Not Skinny But Not Fat - BACK BY POPULAR DEMAND: SIMON HUCK

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

Everyone’s favourite best friend- Simon Huck is back on the podcast. Simon is the funniest & nicest human alive and if you want background on how he got into this crazy life go listen to my first episode with him and then come back! Today we just chat and giggle about all things life, working with Kourtney Kardashian on Lemme, getting a dog, having a baby, and honestly just ripping on each other because that’s the most fun anyway. Enjoy!!!This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.This Mother’s Day, consider Nutrafol - the best-selling hair growth supplement. Whether you're gifting to yourself or a loved one, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off any order! Enjoy free shipping when you subscribe. Go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code NOTSKINNYGIFT.Feel the difference an extraordinary night’s sleep can make with Boll & Branch. Get 15% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets, at BollAndBranch.com/notskinny. Exclusions apply. See site for details.Head to Saks for inspiring ways to upgrade your personal style, every day. Shop saks.com.Find Simply Pop and any of its five juicy flavors by visiting us online at cokeurl.com/simplyPOP.Start earning points on rent you’re already paying by going to joinbilt.com/NOTSKINNY. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you: joinbilt.com/NOTSKINNY, to start earning points on your rent payments today.For your next trip, treat yourself to the luxe upgrades you deserve from Quince. Go to Quince.com/notskinny for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. my God. I almost moved to Florida like Bethany Frankel. First of all, let's just talk about everyone moving to Florida in general. Like, are we not going to like mention the unspoken, which is no state tax? Like, oh, we move like, come on. You know, everyone makes up like reasons why they moved. And it's like, oh, you're all moving to Austin, Texas. Like, what a, what a choice. you know, and it's like, no state tax, which still, I'm not saying it's like easy to move

to a different state. Like, you're still giving shit up. You're still like, like, I want to not pay state tax, but I'm not moving for it. You know what I mean? The people that actually make the move and you're like, oh, like, you're saving. You are making moves to save, you know. So anyway, I don't know. Oh, because I was in Florida. I just came back. La, la, la, I'm still itching my bugby. Like, I don't know how people deal with, like, these amount of bug bites. Like, they probably, like, put up tiki torches and, like, have a whole system. I was spraying, like, the most toxic bug spray on me, like, the bug bites. Like, what are you going to do?

But we're back after, like, 10 days. And I think I talked about this on an Instagram, but it was just so nice. It was so nice to make memories with the kids. I feel like only my sister will get this reference. But Courtney Kardashian always says that. She's like, and we made memories with the kids, make memories with the kids. Like, that's what I think about. But I finally get what she's talking about.

Like, I made memories with the kids. Like, I literally made memories with the kids. You know, like here, there's a whole system, you know, Monday through Friday. Noah's in school until three. I have help with Lenny during the day. Like, it's not the same as being together 24-7. And I definitely also, like, worked less. Like, there were moments where, yes, of course, I was like on email on the phone.

like doing stuff but I definitely worked less than when I'm at home so there was that and there was being together all day which really felt like like I really think like get all the help you need like I'm not judging anybody but I feel like you should be able to handle the amount of kids that you have like takes a village okay but don't have a kid that like you couldn't handle do you know what I mean like I do think that somewhere so I love the feeling of like okay like I could fucking handle two kids like if I didn't have to work like I could be with them all day and sometimes like you want to because I think I posted this which was like I just really feel like they it does so good for them like you could

have the best people around you obviously like if it's your parents if it's a nanny if it's other help but there's nothing like you being with them and just it does so good for them or maybe it's just Florida like maybe I'm just giving myself too much credit and it's like oh they just liked it in Florida. But no, I really do think vacations or being in a different place. Maybe it has to do with, like, change, environment, like, you know, exposure. But, like, literally Noah started walking. I remember when we were in L.A. one time, which, which, again, was so different to have one kid. Like, everything that I did, like, Noah came. You know what I mean? Like, then, like, I didn't have any help. It was just us. And he had to.

come like I was breastfeeding till he was like a thousand years old. Not that I have traveled yet without Lenny, which is, you know, I can't even think about that. Actually, Huss's 40th birthday is coming up and I did plan a trip for us alone. I was like, this will be like such a major gift to like be on vacation alone. We don't know what that's like. Like, we've never done it. And no, it's going to be five. So I can't wait. It sounds like a far away dream to be able to travel on our own. But, but it'll be the first time. Any tips to like leaving your kids for the first time? Imagine I'm like, finally it has happened. Anyway, in the spirit of all the vibes, okay, because we're in the vibes right now. In the spirit of all the vibes, one of my favorite people is

on the pod today is back on the pod today by popular demand. Honestly, he was on and maybe like two years ago and it's one of my favorite episodes when people are like oh I'd want to start listening to your pod I'm like no joke

like I'll never shove my pot in your face but like if you want to go on a treadmill you want to fucking laugh listen to my episode with Simon Huck like it's one of my absolute favorites so we had to do a redo he had to come back plus he loves to fucking talk about lemmy won't shut the fuck up

but he really is like everybody's favorite person for a reason because he's fun and he's kind. He's Canadian. And he's smart. Obviously, he's built this company with Courtney that he practically runs all dizzle, the millennial and me. Anyway, so he's back. He's back. And we had so much fun. So enjoy my episode. Part two. And if you want to go back to part one with Simon to just like the first part that we did two years ago is like all about him and what he did and how he started, la la, which is like hilarious. But now we're just like, catching up, shooting the shit, and it's just the best time ever.

Okay, you guys, Simon Huck is here. Again. By popular demand from no one. Encore. Uncourt. No, I love you so much. And last time I was on the floor, by the way, if you guys want to see part one, swipe up for part one of me and Simon, because we told your whole story there.

We did. Which everyone, when I'm telling you, and I swear in my life, I'm not a liar like you, when people ask me, what's an episode I can listen to, like, jump right in, get on the treadmill. I'm like, Simon. That's so, you said that after, and I didn't believe you, and that's so kind of you. I still say it till this day. That's so nice. I told Phil that I was coming on today, and he, I hadn't told him before this morning,

and he was like, who canceled? He got a sense of humor. Who canceled? Wait, was he serious? He was being serious. Yeah. That's such a you joke. I know.

It's also mean. Yeah. It's also, I mean, he was so serious about it. He was like, no, I didn't mean it like that. But like, oh, my God. You didn't tell me before. Oh, okay. Ryan Reynolds canceled.

Like, it wasn't me. He, I mean, yeah. Listen, he still pinned Ryan Reynolds. Yeah, that was a great interview. I know. You guys, deal with it. Back to my reposting, Simon, every time I post a story about things being sent to me, which, by the way, Simon, I do not post them all.

Oh. that's not possible. I do not post them all. You post at least five frames a day. Thank you so much for the hair care. And then, of course, vitamins are your favorite. Vitamins are actually my least favorite, motherfucker. I'll tell you why. Posting them. Literally. What did I tell you the other day? I said that a big brand that does supplements wanted to do a collab. And I firstly thought if that would be okay with you. Yeah. No, if that would be okay with Simon. And what did I say? You said, oh, I don't care. That's not what I said.

What did you say? It's like of all categories you need to, like, are you a wellness person? You know what isn't tracking here? Tell me. Like the Kardashians, right? Because let me, you do with Courtney. Yes. They do competitive things all the time and they don't care.

Can you learn from them? Like, good American does the everyday panty that Skims does the everyday. Okay. I mean, I get. You know, everyday jeans and she has body suits, the body suits. They both do body suits. Yeah. They're fine with that.

Yeah, well, are you a Kardashian? Are you, you are a little bit? So learn from them. Like so far adjacent, so far adjacent. Hence Phil thinking that there was a cancellation. Phil asking if there's a cancellation. No, not well. We were also talking right before because Regina just mentioned to us that she saw our interview.

Yes, love right. And I was like, I would never get a team. Remember how anti-team you were? Okay, but I'm still anti-in-in-general. Well, there's a mom. I'm sure there's a manager. There's definitely an agent. There's not a manager.

Who's doing glam and wardrobe? Me and me. Me and H&M. You're not pulling anything? Not pulling. Wow. Okay, but soon. In six months, they'll be a poll.

No, if I go somewhere big, maybe I'll like take a one off, you know? But no, but I only, I might have had an agent then to an agent. You need to do the deals. PR, I didn't believe that people like me, like needed it. Okay. But I was in my year of yes. And I was like, could get me more podcast.

press, sure. And what about TikTok? Do you want to tell them about TikTok? That I was against it and then I started it? No, you actually now invented the platform. I did not. Regina actually forced me into it because she's Gen Z. She speaks that language. And how much do you love it now? Do not love it. Really? Actually secretly hate it. Are you on it all day? Not at all. I never go on it. Do you have the login? I do have the login. Okay. Okay. But I, but I, some trends that I see, I'm like, oh, I like it. Like, I like the like, it's my anxiety. which we are doing. Yeah.

Me and you. Oh, I can't. I'm terrified of trends. We're doing it. I do my TikTok days with Courtney and like. Oh, yes. And I'm so, I'm cringe. I'm like a millennial dad.

I can't get into it. You think? I think. I mean, Courtney's like, she's so good. She's like, no, you're perfect. I'm like, did you see me? I think I love when you go out there and you do your content phase. Yeah, let me days.

We have one coming up. You do? Mm-hmm. Do you like flying there for like work and stuff? I don't mind. I used to go and spend three days and now I fly in for 12. hour. I literally go for the day and I take the red eye that night. Why? What's so urgent for you? Well, because I miss my dog and I miss my life. Oh, you're a dog person out. And the gym routine.

And like, I just miss it. And I go twice a month. So it's a lot. I did not see you as a dog person. Neither did I. Now you have a dog. I just FaceTime to you the other day and I was holding my precious baby that you ignored. Your dog. Yeah. My dog. And I was like, hi. Say hi to Lenny who's the most gorgeous thing alive. Yeah. And you said, I think it's one of those things where, because I don't have a baby, you're not like into the babies, you weren't into dogs before you found your dog. Yeah, yeah.

But I think that's the case with everything. Like I, no, I never cared about dogs before. Phil did a foster of this dog. And I wrote him, I said, just so you know, this isn't going to work for us if you keep the dog. Then I met. You wrote him, like, science he'll deliver. Oh, because he couldn't bring the dog home. He took the dog to Montau to our beach house.

Uh-huh. And I, he spent like seven days there. And I said, is it time to come home? He said, I'm going to bring the dog home for two days. Within the first 12 hours, I was. Does he shed? No, does my baby shed? No, of course he doesn't shed.

He also gets a blowout once a week. No, he does not. The vendors for this dog is insane. Wait, a blowout or a groom? Like a mini groom. Yeah. And then we watch him a little bit. I mean, he has a dog walker.

And then he goes to dog camp every day. Like, he goes outside the city to, like, the fields of Pennsylvania. Oh, you told me, wait, not every day. Every day? What if he comes back with ticks, Simon? Oh, no. Well, he gets his blowout. No, he doesn't have ticks.

And he loves it. He's just such a spoiled dog, but it feels so good to give him that love and attention. But do you feel like maybe you, because you were thinking about a baby? Yeah, the baby, I know. And now you replace it with this dog. I had to. Phil wasn't ready. Phil's younger than I am, and I felt like.

And he's younger in spirit. Oh. Like he's a few years younger, but he's actually. like spiritually. Have you seen his Instagram, upside down photos, blurry? Every time he does that, I'm like, remember I do that? That's cool. But I've never done it because I'm not cool enough to even plan to do it.

Horizontal, vertical, out of the frame, so you just see the thing. It's sick. Belt, shoes. He called my Instagram embarrassing. He said there's no vibe, there's no creative, there's no point of view. I was like, hi, nice to meet you late into this marriage. Wait, is he caring about his POV? P-O-V.

Stop. Yeah. I'm like, bye. Wait, wait. So, okay, he's way younger and vibes. He is, yeah. Right? Yeah, Phil's, yeah, feels like six years younger than I am.

Yeah. Which isn't a lot. But I think he now cares more about aesthetic and is genuinely interested in. Did you get him into like the fashion Gucci product? No, I throw money at the problem. I am not. There are some people out there, especially, I mean, maybe this is a generalization, but gay guys you just have naturally great style.

Yeah. I am not that. Really? No, I am like mannequin. Like, I go in and buy the mannequin look like the shirt, the pants, and the shoes from the same store. Wait, do you ever have somebody to help you? No, but maybe I should. I always feel like. Oh, my God, imagine you get like a groomer.

Yeah, I would. I mean, I don't do anything. This is like my biggest occasion is your podcast. But first of all, all you do is things. You are out at the corner store. Every day of the week. And you're clocking it every day of the week. You are out with, like, Instagram models.

I click their thing. I'm like, who's this model? They're like rep by IMG. How do you know every model of rep by IMG? They find me. These ladies find me. How? Honestly, I don't know.

You pretend to be anti, but you're so social. You have a million friends. No, but I think I keep like the same. I have like a very strong gay posse of like, like, no. I don't know where you're getting this model bit from. I know what you're targeting right now. And it's just so sad for you. And I pray for you every day.

Like, I know you're daggering me right now, but a particular person, but I'm going to let it go. Okay. Okay, so no, fuck. Okay, a few IMG models. But you know my gay family. Yeah, yeah. We talked about this and it is true about you.

At the end of the day, you might think Simon is this, like, fancy on a yacht, like in Capri. You've been on yachts in Capri. Right, but I'm the plus one. You're the plus one and the plus one. Yeah. But somebody needs to do a montage of you just like, like there's so many iconic moments and you're there. As the plus one.

Right. As the plus one. But you were there in those moments. You're like the traveling gnome. Yeah. No, honestly, that could be a brand of merch. Just like this gnome who's watching. What was I going to say?

Oh, that you think he's the name. this like super social out there person. Yeah. That's just hopping around with like Beyonce all day. Yeah. But like you really love your I do. I do. I do. Of first of all, every event of Simon's is like a gay pride pride. It is. You can't like walk through. No. No. It's like sweaty. It's not star set it. There's fishnet. Yeah. Like there's just like a lot of bros. I think when you would that you would think if I was

single, I'd be like, ew. You know what I mean? You have so many gays that like... No, it's like, I know. It's Phil having an affair. I know. You wouldn't know. Because it's like our friends. Your friends are all so hot. Yeah. Well, everyone's just, you know, we're in the gym. We're doing everything. I wanted to bring another gay that was on the pod. Who? I told you. Oh. I won't out him right now. God. I mean, no, he's out as gay. But like, but I wanted to bring him to one of your thing. Oh, yeah. And I said you should. And you said, because it, yeah. And I ended up seeing him on a plane the very next that you brought it up. I never even told you. You didn't tell me. Yeah. Did you say anything? No.

Nothing? Did you say anything to him? About you? Yeah. Oh, he should have. Yeah, no. So he knows. Okay. Okay. But he does know that you know that. We sat like two behind each other. Oh. Okay. Cute. Yeah. So I think a gay land or just an entertainment land, you can have friends that are like in the industry and that can be your friend friend group. Yeah. I very early on realized like that was not going to be my story. Like, I needed to have real friends that had nothing to do with, like, what I do. But you are very, like, in the industry. Yeah, I mean, you want me to be. You keep pushing me there, but I don't think I am in the, I wouldn't say I'm like, you know everybody. Yes, but you're invited

to everything. I mean, yes. Like, not the Golden Globes, but. No, literally, like, the opening of the envelope I get invited to. I would, I'm not like at the Vanity Fair party. Should be. I mean, could be. Need people. We are. Yeah. New York at the Van of Fair Party. Is there anybody in that world? Because you met everybody, been around anybody that, like, would excite you to me that you haven't yet?

That I haven't met. Mm-hmm. Probably like a Julia Roberts is just so far out of our realm. Yeah, like an OG, OG. By the way, you know how you actually taught me this. And I've mentioned this before. You've taught me a lot. Oh, God, please.

Really? Team. Is that you make me forget what I'm going to say. you fuck. Okay, well, go ahead. Okay. You've taught me because when I used to make fun of teams, ugh. Okay. You used to tell me like the most famous, most rich people don't have like these teams or do, but don't talk about them. Whereas like the influencers that we hate, we'll mention them every sentence and throw them in your face. And once you've said that to me, it made me notice it more, get the heck more, hate more. Yeah. But also Julia Roberts, because I know

what her publicist. She lives like, Shout on Marcy. Yeah. Lives like in my neighborhood. She's so cute. Julia fucking doesn't, didn't even have a nanny in her life. Yeah.

Like these are like the OGs, OGs of like, do you need to take a call? Well, a Listerine. I'm just going to have a listerine. I feel my breath is fresh, but oh my God,

this is. The last one. Yeah. Are we on a paid moment right here? This is. They don't give a fuck. No. Don't.

They don't even. Barely. I'm unread for the last two months. This isn't going to work. It's not working? It's just. it's jammed. I think I actually, this, this went into the bathtub or something. It's, it's all squished, but it's fine. I think my brain is okay. The fact that you're going to die from a

Listerine overdose. I think it's okay. What does Courtney say about the Listerine? Oh, what do you think? She thinks it's fully like not okay. Yeah. She also, I was on a Zoom with her two days ago and I had my earbuds in and she said, what are you doing? And I said, oh, I have my earbuds in. And she said, you know those are bad for your health. Yeah. Like you can only, and then I saw her have like the hardwired ones. I have hardwired too. Is that a thing? Yeah. So I'm a bit late on that. Yeah. Also, I think it's just nicer. You don't lose it as much. Like, I'm not into the look. I mean, do you keep one in like all day? Is that you? I mean, not all day, but when I'm like in an Uber or walking somewhere, like I'm, the buds are in. Yeah. You look at me like I'm an

alien. The entire city is wearing these buds. Amanda. That's just my face. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But I'm wondering, like, you're not that healthy, right? Excuse me? Are you okay? No, Courtney's this, like, organic, like, she, radioactive, whatever. Well, I wouldn't say I'm toxic. No, you're not toxic, but you're not. What does that even mean I'm not healthy?

No, no, you're not, how many diet cooks do you have a day? Oh, the, like, what are you, like, a journalist where I go for dinner with you? I have one when I go for dinner with you. I have one when I go for dinner. and I don't have alcohol. Oh, you don't have it home? No. Oh.

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Not at home for real? No, I mean, maybe on a Friday night, but I substitute Diet Coke for alcohol. That's like my treat. Which is weird. Yeah, I don't love drinking.

What it does to you? I just don't like the feeling. I hate the hangover. I love an espresso martini, but I consider that like a dessert. Oh, my God. What did you say on our first spot? This is how much I loved it because I have flashbacks. Do you remember when you told me you were, you just say,

be a stoner. Yeah. And he were like, you didn't see that for me. And then what does he say, Regina? You just saw it. Said something really funny. Let's see if you really watched it. I'm wearing a Bousier.

No, not that. Not that. He said something like, you didn't see this about me about being a stoner. And then what did you call yourself? Oh, Pablo Escobar. Yeah. No, I was. I was a heavy back in the early 2000s.

I was like a big stoner. And now you won't? Now I can't because I get, I have chronic malaise. I suffer from malaise. malaise is just general tiredness and brain fog and I have suffered from this oh for over seven years just even today do you think you have lime no I've done it all I think I just have to avoid anything bad for me really that's I'm surprised you called me unhealthy no no Listerine strips are outdated as fuck okay you actually have a line of like cookie dough you sell like are you okay I don't anymore

and it's healthy like ingredients at home everything is like organic yeah I mean not everything is organic. Courtney is definitely more on it than I am, but I, yeah, I work out every single day. Yeah. No, you're a healthy, a healthy guy. Okay, well, there's, it's changed. With some, like, we want, be relatable. Yeah. Yeah, I am healthy, but I also have, I splurge. I could see you having, like, a vape problem, but I know you don't. But, like, if you had a hit of a vape, you'd vape, you'd be vaping right now. So I had a hit of a vape on Saturday night, Friday night, and I thought I was, like, Lindsay Lowe. Like, I had the best night ever because I love

that initial hit and then you feel horrible in the morning. We'll be right back after the break. So I get asked about my neutral-full code more than any other being an influencer. Like if you don't have a neutral-full code, I'm just I just am such a proponent of it. I think it's just

such a great supplement that has all great stuff in it. But truly, when I got pregnant with No and everyone's like, wait for your hair to like shit out in the shower. So that's when I discovered Nutraful, saw that it really worked, was like, oh my God, everyone's not lying. And then when I got pregnant with Lenny, I kind of was like, okay, I'm going to start right

away on this after I give birth. And luckily, they came out by then with a postpartum formula, which is breastfeeding friendly. So I started taking that. And I'm just love it. Nutraful is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand, trusted by over one and a half million people. That's why this Mother's Day, Nutraful makes the perfect gift.

There's something for every mom on your list. The postpartum formula is great for women in the first year after giving birth. The women's balance formula is perfect for women, 45 and up, experiencing premenopause or menopause. And of course, the women's formulas are great for those who are in between life stages. So this Mother's Day, consider NutriFal. It's the best-selling hair growth supplement, whether you're gifting to yourself or a loved one, Nutraful is offering my listeners, $10 off any order, enjoy free shipping when you subscribe.

Go to Nutraful.com and enter promo code not skinny gift. Nutraful.com. That's spelled N-U-T-R-A-F-O-L.com. The promo code is not skinny gift. That's Nutraful.com promo code not skinny gift. I read a quote once that was like, you spend a thousand, 500 gazillion hours in bed, like the average person. I'm like, okay, so my bed needs to be the best. need to get the best pillows, the best bed, the bed sheets. Like, when you realize just how long and how much time you spend somewhere, like, that's when you're like, I'm going to invest.

You know, like, has makes fun of me for, like, changing the decor in my house every second. I'm like, the place that I spend the most time is my home. You want me to, like, hate it? No. So we're changing out the rug. So that goes for bed too. Like, I want to be comfortable, especially, like, I'm a hot sleeper. I need, like, those cooling sheets.

And Boland Branch has this best selling per kale sheets. And you'll never sleep hot again, you guys. They're made with special cooling weave and the finest 100% organic cotton. These sheets feel crisp to the touch, breathable to sleep in, and offer cool comfort that lasts all night, even for the sweatiest of sleepers. You've got to feel the difference cool comfort can make with Bowling Branch's 30-night guarantee. That means that if you hate it after 30 nights, guess what? They're like, no prob. Everyone else loves it.

Money back. You're going to love Bowling Branch is also a great gift and all these things are coming up, probably summer birthdays. mother's day. Like you're going to love these sheets. So it's time, you guys. Feel the difference and extraordinary night sleep can make with Boland Branch. Get 15% off plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at Bolandbranch.com slash not skinny. That's Boland Branch, B-O-L-L-L-A-N-D, branch.com slash not skinny to save 15%. Exclusions apply. See site for details. This episode is brought to you by Sacks Fifth Avenue. You guys know, I'm all about a little return. health therapy. And Sacks is basically the chicest form of that. Like, when I shop Sacks,

I'm not just scrolling. I'm curating a whole vibe. Like, I'm feeling like Cary Racha. I'm entering my rich mom era. My, I just flew back from Paris. No big deal. Energy. They have everything. Loe, Prada, Botega, Balenciaga, stod. Every brand I stock on Instagram when I want to feel inspired or when I want to spiral, but like in a chic way is there. If you, leave sacks with avenue and you leave their store with a bag like how sheke do you feel how she do you feel when you like order something from there how chic does your friend feel when you buy her a gift from there like imagine you bring her like a gift like in the store and that like you can't bring her zara like you know what i mean like step it up they have a dangerous shoe game okay sacks is where you go

when you want to have the quiet luxury moment like sophia richie vibes okay that's the aesthetic Sacks makes it so easy to find style inspiration. So whether you're shopping for a vacation, a date, an event, or just to walk around your apartment looking fabulous because you know what, that's underrated. Sacks is the move. So yeah, treat yourself. You deserve it. Go to Sacks.com and elevate your life, your closet, your vibe.

Sacks is the destination for luxury fashion. And now you know, shop sacks.com. Hi, lovelies. I'm sex educator, Ruby Rwhip. And I'm Megan Barton Hansen, an only fan's creator, former sex worker and sex positive columnist. In our brand new podcast, The Inns and Out, we're welcoming you to an unfiltered, playful and inclusive space to talk all about sex in all its glory, nuance and messiness. I feel like we're the sex education people need. We'll unpick all the big questions, like how do we talk about kings and fantasies, does stress kill the vibe?

Oh, and does wearing socks actually lead to better orgasms? So come on in. Listen or watch wherever you get your podcasts. It's going to be juicy. And we're back. Let's talk about Lindsay Lohen for a second. I've been wanting to say something on Instagram.

I haven't said it yet. She's incredible. That she looks so good now and stuff. It's amazing. However, what's so funny to me, people can be so condescending. I got this message. And I know people mean well,

but sometimes well-meaning people can sound condescending. Yes. Because somebody said to me like, ugh, she's finally sober. Like, look, and I'm like, Did she come out and say she's sober that everyone's deciding? No, I don't think she did. She's sober.

No. I guarantee you. She came into hiding, though, to be fair. I think that's what people are referring to. Like, maybe she's off, like, we know she had rehab days. But, like, I definitely think she's, like, having a glass of sanzar at dinner, you know? Oh, I think she's definitely having wine. Yeah.

And she lived in Dubai for how many years. She was off the grid. There's no paparazzi or band there. So there was no kind of evidence of her for five years. Right. And she popped back up, you know, with an incredible husband. Yeah, you know her husband? A lot of people know him.

I hear that he's incredible. I've heard this too. Yes. Oh, so I've heard Bader, his name is I think. Yeah. And I've heard that like he's not to give a man the fucking, you know, credit because obviously she's amazing before him, but that he really kind of like is a great guy that helped her kind of come back in this way. Yeah.

I don't know that personally, but I agree. But I will say that. that to me it's a cultural phenomenon to see the universe rally for someone versus not rally. Yeah, yeah. And you've seen stuff in your day. But Lindsay Loan is one of those people.

Yeah, she's an icon. Where, no, but I'm telling you, like, the chatter is like, people are rooting for her. Rooting, rooting, rooting. Nobody will say Christmas Times 2 was bad. No, it was amazing. The Irish flip a script. Freaky Friday.

All of it. Like, I'm like, I had to remind people at one point, like, you know, movie star, but it's not like she was in like Oscar. Do you remember when she had that show on Oprah Winfrey's network, own? Remember? She had a reality show. Own? Wasn't it called own? I didn't know that.

Yeah. Or whatever it was called. Yeah, she had a reality show on. Oh, with the fam. Yeah. Oh, I loved it. It wasn't even the fam. She was living.

No, no, no. She was living in Soho and she had a reality show. Really? Are you okay? I know with the fam. I don't. You keep saying the family was really, she was living alone. I mean, maybe the mom was on it.

Do you know? I'm tired of a rumor started. Is it? I'm sick of being followed. Yeah. I'm tired of people lying insane. Are you okay? No, so people, I agree.

Lindsay's having a renaissance and it's not going anywhere. And I think we also, we do this in pop culture where we build someone up. We take them down. We love the takedown. I wonder. happening right now. And by the way, I thought Blake, speaking of takedown, I swear, and if I look in my archives,

you will see two things that I said about her. One, that she was like untouchable. Like, she's one of those people that you couldn't say anything bad. She'll be like, she's amazing. She's the most gorgeous. She's, you know. Yeah, America's sweetheart. Yeah.

And what I used to say about her, which I think is still funny is I used to say, can you believe Blake styles herself? And then I would answer myself and be like, yeah, I got. Yeah. Because that was all the rage, like, if she sells her, that she sells herself. But I think it's, like, pretty evident that she does. Yeah. She has her own thing going.

But never in my life would I've ever thought that the world would come crashing down on Blake, choose to see the worst fucking killer. Yeah, I mean, this is the perfect storm of so many different things. And a generation on TikTok who are basically private investigators. Literally. So they're really deconstructing lawsuits in a way. I mean, that never, can you imagine people looking at like 180 pages of like litigation and then being able to craft a two-minute video summarizing that?

Like, that's the era that we live in. So it's the era. It's a scary era. Yeah. But maybe I wonder, because a lot of people say that like canceling is over and stuff, but then you're like, it's not like canceling. I think there are two parts to this. Right.

It's like there is canceling for real where you can't get a job. Right. And no studio would work with you. No one would hire you. Which is not happening there. Which is not happening. And there is online canceling, which is like everybody hates you. Right.

And there are two things because, for example, Amy Schumer that I fucking love, you can't post a video of her without everyone being like, she's not funny, right? But like, she's doing amazing. She fucking came out with a new movie. Should I say that I was supposed to be in it again? Yeah, you told me. Yeah. That got to number one on Netflix.

Like, they live separately. They live separate. And Anne Hathaway has a really, she's a great comp to this. Remember when she, well, she did comma, and she also was a host at the Oscars years ago with, what's his name? I forget his name. And it was a really bad hosting.

It just didn't work for her. And she was somewhat canceled. Hath a hate. Remember? Yeah. It was awful. It was so mean. And then she has now come back as the Princess Diaries we all know and love.

Yeah. It's a renaissance like I've never seen. I love that we can talk about this the way we can right now. The sad part for you guys is you will never hear. hear the real fucking tea. Meaning like, meaning that we can get down and dirty and spill it. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, yeah. Yeah. But we don't want to, we don't want people to be that upset. If you want to, if you want to share an example, I'm happy to share an example too, but I'm not going first. No, we're not sharing examples. I'm just saying that I love gossiping with you. Yeah.

Oh. Like to the nines. To the. You're my fave to gossip. You have such a niche. I know, I just called you with such good gossip. Yeah. Like a week ago.

Do you remember that? It was such a gift. It was a Christmas gift. A Hanukkah gift. Sometimes you over, you overrate your gossip. Whoa. Was this an example of that?

I don't remember. You were foaming at the mouth for this, for this tea. The thing about me is like, and this is why, you know, a lot of people interview people, a lot of people talk about what's happening in pop culture, movies. reality TV celebrities. Yeah. I actually, where are the cameras, care.

Like, I don't care that I can't tell it ever. Yeah. I don't care. I fucking want to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, live for it. It's funny because teams, I just signed with, I was at one agency

and I just moved. And the guy that I signed with is like such a character and so crazy. But I told him some things that I know. And he was like, how do you know? Like he's, really stayed with him till this day. He's like, how are you in

on the most niche shit? Yeah. And I'm like, because I fucking... You were like Simon Huck. Yeah. Give the source. Yeah. It's not even what you think it is.

I know you think this is about you. Okay. I don't. It's not. Joking, you mad woman. You're so unhinged this morning in your new fancy studio. Do the viewers know how rich you are? H&M Blazer.

Alohas, which are cute, by the way. But it was an upgrade. We were in a tree house before. Okay, don't come for me. We were in a tree house before. Let's talk about your house. It was on 80. Oh, online.

There's a difference. There is a difference. Okay. Did you get an offer? Did you like, how does it work? By the way, your house is amazing. Okay, thank you. Would be my dream house.

Yeah, we and I don't care. But yeah, yeah, there's, yeah, no, there's a difference. A.D. Inbook is very prestige and has to be shot by the right photographer and blah, blah, blah. It's kind of a thing. And then online is like, this studio is online. This plant is living online. Did it mean a lot to you? It didn't mean a lot to me. I think our interior designer who we've worked with for 10 years, like she wanted it and she thought it'd be great and like Phil thought it was cool. And yeah. That's a big moment. Would you ever leave that apartment? The New York. Yeah, of course.

You would? Yeah, we're the type of couple that likes to move every five years. To a different, do you think you would stay in the city? Stay in the city, but different home. We'd love renovating and designing. Yeah? And yeah, it's like where Phil and I thrive. Like, Phil could be a realtor.

He's on Zillow all day long. He's sending Courtney Zillow listings as we speak. For what? Oh, properties all across the United States. But why do Courtney? For her to buy? For her to look at, opinions, thoughts, vibes. Are they on the same vibe?

They're on that they have great. Phil has great real estate taste. Really? And Courtney loves real estate. Yeah. Yeah. So. That's cute.

Yeah, Phil. So when is the five years up? Oh, we have two more years at this place. Yeah. And you're actually going to start thinking about it. I don't know if we're actually going to, I mean, we have to figure out we want to do with the baby first. To know if you need more bedrooms. Yeah.

Like, are we going to have this baby? Are we not? And I think Phil's just, it's really in Phil's court. I'm ready to have the child. Okay. What was the. eye roll. No, yes, but I feel like maybe you're a little bit like projecting it on to Phil. I just need him to be like, I'm ready to be Mother Goose. I know. I really thought he

would like, yeah. No, he's too into vibes. He needs a few more years with like the IMG models. I mean, the pictures are horizontal. Yeah, the pictures are horizontal. Like they're upside down. They're blurry. Like they're mood boards. You guys would be so fucking cute though. He'll be the best I mean, I feel so lucky because Phil truly is like I'm obviously the devil. But Phil is such a kind soul. Like, he's better than all of us. And you are such a kind soul. You're Canadian. Duh. Yeah, duh. Has to be. Okay. Let's be annoying and do some fun cues. Okay. Oh, God. Okay. Speaking of you being on every, like, the traveling gnome, what was like the best vacation you ever took? That I ever took. I would say, okay, so two trips come to mind. One was

Iceland. I loved Iceland. Was that with the Kardashians? That was with the girls, like 10 years. years ago. I mean, Iceland? Like, that's on my list, and I don't even like to travel. Have you watched this, Roney? No, I have not. You don't watch any? No, I watched Salt Lake. Oh, really? Those women deserve Emmys. Virginia always tells me I have to watch it. You don't watch Salt Lake. Oh, well, you're not well. Salt Lake is on a level that you can't even. Stop. They're all perfect. Okay. Yeah, I miss Jen Shaw. I miss all of it. Yeah, okay. I'll do it. Okay. And then the Beverly Hills I watch like while I'm on the phone. Like Salt Lake I, the phone is away. Stop. What else are you watching now? Honestly, that's it. Like in terms of binging show, that's it. Are you watching that show

adolescence? I just watched it. Oh, was it so good? Oh, you posted it. No, I didn't post it. Oh. No, that's another one of your followers. No, I didn't post it. But it's, it's just dark. But it's incredible. I know. It looks really good. We'll be right back after the break. exciting day everybody simply has launched a new prebiotic soda you guys know that i love sodas and i love ones that come with a little something extra it's not just good but there's a prebiotic in it right so simply pop is the new juicy soda there are five flavors pineapple mango yum yum yum lime lime lime strawberry citrus punch yum yum and fruit punch this is made with real fruit juice simply pop supports gut health

important and has six grams of prebiotic fiber, no added sugar, and is sweetened with juices monk fruit extract. This supports immune health with zinc plus vitamin C. Amazing. Simply Pop is flavor that pops. See what all the fizz is about. Simply Pop is the new juicy soda that happens when you combine the delicious real fruit flavors of Simply with six grams of prebiotic fiber to support gut health. Go to Coke URL.com slash Simplypop to find out where you can try Simply Pop. Find Simply Pop and any of its five juicy flavors by visiting them online at CokeURL.com slash simply pop.

That's Coke, C-O-K-E-U-R-L dot com slash simply S-I-M-P-L-O-P. you guys stop right now because you know I'm here to guide you in life to influence you and I'm going to say that up up the top up up on the front okay and be real with you this influenced moment you're just going to thank me for changing your life okay so this is for anybody who rents if you haven't heard of built you're going to thank me you guys because now you can earn points on a rent if you pay your rent through belt so you don't even have to check with your landlord so don't worry about that you can start earning points by paying your rent and use that towards flights hotel stays fitness classes

and even for your next rent payment let me break it down for you so there's no cost to join built and as a member you're going to earn points on rent and on your everyday spending as well and you can transfer those points to your favorite hotels and airlines and even the ones you haven't heard of there are over 500 airlines and 700,000 hotels and properties around the world that you can redeem your built points towards points can also be redeemed towards a future rent payment and unique experiences that only built members can access so why aren't you earning points on rent you guys start earning points on rent you're already paying by going to joinbilt.com not skinny that's join built j-o-i-n-b-b-l-t.com slash not skinny make sure you use my URL so they

know I sent you join build dot com slash not skinny start earning points. on your rent payments today. You guys, I cannot wait to go away for spring break or Passover or Easter or whatever. So, of course, the minute you book a vacation, you start stressing out about your vacate fits, but here's the tea. I know where to go and I know where I'm getting all the vacay fits that I need. And this year, it's happening at Quince. Because I deserve Quince's high quality apparel, but also there's.

travel essentials at fair prices. So they have lightweight European linen styles from 30 bucks. They have washable silk tops. They have comfy lounge sets. Also, they have premium luggage options and stylish tote bags to carry it all. The best part, all Quinn's items are priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands. By partnering directly with top factories, Quince cuts the cost of the middleman and passes the savings on to you. So things I love by Quince. By the way, I have a Quince bed. Okay, that's where I found I have a gorgeous, like, linen bed.

I didn't get the suitcases yet. I need to buy them because I don't have suitcases right now. They have everything. Cute little cardigans. Love that for us. For your next trip, treat yourself to the lux upgrades you deserve from Quince. Go to quince.com slash not skinny for 365 day returns plus free shipping on your order. That's Quince, Q-U-I-N-C-E.com slash not skinny.

to get free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com slash not skinny. And we're back. Okay. Who would you want to be stuck on an island with? Like in general? No, let's do Kardashians. Yeah, not you. Really?

Oh, no, you would turn on me. Can you imagine? You would take my coconut. Okay. Okay. Not you. Chloe. Chloe, Chloe.

Chloe. Yeah, Chloe, Chloe. Go to a party with. Chloe. Yeah. She's just so social. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Drink macho with.

I mean. Yeah. Five tubs of maple. Yeah. Yeah. I just have to say when I did, when Courtney was on the pod and we did it at her house. Such a good pod. So it's so fun.

200 degrees. Two. You were dripping. The fact that I didn't faint. Yeah. It was a heat I've ever seen. It was a heat stroke outside with the fucking heat stroke inside, 80 degrees. fire pit, fire thing, her in latex.

Yeah. Her sweating from the wrist is something I will never forget and being like, oh. Literally like ex machina, like no. But on the face, perfect. On the face, like not even a pore. No, all of a sudden she's like, there's sweat coming from my wrist. Yeah. You were so, that was such a, you were amazing.

That was a great pod. It was so fun. Yeah. Yeah. Because Courtney and I vibe, you know? I think also did get Courtney in a place where she can feel comfortable for an hour. She doesn't do podcasts. Love her.

And then we got the salads. and I ate it with a ton of ranch while she got it with like a splash of olive oil. Yeah, love health nut. And I was just fattening it up by myself with the bacon. But what I wanted to say is that I drink so many machas because they keep pouring it at that house

like at a diner in New York, the coffee. Not anymore because she's breastfeeding, but yeah. Oh. Yeah, but it's amazing. And you fly. The caffeine level is through the roof. And then I took a lemmy fucking macha. Oh, thank you.

And then I topped it off. That's my favorite. Okay. Watch movies with. Maybe Courtney? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I don't think I've watched a movie with her, though. I feel like Kim. Yeah. She gets like the Spider-Man before it comes out and shit. She does, but I think she's like, she's really into daylight. She's into, like, crime documentaries, Kim. Uh-huh. So I don't think she's really into, like.

Watching movies? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Who's the best text her? Kim. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. faster than you can even imagine. Faster than, like, anyone. Whose closet would you want to steal? I mean, Kim's.

Yeah. Yeah. Right? Most likely to move out of California, Courtney. She's already gone. Most likely to delete all social media get rid of their phone, Courtney. Like, she's not with us.

Yeah. Would you ever, you know what I was thinking about today, would you ever do a tell-all memoir? Are you insane? No. Really? No. Never.

Like industry. Oh, there's so much to tell. I know. But in telling, I think the memoirs I've seen, in telling you burn through so many of those relationships. Because some of that stuff was shared, not just in like a business perspective, but on a personal. Right. So you burn those bridges.

And a lot of those secrets or information is like their, it's their story. It's not really my story. Right. But it is, it's good. Yeah, it's really good. Would you do a skim's collab? I mean, I need to get to, yeah, I'd have to, like, to have 100 chicken breasts and, like, tons of protein.

Yeah, I mean, maybe. Patrick, Patrick looked insane. Insane. Let me. Did you guys ever think of doing, like, those kinds of collabs? With, like, sister brands? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think we...

Not with sister brands, with, like, hot celebs of the moment or something. Yeah, we have something coming relatively soon. Yeah? Yeah. With, like, someone that we are... Yeah, with someone that you may know. Okay. Yeah.

So is that going to start, like, can you give us another hint? It's for, it's the first thing we've ever done with someone else. It's not like in the fam because you did, you did Chloe. Yeah. And I think you are going to text me faster than you've ever texted me. Well, I better know before the day before is on me. Yeah. Oh, I can. I mean, who could trust you. Yeah. Teams. Yeah. Teams. Yeah. Teams. Yeah.

Wait, how many years has it been for Lemmy? Lemmy? It's three years. And then before that, Courtney, you work and I, were working on it for three years. So it's, like, six years. Yeah. I remember the fucking, do you remember I was in L.A. for the opening party, Lemueland? Yeah, it was fun.

That was so fun. It was the very beginning. Yeah. And like, look at you guys now and Alta and fucking everything. Yeah, in Target, yeah. And Amazon. But like, huge. It's been, it's like your baby and you dream it and you wish it and you put so much effort

and love into it. And obviously, you know, Courtney and I had never done, like, a business together. So there was a lot of, I'm sure she had anxiety about it. Who came to who? I was talking to her about various ways for her to do it on her own. And then a year into it, she said, wait a minute, why am I not doing this with you? Uh-huh. And that was our moment.

And then the next day, we started working on it. So what is it like working with her? Like, how, because people say don't mix business and friendship. So she is, I mean, you get this from her when people are like, she's so unbothered, but she's unbothered in the things that matter. So when you think about our formulations and our ingredients, she could memorize, she knows every single ingredient, every single one of the product. She cares about that. She really cares, like, like, cares in the best way. But then, like, two years ago, four million dollars of Lemmy was stolen off of a truck. Did I ever tell you this?

It was, it was kind of, it was a big deal. It was like, and there was a ransom. It was a whole thing. It became a whole thing. And I am type A. And I am type A. I was really upset about it. And I called Courtney to kind of inform her of where we were with the lawyers, the police, like every, the FBI. I mean, it was a full investigation. She was so calm. She didn't care. She cared, but she asked the right question. She said, okay, well, we'll deal with it. Yeah. And then that made me, I was like, okay, take it down. If she's okay, I'm okay. So she, that unbothered approach is incredible. And we have worked, we really, truly, it's not like one of those things where I'm like, we're great. Like, we are great. We are great.

partners together. So you never had like a. No. I mean, I'm sure she's been frustrated when I'm like, I need you to go on, not skinny, not fat. Like I'm sure, I'm sure there's moments where she's like, oh, do I need to? But she never voices that to me. Yeah. It's been amazing. It's been amazing. And you work really hard for people that think that he's just like, you know, chilling. No, I'm, yes. No, he, you're 20, this is your like baby, you're 24 seven. And I'm operationally in the business. Like Courtney's the face of the business. She's also in the business. But I'm like a co-ceo of the business. I'm, you know, running the business. The goal is to sell it one day, no? I would say the goal is to grow the business. And, yeah, I mean, if we ask Courtney, I don't

think she would say the goal is to sell the business, but the goal is to grow the business and like find a home for it. But like, Poppy just sung and dead. Yeah, which is huge. That's like a dream. Yeah, Pepsi. Yeah. Pepsi. Courtney would be like, I am not aligned. Yeah, I am not aligned with a Pepsi buyout, right? Yeah, no, she's, she's so motivated. She's not motivated the way that you would think, like, a star would be motivated. Like, how do we grow it and sell it quick?

Like, she's, she's much, I'm like that too. Yeah, you are actually. Like I'm, and I always felt like she was the most, I'm not her vibe of like, I'd never want to work again. Yes. I'm, but I, but, but I am her vibe in that Monday. isn't the biggest motivator for me. And it shouldn't be.

And the businesses that are successful are people and founders who start businesses not for a task rat. Because you, I think you can feel it. And she's all about vibe in terms of like working with business partners and like everything that we do. So if she gets on the phone with someone,

she's not feeling it. Yeah, she's like, I just don't think this is the right partner for us. And I'm like, but they went to this and they did this. They have 10 years of experience. And honestly, I don't think this at the, the time, but now I think it, she's right. She's always right. I'm like, you were right about that. Because it ends up being about the vibe. Yeah. Remember that thing she was going to do that was going to

yeah. And she didn't do it. And now she's like, thank God I didn't do it. And I'm like, oh. I also said, I also agreed with that. Yes. Well, you had your own opinion. Yeah. So remember there was the not Courtney chat? Yeah. There was some drama, not drama with you, but it was like a assignment on it. There was like a moment. Yeah, but people thought that I was on yeah. And I had to clear the air. This was your first. It was kind of like Simon, because maybe Kim even said I can't remember, but it was, but maybe

people thought that you were on it. I think people thought maybe I was on it and I was definitely not on it. I think in the end it was just her sisters. It was everyone but Courtney with her family. Right. But that was during like all the Dolce stuff and all that drama. Yeah. It was just like so... But now does, because you're

kind of friends with the Whole fam because you're, you also have this extra layer with Courtney. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like now there's this extra, like you're not only friends with Kim. Yeah, she's my business partner. She's your business partner and friends. And best friend.

Like we speak outside of Lemmy, we speak, you know, 20 times a day. Oh, yeah? Yeah. That's so crazy that you like, that you navigate both. And we say, we do, we've never even talked about this. Yeah. But we separate the conversation. Meaning like, she never asks about Lemmy in the same breath that we're having a personal

conversation. Uh-huh. So our lemmy calls. Oh, my God. Because I'm like, let's talk about Lemmy. Like, she, she completely separates our personal relationship with our, which I think is really smart. It is. It is. But yeah, but I feel like at the end of the day, if you'd have to, like, you'd have to go with business partner, you know? Yeah. And like a fight or something.

Are you trying to get this at it? Like, what do you try to get? What do you want for your PR? I'm saying. Like, where is a line? Like, what's happening? No, because I literally just thought of it. It's not even in my notes. Okay. I can't believe you have not skinny, like, do you love it? Yeah, this is, this, well, this is the, I was talking about. I also should have Mike flags, but they don't fit on this. We need to figure it out.

Reg, figure this out. Wait, so, do you take all the lemies? Like, you can't take all the lemies every day. Well, I don't take lemmy per, obviously. Okay. So let's start there. So, what's your day? What's your lemmy day?

Okay, so right now, my stack, I took a lemmy wake up before seeing you because, hello. Yeah. I took a lemmy sleep last night because I needed to be resting for today. By the way, let me sleep for people that have sleep issues. Right, Regina, you take, like, conks are out.

like, she buys them. I didn't even give her any. That's so sweet. Thank you. That is like our number one compliment is that normally melatonin, even for me, can make your dreams a little, but this one does not. Oh, good. Yeah, so I take, and then I take DBLO because I just like eat weird stuff.

And I've actually, and now I'm taking number two. Oh, that just came out. Yeah, it just came out. Let me number two. I've checked my mail. I've checked my mail. No, it's coming. Okay.

I brought you some. Okay. Oh, good. Number two. So what does number two do? It's a fiber gummy. So it's a probiotic fiber gummy. So it helps with regularity, digestion, gut health issues, all of it. I do, like, personally, I like the gummies more than the capsules. I feel like that's Lemmy's, like, that's Lemmy's home. That's our home. I mean, our capsules do really well. When do you have to decide to do a capsule, like when you cannot formulate into a gummy? We can't fit it into a gummy. And then some things just don't make sense in a gummy. Like, the dose is just too high. but I don't do capsules at all.

And Courtney is 70% capsule. By the way, Courtney takes not just lemmy. I mean, her supplement stack outside of breastfeeding is like 25 supplements today. I always ask Simon when you, there's a new lemmy. I'm like, can I take it? Yeah, and I'm like, you don't ask you're not going to ask her. You always ask me and I'm like, I'm not supposed to say. But you would literally be like, yeah, take it.

Yeah. I do want to say that I am very lax about that as a breastfeeding mom. I think Courtney is crazier. Like, I'd be drinking, like, Macha coffee. Oh, she doesn't do. I drink alcohol. Like, I have a cigarette, yeah. Okay.

But I, but I don't believe. And there are a lot of studies, like, things, for things to get into breast milk, I'm not a doctor, it's hard. It's hard. And if there is any, it's usually tiny traces of it. And you're like, okay, you could have some, you know, but, but there are, is there stuff that's, there's like, lemma mama. Yeah, there's lemma prenatal. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I don't take that. Yeah. Yeah. So we were at the sleep. Let me wake up. And then that's it for now. Depending where I am, like, I'll bring a lemmy chill to L.A.

I alternate. I mean, Phil takes them off. Let me chill, by the way. I took it. And it is, what? I have something. This is what happens when I put the eyeliner. I can't believe you did your glam yourself.

Looks great. Yeah, because I don't do glam. I'm still the same fucking bitch. Okay, with PR. Okay. Cancel the PR. Cancel the PR. Yeah, the same fucking bitch.

Tell the people that I'm the same bitch. You are the same, but with a little bit more team. Yeah, you are the same, but more team. But by the way, you needed team. You can't do it all yourself. Right, you can't do it all yourself. And also, I've been saying this since day one. I'm going to say it again for Reg.

The fact that you don't do one of those like town hall, whatever they're called. Live shows. Live shows. The fact that you, your dream is to do a live show? No, first of all, ew. Second of all, I just think you're so fun and people would love it. And I've been to those live shows. I know.

That's your community. You know that I'm like anti until I'm not. And then it's three years later. You're on a flyer. It's, and then it's long gone. Yeah. No,

I see you. So there are brands that do like stuff kind of to get views at the end of the day. Like they'll do brand trips. This is a business question. So they'll do the brand trips, like the poppy, the tarts. They'll do the brand trips. They'll do something dramatic for people to then talk about. Then they get a lot of press about and a lot of TikToks and green screens and whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you think about as a business owner, like that kind of side of doing stuff? So not necessarily our, not our strategy, but I understand why they do it. I think it's hard to cut through the noise. I sometimes find it hard to understand, though, if, like, there is controversy or if there is this trip and no one's talking about the product, but they're talking about, like, how negative the trip was or, in some cases, like, over the top. Like, is it good?

How that translates to, like, the efficacy of your product. Right. Like, Lemmy does. well on social media because people get on social media and talk about, like, oh, my God, I slept so well or, oh, my God, this relaxed me so much. Or like, they talk about, like, what it does. Yeah. So I don't, I sometimes wonder, like, when these brands spend all this money on a, on a trip, I'm like, are you getting anything out of it? Clearly, they are or they wouldn't keep doing it. You know what it reminds me of, which, like, I don't know. This is my world,

because my world is, like, podcast, right? So in the podcast world, we know now, it used to be just audio, which I actually love. I love that podcasts are audio that you could just talk, whatever. And I think that's where most of my people are, whatever. But obviously you do the clips and either do the TikToks, whatever, like as if to promote it. But here's like an exception. So SmartList, which is a, I love them. Like I love the bros. You know the pros? No. It's Will Arnette, Jason Bainman and Sean. Yes. So they do it. And they're like not on social media. They don't have like the YouTube. like Sean sometimes posts like the audio with like a picture. Okay.

And if you'd see it, you'd be like, does anybody listen to this podcast? Yeah. However, like people listen to the podcast, the product is good. This is where I'm getting to. So they do no video. Yeah. So at the end of the day, or like TikToks or clips or any of that stuff. But people are listening because the product is good.

So that's what I'm saying. At the end of the day, Lemmy could do the, like you could do the cute stuff with cord and fly to LA. Yeah. At the end of the day. Yeah. It's the product. It's the product.

Yeah. Because I think when you think of celebrity. brands in general, like, yes, maybe if maybe a customer will try a product once because they hear that someone's attached to it. Right. They're not going to try it twice. Like, they're not going to try it twice. Consumers are. Why do you think that celebrities keep doing these brands? Like, are there teams, pushing it on them? Yeah, they're teams. They're teams. They're teams. And I think there's this dream when you hear of like the George Clooney's and the Kylie Jenner's who sold businesses. I think that like that sticks in their mind. That could be you. Yeah. And by the way,

when celebrities are meeting with their managers and agents, like they're saying, oh, should I start a brand? Yeah. I've always wanted to start, like, Homer. I've always wanted. So the conversation starts, and then, like, the trains left the station

before you actually think, do you really want to be a Brown founder? Right. It's a ton of work. And if you don't, because I feel like there are a ton of, like, celebs who've started brands that it's like not, it's not there.

No, it's not there. And even though they have 100 million gazillion followers and fans, like, it doesn't. You can. A successful brand can't adopt a celebrity's community into a brand community. Like, that doesn't work. Like, you need to build a brand. It's own.

It's own. Yeah. It's own. That's hard. It's hard. Yeah. You see some people who have been very successful. Like, at this point, people aren't even buying Lemmy because of Courtney.

No. Yeah. No. They're buying it because they like the product. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. And the same would be said about skims or rare beauty.

Right. Like rare is, you know, people who are shopping at Sephora and picking up a blush. Right. Like, they're not thinking, oh, this is, I'm supporting my. Selena, they're thinking this is an incredible product. Right, which isn't the same for Ariana Grande's, REM. Sorry? R&M.

Oh, RIM, yeah. Yeah. And Ariana Grande is fucking huge. Yeah, you know, didn't happen for her. Not that we need to feel about it. She has a gazillion things going. Yeah, and I think it's still happening for R&M. Yeah.

But it's not like, you know, didn't take off that way. Love you. This is, I hope I was, I hope I gave you. You could come on every single day. Oh, God, don't say it. Why? I'll come every day. I'll come every day.

Forever. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocheroo. Thank you guys so much for listening.

And I'll see you next Tuesday. Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.