Not Skinny But Not Fat - Barbie Ferreira is Not A Background Actress

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

We discuss her insane Oscars moment, Paris Fashion Week, and how she feels about the constant “body transformation” headlines. We talk about growing up between Harlem, Queens, and Jersey, being Tumblr famous before influencing was even a thing, and how that led to modeling and her breakout Aerie campaign. Then obviously we get into Euphoria (the rumors around her exit and whether she’ll watch season 3, which is premiering at the same time as her two new projects that she’s leading: indie rom-com Mile End Kicks and horror remake Faces of Death.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episodeVisit yasso.com/AMANDA to enter and upgrade your freezer! Find full giveaway details,rules, and regulations. Yasso awarded as product coupons. No purch necessary. Open to 50 US/DC, 18+. Ends 11:59pm ET 4/30. Rules: Yasso.com/AMANDAGet started today at stitchfix.com/NOTSKINNY and get 20% off your first order when you buy five or more items.Go to littlespoon.com/NOTSKINNY30 and enter code NOTSKINNY30 for 30% off your first orderFor a limited time, save 40% on your first month at ritual.com/NOTSKINNYShop Minnow's new apre-ski capsule collection at shopminnow.com and enter code MEETMINNOW15 at checkout to receive 15% off your first order.Secure 20% off your order and begin your intentional wellness journey today at piquelife.com/notskinny Right now, Merit Beauty is offering our listeners their Signature Makeup Bag with your first order at meritbeauty.comHead to wayfair.com April 25th through the 27th to shop Way DayProduced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hello, hello, hello, hello. How's everybody doing? Happy Tuesday or whatever day that you are listening. I hope everyone's doing well. We just got back to New York last night.

Damn, L.A. was good this time, you guys. L.A. was so good. The weather was perfect, but I think it's like always perfect, which is obviously a plus for Los Angeles. Plus, like, we've usually stayed, like, at a hotel or apartments when I'm in L.A. or when I went with the family. And this time I was like, let's do an Airbnb. Like, let's take a house and, like, really kind of get the vibes, get the feel. So we rented a house in the hills. And like, I'm like, oh, my God. Like when I saw the Airbnb, I was like, this is gorgeous. But I don't know. With Airbnb, I always keep my expectations low. I mean, with everything in life I do. And I'm like, okay, it's not going to be like as beautiful as it looks, right? Like something's going to be off. Like, it can't be just like the pictures.

And then, damn, it was just like the pictures. It was beautiful, like the view of the hills and the pool and the just, just gorgeous, like driving up that road from sunset to the hills and seeing all. all of L.A. It's just like very different, very different. And my cute, cute immigrant husband, who he was in the pool with Noah, like honestly 24-7. So he's showing Noah the view. And he goes, Noah, look here.

There are no tall buildings, no, no buses, no cars, no whatever he was saying. And he was like, just nation. And then Noah goes, Abba, nature. and we died. Like, we were hysterical, so cute, so funny when Noah corrects him. So we just had the best time. We really did. And, like, you know, I was nervous about the kids because I did say after we flew to

Miami a few months ago, and Lenny was so awful on the flight. It was like the worst flight of my life. I was like, Lenny's not flying until he's 17. And then obviously spring break comes up and you're like, want to do something. And he was already so much better than he was in December. First of all, December could have been a fluke. like you're not going to have a terrible flight every time you fly with kids. This was so much better.

Like, he's already like could watch an iPad, which is a huge step in the right direction. So he's like either iPad snacking or sleeping. And yes, part of the time he could be a little, like I like to call it, a hot dog on a fucking grill, like rolling around in your arms and you're flailing. The feeling that I hate the most in the world is like feeling frantic and feeling, is that the, is that the, like, you know, Is it frantic the word? It might be another F word. Like, just all over the place when you're with kids. Like, I'm in the airport.

I'm trying to push a suitcase. Lenny's in my arms. He's rolling around like the hot dog on the grill. Noah is running and you have to chase after him. You're sweating. You're schweitzin. You're flailing. You're frantic and the other F word that I can remember.

And you're fucking something else. And if you remember it, DME. Anyway, but it was still so much better than last time. And it made me, like, confident. like, okay, could get so much better. Anyway, so great. Now we're back in New York, back in the grind. Actually, I feel like I do have like a busy couple months coming up, which I can be positive

about and be like, thank you for all the opportunities and the good and the fun stuff. And I love it. And there's the other part of me, which I'm sure a lot of you will relate to, that having a lot of things coming up can feel really heavy and really stressful and really like, I just want to get through it. I want to be on the other side of it. What I have coming up? Okay.

So I have something coming up. This is a surprise. You don't know yet. I know, but it's going to be so exciting. Then I have Netflix as a joke, May 8th, live show in L.A. If you didn't get tickets yet, get them. I think they're a link in my bio. It's going to be an L.A. live show, surprise guests, fun, games, pod of BTS,

like, P& Your Pants, Get Together. You're going to love it. That's for L.A. folks. Then we have Dear Media Media. the fun live show in New York, and that's May 16th, I believe, should also be in my bio, and lots of other stuff going out.

Pods, fun, life. Now let's get into today's episode. So excited about this guest. She is really amazing, an amazing career she's had so far, and she's only 29 years old. It's Barbie Ferreira. Barbie was in one of the biggest shows

in our history in pop culture, Euphoria. She was on season one and two. she famously left after season two. We talk about that as well. Season three is coming out now. It is not with her, but she has two of her own projects coming out this month,

which we talk about. And she is so fun and so great. And I loved getting to know her in this conversation. We talk about it all. So I hope you enjoy. Lindsay Lohan. I know.

Have you met her? No. I would remember that. And also like we're like Lindsay and I were like 10 years older than you. Lindsay and I, And me. Lindsay and I, darling.

Lindsay and I. Well, now she's looking. She's looking like she's younger than me. Right. She's in her 20s. She's looking great. No, she looks great. We need to investigate.

What the heck? I think we know what it is, but. We did investigate. We did. We didn't reach a solilo. Yeah, yeah. We want to know the exact coordinates to the person. Hi, Barbie.

Hello. Do people do that to you? Yeah. Hi Barbie. Hi Barbie. Hi Barbie. Or like. Or, oh, I was thinking of Aqua.

Remember that band? No. Oh, my God. Oh, the Barbie song. The Barbie girl's song. I just turned by your youngness. Yeah, the Barbie song. Of course I know Aqua.

Hi, Barbie. Yeah. Hi, Kat. Let's go party. Right. So did you get that? Oh, my God. Growing up, yeah.

That's like all people said. I mean, but the thing is my name was Barbara. Yeah. And so people took it upon themselves to find their own nicknames for me. Babs, Barbes. Babs is crazy for a young gal. Barbara is crazy for a young gal. I was like five years old Barbara.

I was like, hi. Wait, but you're, is your family from Portugal? Brazil. From Brazil? Yeah. So, it's a young hot name in Brazil. So is it? I mean, Barberra.

It's fucking hot. It's like all the young, like hot little models are named Babbara, you know? Right. Here, not so much. So growing up with that name, did you pick Barbie as a nickname because of that? So I always had nicknames. People always, like, kind of called me whatever. And then when I was like 18, I started modeling, I was like, I'm Barbie now.

Like, you can't, like, I changed my Instagram name. I was like this. I'm going by one nickname because I hated Babs. I hated, like, people going a little too crazy with it. So I was just like Barbie fits. And then now you introduce your, like it's like Donzo. Yeah. Like mom?

Mom calls me Barbie when she's speaking English. She calls me Babaro when she's speaking in Portuguese. My friends that I grew up with call me Barbara. But, you know, sometimes I hear them call me Barbie. It's a little weird. Wait, you grew up here for how long in the city? So I grew up in New York and New Jersey. So I was born in Harlem.

1003rd, a metropolitan hospital. I believe that's 103rd. I lived right across the street for a while. So 1003rd on the west side? No, and third. And third. And third. Oh, on the east side.

Yeah, that's where my, actually, that's where my building was. And then the hospital was right across the street. And I could see where I was born. I lived there for a year. It was really cute. And so I grew up in Queens. I moved to Jersey. We were in Queens?

Astoria. Oh, really? Yeah. Before it was like a poppin, trendy Estoria? Yeah. No, it was literally like all immigrants. Like I went to ESL. school, like every single, like we had like a Brazilian street. We had like a Bengali street.

There was like a Greek area. Oh, I thought it was like great. Yeah. There was areas for everyone there. But when I was growing up, so like there was like, there was like, there was so many Brazilians in a story. I went to a Brazilian church. I went to a Brazilian salon. I went to the Brazilian supermarket. I didn't speak English until I was four. Really? Yeah. So how good is your Portuguese now? It's great. It's my first language. It's not like perfect, but, um, I... By the way, it sounds like such... I went to the Lisbon once. It sounds. It sounds like, it sounds like, it sounds. like such a hard language. I remember hearing it and being like, what's happening?

Like, it's, even though I thought like I can understand Spanish and speak a little, like that it would be easy. And it's not an easy language. No, especially Portuguese, Portugal. Like, they have a very harsh accent. I can barely understand it. Oh, okay. So, like, a Brazilian Portuguese sounds more like Spanish, a little more sing-songy.

So that's okay. I can barely understand Portuguese people. Oh, really? Yeah, it's like that. I mean, I think even someone who, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I think even people who are Brazilian who speak Portuguese. That's like the only language they speak. Yeah.

It can be a little tough with the Portuguese accents. I need to go back for a second. I mean, not back because we're talking about like your birth. So forward. Let's go forward to today. Or to write the second or not even two months ago. Wherever that, whenever the Oscars were. Yes.

You fucking looked amazing. Thank you so much. Like this was like headlines. This was like a moment. Thank you. It was Gap. It was Gap Studios by Zach Posen. That's sick.

I know. I did not expect that. Like the commotion? I did not. You didn't, because like, usually people were like a little commotion over the dress and you didn't need to do that. No, I truly didn't expect that. I knew the dress was gorgeous.

But I was like, this is going to be so fun. I'm going to the Oscars. Like, I have no movie here. I'm just bringing my best friend. So how did that happen? The Academy invited me. It was really sweet. The Academy invited like, I think like, I think 10 people who were like up and coming

and I'm like up and coming. Was this your first time? Yeah. Oh, cool. It was like young Hollywood and I'm like, oh, I'm like the youngest. I'm the oldest by like 10 years. I'm like, yes, young Hollywood. Literally everyone else was like teenagers.

But it was like, you know, people who are like actors who are like the next generation. And so they had me invited like 10 people and I was one of them. Thank God. That's so fun. Was it fun? It was extremely fun. Like the ceremony? I can only imagine it not being fun if you're like nominated because you're just scared.

I would be scared. Yeah. I had a blast because I had nothing to like. worry about. Were you at a good table? I was actually an incredible seat. Oh my God. What was it where were you received?

It was I thank you the academy. They put us on. She's doing his speech. Thank you to the academy. There is so on the floor with all the nominees, there's like a little balconies that are on the floor like on the side. So I was like right behind all of like Frankenstein people. Like a, oh, Jacob.

Yeah. He was for Roe though. He got the nomination. And then I was let's say to the side. Yeah. I'm watching. Gierre D'Otoa win, you know, all these things. And I was like, in that.

Yeah. It was really fun. Were you rooting for your old pal? Of course. I was literally like, I honestly was, every single win was like electric in there. In there. It was so cool to see like Michael B. Jordan win.

Right. That was such a funny good moment. Just stood up. Yeah. Like, it was like immediate. Like there was nothing. Amy Madigan, I stood up like immediately. I was just like, that's so cool.

Yeah, I was just really sickening. Barbara St. I was singing. I was like, how long? You're like, Babs, Babs. Babs. And she was doing the whole antidote about Babbs.

Oh, I get it. You're like, me too. Me too. So the dress was a moment. It was like a T-shirt, something, concept. Gap, big shirt, like a button-down shirt. But then they made it into this, like, beautiful piece on the bottom and, like, tied. I mean, it was obviously crafted, like, specifically in, like, an artisanal way.

But it was, like, the back was, like, shirt sleeves, tied into a bow. Oh, the back was the like... The skirt was like a big shirt. I love that color too. It was such a good color. I've been really trying to like dress in my color palette. Wait, did you go to a lady? No, I unfortunately have...

Well, fortunately, a lot of people just do it for me on TikTok. Because they're like, what is Barbie Ferreira's palette? Oh my God. And I'm Googling it. No, you're... And I'm taking their notes. Babe, your fan edits are crazy. You know what I mean?

Like, you have legit fan edits like like trans... Like all this crazy shit that pops up. For me, I'm like, no, the fans are fanning. I love them. They're so cool. So they did your color palette. Yes. So a cobalt.

Well, I'm a deep winter, they say. Okay. They say that I'm a deep winter. Although, you know, sometimes I'll watch some of them. They're like, her body is like a dramatic, you know, whatever it is. I don't actually know the words. And then someone else will say something different. So I'm like, what's the truth?

Who do I? Who's the real expert here? Who's the real expert here? Yeah. But yeah, they told me I was a deep winter. That makes sense. So I like to wear, I just naturally like to wear clothes that are. like deep reds, deep greens, like jewel tones, stuff like that.

I need to do my colors. I would like to do it like with a real person with like a, like the little thing. You want the things. Yeah. You want the things. Let's take a trip to Korea. It's like everywhere. Oh, really?

Yeah. Everything starts in Korea. Yeah. They know. That's what like that's where you go to get your like whole life matched. Hmm. So that's our answer. It's our answer is to go to Korea.

Not TikTok, Korea. Mm-hmm. And then you went to Paris Fashion Week? I did. And you did JPG. Yeah. like fucking sick dress too. Thank you so much.

Again, like headlines over this fit. I know. People love to talk. Right? Like, legit. But that... I also didn't expect that either. Do you like going on the show?

I do. Because I was a model before. I was like, I've been to Paris Fashion Week for many years. I guess no one was really clogged in my outfit still now. I haven't been in a couple years. But I've been to like Giovanni, Belenciaga. I love fashion. I don't love like being like a working model like I was for so long.

Just because of like my... My thing is really talking. I love to yap. Right. So that was like a lack of yapping in modeling that I was not into. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I tried. I would make them, like, do videos of me talking all the time.

But yeah, like, I'm really into fashion. So it was just really, I love. I love also, like, putting on indie designers and, like, having an idea of fashion outside. And when I get to work with people like Jean-Pong-Gaulté, who I literally have been collecting Jean-Pongotier, like, tattooed dresses slash, like, Roberto Cavali, like all these things since I was like 16. Really? So he just felt like so...

So did you work with him? Was it like a customer to you and everything? So the creative director... Honestly, I didn't really get to do... Because like there's a creative director. I believe his name is Duran. And I got to like pick... I got to go to the showroom and pick the outfit.

And I was like, okay, I'll do this one. And it was a little sheer. I usually don't love doing a lot of sheer. Oh, really? But whatever, you're in Paris. Did you do like... No, my tits were out. Oh, you're just were...

Right. Okay, so the headlines. That's why they were. They love it. I'll tell you what, I, because there were, like, you literally Google you. I don't know if you've done that. I've done that for interview. I would never have Googled myself.

And you go to, like, in news and it's literally like barry, like all of your, the Oscars and your Paris Fashion Week. And a lot of people are, which is wild, like still talking about body stuff, you know? Like, body transformation, body this, body. And I'm like, wait, is this like, and not even just like daily mail. Like literal. No, real people. Real people. I'm like, women.com, you know, like, just like, glamour.

Women's health. Right. Like women's health. No, but legit places. And I'm like, we're still doing this? People are doing it actually at a huge rate. It's not even just me. I've actually realized that it's almost every actress right now

is just being put under a microscope of either being too skinny or too big. I mean, classic. We always have that. But it's like, I feel like it's even more so right now. There's just like people are like really into it. I guess like, I think the internet right now is about inflammatory stuff. Yes. It's all rage bait.

So if you can find something to rage bait about, it's so much more effective in the algorithm than like someone does something nice. Yeah, obviously. Like people have opinions about everything. Yeah, and they want to talk. And I feel like there's just like a lot of angst on the internet right now. Yeah. Angst.

But I've noticed, like, I see like all these amazing women that I like, you know, really admire for their work and their art. And it's like people are talking about like their face and body. And I'm like, okay. Like, it surprises you that we're still doing this in the sense. To be honest, my whole career has been people talking about it. So I'm not shocked. Right.

But I am just like we're still, it's so boring. Yeah. I find it boring. Yeah. Right. Because it's like you, you were saying you were modeling. So it was like you were a plus size model when you started. And then you had cat euphoria and she was very like body confident.

Do you even, I mean, people are saying like body neutrality now. Like people aren't saying positive. where you stand with that. I mean, I agree with body neutrality in the sense that I think what I have done my whole life is just, and what I've loved about movies is when I get to see something

that's like European or not American and people look like real people. I'm not saying someone has to be big, small, whatever. It's just... Like teeth, everything. It's like we in America are so allergic to people who have features that aren't, you know, maybe the most conventionally attractive.

It's like, And it's a specifically Americanized thing right now where it's, I mean, since forever, where it's like, you know, the actresses are waking up with a curl, like, and an eyelash on. It's like, for me, I've always been so much more into what people look like. Yeah. And so, you know, when I was a model, obviously a lot of it was about the way I look because clearly that was like what I was doing. I was selling clothes and I was, like, talking on that.

And I loved talking about how, like, I didn't feel like particularly like I had this, the most insane, like, you know, activism for just existing. I thought it was just like we should just normalize it. Right. And the fact that it even was a problem. Like, I looked like this. What I did, I was like 17. And I did like a shoot for Airy and like it went so.

By the way, I saw that. I saw that and it like could be taken today. Like, first of all, the quality is so good. Like you look the same. And it's just like, and I saw on the bottom, 2016. I'm like, that was, Ari was kind of ahead of its time in a way. That video was. And I'm, mind you, I'm like 18 years old.

Like, I just started modeling. Like, I didn't think anything of it. I, like, did a string bikini. I was, like, smoking cigarettes and, like, my supreme track suit, like, on the side, like, being like, I don't even know what this is. I did the shoot. And it went so viral. And I was super young.

And I remember being like, oh, like, why? And it was about my body. And I look at those pictures now. And in the context of society now, like, no one would ever even batten eyelashes. What, do you remember what you said? Because you said something you were just. funny. What did you say? I'm sure I said something. Yeah, you didn't say anything. You're right. It wasn't like an activist. I think I kept saying like, do you want me to wear a potato sack or something?

I kept saying shit like that. I mean, I was just so funny. Not media trained at all. So people would ask me questions. I'm just like, which I still love. I'm still not media trained. Well, just going back to what you said, like what annoys me recently is like, you know, I like telling people they look great. And I think that's okay to say in general and whatever. But I hate the hypocrisy of fucking the internet because On one hand, if you tell someone, or you lost weight or, you know, whatever, postpartum or whatever, it's like, no. But then people will talk about people's glowups and the glow up is like a weight loss journey, for instance. But they won't say it. But they'll never fucking say it.

And it's like happens. I don't know if you watch the Mormon wise, but it's like the girl from Mormon wise just to dance with the stars. So she lost so much weight got so fit. And everyone's like her glow up, her glow up. And I'm like, you guys know you're talking about like that she lost weight. So that's what bugs me, like the hypocrisy of the industry. that like, and even the body positivity movement. It's like, you went 10 years screaming about it.

And then we're like, we go kind of back in time like, as if it didn't have. And the skinny talk of it all. It's just like, where are we living? What are we doing? Like, can everyone just shut off? Well, now also men are having eating disorders. It's like, I mean, it's like, it's pervasive. It's like what the, the conversation about all of this is just getting more and more.

I don't know. It's like for me, the talking about. weight loss or glowing up is so boring because I'm just like the I think if people are just obsessed with that right now they're just obsessed with like you know it'll be even like a young person who just grows up and it's like the glow up or like the glow down it's like everyone's obsessed with that and is it buckel fat removal or did she lose her or did she just she was 16 and now she's 25 you know what I mean it's like people are just really I think that's my my best friend who is like always like kind of seeing these things he's like people are just

so comfortable talking about people that's really really really. what it is, it's like, you would never say, you would never, like, say any of this stuff to people, because it doesn't even, it's not even true, and it's all just, like, start, I don't know. I've been, I obviously have been, like, the butt of, like, lots of, like, this generation's, like, ups and downs about body politics. Because you, like, grew up? I was 16 years old when I was, like, literally, like, taking pictures of myself. And so, for me, I feel like I have, like, always have, like, the perspective of what's

happening, because I'm, like, the first person that people always, like, I'm like the punching bag of everything. And so it feels like a different place that we were in society. I feel like a few years ago it felt like a little bit easier. It felt like a little bit less of like a conversation. And now it's like all people talk about. I mean, whether it be clavicular, whether it be, you know, that guy who is like looks maxing, like boys are doing it too.

It's like people are obsessed with like looks. Yeah. And it's not good for the psyche for anyone. We'll be right back after the break. Everyone knows that when you're a parent, one of the hardest things for me is feeding these kids, okay? Three meals a day, get it going. You want to make sure every meal they have is as nutritionally packed as you can. And it's hard and it's rough, especially on weekends if they're home and you don't have a second to yourself. So listen, I have an option for you. I have something

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Feel good. Do it. Don't do it. Work out. Don't work out. Agree with you 100% where it's like I also like the conversation of like working out. Like wait last to me so. Like I live in L.A.

It's like that's like what. I know. I know. Isn't like literally it's every. No. You walk down the street in L.A. And like everyone's going to work out and you're like stop. Oh my God.

No. Literally I go to Pilates out. Anna. Shout out to Anna. She owns this incredible Palladi studio is women only. It's like so sweet and so cool. And like I love going there for like the community. Glenn Powell isn't there because I heard he does Pilates.

No, Glenn Powell's not there. It's all women. It's like the cutest girls ever. They're all like, you know, they're just, it's just sweet. I'm like, honestly, I do it because it's like, I get to like make friends. So I do work out and I'm like, you know, I've, and I love doing things for my health because I'm like, I'm also, I'm turning 30 and like I have just been so unhealthy in my whole life. Like I smoked so many cigarettes in my life. Did you quit?

No, I'm vape. But I've just. I just quit the sigs on to the vape. It's always a battle. It's like a cigarette, Zin now, that vape now. It's just like, one can't stop. I know. I love nicotine.

So it's just like, that's what I did. What age was your first cig? 16. I was 12. 12. Yeah, that makes sense. My mom smoked while she was pregnant with me. You were going to be like, because I said 12,

you were going to be like, my mom started at 9. My mom started at 12. My mom started at 12. Yeah. And I just was like, I need to be able to move my body. I love how the, the solution is like not to go with smoking. No, no, no.

But to do Pilates. So, like, walk to Pilates. Yeah. With the SIG. And then, I mean, and smoking, too, is being so glamorized now, which to me, have you seen, like, yeah. So, like, I love the occasional SIG. Who does?

Well, I loved it, like, since 12. So before, like, people thought it was cool. Oh, yeah. No, it was not cool when I was smoking. And now, like, everyone, like, fucking wants to be, like, seen smoking. And it's, like, it's only cool. if like you're hiding it. You know what I mean?

It's not cool if you're like trying to get the pat pick of you like smoking sex. It's so performative. You can tell when someone's a real smoker and real not. Babe. Babe. Performance. Barbie.

If you don't have a voice like mine, I don't want you smoking a cigarette. I don't want to hear the rasp. No. I want to hear the years of damage to your vocal cords. No, I want to hear you cough up some plan. But I've seen and I will, we won't name names, but I'll name them later of just like so performative.

Either it's behind the ear and it's like, come down your notch on pen. You know that you can go. These are men. Men are doing this. Yeah, like, it's also men. It's cool. It's cool. It's cool. It's also men. It's cool. It's want to be cool. Yeah, it's want to be cool. And it's even when I can really tell, like, when even the holding of it. The holding, you can tell right the fuck away.

But when I'm watching a movie, I can tell when someone does this phone. That's what I'm saying. 100%. And it's so lame. Even old movies. Like, there's a lot of old movies. Like, there's a lot of old movies where you can tell. And it's just like the way they hold it. it. I can tell. I think it's very like, yeah. There's a way to do it. Like, I mean, there's a casual way to do it fantastically such as this if you guys are

watching on video. But I think for me, what really, it's like the, it's like the, it's like not quite, you're not comfortable with it. You're not comfortable. You're not used to it. And it's, I mean, they have to work on the, on the inhales. But so we're, you could be healthy when we're not promoting smoking six. No, it's my biggest.

Yeah. It's my biggest. It's my biggest problem. It truly is like my problem. Is your goal to quit or your goal is to lessen? Eventually, I have to quit. I don't believe in lessening. I believe in quitting.

Yeah, like, fucking, yeah. I'm, like, kind of a girl with, like, extremes. Like, I, like, I'm like, I believe in quitting. I believe that I can quit one day. Could you ever be, like, a house of cards, one at night, out the window kind of girl? No, like, you're all in or near a. Babe, it's not in my, it's not in my genetics. That's not in my genetics.

Okay, so let's go back to, even though we could fucking talk about things all day. Let's go back to, okay, so there was Harlem, Queen. When did you end up in New Jersey? Probably 8, 9, 10, something like that. So I was like little kid in Queens. I went to PS1, 66. And I grew up. Public school, what's that?

Public school? Oh, baby, public-ass school for me, baby. And no private school for me. And that wasn't my tea earlier in my life. So I went to school there and then I moved and then I moved to Jersey. I moved to Maywood, New Jersey, which is like this really small town next to Hackensack High. So I went to Hackensack High, shots out, worked at the Garden State Plaza. New Jersey.

Wait, what's the garden? It's the nearest mall you can go without taxes. Because in Jersey, it sells tax. So what store did you work at? American Apparel. Wait. I modeled for them too. And then you modeled for them.

First I modeled for them, then I got a job. They did that. That was their whole shtick back then. They were like, we're going to pay you $9 to model for us so that you can also work in the store. How did they find you? I sent pictures in when I was sick. They had an email that was just like,

send pictures. So what age was that? 16. So 16, you already knew, like, I want a model? No, no, no, no. I also didn't know that I could model because I was not skinny but not fat. Not skinny but not fat.

So I didn't think that one could be a model if you're not skinny. And so I open up the world of like, oh, plus size modeling. And that's what I knew after American Parole. Because American Parole, they were just getting girls who, like, were, like, had the aesthetic. and who wanted to work in the store and be part of like American Apparel world. That's what they were looking for.

And so it wasn't like models. But yeah, it ended up getting a real agent and like modeling for real because it became a thing. After, so American Apparel was like the introduction to all this. Yeah, yeah. I was like doing shoots and then going to high school and then like getting paid like $10 for it and thinking it was the best thing in the world. American Apparel was so cool. Oh, it's so cool.

I still have so much American Apparel stuff. Because I just did modeling kicks and I'm wearing American Apparel in the entire. movie. Stop because the movie is like in 2011. When did American Apparel close? I think they closed their doors. I would say 2017, 2016, I would say because I think I was

right at the tail end. I was working there in 2013. I remember there was a big rise in their popularity just again. And then I think it all fell apart. Wait, how did you get the clothes for the movie? Your own clothes? Courtney, who did the costumes, like found deadstock, like disco pans and stuff. she really found it all.

Wow, that is so cool. Because there's still like, I guess there's like Los Angeles Apparel, but it's not quite the same. I don't think, but maybe I'm wrong, but like they don't have the same stuff. It's probably not the same.

No, but it's like the T-shirts are the same, but not. So there was American Apparel modeling for them, then you sent in the thing for Harry? No, no, no. By then I got,

so I started, did so much random stuff in between that and you getting signed. You were just shooting in all directions. Yeah, like I had a lot of friends were artists, so I would pose for them. They would paint me or do... Nude?

No, no, because I was young. Okay. So I didn't do any nude. I love you have to remember. Like, not then. No, no, I was in 18, yeah. No, I remember because I was like an art model. And I would be like, sometimes show up and they were like, you're not 18? Well, yikes, you know? Like, what are we supposed to do?

But I would model for a lot of artists. I remember, like, posing with like John Curran, who's like a modern artist who's like in the MoMA. I had no idea. I was just like a stoner who was just like, I get cash for weeks. Where are you finding these goods? My friends, we're all artists. I, like, literally just befriended a bunch of artists.

Like, I befriended Petra Collins who started shooting me for shoots, like, when I was 16. Yeah, you had a Tumblr account. Was this, like, Tumblr connections? No, we met in real life because she used to do an American Apparel collab. Oh, okay. She had these, like, these shirts are, like, bloody vaginas. It was such of the time, such a vibe.

It was such a vibe. And so I kind of, like, snuck into all her art shows. And then I, like. Were you going into the city a lot from? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, so you were, like, coming in. And when I turned 18, I, like, fully moved to the Lower East Side. Oh, you did?

In, like, a shitty apartment. Solo? No, with my friend Cody. Two, two girls in one studio apartment. That's about two under square feet with a dream to, like, make it. To make it, baby. Yeah? Well, also just get out of my family.

I was, like, my mom, love her, love her to bits, but I needed to flew the... It was you, your mom and... My grandma. Your grandma. Yeah. Grandma moved as soon as I turned 18, moved back to Brazil. She didn't have time. She was here until the time I was born until I was, I turned 18.

She goes, I'm out. Like, she was like, I've done it. I've done my job. I've done my job. I've done my job. I'm over. I hate it here. So then you left your mom in New Jersey by herself?

She was actually in Mount Vernon, New York. I'm like shaming you. I'm daughter shaming you. No, no. We bought her a house two years ago. Don't worry. She got the mid-century architectural masterpiece house. Oh, shit.

Better than my house. Okay. So, but I did leave her in Mount Vernon for a second. And I was like, oh, oh, can't leave mom there. the carpeted floor like you know one bedroom apartment that has no like natural like couldn't leave mom there for very long but we finally finally got her out of there. Does mom, did mom always support your like endeavors and dreams and stuff? Yeah, my mom was like a very, my mom was like a very young hot mother and so she and that like really

like I don't know why that's what I want my kids to say about me by the way. Yeah, like young and hot. She was a young hot mother. My mom's young and hot and she's like a very like free spirited woman. She never cared about anything I did, really. Good for good or bad. She just kind of was like, you good? All right.

Standing in nude pics? Okay. My family, I'm not kidding. Whenever I do a sexy shoot or any sexy picture, they're the first ones to like it. My grandma, my mom, my aunt, and they like it and then they repost it. The sexier it is, the more likely they'll like it.

I don't understand. I make this joke to my friends out. I'm like, every time I post like a thirst trap, the first person to like it is my mother. I love that. She likes when I look sexy. I love that. Yeah.

So she was very supportive. She, in her own way, where she was just, like, not, like, she was hands off. My mom, like, let me do whatever I want. I was, like, a little, like, I was, like, a little boss at, like, 12. I was, like, emailing, like, agents myself. Like, that's the fuck what you have to do. And I still, like, spiritually do that now, so. But it is crazy because there's so spiritually do that.

There's so many different types of, like, actors and how they made it. You have, like, people that had their parents, you know, either get them into. it without them even knowing or people that had told their parents, I want this and the parents moved them. I mean, we hear that so much, that story of, like, parents moving to LA with only the car. They don't have immigrant parents, I see. And I was like trying to pitch that to my mom. She was like, Bavita, what? She goes, you think I'm going to quit my job for you to maybe get a job at 10 years old? Yeah. Hell no. Yeah. But so, but I, there's like different types of support. Like this is where your mom showed you

Which is like, go fucking do your thing She just truly just always was like Yeah I just was doing whatever I want And she was kind of like, okay And now is she so fucking proud of you? Very proud Very proud

I think she always says that She's always so amazed by me That everything I'd say is like Comes true Like manifesting Everything I say comes true It's like I want to be an actress I did it

Like I want to be a model I did it I'm like tell her things I don't even like Manifest anymore I just kind of like say it And then it comes true I mean my thing

about manifesting is like it doesn't have to be, I mean, I don't think of it as the like writing, vision board Pinterest. For me, it's like, oh my God, you said. And okay, I found yesterday, I'll tell you the story because I'm the same way as you. Like my mom calls me an octopus because I'm always like sending emails since I was 12 also. So I literally yesterday, you know, when you search your email for like something, I was like trying to find a receipt for something. And I ended up on a book pitch I sent in 2013, okay? loser, nobody knew who I was. Obviously, I was nobody nothing.

But I always, you know, wanted to do things. And I sent a book pitch and this agent answered me, which is so kind. Like, thank you, I'm D.B. Pro for getting me an agent email and had I and DP where I was sending. Oh, yes. Yeah. So all that. And I sent him the book pitch.

And he was like, listen, like, since you don't have a platform and like, nobody knows you, you should think about self-publishing. The book. Like, who cares about my book? And then I read the book, what I wrote was like, yeah, And one of the chapters was like my obsession with Lena Denham because I love girls. And I wrote about like the dream I had of her. And since I was always like not scatom and not fat, like what that meant to me.

And then, you know, I had Lena Denham on the pod like a year. I was reading that. And I was like, that's manifest to me. You know what I mean? Like that, the fact that I was like so obsessed with everything. Like everything I take it to the next fucking level. And then you bring it into your life. And you bring it into your life.

And like that been. who was like, did I dreamt about Lena? Or was it Hannah? Like, whatever the fuck I wrote. And who would have thought? Who would have fucking thought in this way and in this? So I love that. And I...

Sometimes it's not the way you think it's going to happen, but it's the way that it plays out. Yes. Which is the coolest thing. And I just think it's so amazing to be someone who, like, paved their own way. And just you went after what you wanted. And he fucking did it. You got to do it.

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So you saw modeling and then when did like the acting by come in? Well, I've been acting since I was a little kid. So the thing I wanted to do most was acting, I was I modeled because I was like, I don't have, you know, family in the industry. I, you know, my grandma cleans houses. My mom, like, is at school while I'm like, you know, a kid. So I, and I was like, I'm going to do this. Like, I'm going to figure it out. And obviously, it's almost impossible. And so I had a big kind of platform on the internet at the time with Tumblr and Instagram. And I was, and when I was modeling, I really got like, I mean, I had like 400,000 followers as a model.

You did on Instagram. Yeah, back in the day. Yeah, back in the day, too. That shit was, like, hard. And that's fucking hard. And so I had, like, I was, like, pretty poppet as a model. And, like, I kept, like, just doing more and more video stuff because I really wanted to be an actress.

So, like, and I had a, in my head, I was like, once I turned 20, I need to start, like, really, because I started around 16. I was like, I'd do this for a couple years. And then I figure it out. Like, and it ended up happening exactly that way, like, a 21. I had an agent. I was, like, auditioning. I did, like, the whole audition thing.

And I got. Euphoria like 21. So it was like exactly the time. And it was time to get something. Because modeling, I was like, this is not going to go anywhere for me anymore. Really? You think that? It just is like, you know, I just felt like it wasn't going anywhere for me. Well, you were saying you're also a talker and you love like, yeah. I'm like, I can't just be, I can't just shut up and put on clothes. Like, that's not my vibe. So when you got the script for Euphoria, did it scare you at all? Or were you? No. I remember reading it and being like, was this written for me? I literally thought that. You're like, it me.

It me. And so I was literally like, I've never been more desperate to get something because I knew I could do it so confidently. But no one else did. And they also made everyone to audition, like, every plus size model. And they had like signs in the subway that was like, if you're a plus size or if a trans. That you saw. Yes.

I'd be there like on my third audition. Like keep coming back. Keep ripping them down. But I'm like ripping them down at the club. I'm like you're putting it at the cool people. I'm like, I'm taking this off. Like, this is mine. Oh, shit.

Every single one of my friends auditioned for it. They were like, I don't even act. I've never even acted. Would you help me with this audition? I'm like, gur, you know? And you felt like it was yours. I did. But I didn't know if they were going to agree with me.

Was it back then, was it back then, back in the day? Was it self-tape? Or was it in person? So I did like 11 auditions in person. Did 11 auditions. Yeah. Oh, my God. It was so tough on my anxiety and digestion.

system, my digestive system. I was so anxious. I was like, and then what would it feel like when you got it? I was in therapy, literally crying to her being like, how am I supposed to do this? I don't know. My life could change.

I can't. And then I got three missed calls. And she's like, answer it. And then I answered and she gave me a hug. She never gave me a hug before. And you're like, yeah, I have to leave you. I have to find a new therapist. And I left and she's like, go ahead.

And I just like went down the street and just screaming. Did you have an inkling that it would be what it was? I mean, it shaped a culture. It shaped rising stars, the whole cast, like, you know? I didn't. I thought it was going to do really well, but I could never have, like, envisioned the impact it had on, like, the culture because it's also, like, the Internet and everything is just so different.

So I was like, I didn't, I knew that it was going to be good because I really loved it. And I remember, like, being really proud of what we were doing and, like, being like, this is so different than anything else has been on TV. But I didn't know. At first I was also like, are people going to think it's too nasty? And, I mean, they did. That's why they like it.

Because people are nasty. They're nasty. How does it feel now when the third season is coming out? You're doing your own thing. You're two movies you're leading coming out the same month. Yeah. Coincidentally, right, that the third season is airing. So how does that feel?

I mean, I just saw the trailer yesterday. It sounds so, I haven't seen, I mean, because the last time we did it was like, what, four years ago? It's been three, something like that? Since it came out or since you... Since we shot it must have been three or four. So it's like it's interesting to see everyone grow up and like where the show is going because obviously like we're not high school students anymore.

I know like I've also been processing that. I'm like, wow, no one sends me high school rules anymore. I guess I'm just grandma. You're like young mom now. I'm grandma now. Not young mom yet. I want to be young mom. But yeah, I'm like, I'm curious to see how...

Are you going to watch? Yeah, for sure. Really? Mm-hmm. And I mean, you've addressed it so many times, but you always. leaving, the internet going crazy. I've read that you said, made up, thin air, like that it was like a dramatic leaving situation.

Yeah, it wasn't dramatic. In fact, it was, I have the opposite of dramatic where it was like long process of like being like, I don't know if this is it for me. And then like having conversations with people and us trying to figure out how to make cat like a fully fleshed out character. And it just wasn't going anywhere. So I just think I truly was just like, I. I think since we can't find anything and we can't land on anything, I'm like, let me just go.

Let me just go do my thing. Because it's a long time and you can't leave. And the thing is, I don't need to be on the biggest TV show on earth if I'm not, like, acting. You know, so I'm like, I would rather do an indie movie where, you know, I'm acting. I'm flexing my muscles. I'm like being creatively, like, you know, asked to do things rather than kind of sitting around to be like a background character. I don't know.

I mean, and some people are like, I would do that. I'm like, good for you. Like, if you want it to be a background character for nine months, that's like totally fine and cool, but I just,

I was like, I want to do other stuff. I want to produce like indie cinema. I don't have time to do it. What you're doing? What you're doing? Yeah, I do indie movies that like literally

like are made on a shoestring budget, but it's like cool and like real stories. And I'd rather that than kind of be a second thought, I think. And you feel like you seem like such a decisive person. Like once you decide something, you're fucking,

you're, you don't look back, huh? Yeah. How'd you know? Well, I feel it. Like, everything that you made happen for yourself, you know, and, like, decisions that you feel. It's hard to make decisions. Like, fuck.

Like, I don't know what to, like, eat for my next meal. Girl, I'm not going to do decisions either. It feels like, you know, especially in this world, it just feels like it's, I feel like with work, it's like the hardest thing. Oh, my God. It's, I can imagine. Because you're, like, you have to weigh the pros and cons and stuff. And, like, I may have, like, a different perspective on things than other people.

And I had, like, a lot of conversations about it. It wasn't like, I woke up one day angry. It was a very long, arduous process of processing and weighing the person con, seeing what was going to happen, and being at the end of the day, being like, I believe in myself as an actress. And I want to see my career look a little differently than this. I'm like, it's okay if it's not like the hit TV show. Yeah.

It's fine. You know, I did that. Thank God. And this is the last season, right? Oh, I have no idea. Oh, they didn't say that when they announced it? Oh. I thought they did.

Oh, I have no idea. I have a feeling. Maybe. I have a feeling. So, okay, so like we said, coincidentally, this month, April, you have two movies that you're leading, like your lead actress in, Faces of Death, which is a remake, right? It's like a reimagining, I would say, because the original is like a gore tape. It's not like a plot-driven movie, no.

By the way, the trailer, like I was skirted. Oh, thank you. The trailer looks like. it's scary. It's like snuff, right? Yeah. What was that like dipping your feet into like horror?

It was so fun. We did it like three years ago in New Orleans and I got to, I'm like trying to have to spoil it, but it got to be so fun because I got to be like real physical with it. And I don't think with my acting

I've ever done anything physical. I got to like do my own stunts and like do like, you know, I'm like picturing you doing backflips. No backflips. When I say stunts, I mean, you know, fighting

and normal stuff like that. Not jumping off of a building. I'm not doing that. Because you play, well, give the, you play like a... I play a content moderator, Margo, who that goes on a quest to find this man who she believes is recreating faces of death. And, ooh, chaos ensues, baby. Yeah, she gets into it. She gets into it.

And so there's a whole thing that happens there. And yeah, and she goes... Me trying to be so vague with no spoilers. I'm like, and then she gets into a little bit of a pickle. And she got to get herself out of the pickle. Well, there's like... There's like murder on tape and shit. Murder on tape.

Murder on tape. We're bringing that in. Which is so freaky because like obviously with social media and everything like, like you, you're like not far fetched, you know? We see people dying in real life on social media all the time. It used to be something that no one watched. Like you watch people fake dying. Real dying all the time, anyone can watch it.

That to me is so sick and disgusting. Wait, where do we watch real people dying, babe? People will post like videos of like, you know, some building falling with a baby coming out. You know what I mean? Or assassination or this. Like you're seeing and you don't, that's true.

And you don't even get to Google it. Like it's just there. It pops up for you. It's on your feet alongside like, Get Ready with Me. The amount of, exactly. That's what delusion. Deluded.

It's like, you're like watching like, get ready with me. This is how I do my bagel. And then it's like extreme violence. No, it's true. You see someone's light, leave their eyes. And so the movie really is about social media and the companies that,

that profit off of the constant cycle of violence that's being perpetuated. And it only has gotten in the past three years much more relevant. And you're like the protagonist like saving the fucking trying to save the day. Yeah, girl. And then at the same time, you have a completely different movie coming out, which I feel like is your baby feels like, right? Yeah, this is what I produced too. Yeah, mile end kick.

So I saw the trailer for that as well and it looks like right. Even the music for the trailer. Like it just brought me back. MGM. Yes, because you said 2011. So it's tracking. Tracking. So there you play Grace, right?

Yeah, I play Grace. And she's this music journalist who moves from Toronto to Montreal to write her big book about Alanis Morissette. And then she falls in love with a guy in a band. And then love to a band. And then chaos ensues and she's in a pickle. So it's like a romantic. It's like when you were talking about like indie, like this is giving indie.

It's like a rom-com like Nick and Nora's Infinite Pooh. Playlers, vibes. Shout out Cat Denning. I love you. It's like very, it's like very indie 2000s vibes. It's really cool. I like really enjoy it. I thought it was like such a fun. So how do they work with producing it? Because like, so did you get the script and then you wanted to be like a bigger part of it? Yeah. So I thankfully with like a lot of these indie movies, like it's like something that people want like from the beginning. They like they want me to produce and star in it because to make the movie happen because that's kind of what I've been doing. the past couple of movies, you know, I get a script that perhaps doesn't have the funding

or doesn't have, like, a cast, and then we start building it from, like, bottom up. Like, they need your star power. Oh, thank you, darling. To get it off the ground. Yeah, and to also build it up, and, like, I'm very creatively involved in, like, the casting, and depending on, like, you know,

the director and how, but when I'm producing it, tends to be that way, where it's, like, you know, I get to really be involved in a lot of things, even, like, locations, like, during like we're doing insert shots like you know I'm talking to crew it's like it's very fun I like love to learn did you shoot in Montreal yeah oh that's cool it was really fun how long were you there for so for like two and a half months okay it's like a whole summer oh that's so fun in the summer it was so freaking fun it was honestly matured was like the best place I can imagine I mean probably

not in the winter though not in the winter uh not in the winter is the snow tall my dream was actually to go to a college in Canada, specifically, Miguel, specifically in Montreal. Oh my God. That's mentioned in the movie about a thousand times. I didn't get in. They're so harsh these Canadians. They're so harsh these Canadians. Like, they don't look at the whole picture. They just want your SAT scores. Wow. Yeah, like, back those over. Yeah. I'm like, read my personal essay. It's sappy. And, you know, like, get me in. But you know why I wanted to go there because I was like drinking ages 18. I don't want like solo cups and frat parties. You know, like I wanted French. I wanted French jazz bars. And there is that.

for me. It's, well, I'm sorry because that sounds like really fun. And it was, it was, it was a great for you. It was, it was kind of that way for me for two months, except I also like had to work the whole time, which of course was like, I don't get to like drink every night at the bar. Right. But I mean, the boys did. It was fun. They got to like really party and have fun. And, you know, little me who's in every scene had to go to bed and learn my lines, my 15 pages of lines every night. So was it, what did you feel like you're related to Grace's character? Yeah, I feel like desperation of like being in your early 20s and trying to figure out like men and like dating is so real. Like I remember reading these scenes. I'm like, I'm cringing so hard because it's too real. I mean, the sex scenes in it are so cringy and the best way. Like you're like, oh, I've been there. Fuck. I try to remember. I try to forget that.

It's really like that. And so even being in the scenes, I'm like, oh, I felt bad for great. It's like disgusting. Yeah. And watching it back, do you like, can you watch yourself or are you like? I watched, so I have this thing where I like to watch my movie or the show a few times because I need to get over the way I look and the way I sound because it's like you don't ever know. And so like the first few watches just me like getting over it and being brave. And then the last time I watch it will be like, oh, I can like watch this movie or show and I'm understanding that this is a movie and a show that I can kind of see it. And then I stop and then I never watch it again. And like objectively look at it, not at yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think the fourth, fifth time is usually when I can, like, watch it objectively. So I... How was it premiering that at TIF? It was so fun. Yeah. Yeah, it was so fun. I heard Tiff is like a really fun, fun place to do me. So great. TIP is really a fantastic, like, festival. Also, it's Canadian boots.

And we are all Canadian here spiritually. Yeah, I was like, wait. No, the movie's just so Canadian. And I'm like the only non-Catian. Love Canadians, though, right? It's true what they say, right? They're so nice. They are so sweet.

I'm so excited to see both of them, by the way, you guys. April 17th, Myelan kicks us out in theaters and theaters and theaters. And April 10th is Faces of Death. Yes, also in theaters. Also in theaters. Get to experience like two completely different versions of you. Did you know this? Because you feel, this is the thing about this industry, like is wild to me.

Like, this is why I love to know about the producing. Like, you filmed these years ago. I did not know Face of Death was even going to come out because what happened was we shot it. It was amazing. It was like testing well. Like everyone loved it. And then like the Hollywood powers that be like all the conglomerates like change the way that like people

sold off stuff. And then all of a sudden it was like I was like oh this I'm never like a show biz baby. I just shot this movie. I'm never going to see it. No. There is no world in which I thought these two movies were to come out at the same time. Is it overwhelming that they are? It is.

It's also fun. Yeah. Someone said Barbin Mile face as in Barbine High. And I go, wow, I love Barb and Myel Face. I told you, your fan edits are crazy. Thank you. Barb and Myel Face rolls off the tongue. It's going to, I think it's going to hit.

Don't choose one when you can see. Barbinheimer face. No, Barbin. Barbin Mile Face. Barbin Mile face. Y'all. Barbin Mile face. I also saw that you're a huge fan of Devil Wars Prada.

Oh, yeah, I am. So how excited are you for number two? I'm extremely excited. I love the Devil Wars product. I saw you, like, watch it three times a year. I watch it three times a year. There's like a few movies that I do that. Like white chicks is one of them.

Devil wears Prada. I need to do a rewatch of white ch-I. I didn't watch again. It holds up. I was actually watching 40-year-old virgin yesterday. It really holds up too. Some don't. But yeah, Devil Wears Prada is a perfect movie, I think, the perfect film.

Did you see that what Anne Hathaway said? She said to producers not to put models in who are so skeletal and alarmingly thin in the movie. I mean, per. I feel like that's great. Per. Per, yeah. Per. I think that that's great because also it's like this is a movie that will be seen.

by people and young women and all sorts of people. So, I mean, I feel like I wish that was like the standard in general. Yeah. Except then I have this like social media voice in my head. Like the like the things that I know would come up that are like justice for skeletons, you know. It's like, and you guys know what we're talking about though. And you know and you're just trying to do a little Twitter talk. You're just trying to.

And they know what they're doing because they love to chat. No, I think it's. think Anne Hathaway is... I think she's on the right way. Yeah. If... I think, like, since that is the standard and it is so normalized

and, like, that is what you have to do to be a fashion model, like, for it to not... For someone, like, Anne Hathaway, who's also a thin woman, she's just like, hey, just don't be too... Like, so visibly unhealthy. Of course, then you got to be like, what does that mean?

What does that mean? Someone is naturally. Yeah, right. Yada yada. And so, yeah, that's complicated. Woo! Good luck, Ann Hathaway. with Twitter. Good luck. Calma, calma. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. You're so fun.

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