Not Skinny But Not Fat - Brand Safe Tana Mongeau

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Tana Mongeau, the OG YouTuber and true internet wild child joins me to talk growing up fast, storytime glory days, and what it’s like watching a whole new wave of influencers take over. We get into her throuple era with Bella Thorne, her new relationship with Makoa, and the viral moments that shaped her (yes, Tanacon). She opens up about sobriety, her brand-safe era, and what this next chapter looks like for someone who’s lived about twelve lives before turning 27.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Ebay.com – things people love.Keep it classic and cozy this fall cool—with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to Quince.com/notskinny for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.Visit CleanSimpleEats.com - https://glnk.io/73q00/NOTSKINNY20 - and use code NOTSKINNY10 at checkout for 10% off your FIRST order PLUS free shipping.To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99 with shipping included. That's $100 off your first six bottles at nakedwines.com/NOTSKINNY and use the code AND password NOTSKINNY for six bottles of wine for $39.99To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/NOTSKINNYEarn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home, by going to joinbilt.com/notskinny. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey guys. I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. We are so bad at Thanksgiving and my family. I don't know if this is a Jewish thing. I don't know if it's like our family thing. But like just Thanksgiving isn't on the scale of like highly important holidays. I feel like we slack. And you could really see that shining through because I was the one to be like, you guys, what are we doing? What are we making? Where are we going? What are we doing? And usually I'm not it. I mean, listen, nobody's been. perfect. And like, I'm not the cook of the fam. I'm not the hostess of the fam. Like, I don't see that changing, but I'd want something to happen where all of a sudden I'm like making a fucking

casserole, but I don't even know what a casserole is. So I put husband to the task of making chicken because we're not doing turkey since we complained for years how the turkeys are dry. Then in normal Hirsch girl fashion, we got into huge fights. It's honestly the Kardashians in our house, but like the Hershey's, because literally it went from me being like, you know, why didn't nobody care about Thanksgiving? My mom's saying, you know, Allison is really busy, you know, and crazy right now. And she always hosts. And I was like, well, why can't you like cook?

And then she was like, I raised you, which my mom tends to do. She did raise us amazingly three girls on her own, which we've given her just credit for every day and appreciated. it every day, okay? Even after having kids, I get it more. But she'll bring it up, like, when I'm like, Mom, couldn't you have made like Brussels sprouts? And she's like, I've done everything for you. Like, that is what happened. And then, like, she gets upset that we don't appreciate her. And I'm like, I literally said Brussels sprouts, which like, it does so happen that I am the instigator in the fam. But I really think that everything I say makes perfect sense. It's

wild. Anyway, that turned into my sister being like, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then my mom being like you have help. I didn't have help. And my sister being like, well, that's why we were alone a lot. And then my mom being like, if you weren't alone, I wouldn't be able to work. Anyway, it was like this huge. And I was like, so back to the Brussels sprouts that I said you could probably handle. And I just, I just, I love my mom so much. And I don't want her to have the attitude of like, I'm done. Like I, you know, I'm done. I'm done. I've done it and I'm done. No, babe, you can cook. Anyway. So I hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving. I'm sure you all had your own family fights and dramas and you all think you also need a reality show. Oh, this is a good

transition to the girl that actually needs a reality show. Um, you guys, so today, I'm not skinny but not fat. I have somebody who's literally lived more lives than most people twice her age and she's only 27. She's the OG and the queen of story times before get ready with me is where even invented. Okay. She walked. So, you know, these new TikTok influencers and everything could run. Yes, you guessed it, Tanna Mojo is here. And if you didn't know how to pronounce her last name until right now, you're welcome because you've learned.

You all know, Tanna, whether you're a super fan or just have seen one of the wild things that she's done like being a threple with Bella Thorne and Maudson or talking about how, you know, her jaw was swinging side to side in old videos by doing so much cocaine, okay? But she's in a new era. She's sober. She's in a relationship.

She's not bleaching and toning anymore. It's fucking wild. Okay? We talk about her most viral moments from her yelling to the paparazzi about being Team Bryce to the Hefner era, the Alabama Barker costume. Literally, you guys, it's wild. We even get into Franklin Jonas having her name tattooed on him. So she's such a fucking gem. She's so entertaining.

She's so fun. and she's here being honest, open, and vulnerable, just like we like him. No, but she was such a vibe. So enjoy this episode. Enjoy my interview with Tana. Mojo. I'm just excited. I'm saying her last name, right?

Because you don't want to know what I've been calling her in my head for years. Like, Manjou, Manjo. Mojo, it's fucking Mojo. Tana. Yes. We're just like keeking. Should we? This is what we do.

Yes. The whole time, let's kicky. Oh my God. I'm so excited. Yeah. You are so talented. and you've had so many amazing guests. What does the Chris Jenner de Tanna Mojo pipeline feel like for you?

It's exactly that. We went from Chris Jenner to Tana. And I'm so happy. I love it. I love it. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. You look great.

Thank you. Is it still a bleach and tone? It's actually really not. It's not. It is a growing out and blend the root. It's funny. I was just yelling a bleach and tone off the Empire State Building because they were like, you need to yell something.

And then I pitched so many things that they said, too. And then we landed on a bleach and tone. Yeah. And I was like, it's, who's they? The Empire State Building. Oh, them, the Empire State Building. They were like, you cannot yell. He fucked me with the toothbrush. You cannot yell this. And so we landed on a bleach and tone. And it was fun. So, but then you were like, that ain't me anymore. I know, it really isn't. I'm a rooted girl. And I don't, I miss it sometimes. You see a really like, you'll see a platinum blonde body and you'll want to like get back into that and just like, it's a different energy. Yeah. platinum, but I'm also, my scalp is healthy for the first time.

I have to say, like, when you go blonde, even if it's like some highlights, it feels less healthy. I had a stack of hay on my head for damn near a decade. And it's so funny because I truly thought everyone believed me, right? My hair would be this long. And then I'd put in 24-inch extensions. And I was like, this is homegrown. I have to say we were going down the Tana pipeline.

I'm so sorry that happened. to you. How do you feel? No. Like, great. And that, I mean, it just was a smile on your face. It's like it's just like the extensions. Yes. The tracks out of all the time, but the extensions you had when you were doing your show, right? You did the performance. I love the. Oh, do you mean my live shows or my MTV show? No, your live show. Yes. But your live show, the music one. You did like I did like six of those and the hair across it was so fierce. hair she was if you came to a tanamoja live show and you didn't see tracks out in person you you didn't get what you paid for you know what i mean you really didn't get what you paid for so now you're a new woman i really i feel like a new woman you feel like a new woman yeah but here's the wild thing for people that don't i mean there are people that know you know you know you know everything

about you and there are people that know you have heard your name yeah and the people who don't know are the best off in the scenario 27 yes you've lived a fucking like I feel 85. I truly feel 85 years old. Like you've been through so much. A lot caused by me, might I add. The hands of myself, but yes. But like, most 27-year-olds,

it's like they've, you know, gone to maybe college, finished, did a few years. Like, you... It's true. No college here. Lived a life. It's true. Experiences upon experiences.

How does that feel? I mean, I think it's cool. We all love a... We all love, forgive my French. Am I allowed to swear on you? Oh my God, please. The bouquet couches are telling me I shouldn't swear. Actually, I already swore.

But I'm a bitch with lore, you know? And I love a bitch with lore. Okay, when I meet one on the street, you know, when I'm talking to a girl and she's got backstory, like, I do live for it. And I truly think that I have done almost everything under the sun. And now I'm kind of in this wholesome era where the things that I haven't done are like,

I'm almost reverse aging, right? You're like breakfast. Yes, breakfast is sickening. Being up before noon is crazy. Salary juice is super good for you. Like, yeah, like a keratin treatment, you know. So are you a healthy girl now? Like they're sober?

I'm sober. I'm California sober, though. I will say that. People get upset sometimes because I'll smoke a little weed now. Yeah. People like, you're not sober, you're California sober. You know what I mean?

And I kind of, I do respect that. It is a different. Some people have problems, you know, with the weed and different things. But weed was never your issue. Not at all. It was alcohol. It was so much alcohol. Really?

It was enough to, like, fill New York City. Like, what was your drink of choice? Oh, that's the problem. Like, even making a choice would make it better, right? Like, oh, like, here's my drink of choice. My choice was a drink. Like, just all of them.

Like, whatever. Vodka, tequila, wine, beer. Shove it. I loved beer. I would clear a 24 pack of beer on my own in, like, the most just cannibalistic way. But that's so, like, that's like a tummy ache.

I built something of steel. Okay? And it's almost reversing now. I literally now, I'm like, am I an I BS girl? I think my stomach is finally tired of everything I've put it through. Stop. I mean, listen, it does happen.

I'm going to say with age, even though you're still young. But it is true. Your stomach gets less able to withstand shit. It's so true. It's so true. Regina was like, your girl, she was like, are you going to use the bathroom in the middle of the interview? And I was like, Regina, I don't know how to tell you I'm bubbling.

Like, I may have to. And I'm really sorry in advance. But peeing, peeing, to be clear. At least that's what you said. I peed this time. I mean, I don't know. Because you've had a lot of coffee. Especially in New York because I come here and I'm like,

you want to eat the bagels and you want to eat the hot dogs. And you want to try the weird lattes. And Trish and I were just eating Korean corn dogs covered in like hot Cheeto flakes. Like I am just, I'm ready to go home and get back on. What's your track? What are you untrott? You're doing celery juice? I'm doing.

I've been going on and off right now with gluten-free. Okay. I know. I know. Hold your horses everyone. This is going to be the most interesting interview ever. Tana Mojo's gluten-free. But I mean, you know, hot girls have...

Hot girls have stomach issues. Now you're one of them. How else do you feel? What else has changed about your life? Are the veneers still popping off? Girl, it's actually so funny. I'm about to... I think I want to, like, go Shane Dawson on these house

and make a documentary come 2026 about my tooth journey. Okay, I'm on one. I'm about to get my, like, 17th set of veneers. We'll see. New doctor. Yes. Why don't you go to APA,

like the best of the best, do a fucking collab. Is that what you're doing? Well, I have a best of the best guy. Okay, but what was the guy that wasn't good that it kept him pop and not because of him? That I love the way you asked that question. Okay. No, I'm saying like, because your career,

I mean, you could have gone to anybody for a while. It's actually funny, like half of the reason why I want to make this documentary is because. Wait, you're serious about the documentary. I mean, it's a Tanamojo documentary. Okay, it's not, it's not going to be Hulu quality, but it'll be, it'll be on my YouTube. But the reason why I want to talk about the bigger message of all of this

is because I think that I got veneers at a very young age. And it was also before a lot of the fancy things existed, the composite bondings and all of the... Oh, where you don't have to shave off the tooth and chest too. Yeah, it was just come in, shave it down, shove it up and get out, right? Like, it was, I mean, I had a lot of dental problems. Like I across my childhood, I just didn't, like, meet the care and the need. So I had to fix a lot of things.

And then upon doing that, we also decided to go with veneers. Yeah. But I think that I just made the decision so flippantly. I was just like, everyone in Hollywood gets veneers. I'm going to get veneers. And obviously now, you know, five teeth ejecting themselves across the globe later. There is definitely some things I wish I could have told that younger version of myself to be a little more mindful of. And I'm kind of excited to share that journey. I think people shouldn't just look at veneers as like going to cut a bob. You know, like those are your teeth. Yeah, those are your teeth. But the thing is today they have the stick on ones. and you don't even have to shave it off. Exactly. So it's not even a big deal. I missed the mark on that one. But still, I do.

I'll still see like just younger influencers being like I went and got veneers. I shaved my teeth off. It's still very normalized. Yeah. And people are getting veneers that really don't need it. It's so true. It's so true.

I mean, and I remember even when I got mine, I was dating Bella Thorne at the time. And she was like heartbroken. She was like, why would you do this? The character of your teeth. And I remember at the time being like, you are so. dramatic look at my new

my shiny teeth in me right I felt like the guy I'm like what is it fairly odd parents and now looking back I'm like she she kind of ate with that notion she had a point that you know fixing your own teeth or embracing the character often leads you down a healthier

path and I remember the Bella Thorna era by the way very well me too what year was that oh my God like 2018 2018 Yeah.

Did you meet her on the music video that you did together before? No, I slid into her DMs. You did? I did. And I tweeted, I tweeted, I want to, because she had just dated Scott Dissick or something. I know a lot of funny things were going around about her kind of dating different people. And I tweeted, I want to date Bellathorne next. And it was kind of just me like joking around, but also like I was down, you know?

And she like responded and we met up and it kind of just whirlwinded. It was a whirlwind. It was, but honestly, she did so much for me. Like, as a human, I learned a lot from her. I was still living in Vegas when we met, and she was kind of the person who was like, you should move to L.A. and take this more seriously. And, like, I also think sometimes you can learn a lot from people

just by observing. And she definitely, like, at that time, she was going out and it was the paparazzi, and it was all of the crazy things. Yeah, she was at her height of fame at the time. And she would walk into a room and every single person would turn their heads. You know what I mean?

For better or for worse, she was very polarizing and just also beautiful and just like captivating. And I think that I learned a lot about like commanding a room and being that bitch. And like I took it too far, obviously, later down the line. But I don't know where I would be if I know. Like, what if I stayed in Vegas longer? My whole life would be different without her. Like Bella got you to move.

Yeah, I was coming out to like see her a lot and just spending more time. in L.A. And she was like flying me out like a sugar daddy. God bless her. I owe her some Southwest flight money for sure. But yeah, I mean, she was definitely a, I met a lot of people through her. A lot of my best friends that are still my best friends. Like, so what age did you move out? I officially moved out to L.A. I mean, I was, yeah, I was like 18, 19. But I was coming out here a lot before that. It was just kind of, we're not in L.A. You don't know where you are. I don't. I'm on a press run. Can you tell? But yeah. I mean, just more over time, I started.

Wait, so the Maud Sun thing, how did that happen? Were they dating at the time? Or did he, he joined? It's funny. No, I think I joined them, question mark. Someone fact-checked me on my own damn life. I actually don't know. It was all a blur.

A mix. Yeah, a blur. A blur is a great word. But we did meet through her. And that is how that happened, you know? And you were legit a thruple. I wouldn't say that. No?

But it's so interesting because I wouldn't not say that either. It was just like, I don't think any of us knew what the fuck was going on. And, you know, there was this media narrative. And I do think Bella kind of liked that narrative at the time. And I also, like, I loved the eyes and the chaos and stuff. You loved it. Of course. You could tell.

Very, you could really tell. You could tell I was eating my shit up. What did you do? I was posting everything. I was feeding into every narrative. Did she care? Was she like stop posting? No, she liked it too.

I think, I mean, she started. the kind of thruple thing, right? She was like, I want to date Maud's son. I want to date Tana and we're all here. And I mean, we would all just spend a lot of time together. We really would. But I wouldn't say it was like a thruple. And obviously that kind of been.

But you were more into her than into him. Yes. Across the relationship, Mott and I actually really did not like each other because... You were fighting over Bella? Yeah, it was kind of... And I think that... I think she kind of knew that. And it was like a fun, like, who am I going to give more attention to today?

Like, who am I going to... And obviously, it's hard to give attention to two people across the relationship. You know, I mean... But a thruple means that you and him would also be like having sex. So it kind of wasn't. But then obviously we dated after. So that's, we, it was almost, we hated each other until the thruple was over. And then that almost brought us together being like, hey, what the fuck was that?

Right. And what was that relationship like? It was good. Yeah? It was really, really great. He's a really great person. He taught me a lot about life. And it was also in my music era.

So he was like helping me a lot with that and stuff, which is funny to look. back on yeah but he's dated a lot of a lot of girls he i mean he's like a long life he's he's an amazing person and so funny and like so sweet and so smart and just like he's really great so yeah positive positive things i feel positively towards most people that i have dated honestly i really do i think that people really serve a purpose and like we're all kind of mosaics of people that we loved or that loved us and stuff like you can take something from every relationship that you've in it. So there's no one you feel negatively towards that you've dated. No. No. There's maybe me being like, what the fuck was I doing? Like, what the hell? I don't know. I don't know.

It's not, it's not one person. It's kind of like just collectively like I was, the only term I can think of is for the streets. Okay. What do you mean for the streets? No, but I mean, I really was like, oh my God, I'm surprised I didn't date like my mailman. Yeah. Like, yeah. You know what I mean? I just, you deliver these packages so good. We did, you know. But also, like, when I look back at it, I don't necessarily. I think that there are moments where I was maybe a little extreme.

But at the same time, I was just in my 20s. And I was a really wild girl coming from Vegas and that whole lifestyle there. Like, it kind of just carried over naturally into being in L.A. and stuff. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, I don't know. I had a lot of fun. And there's a big part of me now that does hold hands with all of those. slutty insane versions of me and like all of the relationships because like I'm so happy with where

I'm at now. I think I needed to experience all of those things and learn them and have a lot of fun and get to where I am now. Do you feel like you want to be sober for Eva Eva? Like that's the goal. I think so. I mean, if I could ever, you know, there's 50% of people I think who believe that moderation is something that can be taught and there's 50% of people who believe that it's a genetic thing. And I don't know where I really land on that scale. And I think that if there was a world, a long time from now, where I really studied and I learned and I felt like I could break something that is so intrinsically in me and have a glass of wine

and maybe be a great mother and all of those things, then maybe. But at the same time, I don't know. You're not sure. I'm unsure. What made you want to become sober? Like, was there a day? Was there a rock bottom? There were several rock bottoms.

I mean, it was a long time coming. It was one of those things where I was wrestling with sobriety and knowing I needed to be sober for like almost two, three years, you know? And going on stints, I loved like 75 hard. That was my favorite fucking thing in the world. You know that people do 75 hard where they'll like eat healthy workout and not drink. Yes. That's a lot of days.

And it's hard. That's it's in the name. And I would do that a lot because I love to go around and be like, I'm not drinking for 75 days. I'm so healthy. I got the praise. But day 76, people were battening down the hatches. Okay?

People were horrified. Like, I was counting down. You know what I mean? And now, obviously, I'm counting up. And that's really great. How many days sober are you now? I mean, I'm over a year sober. Wow.

So we're in the, we're getting to the 400th. Have you had any, like, moments where you were going to relapse? No. No. Like, in the other times, obviously. where I went sober for like six months or something. I did relapse and we all saw that. You know what I mean?

And I just, I don't think I'd gotten it out of my system and I don't think I'd gotten to a point yet where I really had to get to a point where I took a long look in the mirror and I was like, you are going to lose everything you love. You were going to lose the people you love.

You were going to lose this career that you worked hard for. I mean, crazily, you were crazy, but you also, you wanted this very badly. And you're going to, lose all the people that you love and just every your fans and everything that you have if you don't go sober and now it's I just would never regress like that it's I see alcohol now and I'm genuinely repulsed really like I feel like for me and you know what I mean it's like I love seeing other people get drunk

and have fun but I was very well aware that it was poison for me you were drinking during the day like in the morning like yes I mean I definitely ramped up at like a two or three or four p.m. okay you know I Yeah. But I was drinking so much. I mean, I was partying in L.A. for so long. The party girl image was so ingrained into who I was. And it almost, there were definitely some years there where the party girl image was so ingrained with my idea of self. I did not think I would be worth it or interesting to watch or that I would have a successful career or that I could have fun or that I'd be likable or so many different things if I wasn't partying, you know. I saw you said somewhere that you thought like that equaled your career and that if you weren't doing wild things and partying, then you wouldn't have all of us. 1,000% which like a normal person would think the opposite. 100%. But I mean, I had just, I had dizzy wine and I was throwing parties all the time and I was throwing events and I was vlogging the craziness too and the story times and the podcast and all of these things and the lore, you know what I mean? But at a certain point, the lore was going to kill me.

You know, and like, I took it there. I really, I really did do it all. Do you think the fans knew? Because I saw you pose this hilarious TikTok that was like, your jaw was swinging from like cocaine in so many of your videos. Yes. And nobody knew. I, I think that people knew.

I'm actually, I really am surprised looking back that it wasn't talked about more. That's what you were saying. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know what I mean? I'm like, damn. Like, I'm surprised these weren't my top comments on everything. But I think people were just used to it. It had become a part of my image that it was just like Tana's crazy.

Who's she going to be with tonight? What's she going to be doing? What's she going to be saying? What's she going to be apologizing for the next day? All of that. You know what I mean? And it took a lot of backtracking to get here. But cocaine wasn't your thing of choice. It was not my vice. I don't think I was ever addicted to cocaine. I just think that when you love to drink and you love the bender and you love to party, cocaine is a great best friend to that. You know what I mean? And a lot of people feel that way. And I also think that's like people are doing coke now like it's alcohol. Thank you so much for saying that because that's what I was just going to say. And it's Especially when I moved to L.A., the party scene was almost 10 times more wild than it is now because it was before TikTok. So people had no inhibitions. No one was afraid of a short form video of their actions ruining their life. People were fucking certifiably insane.

And cocaine, to me, was as normalized as alcohol. And I mean, it also, that is my perception because I think that I came from Vegas and I was wild and people wanted to keep me inebriated and having fun and all of those things. You know what I mean? But no, cocaine is. But still, I've seen every single one of everyone's favorite anything.

And they're all scared you're going to, you're going to spill. They are scared. I'm going to spill, but I won't for the most part. Like, were they scared to get in the stall with you? No, that's the thing. That's the problem. Everyone wanted to do cocaine with me and that I did. You were like the, it was like the equivalent of like being the girl that people like

go to smoke a cigarette with on a lunch break, but you were the girl. That people wanted to do a bump with or rip some shots with or forget about their problems with or party with. that's another thing that's really, when you start to really brand yourself and live like the person who's down for anything, anything's going to come your way. Right. You know, and it, a lot of memories are fun. Like when I look back, I'm like, that was so cool that I did that thing with that person or on that trip or in that city and stuff. I wouldn't, I'm not regretful or angry. I'm just so fucking happy it's over. Really? I was so happy for you. We'll be right back after the break.

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you invented this story time. Well, that's very sweet of you to say. It's true. I think I came up with some other people who were doing it, you know, but. On YouTube. Yeah. Okay, but there wasn't TikTok. And then TikTok kind of invented a new story. You do. Okay, you're too positive today. You're not going to hate it all. Oh, I'll hate if you get me some shit they hate on. One thing about me is I'm very honest and unfiltered, truly.

Well, the thing is like, it could be two things, right? It could be like, great, but it could also be like, I started this shit. No, I think it's like, oh my God, I hate people. I hate people who think that way. That they started shit? Not that, but like people who would actually get angry at someone else doing something that they did. And I think that the internet is the most oversaturated, giant place on planet Earth. And there is room for everyone.

And the second that you start to feel threatened or jealous is the second that you're going to slip and fall off of where you're at. Like, I'm just so grateful that there are the new younger girls, like a Kayla Malick or someone who are making these TikToks and being wild and, like, carrying on the crazy girl, like, legacy world. Like, it makes me so happy to see that. I feel like you're getting back into it more, right? with the story times now. I think I'll always longer form, you know, talk my shit. I always, unfortunately, I need a muzzle and I'm always going to have something to say, you know. Well, how did this start?

So for people that don't know your story, you grew up in Vegas. I grew up in Vegas. You're not with your family since you're like 13 years old. Yeah. Still no contact with your family. Well, so Amari, my best friend, his family, they took me in around that time. And they are who I look at. as like my family.

They have been there for me through everything and through all the holidays and just all of the amazing things. We're on a family group chat. We all talk every day. I'm calling them. They're like never letting me off the phone. They're the best.

They are my family. You know what I mean? So I'm very lucky. I know so many people who go no contact with their families and they spend a lot of their life searching for something to fill that void. And, you know, in a lot of ways,

the void is never fully fillable, right? You know, even if it is someone else, as families. You wish that you could have had the traditional scenario at times, you know, but I feel so lucky to have them to always be there for me. But it's 13, you leave your house. It wasn't necessarily that I left my house. It was more that I definitely had a lot of needs that weren't being met.

And thank God, I met this crazy boy who loved me so much that he took me into a home that was meeting a lot of my needs. you know nobody ever popped up like from your family trying to talk or get back into your life they definitely did it was a very insane roller coaster of narcissistic abuse and anyone who knows anything about narcissistic abuse is that's it's kind of a lot of highs and lows right it's like doing super fucked up shit and then oh my god I'm so sorry and I'm narcissistic parents also often feel very entitled to you they're like you know what I mean but I raised you I brought you into this world I can take you out of it like you're just like me like you know what I they they love that so it was it was a lot of push and pull and it wasn't until I was 21 22 that I cut them off completely when they sued me for slander

for talking about my childhood because you talked about it online yes I talked about my childhood on MTV can they do that is that a thing yes I mean it's complicated did they well I settled because I didn't want to do it you settled and you what paid them. Yes. So they wanted money. Yes. Yes. 100% the entire, in my opinion, at least, the entire reason for doing that was for money. Yeah. And this is your mom and your dad and your suing you. It was, yeah, it was one of the most traumatic moments, periods of time in my life. And I think that honestly led to a lot of my later problems, like alcoholism and stuff. It definitely made things like snowball for sure. It was very, it was very traumatic.

Are they blocked? Can they see what you're up to and stuff? I know that they see and stuff. Is that okay? Like, how do you feel that? Yeah, I mean, actually, like recently, and I'm not ready to fully delve into this. I'll probably talk about it at length for a long time. Like, when I'm ready to talk about it, I don't think it's like a quick snippet. But I had to break no contact for some stuff that was going on.

And it was the first time I had spoken to them in like five or six years. And yeah, it's, I'm definitely, and that was very traumatic. obviously, but like I'm at a point now where I feel nothing but empathy for them and almost like sadness. I feel very sad for them. I think that they were two very broken people. My dad was in the Vietnam War. He came out of the Vietnam War. My mom grew up in kind of an abusive household and then she kind of just carried that into a series of marriages and men throughout her life. And I think that she never had the courage to stand up or be brave or get out of this situation. And you know what I mean?

My dad had a lot of PTSD and was very abusive. And, you know, just it was, I feel very sad for both of them. They're both very broken people. And I think that, you know, maybe when they brought me into this world, they had an idea of hope that they could have been a parent and they just failed so miserably, which is obviously very sad for me as well. But it's very sad for them too, you know? Do you have siblings?

No, I was born and only childs and Al-Mari provided me with the feeling of siblings. We've always lived together and he's super funny and talented on his own. So he was able kind of through my stuff to like find a career in social media too. And he kills it. And it like makes me so happy. I want to take care of him in any way. I will be forever indebted to him. And he doesn't feel that way.

You know, he's not like you owe me. He's like you're my family. But that's how I feel. That's so sweet. Yeah. At what point did you, did you, did you always yearn for like fame people knowing you or like did that come out of situation I think I was always a character right like I was always really wild wild child I mean when no one

is raising you for a while I debated titling my book like wolves would have done better and it's so true like it's when no one is monitoring you or making you better they're almost making you worse You know, I was like, from a very young age, I knew my parents were unfit to raise me. And so that showed in like my behavior and just how I was in school and how I was in life. And that created for a lot of stuff. And then it wasn't that I was yearning for fame. It was that I was a YouTube kid. Like I grew up watching a lot of YouTube. Like when I first discovered YouTube and YouTubers and YouTube videos, it like damn near saved my life. Like being able to escape my abusive household for fucking 10 minutes a day to watch someone else's life and forget about my own

and you know what I mean just be engulfed in their world like was the most I've chills even now thinking about it was the most magical thing in the world to me it saved my life and so as I ended up getting older and crazier I guess I was just like why don't I try this you know because I wasn't passionate about anything frankly I was suicidal I didn't want to be alive in the life that I was born into you know and I knew that if I wanted anything to happen for me in my life I would have to make it happen for myself and I dropped out of high school and just because of the household environment I was in it wasn't I wasn't sleeping I wasn't eating I wasn't and then I wasn't a good kid and I couldn't you know all these things and so I was working a minimum wage job and I was a high school dropout

and I knew that that was going to be my future if I didn't do something about it and I was passionate about YouTube so I sat down and I started to tell my story And editing and chit, you learned how to do and everything. Yeah. And how did it pop off? Like, what was the trajectory? Was it like today? Did you get like millions of views in a day or like,

it wasn't in a day. It was pretty fast. Really? It was probably over like a six month span that my life changed completely in forever. Story times were what popped off, what kind of took off. And did you start telling your story right away? Like the good, the bad, the ugly, like. No, no, no.

It was more like. I thought I was going to be a daily vlog. for a second. I loved Casey Nystad, and then I was like realizing I'm working a minimum wage job and there's nothing to daily blog about that. I tried beauty, but then I realized that the things coming out of my mouth were never going to be accepted by the beauty industry. And my stalker story was the first thing to ever blow up. A little did I know how that would just, here I am 27 and there is still so much lore with that there. Wait, what's the stalker story? Tell me. I've had several stalkers now. And I almost think that I

manifested in a way, you know, which is manifestation does work both ways. Are they, like, what's their vibe of these stalkers? Well, so my first ever, it was a kid that was in my second grade class. And then we ended up growing up together and he would like follow me to church group when I was a church leader. And he just ended up like hacking into my stuff and being

insane. And he's, he stayed in Vegas and he hasn't done anything now in probably like five, six years, which is good. But other things have come. Was he obsessed with you? Yes. Like wanted to. He thought we were dating and he would tell everyone we were kind of together and we loved each other and yeah. And that's a common theme in stalkers, you know, is the parasycial, the obsession. But it was interesting that that one was kind of before fame. Right. That one was before fame. He was just kind of a screw loose. And obviously I was also a screw loose. So they just, they magnetized, I guess, you know. And then that continued. He kept on having stalkers. I think almost talking about it like it makes them want to stock you well or just makes gives other people ideas I guess and then the most like recent

situation that is still active and I try to talk about it lightly came from in my opinion at least it came from only fans and that era and doing that because I think that people are you not on there anymore I mean I like I am but like I like I could see myself

closing it down once in for all closing down shop not too far from now. Wait, what was your only fans era? Like, what were you posting? Oh, my God. I, I was genuinely just monetizing my real life, okay? Like, my tips were always out. Like, my

I was shaking ass. I was twerking. I was in the strip clubs. I was drunk. Like, it made for some fucking great content over there. Wow. At that time. And we, yeah, we called it Tanagan Wild, and it was Tanagan Wild, for sure. You know? But it was, I mean,

it was crazy. Now, even seeing these girls, the bobb house girls and stuff, it's, it's like, I'm watching a video of me at a certain time. Like, I'm like, I remember when I made a million dollars a month, girls, make sure you invest well. Like, you know, did you? Did you invest? Yeah. Okay. And I just, I saw your video that was like, that everyone is like, oh, she probably spent all her money on drugs and they were like, here's my $5 million home. That was crazy because that was a blind item, actually. And I don't have blind items happen for me that often. So I felt really. Wait, this was a recent blind item. Yes. Recently, I was in Vegas with Alex Cooper for her Unwell Fest.

And the blind item was that people saw her and I at Marquis Nightclub doing cocaine and that I'm actually going under financially due to this cocaine use that I do with Alex Cooper. And it's so funny because actually it was a club appearance. Alex wasn't there. I was there for a matter of seven minutes. I walked in, took a photo with Tara Yummy and dipped and said, I'm going to post this. And you're sober. Yeah.

And I just, I don't want to say I hate that shit now. but, like, I'll do my club appearances. You know what I mean? It's a work obligation. I'll get paid. I'll go in. I'll have fun. I'll pour the alcohol in girls' mouths.

I'll take the photos. I still have it in me, you know, to have fun. But if it's not work, I'm not in a nightclub. You're not at a club anymore. Unless it's the box, New York. But that's different. I mean, that's wild in its own, in its own name. The box.

When you started the pod that you don't have no longer have, now you have a new pod with Trisha. Yes. I mean, I started not Love Line with Trisha while. I was still doing canceled. I had two at once for a while. So it's not Love Lines, almost a year old, which is cool. And canceled pod. You started with this guy that let's just connect the dots.

Hunter Moreno. I started canceled with, I started canceled. My original idea, my original intention was I'm going to sit down and I'm going to bring my friends in. And you see in the beginning episodes like Ashley and Amari sat down for one and stuff. But the first episodes were with Hunter Moreno and Brooks Gofield. And by episode seven, I think we. We knew what was happening and what we were in for. That the people wanted Brooke and I.

Hunter knew he was not going to be cut out for the content of this podcast and he escaped. And I remember it's so funny at the time. I was like, I can't believe you're doing this. Like, why are you leaving now looking back? I'm like, good for you. Yeah. I'm so happy you got out. Like, I was so certifiably insane.

And when it was- Did you date him at any point? No. Okay. Did you see he's engaged to Brittany Snow? Yeah. Did you see? I've been seeing, I've been commenting, I've been,

you've been commenting? I've been commenting on these videos because I, I, no, no, I, you know, I mean, I just, I'm seeing a lot of misconceptions about Hunter and his character and he has been my best friend. He's actually like a brother to me and I love him so much and care about him so much. So it's, it makes me so sad to see him be so misunderstood across this. I didn't see that. People are saying negative things. Yeah, or just at least even just saying that like we date.

and stuff and just seeing old clickbait like come resurface and like actually affect lives like kills me and like well you know what's happening though a lot of people haven't heard of him they saw he's engaged to Britney Snow they're going on a dip dive like you can understand I 100% can understand I guess you know what I mean when you care about people yeah you just

to see people run with a narrative that about someone that you know to be untrue you know you always want to like fight back and I'm just so happy for him and this era of life. He's such a good person and he deserves this era of life so much. Did you know about the engagement? I mean. I mean. I just don't. It's, Britney is such. She's so cute. She was on the pod. She's the cutest. I know. She is the nicest, cutest, tiniest, humblest. Kind. Everything. Most truly, like, personable, like, cares about the little that she is like just the most incredible woman ever

and I don't even want to sit here and be commenting on it to cause her any... No, she's so sweet. She deserves the world. I love her too. And they are, they're both great. So seeing this like powerhouse duo, I'm like, oh my God. Did you watch Hunting Wives?

Of course. Are you obsessed? Of course. Yes. She is just, she's so talented. And I mean, I've known about her, obviously, since the dawn of time. I remember having a prom night,

the movie from Blockbuster and being like, who is this blonde diva, you know? So to now get to, like, see her in such a personal, intimate light in life. I'm like, she's amazing. And what's nice about her is like, she doesn't know. It's like, I told her too, like, grew up watching you, like with you.

Grew up with you. She's humble to a fault. Yeah. It's a lot. Do you know who you are? Yeah. She's like, I'm nobody. Lindsay Lowen's a big deal.

I'm not. I'm like, you're a deal. Oh my God. I know. It makes me sick. Tell me about this brand safe Tana moment that's happening. That that's even a word. Like you need to.

T.M. It's brand safe. I know. You're brand safe now. So you're sober? I am sober. And what's, what, did you actually feel like brands? Well, it all started. The brand safe era started with this baby girl right here. Okay. Shout out Tart cosmetics for being so amazing. And I mean, I noticed little things, but I keep talking about how sobriety, I mean, and going sober and changing who I was as a person and growing in so many ways. The second that you start following.

the path that is universally meant for you, it is so wild the way the universe rewards you. And you almost, I almost just feel like I'm on this divine timeline where the universe is like, wow, you are finally not a piece of shit. And we're going to throw you some bones for it. You know, you have finally done the self-work. And yeah, I mean, for so long, I couldn't get a brand to work with me if I tried. Really?

You know, or I could, but it'd be a dildo or it'd be an energy. drink that, like, might make you fucking, you know, it would be a weed company. It'd be, you know, so many things. And so to have. Like, you mean, at the height of your career, you could be making so much money off YouTube, but a brand to sponsor you wouldn't, yeah, but just not like what you wanted. It was, I mean, there was, there were certain brands. Like, I always joke that White Fox is my longest lifelong commitment.

Like, no one's ever committed to me like White Fox. I mean, but no, it was so hard. and like to get a brand to want to work with me. And that's why I do accredit everything to my fans because they rode for me and they watched the stuff and they came to the shows and they bought the merch

and they did all of the things to support me and love me even when I was so crazy and almost unlovable for so long, you know? So it's like, that is why I have such a special bond with them and it's now it is so interesting. Now you're like move over, I need the brands. Yeah, it's wild.

It's fucking nuts. It's like we get these contracts from these big brands and they want all these. It's new. It's almost like new and exciting. Do you know that that's like crazy? Yeah.

Like it's like in on its own just like a create that you're like now seeing these things are the first time when you've been around for so long. Well, I saw so many of my influencer friends doing it. I'd be like you're going to make a million dollars to do that. Like the things I have to do to make a million dollars are not the same as the things you have to do. And I was always kind of on the outside of it and it was kind of a joke and whatever. And it's been so cool.

And obviously there's, when I say I'm in my brand safe era, there, obviously there is a dash of irony in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I'm still me and I say a lot of unfiltered crazy stuff and whatever, but it's still very cool that these brands want to work with me. And I just feel so fucking grateful. And Tart really did like change the game for me. I and that's why I just thank Maureen and all of them. Were they your first, like, big, like. I think that I've worked with other like big brands and stuff, but not at this capacity.

yeah and like the way that you did that that uh lip kid thing with that me yeah and they they just welcomed me into their family and fucking blasted my name out there and put me on the front page and put our products in ulta and like funded so many things and we're still working on new stuff now you know like this beautiful like partnership and family and like you know can i make a suggestion tell no and the next lip kit to have like a one that's called the color is called brand safe? I 100% agree with you. It's actually funny someone commented because in my toothbrush video, I have a red lip and someone today was like toothbrush red. You should do that. And I was like, I'm not going to do that. I like brand safe.

Brand safe is good. It's, I think you. That's a color. I love that you have just, you have your things that you kind of stick with and that become a vibe for you and your fans. And it's like, now it's going to be like brand safe tana, brand safe tana. Exactly. So now you're at the Millie Bobby brown thing. Yes. Oh my God. Hashtag browns. Brand safe. So brand safe. What do you mean? I was sitting there with Miss Millie and we're talking about our lip products. Did you meet for the first time? Yes. Oh, it looked like you were vibing. We really did catch a vibe. It was so cool. Like she is she's everything. And I mean, people have, there's been a lot of discourse and viral videos and different stuff comparing us and saying we look alike and stuff for so long. And I don't see it.

I think she is 10 times more beautiful of a woman than I could ever. be she's gorgeous i'm like if she's 11 i'm like 14 okay i if she's millie bobby brown i'm millie bobby top i don't see it okay but she was just so nice to like play in on this stuff that was so cute we were really like giggling and catching a vibe yeah it's great night yeah brand save tana and it's so cool these opportunities too because i leave them and i like think to myself oh my god tana marie aren't you so grateful that this is happening for you while you are a right-minded individual. Like, I can't imagine how that would have gone if I was drunk, Tanna, crazy Tanna. I think that so many different things I'm doing in my life right now, I leave and I'm like,

drunk Tana could have never done that. You know what I mean? You would have ruined that. You would have made a mess. You would have embarrassed yourself. It would have gone so differently. So it is, it's the universe. I love this for you that you're like living a brand new life. I am. You're experiencing things like differently. And I don't mean to seem like preachy on this podcast. I like, I'm like sober, sober, sober. I don't mean to keep saying that, but I do, for me, it is my journey and it's my truth. And I also think that there's not always a girl who's there for the crazy girls to tell the crazy girls, you can get out of it too, you can change your destiny too. Yes, you can still have a great fucking time. Yeah, okay,

you're still having a great time. That's important to know. I'm having more fun now. I think than I've ever had in my entire life. Like, I'm happy and I don't regret things and I don't hate myself. Yeah. And I don't. I think that's a fear. It's like, but I'm so fun. when I'm drunk or I'm high or whatever and it's like scary to be sober because of that. Because getting sober does feel like there's this demon in the corner of the room that you're kind of like drinking or abusing substances to get away from. And when you go sober, you have to meet that demon and shake hands with it and get to know it. We'll be right back after the break. I know I've been talking about protein, fitness, wellness, a lot lately. I even posted

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Everything's different. And I learned so much. Like I, in the process, like, learned, like, how to eat better. Like, I used to not even focus an entire meal around protein. Like, I could have an entire meal, no protein in it. I didn't get the concept. Like, sometimes my brain really develops later, you know? Like, I didn't get the concept of, like, protein, carb, fat, fiber.

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If I feel like I want to say something or I have something that I want to say, I am always going to say it. That is who I am to my core. like truly i'm always going to be authentically myself and say what's on my mind and say the fucking truth like that is that is who i am but at the same time i think it just comes naturally with the frontal lobe and the loving of your life yeah to where it's like i look back at things i was doing and saying and i'm like i have the ick so bad i'm like why were you doing that get her a muzzle somebody tranquilize her now like it's it's more that where i'm just like i'm not as inclined to you're just like i'm not as inclined to you're just to be as fucking obnoxious or insane. What's like a viral moment that you had that you cringe at the most? Oh my God, it's really hard.

Can I hit my vape on your part? Yeah, I was going to ask if you have any vices. Yes, I do. Do you mind the vape in here or no? Thank you. Thank God for you. Okay. Yes, I'm still working through things.

People know, the fans, no. That's the other thing, too. I never want to seem holier than now. Like, I have it all figured out. I'm just, I'm just growing. I've grown. I'm, you know, I'm doing. Okay.

So there's vapes? Are there like stags, too? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I prefer my lungs to be filled with some flavored shit. Yeah, you like a... You know, there are nicotine pouches and stuff like that. I've definitely chilled out on this.

Yeah. Not so much that I can't not hit it on your podcast, but... Yeah. You're not like all day waking up to it and shit. I'm trying. Okay. So what is a viral moment that you cringe at the most? To pick one is actually like...

Like the Bryce Paparazzi's you care. I was going to actually say it's funny. That one's up there. That one's really up there. Yeah. Why? I didn't... Okay. Okay.

If I wasn't in that moment, and I wasn't, okay? And I saw it today. Good for you. Hey. Good on you for not being there. And it's like, let's say I'm an alien. I came from outer space. Oh, my God. Go back. And I see the race, like even the paparazzi's team Brice video. And people will be like, what is that? Why is it viral? What would you answer? Why?

I would tell them, what does Kendall Jenner say? It was Coachella 2016. It was the vibe. The thing is, is that with everything I can look back and be like, you know what? That was my vibe at the time. Right. What do you think you were wearing? Was it what you were wearing that made it?

No. I could have been in like a silky, solid black nightgown and looking fabulous. And the problem was the words that were coming out of my mouth. I mean, that was so crazy. Bryce Hall was boxing. This was at the time of influencer boxing. And he was going to fight Austin McBrougham. And I was Team Bryce on God.

And even the paparazzi was as well. And God, even that, no, it does make me want to die a little. I'm not going to sit here and fucking lie to you. Like, good God, like, oh, my God. But it's just, it's a story arc for sure. And now, you know, I mean, I see people dressing up as it for Halloween and shit. Like, I can pay homage to all of these things, the toothbrush, the bleaching tone. That's so gay Halloween, by the way.

That I know. And I love. Gay Halloween's been around forever. It just now made it to mainstream this year. I love it. I've been riding for gay Halloween. I saw another, like, Halloween. Was it like the Tana concept?

that made you laugh that you were... People were dressing up as that, of course. Oh, my God. It all, I appreciate that we... Because I also, you know what I think it is? I think when influencers are celebrities refuse to be in on a joke about them and like detested and throw a tantrum

and they're like, you guys start. It just makes it worse. It's like, this is... I can objectively say that that is fucking funny. Okay? Like, what was I saying? What was I wearing? What was I doing?

for so many of my moments, and it's like, I would just be lying if I was not like, you're funny for that. I think funny, like, funny has to recognize funny.

If you want to be a funny person, you got to fucking recognize when someone else is being a funny person. Well, look at the Kardashians and, like, you know, Kim just posted all the negative reviews about her Hulu show.

And how fucking iconic is that? So no one can say that it's not iconic that she posted that, you know? I love the show, too. I think people,

it's like, they just don't get it. They literally, it's like, it's Kim Kardashian. She's acting as herself. It's camp as fuck. She's dressed fucking amazing. That's half of the show.

It's for the girls. Yeah. The plot lines are these like insane astronomical divorces. Like, I'm obsessed. You're obsessed. I love it. People just love to put their rotten tomatoes hat on and start reviewing sure. I know.

I used to be a very big rotten tomatoes girl. Really? Like every time before watching something, I'd be like, how much did it get? But then now you have the audience score versus like the actual critics. I'm like, who do I care about? You know? And it's all objective. Like, I don't, I don't, I'm not sitting there trying to be Scorsese and say, oh my God, Kim's acting in that scene. No, I'm, I'm obsessed with the fashion. I can't. Tell me about this boyfriend. Or we're about to hit two years. Two years, Makoa.

Makoa. How'd you mean? He is perfect. Okay. He's frolicing the streets right now and I'm so happy for him to have a little New York moment because he's been going everywhere with me. We met in Hawaii. And you were on vacay. Met in Hawaii. We actually, I have a gay best friend named Makoa. So I'm, I collected. Makoa is like Infinity Stones. Okay, it is crazy. And I've known gay Makoa. And I have to refer to them this way. It's the only way it works, okay? And he hates it, by the way. He's like, I never wanted to be gay Makoa my whole life. And like fans come up to him. They're like, you're gay Makoa. But we have like a very brother-sister relationship. So it's funny to us. But he is gay. He's gay. Gay Makoa is gay. He's going to hate this. Gay Makoa. I've known him for like almost like eight years now, like something crazy. I've known him for a very long time.

And I was at a really low place in my life. And I was like, I'm going to, I'm going to go to Hawaii. I think it was one of the like 90 times I wanted to get sober and failed. And I was like, and I've always just felt very cold to Hawaii. I love it there. It is so peaceful. It's the exact opposite of the life that we live here on the mainland. You know what I mean?

It is so amazing. And the people and the culture and the way they take care of the environment. I love Hawaii so, so much. And so I get out there. I hit up Gay Makoa. I'm like, hey, I'm here. Come see me. And he brought his friends.

And he brought, and I jokingly on the phone too, I was like, bring me a boyfriend. and he my Makoa gets there and I didn't know him yet but I was just immediately so enamored he's so beautiful I mean I think in my head in the moment I was kind of like I want to fuck this hot surfer right I definitely didn't I wasn't thinking like this is my husband I didn't know yet and then we all go out to a dinner and we get absolutely hammered and gay Makoa is sitting behind me in this big wooden chair and he's like rocking it and the peg of the chair goes like through my toe and just like breaks my fucking big. toe. And it was so awful. And straight Makoa, my Makoa immediately just steps up to the plate.

It's like, he doesn't know me from anywhere. You know, we just met an hour ago. And I was flirting with him. We had just kissed. And I was like, oh, my God, this is the biggest cock block ever. This fucked up my vibe. Like, I'm not getting laid tonight. I'm so over it. I have to go to the hospital in Hawaii. Like, this man's never going to want me. And I was so. It's just turn off to have to go to the hospital. That's what I'm saying. Like, it's just killing the vibe, you know. But then he carried me around, like the rest of the trip. And he took care. care of me and he like just like waited on me hand and foot that like just that's who he is that's his character regardless and across that we just started to get to know each other and I remember

the moment it was probably like a week and a half in I was like oh no you I'm not I don't want to just fuck you I you're amazing you're so romantic and you're so intelligent and you're so smart and you're so calm and you're everything that I'm not and I think he's also he wasn't everything I was looking for. I had this like docket of a list of what I wanted in a man. You know, I was like, I want this and this and this and this. And he's, I wasn't thinking I want a responsible man. I want a peaceful man. I want a calm man. I want like a quiet man, you know? And yeah, it just, he's perfect. We balance each other out so well. And are you in Hawaii like full time now? I'm not in Hawaii full time. I bought a place in Maui and it's right by his family's house and we go there and it's so

so amazing. And I mean, it's funny now whenever I'm anywhere, everyone's like, do you live in Hawaii full time? And I'm like, I fucking wish. I still shit to do. I saw shit to conquer and do. Eventually, I mean, I would love to raise kids there. Even just seeing Kim McCoy has. This is the second time we've talked about kids on this pod, town. Oh my God. I'm not ready yet. I swear. I just, I do think. It's there. But it's like brewing. It's even a strong word. Okay. Like, it's not brewing. Like, like, we're talking like in your 30s, you would consider it. I always thought I wanted to be a young parent, and now I'm like, oh my God, fuck that. I like, for me, you know, just because, especially with everything I went through in my childhood,

I, it is my life's mission. I will see to it that I am the best, most emotionally intelligent, caring, incredible mom that I can be. And until I've read every book and done everything, and I know you can't fully prepare for it, but until I've really, I'm really confident that I'm in that place, I won't be bringing any life into the world. Do you think he is the one, though? Yes. Yeah? Yeah, I do.

You think you're going to get married? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, shit, I hope so. Are you, like, sick at not I'd be like, hello? Are you ready now? No. Like, if you got down on Monday now.

Well, yes, right? Like, I love him. Yeah. I know the destiny. You know what I mean? But I think that we both are at this place. One, where we're, like, enjoying dating. I never realized how much there was, like, a societal, like, the second you hit the

the year and a half mark with someone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And people are coming up to you, like, fisting you with it. about like getting engaged. And it's like, oh my God, I'm 27. Yeah, I have the rest of my life. That is true. And do you know what it is?

It's not that I'm afraid of marriage at all or anything. If I could snap my fingers and we just like were, I think I would. But it's like the second that he's engaged, we're planning an engagement, we're planning a wedding, we're doing all these things. And being engaged, at least I hear from a lot of my friends, is the most magical time of your life. And I want to ensure that I have more free time to really enjoy that. I want to planning a wedding to be like, the.

only thing I'm doing. I don't want to be like planning a wedding and then like doing a tart collab and they feel like the same thing. And it's like I'm picking like what shades of plates and curtains for the tart party, but then I'm also doing the same thing for my wedding and it feels like this work thing. Truly no rush though. Yeah. Truly I agree with that. Because it's like I want to be like, I want to be like laxadaisical at that time and be like, oh my, this is so magical. What linens do we want in our way? You know, it's like I don't want to do that right now. I'm tired. Okay. Really quick, go down some interesting moments. moments that you've had. Oh, good God. Okay. Okay. You're dressing as Alabama Barker for Halloween.

I wish Paige was here with us because she's here in New York and she's just not here right now. My best friend, Paige, she is such a sweetheart. She was my assistant for a long time and now she has the natural road of progression, I think, when working for Tanamojo is to then move into content creation, right? And she's now doing that and she knows I'm in my peace era and she calls me, I'm in Hawaii. I'm on the beach. I answer. I'm like, what's up? She's like, you're never going to want to do this, but I'm begging you on my hands and knees. Please, please just step out of retirement, be crazy for the night. You love a crazy costume. You love a funny costume. And I do. She got me in my sweet spot. I love a fucking silly Halloween costume. And it worked so well.

She just had this idea for you to do. She was like, I'm going to be bad baby. You're going to be Alabama. You've got the blonde wig. Like, you know how to do the glam. And you were like, fine. Later, after several, several phone calls. And I can recognize. good content when I see it. And I didn't, I, on the harmless meter, it felt okay. So, but no beef with her. No. Did she care? She didn't care. There was definitely a point in time where I was definitely, and I mean, you can see this in my digital footprint, disgruntled with some things that Alabama had to say. But at the same time, I think that. Well, you have like past beef with her. Yeah. I mean, I hate beef because it was, I was more just like, damn, why did you have to say that?

She talked about you. I was almost hurt. Honestly. She talked about you. you? Yes. Okay. In one of her lives? I think this was pre-live. I don't know. Yeah. Someone said that her and I look alike and she said, I don't know her exact verbiage. Okay. But she was not pleased with that. She was dissatisfied with that. And she had previously messaged me kind of asking for hair girls and nail girl and stuff. And I was like, you asked for the setup. And now, you know, I was just like a little upset. But I also now, I think can be like, oh my God, Tanna, think about how awful and insane you were at those young years. Maybe you weren't doing that.

I was never kind of about people's looks or saying things like that. But I was definitely saying such insane fucking things and doing such insane things. I'm like, you got to feel like it was like closure. I can't. Yeah, I'm like closing the loop almost now. It's like when these younger girls are saying and doing things, I'm just like, oh my God. I would be such a hypocrite to be sitting where I am. in this phase of my life and not give grace to like other young girls who are maybe in more wild

eras. What is the dumbest thing you've spent an absurd amount of money on? I took the private jet era too far. Really? Yes. Oh my God. And it's like, do you think you're Barack Obama? Do you think that you are just so above TSA that you must take a private? Well, you were taking PJs everywhere? Yes. Stop. Yes. And I mean, it was the OF era too. So it was like it just everything was so flashy and I, that's what I wanted to be. And like, you know, just, it was, some of those could have been Southwest. For sure. What about the OZempe?

Because you've had this OZempic moment where you were like. Manjaro. No, I'm just kidding. The Monjaro ever. I'm just kidding. Where you were talking about everybody doing it, right? Saying, like, not being against it, but whatever. And then you were like, fuck it.

I'm going to try it. Like, where are you out with it? right now. You said it didn't. It was kind of one of those things where I was seeing everyone try it. And I did want to try it because I do think that I'm the type of person who eats for dopamine like a crazy person. Yeah. Okay. Like I, and I'm just like, I don't know how to put it into words. Like I sometimes I do think my relationship with food is unhealthy, I guess. Like I'm overeating. I'm eating too much bad stuff. I'm like just not being good to my body or myself. And when I found out that there was something that could kind of help your brain chemistry and your stomach

and all of those things. I was kind of like, shit, I've tried everything else under the sun. I'm going to put this in my arm. And the thing is, it's funny because I talked about it. And now obviously people are coming to me like, I'm like the spokesperson. And I'm like, everyone in L.A. is on it. Everyone in New York is on it. Yeah.

Everyone is on it. You know, and I think it's good. I don't think anyone should do anything for their body that they don't want to do. You know what I mean? It's a personal thing. But I do have a toxic relationship with it because like any quick fix. there are negatives, you know? Like you didn't feel great on it, you said at some point.

And there's definitely nights where you're like laying up and you're like, what is in my bloodstream? And like, it's so strange to like look at your favorite food in the entire world and be like, I'm not hungry. I don't want that. And it's like it rewires a lot of things. I crave kale on Minjaro. Like when I'm on Minjaro, I'm like, God, a superfood salad sounds amazing right now

because that's fuel for my body. And then I get off of it and I'm like, crunch wrap in bed now. Like it's... I saw your Chili's video and I have to tell you something. Tell now. I've never had Chili's.

And I'm not going to do the Jake Chain thing again where I just start fucking screaming at the top of my lungs. But it's just like, we need to divide society into people who have had it and people who have it. And I just, you know,

but at the same time, I do understand that some people aren't like chain restaurant baddies like me, some people. I don't think I've had olive girls. in either. Do you feel satisfied with yourself when you sleep at night? That's what I want to know. Are you okay with this? I need to go on a

I need to go on a tour. Do you eat really healthy? I try to. Okay, what is your, what is your vice? No, my vice would be like, you're eating like shit, what's the meal? So I know you're going to make fun of me, but it's like literally like a penayal of vodka. Oh my God. See, and I love New York bitches. You know what I mean? Because she's sitting here in a fucking light pink quarter zip saying her bad meal is panay all of vodka and that's that's cunt okay that is fucking oh my god that is i ate

that last night and i was like i am a health guru okay listen i could get it down with like a big mac don't get me wrong don't get me don't get me don't get me wrong and in my healthy hair i just posted the other week like i'll like take off the buns i'll fucking eat the big mac give me the sauce that's all i need okay i am all for a protein style burger, okay, all for it. And in and out protein, I know you guys don't have that, but even like, Shake Shack does a good lettuce wrap burger. Love it. Love it. But when I was just gluten-free, I went to McDonald's. When I was just gluten-free and my short little lapse of that, I went to McDonald's and obviously nothing on the McDonald's menu is gluten-free. So I decided to try that.

And I do like to do that everywhere else. And I ordered a McDonald's Cheeseburger and I took those buns off and I went into that meat. It was me and that meat, girl, okay? And it's the bun, really, the bun is like the face tune for the burger, okay? It really saves it. It is the most 3D printed inside of a burger that I've ever seen in my entire life. I felt like I was eating like a children's toy. So there's no way you just have big masks without the bun all the time.

But it has a lot of sauce. That's what I'm saying. So it masks it. Okay. The Franklin Jonas having your name tattooed. Frankie Jonas. Well, he's Franklin Jonas too, right? Yeah.

I think officially. Franklin just sounds so like Roosevelt, like so fancy. It does sound dramatic. Well, I also like erase him from the Jones. Jonas family because I forgot about him. I forgot about him today. I was like, I can't forget about Frank.

No, I literally was like watching something with the Jonas brothers and I was like, it's my sign to have three kids. And then people were like, there's a fourth brother. So it was just in time to go down the lore of his tattoo of your name. Yes. Did you, how did you find this out? Is he removing it? Why did he do it?

Is he a super, is he a stalker? No, he's not. He's so amazing, by the way. He is, like, just so funny and so sweet and so down to earth and incredible. I fucking love Frankie Jonas, okay? I think I don't actually really remember. How you found out? Well, no, I remember when I found out, but I think the precursor was like he maybe posted a video saying he was going to get a tattoo and I said my name or something.

And then I remember it was Christmas Eve and I was staying in a cabin in Breckenridge, Colorado, okay? The snowflakes are falling. It's a beautiful evening. I'm surrounded by the people I love. and Frankie Jonas posted that he had just gotten my name tattooed on his leg. And I'm like, it's Christmas Eve. So I'm imagining he's also with Nick, Joe, and Kevin, right? They're surrounded by the fire and the ones they love.

And I'm like, what the hell is going on? What is my life? And then I just, I don't think about it often and occasionally. And I've asked him why he doesn't really know why. I don't think he has any intent of lasering it, which I think is so sweet and iconic, that A. Jonas brother, not one of the, you know, but A Jonas brother has my name. tattooed on them. And he's amongst the list of many people who have my name tattooed on them.

Stop. Yeah, I went through, I don't know how it's happened. A lot of people have my name tattooed on them. And shout out to all of those people. It's iconic. Yeah. For the most part, I'm still close with many of them. For the most part, I feel bad for the people who have it and who we now have each other. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming on. I'm so happy for this new era. Really? You are so, I love really. Let's go back to me. No, you're a really talented interviewer. And this was, I was so excited when my team was like, do you want to go on her podcast? I was like, yes, I want to sit where Chris Jenner sat. I was so excited too.

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