Not Skinny But Not Fat - Bachelor Nation 411 w/ Jared Freid

Episode Date: July 28, 2020

Jared Freid joins me in a Bachelor Nation update episode- because boy, there’s A LOT going on. Not only do we have a new bachelorette, Clare Crawley, but also a first Black Bachelor, Tyler C’s bestie, Matt James!!!! We discuss our fave Bachelor Nation couples, who we ship (*cough* Dean and Caelynn), Cassie and Colton’s (SHOCKING) breakup, what’s up with Pilot Pete and his current GF and 5th choice, Kelley, and my god those Bachelor GOAT condensed seasons from Chris Harrison’s basement lolz.  Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat. Jared Freed is on the pod today. Jared, I always spell your name, Jared fried. That's okay. It's really, I'm so unaffended by name mistakes that I can't believe when people are offended by name mistakes. No, I mean, Jared is easy, but the freed and fried, I feel like I have to think about it.

I'm like, wait, it's a trick question. Sure. Think it would be I before E. Right, but it's not. It's not. Well, that could have been like a misspelling, you know, for my grandfather's grandfather's grandfather. Like, I don't know. Like, I just remember when I started doing stand up, I would go to open mics and you write your name on a list and someone would host the open mic and they'd go up and they'd read your name.

And like, why should they know my name? I'm just some dude who paid five bucks to go up at an open mic. So they would go, Gerard fried. And I'd be like, all right. And I would just start. Like, who cares? You know, like, if I'm funny, then someone will go, what was your name? You were pretty funny.

They're not going to remember your name. But then I would always see these people that you'd go, they'd go like, Gerard fried. And then some dude would get up. They'd be like, Tom Epstein. And then like Tom Epstein would get on stage. You'd go, he would spend the first minute going, it's Epstein it's Tommy Epstein it's Tommy E and I would be sitting there be like this dude's wasting a minute of the five minutes he gets that he just paid money

for so it's like wait did you think of having a stage name it was that yeah well that's how like that's how there's so many like John Stewart is John Lee yeah so like right I mean that's kind of like, I'm offended that he didn't want to stay leave of it. Didn't want to stay Jew. Yeah. Well, there's like, you know, there's like, what is the sound of it? Like, John Stewart does sound famous, but maybe that's because he is famous. Like, I do have that thought, like, Jared Freed.

Like, I don't even know if that's a name that you would go see. Like, who... I'll never be famous. It sounds stupid. Or just, like, if you saw that in a comedy club, you'd be like, is my nephew doing the show tonight? Is my uncle here? that's so weird but so by the way you guys

Google like because I somehow when I got into like an article that was like celebs who change her name like Reese Witherspoon ain't Reese Witherspoon she's like Laura something

yeah there's like a lot of names that you like a lot oh my God I'm so pregnant and dumb lot of Del Rey well yeah you think that isn't she like isn't she just a computer

generated person in general No, Anadale Ray is like the least surprising one. Listen, I usually, we've talked about this, we've done podcasts together, I like to accept reality as it is and like not question things.

So like, but then it starts to annoy me when like I'll read a celebrity gossip article and it's like machine gun Kelly and Megan Fox are, I'm like, fucking Stuart, like his name is Cheston.

I don't fucking know. Like he has a regular name. Like, well, it is machine gun Kelly is one of those people that you look at him and you're like, man, you have the look. Like he has the look. Climidia. Well, it's like that he is the look of like the guy in high school that like every girl like had a crush on at one point. Like they knew he was kind of a dick. he's got he's bad boy like that is a look i'll never have it's like the opposite of my look so

like i always have some jealousy like and then he's like yeah machine gun and everyone just accepts it like yeah like if i was like g easy or g easy it's the same brand right they all have that look of like skinny guy can wear anything which i don't i'm not like you know me i'm not a like vulgar podcast i'm like but but it makes me these skinny guys with the that look they're talking about makes me think that they have a big penis. Yeah, that's the thing though. You're like probably.

Probably. Yeah, that's the privilege of being tall, skinny guy who can wear any t-shirt that he just pulls off the rack. Like, women think that guys don't have that in them. Like that idea of like, oh, he can wear anything. You know, like, yeah. Like that. I love that you're honest about that because you are.

And by the way, am I? because I feel like every time you come on my podcast or I was on yours like I crack up the entire time I'm like your best audience you're the best I really enjoy when both ways when I came on yours and you came on my it's a match made

it's a match made in podcast in podcast heaven and I wanted to confess to you that the last time we did this on your podcast I don't think my pregnancy was like out or I don't remember and I got so hot flashy during that I took up my pants and you didn't know.

I had no. Oh, wow. We were on Zoom. I did like a move like you can't see me and like I was like, listen, I'm fucking, I don't know, sitting in a chair like sitting in a while gets me hot. I don't know, not hot in the sexual way and like a sweaty way. No, I feel the same way. Just I think like, you know, weaponized speaking. The way we're talking is not normal way to talk.

Like we're like listening to every word. We're not on our phone. Weaponized speaking is really. good. That's what podcasting is. Is that it? Is that it? I need to know. That's it. That's what because when you're zoned in, you're talking to someone, it is a physical thing to podcast. Like I get done and I'm like, people think it's easy. Like it's, I, I have so much fun podcasting and not using the word podcasting. It's like an annoying word, but I have so much fun doing it and talking to people and meeting people. And it comes like, I don't want to say like easily because

I'm amazing. But it's not, obviously, it's like fun for me. But I'm telling you guys, I finish. I'm red. I'm sweaty. Yeah. I need a, I need a moment to like collect and like remember that I have other things to do in my life. I'm like, excuse me. Howard Stern, okay? Give me a second to remember I'm not. That's an underrated thing. When I get done, I'm living with my girlfriend. I kind of looking around like I need 10 minutes to not speak like I need to just I need to go away like I need to be put away wait do you make her be quiet when you podcast what do you what do you do with her do you lock her in the closet that's what I do I say shut the fuck no what if I was like this nice guy in podcasts and just this monster yeah I don't know get the fuck out of me it's to me it's the same

thing as her having a meeting. Like, hey, I got a meeting at 11. Okay, I'll find my way. I'll wander away. I'll go outside. I'll get a coffee. Like, that's kind of how, you know, there's moments where we run into each other where she's like, can you shut the fuck up? You're loud as fuck. And do you miss going to the studio or do you like kind of doing everything from home? I, I like doing it from home now that we've figured out the Zoom thing. Now that it's like a professional looking, I know how to send it off. And that, like, not only is it professional looking, but it's, like, professionally accepted as, like, the standard of, like, you know, Bravo reunions are on fucking Zoom. Like, the news are on Zoom. So you're like, I used to think, you know, I had to go and I had to this.

And you're like, fuck that. Like, the world is doing it. And it opens up, guess. Like, the idea, like, like, if I'm, like, I, you know, having, coming on your show when you're like, it opens up more. hours in your day. I wonder if we'll ever go back like not only podcasting, like the world realized that it doesn't need to like do things the way we were doing. I mean, that's a lot of things. That's, I mean, like imagine business trips. Fucking business trips. Imagine you have to like go to China for a meeting. Why? I can't understand it. I do understand the idea of like,

hey, I want to be in the room with the person. There's things that we have to go over. It's a long meeting. we're going to have like, but, you know, I think we're, I think so much of this was about learning it. None of us were going to take the time to learn something that we weren't sure if people were going to accept. So like you and I, we weren't going to like learn Zoom and learn how to like, you know, upload and download and who to send it off to. We were like, no, I'll go to the studio so I don't have to learn those things. And now that we've had a very real thing happened where it's like, okay, we all pivoted to survive, you know? So yeah, and survive, I use that word, you know, survive is our version of surviving is very privileged. Oh, like I had to figure out

how to use a USB card, you know, like that's our version of surviving. But right, I don't, you know, I think, oh, the USB card. How could, how could they make us to, but like, I mean, you and I both know that Passover was had over Zoom. for a lot of people. The idea of teaching an old Jewish woman how to do Zoom for Passover, that sounds like hell on earth for me.

So there are people that taught their grandmothers how to do Zoom. No one would do that. People would go, no, I'm coming over. We're doing a regular Passover to not do that. Only it would take a pandemic for you to go, Nana, Nana, no, the camera. is on the computer.

There's a camera here. Right. I was just, my sister's mother-in-law, they were FaceTiming her to show her

their baby, right? She's like holding her phone. She's face-timing. And I, well, actually, I was like, don't copy my fucking

chick. I like doing to my nephew when I, when I face-time with him, I like hiding myself, so I'll put my finger on the front camera.

Sure. And then he'll go like, I'm not, I'm not, because I'm such a narcissist. I need him to, like, scream my name and, like, and then I'll appear. And then I'll, like, take the finger off. So they wanted the grandma to do it so she would feel the love.

So they're like, put your, so she's like FaceTiming them, right? Which means her front camera is working. She knows how to do that part. And they're like, so put your finger on the thing. And she's like, she puts it on, like, the back. And they're like, no, in the front camera. She's like, I don't have a camera in the front. Like, she didn't even realize.

Exactly. Like she had a camera, even though that's what she's using. To FaceTime. And again, she shouldn't know. You know, like, you know, like, but the only reason that you, that you're going to go through the motions with, you know, Nana is because there's a pandemic. We have to. You have to.

Right. Like, yeah. Now I have a question about this in relation to this. Are you staying in the city? Or has this made you want to move? No. And, you know, we talked about, oh, that's a different question. But I remember us because we, we had a podcast with when this.

was just starting. And you said something that I've thought about so much and even copied at Jared Freed at Gerard fraud is that you were like

this is when you find out who's fucking rich and has another house. Yes. You know what I mean? You said that. You were like this is when the one you find

and then you find out who doesn't and who's like oh yeah I would have gone to my sure. You know, uh, uh,

uh, uh, thing. But, but it's so true. And it didn't make me want to like rent and Airbnb for four months. Like that was not my vibe because I was like I need to like who wants to like pick up

and move their life temporarily and all their shit and but it did make me realize like for the few days that I managed to escape the city and were heavenly to take off the mask like a wired bra and breathe air and not get into elevator like the city is the worst place to be in the summer on top of that a pandemic on top of that being eight months pregnant with a motherfucking mask and a sweaty elevator it's like you want to like you want to be in the nature so it didn't make me yeah not want to like run away at this time and come back but think about the near future like oh my god like I'm gonna move to the suburbs at some point like it's gonna happen it's pushing everyone like I have a lot of friends that like instead

of doing like, you know, I think a lot there was this thing of like, I have a lot of friends who have recently had kids and they're like, we'll move out of the city once the kid is too big for the apartment. And it's like, that person is now, no, I'm not out of here. Like, it feels like people are. Because imagine being home with the kid.

I can't imagine. I can't. Imagine being home. Like, I see my sister with her son and it's like he's going like back and forth in the apartment. And the park is gross. And I mean, I mean, the city, listen, what I love about it, and I feel, obviously, it's not worth people, you know, getting sick. But I love the empty city. We have a car, so it's, like, confined parking.

The car thing, that is like having, like, a second bedroom. Like, you, I rented a car. The minute we got in the highway, I was like, whoo, we can do anything now. Like, it was, like, a huge relief. Like, it is. You go to the beach, like, every day. What's happening with you? No, I went to, I did a show, actually last weekend, socially distanced show at a winery.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that. So I traveled up to Connecticut and we like stayed at the beach that was like 40 minutes away. When I see your stand-up shit, it gives me anxiety, even though you can tell like I'm not a shy person. But even more, like tell me if I'm wrong just by the way it looks. Like, if it wasn't, I feel like socially distant stand-up is more stressful than regular stand-up because it looks more like, like you can see each person probably. Well, I think like stand-up in general is just like, it needs to be in the right, the atmosphere has to be right.

And so like, you know, before this all happened, I was booked on outdoor shows and you'd be like, fuck, outdoor shows suck because there's no ceiling. Why? Because, again, like you said, there's going to be sunlight. Daytime shows suck because people don't want to be seen laughing at something that might be a little bit wrong. Or like, you know, when it's outside, there's no ceiling.

So the ceiling kind of like traps in laughter. So you get to feel the laughter a little bit more. It's all like, it's all like touchy shit. Again, it's the equivalent of getting my name wrong. Like, I have to get through it. You know, so like Yeah, yeah. So those, what you find

is like, that's why people, like, the comedy seller is like a home for me. The comedy seller, I've always referred to as like a comedy country club because they listen to comedians and they do everything right. Like some clubs are like, yeah, get in there and do the jokes and you're like, well, can you guys give out the checks at the end of the show? And they're like, why would we do that? And we're like, well, because in the middle of the show, you kind of interrupt the whole show.

And then they're like, well, we don't want anyone sneaking out. It's like, well, how many people, why don't you get a security guard? So then it's a better show. And then the club goes, why don't you shut the fuck up and do your jokes? And then you're like, okay, I'll shut the fuck up. The seller gets a security guard. I know the joke part. The joke, the check part is an awkward part.

Yeah. Because you're like, oh, I didn't have a sprite, you know, waiter, you know, and then you start doing the whole thing. The whole thing. And, you know, groups of women just generally are worse with the check than groups of men. That's all. Like, I'm sorry to put it on one group, but they'll be like, what? I didn't get about, you know, it's like, you know, you're just hoping that all the people just throw a car in the middle.

Like, they have a thing in New York City. So, like, if you're on the road, I'm going on the road, I'm going to Baltimore. I'm doing a show. They're doing half capacity shows. I'm going to Baltimore, July 16 through 18. So I'll be. Oh, my God. Are you going to have to quarantine when you come back?

I think Baltimore is not on the list. Baltimore is in. But, but where? Where were you with the wine cellar? I'm going to call you out to Cuomo. Connecticut. That's Connecticut's fine. No, it's not.

Connecticut's fine. Oh, so where was he saying that when you have to come back, you have to quarantine? Florida, Georgia. Oh, not like New Jersey? No, I don't think so. I'd rather- I'd hope that people from New Jersey should have to quarantine forever when they come into New York. We should just make everyone from New Jersey.

Don't come. Just don't come. Two weeks inside or don't come at all, Jersey people. Yeah, so, yeah, I don't know. It's, it's an added, the check stuff. There's always, stand up is just so particular that like any variable can take away or make the show. That's why someone yells out and you make fun of them and you have this fun moment. That can also go the other way.

So like when someone's like, I was trying to help, it's like, no. you threw a log and I had to like figure out how to make the law into my way and I had to jump over the fucking log and sometimes I trip and sometimes I get over it. Yeah. No, stand up is one of the professions that's the scariest and one of the most courageous because you're saying like open space, close space, but there are spaces that are fucking holes in the wall, underground, makeshift garages. I mean, I'm sure I've been to crazy shit. yeah when you first start it's like you're willing to do it anywhere because like no one needs me no one needs me now to do it that's kind of been the depressing part about quarantine

is like you know that was like a big part of my life every night for 10 years I was going on stage and then it's like all of a sudden you're like not and you're like oh man did anyone even need me to do this in the beginning you know you go through a lot of like interpersonal shit

you know like you know it gets dark for a second but I'm fine. Good. And also, oh my God, watch this transition. So one of the things

that I love that Jared does the most and probably how we connected at first was your Bachelor screams, which I think at the beginning, I was like, why are they called that? And if you watch,

you'll get it. You'll get why they're called these screams. They're all in my highlights. They're all in your highlights, you said, right? Yeah. I put them in my highlights after. I was like,

in your high life. And they're so funny. And you're even doing a better, I mean, even, it's hard to top. But I, you're doing the Monday night greatest bachelor recaps too. I wasn't going to do it. You always say that. You did listen to your heart. You're like, wasn't going to do it.

I know, I know. And they pulled me back in. But I ended up doing like three of them. And I was like, oh, I'm back, baby. Yeah. The only thing that bugs me, I don't know. You're watching it live, babe, the commercials. three hours it's a it's a it's a lot it's a lot but i take it less seriously than like a normal

episode so i kind of feel like it's a less stressed out version of it for me like i i because i really do stress over them so this has been fun because like i don't really have to yell about everything right like i like it's a rerun bitches yeah thank you i like yelling at like the interviews he does with like former contestants first of all let's start so So greatest episodes of all time They're doing it on The Bachelor And the first thing I noticed And I think we might have talked about it

Let's talk about Chris Harrison's set up Home setup Let's talk about How it needs a little bit of a Of a modernization So I know he's married to Lauren No he's not married. They're dating but yeah

Oh their date Okay so now it makes even more sense This looks like a Like his house looks like a house a man put together. Like, it doesn't look like it has any female touch. From 1968. Like, we need...

It looks like he's working at an old furniture store. Yes. You guys, his TV where he pulls up the old contestants, is a 17 inch, like, could he not get a plasma? Could he not get a wall, like a green screen with a projector? I need to know. That's the least of my worries. How about the desk?

The desk is like a thousand years old. It looks like it's like I, I, it feels like the desk in a lawyer's office where they tell you about the divorce. They're like, uh, mommy's going to get you for three weeks. No, it's you guys. Daddy. Legit. A hundred and behind him, he has his book, but in the cheesiest way, like not like my book is

happens to be here and like maybe a rose on his table. And then he always, his son is doing the videoing, which is like very pro like social distancing. But like, come on, you could get like a team member, like a production assistant. It feels very job that the son of a rich person says they had. Like, oh, like you'd be like, oh, what do you? Did you have any experience? Well, I worked on my dad's TV show. Like, he just looks like he stands there.

Oh, my God. But if he points him out. Was he press play? But how many times does he say like, and my son, Chris is here? Chris is in Dungarees. Like, I don't know. Is that what they're called? Chris just looks like he's high and just has no idea.

I don't think his name is Chris. It is weird. Because that's Chris Harrison is the hose. So his son's name. Let's say it's Ben. He, he pans to Ben. which I'm wondering how because if Ben is the only person there

then who's panning to him? Yeah. Production wise. Yeah, it should be, you would think that he would do a selfie like, hi, I'm here and then start pointing again. Again, this does, his job does feel like the job, a rich kid at.

Because there's a teleprompter and not angles because you're just, sorry, not a teleprompter. I meant, see how not techie I am? Like the tripod, you have the kid. camera on the tripod and you see it behind him because Chris Harrison points it all all the time and it's just on Chris Harrison because there's no like guests or anything so so we don't really know the son's job it's in this like seller weird I mean I can't get over the TV it looks like an Applebee's it looks horrible like you're like dude you're rich what do you mean

the least of your problems is the the the the laptop sized monitor on which they pull up the guest like if it's such a big part of the show which it I feel like it's dumb like I don't even like that part like couldn't they get a 75 inch like couldn't they I mean get a get not a Samsung get a TCL I don't know you're right it is a bigger part of the show than the tech it could have it behind it like you know, it's just so, okay, that's, that, that, it also shows you, it also shows you that these episodes that they're putting on cost them zero dollars to make, like, like, ABC is like, we're getting good rate, their ABC has to be getting good enough ratings. They're making all this money and they're paying like 10 cents to make this. They've hired his child to like press play. Like, it just shows you $10. How easy some of the... Yeah, like, we talk about the world changing.

ABC's like, this is going to be every show. Like, Jimmy Kimmel's going to be just a TV next to Jimmy Kimmel. And he's going to be like, hey, I'm here with Maria Manunos. And she's going to go, hi. Legit. But Jared, legit. Like, that's, I mean, it's insane. I mean, I've been doing virtual happy hours like paid.

Okay, Jared, plug your fucking happy hour, okay? I don't have it. They're over now. There's no plug. No more? Come to Baltimore. We'll do more in the future. But mine are better produced than The Bachelor.

Like they should be on the platform that I'm on because it's actually better. And I'm not even just saying that. But I do think there's an aesthetic to it. It's like the same reason that like I think there's a thing with all these TV hosts where they want to lie to us like they're in the same boat as us. they don't want to admit that they're all multi-billionaires that can get COVID tests every 15 minutes and have everyone that comes in their house

get a COVID test. Wait, did you watch the Tiger King? Yes. Did you watch the reunion that Joel McHale also like from a trailer truck or something? He was also like somewhere very random. That's a thing. Like Kimmel is doing.

in Kimmel at home. Fallon is with his wife walking. Like they all want to give up, like there's certain TV positions that I don't know how this happened, but they've turned into political positions. Like Chris Harrison is trying to make sure that we, that we don't think he thinks he's better than us. Like there is a little bit of an element of that. That's why he has the TV on the desk from Applebee's that, you know, where you go to put

your name in. I get it's so ridiculous. Wait, so last night, let's start from last night. Last night was your favorite girls. You love Jojo. I love Jojo so much. My girlfriend can't, can't understand it. So I'll start with like a negative, though.

Okay. What's the negative? Oh, new request for a cameo coming in hot. Listen, got to pay those bills. If we're going to move to the suburb. with that new kid. So I know you love Jojo and I was trying to figure out yesterday

what did she do face-wise? Like, no. No, don't fucking tell me she was a real estate person. I don't care about that. It's funny because people will respond to me about like, look at how much

the face changed. The one episode I could talk about the face change was the- Caitlin and Nick Vial and who's the one that changed their face. There was three men on there. And, oh, I could make fun of Jason Tartor, Rick.

Tartick. Why, what did he change? He just looks like the, you know, like a cartoon character. He's got the slick back hair. Wait, so, okay. So you could talk about that and you did and what you got shit for it? No, no, no. The thing is, when I make fun of these shows, like, I don't feel comfortable with being like,

look at how, look at that work. that woman has done it's just you know like I have to play both sides and and for nick Vial like Nick Vial it looks like a different person but babe like it's really but but it feels like he just grow out a beard sometimes because then there was a scene where he was with a beard and all of a sudden he did resemble the true but Nick Vial also like he did the thing where like I think this happens in all reality TV and I think you're the perfect person for me to talk to about this. Every reality person, Bachelor, Bachelorette, Jersey Shore, any reality person that gets big and has a second season comes back looking like a different person in the second

season. Oh my God. They see them and it's relatable. They see themselves on camera. You're being taped at all hours. Right. I mean, it's relatable, but it's sad, but it's sad because it means two things. It means they either watched themselves and got really critical or the worst part is they read comments and an article. I mean, the world is less like that now. We're not in 1999 with like that was okay to be like, she's so skinny and she's so fat. Like at least that we're being like politically correct about. But we're also DMs exist now. Right, right.

Ben, people write to me all. But who told Hannah Ann and I'm nobody? I know she follows you and I know you fucking live for it. But who told. I love Hannah Ann. But who told her and her mom. She knows mom is a fan.

I like her mom. Who told Hannah Ann that she's 23 and needs to do so much Botox? And I mean, she came on one of those interviews on the Applebee TV and she looked like a different person. See, I as a guy,

I don't notice it as much as what. Because I sit and watch with my girlfriend and she says the same thing. She'll be like, look, she'll see like a spec and she'll go, that, that's, that's where they put in the Botox. And I'm like, I don't notice it. I genuinely, I'm not even lying when I says, I don't notice it as much. I notice it when it's like seasons ago. Like Jojo, it seems like she might have gotten some work done.

But like, to me, I'm like, I'm not above that. If I saw myself on TV, you're like, like, here's the example I'll give. When I look in the mirror, I set up to look in the mirror. I don't look at myself in the mirror the way, like, other people see me. Like, I don't set up to, like, I don't, like, put my shoulders down and let my stomach hang out. I look in the mirror. I go, I make myself look as good as possible. Right.

So that I can live throughout the day with my own brain and my own insecurity. So if I looked at myself how other people saw me, I would go fucking insane. I mean, I would buy a skinny mirror. Like, I hate, like, you know, you guys know, certain mirrors. This is exactly my point. So you're on a, if you were on a TV show where you just are looking at yourself in the mirror without setting up to get in the mirror, you'd, you'd walk away going, I got to make some fucking changes. You know, like, I mean, like, and I'm kind of like, there's a piece of me that's jealous of that. There's a piece of me that feels lucky for not having that.

There's a difference between losing weight, which like, you know, if it's a healthy weight loss, whatever, then fine. And then there's the face that everyone thinks is the good hot face. Sure. And I feel, I personally feel like Caitlin Bristow, her season was five years ago. I thought she was so freaking cute on her season. I know. I know. Perfect little tiny face and she was so funny, quirky.

And I like her personality now too. But like it's something about the amount of work. I mean, she legitimately looks like a different person. I didn't. So how do you think it was? When she was on listening to your heart. Yeah. you, like, as a judge, I was like, wait, we're doing whose season?

Like, I, I didn't see. And then they showed like, yeah, I, I, I, but Nick, you know, like, I, I don't know. I think this, like, affects women a lot. Like, to me, like, I see it and I go, all right, that's the new, you know what I mean? Like, I, it would have, like, I, I, I think I'm like a lot of guys where it's like, it's either botched or it didn't happen. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, like, it's either you're, you're a person on botched. or everything else. That's bullshit, Jared. I feel like you'd notice if a girl came up to you and she had huge boobs that were plastic surgery

and you could tell her lips were filled galore. You'd notice that shit. You'd notice. Sure. Even if it was a nice job and it wasn't a botched job. What I'm saying about Jojo.

I would notice, but I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't be like, this is horrific. Right, right. You wouldn't care. I wouldn't be. You wouldn't care. Yeah, yeah.

But what I meant about your girl, Jojo, is like the work she did as opposed to Caitlin Bristow who looks completely changed is very subtle Yeah I agree And like you could tell Because I was like watching

The the little bit of last night And she was gorgeous then And she's gorgeous now But I was like A little tweakeroo here A little fil-a-ro here But you love Jojo Why do you love Jojo so fucking much?

I don't know why she came off more real than many others. Like, so what you're saying kind of adds to that. Like, you're right. I, so once I started talking about with my, my girlfriend, we were like talking about and she's like, she got a nose job. She bury out. And I go, yeah.

And then she showed me a picture like of her now versus that. And like, she's showing me. She's like, you need to know. And I'm like, okay. Like, easy. I get it. Um, I'm not blind. You know, so like I looked at it and I was like, like to me,

that's like that plays to her sensibility. Yeah. She's like, she didn't go and get a new face. Right. She was like, oh, do a touch up here and there. I'm in Hollywood, I'm on TV. Right. Like, they all get new teeth. Yeah. No matter who they are, they all get new teeth. Which like, did you see, did you see

the video of Ashley Graham, the model who and if you didn't go watch it after and if you guys didn't, then go find it? She broke a tooth on like a cookie. Okay. And, and then do they shave it down right so it looks like a little nub and a little nub my dad got new teeth

it is creepy it's it's weird and creepy and gross looking it's like and it's not just a nub it's like it's like it looks like like like what you would put into like the like the um the pumpkin you know it's just like really weird so you guys I good for her for posting it but it made me think because I always used to say the same thing as you. Like, they all get new teeth and blah, blah, but you never think about, like, the process that these people go through to look pretty. Like, I don't, I wouldn't want a fucking mouth full of nubs. That's weird.

It's legitimate hours in a dentist chair with the filing and the. And not everyone, like, needs it, but yet everyone does it. But I'm saying if I saw, but if I saw myself on TV every day, I don't know what that does to your brain. I really do believe, I empathize. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Because, like, again, like, most of the pictures I post are, like, either selfies that I, again, made my, you know, I'm not editing my photos, but like you said, like, I'll stand in a way that flatters me, obviously. And if, you know, my husband is taking a photo, I'll post the one I look the fucking best in.

So what you're saying makes sense, but I would hope for a world where we, you know, didn't have to alter. to feel better about ourselves. But I, I just know my insecurities that if I saw myself for six months on TV, that would stop me from eating a pint of ice cream at night. Like, but Jared, but that's what I'm saying. There's a difference between that and like them saying, I'm 23 and I shouldn't have like a line here when I talk. Well, your, your insecurities are your own. I can't tell someone how to feel like how I feel about me would be different than you feel about you. I don't know. I understand it. Okay, you're annoying. Now that you understand it, I'm sorry. I don't like you understanding things

all of a sudden. No, I, you know, I try my best. But Jojo I like because there were scenes last night that I had forgotten about. She was a, what I liked about Jojo, she was strong without telling me that she was strong. Yeah. Like she doesn't do the, I'm a strong, independent. No, no, no. But you could tell like she runs the relationship. And she's also you know, we talked about this and other times when we talked about what people are doing

after The Bachelor, like she, you know, they're like flipping home. She's like a has a very, she has a business brain. You know, she's not, you know, she does sponsorships and stuff,

but she's obviously like a go geter. Like she'll do what it takes. She knows she bought a beautiful house. She's redid, she has amazing taste and like everything that she does. Yes, yes. She's amazing.

And also you could tell why it actually made me think less of Ben Higgins. Like, after watching How'd you pick Lauren? Yeah, exactly. Well, because it shows you Ben's looking for someone that he could like dominate a little.

Yeah. Like you could tell Jojo is seemingly her own woman. And that's kind of what I liked about her. Is that like, you know, even that talk she has with Chase, she's like, or not Chase with, um, with Chad who was fucking crazy. Oh, we need to. Oh, I'm waiting to get to that. Reliving Chad was crazy.

But that conversation. he's like, well, she's like, you shouldn't threaten people with violence. And he's like, well, how else should I do it? And she's like, we speak to people. What are you talking about? Like, there wasn't like a moat. Like, she didn't like go like, I was a child who was bullied. Like, she didn't go that direction.

She went the direction of like, what? Talk to me like a real person. So that's why I. That's a good point. I had like a flashback to why I like her so much. Yeah, she's a real one. I noticed you said this in your screams, but I was thinking of before too. so the hair like Jordan's hair like what was that season how are we accepting of it and not

talking shit about it then I mean Jordan is cute though so like we have to give props to Jojo for being so cute but he's a key compliments her like he's he's in real life like really funny oh hold on hold on that whole season the men that season jojo had a hot group of Dude, like, we all look at, like, Tyler C and we're like, wow, Tyler C. That was a whole season of Tyler C. Who, well, I hate Robbie, so I can't think about him like that. You can, sure, but like, he's a specimen. You can admit to that.

Chase, Chase is hot. Chase is hot. Chase, but huge. These were all, like, big fucking dude. I remember you, we talked about this on one episode. And I don't remember, was it Nick Vial or Tyler? I don't remember who you were talking about. but you were like, when you meet these people,

they're like, Colton and Tyler C, they're like, they're Captain America coming out of the Captain America machine. I like go to their shoulder and I'm like, let me just touch your shoulder, man. Like what's going on? One time I met,

you know who I met and people don't like him, but I really do think he's great. The guy that people hate him, actually, the guy that went with Andy Dorfman. Juan Pablo? No. The other guy. Which of dark hair.

Oh, oh, you told me about this. Josh Murray. You are in a very small group of people. I stand Josh Murray because, whatever that means, because he was just very real with me, but I remember we did this interview. I did it for like hinge or something. And I was like, I was in a black t-shirt and he was a black t-shirt. And I go, look it.

We look like a before and after. And like he laughed. And I just thought it was funny, but he also was like, I don't want to insult you, buddy. Like, it's much worse than that. I was going to say the eyebrows. You guys are so same-sies. Dark hair, eyebrows, yeah.

So. But, oh, my God. So we need to talk about Chad. Yes, we saw last night, which weren't you shook, first of all, that, like, I feel like today, like, after his first violent thing, he would be kicked off. How was it like, there is going to be consequences? and then it's like, Chad, you know, we don't do shit like that. And then he's like still on the show punching walls, bleeding.

I mean, how wasn't he kicked off? I feel like he was so violent. Well, it shows you, it shows you, the batch of producers aren't heroes. Yeah. They're going to do whatever can get the best show. Like they, first of all, there's a guy that's like, hey, I just, Evan's like, hey, I just want to report, Chad's been violent with me. And then they all go and hide in the hot.

and then Chris Harrison has to like go, hey man, no more violence. And it's like, and then they put them together in like a standup comedy show. And it's like, no, then they throw them in the woods with that guy, Alex. And they're like, yeah, we told him not to be violent. Have fun in the woods. It's like, oh, my God. What's all, Evan. How did Joe, I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't know.

Evan. Evan, I remember, I remember Evan was such a character. Didn't he have kids before he came on the show? So he's had two more kids after doing that. With Carly from The Bachelor Who met him on Bachelor in Paradise And if you guys saw this season or not She was disgusted by him

To the point of vomiting She was like he's the most disgusting person In the world I could never think of kissing him Which like just shows you guys You have a chance They ended up falling in love They have two kids And they're really cute

The next time a guy slides in your DM for the 500th time that you don't answer? Blame it. Blame Carly. Because guys are inspired by the other story. Like, whoever watched that season knows, like he tried to kiss her and he put tongue.

And then it was like the spit, they zoomed in on it on Paradise. But back to Chad, because I might be a little late sometimes. But literally, I went to his page yesterday and found out he's a porn star. Yeah, he's a porn star. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a, you didn't know that before last night. No. Well, I think he got in trouble for some sort of, he was a real estate guy. And then he got in trouble for some sort of real estate infraction where he might have lost his license.

And he got this reputation from the show. He really played up the bad guy. I, I'll say this. I also know that he was like domestic abuse. Like, well, I don't get the end of that sentence. I don't know, but I, knowing that he also has like domestic abuse issues, which is not funny or not as bad as scary also, he was a great character on the show. Like, he spoke honestly in ways about the other men on the show that I've never seen before on reality TV. Like when he's in the other room and he's like, look at all these losers.

And then they just show them like playing guitar, like singing a song about Jojo. You're like, yeah, I'd be saying the same shit. I remember he did, I mean, which then I feel like gave him, now it's hard to look at him in any positive light. Not because of him being a porn star, but because of him being just like a really messed up person. But he said things like, no, I'm not in love with her. Like, how would I know? I'm just here for two days, which like you don't do on The Bachelor. Like all of you guys are liars and blah, blah, blah.

But so he hasn't only fans where he legit, like, fuck. on camera and yesterday he wanted to get back at Jojo and Jordan. Did you see that? He said I'd get back to him somehow, but I didn't see the, someone sent me the post, but I didn't really look at it. What was it? Okay. So he allegedly, because like I don't know that he was actually there, went and had sex outside of their house and filmed dead. So he's a deranged human being. Like I mean, that's what I'm saying. It is scary. That's how I found out because someone sent me that post of the...

It's like with like a white Hummer or something. Right. The white Hummer. It says real Chad Johnson. Right. I did get messages saying because, you know, people are more detectivy than I am. But saying, you know, that they're in Dallas and he's not in Dallas, which like I don't, I don't know where they live. But he says, like, I always said I would get back at him and now I'm going to fuck right in front of your house. and you'll always, like, know that I fucked right in front of your...

Just like, I mean, A, you're calling for a restraining order because, like, that would scare the shit out of me if I was Jojo and Jordan. And, I mean, the only fan's world is like a weird world. So whether it was produced or not, like, whether he, like, faked it that he was outside the house or not. It's a weird thing to fake to think that anyone would get off to that or, like, agree with them.

like you got them buddy like to the idea that anyone would be like wow you there you showed them like like in what world do you live in like in what 13 year old world do you live in that like fucking outside their house like matters to them at all

the only fans thing that is like a world that like is now trying to become mainstream like they've tried to get podcasters to do part of their show on only fans and not but I just know it as like you pay it's like a porno

Aaron Carter is on there I think of like Aaron Carter like because I know well it's weird because like there used to be the surreal house on VH1 remember that show no they had like a celebrity they'd have all these like whacked out celebrities live in a house together that was the old VH1 show okay and it made sense because you're like it's VH1 okay, that's how Flavor Flav like made a comeback He was in the surreal house It's Flava Flav Gerard Flava. Flava, I'm sorry

But I'm saying like that show existed During a certain time It's weird that like that show now exists Individually online Like if you want to watch a whacked out Former Celebrity or former reality show person You just go to their page And like pay $5 I guess

Like it's like kind of weird I mean, it looks like he's on well. He's had a lot of drama in the media. And you know what I notice is like so thirsty and gross and more derange? In every post that he posts, which is like an only fan's promo kind of like go sign up and he has like a hat on his penis or something, he tags like all the outlets. Like he's tagging entertainment tonight. Like he wants to get press and he wants to get so it's like, I mean, he obviously has issues. shoes, and he, he's, he freaks me out. I'll be honest. He freaks me out.

What I also, what I think about with that is like, what's the long play? You know, like, like, what are your, where do you see yourself in five years? Well, I'm just saying this is like, like, like, when someone becomes like a model, I'm like, okay, you're going to get older. So they're like, oh, I'll go to catalog and I'll go to LLB and I'll be the dad riding the bikes. with the jacket. Like, for him, I'm like,

what's the, like he, he, because I sit up at night. Like, during the, you know, quarantine,

I'm telling you about, like losing standup for a while. Like, I go down that row where I'm like, what am I doing? You know, what,

who's going to come to a show, you know, whatever. I can't yell at the bachelor forever. Like, I'm thinking I can't yell at the bachelor forever. Like, isn't Chad Johnson thinking that?

Like, I don't think he is, babe. That's the thing. I don't think he is. I want to ask you about other bachelor's stuff because there is so much, like, to talk about. We, a few weeks ago, got the notice

that Matt James is going to be the bachelor. Now, I don't remember at what time we recorded and if I conveyed to you my hate for Tyler C, but... Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, I hated him. You're like very... You have a very small group of people that are... That you don't hate.

I feel like he... Well, I feel like he... Well, I feel like he... Well, I feel like he's... Well, I feel like he's... like he's beloved, no? Yes, he's beloved. Listen, once you start spewing the hate,

you attract people that, like, hate him to. The hate will find you. But, no, I'll tell you what. My thing with him quickly was that him on the show to me, and I take this stuff very seriously, as you know, wasn't him IRR. Like, I feel like him on the show with Hannah. And see, I'm having flashbacks to our episode about one of our first

episodes together. You were like, you were really funny about it. You said that everyone was like, how amazing is he for not, for accepting the fact that if you guys remember on the show, like Hannah, for some weird reason, decide not to have sex with Tyler on the fantasy suite. And you were sick. When I told you, I think that I don't like him. You were like, it's so weird. Everyone thinks he's a god because he like accepted her no for not having sex. Yeah, yeah. He's now a feminist icon. Because he was like, all right. He didn't force a woman to have sex with him. He was like, okay.

Like, what was he? Yeah, there was no other. I consider Tyler C. A very good looking guy who got very lucky. Yeah, that's what you said. With how the storyline worked out for him. Like, like if, listen, if someone had a camera on me and a woman said, I really like you, but I don't want to invite you upstairs because I really think that sexually we, I, I am

assuming will be okay. And I went, no problem. Like I, like, am I now, like, am I now leading the feminist marches? Like, am I now walking on Washington? You know what I mean? And that's kind of, but, but sometimes people just get lucky. No problem. I, you know, okay, I'll go home and masturbate. Like, he just, he literally, he wasn't, he didn't make a spiel about like Hannah. No, he just, he legit was just like, okay. and then so but which is nice but if that's the bar for men so Jared we have we have a bar problem and I'll tell you when I also notice this is like yes that's the bar and then I think what Tyler what happened was he was so hot but then was like kind of nice and people are like Amanda the whole

Amanda the whole goal of being a man on the bachelor is you have to never dump anyone and never get done and you have to get dumped without dumping anyone so that's that person on the bachelor always gets carried out by the women because it's an unreality it's a it's a it's that he was the hurt one the fantasy is that this hot guy wanted to commit and he couldn't because the woman didn't want to commit to him right which is like an actual fantasy that's why they say like, you know, this is a really hard thing to say and I don't mean this to like, but this is like might sound bad to people, but men whose wives pass away are like very coveted men. Yeah. Because there's this idea of like they did commit and they wanted to be. They never like

you know, like if your wife passes away before your kids, you know, graduate high school, there's a God forbid, but then there's no 18 year old empty nest year. where you go, hey, do we still like each other? Yeah. And now you're not the bad guy. You're never the bad guy. So Tyler was never the bad guy. And also he got dumped for Jed.

I mean, he got dumped for Jed. And then we find out that Peter is also lame. So we're like, wow, like the hottest guy ever was like, you know, not chosen. Sometimes you win the race because there was a crash at the front of the race or whatever. So I think Tyler legitimately like walked across the rubble of a fucking car wreck to the finish line to be the winner because then because then Hannah Hannaby dumps him ends up with fucking Jed gets Jed is basically considered a cheater. Then Peter walks along and somehow they're still talking and now Tyler C hot Tyler C who'd never done wrong who can't find the love of his life. they're like, they get a picture of him leaving Gigi Hadid's place, the societally number one hottest woman in America.

What's the fucking. And no one expects him to be to be with her. Everyone's just like, no, he's got to, no, he's got to be single for a while. Like, like, and also he ends up going over to Hannah B's house after all breaks up. And they get a picture of him leaving in the morning and it's okay because. you know, I wouldn't want to be with someone who dumped me. Get one fucking. Like he, this guy made a deal with the devil because, because then I met him, Tyler C.

is very nice. A mensch. Couldn't have been better, but he's a model. He's like, you know, he's a nice guy. Like we had a good conversation, but it wasn't like he was the funniest guy in the world. He was just a beautiful man who was very nice. And now he now he lives in this. world where we see him a certain way.

Yeah. It's Josh Murray. Josh Murray is seen a certain way because of how the camera saw him. Like, Josh Murray, to me, is not a worse person than Tyler's sake. Like, it's just the situation you were put in and the decisions you were made while cameras follow you. Right? Yeah.

Like, I'm not saying that. And it goes back to the low expectations for men because. It's like, like you said, did he crack jokes? Like, did he, did he, you know, read books out loud to Hannah? I mean, what was the, like, wow, he's amazing. Aside from the fact that he's fucking hot, that he was hurt. And, like you said, there's that thing. And that he accepted a no, which is really great.

And then you're like, shit. Like, and my example for this, for my life is... for my non-dating sexual life, but podcast life is I mostly have women on, you know what I mean? Because in my mind, if you're not a comedian like yourself or someone that is in that world,

like, I don't want just like a hot dude, like being like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I know how dudes are. Like,

I want you to talk and I want, so I wasn't thinking of having, like, I watched Summerhouse and I cover it. I wasn't even thinking of having Luke Gull Bronson on who's, do you know who he is? He's really hot. He's on Summer House on Bravo.

And then... I know Carl. Oh, Carl. Yeah. Not Carl. This is a hot edition from last season. And then Hannah Burner, who is a friend of mine, and she's on Summer House, was like,

you should have Luke. I know, Han. She was like, you should have Luke. And I was like, does he talk? And she's like, yeah, he's going to talk. He really wants to, like, talk. And listen, I had Luke on. And he's nice.

And he did talk. And he surprised me with that. But the responses I got about this podcast, it blew up, I think, at that point, like, more than any podcast. Oh, people were happy about it? That's what I'm saying. Like, he's a hot guy, like very hot, like universally hot, I would say, who is kind of nice, kind of talks more than a regular hot guy. And then women are like, oh, my God. You know, like taking up there.

So it's such a, that opened my eyes. I was like, I have on, you know, incredible women that are funny, that are this, that are that, that are celebrities that have millions of followers, you know, and, and, and, you know, those episodes do well, too. But this was like a, I was like shocked at how many people wanted to hear what he has to say, wanted to, to praise him just for being a decent guy.

Just for being base level. Human. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, well, it's a, it's a frustrating reality of life. Yeah. Like, good looking people generally, like, get some sort of credibility that maybe they didn't earn or anything like that. Like, I hear what you're saying. It's like when you see girls on Instagram that have, you know, 10 million followers and you're like, wait, but they're just showing their, the pictures of them in bikinis. Like, why? Yeah. And, and, and they're not going to call themselves soft. porn stars, you know, like, they're not going to like, you know, they can't tell mom and dad and Grampy and grandma, yeah, what do I do? A bunch of men follow me on Instagram and I call myself a fitness star. Like, I understand they have to play that game too. So yeah, I mean, like, that's frustrating. Like, believe me, like stand up every, you know, every few years, someone will be like, well, I'm a stand up now. And it's like, yeah, because they, they're just,

somebody that was on a reality show or somebody that, you know, was kind of hot, you know, like, and you're like, okay. Unfortunately, like, I don't want to take too much of your time and, and we're, we're such blabber mouths and there was a couple more bachelor things I want to get to, but I was going to say, I was going to ask you about that. We got to do this again. I know, and we will. You're welcome to come back anytime and I love you coming on, but I was going to ask you

before because I, like, personally it interests me, but I did notice, like, the world of standup became so like like I mean all the worlds are like becoming mixed right if you were once on the bachelor no one cared about Tristan Ryan you know they weren't celebs like whatever and now you're on the bachelor and you're a celebrity like you said Tyler C dated Gigi Hadid like you're in the world like Peter Weber was hanging out with like Kylie Jenner I mean not that that went anywhere so it does feel like while it could be amazing for us and for a lot of industries that worlds are colliding and like you have access to people you didn't have before and like all this shit. It does feel that way with stand up a little bit too that like, you know, let's say

podcasting and live shows kind of like swam into standup. Well, there's like, this happens with standup all the time because it's, uh, the venues are like 300 people. So like if you have an audience and also you can make money. Right. You know, so like, you know, if you can sell tickets the places that have 300 seats are going to go we'll have any right like the businesses are not above you know there's some comedy clubs that you know that you have to like audition for and get past for and like like if there's some places if you bring an audience like whatever you if you if you have 300 people that will buy tickets there's some comedy clubs will let anybody right right so but i you know i need those comedy clubs to stay open so right when i come

and I don't start to re-under-dicking. So it's one of those things that's like, again, it's hot people, you know, getting more responses. These are the realities of life. You are very hot, Jared, and that's not my point. But I always felt like it's hard to be like a hot girl and do stand-up. Oh, my God.

To be any woman doing stand-up, it's a hard life. I don't think, I think women have to deal with a totally different, any comic that would tell you, that a woman's life is as the same as theirs on the road. That's the thing. Like, I want to be a stand-up comedian for my whole life. So, like, I want to be on the road every weekend. I want to be, I want to be honing an act together.

A lot of these people that, like, dip in. Yeah. They're, like, dipping in. Like, I, they'll be out. They don't want the life stuff. Yeah. When you talk about, like, an Amy Schumer, Michelle Wolfe, you talk about, like, touring, like, like, female comics.

like they go up and tell jokes and then like you're dealing with like you know like a lot of shit that I would like what I wear on stage unless I go crazy like it doesn't really matter a woman gets judged on a whole different level like if you're telling sex jokes like like I like if you tell any sort of sex jokes men are animals that like think that because you're joking about sex now you'll talk to them about sex like that's a that's an unfair fair reality. It's kind of gross. Like my,

what I deal with off stage is like, like I open for Michelle Wolf whenever our schedules work out. And like she has a great audience and they're very like educated and they're very like whatever. But like the idea of like her like I come out and if I do a headline show, I come out and like shake hands and do like pictures with people. I can't blame her for not doing that. You know, like I had one time a guy came out to me. and like we took a picture together

and I did a and he just farted into my leg. Like he legitimately came over. No, he, I was opening for someone else. Yeah. And he goes, get in the picture. He was really drunk. And I get in the picture and he just takes his butthole

and he puts it on my thigh. And I felt the fart shoot into my thigh. No, I can't. No, stop. I swear to God. And I go, I go, dude, do you? And I go, dude, did you just fucking fart on me? And he was drunk and he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought it would be funny.

And then I was like, dude, what the fuck, man? I could, I would imagine you would get much more pissed about that, Jared. I can't believe you were like not, didn't, I feel like you, you, you have a temper. Not really. No, I just go, someone farts on you? I didn't even know how to react. I, I, please don't, please don't blame the victim here. I, I, I, I, but I, I honestly was so like, like, flunked.

I was like, did you just fart my leg? And he starts laughing. And I go, dude, like, what the fuck, man? He goes, no, no, it's funny. It's funny, man. And it's like, and it's like, and I go, okay. And we took the picture like in his farce. It's, it's stunk.

It was like so, I felt bad. I felt taking advantage of. But I'm saying, like, I'm, this guy heard me maybe do a joke about a fart and thought it was okay. like, oh, we're on the same level. That, that to me from a female comic point of view is a much more dangerous story. It's a funny story when we talk about it.

Right. And I'm not saying, I'm not saying that they can't handle it. I'm just saying it's a different territory. I wanted to ask you before, before we go, there was one, like I said, like there was so much more bachelor's stuff, but we'll get to it another time. Dean Hottie, which I think he's so hot. And Kaelin, you posted some funny shit about them. I ship and stand them.

You like them together a lot because, I mean, it's another kind of fantasy story. Like Dean, this hot guy who's from a broken home who obviously, I mean, we talked about this on one of our other episodes, which I'm, I plugged so much. But it's honestly because they're so good so you guys should listen to past episodes we've done together. but Dean went on Rachel's season. I remember us talking about how weird that was because, like, he was obviously a child. He obviously did not. I mean, it's one of those examples we talk about.

It's like, you didn't go on the bat. Like, you could find love. Well, you kind of like feel bad for Rachel because you're like, this wasn't he, you're down to 29. Like, you know, like, and he's hot, so you're going to keep him around. Yeah, he was kept around.

He got to hometowns. We met his, we met his dad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. The whole story. I just remember, like, this always happens to The Bachelorette where they don't even, like, bring on people who are, like, serious suitors. Yeah. And Claire's kind of dealing with that where you hear about, like, yeah, they have a 24-year-old on her season. It's like, don't do that.

But I like that she was outspoken, which a lot of people are thinking, she was maybe insinuating. It was Matt James before he was chosen, where she was like, if you're doing cameos, you know, before. she said this in a tweet she was like before we even start filming then like you're out and this was when Matt James was supposed to be on her season then he was announced as a bachelor I actually am such a fucking

flight head I didn't even you didn't even tell me what you think about him becoming the bachelor he seems great don't you think I I've kind of what I was going to say I hated him for being in relation with Tyler C when I was really hating on Tyler C

because I was following Tyler C then and he was really trying to make them as like a unit happen. Like, I remember he was trying to get their apartment, like, free, freely furnished. It was like, Miler, he was calling them. He was like, Miler are moving. And we need furniture.

Hashtag, sponsor me. Hashtag. And it was just so thirsty. And they were. So because of Tyler sees thirst and my distaste for him, I was like anti-Mad James. And then hearing him that he was going on Clarit's season, I was like, well, duh, the thirst continues. It was like, blah, blah, blah.

Then he was announced his bachelor as the first black bachelor, I believe. And I obviously support that, but I'm not going to take back the fact that I said I don't like him as a person. But then... Now you're stuck in this position. No. But then I was like, wait, why didn't they take Mike, Mike Johnson? But then, wait, I'm telling you my whole journey. Okay, okay.

Then I was like, because Mike's fucking boring. And then I realized and I came full circle. he's nodding. Then it came full circle to me that I was like, because I watched an interview that Matt James did for like entertainment tonight

or something. And obviously Tyler was like fucking there or whatever, which I'm sure you guys were gonna see the whole season. Tyler popping in. Tyler in the van. He gives him credibility

before he comes on the air. Because he's not a former contestant that we know. It's like Tyler C. Tyler C becomes, yeah, yeah. Just remember you like this guy.

He likes this guy. view will like him too. And it's going to be the whole season. Like, you know, he's going to be in the van with like an earpiece telling him what to say on a date and like doing all this like weird shit. But then he did the interview and A, he wasn't wearing pants and I was like, listen, someone who doesn't wear pants is my kind of person. And then I realized.

If he took him off mid interview, then he's really on brand for me. And then I was like, damn, he has a person. Like he had, he's obviously like silly him and Tyler and the. quarantine crew. He would do shit with Hannaby. So I was like, listen, if my thing was like, why not Mike if we're trying to, you know, bring a black bachelor? And Mike was kind of in the running for the bachelor anyway. But then I realize that I'm, that I probably am going to, in Hebrew, there's a saying saying, eat your hat. Which means, there you go. That's, that's growth. That's growth. Like you're going to realize that you're, so, so A, my, my distaste for Tyler C.

down obviously because his face everywhere went down. So I wasn't like, now he's at another, you know, fashion show. And by some point, I don't know if this was with you, but I started psychoanalyzing myself and I was like, do I want to be Tyler C? Like, what is this coming out of me? Like, do I want his life? Like, am I jealous of Ty. Because with women, that's what I do. If I'm like, oh, I hate so and so, I try to like understand with myself, like, are you jealous of her? Like, would you want to be her? You know, and with guys, it's different, obviously. So I had to really do some digging with that.

Well, I think what you did is more self-analization than 99% of the Bachelor audience. Because I think it's very interesting what you're saying because you do have to take a step back and go, hmm, what are my preconceived notions? What are my things? And I think both of us probably have the same thing against Tyler C where we're like, and I don't even not like him. I like Tyler C. But I'm saying both of us are kind of put off by the idea of someone getting easy credibility. Right, right.

And the idea that he is some sort of hero for doing the basic, decent human thing. So I think I'm on board with that. And that can be annoying. Like I'm excited for Matt James. I'm excited for him to be The bachelor. I think a black bachelor, like the idea that this show hasn't been problematic. That's crazy. Yeah.

For 15 years, you do the first five seasons with all white people. Okay, fine. It's a little weird. Yeah. You do 40 seasons. That was the one thing. Everyone started passing around this petition where it was like 40 season, one person of color. And it's like, you were a part of this.

Yeah. You, the audience. Like, it's, like, it's, it's just. interesting to me that the audience... Now our eyes are more open. The audience is complicit in that. Right, but I think our eyes, and I've admitted that about myself, I said, you guys, listen, I watch

Bravo. I don't watch all of Bravo. Like, if I was watching every single Real Housewives, then I'd be a little harsh around myself. But I said, like, listen, I haven't watched Atlanta. I haven't watched Potomac. They're mainly have black cast members. Like, I do want to make a more of a conscious effort to pay

attention to what kind of content I'm consuming and make more of an effort to watch shows that feature a cast that is an only white. I never realized I was watching Vanderpump and they're all, like sometimes you don't. Sure. So we had a mirror during this time to realize shit that we didn't realize. I have empathy for that. And I agree with that.

I'm guilty of that myself. But it was so interesting to me to watch the audience be like, we want a black bachelor. And then they go, here you go. Matt James. And everyone's like, what about the one black guy we know? I might have been that person. And it's like, isn't that a little racist? Like, isn't that?

Wait, okay. But I did that. And it's just so funny to me. Like, that's why, oh, that's why you were saying that I, that I did the thing. It's so nice that you did the thing where you look at work. I was that person. I was like, why not Mike? And my post did get a lot of support.

But I, but I understand that. But it felt like a group of people who were trying to do the. They, people are used to. them taking someone only from the franchise. Sure, sure. No, no, no. I have empathy for why it happens. I'm just saying also what's happening

is a lot of people of who feel guilty trying to point the finger first so that they're not on the bad team. Right. So they're going, you know, oh, you know, hey, Bachelor, you haven't had a Black Bachelor. It's like, you assholes. And it's like, yeah, but you were watching the whole fucking time.

So like, you know, they're pointing. the finger trying to blame the producers. There's a lot of hypocrisy going on during this time and we can, I'm sure we could do a whole fucking episode about that because as much as this time of the BLM movement and everything has been eye-opening, has been progressive, has changed shit. I've seen, I've seen shit change just because of, you know, social media and whatever, but there's also been a lot of hypocrisy, like what you're saying with, you know, networks, with brands, everyone trying to be woker than the other person, like,

The word woke, canceling people. I mean, it's a whole other thing. I mean, I only bring that up not to, like, blame people or blame me. I'm just saying it's like, it's all interesting to me. I'm like, I watch, I'm like, like, when I'm not a, whenever they choose a bachelor lead, I'm never offended by it. Oh, I was going to say, I always hate it. I, were you excited about Hannah?

I was never excited about Hannah. I was like, I was like, she can't even talk. I was like, she can't even. I remember Chris introduced her at the final rose. And I remember she was like, I, where do I stand? And I was like, she doesn't even know how to talk. So I'm not sure how she's going to carry us either.

I hate first and then I like you. So that is all races and all people. I first will be like, no. And then I'm like, maybe. I will say this. I asked a friend who like met Matt James once and they're like, this guy is all energy, all fun, great guy. And I'm like, great.

Sounds awesome. Can't work. You know, like, and, and, and I love when they have an energetic bachelor because that puts, like, you, you just don't want like a, a dud in the league, a Ben, a Ben. But people loved Ben. People loved Ben. But, like, Peter's kind of a dud, like, you know, I, you know, so I'm excited. And what you said about Mike Johnson, like, I did a thing with him online and he talked about God all the time.

And I was like, I don't know if I want to watch a show where I have to hear about God every five minutes. So, like, I'm happy they made a fun choice and we'll see. My stick with Mike that I didn't like, and I remember this after I was like, why not Mike? Yeah. was that he, I remember I got pissed that he would have the same shtick with every date. And it was very much like I grew up with my mom and my sister, like the, and women in my life. And I just felt like it was like a story that he was using on every woman.

And I remember not liking that. Yeah. And feeling like it was a little fake. So what are you more excited for, Claire's season or Mike's season? I'm excited for Claire's season just because it's such a disaster. already. Yeah. Like, wait, did you see reality Steve said that it's, I don't know if it's been confirmed,

but it's pretty much. A contained bachelor. It's going to be like the writs of something. Like they're going to be. It's going to be like big brother. Legit. I mean, it might be good for us. Like, I don't care if you're in fucking Iceland.

I don't give a shit where you're riding a horse. Yeah, that's stuff to make fun of. And like, it always ends up, I mean, speaking of race issues, they always end up dressing up the contestants as the place they went to and it's always problematic it's always weird you're like what am I watching why are they dressed that way

and it's like why was this necessary yeah and so like we lose out on like the awkwardness of other countries but like I'm sure they're gonna find ways they'll have a slip and slide in the house and they'll be doing weird shit I just love I love the show I love the way they put it together

I think it's one of the best edited shows on TV it'll be fine So we'll be fine. It'll be fun. It'll be fun. And also, like, I mean, I've made fun of this a lot and the feedback I get. People are starting to get angry at me because I, every time they ask for people to, like, submit, I always make fun of the fact that they're still asking for people to submit for Claire's season.

And I try to be like, oh, come on, please. Claire, she's an older woman, but she'll be okay. And it's like, I'm always joking. Like, she's 39. Yeah. And she looks great. Yeah. Like, but it is funny to me that there's.

still casting. She's young, because I think there was a problem. A, they can't. I remember I was so upset about them casting so many young people that I went through when they announced and I might have even added them up and done an average. I was so angry and petty that day. But I was literally like, 23, 24, 31, great, 22. So I think they definitely need to make sure they're eveninging out.

And it could be also that they want even more diversity now, you know, and, and, and so shit's changing. I like any version of, like, you know, making this show fun and changing it out. Yeah. It needs, you know, there's certain seasons that need an injection of something different. Yeah. And, you know, maybe the Claire season will watch them go, man, that was so much more fun that they lived, like, a doorway away from each other. Like, it was, you know, like, like, they were in the same, you know, dorm room.

Like, that's kind of cool. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. So you guys, follow Jared Freed. on Instagram. Thank you. Go to his shows. Next show is in Maryland.

I'm going to be in Baltimore, Maryland. 716 to the 18th. Baltimore. July 17th, 16th to the 18th. I'll be there. Three shows. Three nights. Three nights.

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