest? And then I'm going to be joined by a punk rock icon right from her tour bus, the sensation behind hits like Complicated and Skater Boy and someone I have no business speaking to Avril Lavigne.

But before I get to any of that, it's been a while since I put out an episode, so I thought I'd quickly run through some ground rules I just made up as a little refresher on what we do around here. Rule number one, this goes for this podcast and it also just goes for my life in general. If you fuck around, you will in fact find out. Yes, it's very simple. You fuck around, you will in fact find out. Yes, it's very simple. You fuck around, you find out. Your actions, words, whatever you want to say, have consequences. You know we're learning that in our house.

I got a five, a four and a two year old that have enough sass for a whole high school. Okay? Fuck around, find out. So simple. Rule number two. These episodes are 45 minutes long except for special occasions when Queen Emma asked me several times and I got to respect the hustle. That's so fucking bullshit. Queen Emma tried to sneak that one in here. There's a reason we put out bonus clips on more shit Monday. I know that we record for longer than 45 minutes and I know there's great content in some of

the stuff that we can't squeeze into the 45 minute limit. But I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm sticking to it. Note from the desk of Queen Emma. Oh boy. Hey girl. Nope you're done. While we're here, thoughts on going to 60 minutes today? No worries if not, but also there's a lot to talk about and it's Avril.

Also unrelated, but what if I bring back oh oh oh here she goes with bribery but what if I bring over a Wegmans chocolate cake? You're the real queen okay ttyl chica no anyway rule number three swear to your heart's content. That's right. Just drop the F-bomb for funsies. I love it so much. And honestly, it helps you put emphasis on the words coming out of your mouth.

Now I realize that not everyone loves this rule. We've got some comments here from a few disgruntled listeners. Someone commented, so period, much period, swearing, period. I understand she loves the F word, but wow. I understand that cursing is not for everyone. I really do understand that, but it's the way I speak. There are certain times where I turn it off. This podcast is not one of them. The next comment says she does absolutely does. Not correct.

Try again. Too much. T-O. Also incorrect. You need an extra O there just to be clear. The point you were trying to make is that I'm too much. An excess. T-O-O.

Small thing. Cursing on her podcast. podcast ooh you got that one right it's her podcast interesting that's so interesting um that's just uncalled for a woman excuse me that's just uncalled for a woman That's just uncalled for a woman. So if a man were, if a man were doing it, it'd be okay to throw the bomb. Wow. No respect for others. Shame.

Actually I try to put an emphasis on how we should care about others, but you came in here with this bullshit and you know what? We're going to have to revert back to rule one. You fucked around. You're about to find out. Oh, we can't use any of those rule number four. This is not going to lie. So you guessed it. No lies are permitted. Uh, I am always going to be honest with you. If I cannot say something and be honest about it, I just won't say it. And that's it for Not Going to Lie Ground Rules. I'm sure my mom brain missed something. Let us know in the comments or at NGL with Kylie and I'll probably read them at 2am tonight

when I'm feeding Finn. And speaking of Finn, I'd like to take a few minutes to catch you guys up on my life as a mother of four children. Oh God, that's right. Four. This is, can I be honest about my maternity leave? First of all, I just want to get ahead of something. Maternity leave is not a break or a vacation.

That is a crazy concept. Do you think I was just kicking up my feet and laying in the sun out by the pool and chilling without a care in the world? Because you'd be wrong. I birthed a child who prefers contact naps. That's right. I got another Wyatt sleeper. We love that. Um, it, I have been attached to the tiny human for the last eight weeks. My arm, specifically my right arm is per permanently,

just permanently in this position, claw included, this position. I am going to have the sickest bicep on the side. It's just raging. We've been attached. Maternity leave for me is figuring out how to do things one handed again, that is a skill that you have to master. We have graduated to having her wrapped onto me for no exaggeration, probably anywhere from three to five hours of the day collectively, which is interesting. I will say since it is my fourth child, I am really doing my best to soak in all of the baby, like her cute little like coos and noises. I will say it's almost as bad as Googling on your fourth kid when you start scrolling back in your camera roll to see what your other children were doing at this age. It's a bad idea. It's not a

good idea. And I would like to stop doing it, but I can't. And in case you were wondering, I am still Googling things because that doesn't stop either. It's similar to when people say to me, well, you have four kids. What's your advice? No, I don't have any advice. I actually still have no idea what I'm doing. If I had to describe the change going from three kids to four kids in two words or less. Holy shit. It's not terrible. Let's go with not terrible. That sounds better. Not terrible. Those are my two words. If you ask me on a day where she does a two hour stretch night, I could do it in one word and that word would be fuck. and that word would be fuck. We're winging it. We are absolutely winging it. There's a lot of, can you bring that to me instead of me having to come to you? Because once

we're stationary, it's so much easier to be stationary. I will also sit on the floor a lot. That's very helpful because it gives the other girls an opportunity to come and sit with me to get closer to Finn in a safe way because wow, they are very interested in what she's doing. And Benny is the only one who's not interested in what she's doing and likes to pretend like she's not there. It's a fun little game we're playing today. Just today, I put Finn down on the floor to change her diaper. And for some reason, Benny stood up and ran straight at me full speed and I had to put my hand out. Of course, I was ready for it. We've done this a couple of times now.

I was ready for it. We've done this a couple of times now. And that's part of the reason why we're stuck here. That's because if I put her down, I can't guarantee safety the way I can if she is elevated out of reach of Bennett. So Wyatt and Ellie have been super helpful. They will go and get me diapers. They want to talk to her. She very much locks in on their faces and is distracted from an upset moment by their voices and by how close they get, which is one of the cutest things you've ever seen in your whole life. It's very sweet to see them mirror what you do with the baby. So they will come over and mirror how I talk to her. They ask her questions. They make the oohs and the ahs

so that she can sort of mimic the mouth movements, or at least we pretend she does. I mean, guys, she's seven weeks old. She's, we're, eat, sleep, poop, cry. That's it, that's what we got. That's her four activities. Finn is every single day changing her look. I can't necessarily say that she still looks as aggressively like Jason. Um, but the Kelsey jeans are strong guys. I, I made Kelsey women.

I don't know. There's very little McDevitt Jean coming through and that's okay because it turns out my husband makes very cute girls. But I would like a little credit, just a little credit when you look at them. Just like, maybe she did build them. When you look at them, just like, maybe, maybe she did build them. I'm not going to get it. It's fine. And that does it for, can I be honest about maternity leave? Next up, the debut of a brand new segment we're calling Places Kylie Has Some Business Being.

Most of the time I have absolutely no business being in the places I go. It really is astonishing the number of places I've been that I cannot figure the fuck out why I was there or how I ended up there, but it was pretty cool. But occasionally I can admit, I attend events that I do belong at. For example, sometimes I go to events for the organization I work with.

I definitely belong there. Last week, all six of us, Kelsey's, good God, every time I say it, went to the Eagles Autism Challenge. It was our first official outing of a party of six, except for brunch on Mother's Day. That was the other time. I was like, I know that we've left the house, everybody. I know I packed up the car and everybody went,

but when was it? It was Mother's Day brunch. That's the only other time we've left the house is a party of six. This year's event raised over $10 million. That one event, $10 million for the Ego Eagles Autism Foundation. There was a video going around from the event that the Eagles shared with the caption, Bennett

Kelsey's second meeting with Swoop went a lot better than last time. Queen Emma rolled the clip. So she's checking out Swoop and she finally gives him a wave, which is a big deal. What I will say is, and you can witness it throughout that entire video, she's my most suspicious child. She's suspicious of everyone and everything and she will side eye you and she will eventually soften. But she's going to give you the side eye first, probably a little bit of a squint,

like a, and then decides whether or not you're cool. I will say, this is a perfect time. Eagles Autism Challenge for this year is over, but you know what's coming. That's right. Shorebirds, it's year five of guest bartending for Jason and a number of his teammates, both current Eagles players and former Eagles players will be guest bartending. Every so often we end up with some other NFL players who are local to the Jersey Shore.

This year we may or may not be putting the ask out to some Jersey Shore. This year, we may or may not be putting the ask out to some other people. We never guarantee anything because I don't like to let people down. So you just gotta show up to see who comes and that's kind of fun. Moving on, I've mentioned it before. Doom scrolling takes on a life of its own

during the newborn phase because I need something to do while Finn is eating. You know, she's here, I'm here. And I occasionally will look down, but homegirl is usually half asleep. I'm not kidding, one eye open. And sometimes not even that while she's eating. And so I don't need all the people in here like,

that's the bonding time, you should be talking. We're fine, thank you. For this week's Doom Scroll of the Week, I most recently dusted off the old reading portion of my brain at 3 a.m. and found my way to an article from The Guardian titled, Cringe, How Millennials Became Uncool. Yikes.

And it basically just explains all the ways Gen Z likes to make fun of millennials. So let's find out exactly how cringe I am. Number one, low socks. I absolutely do this. I don't want to see my socks. I don't want to see them. They are low ridingriding socks.

Number two, skinny jeans or mom jeans. To be clear, any jeans I put on are mom jeans. So you can kiss my ass on that one. I do wear skinny jeans. I will say this. I haven't worn skinny jeans in a minute, but they're definitely still in my closet. So I'm waiting for the moment they come back and I hate to break it to you, they are. Cause I've seen some influencers wearing them. So ha, take that. And on another note about jeans, I would just like to share that Queen Emma once told me

about a postpartum jean hack that I don't know why it never crossed my mind, but on my fourth child, I've taken advantage of it. Don't put your maternity jeans away, ladies. Keep them out for as long as you need them after you push that baby out. Because I was at a shoot specifically for not gonna lie and I had just started having to hair tie my pants closed to still be able to fit in my jeans and Emma said, that's weird, I'm however many months postpartum she was, it wasn't that many, it really wasn't. Don't make that face Emma. Queen Emma said, look, I still have my maternity jeans on and I had a baby a couple of months ago and I ran with that. I have worn my maternity jeans recently in the past couple of weeks

and I will continue to do it until I can button back up my old jeans. Also, side note, not that we're not already on a hell of a rant here, just buy bigger pants. Number three, a love for avocado toast. Apparently, Gen Z's green grub of choice is matcha. I like matcha too, but avocado toast is banging. Healthy fats, guys. You can't crush on us for healthy fats. Number four, excessive use of the crying laughing emoji. Oh no.

I just, oh, I just texted someone back last night. Maybe six of them. That was it. That was the whole answer. Shit. It says, for a zoomer, the skull emoji indicates humor. I'm not dead. Okay. I'm not dead yet. And I am laughing with tears in my eyes. And you know what I like to do? Not lie and be accurate. So kick rocks. Number five, taking selfies using the front phone camera. I'm going to read you the description given so that the people, my fellow millennials can know what the heck they're talking about.

Gen Z favors the back camera and volume button using the 0.5 lens option to create a wide angled picture with the snapper's giant distorted arm protruding from the bottom of the frame. Also, if there are any millennials that have Gen Zers in their life that will come up to them and put their phone very close to either above their head or near their forehead. They're 0.5 in you. Okay. Don't let them do that. Don't let them get that close. Okay. Keep them at arm's length. Don't let them get that close to you. They're trying to 0.5 you. Do you know what it looks like when you get 0.5 from that angle. Ridiculous. To summarize this segment, I'm five for five on cringe. So yikes. Okay. That's it for doom scroll of the week. Avril Lavigne is coming up right after this message from a Philadelphia mom about Lululemon. As you can see, I'm back from maternity

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And now I'm talking to her from her greatest hits tour bus, Avril Lavigne, welcome to Not Gonna Lie. Hi, thank you so much for having me. It's good to meet you. No, thank you. Like I said in your intro, I legitimately went to the store to buy vans because I was like,

I don't think I'm edgy or cool enough to do any of the other trends you were doing at the time. But I was like, I feel like I can commit to a black pair of vans. Classic staple. That was as edgy as, that's it. It was as edgy as I could get. I was like, such a dweeb that I was like

this. So this I think this is as far as I can go and pull it off. And I don't even know if I was pulling it off. I'm sure you did. Did you? You're athletic. Did you? Did you ever skateboard? No, I tried a couple times at my friend's house and nearly ate shit. So I just, I said that enough of that. That's the thing about skateboarding. Like when you eat shit, you eat shit. Yes. Yes. When it goes right out from under you and like shoots very far down the street. Yeah. It also adds insult to injury that you usually end up chasing it. So like not only did you just land on your ass, you now have to run after it. You have to get up fast enough to run after it, you know?

I remember like skateboarding like off a set of at the grocery store by my high school offset of like five stairs, the board like landing vertically in between my legs and just like limping back to high school. I was like, that's the last time I tried to go upstairs. It'll humble you real quick. Now it wasn't just me copying your style. So many girls were dying streaks of their hair pink, wearing the spiked bracelets and neck ties, but no one could pull it off like you. Can

you explain why you are the only one that I've ever seen that can truly pull off a neck tie? Like it looks like you were meant to wear it. I don't know why I was doing it. Like I took a bunch of my dad's ties and I threw them on and I wore it in the video and it kind of just, I kept, I sort of do that. Like if I do one thing style wise like I kind of keep wearing it over and over I don't know I wasn't really thinking about it it's strange because like that was my introduction into the spotlight and so like a lot of people were talking about it but what was cool was like first show I played like this like little show the

Roxy in Canada in Vancouver and like I was in my dressing room and I looked down the the back alley and there was like a lineup of fans and they were all wearing neckties and I was like wait this is so crazy because like you don't you know you don't really think of anything like that happening, but everyone came dressed to the shows. They had like the stick straight hair and black eyes and the necktie and the spike bracelet. I was like, this is gnarly.

Is there anything from your wardrobe that you've considered bringing back from way back when? Well, I actually did for the greatest hits album shoot, which that record just came out like last year. I got the complicated music video tank top and tie out from storage and the skater boy green t-shirt and striped tie. And I put those back on 22 years later for that photo shoot. So that was, and they fit. So I was a little worried. That's incredible.

And they're slowly in good condition. So I made that, I brought those back out and wore those again for the photo shoot. I thought about like on the Greatest Hits tour, like maybe like bringing the tie back out on stage to wear. And then I was like, no, I can't do it yet. I can't do it yet. Maybe it'll come back around.

That'd be a really special moment. Speaking of your style, I've talked about on the show before, I always do my makeup literally right before we turn the camera off, hit record. I read that you're the same way that you do your own makeup.

I do. I'm really impatient. I have a really hard time sitting still. I get people to my hair and makeup, but a lot of the time I just take over and get in there to make it faster. Like today, I curled the front of my hair and then I had some day I'll tell but like I'll get in like I'm lining the eyes doing it all. I can do a black smokey eye look in two minutes. It's well practiced at this point. Like I could do it in the dark on a moving tour bus. You know, it's always been we're backstage and on the go. We're always kind of doing hair and makeup in like weird rooms, backstage dressing room, a moving bus. So I could, yeah, I like to do my makeup like super fast and in the dark.

Now on a day that you might not have a show, are you still doing a smokey eye or is it downtime so you're not doing any makeup? I'd say probably like a year ago. I was like, kind of started just getting into the, the no makeup makeup look. Yes. The like more just like a mascara and a lip gloss. But like on those days,

I do like to just take like a black eyeliner and maybe just at least go underneath and like smudge it so there's something. But I like if I had to choose one item of makeup, it would be mascara at this point probably. Do you have a holy grail? I'm always intrigued by this because I have one that I've used since high school. So the eyeliner, my holy grail is the Max Lilder. Like I can't, like I've from day one. That's such a perfect name

for the look that you're pulling off with it. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. That's easy to remember. And it's like, it's never, it hasn't changed. I've literally used it my whole life. So, you know. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Since I've been wearing makeup.

That's perfect. Yeah, what mascara do you use? The CoverGirl Orange Tube Lash Blast. It's, I refuse to use any other ones. I'm gonna, I'm just gonna keep rolling with it until they discontinue it. What's your makeup routine? Like are you foundation, eyebrows?

No. Usually I fill in the front of my eyebrows, put on some mascara and slap on some chapstick. That would be like I actually need to like see other people. And then I'll do like bare minerals if I need like some blurring, some bronzer, and that's really an elevated look. I'm terrible at makeup. I really should let someone else do it, honestly. Yeah. So you just kicked off the latest leg of your Greatest Hits Tour.

That's what you're currently on. You've got some huge shows coming up at MSG and Hershey Park. I was born and raised in Philadelphia and we luckily settled here. How punk rock is Philadelphia? Well, I would say like I'm kind of reppin right now with the hair. I did notice the green. So what's like, tell me a little bit about Philadelphia. Like, are there like, I'm assuming there's like a lot

of like pubs and beer drinkers, right? Yes, my husband being one of them. Oh my God. So I saw that you just signed a fan's tattoo portrait of you. What's the weirdest thing you've ever signed? Probably like- Body portrait. a boob. Now that I think of it, I was probably under age two.

I think, yeah, I've had a lot of meet and greets where the fans come to the meet and greet with like a huge tattoo. And then they're like, they asked me to sign their arm or to drop this skater boy star on them for a tattoo. And then the other night opening night, there was a fan front row with a giant sign saying, I have a huge portrait of you on my leg. Will you sign my legs so I can get a tattoo? So I was like, hell yeah.

I mean, if you're that committed, get on up here. It's after Memorial Day, which in my book officially means it's summer. And this is always the busiest time of year for us with trips to the shore, vacations, camps, field hockey. The list is endless. But luckily I rarely have to think about what I'm wearing to all of those things because just about every time it's my Lululemon high rise aligns. That's right.

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have you set for any occasion this summer. And it's all in that wonderful Align soft buttery fabric. Oh, I love that. Shop the Align collection right now at lululemon.com. It's the summer of Align. You have so many hit songs. Which one is your favorite one to perform live now? Yes, there's a lot of singles. Is it like picking your favorite child? Yeah, there's a lot of singles, a lot of hits. I love Girlfriend. It's like up tempo. It's really fun

to open with. I love closing the show right now without being in a new album cycle because I'm just playing all the older songs. I love closing with Skater Boy or opening with Skater Boy. songs. Like I love Closing with Skater Boy or Opening with Skater Boy. But then I love the ballad moment, Head Above Water and I'm With You, which are more like emotional songs. And then some of the... Oh, and then I just put out a Brandy song, Young and Dumb. So that's just like a fun, like little pop punk song with Simple Plan, cause they're out here on the tour with me. And they toured with me last year

on the last leg of the Greatest Hits tour. And I was like, why do we not have a song out together? Cause they come up and they perform with me every night on stage. So we just like a month, like last minute before we did this tour, I was like, guys, let's just write a song and throw it out, get it out there for the fans before we do this tour. So we went in the studio, wrote Young and Dumb, released it like a week ago, and now

we're playing it live. And they get out on the road with me two, in a couple of days. This tour around, I wanted to do some different stuff. So I have like some cover songs and I've released a few other songs this year with some other musical artists, like Nate Smith, he's a country artist. Do you like country music? I dabble, but only because my husband is far more eclectic in what he listens to.

He seems really funny. He's a great time. I saw a clip of him. I don't know. I think I like reposted it. I thought it was so funny. It was kind of random for me to repost them. And I posted on my Instagram story. But the one of the games he was like drinking, I think it was after his game. Like he was like drinking

in the stands, like beer and like partying. Yeah, that tracks. It all tracks. There's one, one picture in particular people love now he has both hands up like beer in his hand, a hat on, and like no shirt. And he was in Buffalo watching a game that his brother was playing in. That's the one I saw. Yes.

And I actually, like, it randomly popped up in my feed. And I like reposted it to Instagram Story. And I was like, this is hilarious. He's just, he marches to the beat of his own drum and it's so much fun to watch because you never really know what's going to happen. So he likes beer and country music. Yes. So back to the country music.

I, you probably wouldn't pin me as this kind of person, but I like drive an F-150 and I love country music. I grew up singing in the fairs, country music. And then I recently recorded a song with Nate Smith. He's this really great new country artist. He's just like blowing up his incredible songs. So I started performing our new song together, Dive from a Broken Heart. During this set here, I have a song with Billy Idol called 77 that just came out. So we're playing that.

And then I covered Pink Pony. So then, you know, with the second round of the tour, got like switched up a little bit. So we've been stripping it down, doing some like acoustic stuff and like brand new songs this time around. We love to speak things into existence on this show. So if you want to put out into the universe, if you could sing a duet with anyone, who would it be? It would be cool to go back to do a song with Shania Twain because just do a full circle. Yes, because I guess you know the story when I was like 14 before I even had a record deal

in Canada. I won a contest to sing on stage with Shania during her tour, her huge tour. And I don't know how that happened. My dad like came home from work and he heard it on the radio. So we sent in a tape of me singing, I won. And I met her when I was 14 and got up on stage with her. And that was like so cool. And then we've kept in touch over the years.

Now getting up on stage at 14 with Shania Twain, how did you handle that in the moment? Do you remember like being nervous? Do you remember like anything about it? Or did you completely black out? Cause I feel like in that moment, that high level of excitement, I truly think I would black out? Because I feel like in that moment, that high level of excitement, I truly think I would black out and forget everything. It was like I did, but I didn't.

It was like- Out of body? All this adrenaline. It was like, I was freaking out, but not. It was like I was in a different dimension. It was like a dream- like state where I walked out on stage and it was just this like packed arena and I was so young 14 and thinking I really want to do this like because this I don't know it was just in my body I was just like I really want to do this, I hope I get to do this. And then like I sang with her and I think it was like, am I singing the right words?

I don't know. I hope it's coming out. And I think it was like for a 14 year old, like looking back, I think it was like easy and natural. I think I just did it. It happened. But I remember how I felt. I was like, this is just such a dream and I hope that I get to do this one day. And then two years later, three years later, I sold out that arena. It was my first tour. I sold out that arena was my first tour. So maybe that maybe that maybe that moment as a 14 year old sort of fed the beast of

like now I need to get back here and do it myself. Yeah, they just think I was just I can't believe I did that. Like I was from a small town in Canada 5000 people nappity Ontario. I had no connections. I didn't have an in or like know anyone in the industry. It was like after that, like that was like helpful because like it put me in all the little papers. When you won best new artists at the VMAs, Complicated and Skater Boy were playing on every radio station. Can we just start out by talking about the spelling of skater boy? Yeah. Absolute.

Genius. Thanks. Uh, was it your idea to spell it that way? And I will preface this with I truly like still to this day, I've listened to songs for years and years and years and I will occasionally try to search them on Spotify. This is one of the only songs because artists will mix up the spelling of their songs or it comes almost down to the details of using lowercase or capital. Really, people get very into it. Skater Boy is one of the only ones where I'm like, I know how to spell it. I'm confident. Every time I type that into the search bar, I'm like, I know I'm going to nail this. How did you come up with that spelling?

I don't know. I was just like kind of, that's how I spelt some stuff, which is like doodles. Amazing. stars, eyes with X's. Like sometimes A's would be like that star, like the Skater Boy star. On the first album, the title, like on the picture,ote out all the lyrics inside the CD booklet. And so they just like took my stars and stuff too. And we put it on like the merch and it just became a thing. That's such a great personal touch through and through. Skater Boy star. That's amazing.

How does it feel now when singers like Billie Eilish or Olivia Rodrigo talk about you being an inspiration to them? Yeah, that was really cool. I got to a point where I'd been around long enough and there was these up and coming artists that were younger, like Billie and Olivia, and they were talking about me in their interviews and you know had mentioned that I was like an inspiration to them and that felt really cool and I love that like it's it's it's a giant compliment and then with both of those girls I was able to meet them, hang out with them, spend some time with them. Olivia had me jump up on stage with her

and sing complicated and it was really, it was awesome. And also like, they're both really cool and like independent and like have like strong messages too. And I think very, two very powerful women in the industry. So that's really cool to see. Now, since you're on, not going to lie, we like to play a game on here called, is it true?

Where every question starts with, is it true? Followed by something we read prepping for this episode. And you tell me if it is in fact true. And please feel free to provide a background. Is it true that you got banned from TRL in 2004? Yeah, I got banned from TRL. What happened? I flipped the bird.

I'm live television. I was like answering my question and I just went like that. And then I got in so much trouble and my manager was like, they're not going to, they're not letting you back on TRL again, because you flip the bird and curse on live television. I was like, Oh, bummer. Oh, be cooler people. Come on. We love that around here, by the way. Um, is it true that there is a skater boy movie in the works? It is true. Oh, there is a very exciting. Yes. Um, I've been working on it for a while and, um, we're in the process of that and it's very exciting and currently putting that all together right now. It's something I'm really looking forward to. Oh, I can't wait. Um, is it true that you eventually want to put out a Christmas album?

Putting out a Christmas album is on my bucket list. I have been talking about it for so long. Yes, I absolutely want to make a Christmas record. I will say that we already have Kelly Clarkson on board, but my husband for the last three years has put out a Christmas album with some other Eagles players, some of his former teammates, and they do it for charity. So if you, if you want one foot in the door, I know a guy just saying, is it, is it true that one time a fan gave you a wedding dress? dress. It's true. Um, I flew into Korea and there is like hundreds of fans at the airport and I ran and got thrown into my van and they tossed in all these gifts. One being a wedding

dress, one being a live rabbit. Oh, I was sitting in the van like we were like driving to the hotel and I was like, Oh, I guess I'll open this. And it was like, I was like, Ah, I was a bunny. What happened? Where did that? What, what did you do with the money? Someone from the label took it and put with it. Oh, perfect. Okay. They were like, we'll take care of it and get it somewhere safe. That's such a wide range. And then, yeah, and then I got to my hotel room and opened up the rest of the gifts and I was like, this is a wedding dress.

And I, yeah, that was an interesting one. I cannot thank you enough for coming out to talk to me today. Like I said before, huge fan for a very long time now. I am so excited that you are touring with the greatest hits because those are the things that I started my love of you with. I am excited to hear that you're headed to Hershey Park because that's not far off from us. And I wish you all the best on the rest of your tour.

Well, thank you so much. And thank you for having me. It was good to meet you and to hang out today and to chit chat. I can't believe you're going to be on stage in six hours. Good luck tonight. Now I'm on stage in five hours. Woo! Thank you so much again to Avril Lavigne for joining me today. You can buy tickets to her greatest hits tour right now.

She's also playing Bonnaroo, the Vans Warped Tour in Washington DC, and the When We Were Young Festival later this year. You can find even more clips from our longer conversation on my YouTube channel on Moreshit Monday. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Going to Lie. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Not Going to Lie is a Wave Original brought to you by Lululemon. Thank you guys again for tuning in.