Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & Ed Sheeran on His Favorite Duets, Raising Their Girl Squads & The Most Feral Kelce | Ep. 26

Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Toyota and kicks the show off with some very exciting news the Real Ones have been waiting for since we launched the show (1:11)! Kylie then gets honest about a new parenting trend called “Feral Child Summer” where kids have less structured days, play freely outside and have very little screen time (3:24). Kylie shares her own experiences with “feral summers,” how she feels about it for her girls and which one of her kids gets the title of “most feral Kelce child.” Also, in Doomscroll of the Week, Kylie is inspired by a TikTok of a woman’s father-in-law walking in on her pumping and shares how her dad and father-in-law react whenever she feeds Finn (8:06). She also gives her official tips for people who may not know how to act when a woman is breastfeeding near them. Then, Kylie is joined by Grammy Award winning superstar and one of the best-selling artists in history – Ed Sheeran (13:33)! Kylie and Ed talk about raising all girls in their households and the music and movies their daughters love (14:10). After that, Kylie asks Ed about his new album “Play” coming out in September and which songs his daughters love the most (22:52). Ed shares how he plays his new music for his wife and kids often to get their feedback. Kylie and Ed also get into where Philly ranks as far as his favorite U.S. cities to perform in, what he loves about Philadelphians and which artists they think are the “cheat codes” for bringing on stage to get the greatest crowd reactions in their hometowns (26:22). Then, Kylie asks Ed about his incredible “Dive” duet with singer Ellie Banke who Kylie’s a major fan of from all her song covers on TikTok (33:05). Ed also tells Kylie which of his own duets are his favorites of all time.  Lastly, Kylie and Ed rave about their mutual love for the movie Love Actually (40:30) and Ed shares his go-to fatherhood advice he likes to give first time dads (43:57). Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Ed Sheeran! P.S. Kylie announces some big news in this episode… (it will be available @ 12pm ET!)  . . . Support the Show:   Toyota: To learn more about the Toyota Sienna, please visit https://www.toyota.com/sienna/ Ed Sheeran’s New Album “Play” Is Out 9/12! https://es.lnk.to/playWE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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out of my space. Don't even intervene. It's my time. Coming up on today's episode, I'm going to get honest about a new trend, Feral Child Summer. And after that, you're going to hear my conversation with one of the bestselling artists in history. I have so little business speaking to them. It's the one and only Ed Sheeran. But before we get to any of that, I have a very special announcement. This is something the real ones have been asking for since the minute we launched the show.

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Don't wear it with your children. Don't do that. You'll never get to wear it again. Don't do that. You know, it'd be kind of fun though. If you do get a stain on it, just tie dye it. Duh. There's also hats.

Let's see. We got NGL in this cool light wash denim. Wait, we're not done. We're not done. This is the no business being here. I should wear this everywhere. Everywhere I go. I have no business being there. Okay. Everything is available to purchase right now at nglkylie.com. And if you just so happen to own the URL nglwithkylie.com, number one, smooth. Number two, fuck you. Number three, can I have it? Can I have it? Can I have it back? Can I have it? That's all. Check it out. Let us know what you think about what we are putting out. The first rollout at NGL with Kylie. And if you think we're missing something,

let us know. Moving on to a brand new edition of Can I Be Honest? This week, can I be honest about Feral Child Summer? Last summer was brat summer. I'm still not 100% sure what brat summer meant. I have to be totally transparent. Is getting pregnant brat? Was I brat last summer? Why was it green? Why was brat green?

Was it just like the album? These are the things I think when I'm trying to keep up with the younger generation. It's not going great. This summer, there's a new trend I'm seeing on a lot of parent blogs, Tik TOK, local news. It's called feral child summer. What? According to an article from the EveryMom, Feral Child Summer seems to refer to a parenting approach that encourages unstructured free play and outdoor time for children during the summer. Time for kids to reconnect with nature, family, often involves less screen time.

Oh, stop reading it like that, Kylie. I'm fine, I'm professional, no I'm not. That's going to be in a blooper reel, isn't it? Two sides of this, I love the idea of Feral Child Summer. I personally, when I was growing up, still remember playing Ghost in the Graveyard, Kick the Can, going out and playing those games in the neighborhood throughout the summer, specifically summer nights. We used to play it a lot. I currently will unleash my children into the backyard. We have a play set. I will unleash them onto the play set and just sort of

like if one of them ends up digging out a rock, have at it. If another one ends up climbing up the play set, having a whole pretend play situation or scenario made up. Great. And I'm totally down for, I was always a bug hunt kid. If you weren't a bug hunt kid, I'm sorry you missed out on that. We had stepping stones in our yard growing up that I would go and flip over on my blog, a bug hunt to find the roly polys centipedes, earthworms. I loved that shit. I love it. Um, I don't know that I've ever loved Queen Emma input during the episode as much as I love what she just typed into the rundown. Queen Emma said, and I quote, that's where I found my worms for my pet turtles. I love it here so much. I love it. I love guys. When I hype up Queen Emma, I mean every word. Perfection. But seriously, bug hunts

were the thing the other day I had to show my kids how to catch fireflies carefully so that you can let them, everybody knows they climb up to the highest point. Same as a ladybug. If you've caught ladybugs, you know that. They climb. I can't wait for Brad to just speed this whole part up. Put it in like, and just me talking about. I was a bug hunt kid. If that wasn't clear. Guys, I pick up spiders in my house and take them outside. I love bugs. Hate mice. Hate mice.

I don't use the word hate very often. Mice can fuck right off. I mean that with my whole chest. My most feral child I would just like to, I for a very long time thought for sure it was Elliot. No one was going to rival her. She was going to take home the title no matter who came along because she achieved the utmost level of feral. And then Bennett turned two. And that one is tactical and feral, which is more threatening. It's

more threatening and concerning. She is the child who is licking surfaces. It's gross is what it is. And also she's constantly scheming. So that's kind of concerning. She will purposely do things when you've turned around, which seems fucked up. And that does it for Can I Be Honest. Moving on, let's get into doom scroll of the week. As someone who is currently breastfeeding and often in situations where I need to do it in public settings, don't worry before you freak out and write some dumb ass article to be like, Kylie breastfeeds in public. You're fucking. I do, but I'm always covered. And most people wouldn't even know that I'm breastfeeding when I'm breastfeeding in public. Okay. If I wasn't covered, that is actually not a concern of yours. Uh, this Tik TOK it hits home. Queen

Emma hit it. When your father-in-law walks in on you pumping, the idea of it being this person's father-in-law who rolls out, this applies to both eds. If you don't know this already, I have a big ed, Jason has a big ed, both of our dads are big ed. Okay. ready. I have a big Ed Jason has a big Ed. Both of our dads are big Ed. Okay. My dad in true big ed fashion dad joke through and through says two eds are better than one. Okay. Finn, a little fussy, does she need to eat? All of a sudden they disappear. It's like a flash. And suddenly they disappear into thin air. Okay. I, my move is, and if you are a first time mom or you are not a mom yet or you need some tips for a friend, I love the muslin blankets.

I tie two of the corners together and I slip it over my head like a backwards cape. It's my fourth child. I feel like I have figured out how to stay completely covered. I don't know that over my four children so far, because there's still time with Finn, that I have nip slipped on a breastfeed. But on more than one occasion, someone will come in and I will be breastfeeding completely covered. And someone will be like, Oh, I'm

sorry. And I'm like, I don't know what we're apologizing about. You actually haven't seen my boobs. So I will say it does help that I am a proud member of the itty bitty ditty committee and it's kind of hard to see a boob past a kid's head anyway, but I stay covered because that's my choice. That's my choice. It's not every woman's choice and that's okay. Now a lot of people don't know how to act when a woman is breastfeeding literally anywhere in their vicinity, but as a mom currently doing it, I've got you covered with my official

tips on how to behave when you're around a breastfeeding mother. Tip number one, continue doing exactly what you were doing before mom started feeding her baby. This includes not saying any awkward shit or offering unsolicited commentary, feeling free not to run away, remain seated if you were previously, not staring at her boobs or even the opposite, blatantly staring up at the ceiling. Don't do that. You're making it weird. You're being weird.

Act natural. If you are in the middle of eating a sandwich, doing a crossword or spilling some great gossip, you're going to go ahead and keep doing those things. And that's it. That's my one tip. That's it. That's all you have to do. Be cool. Act like you've been there. Okay. Just be cool. Nothing's happening. It's not weird. It's not crazy. You might hear gulping. It's fine. We're fine. Uh, the same applies to a woman pumping. No matter how weird it is that it's going, well, it doesn't, you hear nothing. You see what I'm

saying? Be cool guys. And that does it for doom scroll the week. Ed Sheeran is coming up right after this, Toyota minivan mini update. If you're a real one, there's a very high chance you saw my brand new commercial for the Toyota Sienna. It happened, guys. I'm a minivan mom, but now I've been driving it for a while. I've got a new favorite, highly underrated feature.

I'm talking about the Sienna's fridge box. That's right. I've taken a couple of drives to the shore now and it is hot out there. And you know what compliments that? Ice cold waters right in the car. I don't have to pack a cooler. I just press the button, cold water. I'm also a big fan of the vacuum. If anyone has had kids in their car, you know, snacks just appear. It's the strangest thing. I could have not fed them in an hour and suddenly there's a pretzel falling out of their shirt. If you want to check out some of these features for yourself, I highly recommend going for a test drive at your local Toyota dealer. Plus you can learn more about the Toyota Sienna at toyota.com slash Sienna. He's the Grammy

award winning diamond certified singer songwriter behind some of the most popular songs ever. Like in the history of music, I'm talking about bangers like thinking out loud, perfect and shape of you. He's also got a brand new album called play coming out in September He's part of the girl dad club and he's officially not gonna lie Ed Sheeran. Welcome to the show How you doing? I'm so excited to have you it is we were talking about your music before the show and I Feel so strongly about your music before the show and I feel so strongly that your

music specifically reaches all the way through every age group because we were talking to my mom about it the other day. I absolutely love it and my girls just this morning were dancing to Sapphire. Oh, amazing. Thank you. Now, not going to lie Ed, you are actually the first male guest on the show apart from my husband I actually didn't know that I feel honored. Thank you. I will say I do think that if we were gonna have another Male guest on the show that it's perfect that we made sure that it was a girl dad and like you said yourself you have

Two daughters, how old are they? four and three. And how does it feel to have two girls? Like you said, you are outnumbered in your house, a lot of estrogen. I love it. Like, I really, really, really love it. I didn't really have any expectation of, I think when you are having children, you're just like, I just would like children. And I didn't have any, I wasn't like, I want this, I want that. But when we first had our first daughter, it was like, I just would like children. And I didn't have any, I wasn't like, I want this, I want that. But when we first had our first daughter, it was like, I don't know, just something clicked and I was like, I think I could have many, many, many

daughters and be so, so fulfilled and happy. And I love, I love having to, I love seeing them interact with each other and with Chez and yeah, they're just great. They're just great. And also like my best mate has had two boys and they live opposite us. And there is a stark difference between our two households. Isn't there? And they're exactly the same age and we kind of like, we have all the same ethos and we hang out

all the time, but the energy is different. It's funny when I compare notes with boy parents and I always jokingly say, because people always come up to me and they're like, Oh, I actually only have two boys or I have three boys and I'm like, I don't, we don't have that recipe. I don't, I, I've got nothing for you. And they'll be like, yeah, you know, it's WWE in our household every day. And I'm like, you know, every so often, we get a little tussle here and there, the girls get like into like a wrestling fit. But it's, it's few and far between. Like I went also, it's gentle play as well. Like my girls, like

yesterday were they have like this stuffed bunny that they brush. It doesn't even really have hair, but they're just they're brushing this stuff bunny together at the hairdressers. And then I joined the hairdressers and then suddenly I've got a million clips in my hair. And I had my mate has had a son, he's like 18 months, and he came around and I cooked dinner for him and the girls. And I sort of turned around to start like doing the dishes

and then I turned back around and the house was destroyed, like destroyed by this one kid, it was amazing. Now, are your girls into anything in particular? Our girls are very into things like Frozen and this very stereotypical princess phase of life right now. Totally. Although we went through Paris a while ago and we were like, let's take him to Disneyland Paris just because we're there and they didn't really fuck with it. It was kind of interesting yeah it was kind of interesting to see it was I thought that they'd be like but yeah it was a it was a cool realization because I love Disney and I

love Disney movies but like I'm more into I'm more into the music side of it I love when they sing Moana tunes. They're learning melodies and lyrics and rhymes through listening to Disney songs because Disney music is top tier music in general. It is just really, really well written music. I don't think they have signed into the obsessiveness of it, which I quite like. They just really like the music and I guess they'll watch the movies on. We take a lot of trains. My wife doesn't really fly so we take a lot of trains and they will watch, you know, Toy Story one on a train and really dig that. But then that has amazing Randy Newman music in it as well.

You should ride that train as long as you possibly can because we got in a rotation of watching Frozen. I shit you not, I think we watched it maybe every day for a whole week and I had to put my foot down of like, hey guys, I'm not doing this again. Do you get a lot of like, parent police after this podcast? All the time. When you've talked about parenting. I will say, I think that we have settled into our demographic of people who understand that I

Always say that it I don't know what I'm doing I'm winging it and so because we're in this like imperfect place in parenting I'm not gonna do it the way you're gonna do it. You're not gonna do it the way I'm gonna do it and Ultimately, that's how we end up with like these beautiful, unique little creatures. I was just saying, we just did a fundraising events in the shore town that we live in, in the last couple of days. And on an episode recently, I discussed potty training and specifically when you're supposed to stop wiping your kid's ass.

And I had people walking up to me being like, you should have them stop wiping their ass when, as soon as possible. And I'm like, oh, I didn't want to have this conversation in person. What a wild first conversation to have with someone. And when I tell you they, I don't even know that one of the people even said hello. They just, they just jumped right into it. and I was like, got it. Okay. Yes. How are you finding that sort of transition where everyone obviously knows you so well

because they listen to you and they know your personality, but you would have people come out to you not saying hello and just coming with wild shit like that. Is that like an odd transition? Odd is the gentlest way to put it. Do you still live in the same place that you lived in all this time? Yes. Same community, same friends, same everything sort of thing. Yes. I grew up in the Philadelphia area and luckily my husband had already fallen in love with Philadelphia Before we met because he was playing here for I think it was like four years before we had even met so

I literally grew up in the town that we live in now and And then moved to a neighboring town and we love it. We've obviously put a few other measures in place We love it. We've obviously put a few other measures in place, but we still live in the same house that we lived in when we got married. And I'm very much jokingly, like I don't know if you've seen the Homer Simpson gif where it's like he sinks into the hedges. That's me. That is me through and through.

I've always said like I started this podcast to be able to set the record straight and you can hear it straight out of my mouth instead of like making up tabloid clickbait. When did you start it? Just this past November we started. Oh wow. We kicked it off. Well congratulations. Thank you.

I mean it's done amazingly. No, it's been so much fun and I've gotten to talk to so many incredible people. I joke around like I have and I'm half serious, half kidding, but I have no business talking to you or most of the guests that I've had on have been like these like just massive names and people who I've admired or looked up to and even just sort of like tapping into the things that have interest me and then getting to speak to people and learn more about the things that I've been interested for a long time and getting to learn alongside with the listeners is really, really fun. It's been exhilarating.

But still I think I have no business doing this or having this platform. So we're just waiting. I think that's most people with success will be like, it's, I don't really know. I thought that for the first like few years of my career, I was just like, I'm pretty sure this is going to end at some point and I should just enjoy it while it's here. And I've kind of been doing that now for 15 years of being like, eventually. I hate to break it to you, Ed. I don't think the other shoe is going to drop. I think you're just riding this, this one to the end. I very much am in the camp of like this, this has to, this has to calm down, right? you're obviously like an incredibly likable person. And I think people have obviously connected to you and interested in hearing points of view. And I think that that's a that's a good thing. I appreciate it. It doesn't happen. It doesn't happen by accident. I always say when people are like, oh, it's so lucky. It's so lucky. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. And you're obviously like, prepared for the opportunity when it presented itself and here we are. That's very sweet. Thank you. I'd love to circle back to your music. Right.

If we can. You have your brand new album play coming out in September. Do you ever play new music for your wife and kids for their feedback? 100%. Yeah, 100%. I think that it's like Cherry can kill a song. I'm actually really careful to play her songs when she's in a good mood. Um, cause if she's like, then in my mind, I'm like, okay, that song's dead. Like she, she's dead to me. No, she's just got a very good taste and read on things. Like even I would write, I'd say three songs a day, five days a week, and I'll

come home and I'll play them. And she can sift through that pretty easily. So like when Bad Habits was written, I'd written a bunch of other songs that day. And I remember I came home, I listened to them all in the car and I was kind of excited about most of them. And I played them to her and she was like, that one, that Bad Habits one, that's the one you should finish tomorrow. And then I'm like, okay, and then you go in and finish it. And she's the same with Shivers, same with, which one on this record? Sapphire, she loved, Aziz Am, she loved. Yeah, she's got a very good read on stuff. And also I think the kids are a good read on things as well. Even old catalog stuff, because when I'm away doing shows, cherry will play my, I have brought out like a compilation record in September last year, which has all the hits of

mathematics on it. And, uh, when I'm away, she'll play my songs to them to kind of like, I don't know, introduce the music to them slowly. And it's interesting the ones that they like gravitate towards. And it's definitely the ones that all kids have gravitated towards, I guess. There's like a certain DNA in songs, I think. That's awesome.

Is there one song that your daughters lock in on and that they absolutely love? Saffar. And Saffar, from the beginning, they came to India when I made that record and they were in the studio whilst we were putting all all the tablas and Santoris and like, yeah, yeah, they were there watching all of that happen. And I think because it's just so far and they, I don't know, they know most of the lyrics of that song now.

It's funny when I put it on this morning, uh, our two year old who is, she's ridiculous and, and delightfully opinionated, looked at my dad and went, this is my favorite song. Good. We were like, we were like, she's heard it a few times, but it was funny that she specifically like that one she locked in on. So I'm glad she has similar taste. I also think at a certain point, like you lose the kids at a certain point. Like when you're like, I'm sure when I'm 50, two year olds aren't going to be like, that's my song.

You know, like it's, I'm glad that like kids are still like into the music that I'm making because hopefully those kids when they grow up will want to come to a show and discover all the other music, you know? That's what I really love about touring is you see the multi-generation family come to a gig and we've like purposefully make our tickets like not really expensive so you can come as a family. I like I've always said like I want full families to come. My dad took me to shows as a kid and it's such a lovely bonding experience watching music that he's into as his son and then getting into that music and blah blah blah. I never really wanted

to for it just to be one certain demographic of people. Now you've been performing all around the world for years. I do have to ask because I have a terrible bias here, but where does Philadelphia land on your list of favorite cities to perform in? It's loud. It's very, very loud. You got a big, big, I remember when we played there at 2023, it was one of the loudest, the loudest, and there was a bit of a cheat code on it, but Detroit and we brought on Eminem and that was the loudest I've was a bit of a cheat code on it but Detroit and we brought on Eminem and that was the loudest I've ever heard a crowd like

anywhere in the world like there's never never been a louder crowd than that but I will say it was because I brought Eminem on stage in Detroit like it's that's the cheat code you you cracked it right there you nailed that who would be the cheat code in Philly I I mean, I think Taylor just because she's home. Yeah, Pennsylvania. Yeah. I kind of think Taylor anywhere though. Yeah, true. Very true. I was thinking when I did the, when that Eminem thing happened, I was like, what would be the loudest crowd? And I was thinking that if One Direction had reformed somewhere in South

America for like, if Harry was doing a show or whatever and they all went on stage, I was like, I think that would be... That would hit it the hardest. Actually, do you know who? Amazing reaction was Macklemore in Seattle. It was insane. Brought him on to do Can't Hold Us, which obviously was their song when they won the Super Bowl. And that was almost as mental as Eminem. Like it was huge. There are artists that I have seen go on tour or announce some tour dates and locations.

And I'll go on to see where they're going and they sort of do like a curve right away from like the Northeast. And I'm like, oh, but I would like you to come here. I don't think I've ever not played Philly. I'm always... Well, that's very sweet. I like that. Like I said, extremely biased, extremely biased. I own it. Also, that's what I like about Philly in general is the like pride there. It's kind of like, what I love about it is it's basically like, fuck everyone else. Like, it's us. We are. We are it. And I felt that in Detroit as well. There's like a real like,

this is us. It's like, it's like gritty. Like, you get us as you get us. If you don't like it, fuck off. Yeah. It's really simple. But the good thing is is that we super friendly though, like you are very welcoming I feel because if you're with us you're with us. Yeah, and we'll ride with you But I find it's really easy to amp a crowd up in philly because i'll just be like, oh it's just in new york And they were louder than you and then people don't like that. Can't let that happen. Can't let that happen if you ever really want to get a Just say like someone tried to tell me to be a Dallas fan and I told them to fuck off.

So why Dallas? Like Dallas isn't near you. Why Dallas? They are in the NFC East with us. And it just so happens that they're our biggest rival. I think it fits perfectly because like you're saying, Philly is so passionate about like, we'll ride together. And Dallas has made themselves into like the idea of being America's team. Interesting.

Which I just, I have to vehemently disagree with. But I always like people, we'll meet people who are Giants fans who are also in the NFC East so the same conference and it's Funny because I will tell them they'll be like, I'm so sorry. I'm a Giants fan I'm like up well at least we can agree fuck Dallas and It's like a very good bonding moment, honestly Have you gotten into American football at all? I know you spent a lot of time in the US I'm a Titans fan from when I lived I, I moved to Nashville for Taylor's Red Tour in 2013.

And you know, I got a place there and I went to Walmart to buy bits to move in and I just bought some pajamas. And then when I got home, I was wearing the pajamas. And then when someone was around, they were like, Oh, you're a Titans fan. And I was like, And then when someone was around they were like, oh, you're a Titans fan. And I was like, well, guess I am. Since then Titans. And you know, it's been, it's very similar to my soccer club back home. You know, they're never, they're always the bridesmaid. Actually, I wouldn't even say that the bridesmaid, I'd say they're kind of like, they're invited

to the wedding. Oh, okay. You know, got it. like they're invited to the wedding. Oh, okay. They're there. Got it. But I do think what's lovely about the NFL is anything can happen because of the first draft stuff. My only experience of the NFL when I was a child was Homer Simpson wanting to buy the Dallas Cowboys and he got given the Denver Broncos.

And I remember him being like, oh, the Denver Broncos. And then the Denver Broncos won the Super Bowl. And I was like, I thought they were meant to not be a good team. The Simpsons told me, you know, I'll go based on Simpsons facts. I would like the Lions to win it first though. I feel like Detroit are like on the edge of greatness. Very much so. They turned it around massively recently. Yeah. But I'd like, so I'd like them to win it first. Okay. And like Eagles are somewhere in there? You just won it. Like give it a rest. You've won it. And you won it a couple of years ago

as well. We did win it a couple of years ago. But that was the first one ever. I know, I know. But you know, like my team, well, we just got relegated from the Premier League into the championship. But if we won the Premier League, I'm dining out on that for the rest of my life. Hey guys, me again. Not going to lie, I got so carried away talking to you earlier about the Toyota Sienna's fridge box and vacuum. I almost forgot to mention it's hands-free kick sensor doors. You can kick your foot just under the sliding doors and then they open.

Same thing with the trunk. I've tried this a couple of times at this point because I usually have at least one child on my hip and a bag or another child in my other hand. So that leaves me with, mathematically speaking, no free hands. Now the girls do love to press a little button and open the door, but when it's just me, myself and I, that kick sensor comes in handy. If you want to check out any of these features, I'm talking fridge box, the vacuum, the kick sensor doors.

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And one of the most delightful things that I've doom-scrolled upon has to be Ellie Benke's song covers. Oh my god, yeah. On TikTok. Yeah. I am so excited that you guys got together and did a duet. ["What's Your History?" by Ellie Benke tendency to leave some people on the road? It was incredible. She's such a sweet person as well.

And like she flew over with her family and a partner and yeah, we spent the day together. We did the duet. She did a, I did a like, I presented you two an award that night and then I threw them an after party afterwards in an Irish bar and had a big Irish jam and Ellie came to that with her family as well, which I think, and then she sung Dive with me and it was really cool actually. She's great. Now, I think truly there is an opportunity here speaking, we spoke about Disney and how

much you love Disney music. I feel like she could be the live-action version of Merida. Wow, yeah. I think that'd be cool. I just think that she's got the hair. Yeah. And her, no, correct me, I'm not quite sure how to explain this. Are they doing a live- action of that? No, but I'm saying they need to get it rolling and they need to cast her. I'm just saying, I think she should have one foot in the door on an audition. That would be insane. That would be insane and a really good idea as well. She specifically has, she sings one of the tracks from Brave, which I think is an underrated soundtrack. She sings one of the songs. It's so beautiful. What I like about that movie as well is they didn't make a sequel. It is just perfect as is

left. That's the story. That's the music done. Yes, I agree. I just think that, again, correct me if I'm wrong in the way that I described this or you can give me the proper terms here. But the clarity when she sings, I love when people have like a little bit of like rasp or like something. But the clarity when she sings is so clean. But it's soul as well. It's got feeling in it. It's not just clinically good. She's just really soulful. Yeah, she's a really supreme talent and I'm really happy to have

met her and worked with her. It was beautiful and the duet was exactly what we all wanted. So I think it's for everyone that commented on that TikTok to be like, yes. This is what I love about the internet is it makes stuff so possible and accessible and you can kind of reach anyone with anything. People power is like a real thing at the moment. Now obviously that was a beautiful duet. You've done many other duets. Is there a duet that you have done that has stood out to you as your favorite or one of

your favorites? Yeah, I think, well, if it's a recorded song, then I think Beyonce and also Andrea Bocelli on Perfect were both very different experiences, but both amazing experiences. But I think the first time that I sung with Beyonce, we did a Stevie Wonder tribute where we did Master Blaster together with Gary Clark Jr. And like, sometimes I, you know, I think being like, oh, is my career on the downward slope or blah, blah, blah. And that is a video that I'll go to and watch and be like, but that was pretty cool. Like no one can take that away from me. You know, that's like one of those videos that I'll always go back to, to like remind myself that I've done some pretty

fun stuff. And again, another one would be like bringing Eminem in Detroit. That's like another one. If I need a little like, you were right, we've done some cool shit. Like yeah. It gives you a little boost. Yeah. And sometimes you need that. Sometimes you need reminding that even if stuff isn't like great at the moment, like

the accumulation of things over the years that think people can't take those moments away from you, you know? I do think it's interesting to hear you say that sometimes you need those little bumps because you're having like the normal human experience of like, what's going on? Where am I going? Like a little lull might send you into like,

let me reminisce a little bit and bring the vibes back up. Totally. I think nostalgia, like good nostalgia like that is really healthy and helpful. And I think that, I think it's also just navigating adult life because sometimes it's not even just based on a like career thing of, you know,

sometimes I'll put out a song that doesn't work or I'll have a show that doesn't sell out or like blah, blah, blah. Like something will happen and I'll be overthinking my head. But it's not just that. I think it's just being a parent and then wondering how much I should be working and how much I should be at home. And then when you're at home too much, you're like, oh, should I be working with?

It's like a constant balance of like, what is the right thing to do? And I want my kids to know the value of hard work, but not at the detriment of me not being there. And it's kind of like a balance of, I don't know. My husband and I have had that conversation a lot. Specifically because when he retired from football, we knew his schedule in football was a set schedule. He was home at a certain time, each day of the week. And now that he's retired, he took on a lot of things. He's been sort of figuring out exactly where he wants to put his energy in and what... It's interesting because this will be the most busy time of his life figuring out what

he wants to do. And then it will settle again into a rhythm and a groove. But definitely like, I can imagine being a professional sportsman his whole life and then that ends and then you go, fuck, well, what is the next thing? And then you have to try many different things, then find out what the next thing is. Like, yeah, it must be a real mindfuck. Well he has that same dilemma and we've had the conversation a number of times of like, well, in an effort to find what that next thing is or what those next few things are, at what cost, right?

At what time do you say, yes, I'm showing my kids hard work, determination, all of those things and modeling it. But then at the same time, making sure that balance of like that you're home and that you're there to color and that you're there in the morning to get their day started. And also I would say that a couple of Super Bowls in a trophy at home probably do that as well. Like, and I find that as well looking at my career, like the accumulation of all the things that I've done, sometimes I'm like,'m like oh actually like I'm striving to be like I've got to show them this, got to show them, when actually like it's kind of all there already and maybe it's like you

work 40% less your home a bit more and yeah. We'll figure it out. I don't think we will but I think that's fine. I think that's fine. I'm gonna keep telling myself I'll figure it out. I think parenthood is basically figuring it out until they've left home and then you go, oh, that's that. Yep. Well, we did it. Good luck. Now there's something else that I've been very excited to talk to you about. I didn't even realize that we had in common, but I did hear you say that Love Actually is one of your top three favorite movies of all time. Is that correct?

Oh yeah. Yeah. I actually, like, I love good stuff that's popular. Like I just, I like it. I like, I think Titanic's a great film. I think Love Actually is great. I don't subscribe to this thing where people are like, Hey, who are your favorite artists? And they'll go, Oh, this person with like 20 plays, they're not my favorite. It's actually like, who is actually your favorite artist? What is actually your favorite film? Love Actually is on every single Christmas in our household. So it's got to be one of my favorite, it has to be. I watch it once a year. There's no other film that I watch once a year.

My husband and brother-in-law, they had to watch it for the other podcast and they shit on it so hard. Jason specifically, really he didn't see what we see in it I think. He tried to say that because in the storylines that it's like all of these people, it's not like good clean family holiday movie, right? Like it's like these different scandals and stuff. It's different shades of love and betrayal and hurt and heartache. It's love. Love isn't just happiness. Love is all of those things. Yes. Mate. tell them that that movie is, I just think, perfect. And also the guy, the guy that made that movie wrote yesterday, that movie that I was in and lives in the village that I live in, I see him all the time. And he said that movie

was originally seen and then seen and then seen and then seen as in like it wasn't all jumbled up. And then and they didn't really know as in like it wasn't all jumbled up and then and they didn't really know how to do it and then they just chopped it up and put it in different orders and then that's what then but originally it was just you know seven different stories one after the other which is kind of mad right well they absolutely nailed it they nailed when they chopped it up favorite uh storyline yeah that's that's hard. Colin Firth, writing the book. Honestly, he learns the language at the end. How did you know that's right? It's the most romantic one. It's great. I just when they're sitting in the car and they're like both speaking

in their own languages and he's so uncomfortable about it. And she's just like, sort of like, this is ridiculous. Like you can feel how she's like, why are you freaking, like, why are you being so weird? And he's like, doesn't know what to say. And then he tries to, I mean, it's just. It's just great. I love it. It's so great.

Did you watch about time? Did you see that one? I have not. That's so great. Did you watch About Time? Did you see that one? I have not. That's another one. Is that one? Yeah. So Richard Curtis who did Four Weddings and Your Funeral, Notting Hill, Love Actually, he did this film called About Time, which is heartbreaking.

Like lovely, but heartbreaking. About Time. Yeah. It's a guy that can basically like travel back in in time and he like, you know, remeets his wife all over and over again. He spends time with his dad all over and over again. It's really, really heartwarmingly heartbreaking. Okay.

Maybe I can get Jason to buy into that one. I'll try. All right. That's good. The last question I have for you is usually a question I ask my fellow mom guests but I'm excited to get the dad version. What is the best piece of fatherhood advice that you have ever received? Oh my god, I don't know really. Is there any go-to advice that you give to first-time dads? I just think always be the one that

makes the breakfast in the morning. Always be the one that gets up first and let your partner have a lie-in and do the breakfast the one that makes the breakfast in the morning. Always be the one that gets up first and let your partner have a lion and do the breakfast. Because also, that's the time of the day that your kids are the least angry because they're rested and they wake up and it's fun and you do all the morning tasks, putting away all the washing up from the day before and then you make the breakfast and you eat the breakfast. It's also like an act of kindness, service, whatever, because your partner gets to have a lie in, but also then you get the golden moments in the morning when your kids are like calm and happy.

Aren't they just the best in the morning? I say it all the time. They're their best selves in the morning. They're like sweet and cuddly and their voices are like gentle and not screaming. So I'm like handing them plates and they're putting the plates away and I'm like, you're making my job easier. And also we're like spending time together. So yeah, I'd say always do the morning shift.

I love the, I actually love the morning shift and the evening shift reading 40 different stories and having someone like fall asleep on your shoulder is actually really lovely. Oh yeah, Jason is very much the book reader because right now I'm running around sort of picking up at night and then taking care of our youngest because she's three months old so we're still very much attached. Whoa, you're in the trenches. We are. So he, especially recently, the girls were like, maybe one more and then I check in.

When you said at the beginning, you were like, I'm running on not a lot of sleep. I get it now. I get it. Yeah. I always like to give the warning, but yeah, we're very much in the trenches and Jason gets talked into like book after book after book. And every so often I'll just be like, I'll hear him from the other room and I get to listen to him reading the stories and the girls reactions. And he does like all the voices for them and stuff.

And so it's so much fun to listen to it. It really is. It really is the best. And I say like, this is something that I annoy my friends with, and I annoy Cherry with, but I'm always saying, we're living in the good old days, we like what is happening now, like that that moment you have with your husband, you're listening, that's a moment that in 30 years time, you'll go, Oh, man, wasn't that nice? And you're actually like, living at the time. And I feel like this is the thing about like, our kids sleeping in our bed, and, and, and stuff like that. They always end up in our bed. And I'm like, but eventually they won't be. Like this is like a time where we should, you know, they're just there and

we're enjoying it. And these are the days where like we really will miss them. And they also go by so fast. It's suddenly like kids starting school and then that's it. They're just now they're getting grown up and making friends and blah, blah, blah. And yeah. That's when one of the strangest realizations recently, our oldest is going to go to kindergarten next year. And I always have this moment of, well, now she's going to be in school. So our kids are the same age. Our oldest are the same age. Our oldest is five now. When we're in Philly, we've got to get them together. Chaos. Girl squad. Girl squad. Yeah, we have five, four, two, three months. Oh my god, you got four.

Yeah, oh yeah. I joke around with my friends. They could drop their kids off, drive 30 minutes before I realize their kid is there and then they're 30 minutes away, they don't have to come back. So I'll just take them, add them into the pack. Well this is the thing, I think once it gets past three, you might as well have eight, you know what I mean? Like it's whatever. We're in a constant state of chaos. Do you think you're done at four?

I sure hope so. Every single time, I always wanted four, I feel like four is like this manageable chaos. And also like each one has each one. And then also that's a really nice Thanksgiving table when they've all got partners and you know there's 10 people around the table. That's a nice manageable table. Yes and your house will feel full. Yeah. Like your house will always feel full. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Also I'm hedging my bets like. You're going through it. Out of four we got to get like, we got to get a like we can't, we're, we're not good. And you got four girls. We can't mess all of them up right? You got four girls.

Yes. Yeah we're all girls. I love that. Yes. It's lovely. That's good energy in the house. Right? Yeah. We'll keep it going, but yes, we should get the kids together when you're in Philly because they love making new friends and they're a good time. Thank you so much for being on today. I loved it. It was so great to talk to you. I am such a huge fan of your music, our whole family is, and we are so excited to hear the

new album play out in September, but enjoying the singles that you've released thus far. So thank you so much. Thank you. This was a really, really enjoyable experience. I loved it. Just feels like awesome and lovely. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Going to Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Ed Sheeran on my YouTube

channel on Morshit Monday. Ed's new album, Play, comes out September 12th. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow Not Going to Lie on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Going to Lie is a Wave Original brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Thanks again to the real ones for tuning in.

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