Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & HAIM on Cheering For All The Kelces, Este-Jason Duel & Sisterhood Of The Stolen Jeans | Ep. 33

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Uber Eats and kicks things off with a couple announcements, highlighting that next week will be her second-ever solo episode in honor of back-to-school and NFL Kickoff (1:36)! Dust off your wooden spoons, Real Ones, the Birds are BACK! Then, Kylie reacts to some fan mentions on Jason’s recent golf video featuring some adorable guest appearances from their “tiny humans.” Kylie shares whether or not she agrees Ellie still looks like Uncle Trav and if Wyatt is starting to look more like her (2:25). After that Kylie answers a couple “Ask Me *Some* Things” questions about pumpkin treats and Jason’s dyed beard (5:26).  After that, in this week’s edition of “Can I Be Honest?” Kylie reveals how each of her daughters fit into “Birth Order Theory,” breaking down the funniest ways Wyatt, Ellie and Bennie display the classic traits of firstborn, middle and youngest children (8:39). Kylie is then joined by the multiplatinum, Grammy-nominated rockstars Este, Danielle and Alana Haim (15:06)! They start by talking about Kylie and the girls’ favorite song “Relationships” from the “I quit” album as well as its accompanying viral dance trend that Kylie considered trying herself (16:05). Kylie also asks the Haim Sisters about their “I quit” tour coming up in a matter of days and how they are kicking it off in Philly (24:45)! Since their mom is from Philly, Kylie asks the band if they’re Eagles fans and they get to talking about their Kelce fandom. Plus, there’s some incredible bonding over the magic that is the jersey shore (27:50). Then, Kylie asks Este, Danielle and Alana about what it was like starting out as a family band and if they have any advice for her should one of her four kids show interest in getting into music (32:15). The band tells Kylie what instrument to start them on first, as well as what types of music to play for them. Plus, Kylie asks the sisters what they fight over the most now and what they fought over as kids (39:20). She also shares a story about an argument with her own sister in their high school cafeteria. Este, Danielle and Alana also give Kylie advice on how to raise her four daughters to grow up with an unbreakable bond as sisters. Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with HAIM. . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show:   Uber Eats: Get up to 40% off back-to-school essentials. Order now, on Uber Eats. https://www.ubereats.com/ Buy Tickets to HAIM’s I quit Tour! https://www.haimofficial.com/tour/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Array! rights only in theater September 5th. Not going to lie, Ellie calls ear wax, ear whack. That's W-H-A-C-K. And I'm never going to correct it, ever. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave Original, brought to you by Uber Eats. Shop back to school.

I did. Look at all my things. things that I got. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. If a cup isn't dishwasher safe, get the fuck out of my house. Apparently, my moon sign is Sagittarius. What does that mean? And I can rattle off animal facts off the top of my head. We were just in a business meeting the other day for the podcast, and I had to explain to everyone the difference between an alligator and a crocodile. And I'd do it again. Coming up on today's episode, I'm I'm going to get honest about a topic I get more intrigued by each time we add another muffin

to our family. It's birth order theory. I really feel like why it is a firstborn through and through. But we'll find out if that's the truth. Plus, in Ask Me Some Things, I'm going to answer your most burning questions about important matters like Pumpkin Spice and Jason's Beard. After that, I'm going to be joined by the multi-platinum Grammy-nominated trio, who are also Honorary Philadelphians in my book, my friends, S.D., Danielle, and Alana Heim. But before we get to that, I'm going to return to my PA announcer roots with today's NGL announcements. First, NGL announcement next week, we're officially doing a back-to-school slash NFL kickoff

spectacular. Woo! And then I punched the mic. It's going to be my second... My body doesn't even want to say it. And it's going to be my second ever solo episode. Queen Emma did that. This episode comes out the day of Eagles Cowboys Kickoff,

so get your wooden spoons ready. You can bet your bottom dollar. I'm not going to be out here and need one because I'm going to be dip, dodge, ducking all these jinxes. It won't be me, guys. It will not be me. I'm going to knock on my head just to make sure that I cover that one.

Just to be clear, I can always also still in the drawer. Okay. Moving on to some mentions from the real ones. I got tagged at least 100. times in the comments of Jason's new golf video, which had guest appearances from our tiny humans. Most of you just wanted to remind me yet again that Ellie looks like her uncle. At Kylie Kelsey, I'm so sorry that Ellie does look just like Travis. Someone else said even Ellie's expressions are just like Travis. Someone else said Ellie fully stole Travis's entire face.

Someone else said, wow, exactly the same. No more, no less. And they put a screenshot of Ellie's face next to Travis's school photo. Here's the deal. The Kelsey's, they're a beautiful bunch, okay? I'm not talking about the me, like my Kelsey's. I'm talking about the Kelsey's I'm married into. They're a beautiful bunch of human beings. Okay? We all have eyeballs. I thank you. I don't know. I just, I just want, I feel like a lot of moms can relate to me when I say this. I just want one child, one child that looks like me, because, I don't know, I grew them. Like, you could, like, it could be like a slight dedication to like, there's mom, there she is. Shout out to her, you know.

But on that same note, some of you have started to change your tune on Wyatt. So maybe I am getting one. We have Wyatt is morphing into Kylie's twin. And someone else said, Wyatt's looking more and more like Kylie. They're all adorable. I agree with you. They are adorable, but they're mine. So I'm biased. The last time we talked about the girls lookalikes was in the first ever episode of NGL. It's been nine months. And I think that Wyatt still looks exactly like Jason. I think that Jason has ended up making a beautiful little girl. But when they sit next to each other, and they're both watching something or listening to someone talk and their faces are making the exact same expression directly next to each other, you can't deny it. Also, her baby pictures look so much like Jason's baby pictures. It's actually mind-boggling. And I don't think I'll ever get that image out of my head. You know, like when you look at your five-year-old child and you

still see them at like six months and their round little face and they're like all happy and everything, she's really got to stop growing up this shit's fucked up i will say i've gotten minimal but encouraging feedback that fin may look like me so jury's still out but i'll take it chat it's not feeling more naturally chat moving on the real one sent in so many good questions for asked me some things. I couldn't wait for the solo episode to answer them. So I'll answer two right now, just two. That's it, too. First up, it's just the perfect time of year to answer this one. From Sam Wags 88. Are you a pumpkin fan? So what's your favorite pumpkin flavored food, drink item for fall? I can confirm I am a basic bitch. I will say that. I can confirm that.

guys, I wear athleisure almost every day in my life. I don't find cool, obscure things. I am not a trend setter and I'm okay with that. All of these things, I'm cool with. But I don't lean into the pumpkin spice. It's okay. I am not the person that has a count down in their phone until the day that it's released from coffee stores and is first in to get themselves some pumpkin spice because first of all butter be canned till i die okay i don't this isn't i literally uber eats this buttaiccan right there okay i don't love that you can't get it any other time of year that's weird why can't we just like if you like pumpkin spice why can't you just have pumpkin spice all year last all year round i would

I will tell you. I love a pumpkin cookie with some icing on it. Queen Emma put in the rundown. When do you put up Halloween decorations? My favorite part of this question is the fact that Queen Emma is assuming that I put up Halloween decorations. We have a couple things in the garage that we have put up, let's say, every other year for the last, let's say, eight or nine years. So they come out sometimes and I put them up, let's say a week before Halloween. And a couple times I've left them up until, let's say mid-November, maybe the end of November. Oh, this is probably, let me circle back because I will go in on some pumpkin pie. I would like to put that out there. I love a pumpkin pie, but I want an actual pumpkin pie. I don't want pumpkin pie flavored shit. I want pumpkin pie. And specifically, I want it the morning after Thanksgiving with my coffee while everyone else is still sleeping. Everybody knows morning pie, morning cake. That tastes the best. Everyone knows that. This next question I've been asked so many

times. I'm just going to address it. Why did Jason dye his beard and hair? Just to be clear, my husband already answered this. What I will say is, is that I think, think he looks fine as hell with his dyed hair, but I am very excited for the Silver Fox to return because I think he just looks like a distinguished fine-ass gentleman. So there's that. And that does it for Ask Me Some Things. Stay tuned for next week. I'm going to answer a lot more. Oh, no. Ch-ch-chat. Next up, let's get to this week's edition of Can I Be Honest?

brought to you by perplexity. As you'll hear soon in my conversation with the Heim sisters, we talk a little bit about birth order theory. So I figured I'd dive a little deeper to see how true it is for each of our tiny humans. Now, for anyone unfamiliar with this topic, Queen Emma, can you please pull up perplexity and ask it to explain birth order theory? Okay, birth order theory proposes that the order in which a person is born within their family, such as being the oldest, middle, youngest, or an only child shapes their personality behavior and even life outcomes due to differences in parenting and family dynamics. First of all, that's true. I know that we are parenting Benny differently than we parented Wyatt because Wyatt had my

undivided attention until she was 18 months old. So I posted a while ago a TikTok of the girls decorating cookies. And I asked if it was a good representation of birth order traits because why it was going individual sprinkle onto her iced cookie. And Ellie took both cups of sprinkles that were available to her for decorating, dumped them onto her cookie, patted them in, and then licked the extra sprinkles off of her hand. And as a second child, yes. So beyond how it applies to cookie decorating. Let's see how else it fits my children. Starting with Wyatt, core firstborn traits are listed as leadership and achievement. We got responsibility, conscientiousness, rule abiding and conventional perfectionism. I'd say all of those apply. I would. The rule abiding

and conventional really, the rule abiding is funny to me because she herself wants to abide by the rules, but she will try to talk her sisters into doing shit that she would like to do, which is funny to me. I kind of respect the hustle. You want to see how it ends up? So you talk your sister into it because you know it's a bad idea. Now, middle children, aka Ellie, and against every fiber of her being, Benny, we've got adaptable and flexible. Yes, independent. Yes. Diplomatic and peacemaking. Oh my God, Ellie. Social and loyal. Yes. Compromising and empathetic. Yes. That's outstanding. Specifically, the independence, Ellie and Benny recently have been going and doing things by themselves. I just asked Wyatt to close a door and Benny went and did it anyway because Wyatt was like,

someone has to come with me. Just last night, Wyatt woke up and was like, why do we have to sleep by ourselves? And I was like, girl, you literally share a room with your sister. Ellie has also been trying to do the peacekeeping thing recently, where if Benny gets really, really upset, because mom and dad have said no, which really ruins Benny's day, I will tell you, us saying no is just the fucking end. It's the end of the world. But Ellie has been trying to make it better. So she, for instance, Benny has been told, no, you may not have a sixth piece of chocolate today. And Ellie will be like, I'll go get your passie, Benny. And I'm like, No, no. Benny's not allowed to have her passy downstairs. And Benny then gets even more pissed off

because I've now said no to the six piece of chocolate and her passy. But Ellie was really trying to make her better, which is so sweet. And then we have the youngest child. And since Finn is only five months, we're going to have to come back to this one for her. But I'm guessing Benny is going to fit this to a T. So let's see what's going on here. Here we go. According to birth order, the youngest child is charming and human. Benny. Holy shit, Benny. Attention seeking. Could go either way on Benny. Creative and resilient. Definitely resilient. Less rule-oriented. Oh, my God, yes. Wow. It says under influencing factors, parental attitudes, I literally had to have like a pep talk with myself and kind of

Jason, but mostly with myself the other day of like, hey, she's going to turn into a butt if you don't start cracking down. And that's just because she's cute. And then you have this moment of you look at your five and your four year old and you think to yourself, they're not always going to be that little. And then you start to be like, maybe I can give her what she wants. And then you end up with a kid who has a full fucking breakdown because you said no, the sixth piece of chocolate. You get it. Charming and humorous. Veni is, uh, charming as can be. When people come in our house, I literally say to them, watch out for that one. Because she will manipulate the absolute crap out of you. She does it to Jason. She does it to my dad. She does it to

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Since we last talked, you guys have released a new album. I quit. Congratulations. Thank you. Relationships was stuck in my head for days. Like when I say days, I mean, my kids were like, we could, we could listen to the, like, we listen to other songs. I was like, no, no. When we get in the car, this is going on.

I just need to scratch the edge and then we can move on. Right. But every single time I started the car, I was like, whoop, here we go. Thank you. Thank you so much. The TikToks, the dance trends, all of it was just, it was hitting. Now, these TikToks led me perfectly to a segment we like to do around here called Doom Scroll of the Week. Now, Doom Scroll of the Week was born because I love to just like turn my brain off and really lock in to this, you know? First up on Doom Scroll, we got to talk about the viral dance trend.

you guys started four relationships queen emma roll the clip i don't even know where to start what first of all you shout out to nadi who created nadi who created this she's on ticot everybody follow her love her and get her kisses she i've seen you guys interact with her stuff on ticot she's incredible the angel love her more than anything um but she created it and then the funniest thing about it is, like, people started doing it, which is so beautiful and amazing. And then we were like, oh, we should do it. But like, we love to dance. I mean, I don't think it's like a secret how much we love to dance. And we used to go to this. Well, I'm not as, Esty, I think is the best dancer out of all sisters. Esty would like choreographed dances for us when we were like

children and she would like make us do a lot of like their, Esty made an amazing dance to the theme song of Friends. She made us perform it in front of my parents. It was a very, but it was like we had costumes. We had like, it was like Essie from soup to nuts. Like a lot of this.

A lot of this. A lot of this. Perfect. It was amazing. But we, so we, so we can move, but like learning the dance, it took us like a long time to get it down,

but then we got it down. But we are very, grateful for, you know, having a fun. I don't know that I've ever felt more compelled to consider doing a TikTok dance myself because I am not a dancer. I don't believe that. I'm aggressively not a dancer. Why don't I feel like you are? No, no. You're coordinated. You're coordinated. You can do. I don't think so. I know you can do a body roll. You can do a body roll. I mean, I could try. I know you. And sometimes that's all you need. This is what led me to ending up in a multi-week need to scratch the itch of listening to relationships. But also, I really thought about doing

this TikTok dance. And then I had a moment of like, you are too old to start TikTok dancing now. No, we'll do it together. When we're all together in the same way. Maybe that, maybe that's what I need. We'll do it together. So I'm going to, I'm going to study up now. Yeah. Yes. Perfect. Now, do it together. One of the things that led me, really, I think, to thinking about doing this is the fact that you guys end like this. Yeah. Because, yeah, who doesn't love to flip a good bird? I know.

Do it all the time. I know. It's just, it hits. It hits. It just, when you, it just hits so hard. It's very on top of the dance. It's the chair. Isn't it?

Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I like a good flick. Like a good, like, like, like, uh. up. Jack in the box. Yes. Jack in the box. For emphasis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, next up on Doom Scroll, you guys just put out your music video for all over me and address comments that called you out for casting attractive guys in your videos, Queen Emma, the clip please. This feels like, like a fuck around with the comment.

And then they found out like, obviously, why would you cast someone who isn't good looking for a role of like a love and I mean that doesn't make any fucking sense when when we have access to it why not and every single person that we've had in our music videos has been the nicest person like drew starkey logan lerman all the boys from um the all over me music video like they were all so nice and it was like what we just are we feel like we're in like middle school where like no one's going to show up to our birthday still like that's like our biggest fear so like when we got the okay from like all these, like, extremely hot boys that probably would have never looked at us in high school. Like, it was, like, the greatest.

And they were so nice. And I was like, it was like inner child healing. I was like, oh, my God, wait. No, we were convinced, like, on the days of shooting the videos that they weren't going to show up. We were like, we were like waiting in our, like, in our, like, outfits, like, with, like, snacks, like, waiting for them to arrive, like, being like, are you, are you going to be here? like are we would be asking everybody like the director like do we have an ETA like are they coming are they coming and then they're like they're coming like it's fine that feels like a trauma response

it is a full trauma response it is last thing on doom scroll you guys mentioned your dance to the friends theme you also did a dance to the law and order theme song queen emma Yeah. Esty crushed. Esty crushed. Esty crushed. Learned that dance in 0.2 seconds. Correct.

Correct. But you guys were perfectly in sync. Like the hips going at the same, like you guys, that was unreal. Now, are there any other TV show theme songs that you guys would feel inclined to pop off on TikTok for? Oh my God. I mean, we were, me, me and Danielle and Essie loved Game of Thrones. I feel like there's something in there. Also, Mad Men.

The Mad Men. Something there. If you guys feel so inclined, the Bluey theme song is a banger. Love. Just a thought. You could probably get some moms at home trying to recreate whatever dance you choreograph.

Okay. I love. I love it. We don't have a lot of time on our hands, but when we do, it should be filled with that exactly you get it my so the one we've put out four albums we've toured the world like we've done so many things the one thing that people talk about the most is us on sesame street it's true like when i tell you i've never gotten so much love on anything i'm like

what like first of all being on sesame street is like the biggest honor like i was like inner child healing when we were on like we've met big bird i have met big bird Mind blowing Was it magical Like the most magical Esty cried like 17 times 14 times But you taught

We were talking to Big Bird We would call him Big Bird We were like Big Bird How are you? Like we were having conversations With Big Bird And it But I was a child

Like it was like We reverted back to being like Three years old But it is the one thing This is how I interact With the Philly Fanatic There you go It is my brain

brings me back like my kids i like push them out of the way to get to him and i'm like let me tell you about what's going on and then he does his little whistle and his kissing noise and i'm like you get it i love you so much i missed you're old again yeah that's it you do you like can't help it no i can't even imagine standing in front of big bird no it was it was wild it was do you guys have an in there now like are you allowed to visit can i come you should go I think we can go. I think we can go. I think I know some people at Sesame Street that I think we'll let it in.

Let's go. I'm actually on text with Big Bird. Oh, perfect. Now in a relationship. I'm on text with Big Bird. We love a tall man. He's giant. He's giant.

You got it. He came to our show at the Hollywood Bowl. Oh, that's lovely. Yeah, I'd love to be clear. I want to visit. leave the kids. I want to go. No. You don't need to bring the kids. No. You can do it when they're older.

We're going to drink wine on Sesame Street. Yeah. Sit on the soup and drink wine. Sit on the soup and drink wine at Sesame Street. Like, it's going to happen. I love this plan. I'm going to make this plan so much. Please. Oh my gosh. This sounds so good. That does it for Doom Scroll the week. Now, this is this is another very important thing we're going to move on to. I'd love to talk to you guys more about the I quit tour. yes which you are like i said days away from leaving for i know more importantly where's your

first stop philly now was that a strategic decision did you just yep you were like they'll bring it my mom like for my mom i mean my mom like my mom is leaving for like she's going to spend three weeks in Philly, like, waiting for us. Like, she needs time with her gals. Yeah, she leaves tomorrow. She leaves tomorrow just to, like, spend time with her gals, which I get. Do you guys feel like honorary Philadelphians? Because I do think that you should.

I do. I love Philly. I love that. I love Philadelphia. We have the best time when we were there. We used to spend so much time there when we were kids. Now we don't go enough. So now when we go on tour, it's like we spend.

My mom is coming to the show on a show on a. a party bus they've made merch we made their own merch in neon shirts because they want her whole friends they want us to see them where they are made neon green shirts so that went off in the crowd if you think i am not going to lock in and find them oh yeah you can bet your bottom dollar i'm going to run up to some neon shirts and be like where the fuck is donna where's donna give me donna I need Donna immediately. Bring her to me. Please.

Bring her. Now, I have to ask the question. Are you guys Eagles fans? I won't tell people. We love all the Kelsey teams. Yeah. We love everyone. We share our love.

Let me be clear. I cheer for the chiefs. I know. Yes. We've been there. I've seen it. We've seen. You got it.

Yes. We love both. we love both perfect i can live with that i can love with that yeah i always tell people when people are fans of multiple teams as long as you don't tell me that one of your teams is the cowboys we're good yeah no i don't even know good yeah i don't know her i don't know her we love texas we love texas no great fine dallas can kiss my ass where our lips are she said and we have something else in common because all four of us grew up going to the Jersey Shore the Jersey Shore um when's the last time you guys got back to the Jersey Shore

oh so long which is so sad oh my god it's been a minute when we were kidding but my our memories are fresh as the day is long so maybe like fudgy wudgy Oh, geez. Water ice. Water ice. Water ice. I remember the elephant. Lucy. Lucy. Lucy, the elephant. Yep. We had a house. Well, basically, it was every summer we would just rent. We wouldn't rent, but our grandpa would rent a house and we would come visit him at his house. And we had, it was one year was Ventnor. One year was Margate. One year was Longport. We kind of just like, your memory is amazing. I'm like, I was like a, I'm older than you. So I mean, these were like very, very fresh memories for me. And they were like, match. I learned how to like ride a bike in, well, I learned how to ride a bike in L.A.

but I could ride a bike by myself in New Jersey. It was like my parents. That's some reason we're like, because I don't know. In L.A. they were like, it's too dangerous. But we weren't in New Jersey. They were like, she'll be fine. Well, that's our oldest this year learned how to ride her bike on our driveway.

And then this was the first summer where she got to ride her bike at the shore. And it's so common to ride bikes down there because people have their head on a swivel. Everyone's walking. Everyone's riding their bikes. So it's a better place to, yeah. So she finally got to ride her bike down the shore. And she, it's the best thing. Your girl was, it's the best thing.

I mean, it was, you could see it all over our face. Yeah. It's like a sense of freedom. Yes. I am autonomous. Oh, yeah. And she had a little basket. so like she could like go places and get things put them it was a big deal i'm living parallel lives

i was going to say now i it's very clear why that memory has ingrained itself in your head the way that it has because i just watched it become a core memory for our oldest the oldest always that's it's it's i mean guys it's just the jersey shores magical everybody knows that now one more thing on your tour i just read a quote from you daniel that you consider yourselves a live band first and foremost. So what can Hime fans expect from the I I Quit tour? Is there anything you guys want to tease? A lot of shredding. Yeah, face melting, face melting, shedding. Maybe some tapping. You might be doing tapping. That might be Danielle's new. I can kind of tap. No, a lot of shredding. We're going to be melting,

shredding. Yeah. That's amazing. Now, um, I'd love to talk. talk to you guys a little bit about your early career. I was fascinated to learn this whole thing started as a family band. Yes. Rockenheim. Rockenheim. I have four daughters, as you guys know. So there's six of us, Kelsey's. Do you guys remember getting into the family band business? It was like never, it really happened naturally. It was like our weird family version of like camping where like some people camped, some people started a family band. Like, in a weird way, I think it was my parents not wanting us to go out. I love the creativity.

Yeah. My parents were behind just trying to keep you guys out of trouble. Oh, yeah. Just to fully. Not that we were even like troublesome kids. I think my parents were like terrified of the outside world. They were like, this is scary. And the thing that was also like fun.

about it was we were, I mean, this was obviously before internet, or we had internet, not before internet. Internet's been around forever, but when, before we got internet in our home, we would record the songs that were on the oldies radio, because we only did covers of oldies. And so we would like sit around as a family. We would record the songs off the radio. And then my mom would like pluck the chords out by ear. And then we would all write the lyrics together. So like, when we all got into our teen years. Now I look back at it and I'm like, oh my God, what a cherished time. Like, it's such a beautiful thing that we did. But there was like a funny, like, right when we got into our teenagers, we were like, we want to make out with boys. Being in a family

band. This is not conducive to that. So. Like, I kind of feel a little dorky, like, being like, I'm going to go play a street fair with my parents and we're going to go play these oldies. Like, it got, but then we came back. We came back to be like, okay, but every teenage girl probably would have felt that way. Now, we have a segment on here called Coach Me Up, where I asked my guests to give me advice on things that they're an expert on. And I want to be abundantly clear. I am not musically inclined. That is my husband. If our girls end up being talented in the music department, there will be zero credit going to mom just to be abundant.

clear. But I'm guessing we'll get at least one that is that steers away from athletics and into the arts, if you will. So is there an instrument that you'd recommend first? What I have heard is piano. I think drums. Drum. But it's like make sure you get like the room away from where you need to do anything electric drums with headphones oh we love we all started on drums first I love that which was so fun because it also tires you out again everything was just to make my parents life easier like we're exhausted you guys need to get your energy out so drums is like a very physical instrument so we would just be tired after playing it but should we have your parents on for Parenting Hacks?

100%. Probably. Love it. They were, they, we love. But yeah, drums was always super fun. And then piano, the thing is it's like, I, we all naturally figured out what instrument we wanted to play. Like the thing that was amazing about my parents is like, I started on piano and then I saw how much fun Danielle and Essie were having with playing like string instruments. And so I remember being like, we, I want to play guitar.

and my parents were like, they just wanted creativity. What type of music should I play for them? Because Jason and I have, Jason specifically has a very eclectic taste in music. So he gives them a much broader spectrum of music. And I feel like between the two of us, we cover a decent amount of genre. I think that's a good thing. Yes. I think that's good.

I think broaden the horizon. everything yes everything like right like the more you're exposed yes yes to everything classic everything from classical country classic rock yacht rock pop 90s I've just learned about that pop R&B well you just learned about Yara I shouldn't say it like that I just learned about that yes yes that being a yes that that was a really that that was a name the yacht rock in our family

we were like a huge yacht rock it turns out I like it too I just didn't know that's what we were calling it again I am not the music one I am so simple when it comes to music I'm like do I like it yes

then I'm going to keep listening to it I don't I'm so bad about like deep diving Like, my husband will get to, like, the core of it. He's like, I want to know why they wrote this, how they got there. For almost everything he listens to. And mine is like when something gets stuck or like, if it comes up on my feet, I'll be like, ooh, I do want to know more about that. And then I deep dive.

Right. But my husband is like, no, no, you weren't listening. I'm going to start it over. I was like the lyrics guy. He loves the lyrics. He needs to play this game against Esty. That's called Beat the Intro, where you. you can only, you have to guess the song before the lyrics come in.

Oh. And I feel like Essie, Essie's the reigning champion. Essie can name a song in one second. Like, it's crazy out. And I feel like Jason can do the same. Pretty good at it. He would, he would be able to do it for like just very out of the box. Oh, let's play Jason.

Let's go. Perfect. I love that I'm signing him up first. He does love competition. So he might be all over this. So do I. I only like competing in things that I know I'm good at, though. And as he's good at that.

Yeah, I'm not just, I don't want to like. That's just rational thinking. You like, do you want to play golf with me? And I'm like, I don't want to golf. No. I don't want to golf. No, but thank you for asking. So I don't want to, like, learn on the job.

I want to do things that I know I'm good at. Okay. Well, I have to, I do have to get back to the music because I am curious about this. You guys have collaborated. and shared the stage with some all-time legends. Is there one artist, one performance, or one moment that each of you have had on stage where you felt like, holy shit, is this actually happening right now?

Oh, my gosh. I mean, I have mine. I have mine, too. There's a few. I'm going to say when we got to sing with Stevie Nix, that was. Yes. It was made. And she gave us her shawls.

Yes, she gave us her shawls. We got to, like, perform with the shawls. That was pretty incredible. It was a big one. That was a big one. That is so awesome. That's for all three of you. That's pretty crazy.

Because my, I mean, it was just like one of those, we grew up. I mean, when you were saying, like, what should we play for our daughters? Like, Flewin Mac and Stevie's music was like, like, always on when we were growing up. Flew & Mac was a huge band in our family. And then to, like, make the connection that, like, Stevie, our queen, savior, even knew who we were. Like, and also when we met her, she was playing, she had a boombox. Like, she literally had a boombox. And she walked into the room playing one of our songs.

And it was, like, one of those moments were, like, into, like, child mode of being like, oh, singing like Silver Spring. and, like, just being like, wait, this person that I've idolized my whole life now knows who I am. It was like a very crazy scenario. It's just crazy. It's just a crazy thing. Like a full circle, like you've grown up listening to this person to Fleetwood Mac and then just getting to experience. Also, she like commands a room.

Oh, my God. Insane. It is, it's capital. activating in a way that, like, she walks in or just, like, hanging on her every word. Oh, yeah. Now, I'd love to ask you guys some more about sisterhood because I have a sister and I'm also raising four of them. What would you guys say you argue about the most? Clothing?

Clothing. Isn't that always it? I know. Stealing. That's really my feeling. Stealing clothing. Stealing makeup. Stealing things.

Who's the biggest culprit? I already knew that. I knew it. The minute I asked that question, I already knew. It's always the youngest. I'm stealth. And also, I pick things strategically where it takes them months to figure it out. So I can.

And then like one day, like I'll get a text being like, does anyone know where this is? And then I have to think about how am I going to get it back into the house without them, knowing so that it's like it's like a game for me but i'm i'm i'm a i'm a borrower i i steal i would say that was the biggest argument between my sister and i especially growing up because when i was a freshman in high school and she was a senior i still remember the day she walked up to me in the cafeteria and she said take it off and i said excuse me she said take it off right now and that's my shirt take it off and I was like we are in what are you supposed to do what are you supposed to put on that's what I said I said we are in the cafeteria what do you mean and she was like the minute

we walk through that door when you get home take my shirt off I was like that sounds better than in the cafeteria I'll take it yeah it was always and the best part was is like we would do it to each other. Yeah. It was always like, but I definitely stole more of her shit and was more inclined to stain it, which was really, I get it. Hindsight's 2020, guys. You have to be careful. No, you do. There were, there were unfortunately, Danielle had like, I don't even know if you even know this Danielle, but Danielle had these neat Monday jeans, cheat Monday that we got like super, super, super discounted, like, because the Cheat Monday is like. Skinniest of skinny jeans. And I wore them and I got like some sort of like oil mixture with mustard.

Like it was like a stain that was like a fucking stain. Like I think probably there was like a beat like something that would not come out. And like when it happened, I was like, oh, we're good. I'm just going to wash them and it'll be fine. And it didn't come out. And then you set the stain. I threw them away. I fully just threw them away. I fully just threw them away. And I was like, I'm hooked. I threw them one. And the truth comes out. See, she never knew. I'm strategic. That's a big yikes. That's a big yikes. I, I hid them for a while, but then, like, there were times where it was closed calls where, like, I knew where they were. And, like, she was looking around at that area. And then at some point, I was like, I have to throw

these away because if she finds them and knows that it's definitely my fault, I threw them one. sorry but this was also very long time ago sorry to know i'd do the moment wow i think you owe her a pair jeez yeah you owe you a pair of her jeans monday cheap monday jeans yep now i would say the girls right now are not in the phase obviously of stealing clothes but they are very much like the toy situation right so we're currently handling like full w w smackdowns in the living room because they took the necklace or you took my dress-up shoe. And how do you handle it? What do you do?

It depends. It depends who started it because certain kids will stand up for themselves and other ones will not. From the second that I was like, I had my own thoughts, like, and I could communicate, S.E had us trained. We would never, we never tattletailed because Scy knew, like, if you tattle tail like do you want the consequences like you're going to have to compare as he was full older sister like kept us on lockdown like could she ruled us we were her we were but i like that i like that i um when we registered wyatt our oldest for preschool

i wrote in her description of her personality strong leadership qualities a.k.a. She bossy. Yeah. She bossy. And like I can only hope that she leads the pack for sure. In like a strong, confident way that I truly believe she can. Yes. It's very indicative of an older sibling. There's like a whole thing on birth order. Like she's going to be here over. She is a firstborn daughter. So Estee always had the front seat on lock. Like if we were just going with one parent and, you know, SD automatically front seat every time. There was no shotgun in this family. It was, I'm sorry.

If we could roll out a red carpet, we would have. Now, the last question is something that I ask a lot of our guests sort of advice that they've gotten in their life. So I will ask you guys, what sisterhood advice would you give me to make sure my girls grow up with a great bond like the three of you have. Your sisters will be there for you till the day that you die. Like, you will have friends that come and go. You will have, you know, boyfriends that come and go. You will have all the, like, people always are, it's, it's, it's a revolving door of people

that will be in your life. But your sisters will always be there for you. So you have to keep them close. And I think that has really bonded. us through our whole lives of like, I can say, first and foremost, in a crisis, my sisters have always been there for me. And there has been many a crisis where I'm like, you need to pick me up. And it's like no questions asked because like we all know that we would do it for each other. So like we've been extremely bonded in the sense of like, no matter what happens on this

earth, I have my siblings forever. Because they'll always be in your life. You can't get rid of them. They're your blood. I'm instilling that immediately. Yes. Although I have already told them like these they've tried to tell occasionally when they're pissed off like no you're not going to be my sister anymore i was like oh that's not how sisterhood works so it's gonna be super fun when they get into the like preteen teen when they're all in that like weird awkward stage that's like where we really because like when we were babies like obviously we would fight with each other and like that like mantra didn't really kick it until estee got her license and then it was like oh older sister has a car. Now we got to be like, we really got to bond together because we got a ride now.

Like we have a ride. We have a sister that's going to drive us around. And it was like, there's a deeper appreciation. Yes. Yes. She's our means of transportation. We need to get. She's getting us the fuck out of this house, guys. We're getting out. We're getting out of this house. All I was. That's literally all I was. I was over before Uber. It sounds like you were the fearless leader. She was. Exactly. I just wanted to get out of the valley. That was all it was. I just wanted to get out of the valley and go see shows.

I don't know, Dianna wanted to do the same thing. So I was like, just get in the car. Let's go. Getting the car ride. That sounds lovely. It sounds lovely. I hope our girls do that.

Now, thank you guys so much again for coming on. And once again, Himes, I quit tour starts this fall. Tickets are on sale now. you there you're the best and that's a wrap on another episode of not going to lie you can find even more clips for my longer conversation with hym on my youtube channel on more shit monday i'll be back

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