Not Skinny But Not Fat - AMANDA BATULA: THE MOST NORMAL GIRL ON BRAVO

Episode Date: April 30, 2024

Summer House’s Amanda Batula is here! Amanda is not your typical reality star- she’s not thirsty for fame or brand deals, and fans love her for it! She’s Bravo’s very own HAILEY BIEBER. We discuss this season of Summer House: from her short fuse with Kyle, to what she thinks about Carl & Lindsay’s breakup and Paige & Craig’s long distance!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Hey guys, this is not skinny but not fat. I'm Amanda Hirsch. And today, We have another Amanda on the show. We have Amanda Batula. She is proclaimed as Bravo's most normal girl. And she really is. She's normal, but she's also Bravo's very own Haley Bieber. She's got fashion. She's got style.

And she's got a husband that won't stop going out until 4 a.m. And making her very, very mad. Anyway, enjoy this episode with Amanda Batula from Summer House. She's glam to the mags. She's in Mew, Mew. she's looking amazing. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. What's a pleaded skirts. You know, it is what it is. Amanda Batula is here, everybody. I am. Hi. I'm so excited. Two Amanda's. I know. Do you know that I forget that? Like when I call somebody Amanda,

I don't think that I'm Amanda too. I guess I feel that way too. Do you like your name? I feel like there's no good nicknames. I tried to get people to call me Mandy when I was little. It didn't work. That was, I was like, I did not want that at all. Oh, you did? I tried to get people to call me Andy at one point because it was like short for Mandy. And it's kind of cute. Right? Andy's really cute.

But Andy is not a nickname for Amanda. But wait, do you know what it means? What? Our name. No. Oh, my God, I got a tattooed on me the midnight found out. It means in Latin, she who must be loved. Oh, that's so sweet.

Isn't it? Our parents probably didn't know. I feel like I looked it up one time. Yeah. Like, I think it was my first and last. name at some like weird website and it said like beautiful virgin and I was like I don't think I don't think that I wouldn't get that tattoo to my body I know I'm glad it's she who yeah should be loved yeah do you have an Alexa at home I'm we're a Google house so whatever ask them

what does Amanda mean of all tell you okay I play with my son all the time so it's like she must be loved anyway so it's a beautiful nice I would say you're the most like mysterious reality star. Am I? Yeah. And then I, when I was thinking about that, I was remembering the article that you had glamour right about you that I like really agreed with. The, they called it the most normal girl on Bravo.

That was a wild headline for that. Did you like it? Yeah. I was just not expecting that to be the headline. But I was like, wow. Did it like flatter you? Did it make you feel like, wait, I'm normal? I felt I felt flattered I guess by it yeah some people thought it was like rude and offensive but I did I guess because people don't want to be considered like normal but I thought it was great because that's kind of how I feel positive way too like as in not a stig walking character James Kennedy you know like like just reality TV person feeling drama right and one liners yeah yeah right exactly so I took it like that

Yeah. That's how I, yeah, interpret it. Also, yeah. But you're a little bit intimidating, I think, too. Am I? A little bit. I think so. Maybe because I'm quiet. I'm like very shy. I'm such an introvert and I'm very shy around people, like new people. I get so much anxiety. You do. I like hide behind Kyle. That's why I married him because he will have the conversation. I can just stand there. Yeah. That is interesting. And I have learned in my life to not judge people. Like, to not think immediately that it's about me. Yeah. It's hard. It's a learning process. Right. Yeah. So they're like a neighbor that I'm like, what a bit.

She never says hello. And then after three years, she started saying hello. And then I realized like she's just really shy. Yeah. So you're shy. I am. Like grew up shy. Yes.

When I'm with people that I know really well and I think that's what like you kind of see on the show too is I'm, I open up. I'm like a fun person. I'm goofy. I'm very extroverted with people that I feel comfortable. around. But when it's new people, I, like, don't know how to have conversation. I forget, like, how to speak. I get, like, really nervous and uncomfortable. But everyone seems like they want, like, the new people seem to flock to you in a way, though. Like, they want your acceptance

and, like, you to like them and stuff. Because in a weird way, I also want, I think, because my first summer, I didn't feel super included. Like, I know the girls, like, tried to, but they were really close group of friends. So I didn't feel like completely submerged in the friend group. So I feel like I'm always trying to make sure people feel like included and comfortable. And like I used to text people all the time after the first weekend being like, how are you feeling? How's it going after the first episode aired? And I'd be like, you know, how like how are you and checking in? Because you've been there. Yeah. Did anyone check in on you then? No. So how, so you were shy in high school, but I feel like you were probably really popular too. By association.

I think my friend group was, we all did sports. We had like a big friend group. We were called the nine. Oh my God. We didn't call ourselves that. Like you were nine girls? Yes. Or are you nines in hotness too?

No, no, no, no. There were nine of us. Okay. Yeah. We were friends with all the boys. Are you still friends with the nines? There's seven of us now. But yeah.

Stop. What happened to the two? Some people, you know, just got cut tight. They got cut. I can't believe you threw out that number so fast. We're seven. Like, you know. Oh, yeah, because we've had, yeah, normally I count, but I'm...

You know it's seven. And what do they think about, like, your fame? That is crazy. Yeah? Yeah, a lot of them watch it. My best friend growing up that's in the group will say, like, she would be like, sorry, Amanda, I don't watch it because I don't watch reality TV. I'm like, that's okay.

Do you get offended if they don't? No, I prefer when people don't watch. Really? Yeah. Why? Especially new people that I'm meeting because I want them to know me, like, as I would want to present myself to someone, not the me that's, like, yelling at Kyle or, like, drunk skinny dipping in a pool or, you know.

What aren't we seeing then on the show of you? Everything. Really? Oh, yeah. I wear my emotions on my sleeve. I can't hide how I'm feeling ever. I think it's always very apparent, like, when I'm upset or angry. Right.

Yeah. I usually cry. I don't hold back. On the show you do. Yeah. I know. Yeah. But I'm saying, like, what aren't we seeing of you?

I don't know. I feel like over the. the years I've gotten really comfortable and I just you know we're talking about before we started like you're in underwear oh yeah you don't care maybe a little too comfortable very comfortable because it is like big brother vibe sometimes right yeah like in the rooms yeah there's not like a man no there's cameras in the corner yeah so you do kind of forget yeah because it's not it's like out of sight and yeah they're not use I mean think about how much footage they have it's every room has a camera in it like the whole house there's filming 24-7, there's so much footage.

Yeah. So you know to expect that, like, not everything's going to make it. People are asking about this new room that you've been going into this season. Some, like, blue room. Oh, the club. That's called the club? It's the one with, like, the disco light and stuff. It's like a little bar.

People are like, Amanda keeps going into this, like, room when you want some, like, quiet or something. Blue room? Yeah. You don't know what they're talking about? No, because the only thing that has, like, blue light. is like the club that we call it and there's no privacy. There's no doors. Yeah, I'm trying to think what they were talking about. You guys, I've told you this before and I'll tell you again, if you want a supplement that I recommend taking and I don't easily recommend supplements. The supplement I want

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Watch Mary and George only on Stars and the Stars app. So let's go back to you coming on the show. You're not, you weren't at that time like a lot of other people wanting to be famous. No. Wanting to be on TV. No.

Wanting to be in entertainment. No. You're a graphic designer. Yep. So, like, I know you started dating Kyle. Yeah. But did he have to convince you to even come on for the first time? No.

So we had, like, been dating. We weren't official, but I had, like, met some of his family members. We were together for eight months before he broke up with me to film the show. Because I guess he, like, production thought he was single and he didn't know what to expect. So he was kind of like, before I, like, screw you over on TV, let me just cut my ties. After eight months, though. Yeah. That's a long time. Because I was like, what are we and what are we doing? Yeah. Because I know you're going to be on the show now, like you've told me. Have you seen him on the show before at that point? No. This was before their first season. Oh, it was before the first ever season. So when we were together was when I think he had applied for it before we met, but like nothing had come of it. And then while we were seeing each other, the conversation picked back up. And they were casting for it and all that stuff. So then we were no longer together. And we were both out in the Hamptons and we would run into each other at night. So I would go over there late.

Well, you were doing shared houses too? With my friends, yeah. Really? Yeah. So I would hang out there late at night, which everyone loves calling me a booty call. But they were filming during the day. Like, they had a job. There were big cameras up.

I couldn't just come over to the house. So if I wanted to see him, I had to go over there late at night when they were done filming. Oh, God. You're still carrying that booty call. Oh, yeah. People love to tell me I'm a booty call all the time. Still? Yes.

What? They're like, hey, beautiful. They're like, know your place. You're just. a booty call. I'm like, okay. You're like, no, I'm actually his wife. Yes. Yeah. Like, remember when you started? I'm like, that's not how it started. First of all, what's wrong with starting nothing? And hooking up and like whatever. Yeah. You know, it's wild to me because even though I've watched Summerhouse from season one, I'm like realizing now, just like the psychology of Kyle a little bit.

Like, he didn't get to really like be ever single for real. He, so I was out there in July. And then in August, I was not in the Hamptons. And that's. That's where he, like, made out with, like, three girls or something. So that was, like, as single as he got while filming. Right. But he didn't get to enjoy, like, reality star fandom. Yeah. Of, like, girls sliding into DMs, like, being a free bird. Huh.

Yeah. Huh. And I never got to enjoy it either. I know. That's true. But, like, do you have, do you care? No. Okay.

I don't think. Wait, how were you when he started dating? I was 24. I just turned 24 when we met. So it was a baby. Yeah. And then I was 25, the first summer that they started filming. And then at the end of that summer, he, like, asked me to be his girlfriend.

And I was like, eh, after you just told me that you made out with people. But, yeah, so that's kind of how I got loop into it. Because he was going to do the second season. And, like, what, was I going to sit home the whole summer while he was out on the hampton? And it's fun. It's, like, a fun thing. Yeah. You know?

Yeah. Like, come hang out on the weekends. And. Yeah. And I felt like, again, like, protected. and, like, safe with him. Right. You know, he was extrovert.

I didn't have to, like, you know, be pushed outside of my comfort zone too much. Yeah. But I also like that he did push me out of my comfort zone to, like, try new things and, you know, talk to people, be more social. So. And be on TV. Yeah. Do you, how do you feel when you watch yourself back?

It used to be really hard, but now I'm just like, I guess this is who I am. You don't care. I mean, you can't. Yeah. Like, you can't be that hard of a critic on yourself all this. time. And also you kind of, like, I know you went through a lot with Kyle on the show, but like you kind of don't get into real messiness with anybody else. Yeah, no. Where like people would talk about shit about you and confessions and like about your relationship. Yes. You

went through it. Yeah. But like other stuff. Personal level. No, I've never gotten in like fights with my friends. Yeah. I've never had beef. I've never had falling outs with friends. Well, Hannah a little bit. Yes, but I think that had a lot to do with we met on the show and being on the show. Right. Yeah, and there's people, you know, that was sad, but like before filming, you know, I never had. Oh, before filming. Yeah, it's like I never had falling out with friends. Like, I didn't have any issues with friends.

It wasn't personal. It was a group decision. Did you ever think of not coming back, like had conversations with Kyle before the summer's coming up? Like, maybe we set this one out. There were earlier seasons. I think I, before season seven, I had a really hard time. I was going through like the hormonal issues, like the weight loss. People were kind of being really mean on the internet.

And I was like, I don't need this. Like I don't, you know, it's too much for me. Like I can't emotionally handle it right now. What did you share about that, by the way? Like what hormonal issues? So I went off birth control after we got. got married. And then everything was fine. And then in, it was like November, December, I stopped getting my period. And then I didn't have it for like a full year. At that point,

it was like eight months or so. So, and I like had a lot of weight loss. I had really bad hormonal acne. Your skin looks amazing now. Thank you. It's been a journey. But there were times I didn't even want to leave the apartment, you know, like when your skin is so bad and it like hurts also. You can't even cover it up with anything. So I was just like really good. going through it on an emotional level. And I was dropping weight. Like I couldn't control. I was eating more than ever. And I was losing weight like crazy. What is this hormonal problem? I don't. I just, it was my hormones were just like unbalanced. It's like post birth control syndrome. I think a lot of people go through it just not talked about very much. Did they have to

stabilize it with like hormones? So I went to the gyno and then I was waiting for an appointment. And then I ended up getting my period back. And did everything. been normalized pretty much ever since. Yep, I started gaining weight again. I started like feeling more energized. How many years were you on birth control that this can happen? Probably since it was easily over 10 years. Wow. Yeah. When you started talking about it did a lot of girls like DMU that they went through the same thing. Yes. And I still get people asking questions about like what did I do? What was I like, who did I talk to? What did they say? Like, you know, all these girls that have gone up for control and haven't gotten their period either.

Yeah. Yeah, our bodies just kind of need to normalize. Sometimes it's a bigger issue for some people. It's not all just like, you know, waiting it out. So you wouldn't go back on birth control after seeing what it did? No. So now you just have to, if you don't want a baby, have to just. Right.

So you were saying before that being in front of TV, reality TV, entertainment, acting, none of that spoke to you as a kid. No, I did like acting camps as a kid. and, you know, would have, like, one line. My friends would have, like, the lead role. Yeah. And I wouldn't be able to, you know, I'd have one line and I would spend all my time remembering it. Yeah.

That was, that was as far as it got. That was, like, in, I don't know, elementary school. So it never, were you, like, a fan of, like, the Kardashians? Loved Kardashians. Love the housewives. Like, I remember the first time watching it. I mean, did I ever want to be famous? I feel like as a kid, yeah, you're like, you want to be, like, a famous pop star, like a

famous actor. You see these people, but like it's a not accessible dream. Right. You know, it's like a fantasy that you want. So what did your parents think when you got on the show? I just like when I got my nose pierced, I was kind of like, this is what I'm doing. I'm not asking you. I'm doing it. You're committed to that thing. I was 23 or I was 24. I got it Pierce just like a few months before I met Kyle. But yes, committed to it. For life. Not for life. What do you think? I don't know. Kyle says he never knew me without it. So he kind of like. likes it in. Right. But people can't see it. We didn't know you without it. No. No, no, it has. Do you ever put a stud or just the ring? No, just the hoop. Always the hoop. I always feel and no offense to anyone that has a stud, but sometimes I feel like the studs look like big like pimples. Huh. They could. And especially

being like on camera and stuff. It's so weird to try to picture you without it now. Yeah. But sometimes people don't even notice it. Like my wedding photos, you could, you don't even see it in half the Is it always the same one or do you change it out? Never. I got it pierced with a like a bigger one for. for swelling, and then the second I could get it changed out to the smallest one possible I did. And also, like, you're one of the only people left. Like, you got to hang on. I know. You know? I got to keep the nose being alive. You really do. But, yeah, so my parents, I just kind of told them, this is what I'm doing. Do they watch? My mom will occasionally, she hears more about it from her friends. Oh, that's weird. Yeah. One of my aunts watches all the time. And my dad has no interest. Yeah. He doesn't watch Bravo. He doesn't watch reality TV.

Yeah, yeah. He's not going to watch me. Yeah. So let's talk about this season a little bit. Like you said, like we do see a lot of you getting mad at Kyle. I, you know, as a married lady, appreciate, you know, showing all sides of a relationship. Because, like, it's not going to be. Right. Ramos and butterflies all the time.

But it did feel like something else was a little going on because you were getting mad at him about, like, when you get mad at the small stuff already. You know what I mean? You're like, it's annoying you're walking. You know, it's annoying your breathing. which, like, I feel like if people saw it in a meme, they would relate to it because, like, everyone's, like, you know. Yeah. Everyone has those feelings. So you got mad at him about the Jesse thing, which was funny, the Jesse hitting on page, which that in itself is, like, hilarious that he's not only hitting on page, but, like, Craig is like, yeah, that makes sense.

And everyone's, like, talking about it. And then Kyle bring, and wait, what did Kyle say at dinner? He said, like, so do you want to, like, rethink your, like, hitting on page? Which in that moment, I wasn't like, like super, super mad. You could see me being like, why would you say that? Right. And then, like, I wouldn't say, like, the way I'm going to murder you tonight if I was seriously, I was jokingly.

Like, I was annoyed with him. Like, obviously everything was fine. And I was like, okay, that wasn't cool of you. But whatever, I didn't really get upset until I had gone upstairs to get dressed. And I had overheard Sierra West and Jesse talking about how, like, it wasn't cool of Kyle to do that. It was kind of weird. And I, I mean, I'm associated with Kyle in my mind. So if people have beef with Kyle, yeah, like, it's going to be awkward for me or for them with me. And I don't want that. Like, I don't want his dumb decisions to affect my friendship. But, like, that's a nine.

Because Jesse Solomon to his face was like, that's so funny. Yeah. So, yeah, they were kind of like it was like weird. Like, I don't know why he did that, blah, blah, blah. So that's when I went back downstairs and was like really upset. You were upset. Yeah. I was mad. Like, you almost started, you cried? I don't know. know if I cried. I was just angry. Do you think something else was going on a little bit? Like, it was just like the whole summer? Oh, I think Kyle and I were in like a rut before the summer. Like I feel like we were just at each other and we kind of talk about it in this. We like, we ended up going to therapy and we did brush on it a little bit that there's like obviously bigger underlying

issues and a lot of it does have to do with the way we communicate with each other. So I think before the summer, if I can remember correctly, we just like, we're kind of like both being like dicks to each other, you know? And I just didn't have any patience for it. Like, I feel like after going off birth control too, my emotions are kind of more, they're not all over the place. I don't cry as much. I'm not like as sad. I'm more like, okay, if that's how you feel, then like, screw you. Yeah, you were like blunt at points this season. Like when at the beginning of the season, he's like wanting to spend time with you and you're like, I'm good. Like, you're like, cool that you want to now, but like, yeah, that was something we used to

fight about because all I wanted was him to hang out with me and he'd be on his own. Exactly. Independent, do my own thing. And now that I'm doing my own thing, he's going to like make, try to make me look bad, not intentionally, but try to make it look like I don't like him enough to hang out with him. Like, no, I just got used to what you made me get used to. Like you were needier before. And now you're like, you can go for a few days.

I'm good with the dogs. Yeah. Like, I'm tired of, like, fighting about it. And now he wants to. I accept it. Yeah. And then he was hanging out with the banana the whole time. Like, literally after having that conversation, that's why there's so many things that he says that it's, I think that there's, he means something else.

Or, like, there's something else he needs. But the way it comes out is, like, I want you to hang out with me more. And that's not true because then he goes and, like, is a hypocrite against his own. wants and goes and does something else, which is why I have no patience for it. I'm like, this is BS. You say it. In your day to day, though. In your day to day, you work both from home. Mm-hmm. So both of you are at home together all day. All day. So you are like, it's not like quality time. It's like work time. Yeah. But and then the thing is he's, that man's always working. He works. So we were just on a flight to Mexico, five hour flight. He was

on his computer the whole time, like so excited that he cleared out his inbox. Like, he's just always working. So at night, he'll work to, like, 7.30, all make dinner. He'll go to the gym. He'll eat when he comes back. And then he goes back into his office to answer more emails. Sometimes he doesn't come to bed to, like, two in the morning. So you do have to do, like, date night and stuff like that?

Yeah. So when he's like, I don't hang out with him, I'm like, I am sitting my ass on a couch, not doing anything. Like, you, if you came over, we could hang out together. Yeah. But you're keeping busy. Wait, so does he have an office in the apartment and you work from the couch? So we have like a key elevator situation.

So we have our neighbors moved out and now we have both sides. We have like the whole floor technically. Oh, you rented the other apartment as like an office? And the other apartment's like an office. Oh, that's cool. So it's really convenient. Yeah. But, you know, he's, it's still.

Is there a bed in the other room? No. I wish. Sometimes I go sleep in the office. No, but I still think it's not enough separation for Kyle from work because he's still able to work constantly. But that's why I get frustrated because I'm accessible to hang out with. So when he complains about like being lonely or me not hanging out with him, I feel like that's not on me.

Yeah. You know, like I'm here. Yeah. So that's why. And I think a lot of that conversation was happening before the summer, which is why I went into the summer saying I'm in my no patience era. Oh. Because like he's complaining about things that like are easy fixes that like he also needs to put in the effort to fix. But it's so funny because, like, there were summers of, like, the, like, more nagging Amanda of, like, hang out with me. Why aren't you? Whatever. And then there's this, like, doesn't give a fuck, like, do whatever you want, Amanda. And then the script flips. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But it's wild. I mean, that's like, it's like human nature slash, like, things never change. Yeah. So I guess because it was like flipping, that was getting me annoyed. Yeah. It's like things that I wanted for so long that I've had to, like, adapt to. You are now saying that, like, I'm.

I'm not doing those things. So, yeah, I was just very frustrated with him. In general. Yeah. And also you were saying, like, you get embarrassed or, like, you don't want to be an uncomfortable situation if he starts something with somebody in the house. But, like, no one really cared that much at the end of the day. But there have been times, like, in Winterhouse, when Luke, you know, had his, like,

hand on page's shoulder. Right. And Craig freaked out about it. So, like, there's, he's very protective of her. as he should be, but there is a chance that could have gone south quickly. What do you mean? With Craig. Yeah, remind me.

Like, Craig could have gotten very upset the way that he did in Winterhouse. Yeah. He got very upset with Luke. So I didn't want, not that he would get that angry. Oh, with Craig specifically that situation. Oh, yeah. So I wouldn't, like, that was my fear that his one weekend that he's here could. Gotcha.

You wanted to avoid like a bigger thing from happening. Yeah. Also, I think like at the end of the. the day, what Kyle did was very, it was like reminiscent of like a housewife's dinner, you know, like very reality TV situation. Like, so what do you think that he said, that she said that he said, you know? But these people are our friends at the end of the day. Like, it's harder to just like build a bridge and get over it when you have like very

personal relationships outside of the house. So I think that you look like the good person, the common sense person trying to be like, why would you do that? How did the audience feel? Was the audience, like, mad at you for overreacting? Some people, some people were like, I get it. At the end of the day, I think everyone thought I overreacted, especially the way that it played out,

which probably did because I was already just annoyed in general with Kyle that summer. Some people kind of understood. But, yeah, if it had just been left at what was set at the table, I wouldn't have come back downstairs and gone upset again. Because you would have seen that like everyone's over it, but you saw that there was some chatter and you didn't want it to like escalate. Yeah. And I was also drinking. So, you know, you just get like. How is your drinking? I wanted to ask. Can you really keep up with like the shots and the? I don't take shots. Okay. I for the past like maybe two or three years, I just put it up to my lips and then put it down. For who? For the visual. Otherwise people are like Amanda, you're the only one not doing it. Yeah. So now I don't even like complain. I just pretend to do it. So what's your, like, what?

Wine, what do you drink? Wine and lover boy. And lover boy. Yeah, those are my. How many can you drink? I don't, I can't drink that much. Like, I get buzzed and drunk pretty quickly. Yeah.

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podcasts in the survey, and select my show in the drop-down menu that follows. So a lot of talk about the suburbs, moving to the suburbs this season, a lot of talk about babies, like Kyle talks to page, about you not being ready, you think he's not. ready. Both of you blaming each other for not being ready. Yeah. That does go back to the communication thing, which is wild. Like he thinks you're not ready. You think he's not ready. What's actually going on? I, so the reason I think that if I was pregnant right now, like, we would make it work. I think Kyle's afraid of big changes. You know, the proposal and the wedding was like a lot for him. I think he felt like he needed all of his ducks in a row. Like, he needs everything to be

lined up and perfect. So I think the idea of having kids is scary. The idea of leaving the city, the convenience, like the partying, the social life is scary for him. So I think he partly puts it on me that I'm not ready. But what is his reasoning for thinking you're not ready? I think he just feels like I'm lazy. Like, he feels like I don't do enough or don't work hard enough or a lot of stuff falls on him. That's how he feels. Like in the apartment? Like in what cleaning? Yeah, like in life. Does he really take care of most of the stuff though? He does a lot of things, but I also do my fair share of things. And like that doesn't get taken into consideration. So it's not the same thing that he's doing. Like he'll, he pays the bills. Okay, he never gave me the option to like, how,

help contribute or like pay for the bills. He just did it. And isn't exactly. There's a little things that he's like, it comes off like auto debit or something. Or when he's like, I do your taxes, you don't do your own taxes. Kyle and I do the same amount of taxes. We have an accountant that we use together. I'm, I'm going in my bank account. I'm downloading all of my like statements. I'm putting it into Excel and I'm sending it to Kyle to share with the accountant. Yeah. It's like when he says things that like I don't do. Yeah. Sure. He's like, like the, you know, the person communicating, but I'm still doing the work. Yeah.

I'm the one, like, making all the vet appointments, you know, dealing with stuff with the dogs, like buying all that, like taking care of that stuff. So there's some logistical stuff that Kyle does. And then there's other things that I take care of. Yeah. Do you think that's an excuse, though, that he's saying, like, that you aren't ready? Yeah. Because at the other hand, you're, you know, you're over 30.

You're talking about wanting a huge family moving in the suburbs. Like, you're saying you're ready. Yes. Like you're not, you know, what else do you need to do? I mean, I don't think you'll ever fully be ready for a kid. And everyone will say that to you. Yes. And even if you think that you're ready, it's going to change your life once that baby comes.

Like, you can never. And I told my husband the other day, like, do you realize, like, it's going to be another baby? This is your second, right? Yeah, it's my second. Yeah. And I'm like, two, they say is like the biggest. I mean, but then I was trying to somebody about it, zero to one is really crazier because you're going from like not having anything.

Yeah, nothing. And then. to that. But, but yeah, I think that my advice here is, is somebody with a baby. Yes, is like, yes, it's never a perfect time. Yeah. It's okay to have like some boxes to want to check, right? Like if you guys were still like, you know, making no money, then it's like, okay, you can check like, oh, financially stable, relationships in a good spot, mental health is good, you know, whatever. But like at the end of the day, you can't have everything be perfect. Yeah. And there's no perfect time to, like, have your life change.

Yeah. And there's people that, you know, aren't trying to get pregnant and get pregnant unexpectedly and still are fine. Yes. And they're managing. So that's why, you know, I get a little frustrated with it. And he does handle, like, some logistical stuff more than I do. Like, there's always one person in the relationship that does. But travel plans. Like, if I booked the plane myself, he'll complain like, I didn't do it right. So at that point, I'm like, okay, you just do it. So there's certain. Like a perfectionist, too. Like... And, yeah, with certain things, you know, I think he always thinks there's a better way to do it. So, sure, that's why he's doing that stuff, because if I do it, I'm doing it wrong. Is there anything you're scared of with having kids?

I don't think scared is the word. I think it's, there's just, I know that there's going to be a lot of things like you just don't expect. It's going to be life-changing. And I'm not comparing it to having dogs, but that's the only thing I can relate to. No, no, I used to be the same. one, and then you have a baby, and you're like, okay, it's not the same. I know it's not the same at all, but still, like, having to adapt to certain things with that, it just, I kind of just, like, went with the flow. So I feel like there's going to be things that we aren't expected

and hurdles, but I'm not necessarily, like, nervous about it. Do you want to move to the suburbs before you even? That's how I felt, or at least, like, when the baby arrived, I wanted to be in the suburbs. I think being close to my parents, and when I say, close to my parents. I don't mean five minutes. I don't mean 10 minutes. I don't want them to like be able to come over unannounced. I mean like a 45 minute drive. Because how much is it now? It's like over an hour. Where are you in Jersey? Where'd you grow up? It's like Hillsborough. It's like in the middle sort of of New Jersey, kind of a little bit north of Princeton. So would you want to be closer to the city? Close to the city. Yeah. So that we can still get in. But like my mom won't drive

into the city. So I need help with the kid. It's like what? She's going to take the train. Yeah. Just to have you know, the assistance. Some support. Yeah, exactly. I have a lot of friends that still live in New Jersey, too, friends that are moving to New Jersey. So, and his friends are kind of spread out everywhere. Yeah. Would you compromise and have a baby stay in the city? If, so where we live right now, I don't feel like I would feel very safe or secure with a kid. Yeah. So I feel like if we found the right place that was more family oriented, easier access to the out. Because we're also going to have the dogs that we'll have to walk while taking care of the kids. So it's an outdoor space, whether it's in the suburbs or like in the city. Right. You know, there's certain conveniences that I think we need that would be ideal. Yeah. But you are different than most like city girls, right?

Because like most people are like, ugh. Like I'm like, oh my God, I don't want to move to New Jersey. Like I don't want to leave the city. Like, so I get that mentality. So it's so interesting about you that you have this like different thing that's like, no, you want to go to the suburbs. Well, it's something that we both talked about. Like, before we even got engaged, you know, when you're, like, getting to know someone

and you have the conversation with, like, how many kids do you want? Like, you know, making sure that, like, things align. The one thing that I loved is that Kyle wanted to move to the suburbs and raise his family there and have the backyard. Like, we had the same sort of upbringing. So it was, like, perfect. You said it you would. I know.

I'm like, what is happening now? Yeah. So I think he's just nervous of letting go of the city, which I get. It's a big change. But do you see it happening, so? It has to, whether he comes with me or not, like, it's going to happen. Yeah, I just, when I'm in the suburbs with my friends and their kids, I'm, like, so eager and ready to. Like, you want that life.

Yes. And then when I come back to the city, I'm like, oh, my God, I'm not ready for kids, you know. So I also feel like that. Do most of the seven have kids in the suburbs? No, they all sort of, most of them live in the suburbs. Only two of them have kids. but I have friends from college. A lot of my friends from college have kids,

but they're more in Connecticut. Gotcha. Let's talk about the house you went to see because you do talk about when I go to the suburbs. You go to see this house. I remember seeing it on the show and going, that's a beautiful house. Now, I have friends that live in Jersey.

I know there can be beautiful houses in Jersey, huge mansions with pools. Something about the house did give Hamptons. So, yeah. Gravel people found it. Yeah. They're crazy. How do they do it?

Like, I don't know. They found the listing. I saw you responded to it already. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was confusing. And they never said, like, this is New Jersey. Right.

And while we were there, Kyle made a comment about, like, you know, not being able to see himself in New Jersey or whatever it is. He made a comment about New Jersey, but it wasn't about that house. Like, you weren't pretending. No. You're seeing a listing in New Jersey. No. During the whole summer, we were very vocal about getting, like, looking. at a place in the Hamptons that, you know, we can come to during the fall, run out during

the summer to someone else, or like, you know, maybe stay there during the week during the summer to, you know, not have to do all the back and forth. Just somewhere where we can have outdoor space where we're not committing to a family home. So we were looking for something smaller. When I say smaller, that was like... Smaller than that place. About that. I mean, that size was probably bigger than I would have thought. Yeah. I want to My ideal situation was like a little shock in the Hamptons. You know, like one of those like beat down. They just need like a little bit of upkeeping.

Someone else might tear it down, but we can just like polish it. They still were like going for a million dollars. So I was like, I, this is not realistic. So did you end up getting anything? No. No. Are you still thinking about it? I think we gave up in the Hamptons because we realized that if we're going to spend that kind

of money on a house, I think we would want more house and an area that would be more permanent. The Hamptons would be like a part-time thing. Yeah. And you'd want something that was, you know, appealed enough to people in a location that they would want to rent it. Yeah. Like when you're not there, you mean. Yeah. So what's the thing about that where you were like, I want to get away from Kyle from the city by myself? Like you threw out those comments like for a month, I don't know. Yeah. It wasn't about getting away from Kyle. I just know that he wants to be in the city so bad. A part of you. Would you really be in the house by yourself? Oh, no. I would be. petrified. Sometimes I think I make like empty threats just to like get him to be like me in a giant

house upstate like where are you going to see if he would be like oh wow damn like would she do that but no I would so you wouldn't I'm terrified to be in the apartment by myself sometimes but you sounded really convincing when you were like I'll go don't tell Kyle yeah but I also it's like if he's so adamant about staying in the city why do why do we have to stay in the city like why can't Wait, you in the dogs? No, me and Kyle. You know what I mean? Like, there's no compromise.

It's like if he wants to say in the city, we're staying in the city. Right. But if I went the suburbs and he doesn't, then we can't go to the suburbs. You are right also in the sense that a lot of people that decide they want the city life and can afford it, have an escape. Yeah. Like, that does happen. Yeah. So, but no, it was just funny when picturing you like going with your bags, just like.

Well, yeah. I mean, I was mad at him. I was mad at him. him all summer, but I was particularly mad at him that evening because he was out till 4 a.m. Oh, that was when he went out in the city till 4 a.m. I was it in the city or in the Hamptons? In the city. Yeah.

Yeah. So I, yes. So I was annoyed with him. So me saying that like, maybe I'll go out for a month at a time by myself. Where do you go out until 4 a.m? Like clubs? And I don't, I think he was like, he went back to like the guys were all staying at a hotel that were out of town. So they were like at the hotel bar or something. And I don't know. I didn't even want to know. You didn't. You were just annoyed in general.

Yeah, I didn't care what he did or what excuse he had for it. No. Damn. Okay. Let's talk about some other people. Okay. Let's talk shit about other people. I'm just kidding.

Lindsay and Carl, from the beginning, were you a supporter of the relationship? Did you think it was going to work? I was supportive of the relationship. I think that, like, a lot of people, I was a little nervous about how quickly the engagement happened. Oh, you agree. with that. Yes, not vocally, not like red flag, like don't do it, but more so they knew each other as friends for so long. I felt like they needed to get to know each other on like a more intimate

romantic level because there's a lot of differences between friendship. Yeah. And like, you know, sexual, you know, all that stuff. But I was rooting for them. We hung out with them a lot. It was like really cute to see them together. It made sense. They had cute moments. Yeah. Yeah. Where it made sense. Yes. Absolutely. Like, I felt like there were moments. I don't remember, like, quotable moments where, like, people do have this conception of Lindsay. Not, I would, like, I don't even know to put the name on it.

But it's like, she seems, you know, she's like the scary one in that relationship or the one that can, like, really tear shit up. And I feel like you guys were worried for Carl some of the times. Yes. I mean, she's very vocal. And, yeah, there were times where, I mean, Kyle was definitely more. more worried about it. But, you know, she's just, she's hustle.

She wants what she wants. You know, she's not going to let anyone walk all over her. And she's not in a negative way, but she's going to, like, get what she wants. She's going to make sure that that happens. So there is, like, I think, a fear of, you know, Carl just sort of taking a backseat in the relationship the whole time. But, I mean, Lindsay's a fighter. Like, every relationship that she's been in, not like a words fighter, like fights for

her relationship to make it work. Like, she's never given up on any relationship that I've seen her in. Even when it gets really rocky, she's always committed to, like, not walking away. Did you ever think that their relationship was, like, a compromise of, like, two friends that were, like, well. When they first got together, I'm not going to lie. I think a lot of people sort of felt like their, like, timelines were just aligning and they were crossing each other's past at the right time. They're like, you want to get married? You want to get married?

You want to have kids? Do you want to have kids? Like, all right, let's, you know, give it a try. try. Yeah. But seeing them together, like, later on, it felt you could feel there was a lot of love there. It wasn't, you know, just to have kids. But it's weird that, like, you've known Lindsay for how many years? Like, nine, 10 years, yeah. And you never really became, like, friends. Like, even, like, what you're not, you're clearly, you're not the same, like, vibes. Like, you're not friends. Like, what is it about her that it's hard to connect to for a lot of people? So I think it stems

back to the season two reunion. Oh, does it? Yes. Okay. I mean, these were my boyfriend's, like, best girlfriends. Like, all I wanted was to be included and, like, be good friends with them. And they sort of left me out of a lot of stuff. They wouldn't include me. They wouldn't text me to hang out. I'd see them all together. And I get that. Like, I'm their friend's girlfriend, whatever. They don't know how long I'm going to be around. But at the reunion, the girls kind of like came at me. and it made me really upset. And I remember texting Lindsay after being like, what do I have to do to like make this right?

Like just begging to be like, you know, taken back and friends again. And it was never quite the same after that. Like still to this day, I don't make plans with anyone. But you know, Lindsay doesn't text me to hang out. You know,

I'm not texting her either. But you think that maybe you got so hurt then that when things change and you kind of became like, you and your friend, friends are kind of, you know, more prominent in the house. Was it kind of like you were so heard from that back then, like, you weren't going to let her in in that way anymore? Kind of. And I think season three, she like, her and Danielle unfollowed me on Instagram and they like, the three was took a photo together that they cut me out of. Like, I was literally right

next to them in the photo and it was the crop to just the two of them. So there were a lot of things that made me realize, like, why am I fighting for these friendships if these girls don't care about me at all. Yeah. So then, you know, when I became closer with Hannah and Paige, I felt a lot more secure in my own skin. And I was like, I don't need their friendship. Yeah.

You know? Right. So, you know, it made me view her actions differently because it wasn't someone that I, like, passionately cared about. Are Kyle and Lindsay's still friends today? Or you had to kind of pick a side? They, I don't think Kyle's picking aside. I mean, I can't ever tell what Kyle's going to do next.

I know he has a lot of love for Lindsay. He does? Is that weird for you? Like, are you like, what do you, like, what's the connection? Like, do you see it? Like, yeah, they like, they fight a lot, but they also, like, will make up. I think they have a lot of forgiveness for each other, but they're also very honest with one another.

It's very interesting to witness. That friendship. Yeah. What did you think of her trying to make Kyle a flower, boy. I understood if if she did do it and it's not right because we don't know I I said that too I was like everyone's assuming this which it could be a fair assumption but we don't know for sure Carl is presenting it well oh Carl did end up saying he said she didn't say verbatim but yeah yeah if she did do it I 100,000 percent understand because if I was in Lindsay's shoes and Kyle was coming at me

and calling me names and yelling at me previous to, you know, me getting married and was so rude, I wouldn't want him standing up, like, the day that I'm getting married with everyone else. You know, like, I wouldn't necessarily want him up there. So I could understand why they were like, okay, we're not going to kick him out of the wedding, but this is how we'll incorporate him. But I know Kyle was really sad about it. Yeah, you felt bad. First of all, he's had like a glow up these last few seasons where, like, he looks.

so good next to, you know, it used to be like he was the bad boy and he's fucking up. And like, you know, and I feel like other people are fucking up. And he's like, this is what you should do. I'm like, we're in a place right now where Kyle's like the voice of reason with his mullet. I've taught him a lot. Like the amount of conversations that we have at home where I'm like like trying to explain to him or like get him to see something. Or I'm like, you can't do this. Like this is what you have to say. Yeah. You can't, you know, act like that. So you're taking full credit. I'm taking like 80% credit. And what about the mullet?

You don't hate it. You hate it? I tolerate it. You know, I'm just, there are certain things that I'm trying to be a supportive wife and I have to pick my battles. And that's a battle that I'm. Really? Yeah.

Didn't you think it would be a phase? Yeah. How long has it been two years? Two years. I pull up photos from the wedding all the time. I'm like, look how handsome you look here. Like, you know, I'll pull. his hair back in the mirror and be like, look at how attractive you look. Oh, my God, don't give him

ideas on, like, ponytailing that shit or something. I know. I did French braid at the other day. It's like a rat tail. It has been fun. Just two little like, you know, French braid pigtails in the back. Page and Craig. There's so much talk, you know, they're both reality stars and different shows. His fans really want him to settle down in Charleston. Page gives like, I'm not leaving the city energy. What do you think is going to happen? Do you think she'll move to Charleston? My dream scenario is that they end up getting a place in both spots. Like maybe Craig sells his house and they buy a house together in Charleston and they get an apartment in the city together.

And they have, you know, they're able to split their time. For what, like, I think that would be the next step in order for them to get engaged because then they're still together. You know what I mean? They're sharing these apartments. maybe they travel together, you know, Paige can come up here for work, you know, Craig can go down there. But you don't see her moving. I think Paige is really hitting her stride right now with her career and business-wise. Like, this is, you know, she's just getting started. Like, she's worked really hard to get to where she is now. And to just uproot and move to Charleston makes no sense. There's no opportunities for her down there.

Yeah. She'd be coming back to New York all the time anyway. So I think that that's maybe, you saying that breaks the fourth wall a little bit. bit because I feel like that's not being said. It's said like, I don't want to leave the city, but you're right. So much of this is like career and like her life, not just like friends going out, summer house, but like everything else, you know? Travels for a lot of other things, but like there's so much happening in the city where it just makes sense to be here. And Craig has his store down Charleston. That's so hard though, because it feels like a like, I mean, I think it is nice with them too that they are being realistic about it. You know, people were hating on that that he was like, I don't know, maybe we'll break up.

Yeah. But it's like there could be a world in that they don't figure it out. I think that they will figure it out in an unconventional way that'll probably piss a lot of people off, but it'll work for them. You think? That's what I think. I mean, they're so happy right now. It makes me wish that, like, Kyle and I were long distance because they feel like having some separate time together. When you were talking about the sex stuff and Paige was like, oh, you don't do it five times a day, I was like, okay, Paige, like you're not married.

And also, you're long distance. So you're always, like, missing each other. Yeah. Lindsay asked me and they didn't, I don't think they showed it. But I was like, I'm not doing it that much, but I'm also not going like two weeks. Well, you said, you said at the beginning, like, I think what they showed that you said, which is true. Like, but if at the beginning, like at the beginning, it should be. Yes. In the beginning of a relationship, yes. It was happening a lot more. But you can't judge where somebody's at, you know, 10 years together.

No. You know. I did want to ask you just, because we talked about the beginning. normal the normalist girl the normally normally but you're not what i like about you and i feel like a lot of other people is like you don't give thirsty you know dying for like in to be an influencer you know vibes which is different than a lot of reality tv stars but like you'll do your brand deals right like you do that yeah like you have you work at lover boy before that you worked like do you think you would leave that job to be a full-time influencer if not to leave for lover boy or do you think that was never of interest to you? I mean, no, I don't think that I would

have ever done that. I think that like maybe I need to lean into the influencing a little bit more because there are opportunities there. Like why not? Yeah, exactly. People want to know what you're buying. Yeah. People love your style. But it needs to make sense for me. I think that's been my biggest issue with it is like, you know, brands reach out that I've never used or never would use. And I don't, I can't talk about something that I don't like believe in. I don't know how to make things up and live. So it has to be stuff that is authentic. Yeah. I should lean into that more. But yeah, I don't think I would have. But I think people like that about you that like you're not the typical influencer. Like you have a following. People want to wear what you're wearing. Like you link,

you wear Birken socks. People want it. You know what I mean? Like I'm like, that's, so cool, won't look like that on me. Got to own it. People... I look like a slum half the time. No, you don't. People compare you to Haley Bieber. That must be the best compliment ever. And people also get very mad that I get compared to Haley Bieber. I didn't choose it. Oh, there's both sides of the section. No, they, I don't see that side. I see the Haley Bieber side. Yeah, I get it all the time. Which is such a...

Which is not something I'm trying to do, but at the same time, she does have like a lot of great looks, But she's not so, like, individual where no one else is doing what she's doing. So, like, there's so many girls doing, like, the clean girl makeup, the slick back hair. Yeah. It's just, you know. Yeah. But I think there's other similarities. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. But that's a huge compliment. It is. So what are your goals? Like, what would your dream life be? I dream. I mean, dream life is, like, one day to just live on a farm and have, like, chickens.

Yeah. I saw you said that. You know, do all that fun. So I don't know if that was. would ever happen or just have a bunch of dogs that I foster in the suburbs. But I also want to do something for myself, like have my own business, even if it lasts like three years, you know, just to do something and have something of my own. And what space do you think? I've been putting a lot of thought into it. I'm not sure. I would love to do something in clothing possibly. Just because,

like you said, there are a lot of people that, you know, I'll wear like Birkenstocks and people, you know, will want it. I'm not doing these like high fashion looks. So something that's like more attainable. I bought a sweater you link for like $250 you bitch. This revolved sweater. There's some pieces that are so good. Was it the pink one? No black. Like kind of like Lucy

Goosey. Oh yes. So this is what I did. The cashmere one. Yeah. So beautiful. Amanda linked it. It was like sold out. I signed up for the notify like a loser. Got notified and then when you get notified you just automatically like I've waited. Feel pressure. It's like it's time. So I got

Got it. Like pregnant in like an extra large. But it's so comfortable and it's so cute. I know. I kept it. I could have returned it. I kept it. But you do, you do influence. Okay. Okay. Some quick fire question. Who's a dog person who's not? Page. Love it as an accessory. Okay. Doesn't seem dog persony though. She's really good with my dogs. Yeah? Yeah. Carl. Yes. Dog person. Lindsay. Yes. Oh, Sierra. Sierra is an animal person, but I think she leans towards cats. Yes, she does. She's a cat person. Who would you not trust from the cast to watch your dogs? Would I not trust? Probably West. He doesn't seem trustworthy with dogs. Is Kyle a good dog dad? When he's left to his own devices, for the most part, I just have to remind him of something sometimes. But you're better. For sure. Okay.

The ultimate. Oh, and just the anecdote about the Diet Coke page. Because I've had another conversation with another influencer since. We talked about it. It's not the real Diet Coke page, you guys. The Instagram account, Diet Coke, don't be flattered if they like your... Here's my thought. Okay. Why wouldn't Diet Coke sue to get that page removed because they'd be impersonating them?

You're right. They're a huge brand. You're right. I feel like there has to be some sort of connection there. I agree it's not like someone in the Coca-Cola office being like liking my like stuff. Maybe they like it. Why not? They're hyping up the brand.

It has to somehow be approved. Coca-Cola is not going to let. a verified Diet Coke account be like, you know. Okay. You make a good point. I still don't think it's like of the Coke. Yeah. But they have to have some sort of approval.

You think? There's no way a brand that big would let a verified account represent them and not have some sort of oversight of what they're posting. I feel like all the influencers who love Diet Coke, which is everybody, right? Yeah. Everyone's like gets excited when I had the same reaction. I'm like, oh my God. I'm going to be a model for Diet Coke.

Coke, you know, and then like... They didn't offer to send me anything, which I'm extremely upset about. Oh, sorry. Right. That's what I wanted, the free Diet Coke. But I don't think a brand that large would let a verified account represent them without having some sort of candidate. Amanda, you're literally forgetting the people today pay for verification.

But again, Coca-Cola would report them and talk through Instagram and let us know what you guys think you guys. You know, they'd get rid of that page fast. Is it the real Diet Coke page yes or no? Coca-Cola has had. Thank you for coming on, Amanda. I loved having you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review.

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