Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & Millie Bobby Brown on Her Adoption Journey, Grieving ‘Stranger Things’ & Worst Mom Shamers | Ep. 70

Episode Date: June 11, 2026

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie brought to you by DoorDash and this time she’s chatting with iconic Stranger Things actress and secret NGL superfan Millie Bobby Brown (22:40)! They talk about what it’s like to be new mothers googling everything, Millie’s journey to motherhood, life after Stranger Things and her new movie Enola Holmes 3. Kylie starts the show by sharing what she really thinks about the new viral trend of ‘dot’ cakes, and her latest crash-out… bleaching her whole house after finding mouse droppings (1:34). And we also find out who won the Battle of Love Island: Kylie or Queen Emma (5:08)? Then, Kylie talks about how to summon a baby ‘sh*t-storm’ in the newest Doomscroll of the Week (8:52) and how crucial sleep is to new mothers (15:35). She also answers some more of the Real Ones’ questions about the best cat to get Jason on board and her dream guest (18:20). Kyle is then joined by Millie Bobby Brown to talk about all things motherhood, from studying poop charts to “mom-shaming” on the internet (49:25). Millie also opens up about the adoption journey that led her and her husband to their little girl (39:01). Then Millie reveals what it was like to come back again as Enola in Enola Holmes 3, which releases on Netflix July 1st (54:39). And Millie admits what it was like to grieve the end of Stranger Things, and how she called all of her cast members as the show wrapped up its final season (57:35). You can find even more clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Millie on our YouTube channel on More Sh*t Monday. . Download the full podcast here: Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/not-gonna-lie-with-kylie-kelce/id1780888125 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0RgXbSGGmwpzAyeLHbDqUD?si=4585dab89c4f4c11&nd=1&dlsi=e178bf324b99403f Follow Not Gonna Lie on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: lnk.to/j61XD8 Purchase Brand New NGL Merch: https://www.nglkylie.com Support the show: DoorDash: When life gets crazy, DoorDash helps bring some order to it. Order Now. https://www.doordash.com/ Peloton: Let yourself run, lift, fail, try and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread+ at https://onepeloton.com  Oura Ring: Discover how Oura can help you better understand your health. https://ouraring.com/store/rings/oura-ring-5    Sunglass Hut: Visit Sunglass Hut and find your perfect pair for Summer. Sunglass Hut – Own Your Moment. https://www.sunglasshut.com/us  Liquid IV: Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to https://www.liquidiv.com and get 20% off your first purchase with code NGL at checkout Allstate: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You’re in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary. Subject to terms, conditions, & availability. Allstate North American Ins. Co. & affiliates: Northbrook, IL. Make sure to watch Millie in 'Enola Holmes 3' on Netflix on July 1st! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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chance in hell. A literal shit storm. Like the pasta attachments for Play-Doh. Put a hat on your baby and put a sock in your mouth. Oh my god, a 21-year-old mom and oh my gosh, how good she could meeting her was just like, no, this is, this is everything. That's your baby girl. And then I just immediately started calling every cost member. Like, you're still gonna like be in my life, right? Like I was really, really scared that I was like, it was over. Not gonna lie, Finney finally. got on the beach. We were very curious about whether or not she was going to like the sand because she doesn't particularly like grass between her toes. And it turns out we got a little

beach baby. I'm very excited. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, A Wave Original, brought to you by DoorDash. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I'm 511 and married into a similarly tall family. I'm familiar with Dot Cakes because I saw them on the internet. That's right. They hit my for you page because I'm cool and young and hip. Yep. So I made one. A couple. I made a couple. We made it three nights in a row. And they were delicious. It's like crunchy cake. It's actually very tasty. I don't know that I would wait in lines for them for that long, but they were delicious. And I'm still recovering from a very recent crash out. I am very particular about the kitchen and food preparation and in particular dishes. I love my dishwasher and I love running it on sanitized. That's my favorite setting. I love heavy duty and I love sanitize. It makes my heart happy. I like to blast, basically power wash my dishes and then heat them to a temperature that is

going to annihilate anything that could possibly meet on them. Here's the problem. last week I got an error code on my dishwasher. The error code suggested that the heat pump was no longer functioning. So I called the repair service. And they very nicely came out. The very nice gentleman said, I'm going to have to pull out your dishwasher. I'm going to have to flip it over to access the heat pump. Then I'm going to replace it.

Then you should be good to go. Wrong. What happened then? A waterfall of dog food was being stored inside of the dishwasher. and to make room for their storage of dog food, they decided to chew every wire they could find. Who's they, you might ask? Those, I was going to go so hard on curse words. The rodent, aka the me-mow, is what I call them to make them less threatening to me.

me. My kids know them as me mouse. They're mice. Needless to say, I was on the phone with Queen Emma while I was angrily bleaching the entire kitchen floor because there was mouse droppings. And I don't want hantavirus from other people or the authentic way through rodent feces. In your kitchen. I hate my

They just They're all naked tails This is not a matter of cleanliness I want to be clear on that There's gonna be so many people with opinions on this They am mice in their house You probably do too The fuck?

No, you can't keep them out We're gonna figure this out It might Maybe end up in a situation where there is a Beline resident. Now that we went on that ride, I'm still, I still am crashing out.

I, I, it's, it was bad. It was bad. Oh, it was so bad. Oh, thinking about it is making my skin crawl. Okay, let's get into today's episode. Coming up, I'm going to talk about the most ridiculous blowout situations I've been in with my children. How to be the best aunt or uncle ever. And after that, I'm going to be.

joined by someone I have no business speaking to. Actress, Millie Bobby Brown. We're going to talk about all things, motherhood, stranger things, and the importance of telling people to fuck off. Also, Anola Holmes, three. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. But before we get to that, we got to get to the most fiery, most no bullshit, real one comment of the week we've ever had. Brought to you by Peloton. That's right, Real Ones. We had a couple questions for you last week. And you, You answered. It was a clear hell yes to a monthly adoptable animal segment, which I'm very excited about. And the most emphatic. Hell no, I've ever seen in my life to Love Island. There are over 600 comments on YouTube and roughly 87% of them is some version of,

fuck no, do not watch Love Island. Absolutely not on Love Island. Please, I beg you no, Love Island. I love you guys so much. I love you guys. I think you're amazing. I think that this is women supporting women. And I am so happy to finally pull out a win when when it comes to our fan questions, me against Queen Emma. Thank you guys for this. This is the one that really mattered. Queen Emma wants me to defend Love Island a little bit. because people are being harsh. But I need to remind you guys that I have built my TikTok algorithm brick by brick. And I got the clip of the two individuals saying, go birds to each other. That was beautiful. Okay. And then I got multiple people saying, hey, I'm going to have to sit my

millennial ass out on this season. I'm not doing it. Much to, uh, Queen, I'm as dismay. Your loss, you know? It's not my, it's your, it's your, it's your, it's legitimately your loss. It's literally my loss. It is literally my loss. It is actually your loss. I'm not used to losing these polls. How's it feel? Not great. Not great. I'm so glad. I thought I would win. I knew it was going to be close, especially because of the way you set it up. Yeah. He wanted to defend you, but it's fucked up. Once again, I just want to reiterate, you lost. 52% of Real One said, no, we are not watching Love Island.

I love that for me. I will say Real One, JJ Rood 13, did have an interesting idea. You should make Jason watch Love Island with you. I'm going to tell you right now, there's no chance in hell. I have met so many people that have told, me that they watched Love Island and that their significant other actually got more into it than they were or that they were locked in and waiting for the new episodes and they were invested. It wouldn't be my husband. I'm telling you right now. It would not be my husband. If you truly

want him to watch Love Island, I'm going to need you to go over to the other podcast and comment that shit on there because I'm not conveying that message. What if you both watch it the next time he's on Not going to lie. Absolutely not. He watched Twilight. Are you watching this season yet? Emma. People are talking some mad shit.

Yeah. Mad shit. Maybe I'll agree with them. But hey, if you want Jason and Kylie to watch Love Island, you let us know right in the comments. I'm sure he'll do it. Yeah, let us know in the comments that I don't read. That'll convince them. That'll get me.

That's what's going to be the what that's going to be. That's going to do it. Absolutely what's going to do it. All right. That's it for Love Island. Woohoo! Like, legitimately, that's it for Love Island. And Real One Comments of the Week, brought to you by Peloton. Next, it's Doom Scroll the Week. Brought to you by ORA Ring. The world's smallest smart ring is here.

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Very excited about this. All right. First up on Doomscroll, a literal shitstorm is about to strike for this mom's tiny human. We're all on the edge of our seats. Queen Emma? This says, my baby hasn't pooped in days, so I dressed him in white and took him in public with no extra outfit. I'll update.

Now, she's doing all. of the right things. Okay. She is tempting fate. Not only through the white outfit or through going out without any additional outfits, also putting them in a carrier. Okay. My girls, for some reason, loved to capitalize on an opportunity where there was no room for it to go. Okay? Saucer seat? Top choice. The baby Bjorn little bouncer. Every single time. I feel like it was the baby equivalent to a squatty potty. Don't worry.

This mom, she's a kind and loving soul because she gave us an update. And it's good. Queen Emma the clip. You can see where we're at right now. The blowout was of a diabolical nature. What seemed to do the trick was putting him in my favorite sleeper, bamboo from Wildford. And it was white.

Sat him in his bouncer and drink some coffee. I was having my coffee. I told my four-year-old, you know, why don't we go to Barnes & Noble's today? So let's get a coffee. Let's walk around a little bit. And while I was making those plans, my three-month-old heard me and said, you know what? Sounds better? Why don't I just shit everywhere really quick?

And then we can go to Barnes & Noble's. Perfect. I'm telling you, every time the baby ends up with something firmly against their butt, that's the key. I don't know about your babies, but mine, when the feeling struck them, gave an enthusiastic push. Guys, we're talking at the very least up the back, okay? if you're lucky out both sides. Like the pasta attachments for Play-Doh, you're welcome. This is repulsive.

We're going to have to bleep all of this out. Godspeed to that mother and to everyone else who is waiting on a poop, because that's when you know it's going to be bad. When you're waiting on it, when you're like, we haven't been there in a few days. Yikes. And last scroll from one sleep deprived month. mother to all the others out there or those who have been there before. Does it get better? You know what sounds bomb right about now? She's tearing up. Hours of uninterrupted sleep.

That's all I want. I'll even take. Okay. I feel this in my soul. I say any chance I get to talk to a new mom that I think sleep deprivation is one of the worst forms of torture. I still remember when why it wasn't sleeping. And I would have almost like hallucinating during the day or completely forgetting things or it was crazy. And you just want to sleep and your body and your brain needs sleep. And yet you're still running on autopilot because tiny humans. Finn, our youngest, is 14 months, almost 15 months. She is doing a much better. She was never a terrible sleeper.

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for a little while. There was a dream situation I had to deal with. We had to talk about it out loud so that it can't come back. Everybody knows that. We are a house that believes in sleep training, but we, I just want to make sure that my kids sleep in their own beds because I think that that bodes well for everyone's sleep. So, yeah, I, we tried our best to sleep train. And for the most part, I think it worked. I will say, I do think it's very funny that at any given point, if your kid who was previously sleeping is not sleeping and you Google it suddenly, sleep, regression. We're in a sleep progression. Oh, how old are they? My kid's not sleeping. How old are they? Nine months, sleep regression. 15 months, sleep regression. 18 months, sleep regression. Oh, are they learning

something new? Yeah, they're a freaking baby sleep regression. What? They have a sleep regression every time they learn a new skill. You're kidding. You're joking me. No wonder we're always in a sleep regression. What the heck? Well, that does it for Doom Scroll the week. brought to you by ORA Ring. Moving on, there were so many questions from the real ones last week. We still have some bangers left. So let's get into a brand new edition. Ask me some things brought to you by DoorDash.

Because ask me anything needed boundaries. First up from Rachel Fox, how can I be the best aunt ever to my niece? Don't have kids of my own. I don't know what to do. Oh, I know. Be present and let them get away with shit that their parents will not in a safe way. and that about sums it up.

You are allowed, you have aunt-uncle grandparent privilege, that's what I call it. You are allowed to spoil them to some degree. So definitely just be present, love on them, and you can spoil them a little bit because that's your right as cool aunt. Also, take her off of your sister's hand. Is it your sister? Take the child places. Yep. Next question from Real One, Danielle. After pushing out babies, do you pee a little when you run? And how do you stop that? So I feel privileged that I did not experience this. I would pee a little every time I stood up out of the car when I was pregnant with Bennett. Literally every single. When I hit six months on, I peed a little every single time I stood up

out of the car. So there's that. But I don't have an issue after pregnancies. One of the things that I would recommend being a completely minimally informed, non-medical, opinion, I think that means that you should do some focus on repairing your pelvic floor. From Killian, would Jason consider a large indoor cat like a Maine Coon? I love Maine Coons. I think they're beautiful. I think they're amazing. I love little tufts on the tops of their ears. They're incredible. I think they're a very dog-like cat. I also think a rag doll is a very dog-like cat because they're just fucking along for the ride. So the problem with both of those breeds is that we got long hair. And I don't think Jason's going to go for that. But I'm willing to take a whack at

it. And last one, dream guest dead or alive. Where do I start? Let me start with pink. She did an outstanding job hosting the Tonys. And whenever she wants to come on a podcast, we will take her. Please and thank you. I don't even know. Guys, Rihanna, Beyonce, Dolly Parton, Quinta Brunson, because Philadelphia, guys, I got any on all of it. Okay? I'll take, just come through, guys. Come through. Okay?

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This is my all-time favorite podcast ever. Like I'm not even, I'm not saying that. Like, I watch every episode. I love it. So this is really like I specifically was like I need like if she will have me I would love to go. Millie, this is not waterproof mascara. Stop. I know. It's funny like my husband will be like Mill you've already watched that episode. I'm like I know. Stop it right now. Yeah. I'm a huge. I'm a huge. Thank you. Thank you. Also your babies. Oh my God. When they.

come on. I cannot. They are so delicious. They love to insert themselves into any situation. That was me. That was me. And that's now a child actor. I mean, our oldest recently had to do something for school where it was like dress up as your future self. And she was like a rock star. And I was like, okay. But we could pick like a nurse or an artist because mostly because I had those things in the house as dress-up items. And then it was a little more straightforward. And she was like, nope, a rock star. And then she dug her feet in.

And then she was a rock star. She wore a sparkly cape to school. My father-in-law would be proud. He would be proud. I love that. Yeah, no, you have to, like, that was me. I wanted to be Hannah Montana. My parents had to break the news that that wasn't an actual job, which I was really

pissed about. But then I found my own Hannah Montana way. there you go. Perfect. Okay, I'm going to intro you and we're going to get right into it. Okay. Let's see if I can read this morning. She's the Emmy nominated and SAG award-winning actress, you know from her hit show, Stranger Things, and her incredible mystery movie series, Anola Holmes. And we're all about to get to see the newest one because Anola Holmes 3 comes out July 1st right on Netflix. She's also a fellow mom, animal lover. And now she's officially not going to lie. It's Millie Bobby Brown. Welcome to the show.

I just go fucking chills. I'm so excited. We have so much to talk about. We really do. First of all, I have to tell you because stranger things, fucking perfection, insanity. Right. Like so good. Thank you.

Every single time I think of it, though, all I can think of is. My six-year-old, now six-year-old, but when this happened, she was not six-year-old. She, oh, maybe she was. My husband, late at night, watching Stranger Things in the living room. Okay. And the next day, our six-year-old comes downstairs, and she's like, I had a bad dream. Oh, no. I'm like, did you really?

Yeah. I was sitting on the steps watching the show. And I said, what do you mean? And she was like, I was watching the show dad was watching. Oh, no. What show was dad watching? She said, something scary. And I had to then text my husband, be like, what were you watching last night?

And he was like, stranger things. And I was like, oh, well, so was Wyatt. And he was like, I had no idea she was on the steps behind me. Dog, Democles are scary. That's horrific. It might take her a couple years. Yeah. We're going to have to come back around on that one.

Yeah. But now every single time I think of Stranger Things, I think of the mental image of her just sitting at the top of the steps like, sweet, baby. That is that, I mean, yeah, that is, that is really tough. I wonder what recently or like a long time ago. No, no, no, not that. Not that long ago. Oh, okay. So it must have been like the last season, which I think so. I think quite scary. she caught a good one i to be fair she's not she doesn't like anything that's even like on the cusp of scary oh my god so i love that but it just cracked me up there like she did not say anything to my husband who was sitting i mean we live in a split level she's like seven steps away from him directly behind him and didn't say a word for her she's like and then she went back to bed which is kind of amazing i could never have done that as a child i was really really really like really I still am very codependent with my parents and like have serious co-dependence. So I would be like I'd have to make myself known.

Yeah. She didn't. And she told me the story. What about your other babies? Are they like are they able to tolerate that like any of them? Our third would. Our third would be like I'm a hop in there. Well, speaking of my little muffins, uh, I want to officially congratulate you on your

little muffin. Thank you. How are you finding motherhood so far? I love it. And I think for everybody who is like, oh my God, a 21-year-old mom and oh, my gosh, how good she? I think, well, I'm having the most amazing time. It's literally my husband and I say all the time, but it's like going from black and white to color. Like it's just everything feels complete and perfect in every way.

And don't get me wrong. it's full of, you know, moments of like, oh, what do you, what do you do in this situation or, you know, but it's the most amazing thing ever. And I think raising just, it's a huge responsibility and raising, raising a daughter specifically. I know people are like, what about raising a son? It's like, no, I, of course, every child is having, like, every child is a responsibility. However, I do think raising a daughter coming from my experience of being in a really, having a really public childhood, and get criticized as a girl and as a woman so frequently, I just take it very seriously to raise a girl that can be proud of who they are

and be confident and embrace it. Just coming from my experience specifically, I think it was like really kind of my goal to just provide a world where she feels really safe and loved and nurtured and embraced. And that's what my parents did to me. So I think that's just, you know, and that's why I am the way I am. because I was always just encouraged to speak my mind and be myself. So my daughter the other day, she's really into like, just for no reason.

Yeah. And I do it back. And then we start kind of having a little bit of a debate. And I love it. And Jake is like, I love this because, you know, you're fully encouraging her. I'm not shushing her. I'm fully embracing the fact that she's telling me something in a really passionate way. I don't know what she's saying.

but I really hope it's kind of life-changing. Now, you mentioned that you have these moments of, like, what do I do? Yeah. I want to be abundantly clear. It doesn't matter how old you are. That's one of my biggest realizations of motherhood is that nobody knows what the fuck they're doing. Nobody knows. We're all winging it.

And your baby knows it out. Your baby sometimes looks at you and they're like. They can smell fear. Do you know what you're doing? And it's like she's taking it. me on. A thousand percent. She's calling you on, she's calling you on the car, but she's like, yeah, you seem like you don't know. You seem like you've never seen a poop the screen before. What are you talking about? And I'm like, that leads me right to my next question. How many things

have you Googled? So I, when you hold back? Um, I do. I'm so proud of you. Thank you. My husband says, Mill, don't be a Google Warrior. And I'm like, you're right, you're right. And it takes everything in me to be like taking a picture and like searching it. Be like, does this look good to you? And then I realized after about six months, like I would say a good six months, you're like, anything with the baby, it's, it's, anything is a free for it's, you know, that color like, you know, that color like, you know, of poop or that weird like Twitch that she does is just because something spicy. You know, you kind of are like, oh, I'm starting to understand that like anything goes. They're all different.

And so you can't Google something and hope that you're going to get the aunt. You're not. Like every baby is different. And I think the key in that is use moms as your Google. Like if you have mom friends, just say it to them because they'll be like, oh my God, like they did that. That happened to me. that happened or actually something even weirder happened and you're like, what the fuck? Like, I've never heard of that before. So it really does help just talking to other moms.

I'm not, I wasn't huge on that in the beginning because I was like, I don't want to compare because I'm going to get stressed, like if she's not doing something. But actually, it's the best thing for me. And I love going to my music classes and like talking to the other moms about everything. That, I'm so proud of you for not searching it. Because. Do you still do that? Surely not your own... Oh, number four. A thousand percent.

The number of times I have Googled. Now, granted, I have studied these charts. I'm not kidding. Studied these charts the number of times I've searched them. I have searched poop charts so many effing times. I'm not, I'm not, this is not, I'm not trying to be funny. I truly have searched, yes, to see the color and the texture and to find out if it's normal or to find out what's going on. And finally on the fourth one, like we've had a,

we've had a kind of crummy stretch here with diaper rash. Okay. But I know, now I can't wait for me to say this on the podcast and the medical experts to get in the comments like, you sound like an idiot. You know what? I'm going to need you guys to think what would be helpful. And you saying I'm an idiot, not helpful. Doesn't help. Yeah. No. When they're teething. Yeah. And they have like so much excess saliva, sometimes that can cause a little diabetes rash. That's true. And diarrhea. Yes. Teathing. Every symptom on the planet. It's first of all trash. Yeah, 100%. But like, if she's doing something even remotely weird, they're like, that's probably teething. I'm like, what? But I have searched poop charts. You have to. Repeatedly. Yeah. It's really all about problem solving.

But the problem solving right now is like, okay, I know you really, want to do that, but we can't. So let's problem solve. Let's figure out another solution for you to be happy or problem solving in. Clearly you have a stomachache. What has triggered that? Now we need to, now we need to open an investigation. Strings are coming out and Anola Holmes is coming in and I'm just like, I'm feeling very passionate about figuring out what the fuck is going on. You've been training for this is what you're saying. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, the one thing I will say, my my husband and I were talking about phones

and like when he got his first phone I got my first iPad when I was like eight years old which is insane iPad one the iPad one and I was saying my gosh what happens when our like our daughter's kind of what age is that you know and what does that look like in 15 years I don't know and I heard your take on the kitchen phone

and I love loved it. I was like stealing that. That's mine. That's happening 100%. You know, there's a, you know, as with everything, there's internet trolls that are like, good luck. I can't wait until she's 12 and everybody on her class has a phone. And I'm like, guys, I don't think you understand. I came from the house where my mom regularly said to me, well, I'm not so-and-so's mom. Yeah. I'm not your friend. I'm not here to be your friend. I'm here to be your parent. Yeah. That's, That's the house I was raised in. Yeah.

I've been training for this shit. Yeah, exactly. Period. I don't. By the way, I don't care that Emily has a phone. I actually don't care. Like, it's not happening for you. So you better get over it because you're going to be sobbing the whole summer if that's.

It's like I'm the kind of, I'm 100% going to be and have been the daughter that has been like on the receiving end of like it's not happening. So you might as well come to terms of it. And I feel it's. being on and also you now like on the receiving end of what comes with having a phone it's actually I'm protecting you from the exhaustion of receiving messages and calls and emails and awful bullying and hate it's truly it's the worst thing I carry around with me all day long it's terrible it's awful if I could go back to my LG flip phone I would I had an LG flip phone because they're the best recently for having just for fun.

Yeah, Kylie, this is different. You had it for like actual logistics. I was like, oh my God, this is so nostalgic for everyone else. This is so cute. Let me hook it over my pocket. I was like, this is fun. I'll have this. And so, yeah, it took me ages to text people on it.

So I was like, I can't do this anymore. There is nothing more satisfying than hanging up a phone call by shutting a phone. Oh, my gosh, divine. By the way, when my, when my daughter and, and I, we pretend to go on the phone, I'll be like, hello? No. Uh-uh, not today. And my husband goes, why do you answer the phone and you're playing with her,

but you're immediately angry? And I was like, clearly that's how I feel every time someone calls me. It's like, nope, uh-uh, not happening, not today. And so I'm teaching her to basically say, no, no, no, we're not doing that. And he's like, now I've, so now I have to be like, hello, how are you? Oh, but I'm making up a scene in my head that's just not realistic. And so I've really had to catch myself because I've learned that I answered the phone and I just immediately start berating.

Well, it's nice that it's nice that you came to that realization because I only came to the realization that I'm having very serious phone calls when our third was in the corner playing by herself. No, I cannot today. I am not doing that today. Yeah. I'm like, who are you talking to? Yeah.

Her agent. I mean, she's negotiating a deal and it's going to be amazing. Yeah. It was outstanding. She was firm. She held her boundaries and she did it with her whole chest. And I'm here for it.

Yeah. I said, that's my kid. I think it's the cutest thing when babies. It's adorable. I'm not interrupting. Absolutely not. Enjoy your playtime. Right?

Yeah. Um, now. we've talked about the journey to motherhood in so many ways on the show. But something we have not touched on a lot, and I think it's so important to highlight, is adoption if you're open to talking about it. You and your husband announced that you adopted your little girl. Did you always see adoption as part of your journey to motherhood?

100%. Yeah. Always, always wanted to, always wanted to adopt. It was always part of like my childhood dreams. Every time I, um, uh, was at home and I was, you know, five, six years old, my parents were like, you had your baby dolls, they were all adopted. I never had any of them. I never pretended I was pregnant. And it's not because I don't want that. I, you know, I hopefully one day that's in my future. But for me,

adoption was always a part of my future. Adoption is love. Adoption is forever. And like, there's so many things that I have learned before. I took so many courses, like so many courses is in adoption, what it looks like on every other end of the spectrum on being, you know, a social worker. I went to school to be a social worker for two years and then I switched to being a vet because I love animals. But, like, truly, I, like, loved the aspect of adoption in my social workforces were, like, was everything and so, so meaningful and important.

And then I also learned what it, you know, speaking to and reading a lot about being a birth mother. and what that journey is. So for me, my husband and I took a lot of time to focus on what that story and what that journey looks like. And then we embarked it. So I think that there's multifaceted, but yes, it was always part of my journey. Now, for anyone listening who's considering adoption as part of their family's future, is there anything that you'd want to share with them?

Every journey looks different. You know, you're waiting for the call is the hard. hardest part and I always just say like you're I love meeting other adoptive parents like it's my favourite because I just feel like we're one and and it's just a really different experience however I just would always just encourage you to understand every journey is different don't compare yourself to other don't compare yourself to just like statistics and don't compare yourself to other families and like your baby's out there and you'll find each other And yeah, I'm a big believer in that.

And I, you know, that's something that I prayed for every night. And, and, you know, I was just very, very grateful that our journey and our baby was out there. And I, and we found each other. Now, did you know that phone call was coming? No. Like, do you, you don't have any anticipation. It is really just a cold call. Yeah.

Your baby is waiting for you. It's a, yeah, it's a conversation. And it's just really like, for me, I think it's very important to just always know, like, to trust your gut. Like, for me, my gut was like, yeah, that's it. That's my, that's my gut. That's my gut. So exciting.

And I think, yeah, I think that it's just, it's a very, very, it's just welcoming any, you know, any baby into your life. My maternal instinct just kicked in. I'm an arn and my maternal instincts like kicked in. I was like, this baby is like part like, I will protect this baby at all cost. So being a mother, my maternal instincts, like meeting her was just like, no, this is everything to me. That's your baby girl.

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you're showing your daughter how badass you are, is by being a working mom and doing what you love. Yeah. Has she been able to see you in action on the set? So I filmed a romance movie and she was on set with me every day. And it was really funny because she would like watch the monitor and know, no, no, it was me. And I just literally would like walk off of a tape, grab her.

You know, walk up of a tape, grab her again. Take her outside, go for walk. any 10 minutes I had with her. I was with her constantly. I did not miss a feed. Like I based my whole day around every single feed for her. So and my husband the same. So we were, and he was producing the film.

So for us, like, we just tag team constantly. And then, and then the other day, I popped her in, like her little stationary, you know, Walker thing. And I was like, I wonder what I, like, I wonder what she'd do if I just put, like Anola Holmes on. So I put it on and she was like, she really not interested in screens.

Like she doesn't care. Like she doesn't grip to a screen the way I think most children do. And I think it's great, but it's also like, you don't love my work. But anyway, so I like put the film on and she was like, and then she just like, she heard my voice and she just like, it was my voice.

Like I think, mommy looks different sometimes, but like my voice like stood. She was like, that's her voice. And I think Anola really sounds like me. So, it was, she was like, oh, that's mom. And she couldn't take her eyes off the screen. But she did when every other actor went on the screen,

she was very, she lost folks. She was like, I'm, this is boring. She was like, I'm not here for you. I know. And I was like, this is like Henry Cavill. But I do think, yeah, I do think, yeah, I do think. She's like, no, I can't. No. But I do think, yeah, I think it's a pretty,

it's a pretty amazing thing to be able to, I look back on my childhood and everything was filmed. I think that's kind of an amazing. thing to be able to say. I can't believe that I'm able to show her what I was like when I was 10 years old. Like I was an NCIS when I was eight years old. I think it's hilarious to be able to be like, that was me and to be able to reflect on that. There are so many things even my husband's like, you, you were in that. And I'm like, yeah. And then we watch it back and I'm just like, I can't believe that I was so young. And like, you've got a six year old. I mean, I started when I was eight,

but just to think like she could, you know, that's possible is kind of, it's kind of amazing. And I think to be able to have that for her to look at should she even be interested, which I, you know, I'm totally welcoming her not to be. But that is so beautiful that you basically have a time capsule. Yeah. Of you. Yeah. That is that she will get to have forever.

Yeah. Yeah. That's so amazing. I know myself. Like I really can't believe I get to just like do that. And by the way, some of the things I want to die. Some of the things, like, some of the interviews I've done, I'm like, okay, who needed to, like, brain her in? Like, Millie, shut up.

And that also haunts me. So it's really good intake. My digital footprint is really, you know, I was a flat author at, like, 12. And I'm like, get off a live stream, bitch. Like, what are we doing? And now I'm like, oh, my God. So, yeah, I had a phone. And that was the problem with me is that I definitely had a phone.

It sucks that like literally the whole world got to see it. But at the end of the day, I have really, really thick skin. And I just, I don't. I really have never cared. Like a lot of people have a lot to say about, oh, you got married too young. You had a baby too young. You know, you did this, you did that. Why are you wearing that?

Why do you look like that? I'm at a point where like, I don't care about myself. I don't care what you say about me. I'm very used to it. It's like growing up and like, you know, with that, you just. it's second nature to you. However, I do have a problem about it happening to other young girls. So that's where I really, I really just, I'm very lucky. I have a great support system and a, and a healthier mindset about it. But I'm very aware that others might not. And that's where

things have taken a turn for child actors. And so if I can, like, if I can have anything to do with it, I will always call people out on that bullshit. It's funny because I feel very strongly the same way. really it I just don't care what you say about me because at the end of the day I know me you the people who are making the comments probably don't yeah and I but I do get feel like viciously protective of other people and like when people just want to be outright mean to others I'm like no you can't do that like I'd rather you say it about me than say it about them 100% because I'll wear it Yeah, proudly. At the end of the day, I probably don't even have enough time to read your bullshit.

No. Literally. And also, like, all of these people, like, what I, I was always like, oh, my God, these are all men, like, saying all of these horrible things. And then one day I figured out, like, actually, quite a few of them were women. And I was like, this is vicious. Like, you are vicious. And I don't have time for angry women that just need to feel. like they need to bring you down, especially when it comes to motherhood. I've never experienced

anything like this. It's like, you know, I could always deal with like that, oh my God, you showed your nipples? Like, what a bitch. Like, and I'm like, whatever. Like, I don't care about that. But when you're like, you didn't put a hat on your baby and it was in, and I'm like, try putting a hat on my baby. Come on. Come on. I dare you. Put a beanie on her. She's literally like, Bubbum, like, you just stay in your own lane. Put a hat on your baby and put a sock in your mouth. Sorry. The English is coming out of me.

But it's so true. I'm just like, shut up. I have said a number of times that within motherhood, and here's where people get very confused when I've talked about it previously, is that I feel very strongly that one of the worst things is when people give unsolicited. advice. And I'm not talking about the people who give advice that you've asked for or helpful advice. I'm talking about the people who look at you and in a very judgmental way. Yeah. Say to you, that baby should have socks. Yeah. And I'm like, hey, I've actually, I came here

with four pairs of socks in my pocket. And she had two socks on her feet. And we now. have one sock. We came with five socks. Five sets of socks. That's 10 socks. Cheryl. And now I have one sock. You tell me how a baby that has two feet is going to wear one sock. Yeah. And somehow now it's on our hand. I completely agree with you. I when people are like when they offer and I luckily feel like I've dealt with it mostly online. but when I do experience it in person, a lot of people will say things like, you know, they'll be like, oh, that's a really big piece. Like, are you going to let her eat that? And I'm like, yeah, like, I know what my baby can eat and what she can't, you know, like, I will draw the line where I feel is necessary.

And I think it's very important. And what my in-laws and my parents taught me is just like, they don't offer me advice. They're very much like, they just let me live. They're really good about that. And they just are like, but then they'll say like, oh my God, I love the way you do that. And I'm like, okay, like I get that. I need validation. It's helpful to hear that I did something good. But they're very much like, we hated that. We're not going to then be the parents to do that. So I'm really happy it like traveled. That's so nice that that's your network. that that's who's closest to you is that you're experiencing that. Yeah.

Because I know that that's not the case for everybody. No. I luckily am in the same situation where my parents and my in-laws are very good about like, you guys are the parents, you guys choose how things go. Yeah. And but it is, it is crazy to hear the stories of people who when you think, when I think about the like horror stories of people sharing unnecessary advice, that it's,

I think about it as strangers and some people are getting it in-house. Now, I do want to circle back to your new movie really quick because I do, it comes out on July 1st. And so we got, we have a little bit of time here. And so I just was wondering if you can give away any spoilers. And if you do, we'll just bleep them. Okay. What are you most excited for fans to see in Anola Holmes 3?

Oh my God. Okay. We're going to bleep it out. We'll bleep it. Tell me everything. Okay. I'm most excited for. fans to see another

I'm really excited about that really excited about some of the new actors on the film and everybody kind of enjoying their characters and also we filmed in Malta and I feel like it's a really have you ever been to Malta Kylie? No yeah yeah well it is a very small island like these tiniest tiniest minute island except it has the most amazing culture and it's very vibrant and it has like you know, we lived there for basically two months. And it was just like an amazing experience.

You go out, you could go and get Italian food, but then there's a lot of Arabic influence. You know, there's a lot of French influence. It's like kind of amazing. It's like it feels like a culmination of a lot of like Africa and Europe. And it and it's really a cool place. And the accent is very like very specific and niche. And it's a really colorful place. So I really, really enjoyed that and I really am excited for people to be like take it like take us out of London for a moment and go to another place. I can't wait for the real ones to watch this. Yeah. It just feels I mean, I won't I won't touch on your spoiler because we're going to bleep it but then you can bleep me too. That feels so I love that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's good

Because you, you know, people are very confused by the fact that me, Millie, I'm really, you know, I encourage all young women and young girls to find their thing, fight for what they believe in, stand up, you know, on their own two feet and do it on their own. And yet, I will also encourage you to ask for help, to love others, to love deeply, and find your person. And if that person is your best friend, your own. aunt, your grandmother, my person was my nan, like she was my everything. And to find your other person in, in, which Jake and I started in like a, in a, in a friendship, but, but then it, you know,

grew. And I feel like in a lot of ways, the story kind of runs parallel through my life, in that I was feeling like I really wanted to be independent on my own and really do my own thing. and it didn't mean that I didn't have to do that, you know, without my best friend. Now, I do want to ask you some more about Stranger Things. The final season came out at the end of the year. How are you feeling now several months later? Feeling really. So I, oh my gosh, I don't know if I've done an interview since then.

I'm like, have I even spoken about it? I basically I cried for most of January. I had a bit of a bit of a just a lull in who I was. It feels like grieving. Yeah. And I think what was hard is that I knew what was happening. I knew the end. And I couldn't tell anyone.

And I wore black the whole press tour. because of the funeral of her. And yet, I didn't feel it as much until everyone else found out. And then feeling everyone else's grief made me like, whoa, like, it was too much. And then I just immediately started cooling every cost member. Like, just like, we're, like, you're still going to, like, be in my life, right? Like I was really, really scared that I was like it was over. And I just kept crying.

I kept crying. That is like multiple layers of grief. Yeah. And then I finally felt like I came out of it toward the end of January. I was like I had to, you know, I had to, because I read downloaded Instagram because I really wanted to see what people were saying about L and like her story. And then I had to delete it because it was making me too sad. And so I think toward the end of January, I, um,

I had to stop talking about it, like in my random conversations because it made me too emotional. And also now all I ever get is, I used to get, oh, are you 11 from Stranger Things? And now I get, I believe, I get people saying that they believe she's still alive. So it's a really beautiful, which also just evokes a lot of emotion for me. What you guys created with Stranger Things was incredible. I mean, you don't need me to tell you this. I'm pretty sure everybody tells you this. But what you guys created is incredible.

And the great thing about it is that even though the show is tied up and then again, a neat little bow. Yeah. Which is, I mean, I would say it's, well, maybe it's not tied up in a neat little bill. Because you still get that wonder of what is. Yeah. But you guys created something. that is so incredible that evoked so many emotions out of people that had people like on the edge of their seat waiting for the episodes to drop like you guys did that and it went all the way

through which I think is such an incredible accomplishment I think so many times you've seen a show that sort of like gets a big fan following and then sort of like it draws out so long that people are like well I didn't watch that last season or I didn't watch this people were on the edge of their seat until the minute you guys finished. And that's so impressive. Yeah, I mean, the fans, it's crazy to think that the fans stayed for that long and we're so dedicated, despite the years that we're sometimes in between the seasons. But I truly, I mean, I can't, like, I can't, I think that, again, it's just, it's the cost, like, we together, everybody individually had such an important role to play. And, um, um,

I almost all the time meet people that are like, I love this character because they made me feel like grave and now I want to be this and now I want to be this. And I think it's really cool. And then I majority of the time get young, young girls. And I'm talking, you know, sometimes six, seven years old. And I truly was like, if they come up to me and they'll say, can I be a superhero like you and I'm like that's like what you see me as as a put you know and then I'm like it's kind of amazing because for me like there's such a like I'm such a like I'm such a like my character's so layered and it's so complex and is she really a superhero and they're just that's all

they see and I think it's really cool to be able to to be that for for some you know young girl that you know is watching it probably because she's not meant to be and she's on the stairs like Wyatt But it's, that's what she sees. And that's cool. But that's so, it's really cool to think that, and I don't know if you feel this way, but having young girls, when I get to see, like, even just their, like my nieces when they interact with them who are like teenage girls, the different women in their life who interact with my daughters, who they see and idolize and see what they do and how they impact their lives. Like that's so exciting. for me. Yeah. And you get to do that on like this very high level. Yeah. Does having a daughter of your own

almost drive that home even more of like, I know that you've always been like a women supporting women and making sure that like we're uplifting other women, which I cannot get behind enough. Yeah. But it does does that like, do you feel the weight of that that you are influencing young women in a way that I would personally love to have someone being a role model for my kids? Yeah, I think I always felt it. Like I felt the responsibility of that. Sometimes it was great. Sometimes it was really overwhelming because I was like, I feel like I can't make a mistake. However, now having a daughter, I'm like, every child I meet, I see her in them. I cannot thank you enough for coming on. This has been an absolute pleasure, an honor. I know we just talked about it, but I do have to say, you are an incredible example of women supporting women, of motherhood. I hope you fucking put your noise cancelling headphones on and block out all the haters because that thick skin is doing well for you.

And you shouldn't listen to any of the hate because you are incredible. I'm so, so happy for you and your husband and your little baby girl. And I wish you guys the best. my gosh, Kylie, this has been an honor. Like, seriously, I love, I love your podcast. And I'm nobody probably ever does this to you, but I just want you to know, like, your transparency, the way you are, like, I can tell you, you're speaking from the heart and you're not saying things to be just a certain way in the world.

Like, your podcast, I feel like is a really great outlet. And I feel like when I'm watching you and other guests, you just allow people to fully speak their truth and who they are. and you just, you're not jaded. And I like love that. And I love that I feel like this podcast is that. So I think we need more of you in the world. So thank you for having me out.

Thank you so much. And remember, real ones to go watch Anola Holmes 3 on Netflix on July 1st. And that's it for this episode of Not Going to Lie. You can find even more clips for my longer conversation with Millie on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back with a very special Father's Day episode next Thursday. Any guesses on our guest? Hint, it's not who you think it is. Comment, and we'll see if you're right.

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