Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & Brenda Song on Starring in Jason’s Western, Disney Channel Starting 5 & Macaulay’s Proposal | Ep. 65

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Kylie’s back for another hilarious episode of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by Seventh Generation! This week she’s joined by iconic actress, crazy sports fan and Disney adult: Brenda Song (24:13). Kylie starts off the show by reacting to the latest Jason thirst trap photo going around from his time at NASCAR (1:24). She also shares how her husband convinced her to co-star in a short western film for Garage Beer where she’s dressed like a cowboy and doing perhaps the best Delco accent of all time (7:02). In Doomscroll of the Week, Kylie cracks up at the comments of a video featuring the world’s worst baker (12:53), shares how her kids would respond to the “missing parent” trend (16:28) and reveals why she loves Flyers mascot Gritty so much (19:20). Kylie is then joined by Brenda Song (24:13)! They bond over their love of Disney parks and Brenda’s show “Running Point.” Brenda also gets into how big of a Lakers fan she is and she and Kylie bond over their crazy fan superstitions… one of which once sent Brenda to the hospital (34:05). Brenda also shares the story of how her partner Macaulay Culkin recently re-proposed in the most L.A. Rams way possible (48:15).  Kylie also asks Brenda about her Disney Channel days, including her time as a captain for the Disney Channel Games (49:17). Brenda names her own Disney Starting 5 and also talks about the possibility of a ‘Suite Life’ reunion (54:15). Kylie and Brenda talk about being moms and Brenda shares what her two boys think she does for work. You can find even more clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Brenda on our YouTube channel on More Sh*t Monday. . . . Download the full podcast here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-gonna-lie-with-kylie-kelce/id1780888125 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0RgXbSGGmwpzAyeLHbDqUD?si=4585dab89c4f4c11&nd=1&dlsi=e178bf324b99403f Follow Not Gonna Lie on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: lnk.to/j61XD8 Purchase Brand New NGL Merch: https://www.nglkylie.com Support the show: Seventh Generation: Make the switch today to Seventh Generation - a powerful clean, without anything extra. https://seventhgeneration.com/extra   Lululemon: Limited color runs drop every Tuesday! You don't wanna wait. If it's not for you, lululemon offers free returns, no risk. Check out new styles at https://www.lululemon.com  Allstate: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You’re in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary. Subject to terms, conditions, & availability. Allstate North American Ins. Co. & affiliates: Northbrook, IL. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome aboard via rail. Please sit and enjoy. Please sit and stretch. Steep. Flip. Or that. And enjoy. Via rail, love the way.

Wave. Not going to lie. I was woken up last night. Three times by children. Three times by dogs. I always say that they huddle up before bedtime and decide who's going to be the one that evening. And last night, I think they missed their huddle.

Let's see if I can form a sentence. And let's get this podcast start. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a wave original. Brought to you by seventh generation. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, beginner-level golfer. And that's generous because I have played one round of golf. And I think I quit halfway through because I wasn't technically cleared to golf. that soon after having hernia surgery.

I can speak French, even though I hate to admit it. It's not that I necessarily hate to admit it. It's actually that Jason likes to say that I speak fluently, which I do not. So that's the discrepancy issue. Queen Emma wants me to speak French right now, but I'm not going to because I just a petit bit de Francie. There you go. You got it. That's all I have. And it's another week, which means another thirst trap of my husband on the internet.

And this time, it was the NASCAR edition. Once again, for audio listeners, my husband is wearing a jumpsuit, a pit crew jumpsuit. That's how I'm going to describe it because I actually know nothing about NASCAR. I plan to learn about NASCAR when I watch whatever the hell he was filming. Now, I think we all know the more side quest my husband goes on, the more thirst traps are going to circulate because everybody loves to film whatever he's doing. So I'm not going to address each one because honestly, I think you guys have earned the right for, let's call it the honor system, meaning you can look and that's it. Literally, no, that's it. You can look. But be respectful. Okay. Because if you're not, realistically, someone's going to write you out in the comments and they're going to tag me when they do it. So just know, I got eyes on you. And women supporting women. Thank you for the women who are.

shouting, Kylie, come get this. When people are, they're misbehaving. Jason likes to tell me about these things in a very vague capacity. I had no, I had very little idea of what my husband was doing down there. Let's be real, my brain could not move on from quotes once my husband said he was going to Talladega. Because every single time he said Talladega, my brain said nights. Dear baby, Jesus. I can't help myself.

All right, now that we've addressed the second Jason Thirstrap in as many weeks, which is wild, is it? No mind. I can focus on today's episode coming up.

My husband somehow convinced me to star in a short Western film. Now people have seen it, so I guess I got to talk about it, even though I would really prefer to pretend like it doesn't exist. And we can just have a mutual agreement that doesn't exist,

and we don't have to talk about it because nobody's seen it, right? I guess wrong. We also have an elite doom scroll for the real ones featuring the new missing person parent trend on TikTok, perhaps the worst baker of all time and why more fans need to fall for gritty. Are gorgeous Philadelphia Flyers mascot. He's so handsome.

After that, I'm going to be joined by someone I've been so excited to talk to. I've loved her in everything from The Sweet Life to New Girl, to Running Point, season two. Plus, she might even be a crazier sports fan than me. We'll see. It's Brenda Song. Oh, God, I have no business.

But before we get to Brenda, let's start with a couple quick NGO announcements. First, if you haven't already, make sure you watch my latest episode of FAFO right on our NGO YouTube. I need you guys to pretend like I didn't look like that playing basketball. It was a little scary at the top of the dome, more so on the inside of the building than it was in the outside. You guys need to tune into that episode to see what I'm talking about. The other thing you need to tune in for is the most incredible conversation with Governor Shapiro and First Lady Lori Shapiro. They are doing amazing things to focus on women's health, maternal health, postpartum experience, period products for women in government buildings and schools,

making that a standard. They are putting money into research about the mortality rate for black women when it comes to giving birth. There are so many important things in this episode. And I really, really think that you guys will enjoy it. Next, today may be the last day of April, aka Autism Acceptance Month. But the work of the Eagles Autism Foundation is year round. And guess what?

It's not too late to register for the Eagles Autism Challenge. on May 9th, you can either be a virtual participant or you can actually show up and participate in person. There is a 10-mile bike ride. You can do a 5K walk or you can do a one-mile sensory walk. I am so excited to be there again. I have not missed a single Ecos Autism Challenge. Queen Emma put in the rundown, are you going to run? And that's funny because no, I don't run unless it's for something or from something and there's nothing to run for because it's not a race and there's nothing to run from well I can run from my children but they'll chase me so nope I'm good oh also some people might have seen the more viral fundraiser that Jason puts on and our family puts on for the Eagles autism

foundation which is what is called shorebirds and that is the gas bartending event at the Ocean Drive over the summer. That will be June 24th this year at the Ocean Drive in Seattle City, New Jersey. These are two different events. The event I'm talking about on May 9th, the Eagles Autism Challenge, is a lovely family-friendly experience. Shorebirds at the OD is a lovely adult experience. And I think the best way to describe it is look up the clip that we discussed last. year of my husband ripping off his breakaway pants into a speedo and I think that gives you all the information that you need all right let's move on I guess this is about time we brought back places Kylie has some business being brought to you by seventh generation

and somehow in a span of a week we went from cowboy Jason to girl me no and of course more cowboy Jason fine with that and that's because as the real ones may have seen, I was somehow convinced to star in a short Western film with my husband for garage beer. Did I want to do it? Everyone all together. Hell no. Okay. But do I love my husband? Hell yes. And that is how I end up in these situations. We should have a running list. There should be a compilation of all the things that Kylie has done that Kylie wanted nothing to freaking do with. And her husband, her husband convinced her to do. Late night show announcer, Christmas album, garage beer commercial.

There has to be more. Put them in the comments, guys. Oh, new hibre multiple times. Thank you, Queen Emma. Appearing on new, multiple, oh, I said it twice. Appearing on the other podcast multiple times, sometimes with less than an hour warning, which is wild behavior. We're not playing the clip.

Oh my God. Oh, no, I'm gonna, look, I'm tearing. Okay. Listen, if you don't believe me, go check it out for yourself. Down in the old abandoned saloon. No, no. Oh, my God. No.

Oh my God, don't do that again. We got cold beer in this town. But that bastard Bo Allen, he controls all of it. Bo Allen, he hates cold beer. No, sweetheart. He loves it. How do you know? I've seen it with my own eyes.

How's it keeping it cold? Down at the town bank. He turned that vault into an ice box. Keeps the key around his neck. Yeah. Listen, if you don't believe me, go check it out for yourself. Down in the old abandoned saloon at the edge of town,

that's where him and his guys go when they want to party. Let me explain how this accent happened. There is a clip somewhere. It came across my for you page on TikTok. There is a clip somewhere of my husband doing some degree of question and answer. I have no idea what this forum was. I refuse to go to the premiere of this because I didn't want to be, oh, add documentary to the list.

Oh, God. Okay, I didn't. There's a clip somewhere on TikTok of my husband doing a Q&A at the premiere of this. And he acknowledges the fact that I didn't want to do it. But how we came to the Delco, Philly, Delco, whatever that accent is, we were in the dressing room before we got started going over lines, which I had never seen before, which was great. That was fun.

We were going over the lines and they said, well, You need an accent. And I've said, I'm not doing a Western accent. I'm not doing it. You can't make me. It's not happening. And because to be quite honest with you, it took a lot of convincing for me to even put this hat on. Okay. I have a problem with cowboy, cowgirl hats, whatever you want to call them. I have a problem with cowboy and cowgirl boots. Now, it's a personal thing. I don't have a problem when other people wear them. I actually quite like them on other people. But to me, it feels very Dallas Cowboys adjacent. And that's how big of an Eagles fan. Oh, yeah? And that's how big of an Eagles fan. Yeah. And that's a lot. And that. That's how unhinged I am. Anyway, then I made a joke about doing a Delco accent, and they said, you're doing that. So, Jordan, the director, and Jason, he decided. And then I just went with it because I was already there, and I was already dressed.

Is Dickhead one of the more fun things to say in Delco accent? Dickhead is, I actually don't say it right. And I'm actually surprised that more people in the comments did not come for me in this way. Dickhead in Philadelphia and Delco, specifically really Philly, you are supposed, it's supposed to be quicker and less clear. Like dickhead, that would be more appropriate. I said dickhead, straight up.

I should have said asshole. Because when I say asshole, it comes out far more Delco than I did dickhead. So I'm, that's one of the many reasons why I can't watch it back. Jason said he might recruit you to do another one, but make it a rom-com. No, because here's the problem, okay? At the end, I thought I was going to get a sweet kiss from my husband. And instead, I get my head shoved out of the way for a bottle of garage beer. So you owe me a smoochie kiss.

How about that? Okay, now we're all, now we're all moved on. we've all moved on and we're going to stay with that because we're done with that now. Queen ever just said totally and I know she's lying. That's it for places Kylie has some business being brought to you by seventh generation. Now let's get right into Doom Scroll the Week brought to you by Lulu Lemon. First up, you guys know how I feel about TikTok comment sections by now. So much so that you guys actually tag me in videos and say, run, Kylie, run to those comments.

And this is yet another prime example of a video you watch and then, haul ass, okay? Just move it. Move it or lose it right to the comments. Queen out of the clip, please. Wait, hold on. Guys, don't mind Tony. Tony's making a cake.

Don't mind Tony. Wrong side. It said bottom and size of the pan. What is it just not the bottom? Oh, honey. it is the bottom. But that bottom is the outside bottom. And we need to coat the inside bottom. You know, the one that's actually going to touch the cake batter. Just a thought. I love his effort, though. And so we run. We sprint. We get there into the comments. And we find him with the instructions

say chill in the fridge for 30 minutes. And for my audio listeners, there is a little picture of a human being inside of their fridge actually sitting in the fridge. Outstanding. The next comment says, Tony baking the cake at 120 degrees. Oh no. That is a photo of a cake pan lifted to a hundred and 20 degrees, aka the cake is nearly on its side. This feels very closely related. It's, it's the clip of fold in the cheese. Well, how do you fold? You fold it in. This feels like that in a different font, although he was wrong. So maybe it's not. It's so good. Oh, someone, someone hit me with one of my favorite quotes. You're going to look at me and you're going to tell me that I'm wrong.

He said it with his whole chest. This is the bottom. They said spray the bottom. He said it. This is the bottom. And I'm spraying the bottom. You're going to look at me and you're going to tell me that I'm wrong. Am I wrong?

She wore a crown. and she went around and she came down in a balcony. I'm a little concern for Tony. I'm curious if Tony understands the other instructions. Did you guys ever have to do the exercise in school where you wrote the list of directions to do what you would assume is a simple task? I do believe ours was making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I feel like you're in that exercise.

your teacher typically will then take the list of directions and point out the faults, a.k.a. the spaces in which you did not provide enough direction. I think Tony should start testing those directions. Tony needs more. He needs more instruction. It's okay, Tony. Not everyone's meant to bake. I think we just give that one up. Sorry. All right. Next up, kids all over TikTok are proving just how brutally honest they can be about their parents with this new missing person trend. Oh, no. Queen Emma the clip, please. If I was missing and I needed to describe me, you needed to describe me to the police.

What would you say? She likes McDonald's. She has hair that turned from blonde to black. She sparts pretty loud, so I think you'll smell it out. you're doing everything lunch just be glad she's very beautiful she has hazel eyes she has brown hair with highlights um she has a banging butt she she okay dad oh you'll probably catch her at um macdonald's eating okay first of all this is the most first child, second child display. I've seen in a minute. The first child said, I know how to handle this

exercise. And the second one said, I'm a roast the shit out of you for the next two minutes straight. That's crazy. The difference in the description is not. Those are two different human beings. I think that if I asked any of the girls to describe me, that why it would take it as an opportunity to say that I am mean and probably something about my butt. I'm not 100% sure, but I do think that would be the case. I think Ellie would just be sweet. And I think Benny would be a wild card. But I mean, we've talked about it on here.

Benny has told me I have tall boobs, right? Was it Benny? I don't even know which one. At this point, all their insults really just, they melt, together. If they had to describe Jason, oh, I know what Benny would do. Benny would tell you that he's handsome. She might tell you he has a beard, but she would definitely tell you he's handsome because every time she sees him recently, she goes, I love you, dad. You're so handsome. I don't know what she's working towards, but I'm going to figure it out. And the number of times she said it at this

point, it's got to be big. Maybe it's expensive. I don't know. She's working on something. You're so handsome, dad. I love you. I agree with the whole statement, but also what? I'm hoping she would balance that with your beautiful mom, but I just can't be certain at any given time. And last up, the flyers are in the playoffs, but the real MVP, at least on social media, has been our mascot Gritty. He's on a generational TikTok run right now. Queen Emma, let's see it, please. My audio listeners, Gritty is beating the absolute crap. out of the Pittsburgh Penguin. Yeah, he is, he is beating him.

Oh, and now he's lifted over his head. And he's nodding like a WWW wrestler. And then he launches him over the edge. I believe we have another clip. Helping random penguins fans get home safe part two. The first part of the clip are Penguins fans running. And the second part of the clip is Gritty's googly eyes going whack a doodle while he chases him down the hallway. Gritty is great because gritty is gritty. Gritty is Philadelphia. Gritty

doesn't hold back. He's very straightforward. He's very straight to the point. And I love it. I love it so much. He looks like a hot mess express. Have you seen his belly button? Yeah. If you haven't, Google it. Look it up. Look up his belly button. I know that sounds crazy. but it's kind of ridiculous. People online are starting to wonder if there really is even a person inside the Gritty costume. I could go either way on this. I mean, what was he born out of? Like a sewer in Philadelphia? Was he born out of a manhole cover in Philly?

According to his official biography, The Gritty emerged after construction at the Expinity Mobile Arena, the Flyers Home Arena, disturbed his secret hideout. It was probably a sewer. It was probably the sewer underneath of Exfinity Live arena. He is a great compliment to the family-friendly, fun-loving Philly Fanatic. I wouldn't quite say Gritty is family-friendly. He's Philly family-friendly.

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this would have been a beautiful meetup in Disney World. You have no idea. I was devastated when that didn't work out. Here's the deal. There's always later. Please. We'll take a rain check. Please, I'm a Disney adult. So please, that's my dream. Perfect because I refuse to go there unless I have a Disney adult at my beck and call because I am not a Disney adult and I like to lean on professionals. I could right now, if you were to tell me like, how should I go through Disneyland with my kids, I would write you down how you should hit the parks, where you should go, how old are your kids, what ride they should hit. Yes. Not only grew up Disneyland, but like as an adult, I feel like me and Mac love Disneyland more than our children do. I do think that that,

So we are, because we're East Coast, we're worlds, we're Disney World people. I will tell you, I have realized that it is not for the kids. It's not, it's for us. And as adults, we can appreciate the magic and also the food and beverage and also our legs can do it. You know? It's a lot. We took our kids way too early. Like, they don't know.

poor Mac is like strolling them in the huge double strollers and like by 1 p.m. They're tired. I'm like, we have eight hours to go. Yep. This is a marathon, not a sprint people. We figured out that if you get, because we have four, because we're crazy. Congratulations. Also, are you okay?

No, thank you for asking. We figured out that there are actually these strollers that you can fold up. and put underneath the big stroller. So we have two compact strollers underneath a double stroller because you can't take a wagon. That's a thing. So, yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with.

It's a marathon, not a sprint. And we have regularly hit that like one, maybe somewhere between one and two o'clock. And I'm like, are we going to make it? Are we going to make fireworks? Who knows? But we're going to find out together. That's exactly for us. That's, that's, that's the benchmark is, are we going to make the light show and or the fireworks?

Yes. We'll get back to to parenthood a little bit later, but I really want to talk to you about running point. First of all, congrats on season two. Thank you. Thank you so much. I actually got to talk to Kate Hudson last year when the first season came out. Yes, yes, yes. And it's been so fun to see your friendship on screen. How has that been for you guys? Well, firstly, I told her all about your podcast because I love it. And I, that's the thing about Kate is she is one of my really good friends. She's like a big sister to me. I sometimes look over and I still can't believe that I'm standing next to Kate Hudson. Like it feels insane because she's such an icon. I love her so much. So many of her performances live rent free in my head. And I remember meeting her for the first time at our first table read.

And I was so, so, so nervous. And she was like the coolest, most like open, chill, kind, generous person. And I'm so grateful to have her in my life because now that we've known each other for, gosh, like over two years, she's just been the advice that she's given me, like, personally, professionally, interior design advice, everything. I mean, this woman knows everything. I'm so grateful because she is the best scene partner, but also at the same time, I think we're chatting more about everything else.

Like, we kind of shoot a show while we're just hanging out. That's what it feels like this show is like we're just a bunch of friends hanging out. And I guess we kind of make a show in our downtime. It's honestly, I feel like that comes through the screen. The level of comfort and the friendship you guys have comes through the screen because it's, first of all, I said this to Kate. I watched the entire first season while walking on the treadmill because I was like, if you guys are going to be a boss-ass woman, I'm going to be a boss-ass woman to keep my body moving

while I watch the show. But I love that it really is like two friends, just being badasses in the sports world. It feels so good and you can feel it right through the screen. Oh, thank you. It's, you know, I, I test. I always say it starts from the top. And, like, Mindy Kaling is like the big,

like the most badass boss woman you'll ever meet. Like, you know, she, like, for our first table, Rich had sent me an email being like, oh, I'm not going to make it because I'm about to give birth. And I was like, I didn't even know you're pregnant. Two weeks into filming, like two weeks later, we're filming our first episode. And we finish a take and then I hear, wait, wait, I have a quick note. And it's freaking Mindy. And I'm like, Mindy, you just had a baby. She's like insane. Like being around her and Kate, I've just inspired me so much. Because when I was about to start this show, I was, this was like first, like my big undertaking after having two kids. I felt really lost and

confused about, you know, where I was in life. How do I navigate this new me? Because I just felt so different after having my kids. And you know how, you know, like, I feel like society tells like all like working moms like, no, girl, you got to go out there and keep working, live your best life, be a boss bitch, but also be a full-time mom. You can't miss a single soccer practice. Make sure you every bedtime. And I was like, what am I? I didn't know. I was so nervous. And then I met these two incredible women who both have three kids, who both run empires, who are both so kind and generous and so talented and good people. And it inspires me so much to just keep going and that it's just about prioritizing your like what's important to you. And that moms are incredible. You just make it

work. Like you just, I don't know how, but you just do. That's the female way. We'll make it, we'll figure it out and we'll do it. I am going to hit the spoiler alert because your partner once again makes a cameo this season. As someone who also has a husband constantly pitching crazy ideas to her to get involved in, I love this for you guys. What's your strategy when he does this? I'm just, I'm like, can I just have one thing? I'm kidding.

It's, you know what it is? It's because we genuinely are all friends like Dave Stassen and Ike Barron Holtz and Mindy, like our like Mac is friends with them and so it started off as like kind of a joke because we shoot all of the basketball all the game stuff at the very end we shoot at the last couple weeks and Mac just like stop by set and he was like oh what if you just like throw me in the stands like can I just like be a fan no one says anything and he's like but you know we can like maybe I have a fan bit and they're like actually we do have like a little fan bit that is coming up in a couple days if you want to do that and he's like oh my god yes and then I was like oh that's cute

And then we got picked up for a second season. And we were actually at the opening Rams game. And I had Dave Stassan, our showrunner, and Scott McArthur, who plays Ness. I had them come with us. And he spent the first half hour, like, pitching this, like, story arc for this fan and how he's going to come back. Yes. And let me tell you, he already has a pitch for this non-existent season three. And he was so mad because he technically has two cameos this season because we use a clip from my girl.

Yes. Spoiler. And he was so mad because he was like, I have. have two cameos and I didn't even get an invite to the premiere. He was like, I'm your plus one. And I was like, honey, I was like, it's the pecking order. You were there either way. He was there either way. That's a great point though. So season three, I'll do what I'll do what I love to do. This is my wooden spoon. I knock on for good luck. Just we don't jinx anything, but I'm on board. I'm going to cross fingers and toes for a season three and hope that. that maybe there's three cameos next season because if it was, if we're building, let's build,

you know? Oh, that's a great pitch. Oh, I can't even, I can't even give them that suggestion. If I tell them to do three cameos on the show, I just think this, this fan might have a deeply rooted backstory and why they're a fan, you know? I don't know. I don't write shows. There's a reason for it. I have no business in there. But just take it. Just take it. Keep that one for you. If we use the idea, we'll credit you, Kylie. Thank you so much. Maybe I could come to the premiere. Please come.

Thank you so much. Please. No, that would be so much fun. I always say, like, there is, I, we need more women and women in sports on this show. I'm like, I'm here for it. Oh, I don't want to be in it. I just want to come. No.

I mean, you can come visit, but also be in it. No, thank you. I am good. Have you ever seen the Homer Simpson when he melts into the hedge? Yes. That's me. That is me. Find a hedge.

I'll be in it. I am good. You are the hedge. Yeah, if you have a hedge on the, you just paint me green, put me in there. That'll be my role. Well, regardless, you should come visit. If there's a third season, come, come, come.

Please. I'm manifesting a third season for many reasons. Many, many reasons because I love this show. Thank you. Now, you, of course, played the chief of staff for an L.A. basketball team in the show, but in real life, you are one of the biggest Laker fans around. Yes.

It is, it's so impressive. How superstitious are you? Because I'm asking, this is safe space for superstition because, I mean, you saw my wooden spoon. I like to keep something handy just in case. We'll scale it. I need to know how superstitious you are on a scale of one to turning around in your seat at the stadium if shit isn't going your way.

It is So I've been better now Because I literally went to the hospital Watching a Laker game at home I hyperventilated Because I was watching a game And it was the game

It was the game 7 Western Commerce Finals Lakers Sacramento I talked about this all the time Because it was like It was so anxiety written I was the game was really close And I'd taken a little sip of water And I'm a person that will

I had this like Lakers like pajama set That I wore And we went on a run And I was like, and I wore that and I won't wash it. If I, I don't have anything to start with. But if we have a great game, I'll just like casually repeat something. And then it becomes my superstition of the season. I endorsed this whole heart.

But that game, I took a sip of water and they scored. And then I was like, oh, that's so crazy. And I took another little of water. And they scored again. So I just kept taking sips of water. And I, and this was like the start of the second half. And by the end of it, I was, I literally threw up. I was freaking out because we won the game.

And I like literally hyperventilated. have me taken to the hospital. And at the hospitals, in there waiting, and I wanted to watch the post game. I was trying to make myself throw up. Because I was like, if I just throw up, I can go home. And they had to turn off all the TVs because I was trying to make myself throw up so I could watch the post, like the post game.

So that is the level of like superstition I was at. I'm better now. Like, I'm better now. Like, for instance, I do have like a lucky Rams jersey. I'm much more superstitious with the Rams right now because it's also a much shorter season. because I used to be in 82 games a year whether I was listening to it on the radio with Stu and Chick.

Yeah, I would listen to it on the radio because that's how old I am and that's how long I've been watching the Lakers. And when I was shooting the Sweet Life, they had to put a monitor under, because we shot in front of a live audience so they had like bleachers. They'd have to put a monitor underneath the bleachers

if there was a game on so I could watch because otherwise I'd be so distracted because I'd need to know what the score was. Yes. Absolutely. So that is the level of... superstition I have now. Like, I was so nervous and I still think this is why the last game we went to was the OKC game. And mind you, LeBron wasn't playing, AR wasn't playing, Luca wasn't playing. But it is the

first time because I am a, when I go to a sports game, I'm in head to toe in my team's gear. I do not like to, like, and I went and we had just come from a long day of press and I wasn't wearing any Lakers gear. And I attest to why we lost that game is because I was not wearing a Lakers gear because I never go to a sports game without wearing. So I'm like, that's what it was. It's because I wasn't wearing my Lakers gear. I can't. I can't disagree with you. I'm sorry to put that pressure on you, but I can't disagree with you. Yeah. Okay. Well, you're never going to make that mistake again. Never. I kept thinking about it because we went straight from our press and I was like, I don't have any Lakers gear. I'm going to freak out like this is not going to. Next time, next time we

stop at the pro shop. We have to. We have to. You have no other choice. This, this feels really good to me. I'm sorry that it feels so bad for you, but it feels great to me. Now, the one other thing I will bring up about the Lakers is that I saw somewhere that on Sweet Life, on the Sweet Life set that you had a cut out of Kobe. Is that correct? My whole, my dressing room for the entirety was all Lakers out. Like I have a lake, like a lake, like you walk in, you, Kobe, you met a life size Kobe Ryan, met you at the door. But I had Lakers theme blankets, pillows, mirrors. It was all Lakers theme. The entirety of, yeah, my, I was always lakered out. I mean, I had sneakers that had, I had custom made. They were like old school dunks that were purple and gold.

And they say Ms. Brenda Bryant on the side, because that's how psychotic I was. Delusional. Absolutely delusional. Now, I would like to say the, the clip of you, Mike Dup. The Miconard, go. Friend is busy. Come on. You got a double team.

I'm double team. Yes. I love you so much. Why do you think I sweat so much a game? Outstanding. I was actually very calm. So that's, so that's, that was one of my, thank you so much for bringing that up. Were you on your best behavior?

I was so calm. I, like, I was actually when I watched, when they sent it to me, I was like, oh, I was like, but I was much more calm than I normally. And like, when you sit courtside at the Lakers, they give you like, this little note that is like the way that you need to conduct yourself. Sure. And I feel personally, like I feel like they wrote it for me. I feel like it says to, hey Brenda, chill out. I really feel like I took it really personally. And I was like, okay, I'm going to be on my best behavior. And so I just want everyone to know that I was on my best behavior. I was so,

that was a really hard game. We, it was a rough game for us. And I feel like I was really calm. Because you didn't have your legers gear on. Exactly. But I feel like I was really calm. And I feel like we had a great time. I taught Kate a lot. She like makes me laugh because she is so funny because she is the exact opposite of me at a game. She's so calm. She's so chill. And I, those words don't, I don't know what those words mean, especially at a sporting event. I have no idea. It's game time. Oh, yeah. Mac is always worried that I'm going to get into a fight at a game because I, if the feeling strikes you. I was like, I was like, especially if you're coming to our house. Get out of here. Get out of here. Now, I will say in terms of Kate's reaction to you, the one part of the clip where she turns and goes, Brenda's busy. I'm like, that's the perfect. Like, I'm just, I'm here for a good time. She's busy. So we can't, we can interrupt her.

Now, I do want to bring up, you're saying you're very calm in that clip. How about when you were with McCauley last year, would you say that was your best behavior? Oh, push up. A push off? What? Yeah, no, no, that was actually still pretty tame. Like, that was, like, you don't want to see me. I feel like with basketball right now, because I, my fandom is different.

When Kobe was playing, oh, no, you could have never miced me up because I would, I would go after players, families, and children. Like, I was, that level of, like, crazy. I really feel like I am so much more calm than I would be at a Rams game. I always say, like, I was like, you can't mic me a Rams game. I would be canceled immediately. Because I'm just, I'd just be yelling also. I would just be yelling the entire time because I really do, I would like my goals is to be like, you know, like an assistant defensive coordinator.

Like that is my like dream goal. Like that's what I want to do in life. Yes. And I feel like I, and especially now, I feel like I've gotten a lot more calm. I mean, you might have to ask Mack. He'll probably say something different. But I do feel like I'm, I'm more chill than I used to be. I have gone I've gone on record people ask me all the time about how it's been do you still go to games all the time because I used to go to every home game yeah and I say no I watch from the comfort of my own living room they're like you you like that in my head I'm like yeah I do because I can say all the curse words I want in my living room and no one's going to be like wow Kylie why are you talking about that player like that and I'm like well because he's got bricks for hands okay yes who am I to

you know, or like every time there's like a defensive secondary and it goes right through their hands. And I mean, they get fingers on it. And I'm like, that's why they're defense, Kylie. That's why their defense, Kylie. That's why their defense, Kylie. If they had hands, they'd play offense. And I'm like, you know what? This living room is a good place to do that.

It's a safe place. Eyes on me. You know? I'm good. I'm good. It's so funny because I always say this. I'm like, I always prefaceted that when I'm watching a game, there is no player in person. This is just players.

We are talking strictly sports here. And so when I am like I, I love, like I love my Ramley. I love my Rams players. But don't get it twisted when someone drops a pass. When there is when there's a missed opportunity, when someone is just not. Because so many things have to go right for, you know, like that's the thing about football. It like truly one person misses. one. You miss a block. It is done for you. The plays, it's, and I can't let it go. I hold on to

grudges for a very long time. Like I could tell you now, like how many how many players that I look at? And I was like, oh, I'll never forget that past you drop. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it. Now, I used to give, I used to give myself grace by reminding myself that no one was excluded from the opportunity of me ripping them to shreds. And by that, I mean, I used to. to get my husband too. Like there were times where he would have a hold and I'd be like, you thought you were going to get away with that? You thought you were going to get, you thought you were going to, you were so far outside of your framework. I'm done. Like I would be, I would be like no one was safe. No one. So I feel like that makes it fair. Checking Allstate first could save you

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I'm still mad at that Jalen Carter sack like two playoffs ago. And like I'm still mad about it when we, I was like in my mind. I was like, we're driving down. We have the ball. We're down. I see we're going to win by one.

I see this. Yeah. And Jalen Carter. I, he's incredible. Let me tell you about that Jordan Davis block. From our side of things. Remember when we were talking about superstition?

I turned my ass around in my seat. And then you guys didn't win. No, we did not. Success. So many of our losses this past season came down to either, I mean, it came down to special teams, but it came, I mean, we had two blocked field goals. The past season, two, to lose a game. I mean, that only plays into the win now because you have, you guys have it.

You're, I mean, when you're losing by that small of a margin, it says you're right there. Yeah. And then so that's why we took Ty Simpson and that's why we took a quarterback in for our our first pick in this draft. I love that for us. I think everyone loved that. Yes. I think everyone loved that.

We're enjoying it. I was, I was, we were here in New York doing press and I've been, I've been waiting for the draft because off season, when you're, when you didn't win, like I always say like the fastest off season was when the Rams won because I'm like, I'm living it up. Yes. You know, all in the off season. But when you don't win or when your team was really, close and they don't win. This is like the hardest time. You're like how you're going to fix it.

Exactly. So all I'm thinking about is, you know, what, okay, what trades? What do we get a free agency? And then the draft. You get so excited about the draft because you're like, all right, here's where we can figure out. And especially, I think specifically in the NFL and in football, a player can make an impact immediately. It's truly a young man's game. Like you come in right out the gate. You can make a difference. I mean, like, you know what I mean? Right away. And so that's what's hard for me. It's like, Like we're not a, we can't wait three years. Matt Stafford will be 742. Like, you know what I mean?

I'm like, we are a win now team. And so I'm really frustrated because all the other picks that we took, we took a tight end, like an O line, defensive line, a wide receiver. I'm like, yeah, that's what I thought we were going to take. And I thought we were just going to take a star player, someone like, a Mikey Lemon, a Caleb Downs, a Ruben Bain, someone that's going to make an impact right away. Hello, you know, and I'm, I hope I, like, Kylie, I hope in a couple years that I'm eating my words.

Like, I hope I'm going, Brenda, past Brenda was wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm wrong. I mean, as long as it is not against the egos, I hope you're wrong to just because I love your passion. We actually did a funny thing on our, we were all together with our cast and everyone like Justin was like, you know what we should do? show each other's for you page, like, or explore page on Instagram. And I was like, what is mine? Because I'm not really on social. And like mine, like, I mean, let's see. It is, I'm like such a, I'm like such a like, oh, I don't know how to get to your number.

I don't know how to get to your free page. But we went on mine and they were like, mine looked like a 12 year old boy. It was just sports. I was like, is this really who I am? Like I apparently, I guess I'm getting targeted ad for, for like fat heads for your for your wall. Oh, I mean, yeah. I mean, even now. Like I, right now it's, it's just the Rams. Yes. It's just the Rams.

Tis the season. It's just the Rams all the time. It's no joke. I love that so much. I know. This is my life, Kylie. I, it's like, my kids, like, so, um, this past August, like, Mac like kind of reproposed to me.

And it was really sweet. I was coming home from Running Point. And my mom texted me, she's like, are you wearing makeup? And I was like, what? And I, and they had flowers, like, all by the front door and my two boys. And, and, And he like, I walk up. And I was like, oh my God.

And he looked at my voice. He goes, okay, what do you say to mama? And my youngest went, Ram's house. Because he's so used to be doing callback. Because I'll go, whose house? It'll go Ram's house. I've trained my kids well. That's so beautiful.

Yeah. Oh. We rehearsed and we rehearsed. Like, will you marry us? But no, my son instinctively knew. Ram's house. Ram's house. That's outstanding.

Raising them right, you know, raising them right. You got to get it in there while they're, you really have to like instill it when they're young. Yeah. So that they know. If you ask my kids go, they'll say go birds. Yes. I love that. We got it.

As they should. They should. That's a well-informed child and I like it. Now, before we move off of sports completely, I heard you say one of your dreams would be to be chief of staff for a team. Oh, yeah. But you actually did get kind of close when you were a captain. in for the Disney Channel Games. Yes, ma'am.

Now, I apologize for this next sentence. No, please do. But can you believe that was 20 years ago? That is, I mean, thank you for reminding me. Feel free to say, no, it wasn't. Because I say all the time, I'm 24 years old. I'm 24.

I'm a 34 years old. Can I tell you, I didn't really feel my age until I had children. Like I feel like I've aged 10 years in the last five. See, I still think I'm a teen mom. I have a six year. My oldest is six. I'm like, I was a teen mom.

24 years old. I was math. I was a teen mom. My favorite is what I was like, yeah, I have two kids. Three and five. They're like, oh, yeah. And I was like, you don't want to tell me that that's shocking. Like I look like I shouldn't have to get.

Your face should have said something else. Yeah. That you should have been like, oh my goodness, you don't look like you should have two kids. Because in my mind, I'm like, I'm still a child. I can't believe someone allowed me to have two children. Thank you for saying that. quite. I'm like all the time. And I really realized when I had kids, I'm like, no one knows what they're doing. My parents definitely had no idea what they're doing. Absolutely. We're all faking it

till we make it. A thousand percent. But back to the Disney Channel games. Yes. That was the best. Like we were so competitive because we did at Disney World. The second of 30 years, we did at Disney World. And it truly was like summer camp on steroids because we all knew each other. We all shot in the same lot. We've all known each other for so long. But they literally put us in our own little tense and my team in particular that first year we were out there when I was a captain of the red team the inferno we were so competitive like and so many of us were far too old like to be this competitive because some of the kids were really young we're like we don't care we're gonna win they had to tell us so many times to stop swearing because we were so in it like we're like in we're like in hamster

balls like like we're doing the most childish like games but taking it so serious like we literally game planned. We're like, okay, so for this, for this mini game where we have to keep the ball up in the air, this is what we're going to do. Like, we were so serious. And I mean, that's, I mean, that's how I approach sports. Like, I'm terrified for my kids are playing actual sports with games. Mac is like, I'm not allowed to go. Like, I'm not allowed to go to games. That's fair. You know, sometimes you got to recognize and you got to be self-aware and you got to be like, you know what? I'm either going with with tape over my mouth or I'm not going at all. Exactly. Now, everybody's talking about their Disney

Channel Mount Rushmore, which I saw you did you you you shared yours. I just recently shared mine. I had Miley, Hillary, you and Selena. Ma'am. Who would be your Disney Channel starting five? Oh, like if I had to. Best athletes. If you were putting, if you were putting five people on a court, who are you putting out there? Let me see. Let me get. I have to really think about this because we're actors, mind you. We're actors. So I have to think hard about this because

I mean, that'd be really hard because I love everyone. It's sports. It's not about loving them. I know. If they're an athlete, they're an athlete. I'm telling you right now, I'm literally blinking because I'm like, I,

we're not a very athletic bunch. You're like none of you were worth draft. Kind of. It's okay. I don't think I draft myself. If that's the answer. I think we could have you as the head coach. See, I would do that, but I don't think I could actually play.

You know what my mind went straight to was get your head in the game? And I was like, wait, maybe Zach or Corbyn or Luke. I was like, they're dancing. They are dancing. They are dancing. There is a finesse to dancing that could make you a little fluid on the court. True. Could have you breaking some ankles.

Like, probably that or like I'm thinking of like, do you remember like the Disney Channel movie? like, it's like, I forgot it was like double, double, double teamed or something. The two twins. Yes. I was like, I'm literally going back and going. Yes. Did they actually play? Oh, you know what?

John Sally, former Laker, former Wonderful Laker, we, he was actually in a Disney Channel original movie that I was in. So I dropped him. I dropped John Sally. That is the most. Wait, does it count? You know what? Dwight Howard was also a guest star on our show.

Look it. Jesus. I love that you're like, how can I make my way around this and make a legitimately good starting five? So I'm going to find the people who had cameos. And then I will put literally outstanding. I love that tactic. I like to win, Kylie. I like to win.

I love it so much. And anyway, outstanding. That was well done. Way to take that and just absolutely smash it. Gosh. Now, since we're talking Disney Channel,

I have to ask you about London Tippedon and the Sweet of Zach and Cody. Would you ever be down for a sweet life reunion? Oh, of course. I mean, I see, I just saw Phil Lewis recently. Dylan and I were just texting. And I saw like, I saw Ashley about a year ago. We still all see each other, but we haven't all been in the same room in such a long time. And I think that'd be so much fun because people always talk about reboots. And I think we all feel the same way where we kind of feel like we don't want to touch something that we feel like we couldn't do justice to. And because at that time,

like, we were just, we just had the best time on that show. Like, they really are like family. But a thousand percent, I would love to get everyone together in a room together because it's been so long. And I've sort of seen everyone individually, but we haven't all been in the same room

in a really long time. And I think that'd be so much fun. We're married with kids. All of us are like, it's insane. I would love it. I feel like the nostalgia would just hit so hard. And I do think that,

like you're saying, A reunion would be, it would be so refreshing. And I don't, I don't even, I mean, I wouldn't say no to a rebut. But if it's not you guys, like the nostalgia of it is you guys. So it feels so good. Maybe we need a Disney Channel games reunion. Like that would be fun. All of us so old now with our like child, like our broken bodies from having children all

together. And we'll just like play like mahjong or like gin rummy. A seated games, please. seeded games for the geriatric Disney, former Disney Channel stars. Now, I did see that your partner has said your kids don't know that London Tipton is literally you. Is that still the case? They don't understand.

Like, Mac has behind my back shown them things that I've in. Like, our oldest is really into like superheroes and like ninja turtles. And we showed them like the ninja turtles from the 90s and like three ninjas. Do you remember those movies? Yes. And so they were very into it. And Mac showed them Wendy Wu. And my son, because they're so used to watching videos of themselves and, like, digital age, they don't, they're so confused because they're like, why is mama flying across a warehouse all doing kicks? Why is mama doing backflips? And they're like, can you do that? Mama, can you do that right now? And I was like, how do I explain this to the kids that I looked at Mac? And I was like, how dare you do this to me? Because now, and so now I'm like, well, you better listen to mama. Because otherwise, Mama will be doing flying sidekicks.

from across the room. Yes. They don't understand. It's really weird for them because I think they just think this was like us when we were younger the way that they look at pictures of them when they were younger.

For me it's a little bit different because I feel like I still look the same. Like same isish. I just look younger. For Mack, they don't understand that he is Kevin. They love home alone. They watched it for the first time this past year. They love it.

They don't understand that that's their papa. Like if you ask my kids, what, like, their parents did for a living. Like, they asked my son at school, like, oh, what does your mama do for work? Because I was away for work. And the teacher told me, he goes, oh, my mama talks. She talks for a living. He's not wrong.

But that's what he thinks we do. A few other details were missed, but it's fine. Yeah. It's really hard because it's hard, like, it's not a tangible thing for, like, kids at this age to understand that their parents pretend to be other people on TV, you know? So, yeah, we're, it's like, we'll cross that bridge when we need to. We'll get there eventually. I hope so, maybe.

Now, since we're already talking motherhood, you guys have two boys. Yes. I have four girls. Wow. Yeah. When you talk with friends that have girls, what stands out as the biggest difference? My favorite thing is when my girlfriends are like, oh, I'm sitting here and we're doing our nails.

Or we're, she's there and you're doing my makeup. We're going to go have a nail day. Or my girlfriend brought her daughter for lunch and she was sitting there and just like chatting about nails. And I literally had to bring like a bag full of toys and I'm running around catching like heads and like there were my friends. That same friend sent me a video of like our situation where it's like a mom and her daughter like they're playing with dolls and they're sitting there chatting and the house looks all aesthetic. And then her friend with her boy mom friend comes in and she's like in sweats carrying like 14 bags running around. that is me. And that's, I think, the biggest difference is boys at this age just don't stop moving. Everything is tag. Mac taught them freeze tag. So I can at least like have a break.

Freeze tag. My kids love being municipal worker. So it's like, policemen take you to jail. I'm a fireman who needs to be saved. It is constant. We're like now they're into like play fighting. And I'm trying to teach them how to do it safely without like hurting. But also I don't want to like stunt their like, you know, their curiosity and their creativity. I'm like, don't we want to color? Like, no. I've like taught, no. I know, my oldest finally is like getting into card games. He loves like, Uno.

Yes. And like board games. So I'm very happy about that. But most of the time, it's like, let's play tag. Let's, let's, can I chase you, mama? And they'll like literally chase me and they're like run around car. It is, I never stop. It's work is actually the place where I take a break.

I was like full time moms. That is the hardest job in the world. Stay at home moms are like. the heroes that I will never have more than enough respect for because I say, you know, finding work balance with a working mom, like it's a different struggle, the mom guilt, all that kind of stuff. But I remember two weeks after having my first son, I, my mom who's, like, we don't have a traditional nanny.

I have my mom because Asian mom looked at us and was like, if you get a nanny, I'll be insulted. And it's like the biggest blessing in our lives. I remember looking at her after like two weeks postpart and be like, I am so sorry for anything I've ever done to upset you, to hurt you, to ever, like, cause you stress. Because being a mom is so hard and she did it with three kids and, like, being at home and, like, right, like, I don't know how she did it. Like, she truly, like, I don't know how you do it. Like, I am, it is so hard. It is so hard.

Like, right now being here is, it's been so hard being away for the kids. But it's, it's like this balance. of like figuring out, you know, the mom guilt and understanding that I truly have to be the, for me to be the best mom, I have to be the best me. And a huge part of that is work. Like that really makes me feel strong and confident. And like me, because I love my work so much in trying to do that while also being with my kids as much as I can be and also trying to teach them that you have to work. It is crazy to think that you are molding their upbringing. So like you know what your childhood did for you. And obviously, you want to try and replicate certain things and not replicate

other things. But at the end of the day, you are making what we now look back on as our childhood and what made us who we are. So that's a crazy responsibility to have. The pressure is insane. Someone once told me, just remember when you speak to your children, that is going to be their inner voice as adults. Yes. I went, thank you for reminding me. Their pressure is not enough already. to raise good children, smart children, curious children. I always say like right now, like my son is, we have one that's three and a half, one that just turned five. And it's such a tricky time because they're both so curious.

And they want to why, they want to know about everything, questions about everything. But also they're testing their boundaries and limits. And like my son the other day said to me, he goes, mom, you're always so mean to me. You're always telling me what to do. And I like got so emotional. I'd to like walk away because I went, that is not what I want to do.

But at the same time, it's like, how do you find the balance of teaching your kids what's right and wrong and what smart be? Because, you know, we like to not say good or bad. It's what's smart and not smart decisions. It's like everything has to be so intentional or like we try to be intentional about everything that we're doing, but also allowing them to still be kids and allow them to like make mistakes so they can learn on their own to have fun to not stunt that like growth and curiosity. It's so hard. My oldest, my oldest hit me with a, you're so mean. She doesn't, on a

semi-regular basis, like if I ask her not to do something or, or I'll say like that doesn't feel like a good choice, she will say, you're so mean. And I'm like, am I mean or am I? And she'll go trying to keep me safe. And I'm like, thank you so much for understanding the difference. So all the, like, on a regular basis, we have conversations about like the reason mom says no, oftentimes is to keep you or your sister safe. Because sometimes it's that I'm asking you not to launch yourself off the couch when your sister's doing tummy time in the middle of the living room. You know, like it just, the math is a mapping on that.

I cannot thank you enough for coming on today. This has been such a blast. And it is such an honor to get to talk to you. Running Point Season 2 is streaming now on Netflix. Go check it out. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. This was so much fun.

This was incredible. And that's it for this episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Brenda on my YouTube channel on more shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow on social media at NGL with Kylie for clips throughout the week. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave Original brought to you by seventh generation. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in.