Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & Caleb Hearon on “Piping Hot” NFL Tea, Homecoming Outrage & Potty Training Horror Story | Ep. 37

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Peppa Pig and starts the show by shouting out some Real One Comments of the Week, highlighting the fact that Jason did in fact find the clip of Kylie talking about his mullet last week (2:13)! Kylie then brings back “Places Kylie Has *Some* Business Being” to relive her insane experience at the Eagles game with Hannah Einbinder and explain the backstory on her superstitious decision to face away from the field at the end of the game (3:15). Then, in Doomscroll of the Week, Kylie weighs in on older generations calling out high schoolers’ homecoming dresses this year and reminisces on the best (& worst) of millennial fashion (7:40). She’s also inspired by a TikTok of an NFL fan’s girlfriend shouting “squeeze it!” during a game to then come up with even more nonsense phrases the Real Ones can test out (12:10)! After that, in response to the viral potty training clip from The Other Podcast, Kylie gives her take on potty training in the Kelce household (19:14) and also tells a hilarious bathroom story involving Bennie in a new edition of “You Know What’s F*cked Up?” (15:12) Kylie is then joined by comedian, actor and TikTok sensation Caleb Hearon (22:30)! Caleb talks about the reactions he received from Kylie mentioning his podcast on NGL and the two bond over their mutual love for each other’s work.  Kylie then asks Caleb about his brand new, debut stand up special “Caleb Hearon: Model Comedian” starting with the comment that led to him choosing that title (28:25). Caleb shares some more of his favorite comments and they also discuss the types of DMs they receive. Then, Caleb tells Kylie about what it’s like performing in Philly and also issues an apology to his Philly based fans (35:10). This leads them into talking about their Chiefs-Eagles rivalry and their favorite Chiefs players of all time (38:01). Shout out Uncle Trav. Caleb also pitches Kylie on his idea for a brand new NFL broadcast to get reality TV fans interested in the game (45:15). Kylie also asks Caleb about the viral TikTok story he told about Cooper and the cologne (50:13), as well as what it’s like to have his mom on his podcast in a special Doomscroll: Caleb Edition (53:35). Lastly, Caleb tells Kylie about acting opposite Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway in The Devil Wears Prada 2 (56:10). Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Caleb Hearon. . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show:   Peppa Pig: Your little Peppa Pig fan will be thrilled with the Walmart exclusive Oinks & Snuggles Evie doll and the adorable Peppa Dress-Up Wardrobe! Shop new PEPPA PIG toys NOW at Walmart! Watch Caleb's New Comedy Special: Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I felt an immense pressure about packing lunches this year because it was my first time. And I thought, am I going to get judged for not packing a nutritious lunch? But the number of times that lunchbox came back with a decent amount of food in it, I've succumbed to the idea that I should pack things that are healthy, but I know they won't eat. So, yeah, judge away. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave Original, brought to you by Peppa Pig. Let's jump in.

I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, former D3 athlete. That's a humble brat. That's a very humble brag. Going through a major otter face right now, shout out to Uncle Trave. I might have to go visit some soon. And according to my horoscope today, hmm. Saturn's passing through. Pisces. What the fuck does that even mean? So you know what that means? Go fucking birds.

Three and oh, baby. Give me a second. Coming up on today's episode, my doom scroll was on another level this past week. People have some strong thoughts on homecoming dresses this year. And there's a TikTok that's inspired me to give all my non-football fan real ones tips on what to say if you want a prank an NFL fan in your life. Plus, yes, I have seen you all tagging me in the potty training clip from the other podcast. I'm going to give you my take on all of it, plus a brand new edition of, you know what's fucked up? After that, I'm going to be joined by one of my favorite comedians, podcasters, and content

creators. He just put out his debut stand-up special. Guys, I'm talking to Caleb Heron. I'm so excited. But first, some real one comments of the week. First up, who told him? You guys, it was a secret. Last week, I told you guys, in confidence that Jason pulled off the Mullet look.

Now, he found the clip. He commented, Mullet is coming back, baby. No. Look what you've done. And then we got another contender for comment of the week. From at Payton Jameson, my boyfriend's six-year-old asked me to put on your podcast. Hey, can we listen to that lady talk with four kids? Your message is working.

Oh, no. First of all, don't know if that's my demographic, but chart it, ladies. Is there ever been a better description of this show? The lady that talks with four kids. That's it. That sums me up. Moving on to commemorate a rare occasion where I left the house to solely do something fun for myself, I'm bringing back one of my favorite segments, places Kylie has some business being.

That's right. Some of you may have seen, I went to the Eagles Rams game with one of my favorite birds fans and former NGL guests, Hannah Einbinder. First of all, go birds. That game was bananas. I want to be clear. There were quite a few people who acknowledged that the plans made it out of the group chat in parentheses podcast. I feel very fortunate that I get to link up with people on the podcast and get to know them a little bit.

But when you get to come together and bond over your birds fandom, it just hits a little different. So Hannah and I got the chance to cheer on the birds together. There was a moment in time where we questioned whether or not she was ever going to be allowed to come back to a game. Great news, though. Like I said, go birds. We got that W. Hannah posted this clip of all of us celebrating the blocked field goal to win the game.

Queen Emma, the clip, please. I think you can tell by my facial expression, we were a little bit excited. For our audio listeners, there was a lot of jumping, a lot of screaming, a lot of high-fiving. There was also a lot of me pointing to my chair. And why was I doing that? I'm going to tell you. because at some point where we were trying to switch the juju, I told Hannah that we needed to figure out a way, okay? So we started with Hannah facing the opposite direction. She was facing

the wall for a minute because, you know, she's committed to the bit, okay? And by the bit, I mean winning. And so we had her face backwards, but that didn't quite work. So then I was like, maybe I need a face backwards. So then I turned around and sat crisscross applesauce in my chair backwards, okay this is where it became a full team with it was a team effort and by that I mean Hannah was turned around I was turned around and a woman two rows behind us was giving me the play by play yes or no and a brief description for every single play that unfolded I reposted a video on my story of us facing away from the field you know, as Hannah wrote, to change up the energy.

And I got a ton of Real One Birds fans in my DM sharing what superstitious shit you did. I'm going to rapid fire some of those right now because I love them so much and they made me feel seen. I went and completely changed my clothes. It worked. I had to leave the room so they could score that final TD. Oh my God. I ordered a cheese steak and changed my jersey as halftime. I'm a grandma of five. Does the superstition ever end? no I went to the bathroom and plugged my ears this is a no judgment zone I walked outside in the third quarter and they scored two touchdowns came back in and they weren't looking so great

so I got sent back outside for the rest of the game can't be a jinx you're damn right you can't these are my people these are my people um you have to do what you have to do and here's the deal did me turning around and sitting crisscross applesauce backwards in my stadium seat change the outcome of the game? We don't know and that's enough for me to continue on with a delusion. Do you get it? I just, it was, it is so validating that when you're like, I have to do this in a high pressure situation,

all of a sudden it's down to a field goal. I turn around, sit backwards in my chair, and it gets blocked for the second time in yesterday's game, and run down for a touchdown. Guys, and that does it for places Kylie has some business being, and go birds. Next up, let's get into Doom Scroll of the Week. First up on Doom Scroll of the Week, I've seen a lot of TikToks from older generations. sharing their disapproval of the types of dresses, they see high school girls wearing for their homecoming dances.

And I think TikTok user with Lottie had the perfect response. I'll tell you one thing's for sure, two things for certain. If you guys saw what I wore a homecoming in the year of our Lord 2015, you would be sick. Wet seal. You would be sick and disgusted. I'm talking Charlotte Roos, stiletto heels, platform this big, dress so tight you can't wear underwear.

I'm talking short, tight, like, hello? I saw so many TikToks being like, the homecoming dresses are crazy. I go to look it up. Girl, did you ever step into a wet seal? Just let the teenage girls be teenage girls. Couple things here. She left no crumbs.

The fact that she referenced both Charlotte Roos and wet seal makes me feel like we were shopping the same mall. Second. I, it does crack me a, that for some reason, as we get older, I think that people have a tendency of forgetting that they were once them, right? Oh, I can't believe that my 17-year-old child snuck a beer out of our fridge. Would you sneak? Tell me right now. Would you sneak? Guys, we can't forget where we came from okay and you know where we came from wet seal buy one get one for a penny okay we came from

forever 21 don't wash it do not wash it forever 21 should have been called forever where it once that's it that's what it should have been called you could not wash that shit i man forever 21 may she rest in peace I don't mean to speak ill of the dead. But I will tell you right now, God rest her skimpy ass soul, okay? She had interesting fashion sense and also the weakest seams you've ever experienced on an article of clothing. So to be clear, I didn't have homecoming.

So I'm out on this. Lucky for me, I had to wait until college to wear a Charlotte Roos bodycon skirt with a tank top tucked into it as smoothly as humanly possible because body suits were not a thing and either were cropped tank tops. I said what I said. Okay. So you had to fold it and tuck it in. I had to wait until I was 21 years old to wear those. those out because I didn't have homecoming in high school. And also, I didn't have a fake ID because I'm a rule follower. And I had never snuck into a bar. And also, I am almost six feet

tall, 511. I know I've said that so many times. But I have to emphasize that here because every single time I left the house in what was a normal article of clothing, In the proper size, my father would say, try again. And that is the point to upstairs. He would point up the steps and he would say, try again. And I would say, it's your fault that my legs are this long. And it's not that the article of clothing is too short. It's that my leg in comparison makes the shorts or skirt or dress look too short.

And I still wasn't making it out of the house in that. TikToker said, let teenage girls be teenage girls. I can live by that until my girls are teenage girls. And then we'll see if I have a change of heart there. So don't know. We'll find, maybe we'll find out together. No, we won't. I won't be caught podcast.

And lastly, on this week's Doom Scroll, there's a new way non-football fans are trolling their super fan partners while watching NFL games, and it's fucking hilarious. Queen Emma? The clip, please. Yelling random phrases during football to get my boyfriend's reaction. Squeeze it, squeeze it. Squeeze it. Squeeze it is what they most.

The best part about squeeze it is that maybe you could say that it's applicable to holding the ball tighter. on a carry for ball security, but squeeze it just sounds ridiculous. This actually has inspired me to come up with some more nonsense phrases that real ones can shout to troll their football fan spouses. Number one, smack it. Variants include smack that ball, smack it to the house. Smack it in there. This next one is inspired by Boppet.

So you can really do any of these or a combo. Number two is twist it, pull it, bop it. I feel like this is a nod to the 90s. Let's just enjoy the fact that we were part of the Bopit generation. It sounds like a good time. Pop it, pull it, twist it. You can literally, you can twist it, twist it, twist it, pull it, bop it. You can do a whole combination.

That's fun. Feel free to tack on his ass to any of these. Twist his ass. Pull his ass. Pop his ass! You know, just one of those? You cannot push his ass because that's actually a valid outburst. And applicable to the birds.

Number three, hit him with the worm. The only one I really think, I think maybe this might. This might apply to a touchdown celebration, in which case, hit them with the worm. That would be outstanding. In any other situation, what? You know, when you should say hit him with the worm, you should say it when it's a bad outcome for your team. That would be fucking hilarious. Like they lose a yard or something, be like, hit them with the worm.

like what attention real ones please post a video of yourselves trying these we want to see it okay so when you're watching football this week feel free to tag us at ngl with kiley that's it for doom scroll the week all right moving on something happened to me yesterday that's given me no choice but to bring back another favorite segment you know what's fucked up hey you know what's fucked up i just accidentally picked up a literal turd off my kids bathroom floor with my my bare hand. I'm almost embarrassed to say this on the internet. I'm embarrassed to put this out into the world.

So let's start from the beginning. We've been deep into foil fun recently, and if you have any idea what foil fun is, then you understand how it is not the tidiest activity. They come with foam stickers. They're black foam stickers that you put on the little board and arrange them and then you can put these little foils down on them and make them whatever shiny color you want it's actually very fun why it is obsessed with it everyone else just likes to make a mess

but these black foam stickers then end up getting on everything and everywhere in the house and so penny and i were headed into the bathroom for a little potty party if you will and i looked down on the floor and she said oh it's poop and if anybody knows um conversations with children that span the ages of mine, which would be five to two who are speaking. My five to two age range, they're so into poop. Just, I want to say poop for every other word. An answer to a question is poop. A toilet is also a word that is an answer to anything. Fart, also an answer to anything. So really, our potty. talk is it is very exciting right now so naturally when benny points to the thing on the floor and

says is poop i thought it's just her being her normal self labeling things in the house that are not actually poop as poop because as i looked down i thought to myself oh it's a freaking sticker it's another one of the damn foam stickers stuck on the floor right wrong. I was wrong. I bent down and thinking that it was a sticker stuck to the floor with quite a bit of force. I squeezed what I thought was a foam sticker. I raw dog did. I didn't take a tissue paper. I didn't put a glove on. I thought I was picking up a fucking foam sticker. You know what it was? A tiny turd, I can't. It was a tiny turd.

Benny was right. It was poop. I think you can imagine. With a germaphobe like me, I proceeded to have a small, as the kids would call it, crash out. And I washed the skin off of my hands now. We got to the bottom of whose turn it was. And I'm not pointing any fingers, but the call was coming from inside the bathroom.

if you catch my drift and it was correctly identified by the culprit since we're already on this lovely subject of potty talk a lot of you tagged me in a clip from the other podcast where my husband and brother-in-law recently talked about potty training the clip please queen emma with wyatt she was the first one that you actually had to like proactively get her to go on the potty And the way we potty trainers, you can see them just starting to shit. Like, it ain't like hard to spot. Like she goes off in the corner and you just see her face starting to go like, do you need to poop right now?

Why? And then you're like, hey, let's go up on the potty. Once they get to a certain age, you're like, hey, let's go up on the potty. The top comment was everything about this answer tells me Kylie took the lead on potty training. Guys, I can truly say, first of all, in reference to my husband's sex, No notes. Not a single fucking note. He nailed that. There was not a single lie told. The other thing is, I will, I'm not going to lie. Pottie training, as I think most people know, is a team effort. I don't think there was ever like a coaching up moment where I was like, all right, Jason, this is what we're going to do. We didn't huddle up about potty training. It's as clear as Jason It was just that you could tell when they go to hide behind a chair that the time is upon us. And then you just got to scoop them up before that happens.

And that is where it becomes a team effort. Whoever's in the room and catches the child sneak behind a chair, that's the person who's like, grab them. And then you got to run. It is a, they're going because they're ready, right? They're going behind the chair because they're ready. or they're going into the corner in the other room because they're ready. So you have to run.

So it's kind of like a little athletic event that it's like, scoop the kid, get them upstairs, pants them and get them on the potty as quick as possible. Team effort. That's it for, you know what's fucked up? Caleb Heron is coming up. But first, Peppa Pig. As the real ones know, my love language isn't necessarily receiving gifts, but you know whose is all of my children.

Yes, Wyatt, Ellie, Benny, and I'm sure soon Finn love presents for any and all occasions. Wyatt is already talking about her birthday and we are two weeks out from it. She tried to call it her birthday month and I had to explain that birthday actually contains the timeline within it. Well, luckily, they don't have to wait until their birthday or holidays because I've got a bunch of new Peppa Pig toys here. I know they're going to be so excited about. Joining me on set today, we have the brand new Oinks and Snuggles, Evie. doll. In honor of mummy pig welcoming the new baby Evie, and my girls love a baby doll. They love them so much. I would say right now, Benny is the one who loves baby dolls the most. So she is going to be all over

baby Evie. Oinkston Snuggles Evie also has 20 sound effects your kids can activate. Whether it's a birthday, a special treat, or a holiday surprise, your little Peppa Pig fan will be thrilled with the Oinks and Snuggles Evie doll, available exclusively at Walmart, shop online and in stores near you. He's the hilarious actor, writer, and comedian you know from his hit podcast so true. His TikTok videos that have achieved so funny, you'll pee your pants laughing status in my book. And now his brand new debut stand-up special Model Comedian streaming now on HBO. Caleb Herron, welcome to Not Gonna Lie. Hi, I'm so excited to be here. I am so excited to have you because I was introduced to you via TikTok and clips from your podcast. So true. I think that your wit and

intelligence and speed are all just put on display there. And it is so satisfying to watch. Thanks. Not to mention your friendship with Drew Off Wallo, who I had the pleasure of speaking to, I'm not going to lie. Brittany Browski, like watching you guys riff off of each other is one of the funniest things I've ever watched. They're the best and funniest and smartest. If I've ever said anything funny,

it is, there's at least a 60% chance it's because of something that happened in our friendship. Like, I just think they're, I think they're so funny. And when we get together, it's like my favorite thing.

I also have to tell you that, you know, there are these random things that happen that like, I've been doing comedy for a long time. And there'll be a little milestone type things that, you know, people from your past will reach out about, like someone from high school or whatever. And it's sweet. I have never in my life, no, no show, no accomplishment, no anything, never gotten so much outreach as when you shouted me out on your show. When the I heart thing happened and you're like, oh, Caleb's show is up too.

And said that you like the show. I have never in my life got more people that I haven't spoken to in years texting me and going. I'm so sorry. Kylie knows who you are. No, it was so, it's just always the funniest. I'm like, I'm like, I love Kylie too. But damn, they are coming out of the woodworks. They love you.

That's very sweet. I, I said it then and I fucking meant it. Okay. The best part is, is that when I, when we were talking about a rundown that day, I was like, why? Why? Why? I. So vote for Caleb.

No, same. I'm like, I mean, I think, you know, to your, like earlier you were joking about, and I don't know if this makes into the episode or not, but you were joking about being like unprofessional professionals and being like, we're just kind of flying by the seat of our pants. And I think I know that that's what people really respond to about you and why you do deserve to win awards, that one and others. People really feel like you are their friend because you're a regular nice person who's like, I just think that there's so many great things about you. and I am a fan and I think that the biggest one and why you won that award and will probably win a whole bunch more is because people really see you and they go, oh, that's how I would do it

if I was in that position. It feels very human the way that you're handling all of this. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate that. I appreciate those kind words. I just truly think that if that is what people are attached to, I mean, that's all I've got. I keep like, I've met people in person who are like, I just love how, like, real you are. And I'm like, that's all I've got. I don't know how to be anybody else. I'm just going to be me. So you either like it or you don't. But if you don't, suck my ass. Leave it in. Leave it in. Leave it in. It's, yeah, it's, I mean, it's, you know, from podcasting, it's like you, week to week, you're like, this is what I'm going to say and this is my opinion and like people either latch on or they don't and they either get your humor or they

don't but i i mean back to you because i really think that you are one of the funniest people on the internet specifically i really the i could not watch your clips specifically and also with drew and brittney brosky i could not watch your clips while i was pregnant because my bladder control couldn't handle it. I'm not exaggerating. There were times where I would have to like scroll away from it to like breathe and then scroll back and be like, okay, give it to me again. It is the way you guys go back and forth to each other, the banter you have, it is, I mean, I'm full fan girl, like aggressively fan girl. Thanks, dude. That's so nice. And it's, I love that it comes from like a place, a place of positivity. Like you guys will like poke fun,

and like joke around but ultimately it's like comes from a place of positivity and like being good people and wanting good for people i think it's just not that deep i think nothing should be that serious i feel like we've a whole bunch of us that we the collective royal we all of us that we're all the life we're all participating in capital l so many of us have gotten so serious and so like there's these like sacred subjects and sacred topics and sacred feelings that no one's supposed to I just am like everybody relax like let's calm down this is supposed to be fun we only get to do this once like let's have a fucking nice time let's let's laugh at how ridiculous this all is it's insane that we're like spinning on a rock in space that's fucking crazy we made up all these rules about you just stop and think sometimes about everything we made up for ourselves to exist in every day and you're like this is stupid we should be making fun and laughing this is crazy yes now I have so many things I want to ask you about your new stand-up special. But first of all, congratulations. Thanks, dude. Thank you. Once again, it's model comedian. It's streaming now on HBO and HBO Max. Now, one of the things that you

discuss in your special is the name of the special model comedian. And we're going to, if you're okay with it, show the clip. Oh, yeah, yeah. Amazing. Queen Emma roll the clip, please. I'm not even so mad anymore at people who are mean to me on the internet. Now I've kind of turned my eye or I'm more mad at like when my fans try to defend me and they're bad at it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like someone commented on a video of mine and he was like, I don't get the hype with this guy.

He's ugly as fuck. I read that and I was like, shout out, you know? And I was like, let's just let it be, you know? And then I saw one of my fans respond to him and say, uh, he's a comedian, not a model. hey hey what no fuck now now get to my office now now i say i don't look at the comments but occasionally i do take a peek what is i know you said you haven't looked that much is there one that sticks out one that one that is is staying with you yes on the special oh god

i'm i really i really have not looked that much i'm trying to uh get a better relationship with that. I think I have a pretty good one, but I'm trying to get even better at it. There was one that made me laugh that was on one of HBO's TikToks that I saw from some girl, it was like all lowercase and it was like, are we sure he's not Filipino?

He looks just like my uncle, who is Filipino? And I was like, incredible. Thank you. I love that. I just love the idea of their Filipino investigating me in the comments. And I would love. I would love to be Filipino.

It's just not my truth at this moment. But it really cracked me up. The idea that maybe we're hiding it. Is there a comment overall that has been your favorite throughout your career, throughout TikTok, your comedy, all of it? Is there a comment that you haven't shared maybe that really it still sits with you? A comment that still sits with me. I there was a guy I don't know if I've ever talked about this but I randomly do have a lot of like Republican kind of conservative fans which cracks me up because I am making fun of them all the time

now I do make fun of everybody but I'm just like specifically I'm so ideologically opposed yeah but I did uh I don't know I didn't look into the profile so I don't know if this was like one of my gay fans being silly or if this was genuine but someone commented once on there's some viral video of me on someone else's podcast or something and they commented they said I'm homophobic but this guy is funny and I absolutely love that so much that is one of my favorite things that's wildly self-aware first of all it's just like that is such a huge compliment because a big part of my thing is that I'm a gay guy. So like you really have to be rocking with the material to break through that. Look at you just, I mean, you're breaking down

barriers is what you're doing. That's what that is. That's busting down barriers. That's incredible. Some guy did miss me. I don't know if I, if I have it to read it to you directly. Some guy did message me right after the special came out like the night after and said, I am a straight white male Navy veteran, Catholic, like, listed all these things. And he was like, and I just saw your HBO special and I'm a fan. And I was like, okay. I was like, hey, I don't think you'll probably be hanging around for long, but I love that we got there for a moment and what a beautiful window we shared together in my DMs.

Rock on, brother. Now, do you find that you set the boundary of not reading comments? Does that include DMs? I read the DMs probably more often than I read the comments because I am interested in, I'm interested in how people behave when they think no one's perceiving. Like it is, it is very sociologically interesting to me. When people behave badly in the public comment section, I'm like, oh, you're not a real hater. You are, have some kind of embarrassment kink and you're hoping that I'll like go off on you and give you attention. It's an instigator.

Like you're trying to pull either shit from you or shit from the rest of the people commenting. Yeah, you're lonely and you like someone to look at you. And that's actually quite sad and not very fun. But when you DM me some hateful shit, you're really about that. Like, this is for the love of the game. Like, you really don't like me. And so when I stumble across one of those, I find it sociologically interesting. But mostly my DM requests are lesbians, just responding like, go, girl.

It's really nothing. It's usually pretty fun. in there. So I don't read comments very often. I don't, I don't want to fill my free time with that. And so I don't read comments often, but every so often, I hit like maybe 10 DMs. And I'm like, I'm good for a while. That's, that was not that fun.

I can't imagine your DMs because you have so many unique axes. there's all these men that are fans of your husband and your brother-in-law and then there's all these people that are fans of you know uh taylor who like i'm sure the dms are crazy and then on just like a baseline kind of beneath all of that you're a woman on the internet with a platform so that is already psycho i kind of can't imagine the firestorm that's going off in your dms actually if you ever want a good just uh just sit down and sort of veg in it i'll let you log into my instagram you can have had. I do. Yeah, I'll hit you up. Now, leading in to this special, I'm assuming that you toured all over the country. I've asked every touring comedian and musician this question

when I've had them on. So I'm about to do it again. Where does Philly rank in your favorite places to perform? I actually, oh, Philly an apology. And I'm really glad you're bringing this up. And you didn't tell me you were going to ask this, but I, I'm so glad that it's coming up. because Philly is genuinely one of my favorite places to tour, and I love doing shows there. Are you just saying this because it's me? Because the next part of that was that I will take it personally. No, no, it's not just because it's you. I genuinely, and I actually have a funny Philly story that I'll tell you, but I love performing in Philly.

The shows there are always fantastic. The audiences are incredible. There's a real, like, good comedy scene there, so like a sensibility and an understanding of, like, how to behave at shows. I was saving Philly. I didn't put Philly on my last, my So True live tour because I was saving those ticket sales to go to Philly and do some test shows of the hour

before I recorded this special. That was the, I haven't said this anywhere. But Philly was pissed at me. They're in my DMs or in my comments. They're like, is this about the Super Bowl? I'm like, no, they're livid with me. And I'm like, I can't tell you because the shows aren't confirmed.

And then I ended up not being able to make it work in my schedule to go to Philly and do the test shows either. So I ended up skipping Philly, much to my own sadness on a whole tour cycle. That is my apology to Philly, and I'm going to do something really big in Philly next time I go on tour. My funny Philly story is that my friend John is from Philadelphia. He's a huge Eagles fan. Shout out John. And his parents came to my most, yeah, my most recent show in Philly, like a year and a half ago.

And his parents are lovely, incredible, wonderful human beings who I adore. I've met them multiple times. And afterwards, I'm chit-chatting with his mom. And his dad's like, I was, I had, was, there was a guy who came to the show that I was going to hook up with after the show. He was like a guy that I hook up with in Philly. Whatever. It's like that sometimes.

No one worry about it. And I had like, the guy had come over and they had been, he walked away to get a drink or something. Like, who's that? And I was like, oh, that's a guy I'm going to hook up with later. But right now we're chit-chatting, you know? And his dad, my buddy's dad has like walked away. and I'm like, where's, where's your dad?

And he goes, oh, he's leaving. And so I ran after him and I was like, you're going to leave without saying goodbye to me, no hug? And he goes, he turns around and I can't do a Philly dad accent. But he goes, he's like, an Italian guy, he's like, I thought you were going to get some ass. And I was like, no, I'm hanging out with you guys right now. But that was, that's one of my favorite is. But right now I'm talking to you. Everybody's going to get late.

Everybody's going to get late. don't worry about that. Right now, it's family time. But it really cracked me up. How supportive. We love a supportive king. And being like, oh, if you're trying to get late, I'll leave. Like, that's, that.

Let me excuse myself. That's beautiful. But come back here. You just have to come and impart your comedy on us. We just need you to drop it right in Philadelphia where it belongs. I'm in such a tough place with Philly right now because obviously the Chiefs and Eagles of it all and I'm such a massive lifelong chiefs fan. I mean, I was there when it was like pre-Andy, pre-travis, like it was when things were bad. It wasn't that fun. Yeah. It was not fun. And my problem

with Philly right now is that like obviously the Eagles are like fucking untouchable, but so goddamn likable. Jalen Hertz is like just like the most likable. I'm really kind of mad. I keep trying to find angles to get the rivalry interesting. And I've got nothing. Nothing on Jalen Hertz, and I'm just like, I'm kind of sick of it. I've got had it. It's making it really hard to have a proper feud, you know? I do appreciate so much that your chiefs fandom spills into your relationship with the Philly, like the city of Philadelphia as a whole. I respect that on a level I can't even explain. I got booed. I brought up the chiefs on stage at my last Philly show and they booed me.

And doesn't that feel like, I feel like, I feel like, warm hug. It does. It felt like family. I was like, I love that about y'all. Right. I mean, we do it to them to, if they were not doing as well as they are right now, we'd be booing them too. It's love. It's all love. And I do feel it. With the Kansas City Chiefs, do you have a favorite player. I'm not expect, I'm not, you don't have to say my brother at all. I my my dad's favorite player was Derek Thomas um and so he's always been kind of up there for me um my favorite player right now is probably i probably Isaiah Pacheco I'm really I just love him I love his energy I love his vibe um probably yeah probably Isaiah but Travis shout out to Travis I know that I know

that you don't want me to say him but of course I don't want you to say him if it's not him obviously he is my favorite chief forever and always but I don't want you to say him just because you think that's what I want to hear no I do love Travis I love Travis and that's the wrong answer yeah and now I wanted to hear it and now we're actually beefing for two reasons um no I one thing I love about all the the guys on the team right now is how much they and Travis is a big part of this how much they turn show up for the city like they They're always at the charity events. They're always doing all of the stuff around town.

And I feel like that the cool part about football to me and what I'm always trying to tell people who don't give a shit about football, which is a lot of people in my life. I'm like, it's when it's going well, it's so good for the whole city. It's like things happen because people are excited about the team. And I think that's the thing I love the most about it. That's honestly, Travis has given us the best glimpse into Kansas City because of the things that he gets involved in there. and just, I mean, in terms of like charitable stuff, he introduced us to something that he holds really near and dear to his heart, which is Operation Breakthrough. And I've actually gotten a chance to go and visit and to see projects that they're working on and they're actually working

on one for Jason right now. It's one of the coolest places I've ever visited. The people there are incredible. But those are, like that's how Travis, that's how I've learned about Kansas the city through Travis's lens. And it really is football, charitable efforts, things that he feels strongly about. And then delicious barbecue. And I am so down for all of it. Yeah. It's a, it's a really awesome town. I really, I love it here so much. And I love anybody who loves it. And Operation Breakthrough is incredible. And like, Travis and a lot of those guys are at, they do stuff for like Big Slick every year with Sedakis and Paul Rudd and all those guys and Heidi Gardner. And I, yeah, I just think it's, I think it's really cool.

and I think it's good for a city to have something to be excited about. Yes. Now, not to bring up any hard topics now that we're mending these broken spots. A couple weeks ago, the Chiefs and Eagles played. Yeah. Anything? Any thoughts about that? In my opinion, no, they didn't.

As far as I'm concerned, that didn't happen. Yeah. What I will say, I will say this. One of the times that the Eagles and Chiefs played in regular season was the year that the Eagles won the Super Bowl. And that year, the Chiefs won the regular season game. Right. Who knows what that means. So maybe.

Here's what I can contribute. Okay. I think that the NFL should have a broadcast option. Shouldn't be the main broadcast. I don't want to mess with the main product. You guys do your thing. There should be a broadcast option that is a panel of three people. One of them is a dyed in the wool ex-NFL, like classic commentator, like exactly what you'd expect.

One is a gay guy who knows ball. And one is a third person who knows nothing about the game, the teams, or anything that's going. on. I can ask questions. Yes. And that person's job is to go like, wait, why, when they throw down the yellow thing, what is that? You know, and then it's, so it's a spectrum of experiences and knowledge. I think this broadcast would completely revolutionize the watching experience. I love that so much. I think it would be cool. Because I do think there are a bunch of spaces where people have tried to capture the idea of let me explain football. Let me help you get involved. Let me help you

understand. Yeah. But watching it live and doing it simultaneously would be the best way to consume that. Yeah. And you, I'm so into this. You need someone to explain it. Like I, my personal mission in life has been to get girls and gays into football, the ones who don't care. And I have found so many fun ways to do it. One is talking about how hot some of the players are. That gets some people in. But the bigger one is when you can explain it kind of like real housewives, when you're like, okay, the reason that the Packers playing the Cowboys is so interesting this week is because Micah Parsons and the Cowboys just went through a huge breakup. And now he's with someone new. And now he's going out and he knows his ex is going to be

there with his new girl. And he's got to show up. He has to show out. Like this is, you have to, you know what that's like. So explaining the drama of the league, because there is so much drama all the time. This is the stuff we need to be talking about. Honestly, the idea of doing it during a broadcast is Chef's Kiss. I don't think there's anything that could, it just sounds it sounds perfect. And I do think that that is exactly what you're saying about the drama. It is and it runs deep. The tea is piping hot and they don't even know.

The tea is piping hot. Who had the chance to draft who and didn't? How are they doing now? Where do they play? Who used to play here but doesn't anymore? It's all good. I mean, Baker Mayfield alone, you could get into like, was in Cleveland, not in Cleveland? You know what I mean?

Like, we're like, what was that breakup like? and then how is he doing with like you know what I mean I just how are you thriving in your next relationship I like this it's really interesting right or like uh Russell Wilson just got benched for Jackson Dart to start this is like regardless of how you feel about it this is a deeply interesting like human story and when you're watching the game through that lens it's actually so much more nuanced and interesting than like I like when guys hit each other it's like there's actually I think even the like the most broiest like man straight guys who love football, whether they know it or admit it. They also love the drama.

It's part of it for them. Absolutely. They've just figured out how to frame it in a way where they're like, they're like, it's masculine. It's like, no, he did just break up with the owners of the Cleveland Browns. It's real housewives. Yeah. This is your real housewives. Yeah. Yeah. No. And like the drama in the locker room that occasionally leaks and you're like, no one's going to talk about how like a quarterback and the receivers don't get along, but he's supposed to throw to the them on a weekly basis and they're supposed to do it together as a team? Like, what are we talking about? This is group dynamics. This is drama. This is good stuff. So we need, I think we need a broadcast that delves into all of this. I really like that. I like that a lot. Hit us up. We've got

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Now, I'd love to switch gears here and do a segment with you. I like to call Doom Scroll the week. Cool. The segment is basically that I like to Doom Scroll. It's how I turn my brain off. And I feel like you're probably going to be very good at breaking down some of these clips. Great. This is Doom Scroll Caleb Edition.

This is a snippet from an all-time classic where you tell the story of Cooper and the Cologne. Cooper always got compliments on smelling really good. I was like, okay, I know how I can be really popular is if I just figure out what Cologne Cooper wears. And he'll probably tell me because he was so cool to me about the pants. Yeah, he was so chill about my moose uncle. He was so chill about it. That's fucking Ohana. That's fucking familial right there.

That's familial, finiklia, that's gang, that's fam. And so I said, Cooper, what clone do you wear? And he said, oh, I don't, it's just like, I don't know, my mom gets it for me. And I go, oh, yeah, but like, what is? Which am I getting a chance being like, Cooper, do you even know, like, what the bottle is there? I'm being so persistent because finally, I go, I need to know what clone you wear. And he goes, if I tell you, will you just stop talking to me? And I go, can I go?

And I go, yeah. Now, first of all, this clip has 13.5 million views. Crazy. Have you heard from Cooper? No. You know, it's so funny. This story has taken, it was a throwaway story on the show. It's not like material that I planned or something.

It just kind of came up and it has taken on a life of its own to an extent where like every one of my comment sections is like, what color is the box, coop? And I'm like, oh my God. Like, it really will never die the story. But I will say the, he's not, he's not reached out. I don't know where he is in the world. Shout out to him. But the, I, there's not enough appreciation is, as much as that clip is watched and talked about and beloved, there's not enough appreciation for the fact that the true comedy

in that clip, uh, comes from Drew and Brittany. They are the, like, they are teeing everything up. They are making the bit move. They are, there is no, there's nothing funny or watchable or interesting about that clip. If it's not for how brilliant. and funny those two are and I sometimes get annoyed that I'm like it's not it's people like hate praise on me or try to like pit us against each other but I'm like they are the engine that makes that actually funny yeah I that this is one of the clips that I could not watch pregnant

they're so funny they're so funny dude it's the laughter in the background it's as if you're like listening in on like a friend's story and you're laughing at like they're sad like like you're you're like you're almost like commiserating with them in your laughter of like god that must have really sucked in hindsight but in that moment you were like I tell me the fucking club yeah tell me what it is um middle school is so brutal dude and you just want to oh you want to fit in none of your kids are there yet are they no good god no that's what i thought they're all they're all young but the it's just middle school is such a like you just do anything because you also have started to understand by the way and part of what that

story is about really is like you've started to understand social capital and you've started to understand that certain people have it and certain people don't and that they get it through various things right and you don't know that that's what it is because you're a child but yes it's uh yeah you just i remember being that age and how badly you felt like anything could change or ruin your life on a dime like every little thing felt like it was the consequences of the whole world crashing down on you yep and that's an inherently funny place to be because when the stakes are high for somebody who doesn't know how silly their thing is, that's like, it's a comedy 101. It's so funny. Yeah, middle school is trash. And if you can like get a laugh out of that much pain,

God bless. It's a tough time. It is, it is crazy how much transition happens. And I don't know how your schools are structured out there, but our middle school was three years when I was in it. And it was, it felt like it was the three shittiest years. It was like, how did we cap, how did we capsule this? and then put us all in a school together and like, let's fucking see what happens. A unique hell of like, yeah, Word of the Flies. It was ridiculous. It's wild.

It's wild. Okay. Our other clip for Caleb Doomscroll, you've had your mom on your show a couple times. I love this clip in particular, Queen Emma. Do you think about me all the time? Well, you're a part of me. See, but that's a crazy thing to say to someone.

I'm a part of you. You are a part of me. And I like that you feel that way. You're a great mom. Do you know that cells actually cross back and forth from a child to a mother when they're in the womb? Yeah, but that happens so long ago for us. They say that the cells stay in there. But even after you have the child, you still have some of their cells inside of you.

I think that's why moms are so good to their children and their children break their hearts because they don't have any cells from the mom and then. So you think that there's cells from me and you and you think that's why you can't stop texting me? dude she's the funniest uh coming from someone who admittedly calls their mom multiple times a day uh i don't i don't i mean do you have any advice for me because i feel like you're trying to create a degree of separation in that clip my mom no i'm a total look i even have the tattoo to prove it i'm a total mama's boy um i love her down she's the funniest person i have ever met my whole life like my mom is the coolest best i

it's funny because some people I that one the clips of my mom all kind of get a bunch of attention because she how charming she is but some people did get mad at that episode that they're like oh he's being so mean to her and I'm like oh no we're friends and we're playing

like we're kidding I love this she texts me all the time I was at I was at her house last night actually I went over there for dinner yeah she's the coolest and I don't actually want separation from her but she does text like such a mom Like, it really is like, if I don't text back for one hour, I'm a full grown adult with like a job that happens all the time.

Yeah. If I don't text back for an hour, hi, just wondering if you're upset with me or if everything's okay, shit like that where I'm like, girl, you got to get a grip. Oh, it feels a little, it feels a little cooperie. By the way, now where do we think I got it from? I can't imagine being a parent, dude. It must be, I can't imagine how much she actually is exercising restraint. I feel like if I created a human being from my body, I would be every minute of the day, like, why isn't it talking to me? Now, the last thing I'd love to talk to you a little more about is your acting career where you are officially going to be in The Devil Where's Prada 2.

Yeah. How fucking cool is that? That's really crazy. I can't believe they're doing that. I mean, that's really nuts. I'm like, what are y'all thinking? I, yeah, I actually wrapped it already. So my, my scenes are done.

And it was like the coolest most surreal. I mean, I watched the original Devil Wears Prada as like a closeted gay kid in Missouri when I was like 11 years old, you know? And it meant so much to me. Yeah, being a part of the new one is just crazy, cool. And all those people who worked on the original, a lot of them are back. The writer, the director, the cast, like the costume people, like so many of them. the original people and they're all just the most generous, lovely people. So it was a really cool one to do. Now, were you starstruck in meeting the cast? You know, not really. I don't,

not really, but I will say, uh, it was cool and it was, it was, um, more than being starstruck about like, oh, Merrill Streep is here. It was more like, oh, I have to act. That was the thing that I was like, it's not really meeting them as a human being. It was more like, oh, acting in front of Merrill Street. So would anyone like to just kill me instead? I mean, like, that's so like, what are you talking about? Like, I was so, uh, cognizant of my, the pressure performance and abilities in a way that I'm not normally. I normally at work, I'm just very like, I'm very fucking good at this. I know what I'm doing. I was hired for a reason. And, and especially when it's comedy, I'm like, there's no one that could, could tell me anything about a comedic performance that would make me feel

anything other than like either that was constructive or they're crazy. Like no one could make me feel like I don't at least have a take. But acting in front of such legends, Ann Hathaway too, I mean, most of, yeah, it really is crazy. Now, what is it, there's been photos from the set in New York and all that. What does it feel like to be involved in something that people are so excited about? Well, it's really funny because all the gay publications are going nuts with like, Caleb Heron stars and Devil Wears Prada too. And I'm like, we need to walk back the word stars very quickly because I'm not starring in it baby I am long on that call sheet but it's really cool and really neat and it's so funny that it's another one of those things

that people reach out about a lot that it's like a bunch of people who haven't you know maybe kept up with what I'm up to or whatever from home or anything that they're like oh this is crazy and I agree with them so it feels really nuts now I just asked Regina Hall this same question about girls' trip and scary movie sequels. She gave me absolutely nothing. So, Caleb, I'm hoping that you can give me a little something. Is there anything you can tell us about the sequel?

No, there's not. They won't let me. I know. Isn't it sick? It's really sick, especially for it to hire someone like me where it's like all I do is I almost, I'm not kidding you. If you watch close enough, you'll see like 45 seconds ago. I almost revealed something that I straight up cannot say.

And I had to like cut myself off and move on. No, I will say this. This is what I've been giving people that I can tell you, people in my life who have asked. I am very skeptical of remakes and sequels. I overall think Hollywood is trending towards a place of unoriginality that is making me quite annoyed. So I read this script with a sense of skepticism and maybe came in with a bit of a feeling of like, this is going to have to be extra good to convince me. And as a fan of the original, it was that good.

It is like worth it. I understand why they're doing it. I feel really good about where it picks up and how the story develops. Aline Broch McKenna, who wrote the first. and this one really knows what the fuck she's doing. And I think if you're a fan of the original, you'll be really, really happy with this one. That's very exciting.

I'll take that. That feels good. I like that. I'm very much looking forward to it. I cannot thank you enough for coming on Not Gonna Lie today. You can watch Caleb's hilarious stand-up special model comedian streaming now on HBO and HBO Max. You are incredible.

Again, I am so, so grateful that you came on today. and I'm so looking forward to continuing to watch everything that you do and cheer you on and obviously see you in The Devil Wears Prada too. Thanks, dude. Thank you for having me. And likewise, it's a real treat. Thank you very much. Absolutely.

And go birds, but also go chiefs. Yeah, both in many ways. And let's just mend that. What's men that now? We're shaking on it. Thank you. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Caleb on my YouTube channel

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