Not Skinny But Not Fat - ALISON BRIE IS NOT A GOODIE TWO SHOES

Episode Date: March 19, 2024

Alison Brie is in studio to discuss her new role in limited series- Peacock’s Apples Never Fall, based on the Liane Moriarty novel. We talk about the types of roles Alison usually lands, filming Mad Men & Community at the same time, her marriage to Dave Franco, her run in with Anne Hathaway and more!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Good. How are you? You're a real natural hair. It's real, baby. It's real. Do you want to tug on it? Do you want to feel my scalp? It looks so good.

Are you only going to take real? rolls now that allow you to have flowy long hair. I honestly feel ready to cut it all off. Really? Me too. Because I had it long for this last roll for Apples Never Fallen. And I couldn't cut it all this time during the strike. I was still just like attached to it long. And now I'm shooting this movie with my husband back in Australia.

And my hair has to be long for that. It's like there's a whole scripted thing with the long hair. And I'm just getting antsy. Really? Do you want to go back to the glow bob? I don't want to go full glowbob. The glow scenario was so crazy because they would perm it for real every year and then chop it into a crazy shag. So I would have pieces like a thick layer that was like at my eyeball.

Yeah. And the growout process was really tricky, but it was also really freeing because prior to that, I just had had long hair for a really long time. So once it was this crazy haircut and a perm, it was like, let's make it a super short bob. Let's do full-on bangs. Let's grow out the bangs. Let's do, you know. Yeah. So that was freeing and nice.

Turdy have. Trudy have. I was like, who's dirty? You know, I voiced a character. It was a little piece of shit. You never switch letters in a name. What did I do? I mean, your hair was always... It was long.

It was long. Well, they actually wanted to keep it shoulder length. So season one, they would cut it in season two. And then I started working on community. And now community, I was like first position on that show. and they had control of my hair. And so you'll see like first season of community, it's like shoulder length. And then they wanted me to grow it as I became like slightly more of a love interest.

I'm like, did they want to grow it? Did I want to grow it? Either way, I suddenly had the power to go back to Mad Men and say like, you can't cut my hair anymore. And they were not happy about it. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, lucky women that we like grow it out, chop it off.

It just keeps growing. No, it looks so good. Thank you. So this movie's going to shoot in. I know, don't chop. Don't chop. But it was very your character in this new show because, like, hippie vibes. Did you notice that there's blue pieces in my hair?

No. I know. Did you want us to notice? Yes. Oh, it was part of the thing. Look, in the book, because the show's based on a book. Yeah. This character is described as just, like, having blue hair.

So there were all these discussions about, like, how blue are we going to go with her blue hair? And I was like, let's dip diet. Because I was also thinking I'll just chop it after. Like, let's bleach the bottom half. and dye it blue. I didn't notice the blue. Oh, we didn't do it. Our hair people were like, oh.

The hair stylists were like, it will kill your hair. They're like the continuity. We're going to have to keep dying at blue. It's going to fade. It's like not going to be the same color. So instead they clipped in some pieces, but it's just like so minimal that like every day we'd spend all this time clipping in the pieces. And then I'd go to set and be like, two months into shooting one of the other actors in the show was like, oh, is there blue in your hair? Oh, no.

Yeah, I didn't notice that. It's okay. Sorry. But you caught the tattoos. I did. None are yours. No, but it made me want to get some. I know.

It made you look edgy. I loved it. I would keep them on because they could, they would let, you know, it was better to kind of just try to keep on for the week. Yeah. And I felt super edgy. Yeah. Heading back to the hotel, like, riding in the elevator with strangers being like,

like, what? You don't even know me. No, but can I tell you? Like, I feel like that's a thing with you. Tell me if you, you know yourself better. but that you do have this, like, thing about you where you look like Goody Two Shoes. Obviously, you got cast in a lot of, you know, those kinds of roles. Yeah.

Very type A, like, perfectionist vibes, whatever. But she wilds. It's the bane of my existence. It's not really, but it used to bother me more. I'm probably in the heart of, like, shooting Mad Men and Community at the same time. Goody Two Shoes is the perfect word. Like, once, this is a funny, well, like, one time. at the gym, you know, this was later. So I was training for Glow is doing all these pull-ups.

And Anne Hathaway came in and was training and watched me do a bunch of pull-ups. And she was like, oh my God, that was insane. Like, you look like you should be baking pies, not doing pull-ups. And I was like, Anne Hathaway thinks I should be baking pies. Like, like, people think I'm the priestly prist that ever prist. I'm saying that about me. I was saying that about me. I love Hathaway. Let me some Hathaway. Oh, my God. That triggered you, though.

You were about to wrestle. Thank you, pause. Oh, my God. I know. But then it's like, why I know. Well, not, I do. I understand it. You know what I think it is, partly? The way I look.

I think. My face and body and voice and posture. And voice. Yeah. You're very, like, well, like. Spoken. Yeah. Sound dumber like me.

I promise you. Yeah. Sound dumber. Yeah. I could do it. Sound dumber. Just a little bit. Because I went to theater school.

I went to theater school and we all just speak with that. Oh, you're a theater gal. Yeah. So, like, I was a nerd. Yeah. It's not like I've ever, I've never been, like, truly edgy. I just went through a wild phase of drinking and doing drugs. It's not like.

Right. I'm like a regular person. You know, my 20s, 30s and, like, the early 30s. And then now again. Now again. And you're from L.A. originally. Yeah. How's that?

Great. Yeah? Yeah. Did you grow up, like, knowing you wanted to be in Hollywood and? Yes, I did, but it felt really wholesome because I lived in South Pasadena, which is, it's a drive. It's not like you're in Hollywood proper. So I was thinking about it the other day because I was like, God, it felt really small town-y. And, like, when you don't have a car, you can't go, you know what I mean?

It still felt far. But it also didn't because they shot a lot of movies in South Pass. Uh-huh. Like the old school house is in South Pasadena, like the original Halloween from the 70s. You know what? They just shot in Pasadena that made me want to live in Pasadena, but maybe they didn't shoot it there and not I'm going to be upset. But it was like took place in Pasadena shrinking. Did you watch that show? No. So good. But he wrote the bike. Yeah, it looked so cute.

The Madman House, Don Draper's house, is in Pasadena, actually. Oh, wow. Also the father of the bride house is in Pasadena. Do you don't remember the father? Of course I remember. Don't, of course I do. Hello. I'm like, you didn't remember Jersey Shore. Not going to out you on this podcast. Then you started naming people and then I was just like, snooky, J-wow, situation. It's in there. Well, there are age. They're your age. Why you got to separate us like that? Why is it start as an hour? And then it became a yore. No, we're the same. No, we're exactly the same. So did you always know you wanted to be an actress? Yes, I did. I did a lot of theater switching leg positions. I did theater. And from an early

age, I did community theater with the Jewish Community Center in a half Jewish, right? Los Felis. Yeah. Oh, Los Felis. That's cool. Yeah. We still live there now. Oh, you live there now? Yeah. Whenever I think of moving, I'm like, I feel like I'm a Loz Phelis. It's like cool. It's like cool. Eastside L.A. is great. Okay. It's fun to have grown up in L.A. because there are things like that where I go, oh, here's Barnes, park where I used to do plays with the Jewish Community Center when I was six years old. And now when I first met my husband, he was like, let me take you to my favorite place in L.A. And it was the same park. He like took me there and read me rolled doll stories. How fucking cute is that? He's so cute. Wait, is he originally from L.A. too? He's from Northern California.

Okay. But also like California. Yeah. Do you have this like superiority where like I have it as a New Yorker, like an OG one, where people come here, and I'm like, that's cute. I think I do. It's like I don't walk around thinking that I'm superior, but if someone asks me where I'm from, I can tell that I always have to be like, from L.A., born and raised. Right. Because otherwise, I can't tell you, I'll be like, oh, yeah, I'm from L.A., and people will be like, oh, really?

Yeah. But, like, for how long? Right. Born and raised. Born and raised. So when did you move, like, out of Pasadena? I'm like, did I? Well, I mean, I moved out of Pasadena to go to college also to go to college 40 minutes away in Santa Clarita.

Badass. And then I did a semester away in Scotland. Oh. When I came back, I lived in Highland Park with a boyfriend, which is sort of like full circle when I was. Why Scotland? Did you do abroad? Because the college I went to was like a really tiny art school. Where to go?

I went to Cal Arts, California Institute of the Arts. So they only had a study abroad program with, like, two other schools because we didn't get grades. Like, you couldn't do a regular, like, you couldn't go to a regular university with, like, I got a high pass in voice and a low pass in body. Like, it was like the class, it was just all geared towards art. So they only really had these programs with a school in Scotland and a school in New Zealand. And I applied to go to New Zealand. And then every time I was like really campaigning when I would see the teachers around school. And they kept being like, did you want to go to Scotland?

And I would be like, New Zealand. And by like the fourth time, I was just like, Scotland, I'll go anywhere. Please send me away somewhere. Scotland was great. I'm Scottish. You have some Scottish in you? Yeah. Oh, really?

Yeah. Did you hook up with a lot of hot Scottish guys? No, none. Because I had a boyfriend at the time in the States. Oh. I know. And I didn't cheat on him at all. He came out and visited

I know But you know what It wasn't even like that It was like so fun to be in Scotland I like made really good friends I liked hanging out with those people And like drinking and hanging out And we I just remember smoking so much weed

And watching Jerry McGuire like 20 times With this one household of people And it was like really platonic and great Although everybody thought that I was hooking up With like the one American guy in our class, Pat But I wasn't we were just friends Oh, that's a nice story. It's all coming back.

It's all coming back. When I decided we're to study abroad, I was like, Argentina, hot guys. Like, that was my decision. I didn't end up going there. Credits didn't work out. I went to Barcelona, less hot guys. Really? Yeah, because they're like European.

I wanted, like, I wanted, like, Latinos. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, this isn't what I signed up for. The Scottish guys were hot, but I could only understand, like, 50% of what they were saying. Right. In English. Right. Their accent is wild.

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I did, like, a really bad, like, a B horror movie called Born, not, like, born identity, but, like, the baby's born, where I get impregnated with, like, a demon fetus, and then the demon fetus possesses me. And I do things like, like, rip off the guy's, a guy's dick and, like, eat it. Yeah, yeah. Make out with my roommate who's like a phone sex operator. And then I like rip her tongue out of her body. Or wait. Or like she kisses down my body and she's like kissing the pregnant belly and the demon fetus like burst out the belly and rips her tongue out of her face. And then I ate it. Did you rewatch it recently? No, no, no. No. But someone, I did sign a DVD of it recently and I was like, oh, no. Oh, wow. And the girl was with a friend and the friend was like, she makes me watch this. And I was like, makes plural. I'm so sorry. Oh my God. Anyway, that was my first job. And then I also did an episode of Hannah Montana. Please bring us back. Hannah Montana, the show hadn't been picked up yet. I mean, I guess it had been picked up,

but it hadn't aired. I play a kooky hairdresser. The clips are really funny. My voice is like, you're a hairdresser, but how old were you? 20. No, it was probably like 22. Like her hairdresser? Her brother's hairdresser, but the twist is in the end because you hook up. brother's bald. No, it's like I was hired by the villainous kid to, like, destroy the brother's hair. Like, so I wasn't really, it was like, he wanted to date me. I don't know. It was the B storyline. Oh, my God. But Miley was like just like a kid. A baby. Like, I remember getting the job and then telling people I'm on this show with like Billy Ray Cyrus and his daughter's on the show. And they were like, yeah. Right. And they were like, what the fuck? Yeah. And Madman

And how crazy was it getting that and then seeing the success of that show? It was wild. I mean... Playing turdy. As dirty. It was really fun. I remember the audition process was mad and it was like really, it was really disappointing and then exciting. Like I went in and auditioned and came back and auditioned for the producers right away and then came back for a director session and then didn't hear from them for two weeks or something.

Like a very, in TV time, like a show that. it's currently shooting. It was like, well, obviously I didn't get that job. And then they called me back at the last minute. I think they had done numerous sessions with other girls. This is the story of how I get most of my jobs. And somebody at the last second goes like, well, if we circle back to the, what's her name with the Bree? So that was really exciting. But then, so that's another one where like it wasn't airing yet. I came in in the fourth episode. So it had been picked up. But for AMC, there was no regular TV shows on AMC. at the time. You know what I mean? It was like old movies. Right. So that was their first

original programming and I remember shooting it and then my friend got their hands on a copy of the pilot before it aired because they were an agent's assistant. I don't even remember how, but I just remember being at somebody's house like I wasn't having access to something like as a guest star on the show and we got the pilot and we watched it and I was like, I don't think people are going to like this show. Oh, you thought they wouldn't. But not to say that I thought, I loved it. I was like, this is too good and too smart and too slow.

Like, slow. It's such a quiet, slow show. Like, and that's what makes it brilliant. And it's all about the nuance and all that stuff. Like, I watched the first episode in my friend's living room, like, was like, this show on AMC. How, who would find this or know about it? So it was really exciting.

Right. when it became also part of our pop culture. Yeah, but you know, that is like something that registers more now than it did at the time. Because I was never, because I was a recurring guest star forever. I was never a regular on the show or anything. So even now, I often feel weird. Like, I don't take ownership up with my show, Madman. You know, I'm like, I mean, I think you can.

Well, but the way, you know what I mean? Like, the way I would about community or glow. Right. where I'm like, I'm in every episode of that show, that is my show. Right. And then I'm like, this is visitor over at Madman, just like, hey, guys. You were so good, though. Hang out.

Thank you. You were so good. I love that job. And you were filming, we were talking about this before, community and Mad Men at the same time. Does that happen often as an actor? No. It was a big gamble. Yeah.

Like, we had shot two seasons of Mad Men. And basically, because I was just recurring, I was auditioned. for pilots and other shows all the time. But then I often would like book some tiny indie movie and then Mad Men would call and be like, actually we do want to put her on hold for two more episodes. And I'd be like, drop out. I'm not, I don't want to do the movie. So I was always like the other woman, like waiting by the phone for Mad Men to call. So then and also I was probably not booking those other shows. Like I act like I turned out every other job. I'm like and also I wasn't getting those jobs. But then when I booked community, oh, okay, wait, this is too much

detail maybe. But so I had booked a pilot, I had tested for some pilot that I didn't book. This is this so interesting. Okay, I tested for this pilot. I do. I love hearing about that because I think when people see just the success and obviously everybody knows you and is like, oh, she made it. She's in these shows. And it's like, how much did you have to go through to get these things? Totally. The nose, the fact that you felt like this recurring care. You know what I mean? All the nuances are really interesting. So I was testing for this other show that was about lawyers.

And when you test for a show, you do your deal and you sign your contracts. So we had gone back to Mad Men to say, like, just want to let you know, she's going to sign on. She might possibly get this job and be a regular on this other show, see if they would offer me a contract. And they did. But it was for seven out of 10 episodes, and I was already shooting like six episodes a season. So I just sort of rolled the dice and was like, no.

And then I didn't get that job. And I was like, oh, my God, I turned down the Mad Men contract. It would have guaranteed me seven episodes a season. And now I didn't get this job. And then I booked community. And I didn't check with Mad Men because I thought, well, we already kind of know what's on the table over there. And I booked community. And then we went and told them that I was shooting the pilot.

And they were like, well, if she does that show, she probably won't ever be able to be on Mad Men again. Because NBC has some clause that you could only do three episodes. That was not enough. So that was a really scary time. But you overcame it. Well, because I was also like, what if communities doesn't get picked up?

Right. I just screwed everything. Wow, like so many decisions. The show got picked up. And then Matt Weiner, our madman creator, he would write letters to our producers on community every season to just be like, you have to let her do more than three episodes. Like, even though that's the NBC umbrella,

he would write letters to them and be like, here are all the episodes of NBC. shows that Mad Men people have been on recently. John Hamm did four episodes of 30 Rock, and so-and-so did this many episodes of this. And they just let me out every season because the community producers were such big fans of Mad Men as a show, that they were like, we don't want to fuck with whatever storyline they have going on. But how was it as an actress, like, just switching gears like that?

The best. Oh, yeah? The best. It wouldn't work for, like, a method. That's true. It's true. There were really only a couple days where I, I actually shot both in one day, start on the set of community and then drive over to Mad Men.

But, like, first of all, it felt so exciting. This was early in my, I was 26 years old. You know, I'd book Madman at 24. I just was like, I'm doing the thing. Right. It felt so exciting. And like a really fun challenge as an actor to be playing what to me seemed like very different roles, even though like in the public eye could say they're both Prissy or whatever.

But they felt very different to me, very different eras, very different. different ages. One is like a housewife who's talking about not being able to get pregnant. One is like, I just graduated high school. Yeah. You know, and that's how I played her. Right. I just graduated high school. You also told this story about Madman because like the wardrobe was so crazy. Oh, yeah. And you went like girdles all day. Oh yeah. And I peed my pants that time. Yeah. Because you didn't, you thought that you didn't have to wear like, you thought you had to wear underwear with the girdle. I was keeping my underwear on. That was hygienic of you. I sort of thought, the wardrobe ladies have to handle all this stuff.

Like, I've worked wardrobe crew when I was in college and had to wash people's underwear and you're just like, whatever. So I was keeping my underwear on, but you're really not supposed to. And, you know, the girdles just have a hole. It's like you just pull. It's not like a hole, but it's just like a pocket. So you pull it open and you pee through the hole. Yeah.

And I had done this before, but I was just in a rush. And so I pulled the pocket open, but the underwear was under. And it was just like, why am I not hearing my pee in the toilet? Because also I'm having all these skirts. So I can't see what's going on. I was like, why don't I hear my pee? And then I was like, why I'm so warm. And then I was like, oh, no.

Oh, God, no. And then I had to just pat all the pee. Oh, you didn't make a thing of it. You didn't go change and everything. No, I went to set and shot the show. But I was standing. Thank God. I was standing.

I was like, am I going to have to just go sit in my piss? Oh, my God. But I got there. I was standing. in the scene and we shot like a couple takes or we shot like you know a little bit and the our costume designer janey bryant who i adore she's so talented i loved the costumes for trudy anyway she watched some of the takes and just like beeline it for me and was like what's going on why what did you notice that i was just being i don't know i must have just been so like like i wouldn't sit down

between takes or anything i was just standing there so stiff and she was like what's happening and I was like, I peed my girdle. Wait, did you get to smoke Sakes on set? Trudy didn't smoke as a character. The Campbell's never smoked, and I was glad. You were? Yeah. Were they smoking real Sigs at the time?

No, no. They were like the herbal kinds? Yeah. I was very sad to learn that fact. But a lot of the cast smoked. They were a lot of them had been smokers or were smokers anyway. I feel like it came naturally to them. Oh, okay.

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Another huge project you worked on was Glow. Yeah. Where you were like the main event. That was my show. That was your, no recurring character here, honey. My show. Did you train like crazy for it? We trained like crazy.

Hathaway saw me and was blown away. You heard it here at first. We trained like crazy. I mean, I had already been working out with my trainer, Jason Walsh, who I've been training with now for like, I don't know, 13 years or something crazy. But I was like casually working out with him at the time. And then while I was auditioning for Glow, I was like, all right. let's already start to amp it up because I want them to believe.

But the thing was going into it that none of the women are meant to be wrestlers or bodybuilders or anything, like going into the show. They're all just actresses who, it was all very meta. It was like the characters are actresses who booked jobs on a wrestling show. And then we all booked this wrestling show and learned how to wrestle. And it was so awesome. And then you recently worked with John Sina. Yeah.

Who was a wrestler. Did you bond? Hey, wrestler. Absolutely. Honestly. Yes, and I would sort of laugh because I'd be like, I realize I'm not a wrestler the way you're a wrestler. And he would be like, don't do that. You know wrestling. But he can be like, I'm not an actor. Yeah, that's true. Like that. He could have said that. Or no, that was Critics Choice. I didn't watch. Oh, you don't watch. Oh, you don't watch. I mean, there are a lot. There's too many. There's too many. I mean, by the time this comes out, this will be Oscar season, I think. Right. March? Is that Oscars? I don't know. I should know. What do you think of a member of the academy? I think they're fun.

Yeah? Yeah. I was wonder. Yeah. I think they're fun. I mean, like, I like watching them. I like the fantasy. I feel like it taps into when I was a teenager.

I loved watching the glitz and glamour. Being there, I've been. And, you know, both. It's a lot of things. It's like fun and exciting. Also, the red carpet can feel daunting and nerve-wracking. Also, like, you know, I've been twice to the Golden Gloves. And the second time I was there, I just want to give you all the, I just want to give you all the key.

But maybe you, but I don't know, I just don't think you would remember this. But this is not like it's news that I'm spilling because it was a whole like thing, but for two seconds. But I was at the Golden Globes and I went to the bathroom. And I, as I was leaving the bathroom, this woman stopped me and was like, Alison, hi. She was a journalist. And she was like, did you hear what Chrissy? Metz said about you? And I was like, what do you mean? And she was like, oh, if you don't know, I probably shouldn't tell you. And I was like, I mean, you have to tell me now. What are you talking about?

And she goes, oh, on the red carpet, Chrissy Metz called you a bitch. And I was like, why? And she was like, you don't know. Like it was like, she was like ambush interviewing me and telling me that Chrissy Metz called me a bitch. And then I got back to my table and I looked at my phone and I had like 50 text messages, like some from my sister being like, hey, I wouldn't worry about it. It doesn't seem real. Oh my God. And then my publicist texts me being like, hey, just want to give you a heads up. Chrissy Metz is presenting your category. So maybe if you win, you should make a joke. Like, and then someone's sending me the clip. And then someone sending me like, like Nick Vile from the Bachelor was quoted at the bar being like, did you hear Chrissy Mets call that girl a bitch?

And I was like, okay, what happened? I need to know. So then Chrissy met, who I've met, I had met a number of times in passing, and she's the sweetest, kindest love. Like the whole time I just was like, I don't understand what's going on. It doesn't seem like something she would say. And then she like DM'd me and was just like, Hey, girl, I'm so sorry. This is not true. I just wanted to make sure you know from me that like everything's cool. And then she and I both posted something like to our Instagram stories to be like,

we're good. Everybody chill. Why do people think it? Well, there's a clip of her on the carpet saying something. It's like how people these days. The lip reading. Yes. Except it wasn't, it's like she gets cut off.

Do you know, it's like the audio goes from her to some other. person that's being interviewed. Oh, wow. But this has been happening for years now. Yeah, that was a while ago. All those lip breeding things. And I didn't even win. I couldn't even make a funny joke about it.

Did you have one planned? No, because when we sat down at our table, you know, the Golden Globes, they're like, the movie stars sit in the front and then the TV actors sit, like, really far from the stage. And not only that, but my seat was like all the way in the back next to a trash can. And I was like, I don't think, I don't think I'm going to win. I don't feel like that people I think this is a signal

and I didn't want to show me walking by this on camera. Oh, well, it's good to know that, I mean, because Normies, we don't know that you don't know. Oh, you don't know. No, you don't know. No one knows, not even like the, not even like people that they, because I feel like in smaller award shows,

they want someone to show up. They'll like, do you know what I mean? Like the people's choice awards. Exactly. Some of those I feel like you know. Well, it's an unspoken. It's like, are you going to attend? We have to know in advance.

And then you're like, I am. And they're like, oh, well, it's going to be a good one. Like, I'm not trying to call out people's choice. People are still surprised. Yeah. But like, no, you really don't know. And I always feel for people because it's like you'll be watching them. And even when there's some actor who's like sweeping the category, still when you're sitting there,

and the category is being announced, there's some part of you. That hopes. Or even it's the adrenaline of going, there's a world in which I might have to get up and speak in front of all these people right now, which would be terrifying. So your adrenaline is like, am I going to have to do that? Even next to the trash can, for the instant where they're calling the name, I'm sure I was like, oh, right, right, right, trash, trash, trash, trash.

Okay, your new project, apples never fall. Yes. Very big shift from everything you've kind of done, like the type of, the type of show that it is. Yeah, totally. You play a hippie kind of. Hippie. Yeah.

Yeah, with the tattoos and the hair. She's got tattoos. She's very spiritual. And it's like murder mystery vibes. Yeah. You know, I loved Big Little Lies, which is a book that's written by Leanne Moriarty, and she wrote the book, Apples Never Fall, that our shows based on. I mean, I love mystery shows.

I actually love Leanne Moriarty's books, and I've read eight of them or something. You know what I mean? So is that what Drew? into the project? No, it was Annette Benning. It was Annette Benning. I just, Annette Benning is one of my favorite actors of all time and has always been since I was a kid.

Wow. I have always looked up to her. I've always admired her. The American President is my favorite movie of all time. I've watched it a hundred times. And it was a year ago, a little over a year ago, that my husband and I were doing press for our rom-com that we had written. like every interview we're doing, they were like, what's your favorite rom-com?

And I was just like, the American president, Annette Benning's amazing. And in the midst of doing all these interviews about Annette Benning, I get a phone call that's like, hey, there's this show starring Annette Benning. And you would play her daughter and it's based on this book and it shoots in Australia, which was like the biggest wild card of the thing. But I'd been real, I've never been to it. I had never been to Australia. Oh, that's what you kept saying I'm going back to Australia.

Yes. I was like, well, I didn't know. it was shot in Australia. Yeah, we shot it in Australia, which was really fun. That's cool. Yeah, it was really cool. And also the character. So then they sent me the first three episodes, and I got to read them.

And kind of to your point, I felt like this character is very different from the characters that I've played. Like, she's like, go with the flow. She's kind of a mess. Like, Chrissy, prim and proper is not how I describe her at all. No perfectionist here. Yeah. And she's got some edge.

I liked the idea of the tattoo. I like that she has a slightly younger possible love interest, not to give anything away. So, yeah, it was really fun. It felt very different. And Annette Benning, meeting her, was it everything that you thought it would be? It was everything.

She's so incredible. Oh, my God. Like, to watch her work in person, I will never forget it. I'm like, honestly about to start crying right now. Like, being in the room with her watching her perform some of these scenes, like I thought I was going to. Because they say never meet your heroes.

I was just saying to someone this morning, they say never meet your heroes. That is not true of Annette Benning. I'm so of her. Not only is she an incredible actress, but she's like the coolest, like just the coolest, like just the coolest, warmest person and so game and clearly loves what she does and is having so much fun and makes the set really fun. And then in the midst of it, it was like, speaking of awards movies, we all watched Nyad. She's so great in that.

And like, so that was a big draw. And then, of course, Sam Neal plays my dad, and I really fell in love with Sam even more. I mean, I've always been a huge fan of his as well. But he is the coolest. Samuel is the coolest guy. He makes wine. He has a legit, really successful winery called Two Paddicks. He would just always give us these excellent bottles of wine and hang out.

He was bringing them over to Australia? Well, he's from New Zealand. So his winery is in New Zealand, and it's sold at shops all over the world. Oh, cool. You could buy some. Maybe I'll send you a bottle. Look at her plug in the wine. Two paddocks.

Everybody go watch a show. It's on Peacock. Yeah. It's so good. And you're like an ensemble cast. It's a true ensemble show about this family. And each episode sort of spotlights a different character. But like truly it's all hands on deck.

It's a great cast Jake Lacey from The White Lotus is in it. He has some funny moments, though. Obviously, can't have an interview with you without talking a little bit about your marriage. Sure. Sure. Okay. Because you and Dave Franco are the cutest. Oh, thanks. And you're always like on people's FYPs on TikTok doing your cute little thing. Do you know what FYP is? No. A for you page. Oh. Yeah. What is that? Like your couples interviews. Oh, it always come up. Oh, just like on the four, like my, like I have a for you page. You do have one. Is it the page you go to when you go to search something? It's the page of like not the following. Like the random thing. Yeah, yeah.

There's a bunch of random things. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's so great. And you're working together again, which is so exciting to hear. Yeah. We're shooting a horror movie together.

And it's like- Are you just acting in it together? Did you- We're producing it together. We're acting it together. It's written and being directed by Michael Shanks, who's an Australian writer-director. This is his first feature.

And it's super trippy and gross and weird. Are we going to have to wait a long time? Yeah. Okay. I hate knowing about things and so much in advance. I know. And then you're like, okay, see you in 20, 28. How was working together on somebody I used to know?

The best. Yeah. It was the best. I love being directed by him. Like, so we had acted together in the disaster artist briefly in the little hours, a little more full on. And that was so fun. And that was the first step of knowing that we could work together. Right.

Because actors are weird. Like, you know, like, we don't go to work. work with you. It's like, you know, people might have different ways of working or different like personalities. So you were scared the first time. Yes. You were like, I don't know what to expect? I was like, what if Dave is method or something weird? Like, doesn't want to speak to me. Like, am I going to be so offended? Yeah. If I'm like, hi, babe. And he's like, not now when we're on set. Yeah. So it was nice to like ease in and do like a couple scenes together and be like, oh, he's normal and I'm normal. Yeah. I still love him. I still love him. So and then and then the

Little Hours was really fun getting to do more scenes together. It's like funny. I feel so intimate kind of shooting, like kissing scenes with Dave is funny to me. Because other people are watching. Yeah. And it feels so real, you know, like, versus like kissing some other actor in a scene. Right. I'm not like, ooh, this is, this goes on in my household. Do you like use more tongue if it's with Dave? Yeah. Yeah. You're like, bloop. More tongue. I don't generally use tongue. I know. When it's not Dave. Oh, so it's when it's Dave. I don't generally, but it depends on the project.

But anyway, it was a total shift having him direct me, which we had done on his first film, The Rental, and that was really fun. And then this one we wrote together, somebody I used to know we wrote together and him direct. I just love watching Dave direct. He's incredible at it. It turns you on a little bit. It actually does. Yeah. Because he's so, this is the lamest way to talk about a turn on, but he's so kind to everybody.

like, and everybody loves him. Yeah. And he's so sweet and he's like so enthusiastic with everybody that like from afar, I'm like, I have a crush on you. Do you think that Dave also has the thing kind of that you get, which is like a different perception than what he is? I think he does. I think people might think he's like this donor, like, you know, the like, like the characters

that he played and like the. Yes. Yes. Sometimes I think people might think he's like a little. asshole yeah like i don't know fuck boy but like like a little fuck boy yeah like fuck boy is even though we haven't seen fuck boy behavior ever no never and also i was reading about how well you had the cats together but he had the cats he had two cats when you met yeah which isn't like just normal like a little fuck boy with two 18 pound cats like i feel like that

doesn't what did you think of it when you met him and he you found out he had these two cats I loved it. You thought it was like, well. I love cats. Yeah, I was really into it. Yes, I was. I grew up with cats. I've always had cats and loved them.

And then right before I met Dave, after a breakup, I was sort of like, I don't want cats. I don't want pets. I don't want plants. I certainly don't want kids. I don't want any responsibility for anything. And then I met Dave and like a month into dating, we moved his cats into my house. Before he moved into my house. Oh, my God.

His cats lived at my house for six months. months before heated. Wait. And one of them died. And then they both died. Oh, the second one died too. Yeah, but then we got two new ones. Oh. We've had a whole life cycle. We had those cats until they were 15 and 16. And then the last of those two died during COVID and we got two COVID kitties. Oh. A couple little rescues. Are they fed too? No, they're tiny. Oh. Brother and sister, we've never had a little girl together. And our little cat max is like a perma. kitten. She's so little and fluffy. We're like, just had her at the vet being like,

and is her weight okay? She's eight pounds. And they were like, she's just a petite girl. Yeah. Our petite girl, she's just a petite. She literally sleeps in the nook of Dave's arm every night. And then our boy cat sleeps between my legs. So no dogs.

That's what boys do. No dogs for you. No. But never say never. Never say never. I love dogs. I love seeing other people. people's dogs, especially give me a bulldog, give me a pug, give me a French, like a stout,

little stout dog. Yeah. But I just don't think we're dog people. You don't? No. And you say that your cats are like your kids, kind of. Yeah, because we're not kid people. You're not kid people.

No, no. You've said that before in interviews. Is that still how you feel? Yeah. Don't judge my pregnant belly. It's pregnant not fat, okay? I have to. I know I say to everyone.

I don't because you never know what people think, you know? That's true. Like, you got to tell them. It's dumb right now, you know? It's in that mid phase. Yeah. Yeah, it's in the mid phase. But I'm not judging it.

I love my friend's kids. Yeah. The kids are great. Yeah. No, I love when people make, you know, when I was debating on having another kid, I was like, I really love to make a, like a decision based on me, you know, and now what other people are doing. Yeah, definitely.

Like people are like, oh, don't have one kid because blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah. People love to say that. Yeah. Don't have one because then it'll be this or don't have none. And it's like, you have to do what's right for your, for your lifestyle and your family. Yeah, totally. But you were also not that into marriage before, Dave, right?

I know. It worried me for a while with the kid thing because I was like, well, I've walked all over being like, I'm never getting married. And then I met Dave and was like, marry me immediately. Yeah. I mean, oh, yeah. I feel like, yeah, I had never felt the pull towards wanting to be married at all. I mean, and like my parents have been divorced since I was five.

and I'm sure I just was like, why? Right. And then I met Dave and truly, like, a couple of months into dating. I started to be like, I mean, I will marry this guy. So he knew going into proposing that you were into it. Definitely. Oh, yeah. Are you kidding?

I was like, oh, no, my phones open. How embarrassing that you saw that picture of that ring? That's so weird. But that, and that is a pretty shape. Wait, but isn't the story that he gave you like a temp ring? I tried to drop so many hints about the ring. And I told her jewelry design. Irene Newer. I told her in advance, and this is the ring. And I know he'll ask you because I've said so many

times, Irene should make the ring. And he was scared. And it's good that he was because actually after he proposed, I went to Irene. And I was like, all right, it's time to make the ring. And she pulled out some photo of a ring she'd made. And I was like, not like that. Oh, my God. So I guess he knows you cliche better than. He literally knows me better than I know myself. 100%. So it was smart that he did that temp. By the way, great idea for dudes, you know, instead of asking. friends or instead of you having the hand? Oh, totally. I only wish, my only regret is that Dave was not with me when I went to pick up the ring. Like, everything Irene makes is one of a kind and the ring was made. And like, I was like, oh, the ring's ready. I'll just pop in on Thursday

because I'll be in West Hollywood. And then, like, walked in. And it was like, Irene's assistant opened a ring box and I like burst into tears. It was like a moment. He was this whole moment with like the women at Irene New Earth. It was. Beautiful. But he wasn't there. I got home and he was like, I don't know. Do you like it? I was like, how dare you? You are never getting this ring off my finger. Well, you guys make such a cute couple. And I'm so excited to see all your new projects. Everybody go watch. Apples never fall on Peacock. And thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. Sure. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat.

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