Not Gonna Lie with Kylie Kelce - Kylie on Rooting For Travis, WNBA's FAFO Energy & Banned Kids TV Shows with Jerrod Carmichael | Ep. 28

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Visible and kicks things off by acknowledging some fun reminders of the fact that she and Jason share a studio space at their shore house. Then, with NFL training camp officially underway, Kylie gets honest about her family’s experience with Jason at Eagles camp over the years (2:42), including the girls’ real motive to visit their dad at the training facility and the public outrage over some videos of Jason playing with the girls in past seasons. Also, Kylie reacts to the major statement made by the WNBA All Stars when they took the court wearing shirts that said “Pay Us What You Owe Us” (4:59). Kylie gets into the misconceptions about this message and why she believes the players need to start getting compensated appropriately considering the new revenue and popularity of the game. Kylie then rounds out Doomscroll of the Week by responding to the news of Ms. Rachel ranking at the top of the Netflix charts. She then reveals even more thoughts on children’s television with her “No Lie Parents’ Guide to Kids TV" (8:24). Some of the categories include “Educational Shows with Music That Also Slaps,” “What the F*ck Is Going On Here?” and “No Offense, But These Shows Are Banned In My House.” After that, Kylie is joined by Emmy Award winning stand up comedian Jerrod Carmichael (17:27)! Kylie and Jerrod talk about the insane way they first met which was at Travis’ game against the Bills where Jason famously ripped off his shirt and jumped out of the suite to chug beers on national television. Jerrod breaks down his first impression of all the Kelces (18:09). Kylie and Jerrod also talk about how his friendship with Travis has turned him into a Chiefs fan and how he managed to avoid Cowboys fandom even though his dad rooted for them his whole life (21:15). Jerrod also asks Kylie for any tips on how to raise a “cool kid” for the future (25:10). Then, Kylie talks about some of her favorite parts of Jerrod’s latest stand up special on HBO Max called “Don’t Be Gay” including his take on celebrities who claim they don’t read the comments (30:08).  Kylie also asks Jerrod about his big time hosting roles for the Golden Globes and SNL and which one he was more nervous for (34:33). Jerrod speaks to some of the controversy surrounding his Globes monologue and they manifest another SNL appearance. Lastly, Kylie and Jerrod talk about his acting roles in "Transformers" since Kylie is such a fan of the franchise, as well as what it was like acting with Emma Stone in the Oscar-winning film "Poor Things" (39:28). Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Jerrod Carmichael! . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show:   Visible: Ready for wireless that lets you live in the know? Make the switch at Visible.com. One line wireless starting at $25 a month. For our best features, get the new Visible+ Pro plan for $45/mo.  Watch Jerrod’s Stand Up Special: https://www.hbomax.com/movies/jerrod-carmichael-dont-be-gay/797f6457-02b4-4309-8996-998dcf203d0d Donate to PBS: https://foundation.pbs.org/donation/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Not gonna lie. We're at the beach. So if you hear kids stomping, I can't help you Let's get this podcast started Welcome back to not gonna lie a wave original brought to you by visible live in the know. I'm your host Kylie Kelsey I was reluctantly in a documentary called Kelsey according to Sharon on YouTube. I have a potty mouth. Thanks, Sharon. And I unfortunately do know what a Labooboo is. They're haunting me.

I saw one hanging off of someone's purse. I'm not sure if it was a Labooboo or a Lafoofoo. What are we doing? Also, people calling it a bag charm, It's not a bag charm. It's a key chain. The fuck? Also, you can see I'm taping from our Shore House set today. Jason went on record saying that my setup makes him look better, which I think it's very hard for him to look bad. So let's start there. But second, that is almost to me saying that this is enhancing for me. Also when I came in to put my headphones on, they were stretched out.

It was like the cutest little like, oh, he was here. But also I look good without these lights. I almost, I almost said it with my whole chest. Almost. Then I was like, they're really helping the bags under my eyes. Okay, coming up on today's episode, NFL training camp starts this week. So I'm going to get honest about our family's experience with Eagles camp over the years. After that, you're gonna hear my conversation with Emmy award winning standup comedian, Gerard Carmichael. I had no business talking to Gerard, but it was incredible. We got to chat for the first time ever in Buffalo

when Jason jumped out of the suite and did his whole like, ah, shirtless. But before we get to that, quick merch update. We've officially restocked and extended our range of sizes on our merch. We've got you real ones. Check it out now at nglkylie.com. Queen Emma knows that I can't let this one go.

So if anyone knows a person who owns NGL with kylie.com and they wanna rat them out or they want to come forward themselves. Like just come forward and tell us. We want to know. We just want to have a conversation. All right, moving on, let's get into the brand new edition of Can I Be Honest? This week, can I be honest about NFL training camp? I'm gonna be. This is now the second training camp since my husband has retired. So I want you to take all of these thoughts

with a grain of salt. I know we are two years removed now and it's lovely. For anyone who isn't familiar with the NFL, as of today, 32 teams have officially started training camp. It's basically pre-season, okay? Another name for it. The Eagles have the option for the guys to stay overnight. Jason, when we were living in the suburbs, would often just

move down to the hotel because they are there for so many hours during the day and then all he does is go to sleep, get up and do the exact same thing the next day. And then they would get one day off a week and he would come home the night before, be home all day the next day and then report back. The best part about being a spouse during preseason is when preseason's over. It's not great. Even when Jason would stay at home for training camp, it was still the only thing we got to

do was sleep next to each other. So he wasn't home for dinner, he wasn't home for breakfast. So while Jason was playing, we had Wyatt, Ellie, and Benny. In an effort for the girls to see Jason and to get to play with him and enjoy some time, we would go to training camp probably once or twice a week. The girls would love to go to training camp for two reasons. Number one, Rita's waterheads. Number two, they got to play with Jason on the field afterwards.

There's a lot of videos over the years that have come out specifically Jason playing with the trash cans. People were bothered by that because it was a trash can. But what you don't know is that at those practices, those trash cans are just used to store footballs. So it's not gross. There wasn't trash in the trash can prior to my children being in the trash can. So not that weird. That does it for Can I

Be Honest about training camp. Moving on let's get to Doom Scroll of the Week. First up on Doom Scroll the WNBA All-Stars made a statement in badass fashion. Okay. When they came out for their warmups, their t-shirts said, pay us what you owe us. Nafisa Collier from the Minnesota Lynx said it best. Queen Emma, the clip. What do you mean by what you owe us? Um, you know, the players of what is what is building this brand in this league. There is no league without the players. And, you know, the past, present, the ones coming out, they're the ones that have put in the blood, sweat, and tears

for the new money that's coming in. And so we feel like we are owed a piece of that pie that we helped to create. This feels very much like fuck around and find out energy. The league fucking around. The players said, find out, check out my shirt, you know? These WNBA players currently make 9% of the league's revenue, which is low. You want to know why I know it's low? Because the NBA players make 50% of the league's revenue. That's crazy. That is a massive disparity. Players, they're just

looking for a larger share of the revenue. And this is an important point. They are not looking to be paid as much as the men. Okay? They're not looking for that because I think that's important to share. A lot of people, when they take issue with these conversations are having issue with the fact that the women's side of the sports are not bringing in the same amount of revenue. And so therefore, how are they supposed to be paid out at the same level as the men? Obviously, the WNBA knows what they're negotiating. The people whose argument is that they are not bringing in as much money as the men can kick rocks because that's not what the WNBA is trying to do.

The new media rights for the WNBA, they will be worth 2.2 billion. If they have increased their value in media by six times, then we need to jump that percentage so that the players can get paid out appropriately. As Nafisa said, they're the ones who are creating the entertainment to bring in this revenue. They are the personalities that people are latching onto. They are the athletes that people are there to support. They are why the fans are there. You're not getting money unless those women are on that court. are the athletes that people are there to support, they are why the fans are there, you're not getting money unless those women are on that court. We're going to have in the WNBA three new teams by 2030. Shout out Philly. The ratings

are up 23%. Ticket sales are up 26% since last year. We know that this has only sparked a fire that is burning bright Okay, we are watching women's sports more than ever But we need to make sure that our female athletes know that they can be compensated appropriately for being someone worth following they are role models to young women everywhere and They are bringing in the revenue that they should get a share of. I love these shirts.

I love the fuck around and find out energy. And to round out my doom scroll, I scrolled my way to an article from The Wrap with some news about one of my favorite kids TV shows. The headline says, Miss Rachel was the seventh most watched show on Netflix in the first half of 2025. It was also the most watched season of children's television on Netflix.

Miss Rachel, go off. We love that. I have said multiple times that we love Miss Rachel. And Miss Rachel is great because she sings the songs that you would love. She does legitimate speech pathology tactics and practices within the show. And also my kids love her. Since I'm talking, Miss Rachel, I figured now would be a great time

to debut a new NGL guide for parents, looking for screen time recommendations this summer. As always, these are my personal opinions about kid shows. That doesn't mean you need to agree. And if you watch any of the ones that I may or may not talk some smack about, that's great. I'm gonna be honest, I have no other way to function. So presenting my no lie parents guide to kids TV.

My first category, put this on if you want something educational, but the music also slaps Miss Rachel Obvious, okay Little bunny sleeping we were on that so hard I can't tell you how many videos I have of my children Pretending to go to sleep on the living room floor before they hopped the crap out of the rest of the song. Also, Sesame Street. It's a throwback. Big Bird is aging like fine wine. Really, I want to know his skincare routine because he doesn't look a day older than when I used to watch him when I was little.

It's crazy. The second category. I've seen every episode a hundred times and I'm actually okay with that. I'm going to tell you one of my favorite ones and I think this is most parents' favorites, Bluey. First of all, short episodes. I love that because before bed we can say one, two, three episodes. Even if you watch three episodes, you're barely hitting the threshold that you would hit if

you watch one episode of something else. I love that. Another one that is very rewatchable, Peppa Pig. Simple. It is lovely. It is honestly kind of funny. Have you seen Daddy Pig? Zabu Mufu. This is mine. Zabu Mufu is mine. I put it on selfishly. I love that lemur. I love that he looks a little unhinged. I've said it before and I'll say it again. That show is for me. Third category,

shows from my childhood I want them to appreciate. The Big Comfy Couch is the first one. Lunette and Molly are just hanging out on a couch. There's some dust bunnies underneath. They pull things out of the cushions. It's a great show. The other shows that we watch from my childhood

is Spongebob, classic. I don't need to explain myself. PB and J. Otter. I can literally, the second I said that it started the, whoa, it's stuck in my head. And the last one, Bear in the Big Blue House. When he leans forward and sniffs the screen in the beginning, it looks just like Baloo. It's so cute. I miss that dog. The fourth category is shows to put on when mom needs to get other shit done. Okay.

Big one, dishes. Anything of like that I can't have kids interested in. Sometimes it's just a matter of sending an email or maybe I can't do something while someone's talking to me so I need to give them one episode of something and these are the shows that I put on. Number one, Tots. I'm pretty sure I've expressed our love for Tots on here. Tots, number one, we listened to the soundtrack in the car,

outstanding. It's very good, underrated soundtrack. I have woken up multiple times at 2 a.m. singing the song in my head. They just get stuck in there. And the other one, Puppy Pals. Bingo and Roly are up to something. Category five, what the fuck is going on here?

These are shows that I Really just have I have a lot of questions Number one yo, Gabba Gabba. What the fuck? I'm sorry. What are what are they? If you've not seen that you should look it up just just google yo, Gabba Gabbaaba and you will literally say what the fuck chicken squad why are chickens doing missions why are they doing missions I'm confused I like chickens but I'm confused about the show the last category no offense but it's banned from my house? These shows are banned for a multitude of reasons. Some of them, I'm pretty sure there are studies

that have shown that these shows are not correct. They shouldn't be. Let's just get into it. Number one, Cocoa Melon. No, aggressively no. So no that if Cocoa Melon comes up on any of the screens, my daughters say, oh, we're not allowed to watch that

because I have doubled, tripled, quadrupled down. We are not watching Cocoa Melon in our house. I do think that we should question anything that locks kids in, the way Cocoa Melon locks them in, specifically as early as Cocoa Melon does. Now, if you don't have kids yet, or you haven't seen Cocoa Melon,

you might think I'm being a little unreasonable and a little dramatic, but you're fucking wrong. It is, it is not good. Sorry, Cocoa Melon. No, I'm not. I'm not, you're not allowed in my house. Don't come over. Yeah, I'm not answering the door.

Blippi. I don't even know where to start with this one. Blippi is weird to me. I don't like it. I understand that some of it is educational. I understand that it started like as an educational base. I'm good. Teletubbies.

This one is banned for a very specific reason. Ellie thinks it's creepy. They have TVs in their bellies. What? Teletubbies could kind of double. They cross categories here because they could definitely go in category five with what the fuck is going on here.

But they are also very much banned from our house. So Teletubbies, both category five and category six. let's just go there. last thing on my kids TV guide you'll notice I listed Sesame Street a PBS show in the top tier here and that's because it's a timeless educational institution that everyone deserves to access. you see what I'm saying? everyone deserves access to PBS. Don't worry, I'll be making a donation to the local PBS station. I encourage others to do the same.

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And for their best features, get the new Visible Plus Pro plan for $45 per month. Terms apply. See Visible.com for plan, features and network management details. He's the Emmy award winning standup comedian, writer and actor, you know, from the Carmichael show and his comedy special, Ruth annual. He's also hosted the Golden Globes and Saturday Night Live, and he just released a brand new standup special called Don't Be Gay on HBO Max. And now he's officially not going to lie. Gerard Carmichael, welcome to the show. Hey, it is funny here in the title.

Oh, it is called Don't Be Gay. Happy Pride, everyone. For anyone who doesn't know, we met the first time at my brother-in-law's game in Buffalo. We were in Buffalo. We were in Buffalo. Why did we choose Buffalo? Because we like excitement.

We like an adventure. We like to see people shirtless jumping through flames. Yeah. Now, when you were introduced to our family, because my mother-in-law was there, I believe my father-in-law was there with us as well. When you were introduced to the Kelseys, did you think that it was going to end up

with someone shirtless jumping out of the suite? You can't really expect that. You can't expect that because you think you're meeting a family and you don't expect anybody to take their shirt off. You think they'll be on their best behavior. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But it was fun.

Your mother-in-law is really cool. Yeah. Speaking of not going to lie. Right. I really, I meet her and she's so nice and so kind and sees past all my bullshit. That's why I love, I'm just like, I don't do the fake voice work

because she's like, it's not gonna work. And she's just, she's like, I love her. Did she make you work for it a little bit? Yeah, that's why I like it because it's just like none of that, she's like, save it. Like, sweet, she's not mean at all, but it's just like, none of that, she's like, save it. Like sweet, she's not mean at all, but it's just like- No, very sweet. Very sweet, but just like, I don't need this.

That's really lovely. I don't need the thing that you're like, hey, nice to, how's the weather? Like, I don't need that shit. She doesn't want small talk. She doesn't want small talk. I love that. I love that. Yeah, I love that.

Go ahead, Donna. We have the photo right there of Jason. Yeah, that was great, because Jason's really, Donna. We have the photo right there of Jason. Yeah, that was great. Cause Jason's really, I mean, he really just. He embraced it. He embraced it. And that was cool. That was really cool.

We're all just like, wow, is this really, he's really shirtless out there. Look at the rest of the suite behind him. We, before that game, ended up in this little corner bar. Yeah. That, I don't know if they were known for like anything particular, but it was, it felt to me like that is how you're supposed

to experience Buffalo. So wait, you got there early. Yeah. You're at a corner bar. You just like to hang out, get to know the locals. Is this your first time in Buffalo? This was my first time in Buffalo. And we ended up sitting at a table.

I didn't even end up sitting at the same table as my husband. Like we were, we were split up. I'm telling you, it was like a very, he's got to be amongst the people. He's, he was deep in it. Uh, and we were getting like paper boats of bar food. Like it was just, it was very, it was, yeah, like, you know, like when you go to like, um, like a fair and they have the checked like paper boats. And so they were just bringing out like pieces of pizza. And I was just like, what are we, what's happening?

And all the people in there were lovely. They were so excited to see Jason. They were telling him how much they enjoyed watching him play. I think it was important that he was not a rival team. Like they were not in the same conference, and so it wasn't a threat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He came in peace, he was able to be, it was a diplomacy mission. Very much. No, but I remember being in a corner with you, and just like, where it was safe. Right? We were hiding in the back. We were kinda hiding in the back,

and it was really safe, I was like asking. I was just asking about food and feeling. We were in a comfort conversation back there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was definitely safer. You made me feel warm in Buffalo. Thank you very much for that. No, absolutely. I did notice that you wore red to the game. Are you a Chiefs fan? Oh, yeah, yeah. Is that? My loyalty is with them. Like, because I grew up in North Carolina, but like, my dad was a cow or is a Cowboys fan. So that was like in the house like cow. But we had an Emmet Smith corner, just like posters, just like Michael Irving and Troy Aikman and all that was like, like dolls and mugs and all those things were around the house. Right. But you had more sense about you.

Yeah. Well, so my my end to football was through Madden. I played Madden a lot. Perfect. So I grew up playing Madden and I played with the Colts and I played with who else I played with. I was like Indianapolis Colts for a long time. And then I was like I had no loyalty. Sure. I had no loyalty. And then Travis was like, I had no loyalty. Sure. I had no loyalty.

And then Travis was nice to me and I said, I will follow you wherever you go. Like that's true. We ride. Like Travis gave me a hug and I'm like, I like wear like chiefs pajamas. All of a sudden you were Tomahawk chopping. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like wear like pajamas. Like my boyfriend like wears a chiefs hat every day. Like we're immediately sold. We're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, though. You were, and the whole team, team, I've met some of them. So awesome. They're so cool. So I'm definitely a Chiefs fan.

I just cannot explain to you how much I love the fact that you did not go Cowboys. I didn't go Cowboys. I didn't go Cowboys. I love that so much. Thank you. Almost because my dad went so hard, it wouldn't allow me to. You kind of have to rebel against your father. A little bit. Like so much. Thank you. Almost because my dad went so hard, it wouldn't allow me to, you kind of have to rebel against

your father. A little bit. Like so hard. That's his, he'll meet anybody on the streets and it's like his first question to them is like how do you feel about the Cowboys? And every year. I would love for him to ask me that question. Yeah, I know.

But to be a Cowboys house was like, it was really easy for a couple years in the 90s, and just devastating. For the most part, it's just like over and over, like devastating, this is our year, this is our year. I heard it every year. How much disappointment can you take? How much disappointment can you take? I don't even know who's playing for the Cowboys right now,

but I just know my dad is sad. That's okay. We'll say Go Birds and Go Chiefs. From October to Christmas, he's so sad. Yes, because it's not seasonal depression, guys, it's the Cowboys. Yeah, it has nothing to do with the weather. He's just sad for the Cowboys every autumn.

Year after year. Yeah. Well, at least we know better. But how into football were you pre-like? My dad only had two girls, me and my sister. So I was his stand-in son to watch football. Sweet. So I grew up watching football.

Really? Who'd you root for? The Eagles. Yeah, really? Yeah, the Bulls. Okay, wow. Wow, you really did it. Full circle.

You really did it. I mean. You really did it. You really did it Where like I when Jason and I were dating where I was like, hey like if you ever play for any other team like Hypothetically speaking if you ended up at the Cowboys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yikes. Where was your dad like when you're like? My dad was very mad. Really? Yeah, cause he thought typical athlete,

you're gonna be a bimbo, like perceived the bimbo. And then he met Jason and was like, oh, I get it. Oh, that's great. Yeah. No, I've seen Jason change hearts. Oh, I get it. Oh, that's great. Yeah. No, I've seen Jason change hearts. Oh, he's lovable. I see him change people's hearts. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. He jumped out of that suite to give people hugs. He's so sweet. What? What did we? Yeah. Chug beers and give hugs. That really sums him up.

Chug beers and give hugs. Yeah. Yeah, it sums him up quite well. Yeah. Can you tell me, I do want to know about having a kid because I really want to get one of those. Okay. Yeah.

And like right now, like me and my boyfriend, we're getting arguments over our hypothetical child. Sure. Like we're already- How you're raising him. How you're raising him. How we're raising him, schooling. I'm pro public school.

He went to a private school. Sure. Like right now, our hypothetical child's name is Bento. He's half black, half Japanese. Bento. Yeah, yeah. I call him Bento. Is that a nickname or that's first certificate?

It's a little nickname for him, but like yeah, it's like little Bento and we talk about Bento a lot. Sure, but we're not going to make Bento his government name, are we? Who knows? Maybe. Look, my name's Raphaniel, so anything goes. I love that. It could be anything. Okay, I love that.

But little Bento, but like how? He could have like Ben or Ben, he could go by Ben or Benny if he doesn't feel committed to the, I love this. It's versatile. Or maybe if you could put quotation marks on the birth certificate, maybe is that. My question is, how do you make a cool kid?

Cause it's really important to me that the child is cool. That's all I talk about. And like my boyfriend talks about education. And like, first of all, with like being gay, it's like, we got too many options. Because our baby will come via, my lawyer will know first. It'll be like a lot of paperwork signed

and they gotta fly a woman in from a flight. It's a lot of flights and paperwork before a child is in my home. Yes. So it's already too many decisions. Pre-child, what do you do to keep the kids cool? I have no fucking clue. Because like they have huge shoes to fill as far as coolness.

I'm not even talking about like career. I'm not talking about achievements. I'm talking about just cool parents. And I feel the same. I feel like I'm pretty cool. Very. Thank you. just cool parents. And I feel the same, like I feel like I'm pretty cool. Very. Thank you. I feel like they absorb,

they'll have to absorb some of that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do think that they come out who they are. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to, it's hard to like- You're just kind of there to like- Guide them.

Keep them safe and like, yeah. That's it, keep them alive. Yeah, keep them alive. Yep. And hope for the best. But do you try and imprint, because it'd be really hard for me not to do the thing. I think just being yourself and the way that you interact with your kids,

they sort of pick up on all of that. And so they start to have little bits of your tendencies regardless. But the most beautiful thing about you choosing to have kids is that it is the most intentional child and family. That's beautiful. I think you should.

I would love to have life not be about me. It's so me, my life is so me. All day. But are you enjoying it? No, I like it, but it's like, I'm kind of like exhausted by it. It's just like me, me, me. I love to have it be about someone else.

Sure. Like, oh, like now the focus, the energy, like the choice, like I have to consider someone else. Like that would be nice. It's growth. Yeah. Yeah.

I like to grow up. Yeah. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. I didn't say grow up. You say grow up. You know, I need to grow up. I say growth. No, I need to grow up.

Well, I'd love to get into your career a little bit. Oh, that. Now that we've gotten it. I do want to talk about that. All right. We'll get back to Bento. First of about that. All right, we'll get back to Benzo. First of all, congratulations. Yeah, we'll come back to Benzo. Don't worry, I'm coming back.

Congratulations on your brand new stand up, Don't Be Gay. Thank you very much. Streaming now on HBO. Max, how do you feel that it's out in the world? Does it feel good? I want more people to watch it. Perfect, that's what we're here to do. That'd be nice, it'd be good. I just want more people to watch it. Like, that's what we're here to do. That'd be nice, that'd be good.

I just want more people to watch it. I'm really happy because I worked on it for like a year and a half, and this is the most I've ever worked on a set. Because in my career, I had gotten distracted. I was doing other things while doing standup. And so it was always, I had like a TV show or like something else and this was just stand-up, like just going on the road,

going to the clubs in the city and just working, working like crafting and so I'm really proud of it. And so like, yeah, like and it's jokes, it's just, the craziest thing I'm doing now is like telling jokes. Because I didn't really do that, I didn't like do that for my last special, like last specials like emotional and it was yeah, you know But but this one is just jokes. I want people to watch and it was very funny

Thank you very much One of my favorite parts of the special is early on when you're talking about celebrities who claim they don't read the comments Yeah, yeah, I was reading everything. I believe we have the clip here Queen Emma You ever like hear celebrities say shit like oh, I don't really check everything. I believe we have the clip here, Queen Emma. You ever like hear celebrities say shit like, oh, I don't really check Twitter, I don't read the comments. They are lying to you. Everyone reads every word, even the reclusive celebrities. Like if you want to get a message to Daniel Day-Lewis,

all you got to do is tweet, hey, Daniel Day-Lewis, fuck you. He's going to read that shit. I know, he's like making shoes somewhere. All you gotta do is tweet, hey Daniel Day Lewis, fuck you. He's gonna read that shit. I know, he's like making shoes somewhere. Mind his own business. Yeah, yeah, just like he's like in Ireland, like cobbling some shoes and like, and is scrolling.

I mean, so I'm on record as saying that I don't really read the comments. You don't read the comments? No, but there's a couple things that work here. I'm not a celebrity, so it doesn't apply to me. I don't know. Second. I don't know, yeah.

Second, I read some of the comments, but it's only when I find the time to read the comments. Like, mine is the time. You're actually too busy to, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't like lock in and also keep four humans alive. Yeah, yeah, distract me from the comments. I need to look at you so I stop reading about me. So I don't read anymore because my feelings have been hurt

so much that I cannot read anymore. So when's the last time? It's been like a year. It's been like a year and some change since I searched my name. I had the reality show come out. I made a reality show. And then I was like reading comments all day and like just looking at like comments, TikTok, you know, like. That's part of the problem is there's so many places.

You leave one app and go to the next app. You're done on YouTube, now I'm on TikTok. I'm done on TikTok, I'm now on Instagram. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like 11 o'clock and I'm like, oh, I forgot to wish my mom happy birthday. I've been doing this for 12 hours and I forgot to... Life was happening around me. Yeah, yeah.

And so just searching, searching, searching. But I haven't done that in like a year, a year and some change. And how's that feel? Pretty good. Pretty good. Like it's just... Are you curious? Like sometimes, like, but the thing is nobody talks shit to your face.

Nope. So I get to live in this bubble where I think just everybody likes me. Do you know I tell people that when they stop my husband and then they apologize to me, it's always the same. It's the same sequence of events. They stop my husband like, can we get a picture? Then they turn or the person with them turns to me and says, I'm so sorry for interrupting your day.

I'm like, no, it's totally fine. They're like, ah, this must get really annoying. And I always say the same thing. No one walks up to him and tells him, wow, you're a real asshole. Yeah, yeah. Everyone walks up to him and is like, you're one of the best centers I've ever played for.

And I'm like, who wouldn't wanna hear that? Yeah, that's so sweet. Yeah, that's all you get. No one's saying that to your face. Yeah, people don't talk shit to your face. So like. They should start though. Well, I would.

If you're gonna say it, say it to my face. Well, a pregnant woman. A pregnant woman would. A pregnant woman would say it. A pregnant woman. A pregnant woman would. Yeah, a pregnant woman would be like, I don't like you. I never liked you. But like people are nice in person. So like I get to live. I like that. I like just like walking around and having like, who doesn't love receiving love. So that's been nice. That's such a good point. This new comedy special is your fourth one. Does every new one become your favorite or do you have a favorite?

Oh, that's it. Oh yeah. Oh, like children. Oh, like the children. Depends on the day. Yeah, it depends on the day. Yeah. Well, every new one is exactly where I am.

Yeah, applicable to that time of life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, a friend of mine said that he makes art to catch people up with him. And I get that, like, oh, this is exactly where I am here. Because I almost had to put this out because my last special, I was in in a fetal position, like sad. And so like people would be like,

part of the like, oh, good to see you. Like, I hope everything's okay. A lot of like, like the general, like, like, like, I hope you're okay. So now it's just like, oh, you seem happy. Good to see you out. Yeah, yeah, good to see you out. I'm so glad you got out of the house today.

Remember like, cause I saw you were crying out. I'm so glad you got out of the house today. Remember, like, because that's how you were crying. Like I mentioned in your intro, you've hosted some huge shows, The Golden Globes and Saturday Night Live, which you were nominated for an Emmy for. Yeah, yeah. Which were you more nervous for or do you not get nervous? Um. The it was like different processes like for both. I didn't know what I was going to say basically until it was

live like for for SNL. I spent the week. Annoyed because I needed to talk about like it was like the Oscar slap. It just happened and it like it it stole I I'm just coming out. I just come out. I got a new special I'm like I'm wearing a white suit with no shirt This is about me and then all of a sudden is like oh, I guess I have to talk about like

this thing that happened so like just trying to find a way to like Address that without like so like just trying to find a way to like address that without like, so I was annoyed. I was annoyed that, but I have fun doing it. I like, I have fun doing the monologue, but I was like annoyed all week and kind of the same thing for the Globes that like, I'm like the first black host of this thing. And you know, that like, it's like 80 years of the show. They never had like a black host. They like come off like this race scandal.

And now I'm here, right? And it was just like, hey, just smile and make jokes about the celebrities. Like, I would have wanted to do that, but I couldn't do that. Like I knew I couldn't do that. Like it was something like I had like a responsibility, I guess you would say, to like address that. And so like that was kind of stressful for me because I was like I was put in this like really impossible. I did it to myself I didn't have to say yes, but like I found myself in this like really impossible

position like where I was like, oh I have to like make a monologue that explains my reason for being here and monologue that explains my reason for being here. And, and why, and like, and not only, not just to like put them in their place, but also to like, to try and articulate my excitement for these types of nights and like, like the evening, I do think that art should be celebrated. I do think this is a good thing. And I do, so I was in a really tough position. So like those are kind of like mirror, like kind of like more white and more black and one so it was kind of like angel devil mirrors of

Monologues, but but both I got a little nervous You know just that like getting the words right like what am I gonna say like yeah I was I was a little nervous for both of those. Maybe I'll do it again No, well, the Golden Globes would never have me back. I'm telling you, they would never let me do it again, which in some ways is kind of an honor, I guess. I'm like, they would never. Okay, but if you had to host something.

The headlines were just like, they were like, I was like making people cry. I was like, what the fuck? You went full pregnant lady? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I went full pregnant woman honest. Gotcha. And like, yeah, they would never. Like, I know that for a fact.

Okay, so would you host? I knew that by the first commercial. What? Because like, I went to the dressing room,. Because like, like, like, like, I went to the dressing room, I was like, well, this is obviously this is the last time I'll ever. I don't even want to do it. I didn't even want to do it. I wanted to do it though. Okay. You were like, do you want me to leave now? First commercial. Oh,

they guys want me to leave now? There are certain producers that would have been like really happy about just like Just rolled out. Yeah. Yeah, it was so strange I walk there from I was staying at a hotel around the corner like they asked for the monologue Like NBC legal is asking for the monologue. I wouldn't give it to him Like I refused to give them monologue because I didn't know the monologue. So I didn't know They told me I had three minutes. I took seven. But it was I felt like I needed to say it. I had like things to get off my chest. I was like I need to say this. And then I walked back alone to the hotel. I didn't go to any party. I just like

I walked from like walk off the stage and walk back to the hotel and went to sleep and flew back to New York. Okay. How about SNL? Would you do SNL again? Maybe that was fun. Okay. That was fun. That was fun.

Let's manifest it. Yeah, yeah. No, that was cool. Okay, so you should do SNL again. Yeah, they have me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, perfect. Let's manifest it. That'd be fun.

We'll manifest. They'd listen to you. They'd listen to you if you told them to do it. Oh, cool. I actually, yeah. Come on, Gerard wants to do it again. You hold a lot of influence. I want Gerard to do it again.

Yeah. Do I hold a lot of influence? Yeah, you'll come in, yeah. If that's the case, I'll come if Gerard hosts it. You'll come, you'll come, the fan will come. I'm inviting myself. Yeah, no, we'll make a whole night out of it. Now, I'd love to talk to you a little bit more about your acting career.

Oh, no. Because, as the real ones know, I'm a Transformers super fan. Oh, and that was fun. I was talking about that the other day because we were, man, I did Transformers because it's like Michael Bay. Yeah. I had a meeting with Michael Bay. he was like, you wanna do it? I was like, yeah, of course, I'll do this.

What else was I doing this summer? We were shooting in Michigan, outside of Detroit, in Birmingham. There's this hotel called The Townsend. And I was like, they made me eight cookies every night. And I was watching. Anyway, I love that experience. This is a great Italian restaurant across the street

from the Townsend. I can tell you more about that than the movie. I'll tell you about the experience. Can we just, why eight? Yeah, I was eating, I was- Were they for you? All eight for you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought you had like a- I used to bake eight cookies and watch The Daily Show. That was my nightly ritual. Monday through Thursday, I would bake eight cookies and watch The Daily Show. That was my nightly ritual. Like Monday through Thursday, I would bake eight cookies, watch The Daily Show, or like Colbert Report, and that was like my thing. And then like now I'm an adult, so I can't have eight cookies every night.

I'm told by healthcare professionals that one should not have so many cookies. That's lame. So I no longer have those cookies. No. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and my boyfriend wouldn't let me either, but he's keeping me alive.

Okay, this is a conscious decision. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We feel okay about it. Yeah, yeah, I want them. I want them. Do you at least do it once a night then? Once a week then? No, no, and the cookies have changed. How often are we cooking? So the cookies have changed. So I went, I grew up on Pillsbury, then I switched to Nestle Toll House. Then I did the Nestle Toll House Chocolate Lovers Chocolate Chunk Place and Bake. Now, now, Jock Torres makes, he has like a cookie mix. They're giant.

I'm going to send you some Jock Torres, I'm not even, I'm not even shitting, I'm going to send you some Jock Torres cookie mix. I got like four boxes in the cabinet, I should have brought you one. And I make these like large cookies. Like just like, you can only, I should have brought you one. And I make these like large cookies. I can only make four at a time. But they're the best cookies ever. I'm a chocolate chip.

I love that you've beat the system. You are no longer doing eight cookies. I do four large. Yeah, yeah, I do four. And I say they're for everybody, but they're like really for me? I'm a chocolate chip cookie. Connoisseur. Yeah, yeah. a chocolate chip cookie like that. Yeah.

All of your acting role of all your acting roles in tvs and movies. What was your favorite? So yeah, like I acting is something I'm like I can do it but I'm not like like I was like I was like really bad in my last role and that kind was like I was like really bad in my last role and that kind of throw I was like really bad and poor things. And I'm next to like the greatest living actor like like like Emma is just like incredible and I'm like not I was like kind of out of my depth and like just trying and I respect Yorgo so much. He's like so like he's one of my favorite filmmakers, but just trying to find my footing in it. And like often when I'm acting in something,

it's something that I also wrote or like I've been directing or like that it's mine. So I'm so concerned about production that I haven't been able to just like get lost in a role to like fully like I think if I did it now I think it would be different like after reality show and like like like I have a different relationship with cameras now so it may be better but like yeah I usually usually have not liked it. Now, the last question I have for you, I often ask parents

what the best parenting advice they've ever received. But I would like to ask you, what is the best comedy advice? Probably something like Bo has told me, you know, like the the way to not be cool is to try to be cool. It's great advice. That's very, yeah, yeah. Like, like if you try to be cool. That's great advice. That's very good. Yeah, yeah. Like if you try to be cool, it'll be the least cool thing you've ever done.

Thank you so much for joining me today. I cannot thank you enough. This was amazing. You're so fun to talk to. Your new special is outstanding. Thank you. It is called Don't Be Gay. It is on HBO Max streaming now.

I encourage everyone to go watch it because apparently that's the only reason why Gerard's out in the wild. I'm out in the wild. Please watch it. You should. It's hilarious. It was incredible. And thank you so much for being here.

Thanks for having me. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Gerard on my YouTube channel on more Shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow Not Gonna Lie on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Get your official NGL merch at NGLKylie.com.

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