Not Skinny But Not Fat - Big News w/ Justin Anderson

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

Back by popular demand- celebrity colorist, owner of hair care brand Dp Hue, and Kristin Cavallari’s BFF, Justin Anderson!! We discuss being controversial on Instagram, our fave reality tv shows, Pete Davidson's appeal, and what Justin’s been working on (BIG NEWS!!) Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I'm so excited you're here. It's so good to see you. Well, I feel like I see you every day. In your face every single day of your life. Justin Anderson is here, you guys. one of my faves he was on before we had such a good time and he lied to me because he was like I'll come on all the time and then I tried to schedule with you and it was like three months fucking out so don't say I'll come out all the time I'll be your you know national correspondent and then scheduling with you isn't easy it shouldn't be hard I mean we need to have each other's like personal phone numbers because we're both kind of the same like we'll DM and we'll be hot and heavy and then all of a sudden one of us just go silent for a while like I go back I'm like that bitch now I'm respond to me. Like I literally just checked today. I'm like, wait, I feel like I just left something kind of open with her the other day that it's like no response. No, because you know when that is and

you guys probably know this when you do it with friends is like we were talking about something silly. So it's really easy to be like, bam, bam, bum, bum, bum. But then Justin asked me like to explain something that we were talking about. And I wanted to. I was like, okay, when I have a minute, I'm going to either voice note you or like write this out to you like this answer. And then you want to do it and have a moment, then you don't. And I feel like that's, maybe it's not a valid excuse, but it, do people know, people probably get it, what I mean. No, I think that's a, that's a really valid excuse.

And I actually do that a lot. I actually do that a lot on my text messages. That's why I turned on my red notification. So people know if I read it or not. Like, good friends can be like, hey, bitch, I saw that you read this, like respond. So I have my red receipts on for that reason on my, like in, on my text messages. So you want them to remind you? Like, you want them to be like,

Yeah, because I really, yeah, because I really just text with, like, my really good friends. So it's like, I'll read text message and I do the exact same thing. You go, like, shit, I want to write out a bunch of this. And then I'll forget and they can be like, hey, I saw that you read this. Like, what's up? Like, otherwise, it'll just go all the way to the bottom of the text messages. I know. It's really bad because I used to feel like there was no excuse for not responding.

It's to be like, we're all on our phones 24, 7. There's no excuse. But I feel like nowadays it's, it's different. Nowadays, like you can really miss a text message. have so many that'll like go down or whatever the fuck or be like t pain where you don't even know did you see that thing about t pain there was like months ago he didn't know there was a a request box on instagram so he missed like dms from like riana and like really important people being like we should collab he did this tic-tok it's really funny and you know i'm not on ticot so

when i see shit it's like the good shit i love the shit you pose from ticot so random like one day it's like a really sad story. One day it's something fucking hilarious. One day, I'm like, what do I have to expect today? Justin Anderson, if you guys don't know, you're a hair colorist by trade. Yeah, my hair colorist forever. And I was in LA forever doing all of my clients. And then I recently, or not recently now, it's two years. I've lived in Nashville. And I just really focus on my hair care line in DPU. And that's my money. The stuff is good. I need to send you more stuff. And we're coming out with amazing stuff right now. So I'll send you like a whole care I'll tell you on this. It's fine. I mean, it's supposed to be a secret, but we're coming out with a whole

line of styling products that don't affect your hair color. So anyone can use them, but especially if you have hair colors. I'm obsessed with the apple cider stuff. You have that apple cider rinse that's like between shampoos and I'm always between shampoos because I don't wash my hair a lot. And it feels so good. I'll just like, I'll literally use the bottle and just like squirt it all over my head. Because it's so good for your hair and we all shampoo way too much. So that's what it was made for was to like give your hair a break from shampooing because we shouldn't shampoo our hair every single day. It's like washing your favorite t-shirt every single day. It'll break down. Yeah. Color fades. Uh, so thank you for saying that. Wait, let me just point out right now that like you are hot. Like you get hotter and

hotter. Like you're like glowing your skin. Your makeup's perfect. Your hair color is perfect. Is that the same color from the last time you did like a year ago? Well, like I've never the thing. First of all, love you. second of all, I really do feel, don't you feel, Justin, that we're getting hotter with our age? Like, I got I do. I do. I got a troll one saying like this bitch sounds like she peaked in high school. I was like, bitch, I didn't peek in high school. Want me to show you pigs? Like, I'm peaking now. You know?

I swear that's where our like, um, social media confidence comes from because like I'm the exact same. I was so, well, I was cool in high school. So I can't say that. But I hung out with cool kids, but I was fucking weird looking. Like, I was always the awkward friend. Like, all my friends were hot, but like, I was never hot. And I know I'm not hot now, but I'm comfortable my skin. I know I'm not an ugly guy. But I have way more confidence now.

I feel like I'm getting hotter every year. It's so crazy. And I mean, I know people, you know, I'll give an example of like Corny Kradashin who's gotten hotter. J-Lo, you know, we got Hallie Berry. We have Shakir. We have so many hot women and men, but men are like annoying. And I don't know if it's like ingrained sexes.

or something, but like, it's like in your brain that men get hotter with age, but then you're like, wait, is this like internalized? Like, why do I think that? Why do I think that men get hotter with age? But in your mind, you don't straight go to thinking that women get hotter with age. Like, when a woman gets hotter with age, it's like, oh, that's surprising. But like, Steve Corel is a zaddy right now. And he was not hot on the, like, he was, he was not.

So, and all of a sudden he's on the morning show and I'm like, do I want to have sex with Steve grow. Oh my God. I totally agree. He's hot and that like all of his outfits. He's always like in Brunello Cucinelli, like just roaming around Italy. And I swear, I'm like, wait, why am I attracted to Steve Correll now? Why am I trying to like a sexual predator also? Thank you. But then also like I feel like guys, yeah, we always say that. But a lot of them don't. And I feel like if you're like really good looking younger, a lot of times it doesn't translate. But like Matthew McConaughey's, I used to think he was like the hottest guy. I don't find him attracting more. Brad Pitt still looks really good. George Clooney is a lot. as hot as he used to be. Leo debatable. Leo is debatable. Yeah, but he just has that really like sexual energy. Like there's just something like sexy about him. But I mean, like, if you look at old pictures now, I'm like, holy shit, he was so good looking back in the day.

I didn't even appreciate it when he was younger. I remember watching, um, Titanic and be like, he's not even cute. And now I look at him like, oh my God, that guy was gorgeous. I think that men, you're right. It's either or either it's like that child star that we've all had a huge crush on. now he's like, oh my God, like not good looking at all. Or it's like Steve Krell was like the nerdy office guy you would never look at. And now he's like a zaddy.

A lot of guys get, I call it big head syndrome. It's like, you know, Val Kilmer and like Alec Baldwin. Like they all kind of like grow their heads with wise. I don't know what happens there. Wait, do you want to know that a real thing is they say people who look the best on screen are people with really big heads? And if you start paying attention to it, like when I was doing hair on all my celebrity clients, I was like, holy shit, like all these women have really big heads. Like, it's like a proportion thing.

Like, if your head is bigger than your body, you look really good on screen. And I feel, and I so am with you, like those guys that they get older, their heads get bigger. It's a real big. I mean, let's take Leo DiCaprio's head circumference right now. I can assure you it's way bigger than Jack, you know, on Titanic. I can assure you Leo's head is bigger. How do we get to this? Well, look at it.

Look at Zach Ephron. I mean, Zach Ephron's whole face and head is getting bigger, right? I mean, and he's getting more abs by the day. More abs by the day. See, this is why I love you.

I don't even know what we were talking about. I could go down any tangent with you. Okay, you guys, I know you love coffee. I know you do. I know you're trying to stick to three a day, but you want seven.

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and fucking teaful. There were spoonfuls of tea because this was after Madison LaCroix Oh my gosh. That seems so long ago. And you were fired up and you had so much to say

I mean and also you wanted to kind of like squash it be done with it because it would just like went on and on. Doesn't that feel like ancient? You're like Madison. Oh, who? Like do you even relate to that time in your life right now? No. And it feels, yes, it feels ancient. And it also, honest to God, it is, like, one of the things I'm the least proud of.

Like, if I look back on things, I'm like, I'm embarrassed that I got to that place. I know why. And if it happened right now, I'd probably do it again. I mean, let's be honest, I don't know how to keep my mouth shut. That's why I would never be a good, like, celebrity that people really cared about because, like, I don't know how to keep my mouth shut. But that's, like, one of the biggest things that I'm the most embarrassed of. Because even, like, down to, like, if you Google my name, it's like, it's connected to that whole drama.

it's like so that like becomes like your your thing and um i'm really embarrassed you know and looking back on it's like i don't fucking care about madison you know it's like if all that didn't happen you gave her so much so much you gave her so much which is so weird to think about like if you're a normal person you're not happy to get that kind of like limelight right you don't want people talking about you negatively but some people i mean and you could probably know this even more than me you could probably attest to like there are people out there are people out there there that do embrace this like negative chatter like whatever the chatter is they're happy about it you know what I mean there are people like that in the industry oh absolutely and I've also

learned a lot like this past year that like people absolutely do that they'll create some sort of controversy when something's about to happen or they want some attention on it and it's it's a it's such an old story and it's like oh yeah duh but like I never really realized that that was like a strategic thing for people to do and um I learned my lesson with that certain situation because I was still in the place where I was like, I can talk whatever I want and nobody beyond my social media cared. But all of a sudden, it turned the thing, I would talk about Madison and it would become like an us weekly thing or an in touch, but the only reason it was happening because they would

always connect it to Kristen Cavalieri. So Kristen talking about. She's like, Justin, you just can't talk about things. Like people will pick it up and they'll turn it into a story. And I was like, holy shit, you're right. Like, it's a real thing. Justin is very good friends with Chris and Cavalary. and like you guys couldn't be more different on how you are in social media like you say everything and we'll get to like controversial things that you say and you don't give a fuck and Kristen like aside from you know personal picks and a few and her and her jewelry line like we don't get to see a glimpse into her personal life or anything really I mean I love when she gets drunk with her friend and like starts like going wild but you're very very different in that I mean you just made fun of her uh with

the she posted a pick of her kids and they were turned the other way and didn't she or she made fun of herself. She made fun of herself. I probably made. Oh yeah, yeah. I probably made fun of her and then she, yeah, and then she posted a postback and it's funny with that because Kristen and I were best friends. We talk all day long. I just finished the workout with her. We spent all our time together and I stopped posting so much about it on Instagram because it became this thing like everything was Justin and Kristen and it just kind of annoyed me because she is private and I didn't want people to always be me about Kristen or like everything turned in about Kristen but we talk about this a lot and she Kristen's the funniest fucking person on earth and I wish people could see more that like she has

such a sense of humor and if you just look at her Instagram you're like oh this bitch takes herself so seriously she doesn't like Kristen is so funny she gets the joke we saw her like we watched her yeah on the show so it's weird because you're right even I kind of forget it like if you just look at her Instagram it's like oh like very like you know very touched and very like, what's the word, curated. But all you need is a flashback to Cabo and you fucking remember who she is. But yeah, I mean, listen, not everyone uses social media the way I do, the way you do. Everyone uses it differently.

She probably uses them more for like business. She's less into like filming herself driving with her morning coffee like you do, you know. No, and she actually, she's funny about like she hates it. You know, she's always had attention from a young age and stuff. So for her, it feels like more like a job. We talk about this, but I genuinely enjoy it like you do. Like I enjoy it. It's not like work for me.

Like I, I hate when I have to do work stuff, to be honest. I hate when things are forced on my Instagram because all I want to do is just chat with people all day long. But I also get like little, I get in trouble for stuff like that. What's the most? What was the last? We won't say what's the ones. What is the last like controversial thing you sparked up a conversation about? I feel like you're kind of like Britney Spears.

You'll literally pop on. you'll be like, hey, guys, I'm not going to, I don't care about this, but I'm just going to talk about it, but like, I don't care. And then you're going to, and then you say some like really out there opinion. You're like, that's it. That's what I wanted to say. I don't care. But, you know, this is it. And then you get into the spiral of like, and then you get into it. Because then people respond to you. And then it becomes this whole thing. And all of a sudden from something you thought wasn't going to be a big deal that you were just going to like, poof about. That's kind of how the Madison thing happened. You came on. You were like, I have no stake in the game. I remember this is exactly how you said it. You were like, I don't even have. have skin in the game. I don't care. This is what happened. And from that, like, no skin in the game, it's spiraled. You know what ends up happening for me is it's like, because I don't have anything to hide and I think we should all be able to talk and we can all like, oh, I said that two months ago, but I changed my mind now, whatever. Like, it's always a constant conversation. But for me, the thing that throws me up is all say whatever I want. And then I do go into the DMs and I talk to people who follow me because I really like people who follow me. It's fun.

Like, it's engaging for me. And so I'll say something. All of a sudden, like DMs start getting really nasty and then also I'm like okay wait a second bitch I can say whatever I want and you don't have to agree with it you know how many people that I scroll on Instagram and they say things that I totally disagree with but I don't feel the need to be like I can't believe you said that unfollowed it's like how do you get through life like you walk down the street and you just have a comment for everyone on the streets you know so people will fire me up like with their DMs but let's be honest like I love it I think it's fun you know I'm a scorpio I'm the middle boy of three boys in my family. I've always liked to kind of stir up a little bit of drama. Like I like to say something

and get people talking, but I don't judge anyone. You know, and it's like I pride myself on being one of the people, like, I really could. Being from like super liberal L.A. and being in that whole world and everyone's conversation is the same and you all think the same. I pride myself on being one of people like, I can be around any type of person. And I don't need to fight. I don't need to push my opinions onto them. I like to hear the way that different people's minds work. So the South has been really good for me moving here. Everyone's like, how are you going to live in the South? Like, it's wild. And I'm like, to be honest, I feel like the South is more diverse than L.A. Like, it's way more open-minded. Like, people aren't fighting about politics. Everyone is genuinely like a good person. Again, I live in a really

nice neighborhood. And so it's like when the elections were happening, there were tons of Biden signs or a few Trump signs, but no one's fighting about it, you know? And I like that. I like getting a little bits of everything. I love watching CNN. I love watching Fox. You know, I watch the view every single day. Kristen Cavalieri's ex, speaking of Kristen, Jay, if Jay had Instagram, I mean, he really is showing his, you know, true colors.

Now that they're a divorce, I'm sure she had like a, you know, like a gag order on his, on saying anything because, I mean, if she was still married to him, the headlines would be crazy because he posts some, he's really into posting controversial shit. I'm the same way as you. I'm like, live and let live.

Like, I'm, even if he's, he's saying, you know, he doesn't believe in masks and I think you should wear a mask. I'm not going to like, you know, call him out and say that he should be canceled or anything. But he has some wild opinions that he's not afraid to share on an Instagram. And now it is Jay. It used to be if Jay had an Instagram because Kristen would like post for him. But now he's, he's active, baby. Yeah.

And that one's, I mean, let's be honest that that goes too far for me because we're in such a place where it's like, I just don't think there's any room for that kind of a conversation right now. That's clearly like a dig at people and saying, I stand on this side and you guys are all idiots. And I just think that's ugly regardless

of what you talk about or what you want to put out into the world. And when I was talking about how I say everything, I really like, I don't want to put down an entire group of people or I don't want to say something that could be damaging to what the bigger message needs to be.

So that was like shocking to me. Yeah, I saw that thing hold the thing go down. I also watched them. lose like immediate like 10,000 followers, you know, because it's like, it's just the shitty thing to put out right now. Everyone's in an uneasy place about everything. We don't need to like beat this thing down and be like, you guys are sheep or whatever all these people are saying, you know? And that was disappointing, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Probably feels weird to be like associated with that for, for Kristen and stuff. It's like, it's like you want to wear a shirt. Like, I'm not with that guy.

not well they but thank god i mean with that thank god they don't lump them together anymore because also that's so not christin and that's nothing that she would ever and you nailed on the head they're not together now so now you're seeing a version of like uh who he is or whatever but uh thank god christin doesn't have to be lumped in with that or even have to be around that you know okay you guys you know i love meal kits because i don't cook so i need you know it to come to my house pre-portion with instructions and Green Chef is just that. It's amazing. It's the number one meal kit for eating well. They have options for every lifestyle like keto, paleo, vegan, vegetarian, Mediterranean, gluten-free. So literally there's something for everybody and they just have really, really great meals.

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this but it's like there are contracts and there are things where it's like you cannot talk about this until it's announced so yes we are working on something it's been in the works for a while it's something that i'm super super excited about because it'll be really fucking cool but it's like there are things uh COVID has been holding it back a little bit but it looks like the ball is rolling now so and I'm excited about it if it goes through and it's exactly what we want it to be it's really really cool and exciting that is so excited. And I just am excited to work with Kristen because like we were saying, you know, she really is my best friend. And doing very capillary.

It was so much about Kristen, her business and her being married and all that. And I just popped in, you know, for two seasons. Like we ended up moving here. And so I was a storyline. But it was always Kristen's show. So I never felt like it was like really my personality. I always kind of like followed the flow. But what we're working on next will definitely be Kristen and I and about our friendship.

And people will really get to see us going deep and like really dealing with stuff. And I feel like it'll be Kristen again, too. Like Kristen is Laguna Beach. Kristen is the Hills. Very Cavalry was like this buttoned up version. And it was good for her business. And it showed people what a hard worker is. No one works as hard as that girl.

It's like shocking. So I love that people got to see that adult version. But it's like people want to see fun Kristen again. Oh my God. That sounds like such a vibe. I cannot wait. When we talked last time too, you're really close. Like really close.

Like mushy clothes with was it Craig and Austin? you guys were hanging out a bunch, doing double dates, loving on each other. Even when I had Craig on, who's like, I love them. I was like, okay, you guys, get a room. Like, so obsessed with each other. So did you watch Winter House? You know, I, I couldn't really watch it because it's like, I'm friends with Craig and Austin. And while it was happening, I would, I would FaceTime with Austin a bunch, like, when

they were really drunk and I'd, like, talk to everyone in the house. And I was, like, dying, like, how, like, it's such a fun group. Like, secretly I wish I could be in that house, but there's no place for me in that house. I feel the same exactly like secretly you want to be there but you're like no no I could never I would be mortified to watch myself in that state you know like if somebody let me just drink for two weeks I mean you see how I act on Instagram if it was filmed 24 hours for two weeks like I am messy when I drink so anyways I saw all of that stuff kind of go through I felt like I'd already seen the show and so I went to watch the first episode and I was just kind of like this feels weird

like I'm watching people that I actually know I already kind of know what's happening so when you're friends with people on shows it kind of takes the fun and the mystery out of it. So no, I haven't watched this season. Was it good? It was a shit show. It was really fun. I feel like that's the kind of reality TV that I love.

I like like relationship stuff, hooking up. Like, I don't know. Does that make me like a dirty bitch? Like if I watch a reality show and everyone is like in a relationship and there is no like hooking up, I don't want to watch it. Like that's what I want to see. I want to see people getting drunk, hooking up. Like, so there was a lot of that.

I'm the same as you. And I grew up like loving the real world. And I love the whole idea of putting, yeah, putting people into a house and really watch. Yeah, watching everything happened. That to me is like just really good TV. Like I love Summer House this past season. So I'm totally with you. I love seeing all that kind of stuff.

But it does change when you like know the people, you know. And did you see? Well, actually today, this the trailer for Summer House, which is going to come out in January. Oh my God. The trailer is fucking sick. Justin, if you haven't seen it yet. I haven't watched the trailer yet. And they're bringing in people from Winterhouse.

Like that guy, Andrea is there, right? So they bring up, I know. I've called him, Andrea. Do you think he's hot? Do you think he's hot? I have issue. That is so not my kind of guy. Like, I don't understand it.

I don't understand a guy that walks into a room and kind of like that RICO Swab thing. Like, I don't know how a girl could fall for that. I'd be like, you're a nerd. I know. Who does that work for? It's really surprising. It's really surprising.

His tidy whitties were really surprised. the amount of like ass cleavage was really surprising like yes it was very surprising he's he's like you're he could be a good like print model you know what I mean like yeah like for like a cologne or something yeah but I never want to hear a guy like that talk I just don't and like when they try to do like the over like sexual flirting thing I'm like who falls for this stuff like I rather somebody like Austin you like the Austin vibe like yeah I like you I want someone to like stutter a little bit be a little bit silly not take themselves that seriously so i don't know i mean i think hot is usually hot under the radar like let's be honest though even austin i would see right through that he's a friend of mine but i would see through that like my partner scoot is like the most unassuming sweet guy ever like i like i like people who are just like calm so i don't i don't get that thing when people are like oh they're so hot i'm like really i know she really she really fell for him but but what's going to be interesting is seeing page and craig get together with they're

together in real life do you ship page and crag as a couple i do i think page is adorable i think so adorable the fact that like i don't really think she fits on those shows to be honest like sometimes i'm just kind of like she doesn't really like belong in that house because i feel like she's just really cool her outfits are amazing she gets it so yeah i'm a big fan i think she's adorable i haven't spent time with the two of them together i've never met page actually i feel like I would love her in person. But I love Craig and I get the whole thing with Craig. I mean, Craig's just like the nicest.

I know. He's just a teddy bear. He's sweet. He's such, he's like a romantic too. He loves love. So I get it. Do you know, like even though I, you know, I'm like instant friends with him, but I've never met him in real life either.

But I just, even from watching Southern Charm and the way he was in his relationships was always like he was super loyal. You would never catch him even eyeing like another woman. No. he was and he was around all these like play a dudes like chef and whatever and i could always tell that he was just like a relationship guy like he's a one woman man and he's very sweet and he loves love so i also that's exactly what he is and to be honest like the time that i spend around he's not like a flirt like he doesn't use his good looks to like lure girls in and he's just very much keeps to himself nice

we'll talk to everyone but he's not he's not like a flirt it's not all about like looks and hooking up to him and you're absolutely right. I think he loves to be in a relationship, which I'm that way too. So I relate to that and I really like it, you know? Did you watch Selling Sunset, Justin? Okay, so selling sunset. So I lived my whole life in Los Angeles and then once I was done,

I was just done. And selling sunset way too much reminds me of living in L.A. And there's such like a dirty underbelly to that show where I'm just like, first of all, this feels so fucking phony to me. and it's like, like, now seeing, like, Sunset Boulevard and Doheny Drive, like, it just gives me, like, PTSD and it makes me throw in comfortable. So, like, I can't watch that show. And, like, I don't know if this is mean, but, like, are any of those people super interesting? Like, I just don't think they are.

I've tried. I watched the first season. And I wasn't, like, I wasn't into anyone's life. Like, I really didn't care. You know, like, Chris-elle, she's pretty, but, like, I don't really care what she has to say. I don't think anyone's saying anything, like, profound. Or am I missing out? I think that it's one of those things where we're a flock of sheep, all of us.

So if somebody, you know, if everyone's watching a show, you're going to watch a show and I'm going to finish it because that's what I do. You know, like this whole, just to give you a recap, like this whole season had a main storyline, which was that Christine, you probably know her, you know, gives birth and she's being replaced by this girl Emma who's a new cast member. and Emma happens to have been the girl who stole, quote-unquote, Christine's boyfriend from five years ago from her. Now, Christina's now married with a baby. Why would she care about a guy she dated five years ago of this girl? And the whole season is about that. Like, not only her storyline, but everyone around her is like, did you hear that Christine told Emma and like, oh, my God, but like the, and the whole thing. And now, moreover, Christina's going on interviews saying, yeah, I play the villain.

I don't actually care about that, dude. I was just making good TV. So I'm like, I appreciate the honesty, but at the same time, girl, this was the whole show. So now you're basically saying the one, like I don't care if on reality TV shows there's something set up, right? Or like a situation or, or, you know, whatever, I get it.

But if you're telling me that the whole storyline that the whole season is based on is bullshit, then like, what are you wasting my fucking time? I think that's such a cop. too. I think somebody like Christine, like maybe she gets a little bit of hate on social media. So she's trying to be like, oh, it's not even all that real anyways. But it's like if you're really playing the part, if you're playing the villain, then be the villain. Like even in interviews, you know, it's like you're also, you're taking the fun out of TV. And I also just don't buy that. I feel like reality TV for the most part is real. Can you go in and stir up

certain things and amplify your personality in certain areas? Yeah. But for the most part, it's happening. You know, no one's forcing you to do anything. But I feel like her saying, that it's such a cop out. And it takes so much fun out of it for the viewers. True. Like, why the fuck are we watching? You know what? I love your perspective.

I love your perspective because it's so true. Like you make me, you're so smart about reality TV. No, but really, you're making me think about it. Because now I'm like, true. She's saying that. And what crossed my mind was like, what is Netflix going to think of this? Because she also threw Netflix under the bus because she had a scene where she was doing yoga. And they said that it was after her.

They were like, oh, she just gave birth. She's doing. yoga. But now she's coming out and saying, no, this was while I was pregnant. It was edited wrong. So I'm like, wow, is Netflix going to, you know, keep her contract going when she's basically saying that she, you know, they, they misedited her. She's saying that it's manufactured and all this shit. So I'm also wondering like how, and you're right, it ruins it for the audience. It makes us feel like kind of stupid. And you're right. If you're playing the villain, don't say you're playing the villain. Just be the villain. Well, and that's the thing. No villain.

on a show or no villain in real life in any friend group is going to come on and say I'm the villain, you fucking idiot. So it's kind of like, I also feel like, I also feel like a lot of things were ruined and I'm not just saying this because Kristen's my best friend, but I think Kristen played the best quote-unquote bitch, you know? And it's like Kristen's so not a bitch,

but she stands up for herself. And back in the day, everyone said that was a bitch. If you go, it's so funny on, speaking of TikTok, on TikTok right now, all these young Gen Z people are re-watching Laguna Beach and they're all doing these breakdowns on TikTok, and it's probably in my algorithm because I'm friends with Kristen,

but so I get all these videos. And everyone's saying like, whoa, like flip the script. Kristen's actually the good girl. Like they're like, why is no one pointing out the fact that like Lauren Conrad was flirting with Kristen's boyfriend? Kristen's boyfriend was flirting with Lauren on the side. Kristen was just living her life and everyone was messing with her. Why'd everyone call her the bitch?

So the point is like now in modern time, Kristen would have been like the hero, like a girl who stands up for herself doesn't take shit or whatever. So that really was her personality. She's a strong girl. But Kristen never had to be like, I'm the bitch. You know, she actually said to be like, I'm not a bitch. I'm just standing up for myself.

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you wouldn't is there a show that we would know of like that you could imagine yourself on like a real house is there a show that you could imagine yourself going on like a reality show survivor. Oh my God. No, I would die to be in the Big Brother house, but I couldn't leave my partner for that long. And I'm just too old now, like take two months to go live in a house randomly. You know, like I do have a life. Would you watch? Do you watch Big Brother? I love Big Brother. This last season was really, really bad. But like I would love to be in one of those reality shows where we all get put in one place for a certain amount of time. I'm obsessed right now with Real Housewives Ultimate Girls trip where they take like the all-star house house

wives and put them into a house because it was incredible TV. Oh, really? Wait, I need to watch. I need to like pay for it. It is so it is so good because it's like you get these amazing personalities. They all get put together and some of them kind of class, but then they also really bond on the fact that like they're all in the same kind of a platform. They break the fourth wall a little bit and they kind of talk about their experiences as housewives. They talk about how the audience perceives them and what it's like this really good show like you're watching like, Oh, my God. And you realize why we love all these women, like Lou Anne from New York. I was always kind of on the fence. All of a sudden, I'm like a total Lou Ann fan.

Kenya Moore from Atlanta. I'm a diehard Kenya fan now. Because when you see them taken out of that element and they're interacting with other people, you see why they're so special and why they stand out. So I like that. I like when different worlds are brought together. I mean, one of my biggest views would be like, let's say we did another show or whatever. I wish they would take like different personalities from a bunch of different reality shows. like even like I'd love it if me and Kristen got thrown into the house with Craig and Austin

and then like someone from a house five show or selling cents and we were all in there and you see all these personalities interact like I would die for that. Yeah, I'm with you. I love the house vibe. Like I don't even need trips or like, you know, random shit. Just put a bunch of people with big personalities in one space

and like let's see what the fuck is happening. So you're not you're not like a crazy housewife fan like I am. No, no, no, actually. What is it for you? because you love reality TV. Well, now I'm thinking about it while we were speaking. I was being introspective and thinking like maybe it's because there's no hookin up.

Like maybe it goes down down. Maybe I'm a horny ass bitch who wants, like, because no, I don't know. I like New York because I liked New York because it's in New York and I enjoyed seeing like my city, but it's been bad for the past few seasons. I like Jersey. Jersey's a vibe. And for some reason, I didn't start the like California ones. So I just gave up on ever watching them.

And then there were a bunch of new ones. Like when Salt Lake started, I was like, oh, I'll start right when it starts, you know? And then I didn't. I don't know. Well, I think it's a type of person, you know, because you're a diehard bachelor fan. But I remember you recently being like, is this like Bachelor overkill? And just for me on the outside, it looks like absolute Bachelor. No, literally.

Like calm it down. Like take a fucking year off. So people get excited. It's like, who is the Bachelor now and how many of these girls are there everywhere, you know? But I'll tell you what. If I don't watch The Bachelor, the thing is like, If you don't watch it, like, I need to know the people that are going on Paradise. And like, they have drama all years.

Like, I want to know who's hooking up with who during the year. And if I don't watch the show, I'm not going to know. No, see, you're really good at that. Because I follow your stuff religiously. And when you get into the real bachelor stuff, I kind of tune out. But like, I get enough from you. Like, I know what's going on. But I feel like if you're some people are total bachelor type people or like, I'm a diehard housewife.

And I think it maybe it's like a gay man thing. Like I like, you know, deep down every game. man has like a fabulous woman inside of him. So like I watch it. Like I live vicariously through these women. And I also really like seeing women, women's relationships. I like seeing women's friendships. I like seeing when they like argue about certain things. Like I, I live for it. I could watch hours and hours of all. You're right. I guess that like even if I watch it and it's good, like I'm not a diehard. And there's so many, uh, diehards for housewives. It's like it's almost like I feel left out. It's like I feel like, how will I.

ever even if I try to catch up and and watch potomac from the beginning or something it's like I'll never be able to really really like have watched all of them from the beginning like so many people have and there are a lot of references and a lot of things that as you know a self-proclaimed pop culture expert I'm really failing on the fucking housewife shit did you see anything about the people choice awards people's choice awards well it's so funny we turned it on last night and like I think there is something so sad about award shows now like there's just something like since the pandemic I watch it now and it just feels so desperate and like forced and like I feel like there's just too much of the intermingling of like social media and then

real celebrities you know like I was watching the red carpet last night and I was asking Scoot my partner I was like wait who is that and he's like oh she's really big big on TikTok and I'm like and she's walking the red carpet next to Hallie Berry and not that I think that either one is higher or lower than the other. It just, it feels so like it doesn't work anymore. And I just feel like it feels like super force. So I watched some of it, but it was just, it was weird. It doesn't have like a vibe anymore.

You know, last year's Oscars was terrible. The Golden Globe. Well, yeah. It feels awkward now. Well, during the pandemic, when they were doing all this like fake audience shit and from home that I couldn't even watch. This is a little bit better now that like the, you know, the like it's come down a bit. But it is confusing because, like, yeah, I know Addison Ray.

She's on every red carpet now. I mean, her team is working. I mean, she's, she doesn't miss an event. She's at every event. And you don't always know all the people. And with like big movie stars, you usually do. But Kim Kardashian won like a major fashion award. Did you get to see the moment?

I saw that. And she did her acceptance. And like, I'm like, so you're a Kardashian diehard. I appreciate them, but I've never like really followed it. I never really watched the show. but I really like all of them and I like props to them for how hard they work and whatnot.

But like Kim's having like a moment where I'm like, am I kind of obsessed with Kim? Because she's like she's funny. I feel like she's in on the joke. She's feeling more relatable than she's ever felt before. So like, so I saw her acceptance speech and I thought,

I thought it was great. That outfit though, I'm just like, can we stop? I'm over it. I know. I don't get it. It's like what is going on?

Well, like it's Balenci. It's Balenci. It's Balenci and she's having a Balenci moment. But it's like, can we be done with this moment like for me it's like if i wear a hoodie every day i'm gonna be like hey man if you've worn hoodies every single day like let's at least wear like a crew neck you know and and with kim it's like you're dressing up you're getting hours of glam you're getting whatever don't you want to look different than you did at the last event like aren't you fucking sick

of this head to toe cat woman bullshit but i'm glad that i'm not alone because i was shipping Courtney so hard, like obsessed, as people know. I'm even going to like, you know, when Cravis became an item, I was like number one Cravis fan, like whatever. And then Kim Kardashian started following me on Instagram. I don't know if you know. I saw that. And some people are telling me like, oh, my God, Kim totally started following you because

you were obsessing over Courtney and like she got you to obsess over her more. And I'm almost like, oh my God. And it worked. like I almost like I had to step back and feel like wait wait you know what's so funny about you saying this okay so a few weeks ago we were in cabo and Courtney was actually at the exact same hotel as I didn't see her we were staying right by each oh you were I posted that at the Las Ventanas yes so she left the day after we got there so we missed her whatever but when I was in Mexico I was there with a bunch of girlfriends that I hadn't seen a long time from L.A and they were all down in Mexico and we were talking about and you came up and one of my friends from growing up is like a die-hard Amanda fan and she's like oh my god the whole thing she's like you know that Kim followed Amanda because she was so pissed off like Amanda was talking about Courtney so like and she was explaining this whole thing to him I'm like you're probably right and she was like and then she's like and you know that Kim is dating Pete Davidson because like she can't stand how much attention

Courtney's getting so she wants to date like the kind of rocker off edge guy or whatever and I'm like oh my god and I was like but these girls are fucking smart because it's working by the way and it's a true testament to you like you really are like you are Us Weekly People magazine like the way like you set like fucking trends or like conversations that happen. I mean, maybe I'm sure that I have a bunch of people who follow who follow you that follow me and their friends with me and whatnot. But I feel like there's something about your page happening that everyone goes to like that's like their trusted source for it. That's so nice. But sometimes I'm found you. Yeah. That's it's wild. And and thank you for that.

Sometimes I'm like, your source. And sometimes I'm like, no, guys, like I will never, you know, if I get interviewed for podcasts or for anything, it's like, I'm never going to say you're going to find the news with me first. I've never said that. I will say that I have opinions on things. I like to comment on shit and that I'm as passionate about shit as it seems. I am not saying that I'm getting the scoop first. Because a lot of times people are like, you're so late.

And I'm like, I, okay, I don't care. And that's the beauty of the majority of us are. Like, I'm pretty much late to everything too. And it's like, but it's still a conversation. the one thing that I did want to ask you though because I you are that person it's like you're listening to a friend just talk about how we all talk about with our friends and whatnot but like you don't get a lot of shit like people don't come back to you being like you said this and it didn't happen or do they I mean I get shit I you it's so weird because it's like I remember the days when I didn't but it's like that's how shit works like when you're smaller and nobody gives a shit about you then no one cares but like when you grow and there is so many amazing sides to it but there's also. the side of like, I used to be like, I don't have any haters. Everyone loves me. And then now you're like, I'm like, it's all positive over here, people.

And then you're like, right, because you had 12 followers. So out of the 12, nobody hated you, you know? But what I wanted to say is like either Kim got cooler or it worked. But you're feeling the same way. You're also feeling like she's having a moment because she is being funny. She's making everything that she's doing with a little bit of humor and that didn't used to be that. And I think that at the end of the day, as much as I love Courtney and I love her style, and I think I've always liked her the best because I could see myself the most in

her. Like, she wore cool shit that I could see myself wearing. I can't see myself wearing what Kim wears. You know what I mean? Like that's just not. But, but with Kim, it's like I've always looked from afar and said, she's a badass business woman as fuck. Like she's, she gives back. She's smart. She's articulate. Like she's so many things that you're like, am i have to give her fucking props and then there's chloe she's the nicest person ever and everyone says it everyone who meets her and everyone i posted something about a headache you guys and chloe dm me this whole book about like no to help me with my headache shut up and the whole thing she was like i'm not trying to like you know i just like she was so i'm like are you the nicest

person ever in the universe and i feel like i always hear the nicest thing things about her. Like everyone says she's so cool and funny and she gets the joke. I mean, they're cool girls. That's why everyone is obsessed with them, whatever. But I feel like Kim's definitely having a moment. Oh my God. But what do you think? Do you find Pete Davidson hot? I totally get it. I think I think he's a good looking guy. Even if you just like look at his bone structure and like when you look at younger picture, I'm like he's a good guy. And I bet he's one of those people in person like you're just laughing constantly. I feel like he most comedians that I've ever worked with female comedians. Like they're all really nice and they're in touch with.

their feelings and you immediately like bond with them and they're willing to get deep. And so I imagine like, imagine spending all those years with that fucking bump on a log, Kanye West, who takes everything seriously and like whatever. And then all of a sudden you meet someone like Pete Davidson who's just laughing, wants to go with the flow. I bet he just lays on the couch with all those girls and makes them laugh and like eats a salad with them and like just does their thing. And I bet they're all just like able to breathe now.

I mean, Kanye West must have been like the worst energy to be around in the entire world. Like everything is probably so serious. He had moments where he's like funny, but you're right. Like even the fashion thing, you know, he helped her. She said she even thanked him in her speech, which like their, you know, their relationship right now is probably so tumultuous. Like they're, one day he's going on podcasts and going on like, yeah, in tandem

speeches saying like how he's going to get back together with her while she's like with Pete Davidson at the Beverly Hills Hotel. The next day they're going to like Virgil's last show. together the next day she's thanking him in a word show they have a very complicated relationship but you're right like he took everything so seriously like she couldn't even wear like sweatpants without him being like pull up the you know the elastic a little bit you know he's probably like like wear flannel like i don't care well and i think it's safe to say and i don't mean this in a mean way but i'm the guy's a narcissist right like takes everything seriously and like

When you're living with a narcissist, like, I bet she was constantly on edge. Like, is he going to flip? Is he going to be in a bad mood? And you're always kind of nervous. And Kim's such a huge star and such a big personality herself, that that was probably so like just pushing her down for years and not even realizing it. So then once you break up, you're like, wow, this feels good. And then you meet a guy like Pete and you're like, wow, this feels really good.

So I don't know. But then also when people start talking about like conspiracy theories and stuff with them, I mean, I can fall into it. I know. You need to stop with that. That's what we're talking about. don't that's a thing it's it's it's i don't believe oh i think that's what it wasn't no it wasn't it wasn't astro world that people are saying right now with the with the gillane maxville trial i have

gotten sucked into it so bad and my thing is it's like the other day like i just asked about it because i don't i first of all i didn't realize this was a conspiracy theory about sex trafficking i was like wait why aren't we talking more about this case that's happening right now like a genuine question. And then all of a sudden it was like, all the DMs started coming in and comments and people talking shit or whatever. And I was like, whoa, then people started filling me in. They're like, Justin, you know, that's a whole QAnon thing. Like QAnon was saying that like elite people are pedophiles and whatnot. I was like, holy shit. And they're like to try and take down the liberals, whatever. I'm like, oh my God, this is like way too much for my brain. I don't care that much about conspiracy

theories. But then all of a sudden I started looking at and I'm like, I started questioning it. And then now all of a sudden people are like, are you a conspiracy theorist? Oh my. God, are you like the total, are you a trumper? Are you conservative? And I'm like, this is way too weird how everyone's like so. I was like, I had no idea. This was like a left or right issue or like whatever. No, I mean, no.

Jeffrey Epstein and what he did was very real. Like he was put in jail for, for, you know, molesting all these young girls and being a huge pedophile. And Galane Maxwell helped him and was there for it. So I don't get what's a conspiracy about it. Now I need to. Well, okay. I mean, if you want to talk about it for.

one second, because there is a part of me that, like, I am on the side of, like, after the stuff happened with Britney Spears, I am done saying stuff, like, no way that could never happen. That's conspiracy theory. Because I was on the side of being like, you guys, chill. Brittany will tell us that she needs help, like, whatever. And I got a lot of shit for that. And I take it, you know? So my thing is now when I hear things over and over where there's a lot of smoke, there's

some fire. And the thing with the Epstein thing is they're saying that he hung out with a lot of really powerful people and they had cameras in the house there's like evidence there that they're completely trying to quiet down and there is a lot of that that i kind of believe i feel like they're not celebrities not like they're trying to be like j z was involved it's like no he wasn't jz doesn't want anything to do with a magical island with a bunch of kids on it you know but it's like there are you know prince edward and trump and clinton and all these people why were they connected to them and even if it is the biggest lie in the world then it's like then debunk it like then put out the fact stop trying to quiet it down so much because

it's just making people get louder and want to know more. So I don't know. I definitely got sucked into all of that. And it'll be interesting to see which direction that it goes in. I love you, Justin. You're a man of many interests like me. Yeah. We care too much.

We care too much. Oh my God. It's like, don't you love whenever I'll like go on e-news or something? And sometimes I'll like look at the comments and there's always that one comment on like a photo. And it's like, who even cares? And I'm like, bitch, you're on the wrong page. It's like, there was, but I love it.

Like, I secretly love those comments because it's like, there's always that one guy being like, who even cares? And I'm like, this is an entertainment. You and I are so much alike like that because like I love to go into like, or if I'm looking at Daily Mail, I love to read the comments because it just makes you realize how stupid people are and just like how people are just there are a lot of assholes out there, right? There's way more nice people like, whatever.

But when you start reading comments, I'm with you. Like people are like, who even cares about this person? I'm like. clearly somebody like if you go to their Instagram the girl has five million followers so someone cares the fact that you don't just keep moving on you're not proving a point by saying that you know what's so wild about chrissey tegan is like people are trying to cancel her so hard like so hard yet she's like on jimmy phallon she's like coming out with a new book she's like this and all the comments are mean like all the comments are like why is she isn't she dead you know like i feel like people just

want to like kill people like isn't she didn't we kill her you know didn't she didn't we exile her and it's like no she's still alive she's still going people just need to understand that there are real people that can read your comment and that will feel terrible you know what i mean so just you know i know that my listeners are great people and none of you fucking write that kind of shit and you know even if a person has fucked up you don't want to see them die on the streets like i know that i know that well and i think that people feel comfortable with that. I mean, because let's be honest, like, her tweets were terrible to that girl, you know? And, like, that was, like, shocking for a lot of people to read. I mean, when people saw somebody speaking that way about somebody, it was shocking. But, like,

even for me, there's nights when people will write something really nasty. I mean, I'm out drinking. I, like, catch the DM or whatever. And I wrote a few, like, really nasty things back to people where I'm like, if years down the road, that came out, someone screenshot it. And I don't know who I'm talking to. So I'm like, go suck up that dick. You're. an asshole, like whatever. But if somebody didn't realize what that person had wrote to me, it's like, Justin's famous to people on the internet, it's like, yeah, but they're calling me a

faggot to go do hair and stop talking. You know, so it's like, I don't know, but her tweets when you just see them, it's like, whoa, that's really that. That's scary. That's really that. I get my people do not like her right now. Yeah. Justin. Okay. Next time you're going to come back sooner than when you came back this time. And hopefully

it'll be to promote your new show. Oh, yeah. But I'm going to send you a bunch of stuff soon. And I love getting to see you. This was so fun. It was so fun, Justin. Everyone go follow Justin Anderson on Instagram. Do you TikTok or do you just watch TikTok? I have TikTok. It's Justin. And he's the cutest. He has a lot of opinions on random shit. You won't be able to expect what he's talking. If he's making a shrimp cocktail dinner or if he's, you know, talking about the latest in pop culture. Justin, I love you. Thanks for coming on. I love you too, babe. I'll talk to you later. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocheroo.

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