Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie & Ms. Rachel on Surprising Celeb DMs, Good vs. Bad Screen Time & Gen Z Slang Pop Quiz | Ep. 30

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Lululemon and kicks off the show by getting honest about her high school field hockey team’s preseason and how she’s preparing as a coach by catching up on all the latest teen slang (2:25). Kylie gives hilarious guesses for the meanings of new slang phrases like “aura farming” and “glazing.” Then in Doomscroll of the Week, Kylie was tagged countless times in the announcement that “Love Is Blind” is officially casting in Philadelphia (8:212) so she weighs in on what a Philly season would look like and also offers some Philly specific dating red and green flags for the contestants to keep in mind. After that, Kylie is joined by Kids TV sensation, YouTuber, author and host of the number one children’s show on Netflix so far this year: Ms. Rachel (12:35)! Kylie shares the message Bennie asked her to give Ms. Rachel, as well as the girls’ favorite Ms. Rachel songs. Kylie congratulates Rachel on the success of her show and asks her about which celebrities she’s been the most surprised to hear were fans of the show (15:01). Rachel then tells Kylie about the origins of her YouTube channel, as well as her iconic outfit, starting with that pink headband (17:30)! Then, Kylie asks Ms. Rachel about the science behind her “sing-song” voice and what she’s really like when she’s home with her friends and not in full “Ms. Rachel mode” for work (20:15). Kylie also has Rachel play a game where she gives Ms. Rachel style pointers to adults for a change who clearly need some more instruction on basic social decency (29:03)! After that, Kylie asks Rachel about the quote “all screen time is not created equal” and the two of them discuss their favorite PBS shows (32:50). Also, speaking of PBS, Kylie asks Ms. Rachel about the comparison she often gets to Mister Rogers and what that means to her (35:45). Plus, we also get to hear the most humbling thing Rachel remembers her son saying to her (41:50). Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Ms. Rachel! . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show:   Lululemon: Shop the new Align No Line™ Pant at https://shop.lululemon.com/ It’s the Summer of Align No Line Pre-Order Ms. Rachel’s New Picture Book: https://www.amazon.com/Ms-Rachel-Bean-Bedtime-Routine/dp/B0F1JSQ2PL Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I'm not going to lie, before we started recording, I had both an everything bagel and a gooey chocolate chip cookie. So I was really living life on the edge. I did check for seeds in my teeth and chocolate on my face, though. So hopefully I got all of it. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave Original, brought to you by Lulu Lemon. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey. I'm permanently late. I famously do not lie, except to my children. And I sent Queen Emma no less than seven photos of turtles when we went to the zoo the other day. I didn't want her to miss out. Look at how lovely these photos are. Well, now that that's been addressed, coming up on today's episode, I'm about to start coaching high school field

hockey again very soon. Yes, that's right. I haven't let it go. And I won't. I haven't had a fall without field hockey since seventh grade, either coaching or playing myself. We have actually a segment today to catch us up on the latest Gen Z terms because I can't keep up with the slang that they use and I need to know what the hell my players are saying. Also, a lot of you have tagged me in the announcement of Love is Blind casting in Philly. And I've got a lot of thoughts and a few tips for anyone auditioning. After that, I'm going to be joined by the kids TV phenomenon in my house and likely all of yours. She has 16 million YouTube subscribers, the most streamed kids series on Netflix and a pair of overalls you'd recognize anywhere. The one and only, Miss Rachel.

Moving on, let's get into a brand new edition of, can I be honest? My high school field hockey preseason is about to start very soon. People are extremely surprised by the fact that I still coach high school field hockey, but I love it. I love my athletes. I love still getting to be around the sport of field hockey. I love the fact that all of my girls who are seniors I have been with for all four years because I've been there that long. And I feel very honored and privileged to be able to spend time with them and help them understand why I love the sport the way I do. And also teach them something, I hope. I hope. Now, I do like to take some time to prep before the season starts. And I figured I'd start right now by catching up on the latest

Gen Z and Gen Alpha slang. I didn't even know we were. Have we moved on from Gen Z? We're on to Gen Alpha. Kiss my ass. Wait, the children that are in high school were born after I graduated high school. Let's have a moment of silence for this realization, please. That sucks. Wow, this is not a moment I was prepared to handle this morning. Okay. Wow. Woo! Okay.

Now, I will put it out there that my players are typically very kind in that they do not throw too much slang at me because they know I have a very limited capacity for this type of thing. But we're going to try our best. In past seasons, I've learned all types of new phrases. Suss, Bet, Riz, Cap. I'm still not sure about cap. It's a brand new year with brand new slang. The slang I've never heard.

So let's change that right now. I have a stack of note cards right here with official definitions from parents.com. So it's, that means it's something that a millennial mom can hopefully follow. I'll take a guess on what they mean. And then I'll read you the actual definition so that we can both learn together. because I just, just even, even glancing at what's coming up, I am certain I have no freaking idea. So number one is chat. There's no way this means anything more than we're going to sit down and have a chat. We're going to chit chat. Oh my God, this is so bad. What? A term of

address that refers to an audience or group of people. The term chat is similar to bruh or dude no that's not thing chat what's up or chat is this real oh so your text you're addressing the whole group chat okay okay okay i got this that's that's dumb i'm just gonna throw that one out there sorry that was mean but i stand by it uh number two clock it um another another another way to say it is clock that tea um what clock it is like um i'm going to assume it's it has to be something related to like a your timing it clock it let's see used to call out hidden truth or expose someone's real motive in a playful or knowing way it's a way of saying i see what's really going on i can get down with that i can i like that i like to clock thing so clock it that's nice

I like that. I'm going to keep that one. Number three is aura farming. What? Maybe it's when you take from someone's positive energy and like turn it into your own positive energy. I don't know. That's wow. Oh, no, that's not what it is. Used to describe someone who is trying to project a certain self-image to avoid being judged similar to a try-hard. Okay. Bro is aura farming. What the fuck is happening?

Number four is glazing. I'm hoping this isn't something out of the m- Oh, God. In my head, it just went to like, glazing has to be what happens after glazing. Maybe it's wearing a lot of jewelry. Maybe it's like, we've all seen how to lose a guy in 10 days.

Maybe this is like an ice yourself, frost yourself situation. Maybe it's glazing. Maybe we've moved on from frosting, now we're glazing. Is that what it is? No, of course not. Why would that be what it is? Over the top flattery to the point of being kind of embarrassing. It's when someone hypes up a person so much that it starts to feel performative or fake.

Use in a sentence, bro is glazing. Okay. I did not know what a single one of these things meant, but now I know. So clocked. It wasn't right either. The article from Parents.com also lists some terms to watch for. Good God. Oh, my ball.

My ball, unk, and buns. Okay, I can't. I don't have any guesses on my... Queen Emma is asking me in the rundown if I have any guesses on my ball. No, I do not have guesses on my ball. Is Buns really Gen Z slang? No, Buns is always. If Buns is exactly what I think it is, like that's buns, like that's ass cheeks.

Like, that's terrible. That's what it means. and if it's not that, I don't want it. Okay? There are some things that we should just let be, and buns is one of them. So if you're trying to make buns into your own thing, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, you can kiss my buns because no, okay? That's it for, can I be honest?

Let me know what I missed at NGL with Kylie. Feel free to send in any other terms that maybe your kids are using that you would like to educate me on because I do feel a little lost. but I think we can get through this together. Next up, let's move on. It's Doom Scroll the week. First up on Doom Scroll, I scrolled my way through my mentions to find that you all tagged me, a lot of you tagged me, in the announcement for Love is Blind because it's officially

casting in Philadelphia. They are looking for a dumpster fire, and you know what they're going to do? Find one. Okay. at Alicia McGuire quoted Fox 29 Phillies announcement with I'm going to need Kylie and Jason to co-host this at Jason Kelsey at NGL with Kylie. First of all, shout out to Nick and Vanessa Lachay, who hosts the show.

We are not coming for your jobs. We actually, I'm going to speak for both of us when I say we don't want it. I don't watch this show. shocker. But what I will say is there is a small chance that I watch the Philadelphia edition because there is something about when a show is related to or based in Philadelphia, we can't get enough of it. It's like the most self-centered, self-serving. We're like, yeah, let's watch it and enjoy it and then feed off of the comments of people who are watching it and like, wow, this is, this is terrible or this is a dumpster fire or did you hear

their accents? That sounds, they don't even know how to say the word water. It's fun. It feeds us. I'm not kidding. I really think it like excites the masses in Philadelphia. When mayor of East Town came out, that was like, that was incredible. Some Philly dating red flags that we can put out there for contestants um queen emma put a couple in the rundown we she absolutely nailed this one okay being from the philadelphia area but rooting for the cowboys you're just trying to piss people off and it's working fuck the cowboys uh calling pork roll taylor ham run do you want to know why you should run if they're calling pork roll taylor ham they're trying to coax your ass across the bridge to jersey don't do run. If someone doesn't care about the 2008 World Series, no, you're done. You're done. We don't have

anything else to talk about there. Philly area dating green flags, if they grew up going to the shore, specifically saying, we go down the shore in the summer, saying words like hoagy, maybe they frequent a Wawa, maybe has a cat name Chase Sutley. That call is coming from inside the house for sure, because that was our cat's name. That's it for Doom Scroll of the Week. Miss Rachel is coming up soon. Again, no business, none whatsoever. But first, Lulu Lemon.

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and there's no mistaking that iconic voice pink shirt and overalls she's also a new york times best selling author, an educator, a fellow mom, and now she's officially not going to lie. Rachel, a.k. Miss Rachel, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm a big fan. Oh, thank you so much for being here. I'm not going to lie, this episode has been a long time in the making. We're huge fans of you in our house. Big, big fans. That's so sweet. Now, the girls first started watching, obviously on YouTube, they were big music kids. I love that. They love singing songs. specifically hop little bunnies is big hit in our house. I love hop little bunnies so much.

It's so good and everyone lays down and they're sleeping, you know, the whole thing. We do the whole thing. Yeah, Susie, my new little baby, she's almost six months and we were hopping like bunnies together this morning and she doesn't even understand what a bunny is or sleeping, but she loves it. Yeah. Because it's just a good time and they know it. I did tell the girls that I was meeting you. Well, I told our third, Benny, that I was meeting you today.

And I asked if she wanted me to tell you anything. And she said she wanted me to tell you that Ellie broke the cup. So she's using this opportunity to rat out her sister. It's okay to accidentally break things, right? Yes. Yes. We love mistakes. I'm still unsure what cup she was talking about, but she felt strongly about that's what you needed to know.

I appreciate that. We are, of course, far from alone in our love of your show. Ms. Rachel is officially the number one kids show on Netflix so far this year. Congratulations. Thank you so much. How cool was that to see? Everything surprises me. I guess we're kind of in denial about that.

But it's nice because we're like, wow, yeah. I appreciate it so much. It makes me so happy and I feel so grateful that so many families enjoy it and find those moments of joy singing. together and bonding and I just feel like the luckiest person ever. I have the best job in the world. Now, I was pleasantly surprised to see that Robert De Niro is a Miss Rachel fan and that you sent a video for his daughter to Drew Barrymore's show. Oh, yeah. We actually have the clip right here for our viewers, Queen Emma. Hi, Gia. It's Miss Rachel. What's that? It's a taxi. What does a taxi drive?

drivers say are you talking to me who has been the person who is a fan of you that was the most surprising because I feel like Robert De Niro yeah so I am elderly and so I don't I'm an elderly millennial or elder millennial I think it's called okay so I'm not amazing with Instagram so I didn't know about the requests and top requests. So I ghosted some people for like months. Anyway, so I'm not a like cool person who like knows a lot about celebrities. So when I saw a bad girl Riri, I was like, wow, this person has so many followers. And then I was like, this is such a cute little profile picture because it's a drawing.

No idea. asked some, but I asked people who were around. I was like, do you know who this is? And then, yeah, I realized it was Rihanna. Small flex, tiny little flex. That's, that would, did you like gasp? I did. I did.

I was like, wow. And, yeah, that was crazy. I'm trying to think of who else. I don't know if you can talk. Can you talk Rihanna? Oh, you know, I did get to sing with John Legend. that was so cool. I was a fan of him way back in high school. I loved piano pop and I love all the pianists like Sarah Varelli's and throwback to like Billy Joel, Stevie Wonder. And so yeah, I was like, whoa, that's so cool. And I knew an album that he was like, nobody knows that album and it's not even available anymore. And I was like, I can sing every song in that album. I'm like barely a fan, but I can sing you every song from an album that no longer is available. That's all. Awesome. For anyone listening who isn't familiar with your background, you're very open to what led to your first YouTube channel. And that was your son's speech delay? Yeah. Yeah, he had a severe speech delay. He didn't talk till he was about three. Really? Yeah. I think the first word was two years and nine months. Okay. Yeah. So he's so bright and just the sweetest, most wonderful little guy. And as a mom, when you see them struggle with something, I mean, he's so bright.

I know you know, like, it just breaks your heart because you're like, oh my gosh, how do I, how do I fix this? And I feel like a lot of moms will, you know, I would stay up all night and learn about speech. I got a mouth puppet that I don't use on the show. But I like literally got a mouth puppet and would do like tongue mouth, huge puppet things to him to try and help him. I was telling your producers that when he was little, I used to put on like some pop patrol and then I would edit and interrupt it and be like it's mommy and I do like a few speech with things with him yeah I'd be like

say me and then I'd be like back to poppichol oh like a little speech commercial so with his own thing yeah oh because I was telling them that he watched it and he didn't really get that like it wasn't like entertaining and cool I mean he didn't get that it was like me making him watch it and then once he could talk he was like no mommy show yeah because he was like I think I can hang out with you and like do things with you and like then watch my shows. Yes. So use the TV for things that I don't get to see face to face. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Like I mentioned before, the music from your show is a hit in our house. But you just mentioned how your husband Aaron is a Broadway composer. Have you guys ever talked about doing a Miss Rachel Broadway musical?

We would love to do a live show. That would be very cool. And thank you for noticing the music. I really appreciate that because Aaron he does a lot of like underscoring which not everyone appreciates but if you don't have it it's like where's that underscoring he's just a brilliant pianist and then we write a lot of songs together and then he writes songs and himself and then he has like live instruments play on the track sometimes which I really appreciate and he has Broadway friends he has on and yeah we actually co-create the show completely together and I have to give them a shout out because people usually say just the music but um it's like yeah it's it's equal and I kind of get all the credit so I love you Aaron love you babe good job Aaron yeah couldn't do it without you keep going

wait what's like go Mr. Aaron yeah stop Mr. Aaron um well in addition to your music I love how educational your show is especially when it comes to language development um and your voice and the way you speak is a huge part of that, right? And I believe that I'm not sure that if it was you or someone else was explaining because someone had made a comment about your voice, like a parent. And I'm not sure if it was you or someone else, but I remember seeing someone sort of do the breakdown of like that sing-song voice is actually a tactic in sort of like speech pathology and trying to get kids to sort of sing it back to you almost. what do you say to people who like comment on your voice in the show because obviously it is not

your everyday voice you know so I well in all cultures naturally people raise their voice talking to babies and now that I know that science I always watch it and it's so interesting to watch like a guy be like hey how are you like oh and I'm like wow you really like yeah it's really cute So something I do that I had heard Mr. Rogers does is I imagine one kid, often like a kid I worked with before or like just saw doing make a wish or just a kid that like, you know, pulled my heartstrings and fills my heart with joy. And so I imagine them. And then that voice just comes out. My voice has always been high. Like since I am an elder of a millennial.

I remember in high school being like, hello? And people would be like, is your mommy there? And I'd be like, I'm 15. So I've always had a high voice. Yes. Naturally a soprano. But yeah, so it's interesting too. Like when you talk to a baby, you elongate it.

Like, hello. And it sings songy. And that's kind of just like my personality too. So it works out that it works for the show really well. And it's backed by science. Now, when you first meet parents who have, have watched the show, how often do you have to politely ask them to call you Rachel and not Miss Rachel?

My friends that I've known for 20 years will, a Miss Rachel will come out. And I'm like, you cannot call me Miss Rachel. You knew me as Rachel before I was Miss Rachel. Yeah, I'm like, what are you doing? So no, right away if people message me and they're like, hey, Miss Rachel, and they go, you can call me Rachel. My name's actually Rachel, so weird. And then I taught I was Missa Curso, so yeah.

So I'm like, oh. So it is very much tied to the current phenomenon. Yes. I love that. Now, Miss Rachel's also got a signature look. Kids recognize your pink shirt, your overalls, and your headbands anywhere. And one of my favorite TikToks of yours is explaining the origin story of the pink headband. Queen Emma is going to play it for us.

Yay. Why did you decide to wear a headband for the Miss Rachel? outfit. As someone who has flyways myself. Yes. I love that. Has Jason ever just talked to you normally when your hair is, like Aaron has talked to me normally when there's like a huge thing and then those and I'm like, hey babe and he's like hey and he doesn't say anything yes a number of times where I've ended up back in front of a mirror

and been like how did you keep a straight face looking at me like it will be like so and he doesn't it's screaming and it's nearly touching their nose and you're like you didn't want to tell me my flyways were so out of control he doesn't care it's cute though that they're just like it's very sweet right now we've been talking about miss rachel and your on-screen persona I'd love to you more about yourself. Great. That's so kind. There's something I've really wanted to ask when you are fully able to be Rachel. You're at home with your friends. Do you swear? Oh my goodness. So I feel like you just answered by saying. I was just wondering. I was like, am I going to come on? There's going to be a lot of swearing because I noticed it in the other

episodes. Yes. But I was like, you totally can. Um, but okay, so my new thing is spelling swears. Oh, perfect. I say holy S-H-I-T. Love it. And Thomas spells. So he's like, why are you smelling shit? So it's not useful, but I keep spelling it. Yeah. And it doesn't help him. I mean, it lands it a little lighter. I feel like that's like as if when we were younger and I'd be like H-E-Double hockey stick because I wasn't allowed to say hell, you know? Yeah. I feel like it lands it a little softer? I like that. Yeah. No, I like it. Okay. Yeah. No, I do. Especially like when I used to play Super Mario Brothers. That's when it would come out. Okay. Yeah. Are you competitive? No. But with Super Mario Brothers, it's just like you fall into that hole and you're just like, yeah. I love that

I feel like squares don't sound right coming out of my voice though. That's part of it. That's okay. I feel like with small kids, it lessens your ability to have the time. Like, you decrease sometimes the availability of your swears. Like you're saying you spell them out. Every so often, one will pop out and they really do not happen often, which is hilarious considering how often I use them. But every so often, one will happen. And I have a moment of, yeah, I'm just not going to acknowledge that one.

because I do think it feeds it a little bit. Like I think when you acknowledge it. Thomas is a detector. Okay. He roams away and he's like, did I hear shit? What happened? What'd you do? What'd you mess up?

Yeah. Yeah. No, ours are funny because they will pick out words that are not typical swears in other houses. So like we're not going to say shut up in our house. Even the suggestion of it makes me like itchy. We don't say a few things. Yeah. stupid hate and shut up.

Yeah, we don't say stupid either. And once in a while I'll be like, that's stupid. And Thomas is like, we don't say stupid. So that's where they, if anyone in the house says the word stupid, someone in the house is going to be like, did you just say? Yeah. Who said stupid? And you're like, wasn't me. It was her. Because that's the words they latch on to, but they will not latch on to the grown-up words the same way anymore. Which I think, I don't know if it's a a brag or what, but they've been so desensitized by the usage of them in our house that they're just like, that's not exciting anymore. Oh, that's a good tip. Try it at home. Don't let's try it at home. Do not try that at home. I'm briefly interrupting my own conversation with Mr. Matro right now to

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Okay, so the first one is you're on a plane and the person sitting next to is blasting music from their laptop with no headphones and people around you are pissed and the music isn't even good. Oh, man. I think Ms. Rachel would say, is there any way possible you could use headphones? That's such a gentle way. Oh, I love that. Okay. Number two, you're out with your friend. You're out with them and their new boyfriend. They have a new boyfriend. He won't stop staring at his phone. He's not engaged in the conversation. He's not asking any questions. He's just doom scrolling. First of all, I'm going to give you some advice. dump him. But what would Miss Rachel say? Um, well, she'd probably ask him a question to try and get

involved in the conversation. Perfect. And then she'd probably wait till after and be like, I noticed that Bobby was on his phone a lot and, you know, what do we think about that? I don't know. Yes. No, that's good. I like it. Okay, this is the last one and it's totally definitely hypothetical. Okay. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. You're out on your first date with a guy you met on Tinder. And he drank too many beers, really weird. And he fell asleep at the table and his friend had to fireman carry him home. What would Miss Rachel say to him? I would say to you, you should marry him. Great foreshad Because I've seen your show

But I wish I didn't know that story But I do That does it for Coach Me Up Thank you for playing That was fun Now something else I've been so excited to talk to you about Is motherhood You're a mom of two now

Congratulations on your little girl And on your new one Thank you I've said this before on the show But people will often say that Because I have four kids I know what I'm doing which I do not because you are Miss Rachel do people assume that you have some achieved some level

of like expert parents yes and I like to be like I'm just a regular mom yes yes and something that I think about all the time as this quote there's no way to be a perfect mom but there's a million ways to be a good mom and so I go for the good mom that feels good Yeah. It feels attainable. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't need to be the best mom. I need to be a loving mom. Yes. And I have a lot of unconditional love. But I also have those boundaries and rules.

But no, so I was staring at Susie. And you know, okay, she's like, she was around like three months and we're staring at each other. And you know you do all the things they need. And she's not sleepy and she's just like looking at me. And I was like, this is my time to shine. I'm Miss Rachel. It's time for a song. And then I was just like, I couldn't think of any. And I have like, baby learning one, baby learning two. They're hours long.

And I was just like, I got nothing. I went blank. Yeah. You got stage fright in front of your eyes. And then I did like the Miss Rachel live show. Perfect. But yeah, I went blank. Did you like have a good laugh about that?

Yeah, I was like, I talked to myself. I was like, you're Miss Rachel. You're trying to give yourself a pep talk. You've got this. Yeah, this is your thing. You've made a million kids smile. More than that. No.

You can make your own baby smile. Yeah, and she sometimes is, she's a tough audience sometimes. If she wakes up from a nap and you're like, oh, then shut them, she's like, uh-uh. No. No, I'd like to shut them again because it's time to go back to sleep. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Our most recent is also.

a tough audience. Yeah. Yeah, she's, she makes you work for a smile. Yes. Well, I'd love to circle back to a topic. I've been excited to get your take on, which is screen time, which we, we touched on briefly. But I've heard you say the quote, all screen time is not created equal. Can you explain that a little bit more? Yes. So I think that some screen time is faster pace. And I like for little ones, the slow pace. I love the interaction. So the pausing for a response, encouraging imaginative play. What else? I think what's great about PBS and our show as well as there's a lot of research behind it. So if you think about a show, you want to know, like, who's behind the show? Who's working on it? And where are they getting their research? So, yeah, it's not all equal.

And, yeah, I'm obsessed with, like, PBS. So are we. We're big Sesame Street household. I love Wildcrats and Zbumafoo. As someone who loves PBS and works in the world of kids programming, why do you think it's so important to make sure that everyone has access to these types of shows? Well, like I said, they're backed by research and you can trust them. You can put them on and do the dishes, and you're not going to come running back hearing something.

and yeah they've been around so long so you just they're trustworthy and there also shows that we very much I am a very much like screen time is great for dishes to do something that yep to do something that I don't necessarily want sick day ducklings right three ducklings following me around the house to do these things it's easier to just like quick get it done I think it can be beneficial I think what's important for the really little ones is that you balance it with what Harvard calls like serve and return interactions so just like we said with the babbling or like they're looking at a toy and you're like wow that is a red tractor you know just like those those nice interactions and then they say rum rum and you're like where's the

tractor going like you're just having back and forth interactions because if those are missing you can't you can't get that same quality from TV yep so but um you know as someone who grew up with a single mom may know that the recommendations can be really unrealistic and that there are shows that are beneficial. It also, I've found that the PBS shows, like specifically Wildcrats, like I was a sucker for Animal Planet when I was growing up and I loved watching Zabomofu. And I feel like it's fun to sit down and watch it with them as well. Yeah, and co-viewing is really beneficial. Because we talk about it while it's happening. When we watch your show, we sing the songs together. It's, it gives them a moment of like, did you see that?

And you get to sort of validate their excitement in what they're watching. Yeah, and you can extend it to like an art project or like you can pretend to be hermit crabs outside or find like a shell and it's a box. It's so much fun. Yeah. Speaking of PBS, the headline of your new profile in The Washington Post is Miss Rachel grew up on Mr. Rogers and now she's carrying on his legacy. you've been compared to him for a while now how do you feel about that i can't accept it i mean he's a saint to me and um he's just yeah he's i've admired him and he's been my hero for so long um i read his like in my 20s i would just like read books about him i think like maybe seven years

ago i um i read his whole biography and decided i was going to write a musical about him and it's just ended up going into kids media because I didn't, even at like 30, I just, I didn't see that happening. And it's so funny because I applied to be an intern on Sesame Street when I was in my 20s. I was like, I want to work on Sesame Street. So it's just funny that everyone was like, this is obvious, Rachel, because you like had a Sesame Street backpack as like a 25-year-old and like, why is this new to you? You have like a Mr. Rogers book like on your coffee table. I do like the idea that you were more surprised than the people around you. that it was so obvious that you're in the right field of work.

Yeah, no, totally. That's so interesting. Yeah. That means you were really meant for it. Thank you. Like you, Mr. Rogers also advocated for children as well as human rights and equality. How has he been an inspiration for you in that capacity? Yeah, so I've watched all his documentaries and I knew that his kid show, I think was the

first or one of the first have a lot of black characters on. I heard recently that TV shows for kids should be a window and a mirror. So a mirror, they can see themselves in a window. They can see like outward and possibilities what they can do, what they can be. And I think that must have been really important to him and it's really important to us. And so when we decided to have Rahaf on the show, who's from Gaza, I actually took a screenshot of his pool scene when he had at that time pools were pools had been segregated so people um even through chemicals into pools that black people were swimming in um to try and get them out and he makes me emotional he decided to have this kitty pool and oh sorry he didn't mean to cry he decided to have this

kitty pool and sit with the officer clemens and and invite him to put his feet in together and then he, like, shared his towel. And actually, I saw that some people who wanted things to say segregated, that that scene ended up being, like, a conversation in their home, like, wow, Mr. Rogers was comfortable sharing his pool. And I thought that I wanted people to see Rahaf and her joy and see her. There's so much dehumanization that goes on with kids. And, you know, it happens with kids from different parts of the world, kids who have disabilities, and just to see her joy and see her as somebody who loves half little bunnies. And it was cool when I posted that people, it was sad and beautiful that people said comments like, oh, this made me realize that she's just like my child. so hadn't seen her as as like their child until that moment but it's it's it's great that people

can can change in that way and yeah I just I think I knew that that wasn't easy for him and that he got a lot of hate mail about that but it was the right thing to do and so I would look at that screenshot when whenever I had a lot of backlash about it and it was funny because I was really had a bad day about some backlash and was so down and Aaron brought in a present and it was wrapped and everything and I was like sometimes it's funny people will like project or call me like a saint and it was funny Aaron and I were watching the news once and they were like she really is a saint and he like did the slow look to me like because he knows me when I'm like hangary and like I can be a real baby he was like oh he loves me and adores me but it was just

funny because he knows if I haven't eaten in the morning and I've had like two cups of coffee and he's like have you had breakfast he tries to say it like a nice way like I think do you know gently you seem hangary yeah do you want toast um so um he brought me this gift and um I was like I don't want it unless it's a Mr. Rogers autograph like that was so mean Like, he had a gift from me, you know. And then he's like, I think you should open it. And why did I say that? That was so mean. But it was, Mr. Rogers had handwritten part of it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, the music. You manifested it. It was really sweet. That's incredible. Yeah. And he had, I kind of knew Aaron was on the lookout. Sure. I probably had like mentioned that that would be something I would really love. You know how that is. So. A gentle suggestion. Yeah, yeah, a few suggestions.

Were you blatantly tell them. Yeah, a few times. Got it. Like, yeah, so I opened it and I started bawling because I was just like it was such a nice sign. I feel like there's been a lot of signs that I'm doing the right thing and that's really cool. And I know in my heart. That's amazing. Thank you.

The last thing is something that I like to ask all my fellow mom guests. How have your kids humbled you? so I've worked with kids for a long time and they're so honest they're so honest they're so honest they don't know yet about like not being so honest I had to talk with Thomas about this just last night so he was looking at me like I was so beautiful yes and he was like mommy what are those lines on your forehead and I didn't know I had any lines on my forehead because like we talked about prior to taping, I lose everything and I lose it over and over.

So I lose my glasses so much that I just don't wear them and I don't have good vision. So everything looked really smooth to me. It's like a nice blur. Yeah. And I was surprised. I didn't know. I was like lines. Oh.

And then I had to do some inner work on that because I like to do this thing where you flip things. Sure. So I was like kind of I was bummed about that and of course I get the online comments like time for Botox. Yeah. Yeah. So I changed it in my mind from wrinkles to gratitude lines because I was like I'm grateful like not everyone gets to grow old and I'm so grateful for all that I've learned because in my 20s, I was a disaster. I meet 20-year-olds that have it all together, and I'm like, no. Yeah, I'm like, why? It couldn't be me.

Yeah, I was just hot mess. And so I don't want to go back to that time when I didn't, I had a smooth face and I was a disaster. No. I want to be here. These lines come with wisdom. Yeah, so I'm grateful for them. I cannot thank you enough for coming on to not going to lie. Thank you so much.

We are so excited to have gotten a chance to talk to you. I cannot wait to go home and tell my kids I met Miss Rachel. Oh, my gosh. But more importantly, I'm so excited that I got the chance to sit down here with Rachel. I'm so honored. And can I just say thank you so much for all you do for the Eagles Autism Foundation. And Mr. Rogers said, anyone who does anything for a child is a hero to me. And thank you for all you do for the children.

I mean so much. Happy to. Thank you for everything that you do. And like I said, huge fans of you in our house. And I so appreciate that you are offering programming to kids that is both enriching and helpful and something that I think all parents can be proud to put on in their house. That's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Ms. Rachel on my YouTube channel on Moorship Monday.

Her new picture book, Miss Rachel and Bean, and the bedtime routine is out this October. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. follow Not Gonna Lie on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Not Gonna Lie is a wave original brought to you by Lulu Lemon. Thank you real ones for tuning in.