Not Skinny But Not Fat - Bachelorette, Paradise, & Stagecoach w/ Blake Horstmann

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

Thank god there was no Stagecoach this year ! Blake Horstmann from Becca Kufrin's season of The Bachelorette (and from that wild season of Bachelor in Paradise) joins me in talking about the current season of The Bachelorette as well as about his time on The Bachelorette, being the runner up, and about the whole process (hint: it's wild!). This was MAJOR. He tells me a NEVER BEFORE SHARED moment with Becca, and where their relationship stands now! We discuss coming on the show for fame- are the dudes coming for Instagram followers as well? We obvi go down Stagecoach memory lane and hear his side of the story. See how it goes down when I admit to have called him a playa playa ! Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat. Okay, you guys, I'm with. with Blake H. A.k.a. Blake H. A.k.a. It's German.

That's German. No, because I'm Hirsch, and it's German and Jewish. So that's why it's like, like, it's like, horseman. It's like... Yeah, exactly. Horsman. Yeah. Exactly. It's like, yeah, very strong. I was talking to Blake about

how I'm secretly happy that we're both in cold places. Yes. Holiday season. I've got a white Christmas. Unlike most of, like, bachelor nation people, they all moved to L.A. Like the second their seasons are over. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Like everyone moved to LA. I think me, I stayed home. Jason, well, Jason moved to Nashville, I guess. But everybody else for my season pretty much went right over to LA. And how do you explain that you didn't? I don't know. You know, I just never.

So I worked actually for eight months after I got off the show. I still worked for cooers. I was selling beer, like, right after the show for eight more months after that. So I didn't hop on the L.A. And then I was like, I don't know. I love to hear my family's here. And honestly, if people want you in L.A. bad enough, like they'll fly you out.

And it's a quick flight to L. It's like two hours, you know? That makes me like you more, honestly. No, because like everyone, you know, you watch the seasons and I try to watch it not cynically. You know, I want to believe in love. And like, it's really hard. As the seasons progress, it gets a little hard to not be cynical. But then it's like, you know, Colton season, we see Maddie and Hannah Ann, the two finalists.

The day after they're like in, they're like crying. And then they're like, just got my new apartment. It was like mid-pandemic. I was like, what is going on? So the fact that you didn't try to capitalize on it even more and say, okay, L.A. is where it's at if I want to be like an entertainment, like, do you not want to be in entertainment? It's not even that really. So actually, so I'm close friends with Ben Higgins and he still lives here in Denver.

And he sat down, you know, we chat a lot because there was moments where I was like, should I, because everybody's in your ear doing like, go to L.A. Like, this is your time. Strike weather iron's hot, you know? Like you have those people in your ear. And I said out with Ben. he's like, man, honestly, like, those, like that, I feel like you get burned out quicker out in L.A. He's like, Denver's a nice escape. He's like, I'll always have my place here. And I own this

place. So I bought this place about four years ago. So I'm like, you know, I'm just going to stay here. And if I want to go to L.A. for gigs, whatever, I can do that, you know? So, people will fly out. Yeah. And like, now with Corona times, like, it's so wild to think about how I'm just thinking like a year ago, if I wanted someone on my podcast, I had to wait till they're in New York. You know what I mean? And now it's like, even if they're here, I'm like, um, talk to you on Zoom. I actually like doing them on Zoom now more than in, like in person, to be completely honest. I enjoy the podcast. Like, I can't believe I had, you know, I had, you know, Aaron Foster.

She's, she's, I don't know if you know her. She's great. She's like a actress writer. And I remember I was like, oh, let me know when you're in New York. Let me know. And I didn't have her on the podcast until she was physically here, could physically like be in my apartment, like, and now we're in these times where like you were saying, like, you can be in. in Denver do most of the stuff that you would do in LA. Honestly. And even so I was doing a lot of college appearances beginning of the year and like the end of last year. Just doing like Q&A's. What is that like? What do you do? It's pretty crazy. Like you go and you do like an hour meet and green and a hour Q&A and they'll fly out, put you up, pay you a pretty good amount. And it was fun because I actually got to go to a lot of these college campuses that I'd never been to. Like some of these huge

campuses. Tell me like what kind of. Let's say I went to Florida State, Iowa State, Ohio. You talk about The Bachelor? Yeah, it's just a Q&A. And like four, five, six hundred women show up. It's pretty crazy on these big colleges. Oh, it's all women. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. But so I was bonned because I got booked a bunch virtually, which is still great.

Like, I can sit here and make the, you know, not the same money. Half the money I would, but I don't have to travel. But I didn't get to go to a lot of camps. Like, I did Penn State. Oh, my God. Did you not go out partying after with like all the 600 girls? I would occasionally hit like a club because everybody is always, where are you going? I'm like, okay, there's one bar that you had me go to on camp.

It's like, where would you go? And I'd go out after for a bit. By yourself? Like, you would go to these colleges by yourself? Yeah. Yeah, I would. I'd go to my colleges by yourself. And then I'd have like a contact there who would like go around with me, you know? That is wild. I never heard about bachelor people doing that. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. And like it's somebody's... But who pays you? Like a head of a sorority? Like what? Oh, it's like a sorority or something? Sometimes I'll get like a sorority. But most time it's just like a student union, like a student campus. Yeah. They just, because you know, they have a budget for that kind of stuff. They'll bring in YouTubers. They'll bring in like low-key. like rappers, you know, and like musicians,

and then they'll bring in bachelor people. Yeah. So you're originally from Denver. So I grew up in the mountains, actually. Small town, Bailey. So it's right outside of Denver. Only an hour outside of Denver. I should remember from your hometowns. Yeah, the mountain. We were, it was blizzarding during my hometowns. Blizziting. That is really a vibe, like, I have to tell you. I'm like really, I'm impressed with you. No, because it is true.

Everyone moves to L.A. and it kind of, for some reason for me, like, just hurts the credibility a little bit. of the thing. Like, of course, capitalize on everything, do what you want to do, but it just a little bit is like, hmm, everyone, like, no one can live anywhere else. But you're right, people do it. Caitlin and, um, yeah, Jason and Jason live in Nashville.

Even though, didn't Nashville become like a mini? Yeah, totally. Well, Nashville's amazing city. Yeah. I mean, Denver honestly actually kind of is a big hub too. There's a few of us here. But I mean, Nashville, I would say Nashville and L.A. The biggest.

New York, kind of. There's a few in New York, too. but Nashville and L.A. I think are the biggest, like, hubs, if you will. Yeah, I think, are you looking to find someone, like, in the area, like, for dating? I mean, that'd be ideal. Right. It would be ideal. I've done the long distance so many times, and it's just so hard. I don't, like, hate it. Like, I kind of like being able to, like, have your own space.

And then when you're together, you're, like, soaking in every moment. You know, you're doing all these exciting things. But it's hard to do long distance. It is. Like, I need to know how you got on the Bachelorette. Yeah. So I actually got nominated. did. So my mom and sister had been fans of the show forever, and they've been wanting me to get on the show, go on the show, going on the show. I was like, no, that's stupid. You always talk so much shit. Like, that's the stupidest show. All those guys are dumb, you know? And then I went through a really rough breakup about six months before I started going through the casting process. And I finally just texted

my mom and sister. I felt like it was the right time of my life. You know, like I didn't hate my job. I liked it. I didn't love it. You know, I was just treading water. The beer place? Coors? Yep. Cours. I was selling beer for Coors. Yeah. Which is like a fun gig, fun industry, but I wasn't in love with it. And then, so finally, you know, I texted my mom. And I was like, you know what? Do it. I was like, mom, Tori, my sister. I was like, go ahead, nominate me. And literally within 24 hours, I got a phone call from a casting. So, so how does it work? When someone, like, applies for you or nominates you, do that you then have to, like, they give, like, your height, your, your pictures, like, whatever. And then you have to,

what, like, answer a bunch of personal questions? Yeah, I'll run you through it. So my, actually, I was one of the ones who, for six months. Like, I, I, I, I, I, was one of, some people get cast like, you know, two weeks before the show. I was six months before the show. So I got my first call in October and then I was on after the final row was in March. And I got first call and it's literally my parents just, yeah, my mom just filled out like a one page questionnaire and blah, blah, and then they were like, you know, talked to me for 15 minutes. They're like, oh, you seem normal enough. We're going to shoot you out a like a packet of questions. And it was like, 300 questions. It was insane. It was like, they want my landlord.

They want like my R.A. in college, like my roommates. Yeah. Part of me is just like to see if we do it. Like, I think part of it was just, like, yeah. Yeah. So I did that. Then I sent some Instagram photos. Then I took professional photos, which was my mom in my backyard with an iPhone. You know, like, snap in photos. Wait, do they ask for that? They ask for professional photos. Oh my God. So you really have to like put in the work. Yeah. Then I flew out to L.A. And I did a quick little interview on camera interview. And I had a really good feeling about it. I could tell like they were into it. And then you get invited out for the finals weekend and that's when shit gets crazy. There's like 40 of you like isolated in a hotel room for

like, well, in a hotel. Oh, is that like when some people don't make it on? No, that's, they'll still, like that's, I think there's 50 people. It was about 50 people they get in and you make the finals weekend. And that's where it gets intense. You like, they fly you out, they pick you up in like a nice car and they'd bring you to the hotel and logistically, it's crazy because they don't want all the contestants to see each other. So like, they didn't want us to see each other. So they had us on different floors and all the handlers and producers were like, hey, I've got, you know, I think my number was like 17. Like, I got 17 going up to floor four and they would like make sure. So it's pretty intense. It gets super intense. That's what else. And do all those people get on the show?

No. I think probably only about 35. And so how do they decide? Like what happens? Like mud, like what happens? So it's, yeah, it's wild. So I mean, obviously you go and you're there for 48 hours and they do everything. You do psych tests. You sit down with a psychologist. You answer 300 questions, psych tests, blood tests, STD tests, like a whole nine. Yeah, you sit down with the doctor. And then you do interviews. And then you sit down and you sit in a room and they fire questions at you. And you just kind of like wing it. You know, you just kind of be yourself and answer the question. So did you have your phone with you? No, no, no. They took everything. It show. It's just like a show. They took your phone. There's no. Tvys in the room. Oh, no. There were TVs in the room. There were TVs in.

But you're by yourself. Like you don't have a roommate. No, no, no. Yeah. And I was there for about 48 hours roughly. That is wild. Yeah, that's what I realized. I was like, damn, this is no joke. So you guys, again, I have to be cynical for two seconds. I love your honesty because you're saying they nominated me, but I was down. I filled out the shit. I went to the thing. So, but when like, I don't know, Zach C, who I think he's a real one, like I'm into him, but he was like my sister. But at the end of the day, you have to do the work if you want to be on the show. Even if you're good looking, they saw your Instagram photos, you have abs. You're super tall, you're cute, you still have to do all the shit to get on the show.

Well, imagine, I mean, I imagine they have all, everybody, you know, it's kind of one of those things where I played like college football, but it was like, I was a star in high school, but then I got to college and I was like, you know, fucking just another guy. Like, I wasn't that cool. So, and I think that's how it is when you get to the finals. Like, every guy's good looking. Every guy's tall, you know, and so then they weed out. Then they actually like ask you questions and they throw some weird questions at you.

They do a lot of impromptu things to see how you react under pressure. One of my favorite thing. And I remember all of us guys were sitting in the house. We were like, what did they ask you? What did they ask you? And they asked me a pretty funny one. So they were like, I feel like I'm, how about I'm getting trouble for this?

I won't. But they were like... Are you still under contract? How does that work? No, I'm not under contract. But like, technically, you know, they get kind of upset. But this isn't, it's not like to ask these questions about everybody to everybody. But they were like, who in this room?

So I'm sitting down. There's like 30, 40 producers in there. It's super intense. You know, it's like, it's pretty pressure pack. And they're like, who in this room would you... Okay, no, they're like, if you're on a deserted island and you're with a friend and that friend dies, would you eat that friend to stay alive? And I was like, yeah, I would. Like, I would.

If I came down to it, I'd eat my friend to stay alive. He was already dead. And they're like, okay. They're like, who in this room would you eat to stay alive? I was like, that guy. And it was like this tiny little redhead guy. And they were like, okay, come up to the front. And he came up to the front.

He laid down in front of me and they were like, what do you think he'd taste like? I was like, tender, gingery, you know, like kind of be funny. And then they were laughing or would you like? Yeah, I was dying. And they were, too, like, these aren't planned. Like, I think these are completely impromptu questions by the producers, because I heard the other guys talk about other questions. And they were like, what would you eat as sides?

You know, what kind of wine would you have with them? And then they were like, who in the room would you eat for dessert? And I'm like, pointed to like this cute blonde in the back. I was like, I'd probably eat her. And they were like, way to make it awkward, you know? And they started cheering. Yeah. And then they asked me to dance.

So I swung dance with a couple producers and stuff like that. Yeah. And then I walked out there being like, damn, I think I did pretty good. I was like, I got nailed. Oh, my God. So nothing here is. like a coincidence because you guys usually can dance. I mean, there's always that like band that they bring, you know, on that date. And then you have to like stand in the middle and like have

your moment. And all the guys are, first of all, were you always this able? What do your ex-girlfriends be like, yeah, Blake, he was, you know, he always told me how he feels. He was really vulnerable. Usually like guys are like not, guys that I know, like, I'm married. to one, he wasn't like spilling his guts to me. And like, like, guys usually, you know, you guys are like vulnerable. You tell your life story. Every like, it's, it's wild. Yeah. Um, so, no. Or is it like working with psychologists and like they get it out of you. It is like working with like therapists. Like you have your own therapist throughout show. So no, I think of my exes, if you were to ask my exes, maybe one of my exes, but if you would ask my exes like, is Blake a super sensitive

guy and is he like uptight and he's he like you know like crying all the time they'd be like no like no not at all and even a bunch of my friends would text me during the bachelorette and they're like dude what's going on like i've never seen you like this you know but so the way i look at it is when you're on the show and you're you see us like spilling our guts so let's say for my season i talked about my family in the bahamas because it was leading up into hometowns and i got very deep about my family and kind of what my family's been through and you know my parents divorce and all that. And a lot of my friends didn't even know some of this. Like some of my high school buddies tried to talk to in years like hit me up was like, hey man, like I'm sorry. I didn't know

you're going through this in high school. And I think the differences and why we open up like that. First of all, I always say that's how you would open up somebody if like within two weeks you'd be engaged. You know, it's like I need to get everything out. I'm in love. I need to get everything out. This, she needs to know this about me. But also you've already told that story like seven times to the different producers. You know what I mean? So it's not like, oh my God, I'm telling us for the first time. Like it's almost rehearsed. Like they never tell you what say how to say or when to say, but it's almost feels rehearsed because they've asked you so many times. I see what you're saying. Because you guys think about it, how boring would it be of a show

if like all the dudes were like dudes that I'm talking about? Like the regular dudes that are like, what do you want? What's up? What do you do? Like, then there would be no show. Yeah. But now I'm fucked up because now I just open up no matter what. Like you want. Shut up. Totally. Like girls are like, dude, slow down. I'm like, damn it. You're right. Like, what am I doing? You know? Like, that's how I date now. So it's pretty crazy. Oh my God. I've had so many girls be like, whoa, like we're going too fast. Shit. You're right. That's what you're like so my dad. Like, yeah. So I want this many kids and this is the, you know, and they're like what? But imagine if that's the same. That's what I always say when I watch. Like it's great on one hand,

but the same time in real life if my single friends would be like, I want seven babies. is like the guy would be out skis in five seconds. But, okay, the question that I need to ask, but I know is like a thing. Like we said, you're tall, you're good looking, you went to college, you're from a good fit. Like all the things, you have all the things to be able to pick up a girl anywhere.

So, so you went on, your sister and your mom did it. But did you like want to get famous? Did you say, hmm, I want to be on TV. But like if I find a, were you ready to like even think about the possibility of ending up. You're 31, by the way, which is you're,

he's of age, you guys. He's not like the 23-year-olds they get on the show. How old were you then? Like, 20-29. 29. I turned 29 during filming. Oh, that's like, that's legit. Usually aren't, like, Colton was the bachelor at 24.

Yeah, 25. I think he was on Beth, because he's 24 and he was bachelor of 25, I think is what it was. Or something like that, close to that. Yeah. I mean, and I forget sometimes that some of these guys. guys are so young you know like it's crazy to think like someone this season's a little bit better for sure but it's crazy to think like hannah season was young young you guys i'm really really starting to interrupt but this is super important you guys all

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they're lying, like I didn't go in being like, yes, like I'm going to find my wife on a television show. Like no, I never thought that I would actually fall in love. Like never. But I was ready to like. So the, and I talked a little bit about my first one-on-one with Becca, but like the relationship right before Becca was the first time I was like, oh my God, I found my wife. Like, I am ready to settle down. Like, this is the last girl I was with. Like, blah.

So I knew I could get there. I had been there recently. So I knew I could get there. What happened with her that it didn't end up? So it was distance. She just kind of, she had a lot going on in a life. I don't want to talk too much about it.

But she had a lot going on in her life. And she kind of was like, it was hard because we moved super fast, which is another thing I knew I could move fast coming off that. So I knew I could get up all that. I was the perfect candidate for this damn show. But she was like, I don't know, she just kind of was like,

you know, we're moving too fast. I have a lot going on. She was younger. So just one of those things. But it hurt. I was like broken-hearted. So I knew I could get there. I knew I wanted to get there. But honestly, like, I didn't know exactly what I was getting to. I think a lot of guys don't. I think girls definitely know what they're getting themselves into going on the show. But as a guy, I remember thinking like, hey, if I could, you know, travel the world would be super fun, make some new friends.

And it'd be a fun, like, you know, like parties. Yeah, it'd be a fun party story to tell. Like, hey, this one time I was on the best I wonder if when you went on, I just feel like every year gets a little bit more. But when you went on, do guys go? Because, like, I could say about girls so easily, like, oh, she wants to, you know, be an Instagram influencer or whatever. But do guys have the same vibe?

Because, like, usually dudes are less. Yeah. So, I think some guys are. Did you think about Instagram at the time? Like, was it even like that? So we didn't have stories. Isn't that crazy? We really didn't have stories.

You couldn't do swipe up links. after the show, like six months after the show is when those started to come through. But like you couldn't, like you couldn't share other. It was way different. And you're right, every single season. There's going to be more followers, more attention on social media. Like it's just going to keep continue to grow.

But I remember thinking like if I got on the show, I remember like talking to my family and they were like, they're not paying you. Like, and you have to take off work. Like what are you going to do? No. And they're like what like this is the, you know, of course like a different generation type thing too.

And like, they're like, what are you thinking? Like this is so stupid. You have a great job. But I remember being like, well, you know, maybe I could, like, make a little money. Like, maybe I could pay off my student loans, you know, maybe pay off my jeet. Did you pay them off? I did.

I did. Yeah. Quickly, I realized, like, well, it helps that. I, you know, I went really far. But I was like, whoa, like, this is like a career. Like, you can legit make stupid money, you know, coming off this show. So I was like, shook. Like, right away when I got like, you know, an agent and I started getting the invoices.

I was like, whoa. Like, this is more money I could have dreamed up. After you. After the Bachelette. Yeah. Like, this is more money I could have dreamed of, you know? I was like, this is insane. So you didn't know what you were getting into, essentially.

No, and I don't think a lot of guys do. Some do now, I think, because, like I said, it's blown up so much on social media. And, like, of course, there's, like, models who know, like, hey, this is going to be great for my career. Like, like, Tyler, you know. If they have, like, a gym, a lot are, like, personal trainers and, like, a lot of personal trainers. A lot of personal trainers. A lot. Do they, like, legit put signs at gyms?

A lot of personal trainers, right. And then that gives you, like, I don't want to be famous, but I want more. more, you know, business or something like that. It's more it'll help my brand, you know, to help my business. And that's one thing coming off the show. So between the Bachelorette and then me not, like I wasn't sure if I was going to be bachelor or not, that was a weird position for me because I did not know, I had 300 followers before I went on the show.

So I did not know how to use social media. And Colton, you know, was social media king and I was hanging with him and he was like posts stories and he was like getting all into it. And I posted maybe like four pictures during the season and I didn't do any stories. was terrified of ABC. Terrified of ABC. So if I could go back, I would just, whatever ABC did said, I would just ignore them and I would do it the way Colton did or do it the way like Tyler did it, you know, and just like, just slumped myself out there. What their rules are like, well, they would just kind of like, you know, be low key. Like, it's a bad look if you're posting

all the time and like all that, you know? And it's like, if I could go back, I would just, yeah, I'd pit myself. Why? Why do you have regrets about it though? Like, you've blown up. Like, why? I mean, I blew up. But I think it was just, I don't know, I was scared. I almost felt like I was living on a boat. I was walking on like broken glass. You know what I mean? Because you're like a good boy and you follow the rules. Yeah, exactly. I was trying to follow the rules and all this. And like if I could go back, I think I would just live my life a little differently. And I don't know, I was stressed out. My family, you know, saw that I was stressed out. But you were also in the runs to be the, the bachelor. So that's different. So I'm going back.

Because we know two blakes, right? We know the Blake on Becca season, which like loved you, like cried with you, didn't understand why Becca didn't. pick you you guys he was the fine you were in the final two she ended up going with garrett we could tell you loved her like can you even put yourself in that mind space right now like do you remember how you felt like crying to her that you love like isn't that wild yeah it's super wild and i actually was with a friend recently who had never watched the finale and she pulled it up on her youtube on her phone and just hearing it i was like nope now to walk in the other room i was like nope i can't like this is weird you know so yeah it's really weird to think like i propose

she did she let me not she didn't let me get on a knee which is super nice but yeah i I mean, I was, I think I'm one of the few that's like, I'm not afraid to say that I was in love, you know? Like, I think some guys are like, no, I wasn't in love, you know, it was just a bubble. Like, I was, I was, I was in love and, yeah, I thought it was, and I'll be all, for sure. And now you guys are, like, super friendly. Yeah, we are friendly. I think everybody was, like, I mean, no, everybody's always that. The first few times I saw her, it was super weird right after the show and Beck and Garrett, like, seeing them together and then me, like, it was kind of weird.

But, like, I was, people always asked, like, are you on good terms with Beck? And I was like, you know, I never was on bad terms. Like, I think it's so immature if, like, somebody holds a grudge against you were, like, maybe you were, people think you were so hurt. I was never mad at her. I was never like, why did you lead me on? I'm like, I know what the show is. Yeah.

And it's like, you have to follow your heart. Did you think you were going to win, though? So I did the whole time, I was never nervous for Rose. Never. I knew there were like moments that never showed on TV where I just was like so confident in our relationship and where we're in our connection, where we were at. But the only time I ever was like, oh, no, what's happening was when I met her family. Her family was fantastic.

And we got along great and it was so much fun. But there was a moment we were in the Maldives where normally like, if there's even a second away from camera, like she'd come run, jump in my arms, you know, and kiss, blah, blah, blah. And there was a moment where she came around the corner and I was around the corner and she looked at me and looked her head down and walked away. And I was like, oh, no. I was like, uh-oh. And you actually see it in the ITM. I'm like, she's going to pick Garrett. She's going to put Garrett.

But then the next day, we had a fantastic date, final date. I remember leaving that night being like, okay, I'm the one, you know, and then starting to write those. So even though it sounds so weird, you probably get so wrapped up in it while you're filming that you're like, Rose Sarah, like that's your life while

you're filming. All you think about you eat, sleep, drink, yeah, bashrette. But even when you're in the, like, I remember thinking when I was in the bubble, I was like, am I only into this girl because of the bubble? Like, you think that. Like, you even as a contestant are like, am I the only, you know, into this? But there was a couple

moments where I realized, like, no, like, I'm really into this girl. And there was, there was one, I don't think I've ever told this on the podcast. This is big right here. So there was one moment early, early. Like, super early. That's the second row ceremony, right? So, I was in my room. It was me, Colton, Wills,

and two other people, Benmo John, maybe. And we were in my room, and this is right after the road ceremony. I was sleeping. And I get this, like, shake on my shoulder. And I like, kind of, like, wake up. I look over, and it's a producer. And she's like, get dressed and go downstairs. I was like, okay. And I was like, what is happening? You know? I was like, am I getting kicked off the show. I think what's happening. So I get dressed. I run downstairs and I'm standing in the

four-a of like the mansion. And all of a sudden I see Becca come hauling ass, full gown, haul and ass inner heels come running and jumped into my arms and like kiss me and then ran away and produced her literally like chasing her, you know? And I remember being like, oh no, I'm going to fall for this girl. Like that was the cutest thing I've ever seen. I remember laying back in my bunk. I just, no, you guys, I'm so fucking lame. I just got goosebumps. Yeah. It was a crazy moment. So what do you think? She came from where? She came from ITM doing interviews. Oh. And she was like. call Blake, I want to see him.

I think she went up to, like, a producer who she's close with and was like, okay, Blake. Yeah. And so that was like a big moment for me because I was like, oh my God, like I'm going to fall for this girl. This is going to be the hardest. This can be the hardest experience of my life, you know? I have to be honest. Like, you guys seem like a vibe. Like, she's like from the Midwest. Like, you guys look kind of similar. Like, I don't know.

That was actually, that was actually the problem. Like, if you asked Becca, we were almost too similar, like in everything, in every way. And it scared her. at least that's what she kind of told me she was like it was scary because like we were the same in so many ways you know so but yeah it was it was weird being in that bubble

and like eat drinking sleeping like that's I mean honestly it didn't for those who don't know her and Garrett broke off the engagement they're not together anymore do you think it's because of his like political views I mean I don't want to speak too much on that because I don't want to put words in beckos but I think you know there's a lot more to it than that for sure

yeah that's how the media made it seem because of like great yeah but even how it's seemed like if you're just following their social media type thing. But I know there's way more two of them. Did you get along with him like in the house? I did actually. We were pretty close because I think very early on we knew that it was going to be us two at the end. So it was like one of those things where it was like a lot of the other guys would like bond because they knew they probably would make it to the end, you know? And so it was, I mean, me, Jason, Colton and Garrett were probably the closest in the house. And do you, are you in touch with with Colton still?

I haven't talked to him in a while actually. It's been a few months. He's here in Denver. Well, I should say like... Oh, he's also connected to Denver. His parents live here in the Burbs, about an hour from me. Yeah, he has been MIA for a while, like off social media and stuff. Have you, like, checked in on him? Yeah, I haven't talked to him probably in like six or eight weeks.

But yeah, I mean, he's, you know, he's hanging in there. He's alive doing the best he can. Listen, Bachelor Nation, you guys are wild. Like, like, there's so much going on all... That's why, like, there's, like, Bachelor's season. but there still is stuff happening even when it's not bachelor season. That's what's amazing about bachelor's nation is there's not people talk about off seasons. Like there's not an off season.

There's always stuff happening. Always stuff happening. Always stuff happening. So, okay, I was saying there's the Blake of the season of Becca's. So cute, so lovable. We all were rooting for you. Wait, I want you to tell me for a moment about almost becoming the bachelor because I feel like everyone was rooting for you.

Yeah. How do you think that didn't end up happening? I mean, because Colton was a virgin. Like me and Jason, you know, we knew. We were like, they're not going to pass up a virgin storyline. I had no idea. That's what you were going to say, because Colton was a virgin? Really?

Yeah, I mean, me and Jason knew that. We were like, they're not going to pass up a virgin storyline. No way. Good looking professional football player who's a virgin. No way they're going to pass that up, you know? I never let myself believe I was going to be The Bachelor. You know, I never was like, I'm going to be the bachelor. Like, it was like, it'd be fun.

It'd be cool. Like, I still do, even after all the shit I've been through, still believe in the process. and that you can find somebody in that environment. But I'll never forget, me and Jason and Colton were super close. And we still, you know, kind of are. But that was the first time they've ever had that. So we actually had a group chat. Me, Jay and Colton had a group chat being like,

and they tried to like, you know, they would talk to one of us. And instantly we'd hit that group chat. Like, hey, I just talked to Louie or hey, I just talked to Bennett and this, blah, blah, blah, you know. So what, it wasn't, it wasn't, doesn't sound like you guys were like competitive. It sounds like you were chill about it. Not at all, super true. We all signed the contract to be the bachelor. But it was just funny because eventually,

the producers just threw us in a group chat together with the producers. Yeah, they were like, fine, fuck it. If you guys are all going to talk amongst each other, we're just going to put you in a group chat. Yeah. But I remember, I'll never forget this. Jason was like, you know, after Colton was, I think we were in Vegas at the time, after Colton was the bachelor, and he looked at me and he was like, man, he's like, would you

give up 15 years of sex to be the bachelor? And I was like, I would definitely still, like, you would have to be the version to have being out Colton, you know what I mean? And we're like, nah, I wouldn't, you know? Because it's like a story, it's like... It's a storyline. Yeah. And it worked. I mean, that whole season was so, you know, virgin heavy and so, and great rating.

Oh, yeah, he loves, he, he, he, I remember, he used to love to talk about, talk about those ratings. He did. That's so crazy. Do you know, I'm so naive sometimes that I don't always think about like, because you probably think about also like the producers and the mindset of, of television. And I didn't even have in my head like, okay, that's like such a storyline to, to go with. How have you been feeling about this season? Like, let's start with Claire, which seems like 300,000 years ago, but that was actually the beginning of the Bachelorette.

Isn't that weird? I know. It seems like so long ago. It's a wild season. I mean, it started crazy. Like, I think, you know, Claire was obviously like every episode. I was like, this is insane. Like, every episode was just nuts.

And, like, I get why some people are angry with her. Like, she wasn't giving the other guys time and blah, blah, la, she had her eyes fixed on one guy. But, like, at the same time, I was like, how can you be mad to this girl for falling in love so soon, you know? and then she went through it. I mean, they're engaged, you know what I mean? So you buy it? Like you buy, you, you, you, you, you're a believer? I'm a believer that they're definitely into each other.

I'm never going to say like, hey, they're going to get married because I thought for sure back in Gary were going to get married. I thought for sure, like, all these couples that I think are like, oh, they're for sure going to work. They don't. So I'm going to stop. I'm just going to stop me and like, yeah, they're going to work. But I definitely think they're in love and I think they're super, super, super, super

into each other and they're enjoying their company a ton, it looks like. Like even great couples that. are still engaged for a while for some I mean I was going to say for some reason but I guess it makes sense because you guys meet so quickly have to get engaged so quickly so then they take their time with the engagement but yeah will they get married I don't know to me it feels like I mean yeah if you watch their Instagrams now you're like okay should I like put my foot in my mouth but but at the same time like watching the show Dale was caught so off guard. I feel like she was like, we're in love. And he was like, okay. And then, and then now he's

in this position. But he felt to me like someone that did come on the show, very aware of what he could make of it, very aware where it could bring him and his brand. I saw like Instagrams at lives that he did, like answering questions or whatever. And he's like, in five years, I want my brand to be like this. I want to be a host of this. And those are the things that kind of turn me off. Like if I were the Bachelorette, I'd be like, I don't. I don't. want people coming to like build their brand even if like you said secretly everyone is kind of thinking something of the sort but he kind of seemed to me like very aware of the process that's why i'm i'm cynical about it i mean i would i would uh i would agree to a to an extent because he you know

he's a model and he wants to host and i think if you have like ambitions within the entertainment industry and you come on the show obviously you know it's going to help your brand you know it's going to help your career right but i mean all the I mean, I think there's so many people who go on the show for that and then fall in love anyway, you know, and then accidentally, like, oh my God, like, it happened to me. I mean, I didn't go on for like, you know, to be a host or anything, but I was like, oh, my God, like, I didn't mean to fall in love with this girl. Like, this is going to be the hardest experience of my life.

Like, I'm going to have to watch her date all my friends while I'm in love with this when, you know, it's super hard. So, like, it's not something that, like, you necessarily, like, plan on, so. Do you think you're going to, like, do you want to do stuff in the entertainment industry? Or, like, are you, do you see yourself going back? a regular and job? You know, I don't really see myself going back to like a nine to five. The reason I quit my nine to five was honestly because I started losing money because I was

losing opportunities doing, you know, appearances and things like that. And I started a podcast. And I think I, I mean, it's going great. We just started. We're like two and a half months in. I mean, it's like a country music meets pop culture. It's called Behind the Rose podcast. And it's like, it's way more fun than I thought.

Like hosting a podcast is fun. I've been on a thousand podcasts, but hosting is super fun. And maybe one day that might lead. into something in like the music industry as far as like, you know, you never know if it's radio or whatever. But that was definitely not on my radar. Wait, your co-host is in the country music like sphere. Yeah. The co-host and my, our producer, so my co-host is Eric Bradley and the producer, Eddie Haskell's been in coaching music radio for 30 years. So that's, yeah. So we're, and I built, stage coach, I built a ton of relationships. Well, you guys, we have to talk about Blake's, like, bio on

Instagram, which I like. I love a self, what's it called? Like, deprecation. Yeah, self deprecation. Blake's in your bio. You're like, see you and stagecoach. I have merch now that says we met at stagecoach. Oh, you do? Oh, yeah. I have sweaters. And I have like those, because everybody wears those face masks. Yeah. Before it was cool at stage because it's super dusty. It says we met at stagecoach. It's like a whole thing. I just decided to lean into it, you know? It's like I can't fight it. Mm-hmm. So that was a rough time for you. Let's talk about that for a minute. God, yeah. That's the reason I called you a playa. Yeah, I get it. I'm sorry. No, it's okay. Trust you, I've been called worse. No, but listen, I mean, now that

I'm going back to it in my head, I think it was such a hard situation because everything that you were going through and expose the text messages with Kalin and everything, as a woman, like, even if you don't agree, even if you maybe, you know, like you more than Kailen, you can't, you know, like the woman will win that situation. And that was the situation I was in. It was like I'm like, I had no chance. I was all alone. The show was going to back Kailen. Not only because she's a, you know, beautiful white woman, but like also because she's in a bachelor's relationship. You know, they're never going to, they're always protected. And then nobody was going to talk about, you know, how, I mean, everybody knew what Kailen did was bad. Like everybody knows what Kailen did was wrong. But they're not going to say that because, you know, it's a beautiful white woman. And it's like, so I was just law. I was completely alone. I was, why was what Kailen did?

Why was it wrong? Well, I mean, she wasn't too, you know, she wasn't honest. And, you know, she said, I mean, yeah. No, I'm asking because I want you to remind me. Yeah, it's not like she was wrong for like being hurt. Like, I totally get that. But it was, it was coming into paradise just being like, yeah, I'm going to ruin Blake and then saying things that weren't true. And I do have empathy for Caitlin.

And I've talked about this before. like I don't necessarily think she went in a paradox because we're in the hotel for three days before we walked down to the beach. I don't think she went in there like producers like, hey, I'm going to fuck up Blake's life. Like I don't think it was like that at all. I think they started to hear the story and they were like, you know, in their head it clicked and they were like,

oh, this is going to be good TV. Did you have any idea that you were going into this? Well, I knew that people knew, but the thing is, is like nobody was making a big deal. Kately said it wasn't a big deal. Christina said it wasn't a big deal. Like it was just sex, nothing more, nothing less. Like there was no hearts involved. And so I was like, okay, like whatever, if I get like...

But Blake, when are girls actually like that, honestly? But that's what, so this is what's... So, but they're lying to you. They're trying to be cool. So you're telling me not to trust women? Literally, all in America was telling me not to trust women. That's so fucked up to me. That's like the excuse of people being like, boys will be boys.

Like, no. Like, men need to take responsibility for the words and their actions and women do too. Say what you mean and mean what you say. You know what I mean? Like, it's frustrating. It's frustrating. It's frustrating. You're right. But all these girls, like,

just watching them. That's what I'm saying. You didn't stand a chance. No. You know, especially another girl crying and another girl crying. And, and, and, and it's like, and even if they said to at the time, like, you know, do me or don't use the condom or whatever they fucking said at the time, they liked you probably. And they, they, they didn't, they didn't mean it. But I want, you said bachelor and ancient couples are always protected. That sounds like intense. Yeah. Well, I just mean they'll never, like, they'll never be, I don't know, like, So Kaelin didn't get a hot seat during the reunion. Like, they weren't going to throw Kailen up there in a hot seat, you know, because they want the show.

And I still, like I said, I still believe in the show and you can find somebody. But they want those relationships to last because it's good for the show. You know what I mean? It's good for the show. Yeah. So they're never going to like talk shit about, you know, the person in a relationship and Bachel Nation. Never. So I had Dylan on the podcast.

And he said that everyone was, you know, effing around before, before the B. and that he was smart enough in retrospect to be like, I'm not going to do that in a way. Dylan and Hannah had men. They had had dinner. Not together. It was a group of people. But it's like that's what was frustrating too is like I felt like such a scapegoat.

Because even Kailen even said it in text message, you just already be like, it's not a big deal. Everybody in this world hooks up. Like it's not a secret. And there's nothing wrong with that. Have sex with whoever you want. You know, like a bunch of good looking people who don't have jobs it can travel over the world, like, yeah, go ahead.

You know, like, I don't want to like sex negative things, but I felt like such, yeah, a scapegoat because it was like, wait a minute, I know that you've hooked up with her and you've hooked up with her. So why is this falling on me? And I was like, yeah, I was like, why is this happening to me? And then I saw people from past seasons jumping on the bandwagon of like, Blake's and, you know, fuck Blake, he's a player. And I'm like, I know things about you that would ruin you, you know?

And I'm like, you dared and now, you know, so it was a very frustrating time. And I've never felt more just alone. And I just lost. You mean in the aftermath or like on the beach? The aftermath. So on the beach, after day three, everything was pretty much just fine. Like people were, like I was talking to, I was even like sitting down with Kalin and I was like, you and Dean are fucking great.

But at the time, though, I didn't know Kaylin had said the things that she said. She didn't say any of that's my face. You know, she only said it to the camera and to other people on the beach. So I didn't know. She said I had silenced her. I had sweet talked her into bed. I had ghosted her. I had played her.

Yeah, those are like big. accusations. She made it, remind me, she made it sound like you were like, listen, we did it, but like, don't talk about it. It wasn't even that. It was kind of like if it comes up, like we'll talk about it. We're not going to hide anything. If it comes up on the beach, let's talk about it. Like, that's what we came to the conclusion before we went down to paradise. Like you meant in a way, like, we're both going on the show. Let's go single and without any like past baggage or whatever. But why did you care? I mean, so if they knew you and Kalin hooked up. It wouldn't make you look bad.

That's why I went down. A lot of people like, why'd you go to paradise? If I was like, well, because like, it's just sex. Like, that's the thing. Everybody hooks up in this world. So I was like, it's not a big deal. But it's the way that then Kalen decided to. And not just Kalen. I shouldn't say just Kalen. The show decided to portray. Christina was pretty fucking hardcore too. Like Christina. Christina like was very hardcore. First of all, she's like a scary little Russian anyway. So maybe she's like more intense. but I remember her going very hard on you. Well, and that's what's crazy about the edit, though,

because, like, Christina was pretty understanding. Like, she was not mad at me that I slept with somebody else the next night. She was mad that it was Caitlin. Her and Caitlin didn't get along. But it was like, you know, Christina, I know exactly what the producers told Christina. They were like, you were ran over by Dean. Like, you were trampled on by Dean last time you're down here.

Like, you know, like women empowerment, let's get him. Let's get him, you know. And so she kind of came at me that first date, but it was still like super confusing because I was, like, are you, do you have feelings for me? She's like, well, no. And I'm like, I don't remember that. I don't know what's happening. I remember that. That was so wild. Why are you, so you're mad at me because I said somebody else when you don't have feelings for me. We just, I was like, but Blake, it is kind of like, it is kind of, I don't even like college days. I don't remember

like night after night. Same. That is like a extreme situation. Yes, everyone has sex. Does everyone do it? One night after the other with different women in the same bed? I mean, no, that doesn't happen often, but you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised at stage codes. Also, it was a music festival. I was like, everybody acts like I was like in church. Like, no, I was a music festival, you know? Like, it was not a Tuesday and a Wednesday.

Did a thought not cross your mind like, okay, both these girls are in bachelor nation? God, yeah. Did you not see the text messages? I was literally like, I don't think it's a good idea. Like, this is a bad idea. Wait, those text messages were before she came over that night. Mm-hmm. But was that...

And they were like there with Christine, too. I remember being like, like, I don't know. like, so me and Christina dated, so we had had a history. So that was like, you know, sleeping with like an ex. You know what I mean? Yeah. That wasn't like a thing. That wasn't like that big of a deal.

But it was just kind of like. And was with Caitlin, was that one and only time at stageco? We had seen each other. Yeah, we had seen each other. But yeah. But it was just, I don't know. It's frustrating thinking back because obviously I'm an idiot. Like wasn't worth that one goddamn night of penetration.

I know. And I'm an idiot. And it was just, it was just living in the moment. It was one of those things like this beautiful woman wants to sleep with me. Like, I don't know. I was weak. I was weak and I should have known better obviously and it was wrong and I even said

like it was disrespectful. Somebody was like you should apologize like I somebody counted I said sorry 19 times on one of the episodes like obviously I'm sorry you know like obviously like I'm never going to apologize or regret the text messages in defending myself but I will always apologize for stage coach obviously that was in the wrong

but also then there's people being like oh now you're slut shaming like now you're sex negative it's like they can sleep with whoever you want 24 hours you know and it's like I know that's I know that's why I have to be honest my brain is like swirling now and bringing me back because I don't know what's right in the situation. Because on one hand, if they're both wanting to have sex with you, then why not? If they're both the next day saying it's fucked up, do you have sex with the other one?

Why is it fucked up if you're not like exclusive? I know, exactly. Well, not only we're not exclusive, like I get asked, they're like, did you make sure they knew that it was just sex? And I'm like, no, they made sure I knew that it was just sex, you know? So it's just a heart There is no right in this situation And that's the problem I think the show

This should never have been on the show Like it should never have been on the show I'm probably the first person Who ever had stuff come from outside of the show And the whirl and try and ruin them Did it make you mad at like production And like for a very long time Like and I'm still a little angry with some producers

Because eventually you hear kind of what happened Like who kind of stirred the pot You know like I know which producers got her To say certain things And which producers got her You know Kate Christina Yeah, you obviously are a little angry but you try to remember that

like they have a job to do and at times their job fucking sucks like I know I know producers lose sleep like some of them broken down to me and said you know some of the things they do manipulation wise is they feel really terrible about but at the same time like it's still it's like you trust these people

and you think through your friend I went through like three or four producers was in the first three day because they got caught in lies and they'd have to switch out to a new producer so it's like yeah it's hard in that sense you know caught in lies to you yeah and you want to trust these people

And I don't think they're bad people. Like, I think in real life, they're good people. But once they put on that fanny pack and that freaking ear mic, you know, it's like they're a different person, you know? So you try to remember. And that's, I went in so naive and do-eyed. Like, I should have just- Because your experience was super different on Bachelorette.

Super different. I trusted, like, I loved the producers. And I'm still super close with the producer who was mine during Becca season because she wasn't in paradise. But I, yeah, I was just like, I just believed and trusted everybody, you know. I had a very big loss of faith, like when I came back. I mean, I didn't get out of bed for two months. I remember you were having a really, a really hard.

Because when it was airing, how long after you came back did it air? So about a month. So, and that was honestly just as hard because, you know, I'm definitely somebody who overthinks, obviously. And I, it was one of the things that were like, I just kept building it up in my head, like, how bad it was going to be, how bad it was going to be. And it still was worse than I could have ever imagined. Really? You didn't? it's not like when they say that it could never be as bad as you imagine it was worse it was worse yes

exactly i remember talking to other contestants because they started reaching out to me and they were like you know katelyn told me she you silenced her and i was like what i was like but they would never throw that on the show like that'd be so fucked up if they put that on the show and of course they put it on like four different times you know and so i was yeah it was worse i could have imagined and just watching it i'll never forget the first night i watched i watched it before watched like two days before and that's when i was like i was sewing i was did you know were you like, I'm fucked. Yeah, I was in Montrose.

Well, the producer called me and if the producer tells you it's bad, that means it's bad. The producer called you and told you it's going to be bad, Blake? Yeah, she was like, she called, because they usually do. They call you before every episode

and they kind of let you know what's going to happen, kind of, you know. But usually they do it in the most optimistic, positive way. And the producer called me and she was like, I'm not going to lie,

it's going to be really bad for you, Blake. And I was like, oh, my God. And I watched it within like the next day, I watched it. And I was like, nope. I was like,

I'm going to burn this motherfucker down. I'm like, I am not going to play this game. I'm not going to let you try and ruin my life on national television. And I started calling producers, you know, and I was like, no, this is not happening. I'm not going to let you. Because it was like, if it was the fuckboy edit, whatever. Like Dean, if it was like a Dean edit, whatever. Like I would easily, you know, I don't care.

But it was the silencing. And it was this talking, sweet talking her into bed and silencing her. And I was like, no, like, it's too far. I had the Me Too movement coming at me. I had like death threats. My family got death threats. I was like, no, I'm not going to stand for this. But then I felt worse, after, not worse.

Like, it did help because just, like, release no text. Because, like, at least I got my side out because there was no way I was ever going to get my side out. But, like, I felt then bad about that, too, you know? And so I was just like, it was just horrible. I didn't get out of bed. I was like, do you think releasing the text message just did more good or more bad to the situation? Oh, no, definitely good just because I had so many people being like, oh, okay, this makes sense now. Yeah.

Well, and so many people were like, oh, my God, I thought you were literally the biggest piece of shit in the whole world. And like, thank you for, I had thousands of people. And I still have people who watch it on HBO Max. And then they find, and they get to the reunion. And I talk about the text messages and they look them up and they'll slide my DMs be like, oh my God, I literally hated you until I saw, you know, saw the actual kind of what happened. So you don't regret it, sounds like. I don't regret it. I wish there was any other way. Like, I wish the show just wouldn't have done that. I understand what you're saying because like you had no other ammo. Like, it was your word against hers, and that was the only...

And that was not ever... If I was like, she's lying, like, you know, a white woman on national television crying. Like, no way was everybody... Wait, what does silence term mean? Does she mean you told her never to speak about your hookup? Is that what she's saying? So, and that's what's frustrating to...

Yes. Like, who would be embarrassed about hooking up with Kalin? Right. Well, it was more of, it was more of like... You know, I don't really know, because now I look back, I don't think at any point did she explain what that meant. Like what that word meant? Maybe she did, but she, she, they edited it out.

You know, I don't know. I haven't talked to Caitlin. But I think that is what, even the like unknown, because some people took that as he, I threatened her. You know, there are actually people out there that think I threatened her, you know? And that's what I mean. Like, the show just just did me, like, they just went too far. You know, they just went too far.

But are you, like, were you mentally strong enough to get through that period, like to. Barely, yeah. I mean, it was really hard. I started seeing a therapist. this. And there were moments when I wasn't sure if I wanted to live for sure. No, stop. Blake, for real? Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, I've talked about it in the past. Like, there was a moment that saved my life where I didn't get out of bed for, I was probably, I was on a three week stretch ready and get out of bed. And for some reason, I like popped up one morning. And I went and did a walk to Walgreens to buy a

Gatorade. And I hadn't seen sunlight or fresh air in like three weeks. And I was like, I don't know, it just kind of gave me like, I don't know, like a second wind, you know, and then I was like, okay. And then the next day I walked a little further, the next day I jogged. And then, you know, I slowly started getting better. But I was in a dark, dark place, you know, and a lot of my family and friends. And I'm not a dark person. Like, I'm pretty optimistic and positive and laid back. And so people were, it was bad. It was really weird. I mean, the show was really worried. So we were getting a lot of messages. Were you getting like unfollowed? People were on following? So I stayed off. I didn't post once during Paradise.

So like, and like, did you get advised to not do that? Or were you like, I was just fucked up? Like, I couldn't. Yeah, I just had to stay off social media. I was so fucked up. And, you know, it's hard. It's one of those things where had I kept posting, and this is my business side of things, had I kept posting,

I could have maybe hit the million mark, you know. But I was just in such a fucked up mental state that I couldn't. There was no way that I could post or get on Instagram even, you know, I was just getting bullied every night. Like the first five episodes was me just getting my, you know. Was it all women writing to you? Oh, I mean on the show. Sorry, on the show.

Oh, on the show. I was just getting bullied on the show over and over and over. and over and it was like, I remember I ripped my toenail off during, during paradise, and somehow I was still, like, getting bullied. Like, it was just like, it was like, nonstop. Like, I remember calling to producers and I literally was like, mercy. I was like, mercy. Like, cut me out of the rest of the show. I was just like, I want no more. And they did, like, they did help me out a little bit, but I was just like, I can't handle this anymore. I was like, I'm going to fucking kill myself. Like, just get me mercy. Oh, my God. But it was, it was hard. A lot of people from the show reached

out and we're supportive. But just the thing was nobody was supportive publicly, you know, and that was hard. No one was. I remember. Jason and Caitlin a little bit. Jason and Caitlin a little bit. Those two for sure, Kevin and Astrid, they were supportive. So I know all, like, that's a blessing in disguise of all this. Like, I, I definitely, like, found out who my real friends were. Yeah. I definitely found out who my real friends were through. Wait, I don't want to, like, rehash the thing. But I just want to make sure I'm getting this. You and Kaylin were not a thing. no it was a one night thing we were not we hadn't yeah we hadn't talked in probably six weeks yeah we had talked earlier in the year but we yeah we hadn't talked for probably when you say talked to you like

dm'd or whatever we had face timed a couple times you had face timed a couple times you thought she was cute she thought you were cute oh yeah so i i'm not gonna lie like i i liked caylin yeah you can be wrong like can't awesome she is a really cool girl like she is and yeah she's beautiful and everything i'm like yeah i have you know like sometimes i still get angry every once in a while but like for the most part, like, I've forgiven everything, you know. And I hope she's forgiven me, you know. But is she talking about that one night at stage? That's the night. That's the whole thing. Like, the night that she feels. You know, I can't, God, it's been so long. I know. I'm sorry. I'm like, I'm there. I'm back there again, you know?

I'm trying to remember what she said. And I really can't. Like, I really can't remember everything. Because I think the play thing and the ghost of. No, because I'm trying to put myself in your shoes. And if all this is happening to me, because of a one night. do you know what I mean? Not like, oh, we had this, you know, crazy relationship. Like, that's what I'm trying to understand. Was it, did it boil down to like that night at stagecoach? That was so. So I think, no, I think she was also angry earlier in the year when we had to start talking and then stop talking. But that was frustrating for me because like that whole time we were talking, she wanted to be Bachelorette, you know? So for her to be like, we were

in a relationship. I was like, you wanted to be the Bachelorette. Like, how were we in a relationship? you know, like you were literally interviewing for it. So it was just the whole thing. And I think a lot of it was chopped up and edited. Like there were so many moments where they made me look a thousand times worse than I was, you know. Because they had to. Like if you just, what I did on the beach, like there's nothing on the beach I did that made me look like some kind of asshole. Right.

So they had to edit it worse than it was to make me seem like this really, you know. Right. Because then we didn't even get to the part with Hannah G. That comes out on the show that you flew to see her. And that goes back to like that. I remember when I was watching the show and they were like, oh, yeah, I flew to see Hannah-Dee. That's like a big deal to fly and see someone. Is it not?

Yeah, I get, yeah, like on paper, big time. But literally we spent like six hours together and it was me telling her about stagecoach and trying to be honest with her. And all we did was kiss. That was it. And it wasn't even like a makeout. It was like a kiss, you know. But why'd you fly? Like, did you like her?

Like, what were you trying to do? No, I was, I did like Hannah. Yeah, yeah, I did like Hannah. But, like, I'm glad it worked out the way it did because her and Dylan are freaking perfect for each other. Oh, my God. Yeah, they're super. It's crazy how everything ended up working at, like, Dean and Kaelin, you know. I mean, shit.

I guess Christina's not with anybody, but I'm like, Dean and Kailen are together. Hannah Jean and Dylan. Tasha's the fact. Tasha's the Bacheloret. Right. I forget you had a thing with Tasia, too. We went on a date. Yeah, we went on a date.

Yeah. So it was just like, I'm like, but Christina, I guess, isn't with anybody. But I was just like, I just felt like I, you're like a stepping step. Yeah. Like stepping stone, right? Well, Kaelin, now that she's with Dean, do you ship or do you feel like she's turned into like a mini dean? No, no, no, no, I totally ship. And I remember being, I remember talking to her producer when we were down on that beach and being like, Dean and Kaylin are weirdly perfect for each other, you know?

Like, weirdly perfect. And so, yeah, I mean, I knew they were. I saw all the people being like, oh, this is going to last two weeks. I'm like, no, no, no, no. Like, when you see them together and I saw them down on that beach the whole time, I was like, no, no, no, they're going to last. they're going to last. Same with Dylan and Hannah. I was like, no, even people close, you know, and, like, Bachelor Nation were like, Dylan and Hannah never going to work. I'm like, no, I think they're going to work. You'll be surprised. That's crazy. So now would you want to date someone

in Bachelor Nation again or never again? I don't know. I don't know. You know, it's really hard. Like, it's hard to date in Bachelor Nation. There's just so many eyes, a lot of pressure, you know, any kind of relationship in the public is, you know, public eyes pressure. I don't know if I could ever, like, go back on a show, you know, because. That was going to be my next session. Would you go back on the show? You know, I don't know. I'm never going to sit here and say never.

First of all, I don't know if they never want me back because I do, like, I am honest about the show a lot. And I don't know if they necessarily like that. The only, and I still believe in the show. And you've been burned. That's a thing. And you've been burned. Yeah, but I'm not the only person ever be burned by the show.

You know what I mean? I'm probably maybe the were one of the worst, as far as actual like real life consequences if it would have played out that way. But other people have gotten bad edits. I'm not first, not the last. So you say that. a lot, Blake. You say edits. You're like, I wouldn't mind if I got the dean edit, you know?

So, I mean, we know what that means, but is it as like the dean edit, like he comes off, like, I'm not settling down and whatever. Like, when you say the dean edit, is it, is it not what he's really like 24-7? Is it just an angle that the producers are going with? So edit, yeah, so edit really isn't the right word. I guess I do use that. It's more narrative. It's like the narrative he had during Paradise. Like, everybody has a narrative. You know what I mean? And I had a narrative in The Bachelorette. I was like the romantic love guy who was like in his head all the time and emotionally,

you know, like that was my narrative. Yeah. And so it's who I am, but it's just like exponentially, you know, more. I see. I see what you're saying. So like if I would have gotten the Dean narrative where he was like a fuck boy on the show, like fine. Like I'm not too worried about that.

You know, it was the silencing thing. So like, yeah, people get certain narratives. You know, Dylan kind of had my basteret. narrative where it was like he's obsessed with Hannah G and he's in his head and he's emotional like he got that narrative you know what I mean yeah which he was all those things but it's just exponentially yeah right it looks like way more intense yeah exactly way more intense Dylan's actually pretty laid back dude he actually doesn't give a fuck like I give a fuck he does not that dude right I was surprised too he doesn't no and I'm so like interested in those kinds

of people because I'm the opposite it's like I'm so interested in people you're an overthinker yeah and he just he doesn't give a fuck like he's petty he'll admit he's like the king of pettiness and he yeah he just doesn't when people talk shit about him he's like whatever he lets it roll off his back you know so yeah he gets he like digs at you i thought one of them was funny when oh yeah he always digs at me on like social media oh yeah oh the the stagecoach thing me and so dylan hated me for a long time hated me i think he slowly come around you know but like yeah he i mean obviously it's frustrating because like it's a dating show like you're supposed to date other people you know but he hated me for that but i mean it is what it is

I actually think me and Dylan could be good friends one day, maybe. Yeah. But yeah, most of the people and most of the drama on the show, like, you end up being friends, you know, kind of like after the show. Yeah. Most part, you know. Do you still get

like girls from Bachelor Nation in your DMs? Oh, I'm basically now, I'm friends with that. I mean, past seasons. I'm friends with everybody. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No joke. I really did meet everybody at stage shows. Like, that is not, that wasn't overblown. Like, literally all a

Bachelination was a stage coach and I just happened to meet. Why? Was it like sponsored? No, I think it, well, it's in L.A. You know, it's outside of L.A. But it literally, and I had like a huge table at the neon carnival after party and like all of Bachelors was at my table. So like, that isn't an exaggeration. I really did meet

everybody at stagecoach. And you just, you just slowly meet people, people slide in the DMs and be like, good luck or a lot of people reached out to me with support during Paradise. And then, yeah, I've had already had some guys and some girls from that season because more slide in, not looking like flirting, but like, help. Like, this is going to be really hard.

Like, I've seen the top. I've seen the best that Bachelor Nation can offer. And I've seen the absolute bottom and the worst that passionation has to offer. So a lot of people, and I've kind of embraced that role. But do you, don't you feel like it's, it passed? Don't you? Like, did you feel like it's still hovering over you?

Absolutely. I do. Yeah. I mean, it's gotten better, obviously, you know, but 100%. People hear my name and they're like, oh, Mr. Stagecoach, oh, player, oh, that fuck boy who fucked all those girls of stagecoach, who fucked all the Colton season. When I called you a player recently. And I know, like, low-key, it's just mostly, like, I don't know, like, that's what you, you know, that's what the show and the media wanted you to, like, kind of feel towards me.

And so, of course, you're going to. But I still, yeah, anytime there's like a little, I could say, like, I don't know, U.S. Weekly, you know, posts. You're so cute. Us Weekly. Us Weekly. Post something. You'll see in the comments being like, oh, that fucking guy who, like, fucked all those girls. You know, it's just like.

Oh, my God. Blake, you can't be reading comments. Oh, I know, I know. I've gotten better at it. But, yeah, it's hard not to, you know. It's hard not to get on, thank God, I wasn't on Twitter. Oh, my God. Twitter is wild, right?

Everyone says Twitter is like where, I feel like Instagram, there could be some trolls, right? But Twitter is like. And I block mode. Like I'm not loose with that block button. I'll block everybody. Really? Oh, yeah, yeah. Like someone who comments something?

On my, on something on mine. Yeah, yeah, I block them. It's like my platform, so I don't want negativity. Yeah, I block. So on Instagram, it's not as bad. Like on occasion, I'll see it on other people's photos. But, yeah, Reddit and Twitter are pretty bad. Reddit and Twitter are pretty bad.

Yeah, yeah. It's like a Bachelor thing on Reddit. That you grow in a lot? The hole is great. Oh, I used to. Yeah, I used to be really bad at it. Yeah, yeah. Because it's this, yeah.

I don't know. Any type of somebody's talking about you, you want to listen. You know what I mean? No. And then it's like one of those things you click on a negative. You click on something negative. And then you just like, you go down that rabbit hole. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. But I've gotten better at it. Thank God. But I, and that's one thing I warn people about, like, all these kids, you know, kids, all these guys coming off the show and gross one off the show. I'm like, just try and stay up social media as much about it. Because even if you're a fan fave, there's still going to be, you're going to get haters. It's always going to be haters. They're always going to be haters. And it's so easy to like read it and have that be, like, even with me, it's like I'll read one bad review of like a podcast or,

whatever. And it'll replay in your head. You'll be like, oh, amazing, great, like the nexus, blah, blah, blah. And then it'll be like, who does she? And you'll just have that in your, in your mind. For some reason, it is so true what people say. It's always the, the bad comments, the negative comments that stay with you. Yeah, it doesn't matter if you have thousands of good ones, one bad one and it just gets to you. Imagine thousands of bad ones. You know, it's crazy. Like what I went through in paradise. Yeah. But right. But you're saying like player isn't a bat. Like if they were just like, he's to play a play at like it. Like it wouldn't have. Yeah. That was the narrative. It's like whatever. You know, there's always going to be a player at it. But like that's a thing though. Like I didn't

play with any hearts. Like I try if you want to maybe a fuck boy, whatever. Fine. But like I didn't play with any hearts. You know, like I tried to be as completely honest and open with these women as I was. You know, like it was just sex. When you date now, do, do girls bring it up? Are they like? Most, I mean, No, most so most young people are like, you know, I go on like five, tenor dates a week. You know, and they're like, no, that was not a big deal at all. I used to do that every weekend in college, you know? So most young people and like people my age are like, no, whatever. Like that's not a big deal at all.

Like, if anything, like it was blown way out of proportion, you know, so no. But the thing is, and it just came out the other day I saw like 50% of the people that watch the show are older than 50. That group. What? Yeah, it's not a wild statistic. Yeah, it's not a wild, that like, loyal, you know, who started watching from the beginning. Yeah. They're now older. Yeah. So is, yeah, 50% I think is over 50 or over 55. Those people thought I was a monster. You know what I mean? Because it's just like a little different generational look at sex and everything. Yeah. But you know what matters most, Blake, is the people's opinion that, you know, that you love and that you care about the people that are close to you. Yeah. And I feel like- People who meet me and like I hang out with. Like even if I go to a bar, you know, like somebody to Colon, I love hearing it. I love hearing it.

I hear it too much, but they're like, God, I thought you were going to be a total dick. But I like, like you. And I'm like, thank you, I guess. Thanks. I know, you're a really nice guy. And I'm sorry that that happened. I'm sorry if Caitlin got hurt and all that. But I'm sorry if you went through that.

I remember even, you know, if it's like you came off as a player, you were with like three different girls. It still was hard breaking to see someone at the end of the day get ripped apart. And it was so like, uh, you know, it was over and over again. So I hope that, you know, as much as it can, blow over and not be part of your thing anymore. Yeah, I appreciate that, yeah. It was just a bad situation for everybody involved, you know, and that was what sucks. It sucks for everybody involved, you know.

I wish it wouldn't happen, but it did, unfortunately. Yeah. So what do you think about how this season is going to? Do you read reality, Steve? Like, do you want to know spoilers? I do, but I feel like, I don't think he may be right. Like, I think he's wrong. So we're not going to say it.

We're not going to say what he's saying. But I heard that he might have taken it back as well. Yeah, I heard he took it back, but I still think, I don't know. This is honestly the first season I started watching it, like, since I was on it. And I'm like, I don't know. Like, I'm excited for Monday and Tuesday because I don't know what's going to happen, you know? Do you feel bad for these dudes? You're like, I went on my season.

I ended up falling in love, but I thought it'd be cool to travel the world. They're traveling around Lakeinda. Sweating. It's like 120 degrees. It's like, are you a sweater? Like, would you have sweated galore? Do you remember my proposal? Oh, my God, I do now.

I'm having a pleasure. I was in that monkey suit and I was like 120 degrees out and I was standing in it for like a two hours. This is horrible. I was literally about to pass out. I was going to say like that that would give me like anxiety. That's the other thing. You're nervous, which makes you sweat and you're hot. Yeah.

would have died in Laquinta, like seeing these poor guys sweat. I'm like, oh, man. What do you mean sweat? They were drip, which like, okay, I really, this is important for me to say this. Tasha is a goddamn sport. Do you see, she's the most positive. She's a great bachelor. She's a great bachelor.

Zach and her in her in a cardboard. Like piece of taxi cab. And she's like, Emma Haley? She's so positive. I know. do kind of wish she would have gotten a full season. I was going to say, don't you feel bad that she got kind of like, not only did she not get a full season, you know, she also got pandemic Bachelorette.

I do because I think, I think it takes, so I think it first of all, it takes a very positive and like, honestly, a nice person to be the lead because you don't sleep, you don't really eat that much, you're constantly under pressure, you're breaking hearts, like you have to be like overly optimistic to like not like break, you know? Which I think Tasha's, you know, about to break. She kind of broke a little bit, saying by to Blake, you know, which everybody breaks, you know, it just depends on when. So that doesn't surprise you, the breaking?

Because I was looking at it like, you're breaking over Blake. I don't even think you liked him. That's how I felt. Yeah. So I think a lot of people did think that way. But I talked about my podcast about it. I was like, you know, like I've been in that situation where, and I'll never forget, I actually came home and I had had drinks with Ben before my season even aired because I was

like, dude, help me. And I said, one of the things I said, I was like, you know, Becca didn't even really like break down with me. She was, I was like, you know, she didn't really even like cry. And I was like, what do you think that was about? Like, does she even love me? And he was like, you know, being that I've been the lead before. And he's like, you're so tired of breaking hearts and you're so tired of hurting people. That's all you do is hurt people.

He's like, when you get down to that final two, it's like almost a relief because that's the last heart you have to break. And he's like, I think she had a bit of a relief probably. And she was like, oh, my God, I can move on. I can live my life. Garrett, but I think Tasha's not there yet. I think Tasha's still like just tired of hurting people. I think she's just exhausted from hurting people and from, you know, obviously she's probably not into all these guys. She's got to fake it with a few guys. They all the leads do. And I just think it's exhausting and eventually everybody breaks. Every lead breaks. And I think Tasha, Becca did

with Jason. Becca had a complete meltdown when she said by to Jason. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I think just everybody, every lead eventually has that breaking point. Yeah. Hannah B broke down pretty bad too during her season. I remember. She like ran away. She did. But for some reason, I don't know if it's because her part is so rushed. It feels like, I mean, we rushed into hometowns. We're like rushing it on. And she does have a few good guys love. She has Zach C. Now I want to rate them by like sweat. How much to each sweat? Zach C. Ivan. Ivan. Ivan. Yeah. And Brendan. Who are you rooting for? So this is a good group of guys. You know, and I think people. Yeah. I think it's funny. It's always so funny to see people, I swear you got, every year, everybody's like, the best group of guys ever, you know, but then they become real people and they make a mistake and they act to you

and they're like, oh, it's the worst guys. So I'm just waiting for that poor moment where these guys are going to fall from their pedestal. But I do genuinely think all these guys have good hearts. The top four, definitely have good hearts. I could see what's crazy is. Well, I'm just saying with Ben. Yeah. Ben just got let go.

I think, God, I think she could, weirdly enough, I think she could be happy with most of these guys. But I think personally, it seems like her and Zach. have a different connection than her with the other guys. I just think it's going to be Zach. I feel like, yeah, people don't, he has a history, man. He was divorced, had cancer. Addiction.

Addiction. He's very, very real. He's like New York. Yeah. He's very, very real, which could be. He has some swag, though. I feel like he has so much swag. I do.

He just knows who he is and he's just, like, confident. And I think Tasha is, like, gravitating toward. Wait, were you dying? Like, okay, he was sweating. a lore right like literally for and again go tasha i would be like drift away from me we don't know that well for you to be dripping all over me so he sees the closest like water source and he's like i feel like he just wanted to get wet because he was sweating so much and she hops in like tasha just goes with the flow which i feel like is so awesome of her i think that's important for the lead too

You have to like, you got to be able to compartmentalize. You just go with the flow, you know? You can't be like, oh, I'm not getting in the water. I like my hair. Like, don't kiss me. You're sweating a little bit, you know? Like, no, that's that. You can't do that.

You're making me think of so many behind the time. I know. I watch the show a little differently now. Now you watch it differently. We're not prepared, but next week is the finale. And then did you see, like, is there going to be an after the final rose? I don't think so. They released the media release, media press release.

There's no after the final rows, I don't think. which is bizarre to me. But the mental all was kind of bizarre, don't you think? Yeah, the mental was really weird and not. It was mental always isn't very exciting, but yeah, it was a little weird.

There is a thing that people seem to be more into the bachelor than the bachelorette because the bachelor has all these women and women are, you know, we're, we're crazy, you know, and we are expressive and we are bitchy.

And with the bachelorette, I guess it's different. Yeah. Maybe that's why the mental law wasn't as... Yeah, I agree, though. Like, the one thing that I've noticed, like, being in this world is, like, women are mean. Women are mean, they're nasty.

They're just as sexual. It's not more sexual than women. I swear, I'm like, it's just funny to see. But I agree. I think a lot of women will watch The Bachelor to, like, hate watch. I have friends that won't watch the Bachelorette, but we'll watch the Bachelor. Yeah, just because there is more, like, I guess, behind the scenes, chaos. And I mean, way more drop.

Okay, let's just the last thing. And I'm sorry, I'm keeping you for a few minutes longer than. But who was the villain on your season? We didn't really, I mean, Jordan Kimball, I guess. Oh. Yeah, like we didn't really have a villain. You know what I mean? We didn't have a Luke Parker.

Like, we didn't have that. You didn't have that. So here they tried to make like the Noah and Bennett thing happen. Yeah, they tried. Didn't it feel like forced to you? So, yeah, I think it felt forced. And I think the only reason there was that was because Noah was like the new guy.

You know, they brought in new people. But I genuinely think they may not like each other. Like, after watching the mental all, I'm like genuinely, maybe they don't like each other. But yeah, I definitely think everything, you know, at some point there's going to be forced drama. That was, no one's a freaking, isn't he a nurse? He's like a COVID.

You're going to make the nurse, the villain, you know? That's how I felt. I was like that up. I stocked his Instagram. He takes a lot of selfies. Okay. He's a nurse, like you said. I was like, this guy is.

isn't a villain. And also, they're, they're, you know, I mean, again, watching with the mindset that they're producers, you know, when Bennett brought him the gifts. Yeah. And we know, like, Bennett didn't go to CVS and buy gifts, right? Like, the producers are like, here is this box, right? Right. This is how brilliant the producers can be, though.

They can have something like that planned or whatever. But then they're so good with their words that they'll make it think it's your idea. So I'm sure they were like, you know what would be like kind of funny is it? if, like, you gave him an emotionally intelligent book, you know, or something like that. And they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, like, we should go out and get one. And then I'll give him some socks and like, blah, and then they have like, what a coincidence. Like, I have these right here. No, but, but like, the audience isn't that dumb.

You know what I mean? Like, the audience has gotten more savvy. Like, we know you're quarantined at Lakinta. You're not going out and getting a gift wrapped. And also, my, my question is to you, do you think that the guys that get into this, like, villain or, or two one-one situation. Do they usually know they're not going to go that far so they're down to like play that something up that's like stupid? Right. Good question because I don't know when you're in the moment, maybe not. But yeah, obviously like if you go to the lead and you talk

about somebody else, that never works. Never works. That's what I always yell at the TV. I'm like, the guy that goes to the lead to the complaint about the other guy or the girl, whatever, you're never good the person the the lead isn't going to like you so i don't know if they're just like in the moment they're so in the moment the producers like you should probably go tell tasha she'll love it if you tell tasha about bennett no maybe in the moment they don't think it but like you got to look at it and be like if you're ever no one's ever won i don't think from the two-on-one one i don't think the two-on-one it's so because wouldn't you like in your situation you're in love with beka you want to win and you like hated this guy wouldn't you be like Blake don't do it

No, I absolutely. Yeah, you would talk yourself out of doing something stupid. And I think that's the other thing, though. I think if you have a really good connection with the lead, like, you're not going to. I don't think Bennett or know where we're going to win anyway. Or like Yosef. Did Yosef not do that shit to Claire because he was like, I'm probably going home. Let me go out with a bang.

Like, I can't think about it any other way. I mean, that was super intense. Like he, I don't know if he, yeah. I mean, it went really far. And then he didn't apologize or anything, which was nuts. Harrison was like, get off my stage, dude. Harrison literally said the apology for him. All he had to do was not his head and he couldn't do it.

I was like, oh. Wow. So, yeah, he really didn't give a shit. Yeah. I don't know. He's, yeah. I don't know if that was really, God, that's so crazy. Claire's season was just recently because I barely remember it, but I don't know.

It was a lot. And how do you feel about Matt James being the bachelor? I don't know the guy, you know. I met Tyler a couple times, but like, I don't, I don't really know Matt. I don't know. He seems like a great guy and everybody who has met him who I've talked to, they really enjoy him. Was it weird for you that someone got picked that wasn't from

Bachelor Nation? 100%. I don't think it's going to be a good thing for Matt. Like I think part, I even thought it was crazy when Hannah B. got the gig because the process changes so much at hometowns. Like the first, whatever, seven weeks is filmed in four weeks

and the last two weeks are filmed in four weeks. So like, it's crazy how much the process changes and how really everything gets and the travel. Wait, can you say that part again? Because my brain is too slow for it. So I should say episodes. So the first seven episodes are filmed in four weeks and the last three episodes are filmed in four weeks.

So it changes dramatically. I see. Yeah, yeah. The process is crazy. So I think it's crazy to have somebody, like even, I thought it was even crazy to have Hannah B, somebody who didn't know what hometowns was and how that worked to have me to lead, let alone somebody who's never been in vaccination. I'm like, I just pray for him.

I'm like, you think he doesn't know what he's getting into kind of a thing? Exactly. I hope though. I'll just pray like the producers didn't get to him. You know, because he was like new clay. They could just mold him out where they wanted, you know? He didn't know he was getting into. Who else was in the running with him? I mean, I don't think anybody.

Oh, really? They had their eyes set on Matt James. Oh, 100%. Usually they would pick somebody from this season probably. And it'd probably be, I mean, Ben or Ivan or they, yeah, there was nobody in the running with Matt. It was like. That's wild. That's wild that Tyler C got so you know, big after that his friend became, you guys, like, think about it.

And Hannah B's friends with them too, which helped a lot. And speaking of an edit, I did a lot of recaps with this funny comedian that he always says about Tyler C about his edit. He's like, this guy said, okay, when Hannah B wouldn't sleep with him, and then we look at him like a goddamn God. We're like, she said she wouldn't sleep with him.

And he was like, okay. And then everyone thought he was like the, you know, God walking on water. So I don't, I remember coming off of Paradise now because it was filmed. I was airing during Paradise. I remember coming off of Paradise and seeing him blow up. And I was like, what is happening? Well, then he did say all the right things. That was huge.

And the reunion with Hannah, like, yeah, everything worked perfectly for that. Yeah, everything. The comedian that, that I talked to about this, he always says, like, he got the, like, the God, God touched his season. for real season or his edit or his he just got really blessed in the way things in the way things well because then remember jed the lead he ended up you know had a girlfriend like that like tyler had everything perfect he was you know it was crazy it was wild it's perfect storm perfect storm so are you excited for mad james at at least we're going to move out of lakinta because i can't freaking see that place anymore and matt's place i don't know where i can't remember where he is Nima Scola, Penesco, um, it's a nice place. It's a nice, it's in like Pennsylvania. Yeah. Oh, I saw somebody recently was in Pennsylvania and I was wondering if it was for that or not. Um, except they're done filming. I don't know, unless it's the reunion. Yeah, it looks incredible. It looks so pretty and like.

And hopefully not a lot of sweating. Yeah, it should be better. It should be better. Girls don't sweat. Like, I haven't seen Tasha sweat. I know. People are saying it's perfect. I know. It's like, people are saying it's Botox that people get it for sweating. But either way, it's like her hair isn't frizzy. I remember doing my proposal with Becca. Becca like didn't, she looked perfect. She wasn't sweating. And I was like, dying, you know, like, what is happening? Oh, my God. You beastly animal menu. Blake, thank you so, so much for coming on my podcast. And everyone go listen to your podcast behind the rose. Yes, behind the rows. And then, yeah, behind the rows on Instagram, too. And, well, I actually, well, and my Instagram is Block A.

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