Not Skinny But Not Fat - Barely Famous to Entrepreneurs w/ Erin Foster & Sara Foster

Episode Date: May 11, 2021

Erin and Sara Foster are not only gorg and hilarious but they are boss a$$ bishes ! Am I allowed to say boss bishes or is that cheugy? Anyway. I love the Foster sisters. They are not only witty af, but they built this sister brand that is supes inspiring! We talk about fears, their show “Barely Famous,” how them working together affects other relationships in the fam, their clothing line and their new podcast ! Support the show by supporting our sponsors! Talkspace: To match with a licensed therapist today, go to Talkspace.com and use code NOTSKINNY James Allen: Customize a piece at JamesAllen.com with code NOTSKINNY for 25% off sitewide – Exclusions apply. Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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You guys, I'm so excited for my guests today. This is one. It's like less natural. The intro is less of a natural part. So bear with me. You're being very professional. Because now I'm like awkward about it a little bit. Erin and Sarah Foster are on the pod today.

And I'm so excited because I love them. Do you like more? By the way, you know what's really funny is that we realize that like we should not be Aaron and Sarah Foster. Like that's like a married couple, right? Like when you think about it, we go like for a couple. We always say like Aaron and Sarah Foster. Like that's how people refer to us. But the truth is we're not married.

I agree, Sarah. And I think I felt weird saying it. I felt weird saying Aaron and Sarah Foster. Aaron Foster and Sarah Foster. It's been saying the foster sisters because they were like, Porn Twins. Porn Twins is quicker than being married. But Aaron, you're now a fish.

Tickman. Yeah, I know. Do you think that it works like the Tickman Foster? I think it really doesn't work. It doesn't work. I did like legally change my name just to get away. Yeah, welcome to the pot, Aaron Tickman and Sarah Foster. It's not landing.

But, but Aaron, you like, okay, you guys, for those who don't know, Aaron married Simon Tickman, who's Jewish, and you convert it to Judaism for him, which is a huge deal, like a huge deal. And that's a huge undertaking. What is that like, like, if you can tell us? Honestly, it was really a cool experience because I have always been sort of anti-religion. And Simon is like, comes from immigrant parents. And it's very important to be Jewish for him. And so I said to him, him, like, I'm going to go through the class and, and if I connect to this, then I'll convert, but if I don't connect to it, like, I don't really want to fake it. And it was really cool because they have couples do it together. And they teach you that it's not about, like, me learning Jewish, you know, tradition and then, like, being good enough to marry Simon. It's us going to classes together. And then they say that you really become a Jewish couple on the drive home from class,

discussing what you learn in class and disagreeing or, like, you know, pushing back on it or saying like what works for you, what doesn't work or what you want to implement in your household or whatnot. And so it was actually like a cool process. And then when I actually, you know, so the end of a conversion, you do this thing called a mikva, you go in the water and you speak to three rabbis. It's not like sex in the city where they like deny you three times. They're actually like very welcoming, but they have said no to people though, right? I don't know. You know what? Sometimes at the end of a conversion, they'll say like they don't think someone's ready, but it's not like a rejection.

I would have loved if you got rejected. I know. Like, Judaism doesn't reject to anyone, but they're like, you know what? She's just not good for the brand. And I'd feel like you guys, my wedding's in like six weeks so I need you to take me.

But you would have had Simon convert to Christianity because we're Christian. I ain't not no Christian. Was it important for Simon, Aaron? Or for his family? It was a non-negotiable. Wow. But he told me that.

time I ever, like, spoke to him. So he was very clear day one. Like, he's like, I'm not like some crazy religious person, but I have to marry a Jewish girl. So, you know, you don't have to date me. Was there anything behind that? Like, if you're not crazy religious and like, then why was it so important to him? It's something that you, you, you mean, you're Israeli, so I don't know if if you will understand this more than like Americans that I know and me and how I felt about it. Immigrant Jews is a very, very different culture than like American Jews. So Simon's parents are Russian and they fled Russia because they were not allowed to be Jewish there. So Judaism means something very different to his family. And it's not that they're, they're not like deeply

religious people, but they're deeply connected to the tradition of Judaism and to like furthering the bloodline of Jewish people and protecting it. First of all, I love that you've joined us. Like, I feel like you actually fit the Jewish brand. Thank you. I like to think that being Jewish is being like homey and cozy. That's why you started cooking. Yeah, exactly, because I'm trying to be a good Jewish wife. It's really sweet. It's, uh, and it's like become, you know, my 10 year old wants to be Jewish because she

associates it with Friday Shabbat. Oh my God. Vivi is such a vibe. He's a vibe. But like, like, are you a little bit, like, I feel like she's at the age where are you a little starting to get worried, like with the TikToks and that she dances like like too good almost, I feel like. No, but she can watch like a J-Lo, like she watched the J-Lo Super Bowl routine for like five minutes and had it. But what's so crazy is she's not like

public on any of these platforms. Like she doesn't have a phone. She has an iPad that she's only allowed to have on the weekends. Like we're actually very strict. Her dad is very strict. He's German. So it's weird. I think people assume like VV is like public on these platforms and she's like got a phone with her at all times, you know, because of when I post her. Yeah. She really doesn't. She has to beg like a dog for her iPad. And I can't even fathom if I gave her access to one to a phone at all.

I can't imagine what her vibe would be. Like her vibe is the way that it is when she has barely any access. Imagine her vibe if she like had a public Snapchat. But there's going to be a day. I mean, there's going to be a day. Oh, if I let her be public, first of all, she's gotten like, job offers. Like one of my favorite stories, I will keep it quiet, like, short because keep it quiet on this public podcast. I meant short. I'll keep it short, but we got an email

like a year ago or something from it. It was like, I have a note from the editor of Bazaar. And I'm like, oh, I'm sorry that they want us to do a cover or something. I don't know. Not a cover. They want us to do like anything. Anyways, long story short, they wanted her to, they wanted to know if Valentina would interview Lady Gaga for them. I was like, I'm sorry, what? You want... Anyway, Vee turned it down. No, she did it.

Why? She was too scared. Well, a couple things. I didn't want her to do it. I'm not like stage-momming, taking her to, like, milk studios, you know, to, like, wait in a room for Lady Gaga to be ready to talk to her. Oh, wait.

Okay, but no audition, like, she would have the job if she said yes? She had it. They were like, we would love for her. So I guess this was longer than a year ago, because this was for our stars born. They were like, we want VV to do the, like digital, like interview. That's so wild.

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let me know when you're in New York. Like tough. Can't do it. Like never be able to do it until then like never like legit okay next time oh okay don't like legit this was two years ago and it was like if you can't meet somebody in person then you can't do a podcast which is so odd because today it's like people in new york i fucking zoom with them you know it's just so much easier you should have all bought zoom stock two and a half years ago yeah that's Sarah that's my takeaway Sarah thinks in stocks I know you guys are so like businessy which we'll get to that but that's really like the vibe like Everything with you too is... My takeaway from the comment.

She's mine. Sarah, okay, so when Aaron came on my podcast, Sarah walked Aaron to my apartment, which was so cute. You did. I did? Yeah, you did. Wait, what? Yeah, you walked her. And then Aaron...

It must have been my way home or something. It was really not. Because, like, you were saying, I live on the Upper East Side and you were saying, maybe you were staying, like, Midtown Easty or something. But no, you went, you did it because you love her. And, um, and Aaron has, we both have a fear of elevators, which, Erin, did you get, are you anywhere? No, still same. Still same.

Yeah. And I, I don't know if Sarah knows this, but I cornered Aaron to take the elevator. Okay. So I came down to meet you because I don't know. Is that a thing you do in L.A.? You were like, you were like, are you going to come down? And I was like, oh, am I? And I came down.

It was only because I don't like to take elevators. Oh. But you just need someone in there with you. Like you'll do it if there's like a doorman or, right? Like someone who's to take it with me. Right. But you're so, so I'm scared of elevators too. So I came down by the, like I took the stairs.

And I was like, Aaron, should we take the elevator together? Did you? And I like freaked out because then I realized that she's terrified too. And then that made me feel really unsafe. Of course. Because neither one of them. of us would be able to handle if it got stuff. Nobody wanted to go on an airplane with someone else who's just as scared as flying as you. Yeah. I, but I'm the opposite. Like, I, when two people

are scared, like, I'll take the like, don't you remember? I was like, it'll be okay. Yeah. And it was the slowest elevator I've ever been in my life. It was, I regretted it. The man the doors closed it felt like a coffin. Oh my God. And I felt so bad. I'm like, this is how I'm breaking the ice. I'm like taking her on her biggest fear and like cornering her in the elevator. And then on the way, like, I didn't even make her feel safe enough because when we finish, she was like, I think we'll take this Sarah's down on the way. Yeah, I did. It was scary.

That's, for you, that's fun, though, because in L.A., you don't have to deal with it a lot. In New York, like, I've had to come, I've had to get over my fear of elevators a little bit because you can't avoid it. Like, you just can't. A lot harder in New York, for sure. And you're just not, like, you're, that's your, like, you're not going to try to. overcome the fear. I mean, I want to. I went to cognitive behavior therapy for like two and a half years and it got me taking them at all, but just with another person. I never like got to the part where I

could, I could be alone in them. But I'm definitely scared to like be a mom that like is scared to take elevators because you don't really have a choice. You'll just do it because you'll have a stroller. I was hoping that by the time I had kids, I'd have like a bodyguard and like staff or something. And it's just like not not happening. You're going to be the person calling Simon. He's going to be in a meeting. you're like, I need you to meet me at the pediatricians. Yeah. I don't care if you're in a meeting. He will.

I mean, every time we go to dinner, if I'm like, I'm going to go to the bathroom, he's like, do you need me to go with you? He knows that I'll lock the door. So, Aaron, that's why I connected with you so much even before, like, years ago because I was following you and I saw all those things that I felt so weird about and you were posting like, I'm the same way with bathrooms, especially if they don't have reception. I'm like, sucks.

I'm going to have to be with the door open. And if someone comes, I'll just get the full show. Didn't you tell me the story that you got stuck in? one that was like a regular thing. I got stuck in one with Simon actually. It was really scary. With Simon together? Was he together?

Like, was he fine? No. No. He was an elevator with her. He was with me. By the way, can I just say that the way that you're like, oh, and Simon like offers you go to the bathroom? Aaron and I fly together more, I mean, pre-COVID, more than her and Simon.

I fucking get up if I'm fucking sleeping out of my seat to go walk your ass to the bathroom on the airplane because she won't go in and I stand there like a you know like an incredible human I stand there you're actually very very good about my claustrophobic yes have you ever once been like by the way it's so nice that you'll be like chilling in your seat deep in a book deep in something interesting deep on some you know celeb gossip thing and I get up you do to walk you to the bathroom so we should take a moment to acknowledge that you know what you're right Sarah I I acknowledge that you are very patient understanding with my claustophobia you've stand there stood outside bathroom doors for me plenty of times.

I mean, it's crying. Look at her. That's the emotion. No, no, I'll tell you why, because I have, Sarah, the same exact fear. Like, Erin doesn't seem to care, but, like, I have the same exact fear. Like, Aaron, like, I'm trying to connect with you. No, I really do care. You know what it's like, like, there's something very childish about having this fear.

And it's like, when you're claustrophobic, it comes up a lot more than people realize. And you inconvenience the people around you a lot. and there's a lot of embarrassment around it. So, like, I hold it in and don't go pee if I'm out to dinner with people that I don't feel safe with. But if I'm with someone like one of my sisters or my husband, then I'm comfortable. Like, my friend Jamie, by the way, like, I'll say to her, like, can you just cover the door? And then I'll hear her 30 seconds later being like, Aaron's afraid of the bathroom. So I'm, like, holding the door for her.

It's so fucking crazy. I'm like, that's not being safe. Like, then now I'm, like, scared to tell Jamie to, like, hold the door because she, like, blows up my spot and tells anyone who walks. by, like, what she's doing, where, like, I feel like, Sarah, you're very discreet about it. And so it's not, like, advertise it. Jamie's going to, like, watch the door. And then next thing, you know, like, a stranger's going to walk in. And Jamie's be, like, talking to someone. Yeah, she's like, well, I don't know. It's so embarrassing. Like, I went to get my hair cut the other day. And in my head, I'm like a haircut.

Not sorry, my hair, like, highlights. Um, yeah, what's like. Not in this light, though. What the hell. Oh, it looks good. Thank you. I like it. Um. Um, interesting. Um, interesting. the listeners with this like depressing claustrophobia situation or do listeners like this? They'll deal. They love it. They'll relate.

Do you know how many people like? Yeah, maybe claustrophobia is relatable. I really don't like find enough people though that have our issue. I know. That's why I don't feel like I'm really offended. You're not like, oh my God, Amanda. No, I really do connect with you. I guess that it's just the idea that you do take elevators of all.

But let me tell you. You have to. I can't get there. But listen to me. first of all, I've had my ups and downs and I have times where I was taking it by myself but I think I just started Zoloft and it was like went to my head

and I thought I was invincible and then it came back down but now like Noah like you know and which is so funny you say safe like a safe person because I use the same that's her name. I know which like did you tell Sarah it spelled wrong on your freaking neck in Hebrew? Yeah but you know what? I talked to Jen Meyer about this recently and

and I learned that No way. No, I mean, it's in Hevers. You can't tell. But basically, they did try to create that separation. It's technically there. It's just not spaced out enough. So you can't like it. It's supposed to be. It's technically. Did you cheap out on the slash? Well, talk to Simon. I get supposed. Like it like it's like it's a it's like a it's like a separate. I'm not. I see it. I see it. Can you go, Amanda? Yeah, fluently. That's why we're talking about you guys. Aaron knows her future baby name already and it's on her neck. And it's on her neck. in Hebrew. And I speak Hebrew. So when I saw it, I was like, um, that's spelled wrong. Kind of like when a Chinese, like someone gets a tattoo in Chinese. But it's a little like mistake a row. But you could just like saw off some diamond or something. And told them to space it down. They're like, I don't think that it'll work. But when you were saying about safe people, it's such a relatable thing for me. Because that's how I think of things, like, of a safe person, somebody I feel safe with. That's why I've avoided like a lot of girls trips and things like

that just because of people. Oh, my God. I'm so bad on girls trips. I never feel safe. But you, but Sarah seems to be like your safe person. And Sarah, I always see and like,

I told Aaron that my, my younger sister really relates to you and how you are on planes that you always go and ask the, like, don't you always go and talk to the pilot and ask about the weather? That cockpit and just wants to talk to about it. And she's like, annoys him with like the dump.

She's like, so are there clouds today? Because I looked on the weather app and it actually says cloudy, with the chance of hail. Where is the hail hitting? I looked at it's over Michigan. Are we going to go above Michigan or below? Because I personally think that the best is if we go this way and you're like, are you telling the pilot what route you think is best? I will literally try to negotiate with them to go like a different route after, you know. And let's be really clear to people who are listening. We're not talking about private planes here. We're talking about Delta United American. We are talking. Can anyone get to the cockpit? I just go. I just go. No, no. Not like you can. You can't. can't go once you're, once you've taken off. I go the second I walk on the plane. I put my back. You know, it's always open. And I kind of like lie to the steward. Because you're not supposed to go in. But I'm kind of like, oh, I have to use the bathroom. And then I just like sneak up. And then what do you want? You want reassurance that the weather is good and that makes you feel good? I just need to know everything. I track the

flight the whole way. So I know when we're going into like weather. So I like to say I see that there's weather in this part of the country, are we above it? Are we in it? Are we below it? And sometimes they'll be like, oh, we're above it. It's going to be a smooth ride. They're like, listen, in two hours, like, we won't be. It's going to be crazy. They're like, we won't be able to go above. It will be in it. But I assure you, it's the safest way to travel. Like, right, but let's just go around it. And they're like, well, we can't go around it. She, like, negotiates the route with them. It's like, this is not ways. Like, you don't get to just, like, decide. Like, I remember I say at the point, I was like, I was like, I see that we're scheduled to be at 34,000 feet the whole way, but I really think that if we could just do 37, this is crazy. It's crazy.

And some of them humor me. Some of them like listen and they're like super in a crop top being like, um, sir. I think that this route is a little better at 37,000 feet. They're like, okay, abs. Keep talking. You're a supermodel. I'm usually look horrendous. And some pilots are literally like bitch out. Like they're not feeling it at all. It's really a touch and go. Like I don't really know what I'm getting. First of all, isn't it weird that Aaron's claustrophobic, but she's like miss like flight attendant? Like, isn't that a little weird?

But are you claustrophobic on planes? Because I'm not. Yeah. I mean, it's such a claustrophobic thing. It's a spate. It's an air. It's like a closed enclosed thing. You can't open a window.

It's claustrophobic, Aaron. I know interesting is I am so accommodating to her, but she will never give me the window. It's like, Sarah, that's not true. We, we, we, you always have the window because of your issue. And then I started sleep. I started separating us. I started sitting separately from Sarah a couple years ago because she always wants

the window because of her fear, which I respect. So I always gave it to her. But then I realized that like, sometimes you did on a flight at 6 a.m. to New York and like, I want a window too. Because I want to sleep, you know, on the wall. And so I'm like, let's just not sit together. Let's both take one. All of a sudden, she's independent, Sarah.

All of a sudden, she's like, I don't need you. But by the way, if I need to. But by the way, if I need to go to the bathroom, I stop by her aisle. I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm dead. You know what? If we ever get back to like flying again and being normal again, find someone else to step. I'm sorry, Aaron, but like, I'm sorry. You're going to separate her and not to next her and then tap her and be like, come to the bathroom? Yeah. And by the way, I've had to sit next to some real doozies.

Let me tell you. I've had to sit next to some real chatty Kathy's where truly it's like five hours of my life I can never get back because this one has to also have a window. Wait, Sarah, but so does turbulence scare you or? Yes, I can't. It's, it's really bad. So what? Like a phobia podcast now? I know. What people, no one's listening. I just want, we all need to understand. You guys are, no, oh my God. So how are you in business together? Because both of you are very controlling. You've tried to control my pot. This is what I do. I converse. Now I'm going to get negative podcast reviews. The trolls are waiting to be like, Amanda asks

questions. She didn't prepare. Like, I just see the trolls. I see them coming. I see the negative comment. Even the guests, it's going to say, even the guests. I called her out on it. We're just insecure that we want to be like interesting enough, you know? So you can cut all this out.

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people that have no business having a podcast, like my dentist has a podcast. So do you feel like you're, were you almost like, wait, should we even do it because it's like everyone already has one? Yeah, I just, I don't know. It just felt like we've been, we've been trying to plan it for three years. I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's like such a simple thing that like for some reason we overcomplicated it in so many ways and I don't know.

It just took us, I don't know. We just had a lot going on and just took a lot of time. But it just sort of felt like Sarah and I want to be able to create sort of like a central hub of things where we can like talk about the things we care about and like and it just it just made sense to do it. I mean, not that we like need one more thing to do, but it just seemed like that we needed it. But you do it once a week. I feel like that's going to be hard. Yeah. Like actually once a week, you're really good at being on top of it. So you do it once a week and you never miss your week. No. Jesus. But you, you got you, you could be different. You could be like, boop, podcast drop.

Hey, guys, I know we launched, but we're going to be, um, take on a hiatus for like, I know we launched last week, but we're now on hiatus for three weeks. We're just going to take a little break. Are you going to have guests or is it going to be just you two talking about this stuff? It'll be both. So there will be some episodes. It's just the two of us, like, arguing and talking about whatever and like me like telling Sarah, she's a horrible person. And then other episodes will have a guest. You, I heard you're, you're going to have some really, really, really famous guests.

we're not, we've only had one famous person. Yeah, like, the truth is, like, everybody is doing. That was the name, that was the name drop. I didn't know if I could drop. Oh, yeah, yeah. But we didn't want to talk to Chris about, like, the celeb stuff. We really wanted to talk to her about the business ventures and how the fuck she managed to create two billionaire daughters. Like, that's the stuff we wanted to talk to because I feel like every celebrity has been on every podcast.

Like, do people really want to listen to us? But not, but not the car, not the car Jenner's. really do podcast. Chris actually hasn't done a lot. So I, yeah, I really tried to ask her questions that were like more vulnerable.

Aaron was like Diane Sawyer, like hard hitting. I was like, calm the hell down. Chris, what'd do it for lunch? Aaron's like, no,

Sarah, no, Chris, I really want to know what would you, what would, what do you want people to know about you that people, and then she like asked her

about like the kimono drama. I'm like, Erin, Diane Sawyer, like sit back. Was she a vibe? Is she such a vibe? Yes.

She really is great. The truth is. She's really, she's a, she's just, she's a very like, I said this to her that it's interesting because the Kardashian brand is so all about like over the top glamour and so much of everything. And she has the personality of a very salt of the earth person. Like that really is her feeling. Like you have a dinner with her and she's very present. She's not like in like a mom of your mode.

She doesn't talk about any of it. She's just like, I don't know. She seems like she's, she's really focused and present and like feels like a. like a really, like, whip smart mom. And she's also just supportive. She's very supportive of other women. Yeah. And she, listen, at the, at the nucleus of all, all of it, right?

They're just a really tight-knit family. Would you, are you jealous that, like, Chrissy Tegan did align with her? Like, would that be a goal of yours to do, like, a venture with her? That's a good point. I mean, what the fuck? Honestly, what the fuck. Now that you brought it up or upset. But, she didn't.

Oh, okay. She called me like two years ago, or she didn't call me. She texted me and was like, we need to talk. Like, I need to talk to you guys, like, insinuating like we need help. And why don't we ever follow up on that? Or maybe she didn't follow up. Manage us. I mean, hello. Well, well, we did ask for like how many like celebs or like losers like us have asked you to manage them. Can you imagine how many people, though, that aren't them? All she has to say that everyone is she only manages her family. No, but remember when she broke out for a minute, she was managing, like, Randos singers and stuff?

She was? A girl band. She did, but it might have been just for the show, but there was like a girl band situation. That thing that you posted, oh, no, I thought that was a Kardashian thing. You're, like, obsessed with Courtney, though, right? Is that, like, a bit, or you, like, are really obsessed with her? I really am, but I'm starting to think, like, how are we going to ever be friends if I

keep this going? Yeah, because you want to be, like, her equal, you know? You don't want to, like, be her, like, fan. I think that's lost. I think, no, listen, at the end of the end of the end of the, the day, I'm a superficial ho, and I like the way that she looks and dresses. So. I do too.

Someone posted a picture for the other day. She's so own actual. She was like 38 or whatever. And she's a thousand times hotter at however old she is. She's 42. She looks amazing. And honestly, like everyone loves the Kardashians. I love them too.

And I just think she's the best one of them. I really want to talk to you about your working relationship, you and Aaron, Sarah and Aaron, because you have so many other siblings. but we'll just talk about Jordan, who's your one sibling that's from the same mom and dad, right? Because we're three sisters and I'm always like comparing our lives to yours

because we have so many fights of like sisters stuff. And on the outside, it seems like Aaron and Sarah have, you know, business together. They work together. You write together. You've acted together. And Jordan is like, seems like she doesn't have a problem with it.

Now you're doing favorite daughter, the three of you. you, right? Yeah. I mean, the whole brand started because Aaron and I were actresses, right? Like, that's all we, that's what we had done since high school. So the brand started the quote, we didn't set out to be like a sister brand, to be clear. That was not like, ooh, like, it could be really cool if we were this, there's like a hole in the market for like funny sisters. Yes. When I called Sarah and said that me and my manager had this idea for barely famous, she was like, no, that sounds very weird. I was like, I'm busy. I'm on a show. I was on like a weird show and didn't want to do it. And so

yeah, we didn't set out to do this. But when we did barely famous, it never, it didn't make sense at all. Jordan wasn't interested in being on it. She's like an actress on camera in front of the camera or anything like that. So she is really funny. She is really funny. Yeah. She had no interest in it. But then, you know, that snowballed into like a bigger thing. And the truth is is that Jordan is just very like, she's very solid in like who she is and what she wants and what she's interested in. And she's never been interested in a spotlight of any kind. Clearly we are. And but then I think that there was a point where, you know, she started to say like, listen, I don't want to do what you guys are doing at all. And like I couldn't do it. Like she would crumble like speaking at like a

speaking event in New York to like 100 girls. Like that's not what she wants to do. But she's in fashion. She's a stylist and like a really talented. We would come to New York and she would style us for an event and we would like get compliments that we looked better than we'd ever look before and we and it was always like so fun to be able to do something together. And so she just, she got to a point where she was like, I'm just jealous that you guys get to do stuff together. Like it would be so fun if I got to travel with one of you or like we could do things together. Like I'm never envious of what it is that you're doing. It's just that, you know, we get to be together. But even her saying that wasn't like a so what do you got for me? She would just say. it like she wasn't she was never like what about me what about me never like she has two kids she lives in new york she's a stylist she's not trying to be an actress so when favorite daughter came about when the opportunity came to erin and i it was the natural inclusion of oh well this is the perfect thing to bring jordan in it's fashion like erin i don't even know anything about fashion we have no business having the clothing line jordan actually when jordan closes her eyes the thing that her dream was

always to build a brand. So like it actually, it just made sense. Yeah. So it was a natural thing, obviously, to bring Jordan to a favorite daughter because she has a stylist. So is it the three of you? How does, how does like the work divide in the clothing line? Like is she, does she like design and you're doing more of the marketing stuff? No, it's kind of tricky because like it's her first time running a brand with us. She worked with the girls who started Lillene, if you know, that brand. So she was there for the launch of that brand. So she was there for the launch of that brand so she did like learn a lot like watching that and just kind of she just sort of understands like color trends and like cool ways to like like what we should be focusing on and how to stop things

from being cheesy or like chasing a trend but we all kind of share like I think it's just taking time for us to learn how to delegate Sarah and I are not great at delegating we always like need our hands and eyes on everything and it's to a fault where we just did Barbara Cochorin how do you say Barbara Cochran right Barbara Cochran I always read it as Cockcray It might be Cochran. Oh, okay. Well, the awesome lady from Shark Tank, we just did her guess. And she was so focused on this thing of like, who do you have in your life that you can delegate to?

And it's so challenging because we feel this like need to be like have our eyes on everything. And it's really hard for us to let anything go. And we have to get better at that because we can't do everything. Right, because we're doing just so many things and we're not doing any of them at 100. So we're all, like we have someone amazing, this woman, Montana, who like is the head of the snake for basically every, she's like the CEO of all of it. She does, she's involved in everything without her. We would have zero business, like legit. That's true. So we're just trying to figure out how to delegate, you know, favorite daughter, it's new. So we're micromanaging everything because

it's us for the faces of the brand, right? But the goal is in a few years, we don't want to be at every fitting. You know what I mean? Hopefully we're on a television. set. And we're doing all the other things that we're doing. So you're doing a lot of things. A lot of things. Okay, you guys, don't you want to be pretentous about wine? I do. I don't want to be like, oh, the white, you know, one that's, you know, cheap on the minute. I want to know what wines I love. Wouldn't that be a vibe? This episode of Not Skinny, but Not Fat is brought to you by bright sellers. They are the wine subscription service that helps you find the wine that you love. You go to their website. You take a quick seven question quiz and they pair you with wines

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And I think not only me, but so many people are upset. it ended after season two. And if you guys want to watch it, where can we find it? Amazon Prime. iTunes. Did you have an accent? Amazon Prime.

It's an amazing, amazing show. I loved it. I'm like really shook that it kind of fell between the chairs. I don't know if that's saying in English, but it is in Hebrew. It was just on the wrong, it was just, listen, we can't knock being on VH1 because they gave us an opportunity and they put our show on the air and they basically

let us, like, for the most part, make the show we wanted to make, which is really hard to find. But at the end of the day, people aren't going to VH1 for comedy. And it was a complicated show to get people to understand anyway. So when you're stuck between like, you know, dating naked and some other like show, it's like confusing for people. We needed to be on like a Comedy Central or a Bravo maybe. Bravo. Because a Bravo wasn't interested because our show was poking fun of reality TV. But I feel like today it would be different. I I feel like if you were before your time, I feel like. You might have been before your time.

Yeah, they were into the idea, but they really wanted to just get the actual reality show, which is just never going to happen. And so we needed people who were really on the ride with us to make a satire. And it was hard to find that. And then once the show was hitting, then like someone from Bravo reached out saying like, why didn't you pitch this to us?

Like we would have bought this. And we were like, we did pitch it to you to some low level person who basically laughed us off. And like some person blew us off and like gave us like an assistant. in the meeting and like they clearly weren't interested. And then once they saw what it was, they wish that they had said yes. And so it sucks because like it was such a special show. It was really unique. It's really hard for us to recreate that. We've been thinking thinking of ways to do that for the last few years because people loved it so much. We're really proud of it.

And like we wish we could do it again. But it was an ambitious. I get why no one wanted it. It was ambitious. It was a scripted comedy where we were playing ourselves. Like that was no one had a clue who we were at the time. Like it confused people until you saw it, right? But it's Isn't that kind of like still your brand? Because I feel like just now, Sarah, didn't you post something for Kate Hudson's birthday? That was like kind of what you were on the show. It was like the same vibe.

That was a scene from the show. That was the scary. Oh my God. I didn't remember that scene. No, it was a scene from the show. Yeah, it was. This is the first episode, right? It's a pilot.

Yeah, it's the pilot episode. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. I freaking loved it. I loved it. I really. do think that it was ahead of its time. And today it would have been, it wouldn't have

ended. I know. It's, it, I sometimes like when I can't sleep and I'm just thinking like, oh, we'd be on season eight of barely famous. It would be like the biggest show ever. If we were on Netflix, we'd be on season eight. And okay, aside from favorite daughter and your upcoming podcast, you found a way to be like, oh my God, no wonder Barbara Cochran, I hope that's her last name, um, wanted you on her podcast because you're like, you became kind of like investors. Like, right? You started working with Bumble's creative directors. And then are you still with Get the Mirror?

Yeah. So we, we met Whitney Wolf like four and a half years ago on a panel in New York. I was there. I came. You were there? I came to see you. Did I know that? No, not.

You told me to come, Aaron. Don't fucking make me seem like a loser. No, I think this is a different one. This is a different one. You didn't come to the one where we just went to speak to employees. Oh, no. I came to the Bumble like, hub like it looked like maybe i just forgot because this is four years ago no that was got to be it in

with whitney were you guys friends in 2017 yeah i think we were whoa you guys are like wait at the bumble hive Whitney was on the panel right yeah but it was like cute it wasn't employees people bought tickets there was like a bar no employees you're right it was that one i'm sorry i forgot because it was four years ago i just forgot yeah and then you went out for drinks and it happened that night yes exactly you were at that that That's so funny. I remember this now. Honestly,

I was also really drunk at that event. No, you were. You were. I rarely do this. And like sometimes, you know how people will be like, oh, you should come to this.

Like, I'll never go. And because I really liked Aaron, she was like, you should come and I went, which like, I'm shocked to myself that I came,

I'm like shocked. But I came to see you guys speak and you were so funny and it was so good. And then literally that night, you, so she just had you on the panel as like speaker,

like guest speakers. It was just like paid to speak and on a panel and went to New York and it was like so fun and we met Whitney for the first time that night. And then we got drinks with her after. We hit it off and she was like, I'm launching this new arm of Bumble called Bumble biz and I would love for you guys to help me launch it. Yeah. So we got really, really lucky in that situation that Whitney took a chance on us and brought us into the company and we started working for her. And it was an amazing, amazing time. And then because of that, everything leads to the next thing, which is what I always try to talk about. Like, say yes to the dress. No, say yes to the things that seem like you

aren't ready for or scare you. Like, what's the worst thing that happens? Like, you fail at it or you learn that that's not what you are meant to do. Because everything kind of teaches you something new about yourself. And like, you don't know your full spectrum of skill sets until you test them out. And so we were able to do this job and have this relation with Whitney that taught us a lot about ourselves. And so it brought us into this other lane of working with a tech company and coming up with clever ideas for marketing or putting campaigns together and thinking of like interesting creative ways to launch part of a company. Like we had never done that before and we really enjoyed it and we learned a lot watching Whitney. She was so young. You know, she was like 27 at the time like building

this massive company. She's like 31 years old. Oh my God. No, I can't. There's so many young, like. I mean, but it really teaches you that if you do anything and you do it well and you give it your all and you like treat people well and you don't have an ego around it, it will create other opportunities. And then you're going to land on the one that is right for you. And so Bumble was a really amazing experience. And then years later, maybe a year and a half ago, uh, Brin, who, uh, invented the founder, she's the founder of MIR, she came to us because of the success of Bumble and said, you know, I want to do the same thing for us. And obviously every company is different, but it was also a great opportunity. We really liked the product. We would like, like,

could see ourselves using it. We, you know, we've been very fortunate that these two companies we started with, you know, one Bumble had this like huge IPO and then MIR had a huge exit. And it put us in a position where a lot of founders come to us and ask us to invest in their companies. And it's like, you know, we didn't ever plan for that to be where we're at. We didn't plan for any of this. We never had vision boards or, you know, we didn't go to college. We have no education. We, this was not, this was not a plan. We've really just maximize the opportunities that we've gotten because we don't have business degrees. We do not have, you know, we were not theater majors. We Aaron taught us. Sarah really recently, we were in a dinner and Sarah.

Aaron taught herself. Sarah was like, I love business. You know what? I have got to go back and finish business school. And I go, no, no, that's what I said. I said, I need to go back to business school. Yeah, she goes, I need to go back to business school. And I was like, I'm sorry, were you at the school to begin with? Because you didn't go to college. So I don't know what you're going back to.

But I believe that you would be starting college and go to business school. I think you should. I really, truly, what did Simon say, you should be, you'll be a Falcon, a Phoenix. It'll be a Phoenix. I think you probably, and this is like putting down education systems, but I feel like you probably got more experience in real life than you get with the degree. Well, listen, all these founders, they, you know, they work off of instinct. And the thing that we learn and why we are able to do any of the jobs that we're doing as advisors to these companies is because it's really not about the things you've learned in college.

It's about your instincts. Are you a creative person who knows what people like, who knows what people want, who can think of clever ways to pitch a company or, launch a new product. And that really comes with just being an interesting person who like pays attention to what ads they like and what marketing they're drawn to. And it's really a creative role in everything that we do. And you don't get, you can't learn that. That's something that you sort of have in you or you don't. I feel like you took influencing to like the next level. Like you're not like you took influencing instead of being like an Instagram influencer and being like swipe up, swipe up, which I may have, you know, become, is you took that to the next

level. Like you took it to working with brands to actually like invest. So investing in them. So does that mean just like a business question? Does that mean you have equity in the brands that you work with? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not all of them.

Listen, we're not above doing a swipe up for like Lamare. You know what I mean? We don't own shit. from LaMere. We just get, of course. I would love to have equity in that. Yeah, we're not about that, but, but listen, Instagram is an amazing tool and it's really helped us leverage certain partnerships and it's amazing and we need it. But Instagram is not our job, you know? We really have found, and by the way, it's not yours either. No disrespect to people where that is their job because it's a real thing. I mean, people are probably making more money than us just on Instagram. We probably

don't, you know, use it to the most of our, we look at it like we started with a different skill set and then like brought the thing that we had done somewhere else and like used it on Instagram. But we didn't like create what we're doing on Instagram. And that's why we don't think of ourselves. Well, we don't have a team. You know, we don't have people are like, oh, did you like, we don't have. Like what are you were laughing about the bachelor, the girl of the bachelor having an assistant really made me laugh. There are two. One has two. It's really funny. Well, where we do need help is like with favorite daughter, with that Instagram. we want to hire someone to help us make reels and like but the way i feel about that is if you have to hire

someone to project your own image out into the world then there's something wrong with you you mean on your personal social yeah on your personal social if you need to pay someone to be you on instagram then i hope you're fucking bill gates like i hope that you have like wait do you think they're not do you think jennifer anison like does her own instagram i mean you would know yeah she does she does that's different she's not really like occasionally she's posting like a video of her which is definitely her doing that. But it's mostly like business stuff. It's not like she's posting,

she's not projecting an image of her stuff. She is not hiring someone to come in and do her Instagram for her. I'm sure there are a lot of celebs that do that though. Yeah, they probably do. And I just think that it's lame. Well, there's two different things. I think there's celebs that hire someone because they're too fucking busy doing their real job,

which is starring movies and having crazy schedules, right? So there's people that just don't have the time to deal with it, to help them, right? Like Courtney Cox has someone because she doesn't have time, right? but then there are people which by the way this is no disrespect to those people it's it's a full business in itself but there are people where their entire life it is Instagram right it is all day every day like if I go four days without posting like it's not that it's not going to change it's not going to change my life yeah no I don't go two seconds without posting but for you

but for you that's that's funny like you have the ability to like go like this and talk to your followers and it's like really funny and really engaging and not annoying. When I do this, it texts me and goes, don't ever do that. You're really painful. Like, stop talking to the camera. Well, listen, it's really, I think that it's very authentic to me. Sarah, coming from you, that's a really huge compliment, I have to say, because Sarah, you did intimidate me until, like, today.

Really? Okay, because I find you to be so not annoyed. Like, you're very likable because you feel like yourself. Like, it feels natural. like now I think that people use Instagram as a way to portray themselves how they wish they were or what they would like for people to think that they are. And everyone has this like pretense they put on. They either pretend that they're funnier than they are.

Oh, that's the new thing. Women like are copy. Yeah, they just like copy actual like comedians and like it's just like fake. They're not actually funny. They're really. Can you send me an example of who this is? Because I feel like you are talking of someone like specific. I need to know.

I will. No, but it's a lot of people who project their life as being like so perfect and like people who are just pretentious and people who are just like fucking phony. And it is very, very unique now to have anybody be just authentically themselves and really whoever you are and whatever you are, being authentically you is always going to be more compelling than being like a fake version of yourself. And you are a very unique person because you are authentically yourself. And when you are talking to the camera, it's not annoying because you're not, I don't think, thinking about how you're coming across, you're just being yourself. And honestly, I know it sounds like ridiculous, but it's very

hard to be yourself for most people. Like, it's very hard for someone to be vulnerable at the right time and like confident at the right time. And people are always trying to like mimic something that they see on the internet. And, and it's just, you don't find people being themselves. And so I think that that is why you are like really growing as like the way you are and like so many people are aware of you now is because you can't really find that on Instagram anymore. Oh, my God. Thank you. No, it's so true what you said because I loved how you explained it, Sarah, like how you

became what you became. It's not this, like, annoying story of, like, Demi Moore was found in a mall, like, oh, it just happened, but it's also not this, like, the way people, the way so many people today would be like, well, how did you start? And, like, did you manifest and did you vision board? And, like, how'd you grow your following? And it's so annoying to be like, you know, it just happened, but it didn't just

happen. It's just one thing let's another and you took opportunities and you maximize them and I know it's like annoying to, but you have what it takes and you're funny and you're interesting and you're smart and you're both like writers and actresses and all these things

which like it's a lot of things. I try. But did, oh Aaron you wrote you wrote but you didn't you help write the show? Yes, of course and there was a lot of improv. we had a, we had a writer's room. I'm barely famous. But no, Aaron's a real writer. Aaron wrote on a Ryan Murphy show. I mean, Aaron is like a skilled writer. I have really good idea.

She's such a good sister to you, Aaron. You should really appreciate her more. Amanda. No. I'm sorry. Yeah. Aaron's the devil and everyone should know. And I'm wonderful. Amanda, you met Sarah today. Remember that. Okay. Listen, I didn't, I'm not telling her to, I'm not telling her to say anything. Wait, so summer sold. I just want to, because that was another company that I saw you recently, Sarah started or did you invest in them as well? Listen, I don't, yes, they came, you know, I did just like a regular, they didn't come to me. It's a mom-daughter thing. So I, they came to me. It's a model swimsuit thing. Yeah, exactly. It's for model. Sorry, it's only for models. And when they came to me, listen,

I said, look, I believe in your company. Like, I know your numbers. I know like you guys are doing crazy revenue. Don't pay me. Give me equity in your company. I never taken a dollar from them. I said, I want equity. Isn't equity when some, when they only sell it, you would get the money? Yeah. But that you have, but that's me believing in them long term. Really? I believe in them. So I could have said like, yeah, great. Put me on a retainer and I'll, you know, advise and I'll do all the things. Keep your cash and I want to ride with you. Wow. You're like, that's why you don't need business school because you, just know the biz.

Yeah, but I had to learn that. I didn't know shit four months ago. Like before Bumble, four months ago, or five, four years, whatever, five years, four and a half years ago, I, I've, I've had to learn. And I think, I don't know, I just, if someone had told me five years ago that this is where we would be in our lives and in our careers and I would have never imagined it taking the turns that it has taken. My 20s were super depressing.

I was a huge loser. I... You weren't a loser. No, I wasn't a loser. No, I wasn't a loser, but I wasn't like living... I wasn't happy. I wasn't living to my potential. I was like, you know, I was acting...

You were unfulfilled. I was unfulfilled. I was acting and I was going on so many auditions and not getting jobs. And I was like, what the fuck? Like, what am I supposed to do? I was like, should I open a Mexican restaurant? I thought about that.

Did you? This is the first I'm hearing of this Mexican restaurant. No, but like, when you're not, getting acting roles like you have to start at like 25 you have to start kind of going like okay what what plan plan B you know but it's I think especially for actors it's so hard to even conceive of a plan B because it's so hard to give up on I always think it's going to be the next one so the truth is like we had to freaking write something for ourselves did you did you give up on like auditions and acting though I didn't give up because I mean listen I I I I I I I I

I really got lucky when I was 21. I got really lucky. I audition like two times for this major movie and I got it. Right? I like beat out Scarlett Johansson. I beat all these people. Whoa. Beef alert. I feel like you can playing something like you can like brag about something like that if it was like over 15 years ago.

Yeah. Wait, what movie was this, Sarah? Exactly. You'll never know. It's called the Big Belmont because it was like no one's not. Oh, of course. Is that with Owen Wilson or something? It was like Owen Wilson.

in Morgan Freeman, and I was the female lead. You were the hot chick. Yeah. So it was like... Sarah. I'm like having an image of you on like a... What's it called? What's that thing in the ocean?

Like a Cedar. Oh, look at like a, like a, yeah, like a, um, jet ski. Yeah. I don't know. But... I think you are. I think you are too. But from that, it was like, everyone was like, oh, you're the next, like, Cameron Diaz.

Like, this is crazy. And I fully bought the hype. I bought it. Sarah, every day, I was like, I'm the next Cameron Diaz. I had everyone telling me, you are the next Cameron Diaz. And I was like, I am the next Camero Diaz. Turns out not the next Cameron Diaz. Went on like so many auditions after that.

The movie bombed. Like, four people went and saw it. It was a really bad movie. I bought a ticket. Thank you. That's really sweet. Anyways, it was like, so when you have something like so big like that just fail. And when you buy your own hype,

It, like, sets you back a few years. Set you back. But, but, like, if you get an audition, like, a script for Wonder Woman, too, like, you'll do the audition, now? We don't auditioning. We're not auditioning anymore. Not, like, oh, we're only author only. But, like, we're, we're really, we're in the process of she's writing something for us. We're also figuring out, uh, reviving barely famous.

So I think, yeah, look, am I, if, you know, like, you know, for Sazy calls. Or phasing calls, I might be like, okay, but that's not where I do be. That's not where my focus is anymore. That's amazing. You two are really like just inspiring in how you became such amazing business women and you're hot. Thank you so much for coming on, Erin and Sarah, even though Sarah like left the room. Sarah's like just peeing now.

She did not do that on Barbara Conference podcast. You did not go to pee on Barbara. I actually think I did. I do. Disrespect Amanda. First of all, I get crazy UTIs and drink a lot of water, so I have to pee every like 15 minutes.

Sorry. Is that TMI? No. No. Are you kidding me? Okay. What's coming up? Then we want to tell everyone.

Favorite daughter? Check out favorite daughter. They have such freaking cute stuff. And you should check them out. And World's First podcast. When is the first episode going to drop? I think the first episode is just Sarah. and I together. Oh, this week. Anyway, if you guys don't follow Aaron Foster, Sarah Foster

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