Not Skinny But Not Fat - BRITTANY CARTWRIGHT ON THE VALLEY & THE SEPARATION

Episode Date: April 9, 2024

Brittany Cartwright who we first met on season 4 of Vanderpump Rules is now a separated mom of one ! We discuss her very public separation from notorious bad boy JAX TAYLOR, drama on the spinoff THE VALLEY & more!Produced by Dear Media.Please note that this episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct or indirect financial interest in products or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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How are you? You look great. Thank you. And you're going through it right now. So, like, saying you look great as, like, I mean it. Thank you. Because people that go through, like, separations and stuff. like, aren't leaving their house, aren't being public about it.

No. And here you are. I feel like I've had to be very public about it. Right. I know. It's been crazy. You know, the whole public part is something most people don't have to deal with when they're going through something like this. Yeah.

Well, I want to start from the very beginning. Okay. Because I was going through some nostalgia thinking of you. And when you joined the cast and you were like a little itty baby. 26. With little itty, boobies. They're obviously different now. They're different now.

I know. What were they then? Probably like an A or a B. I'm not really sure. I was so mad at him then, by the way. When? When he, like, wanted me to go bigger? Yeah.

I remember it was like, I was never a, like, Jacks, like the people that were against him, no matter what he did. I was like, you know, I enjoy watching reality TV for, like, the characters that give us good TV. You know what I mean? Yeah. But with that.

I was annoyed. But then I realized you liked it. Yeah, I think that he got a lot of hate because people just thought that he like made me get a good job, which is not the case at all. But they are way bigger than I want right now. Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah. I'll definitely do like a down side.

A mommy makeover one day and get them smaller. Really? Yeah, because they just keep growing and growing and growing like the energized. Wait, how do they grow? Just if my weight fluctuates and stuff, it's just like up and down, up and down. Like they feel a few longest right now. so and I feel like they make me look bigger than I really am too right that's a thing with big boobs yeah like sometimes I'm like I want smaller boobs because like you know what I mean it's hard

to dress because I'm like smaller like down here and then like up here so it's a whole thing but people do get like reductions oh yeah for sure and I would do I would definitely do that it's just you want to want to see if I'm going to have more kids or not you know okay now let's talk about you coming on boobs aside You officially joined the cast in season six, but we met you season four. Season four. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you a fan of the show?

No, I had not ever seen an episode whenever I met Jacks. Never, ever. Are there people that don't believe you? Because you know that people say that. People still at this day think that I got into his DMs and met him like that. And I'm like, I've literally told the story a thousand times. We were at a bar in Vegas, and he approached me at the bar. We met Katie first because my friend Kara was a fan of the show.

So I literally took a photo of Kara with Katie. and then Schwartz came over and we all went to the bar to take a shot and then Jacks came up. So how did it get, though, to the point where you're moving to L.A. for him? We just spent every single night in L.A. or in Vegas together for like four days straight. And then I figured we wouldn't talk anymore after that because obviously I found out who he was. Everybody was telling me that he's like this bad boy and stuff. So I go back to Kentucky and every other week I was like flying out to L.A. to see him. And then he like asked me to move in right away.

kind of. He was even telling me in Vegas that he wanted me to move to LA, like fast. Wow. Yeah. So he like swept you off your feet. Yeah, we like definitely had that like love at first sight type romance. And were you listening to the chatter of people online and people being like, no, no, no. I mean, people were definitely telling me my mom had to even watch the show. So she like knew who Jacks was and stuff. Oh my God. So people definitely were letting me know about who he was. But I'm such a, I don't judge people for their past and stuff. I'd rather. like I was more about like how you treat me is what I'm going to go off of. Do you think that he was partly so into you because you were so different and such a good girl?

I think so. He liked my accent. He was like he talked about all that stuff and I think I was just a lot different than all the LA girls. Right. So. And how did you feel about coming on the show though? I was a nervous wreck. I was it was insane. I barely spoke the first couple times you see me like Jacks was definitely the one that carried all the conversations. Yeah. Because I was just, just so nervous. Yeah. It was very weird. And meeting the cast and stuff too.

Oh, it was so intimidating. But they kind of like took you in. Oh, yeah. I actually became friends with Katie. Like, that's how we met Jacks because Katie was so nice. And she was like, she was like, let's talk. Like, where are you guys from? Like she started talking about our accents and stuff because my friend Kara that I was

visiting. She's from Kentucky as well. So that's kind of how the ice was broken there. And then Sheena was like nice to me right away. got really close to Sheena whenever I moved to LA they were actually nice to me Lala was the only one

that you had a little bit of a Yeah that's so funny Isn't that funny looking back Like seeing you guys like fight Yeah well I had to like confront her Yeah And really it was Jax that was being a flirty asshole The whole time

Yeah How are you now you and Lala We're great Yeah I love her Good I love her too There is something going around on TikTok I think that's saying that they did hook up Have you seen that?

I don't think they ever hooked up No no I don't think they ever hooked up No no I just She would have told me by now. Yeah. It doesn't matter anymore. I mean, you never know in this friend group. We just found out about China and Schwartz.

Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Did you know about that? No, I don't think I knew about it. Like, unless she told me one night drunkenly and I forgot it, but she's never mentioned it to me. Was that, what did you think when you saw that? I was just like, what?

Like, I just, she tells me all these crazy stories all the time. So the fact that that one was left out was weird to me. Yeah. But do you believe it that it was just like not a full-on makeout that it was just like a little kiss or I do believe it. I feel like it was probably just a drunken Vegas thing. Yeah. And she probably felt like guilty about it because he was dating Katie and she was dating Shea. So that's probably why she didn't tell anybody. I know. I feel like that's more that the, I feel like the shocking part is more that Sheena did it to Shea. Yeah. Then Schwartz did it to Katie

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customers so everybody loved you on the show like I said you really fit in thank you so quickly and people were rooting for you with everything going on with jacks especially season six oh gosh yeah so how upset were you when you weren't coming back for season eight uh it was really weird. Well, we were on season eight. We didn't come back for season nine. But it was really weird because at that point our whole relationship had been on camera. So it was going to be a new part of our relationship also that we were going to go through. But it was a much needed break for us as well because

Jacks was kind of getting a little big-headed, a little egoy towards the end of it, like not wanting to show up for certain things and kind of taking things for granted. And he'll say this himself. So he felt like he needed that time to like really like understand and now he's like ready to come back and he's like so much better with that kind of stuff. Would you have stayed without him or was that a no, not even a question for you? I mean, if him and I would have broken up, I would have stayed. Right, because how would you do it if you're together, you mean?

Exactly, yeah. Because we were married by that point. It's funny that you're saying his ego got big and now he learned like you're still defending him whereas like still now his ego is so big. Like he basically says that he created the valley. He kind of did. Yeah, he actually kind of did. Listen, I think it's just kind of like my natural thing to like try to take up for him.

And I know it sucks and I shouldn't do that. Are you like that with everybody you love? Uh-huh. I'm right or die. Like, I've got your back no matter what. But, you know, it's, I can see how stupid I look on the, like, the valley when I'm like, he didn't mean it. He shouldn't pull his pants down.

No. The stupidest thing. But you still believe that? Like, about the pants. Are you still siding with Jacks and the pants pulling down? Oh, I think it was so. stupid, obviously. I think that it was very childish, but also I don't think it's that big

of a deal. I see. You know? Yeah. But what I'm saying is his ego is still big. Oh, his ego is still big. But whenever I say that, it's because he was being like so weird. Like, he didn't want to go to Malibu because he said it would take too long to drive and do a scene there. He's like, we could do a scene here and it'd be the exact same. Yeah. He was kind of getting like

that. And you can't be like that if you're trying to make a show. Like a diva. Yeah, he was being a diva. It was being a diva. Yeah. So he at least doesn't do that part anymore. So did you have any resentment, though? Like, we're not on this show anymore because of you and I could be with all my friends and be still on TV. I mean, a little bit, but there was so much going on at the time.

Like, it was COVID. I was pregnant. There was just, like, so many different things that was happening. So I'm kind of glad we weren't on. Really? At that point. Yeah, because I had, like, a hard pregnancy. Right.

You were saying you had a hyperamesis. Yes. Don't know. Yeah. And my postpartum was pretty intense. You would have had to film that. Yeah, I would have had to film that. So, like, I give all the props to, like, Sheena for going through that.

I mean, she's still going through it kind of on the show. Yeah. Yeah. She's still dealing with the aftermath of giving birth. Yeah. I mean, it takes a long time. And for me, I had gained so much weight. And I just, like, people are so hard on me, I feel like, in the media and everything that I'm just glad I didn't have to deal with that publicly. Do you think people are harder on you than on other cast members?

Sometimes. Really? Yeah. Why do you think it's because they, you're nice and really? I know that sounds weird. but I don't, like, I take everything, I'm very sensitive and I take things like personally whenever I shouldn't because it hurts my feelings. Like, I'm the type of person that's like, I don't understand what I did to you to like make you be mean to me, you know? First of all, it's a valid, very sincere question about trolls. Yeah. Like, what did I do to you?

Yeah. That you're so mean. Yeah. It can, like, really get me down sometimes. I try not to, but I'm such a people pleaser. I know that about myself. And I just try to, like, I'm always wanting everybody to be happy, everybody to get along. Like, that's kind of like who, that's who I am.

Yeah. So when somebody random is, like, going after my character or, like, spreading lies or doing whatever, it just, like, really gets to me. So is this stuff that gets to you, it sounds like, more about, does it get to you more when it's about who you are as a person or about, like, your appearance or stuff like that? I mean. More about if they're going after my character because I feel like I've never shown

like a mean side or anything. Right. But I also feel like I get a lot more heat because I don't normally go off on people but like one time I like popped off on James at like a reunion. Everybody was so mad at me. I'm like so I'm not supposed to ever take up for myself.

Yeah. I kind of feel like I get back into a corner a little bit with that kind of stuff. I feel like we do get to see a little bit of that side of you on the Valley now where you do talk. You speak up for yourself. Yes.

Oh for sure. We're seeing that. Like do you think It has to do with maybe you feel like more confident because Vanderpump, you came in new. Yeah. And you were always going to be newer than, you know, the OG. And here you're the OG. I am.

I'm the OG. It's crazy. And I also think I've just gotten stronger after I had my son and kind of like woke me up a little bit. And this season on the Valley, I think you're going to gradually see me continue to get stronger. Good. So, yeah. How did you feel this season the girls on Vanderpump kind of brought up your relationship? they were talking about

they were at lunch and they were saying like rumors about Jacks and Brittany I mean we all are still very close friends like even though we're on the Valley

they're on Vanderpump rules like we all know each other right everybody in our cast knows everybody on Vanderpump we're still around each other all the time and I think that there's always things about

Jacks and like rumors going around and I don't believe that they're true right I mean who knows what he's doing right now back then back then he didn't believe it no

every since we've been married. I really don't think he's cheated. Really? Yeah. Have you, because I know when the faith thing happened on season six, you made sure to know all the details, you heard the recording, like you found out, you legitimized it. So when you hear rumors about him during your marriage, how do you check them out? We investigate. Were you investigate? And you haven't found basis to those things. No, I have like all of his passwords. I have his social media accounts. I've got all that stuff. And also that what they were talking about was like a picture on Reddit and it was like, the bar owner's wife that took it and he was there too so like people just see a picture and they

like kind of run with it yeah but also like janet on the valley she's like really good at doing that investigation stuff just like Kristen so like they'll like dig deep and find out every single detail so we debunked it we knew it wasn't true by the time that it did you get like do you get like annoyed with the girls on vanderpump like why would you bring up my relationship kind of thing on the show it was kind of weird since we're not on the show anymore right but also like The Valley was getting ready to do a crossover. So you're like, oh, not bad. Yeah.

You're like, not bad product placement over there. I mean, even though we weren't on Vanderpump, there was always flashbacks of us. Right. So I was like, Jackson is still basically a cast member. Pumping up that ego again. So do you have any phoma watching Vanderpump, though? Or have you moved on from that? I don't really watch it all the time.

But I do obviously see, I get tagged in everything. And I know what's going on because I'm so close with like Sheena. and Lala. I saw Ariana last night in Chicago, by the way. She did awesome. Oh, yeah, she's so good. So good. Are you close with her?

Yes. And Tom Schwartz is, like, always around us, too. So, like, they're very much in our lives. And Sandoval and Jax are, like, they're starting to be, like, friends again. It's very weird. Is that? I mean, it's so weird.

Yeah. Because Jack's really leaned into the Scandaval. Yeah. Train. He did. So how did they move? How do they move? I mean, this group moves past Wilder.

dead. But they move past it and they're like buddies now. I think it's because Tom and Jacks were friends longer than anybody. Like they kind of started that whole Banner Pump group. Like they modeled together way back when. Yeah. And I think that over time, Jack started realizing like, you know, yeah, what he did was bad, but he didn't like kill anybody. So there's, you know, that's kind of how he was like taking it. And Jackson is like the last person that could like really judge something. I mean, but he did. Yeah. He did. He did. He did. He was hard on him. He did. And I, and he told him these things to his face, too. It's not like he just said it behind his back. So I think they were able to get over it after. And what about you? Are you cool with Sandoval? I mean, he's nice to me

and I'm nice to him, but it's not like I'm texting him or, or meeting up with him or anything like that. Like, no. But he comes to our bar a lot. So I'll like see him. Is that weird that he's supportive of, I would think that he would be competitive with your bar. They're so different. Ours is like such more of like a sports bar. There's is a little bit like fancier kind of. Yeah. They're not really, I don't really think that they're They don't see competition in it. I don't see competition in it. And it's going well, Jack says.

Yeah, it's going really good. And you're part of it. Yes. I mean, Jack said on the show, but you're, what do you do there at the bar? I helped with, like, a lot of the design and stuff. And I've got, like, Ma' Mall's Beer, Cheese on the menu and, like, different drinks and this and that. And, of course, we go in. And, like, a lot of it is, like, promoting and getting people in and doing, like, different parties and different things like that.

Yeah. So it's fun. Yeah. Yeah. It could be fun. It could be fun. Yeah, it could be a lot. Is Jack's have shares in the?

place? Yeah, we all, we do. It's just our partners are like so great. We already had a place. So we were able to get it open in like three months. Oh, wow. Very fast. So it's not just his name. No. Yeah. I see. Yeah. It's like, you know, but we're kind of the face of it. The face of it. Yeah. Kind of like Tom Tom. Yeah. So now you're separated. You have a son together. You're working at the bar together. You do a podcast together. You were just doing Easter together. Mm-hmm. You were just seen in Malibu together. You're a lot to. together. We are, but it seems like we're together a lot more than we are, but I'm still like, I'm still saying in a separate house, but. And you went to get an Airbnb. Yeah. Explain that.

So we just got to a big fight and I was just kind of like, okay, I'm, I'm packing up and me and Cruz are getting out of this toxic environment. So I went and got an Airbnb for a month, and then it turned into two months, three months. So I've been in Airbnb since January 24th, right before my birthday. What happened on your birthday? Did he, was you happy birthday? I didn't invite him out? Did he try to talk to you and, I mean, every birthday, buy you a gift? Yeah, he like was wishing me happy birthday and stuff, but like we weren't posting about each other or anything like that. So people

started to notice. That's the only reason I even said anything publicly is because like the Instagram investigators could tell that I was staying in a different house. That is wild because when I started hearing about it, I was like, no way, you know? And then it's like, way. Yeah. A lot of people thought it was a publicity stunt. I mean, people, yeah, that's, and I was, I mean, I'm naive in general. I never think things are publicity stunts, but I'm like, no way. Like, that was another thing with my sensitive soul that, like, really hurt my feelings because, like, I feel like people should know my character.

I would never do that. And I would never put my, my stun through this if it wasn't real. But, like, I feel like I've gotten so much stronger. And I just, like, had enough. I hit my breaking point. And I just was like, I have to get out of here. And Jack's is really stubborn. And so he was not about to leave the house.

house even if I paid for the Airbnb, which I offered. Stop. Wow. Why, do you have like separate finances? Yes. That's good. Oh, yeah. Now you're probably happy about that. Yes. Very. And what about Cruz? How is he doing? He's actually doing really good. I think he's like thriving a little bit. And that kind of breaks my heart because I feel like we were just arguing in front of him. And that's one of the main reasons I was like, I have to get out of here. Because he doesn't deserve that. He doesn't deserve that. So once I had him, it was just like, avail was lifted and I could just see everything that I was going through and I just hit my breaking point. They always say when a woman hits their breaking point, it's like over.

Are we ever going to know what that breaking point was? Like, is it going to be on the show? Are you going to share it at any point? We do pick up the cameras again. So, you know, we filmed over the summer. So it's been like six or seven months since we saw it filming. But we picked cameras back up for a couple days so that we could document what was going on now. So then people will find out kind of what that big fight was.

Mm-hmm. A little bit more into it. I mean, I don't really go into, like, too much detail, but... But it sounds like it's not about cheating. No, no, no. It's more about behaviors. More about respect and taking me for granted and different things like that, so... And people have been asking you a lot in the last, you know, a couple of months it's been going on. Like, what...

Because it's a separation. You didn't file for divorce. Right. You might give him a second chance. It depends on what. I don't know. I'm, like, so up in the air right now. like right now I'm like loving my space really yeah and I feel really glad about my space and not

being like with him right now at that he would have to do a lot of work to change my mind so it's kind of like in his hands if he's going to do the things that I've asked for him to do does it seem like he will in the beginning he did not want me to leave and but now he's kind of more like sunken in yeah he's leaning in a little bit and it's like okay if you're not going to work on it then I'm definitely gone so yeah just kind of depends on what's going to It does look on him. It does look like he's leaning in. I mean, we see him at the bar.

I mean, not that that's, you know, really you can know what anybody's going through on social media. But, I mean, I'm thinking about Jacks as a person and, like, yes, he loves you and is probably so dependent on you and is you around. Oh, very dependent on me. But maybe he's seeing this other life. Like, wait, I could be out here again. I think he's, like, enjoying his space as well. But, like, there's just a lot of internal things that he needs to fix. So how do you separate that and then record a podcast?

Separate that. I will literally put my headphones in and ride in the car with him and then just do my podcast as a job. Yeah. Wow. Mm-hmm. And not like have small talk to chat coffee. I will be honest. If we have small talk, we end up fighting.

Really? Yeah. So what was happening in Malibu when you were hanging out? That was actually okay because it was Easter and that's super important to me. And I want to cruise to have a good day. So we kind of got into a little tiff before we got to Easter, but one of our friends also was proposing that day. So it wasn't like about us. You know. So I kind of just made it. You were able to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good for you. I want you to know that like the people have your back. Thank you. Even if you see like mean things on the internet. Yeah. Most people think you deserve more. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. I've been definitely getting a lot of support. And whenever I say like I do get a lot of like hate and stuff, there's always way more people that support. Oh, I'm aware. Yeah. Yeah. Like the hate can be 5% but it's so loud. Exactly. Totally. Exactly. So I do have a lot of support and a lot of people are so kind to me.

It just, you know, going through a lot publicly can be very hard. Do you feel like you have the strength to go through with like a permanent separation? Like to be like we're done, we're living, you know. It's going to be really hard. I love my house. And that's like one of the biggest. You're like Tom Sandoval over here. It's hard. I mean, that's my house, too. Like, you know, like, that's my home where I raise my son.

Yeah. And I really love it. So, like, things like that are hard. And, like, I don't know how I feel if he starts dating somebody. If I start dating somebody. Well, what are the rules now, like, of the separation? Are there intimacy rules? We don't really, like, it's hard to have a conversation with Jacks.

I mean, about that, it's also, like, weird. He doesn't really, like, you can't just, like, sit down and have, like, a meaningful conversation with him. It always turns into an argument. He always gets defensive. It's, like, really. hard for me to do those things. I'll try, but it doesn't really get anywhere. But I mean, I'm down to like hang out with somebody. I think a separation is all about like figuring out what you want in your future. Really? You know? Damn, Brittany. Okay. Okay. I'm down with that. Yeah. I'm down.

I mean, I can if I want to. So does that mean he can? I mean, if he wants to. Yeah. But are you hearing stuff lately or no? Not really. Not really. Not really. Not really. I think he's very much like I'm not I don't want to do that but blah blah and I'm like whatever give you like another month and we'll see how you're acting then yeah okay if you guys haven't seen the trailer for the challengers where have you been it's with our fave zendaya opposite her co-stars jash o'connor and mike fice the director is lucca guadagnino you might know him from call me by your name with our fave timothy shall he's a he's a director you want to you want to watch his movies let me just tell you that if you want to be turned on you got to watch you got to watch lucas movies okay also zendaya we're seeing her in this really adult role really different than what we're used to she looks like freaking unstoppable uh she stars as tashi duncan a tennis prodigy who turns to coaching because she suffers an injury tashi tries help her husband art played by mike feist so she really tries to

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And speaking of your like, Jacks can never own up to anything. Yeah. It's like I was watching some clips from season six. And it is in mind. I don't know if we knew the term gaslighting then. Oh, yeah. It's like we do today.

Yeah. But like, wow, the fact that he managed to flip the faith thing on you because you played the audio is wild. So think about dealing with stuff like that for nine years and putting up with it and how much that weighed on me over all these years. And you felt bad. I was so, because I was so in love and, like, he literally, like, made me feel that way. It's a manipulate. Like, he knew how to.

It really is. Yeah. Like, we used gaslighting very loosely. Yeah. But that is making, flipping the script, making somebody somehow managing to make you feel bad when he did the most awful shit. Yes. And also his friend's support. I mean, Sandoval supported that.

He was yelling at Ariana. Mm-hmm. And everyone was like, yeah, that's so fucked up that Brittany did that. And I'm like, what? I'm like, what's fucked up is the recording in the first place. Right. Not that I played it. But, Brittany, you forgave that.

I did. I did. I forgave so much in our relationship. And I'm glad that I have my son. Right. At least I have that out of it. So you can, like, yeah, it's hard to regret when you have that. Exactly.

Because Cruz is the best thing in my life. Yeah. So that's worth any of the hard things I've been through. That's why I know I've gotten so much stronger. Because, like, if that was to happen to me now, there's no way in hell I would stay with him or put up with it anymore. Like, I've gotten so much stronger. Oh, you think that today you wouldn't have. Oh, gosh, no.

There's absolutely no way I would stay with him after that. After that. And you had sex with him after that, like the night, that night or something. It was a couple of days later. And that was, like, very weird. But I've talked to, like, other women about that. And I feel like it's like an ownership type thing. a lot. Oh, like a reactive thing. Yes. Yeah. Which is very weird. I know, but that's just kind of

what it was like. Yeah. Have you gotten to therapy to like talk through this stuff ever? We've done it a couple times. But together you've done it. Yeah. But it was always on a show and stuff. So it's like hard to. Yeah. You know, and now I really want him to go. That's part of what I'm talking about you. I feel like for you. I haven't myself. No. I probably should because I'm like, I'm very, it's hard. hard for me to express my emotions a lot, but, like, I also keep a lot of things in because I always try to be positive. Yeah. So, like, it'll just, like, kind of crush you over time. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, even what you're saying right now, like, you know, just the face stuff, forgiving him, doing, you know, being intimate with him after what you're saying, you even

learned as like a coping mechanism. Oh, for sure. Which makes sense. Yeah. And I've, like I said, I spoke to other women about it. And they're like, we did, I did the same thing. It's weird. It's very weird. It's like he's, yeah. So you're saying looking back today, you would have done things differently. If it was me now. If it was you. I would be completely different. Yeah. Then I was because even I was watching that scene when you're in bed and he like breaks up with you. That was really weird. You were in shock. Oh yeah. So that was very crazy because as soon as I, because I like ran out of the house. I remember. And he's calling me 25 times. I don't want to break up. I don't want to break up. I don't want to break up. None of that was even on the show. Like, it just looks like that he left me.

Yeah. But in reality, I actually left him. And I broke up with him for like three months. And he, he would call me like a hundred times a day over and over. I went traveling with Sheena, hooked up with my ex. Like, I was doing all the things. And then eventually he won me back. He won me back. Yeah. But it was. That was also a mind fuck. Whenever he like tried to break up with me on camera after doing, after embarrassing me publicly all season. It was really hard. I know. And like, do you think that you, because a lot of women that get betrayed like that, even though they forgive, if they decide to stay and forget, it stays with them and it could come up in a fight five years later, six years later. I was just seeing on Summerhouse, like Amanda

Batula brought it up to Kyle, you know, or about Kyle. And I'm like, wow, she's still there. You know what I mean? Or even Katie's seeing Katie emotional about Schwartz. We're like, she left Schwartz. She's not, she doesn't give a fuck about him anymore. She's living her life. but you could still that she still has that like emotion towards like the shit that he did yeah did you did it kind of stay with your relationship oh yeah it was hard for a very long time and i can still go there if i really want to yeah but i try not to because it's like not a low blow but it's like an easy oh yeah it's an easy way to like fight with him or whatever right but honestly like this goes back to jack's not being able to communicate like we anytime i ever brought it up it was it was always shut down like i was never really

able to express my emotions or how I felt throughout that whole situation because he always would shut it down. I'm not going to fight about this 24-7. Just because the show's back on, you're not, we're reliving it. I'm not going to fight about it. Like, he would always shut me down where I felt like I couldn't even talk about it. That's fucked up. It is. It's really fucked up. Yeah. So, random, did you see that he liked a comment, somebody left on one of his Instagram saying, you should have married Stasi. What? He liked it. He loved it. He loved. liked it. Yeah. Is that not weird? Very weird. I know. That is so creepy. I know. I know. Okay. Let's talk about the Valley. Okay. I just want to tell people, it's getting fucking good.

Yeah. It's getting good. Yes. And even with the first episode, I remember watching the first episode and being like, okay, we're not there yet, but the coming scenes look really good. We had to introduce the new cast members, you know. Yeah. I think the introductions are always like, yes. You know? Because everybody's brand new, but me, Kristen and Jack. Right. So you're like, don't care, don't care. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, invested. I care. I care. Which we knew it was going to be like that. Even like talking to my producers and stuff, they're like, it gets really good. It picks up and, you know. Why do you think Jacks hates Luke so much? They're a lot closer now. But in the beginning, we just were not close and we didn't really know

him. He was going back and forth between Colorado and L.A. He seemed very different than Kristen. I mean, he does. Yeah. But I love him now. You do. Yeah. You think it's going to last. I mean, I hope so. Yeah. You never know. And what's the, like, Kristen and Alex, we hear a lot about this Alex guy. We see him, Jackson invites him to guys. Yeah.

Did you like him? Yeah. So Alex was actually our friend before they started dating. That's why. Everybody's, right? Like, was he also like Katie's friend? Yeah, Schwartz, everybody. Okay.

So he's been around for years and years and years. And that's what Jacks kept saying, like, he's my friend before you guys started dating. So now that you broke up, like, am I supposed to not be his friend anymore? Yeah. So that's why I got what Jack was saying. more than like a viewer watching this show because they don't really realize that like he's always been around. They just have never seen him before. But is there a conflicting? Because on the last episode, we hear like Kristen is saying he's like toxic and all these things. But it sounds like

there's like a different story. There's two sides of stories and the truth. They had definitely had a hard breakup. And I was there for Kristen through all of that. So like for me, like I'm not going to have a party and invite Alex and Kristen at the same time. Right. Like if it was a guy's night and they're out hanging out like who cares yeah christin wasn't around and luke is at that point was just getting started to hang out with the guys like like i said we didn't really know him at that point yeah but now he's a lot closer to everybody so i know it looks weird yeah but like for me i also was like i was around stossy christian rachel like as soon as i came to l.a you know but were you scared to start filming again in general like wait how is this going to affect the relationship our lives like

a little bit a little bit just because And it kind of did, though. Well, I feel like... Or you don't think it's because of the show. I don't think it was because of the show. It got worse after we stopped filming. Like, it, things got worse and we were fighting all the time. Like, it was to the point where he would leave a cabinet open and I was, like, freaking out.

Like, little things like that, just like the it, you know? So bad. Yeah. And it was just, I couldn't do it anymore, you know. I deserve to be happy. You do. You know? You do.

Yeah. And Michelle and Jesse. Mm-hmm. Did they break up because of the show, you think? They were already having their issues. Like, Michelle talks about it on the show. Like, she, even then, like, last October, wanted to separate from him. And then I think, like, having the show also makes you, like, front, like, really head-on face things that you might not in, like, your normal day-to-day.

Yeah. So I think it also just, like, brought out that and, like, how unhappy she was. So how is that going to work out if they're separated and filming and you guys? it's going to be crazy. It's going to be really crazy. I think that they're going to like, they're going to be fully done. Yeah.

Yeah. Whereas you're not sure at all. I'm not really sure, but I don't, I don't see us getting back anytime soon. You don't. Wow, Brittany.

I don't know. He's going to kill me when he watches this. He is. Probably. Yeah, you guys have really different vibes about the separation.

But you're talking. Oh, because you left. Yeah. So he's like what? His ego? Like what's going on? All of it.

All of it. Yeah. But if you say tomorrow, I want to come back home. I just feel like things will go back to exactly how they were. But would he be happy about it? I think so. We don't really like, some days he's like, well, I'm happy. Like, you don't see me crying.

Like, he'll say like mean crap like that. And then other days he's like completely different. He wants me to move back to that. He wants me to move back in the house and live in the main bedroom and him live in the guest bedroom. I'm like, we are not pulling a Tom and Arianna. Oh, he really wants a Tom and Ariana. Yeah. I'm like, that's not happening.

Oh, my God. I'll just keep spending a shit ton of money. on Airbnb's until we figure out what we're going to do. I mean, that's also annoying. Yeah. I mean, because you're half in the house. And I'm still paying for all the bills at my house, house. And then I have Airbnb, too.

Like you're paying half of the bills? No, I pay all the bills. Jacks pays the mortgage. I pay all the bills. Yeah. We have everything very, like, split up. But is your name on that house? Yeah.

Oh, okay. Yep. Yeah, I put down just as much money as Jacks did to buy it. Yeah. So you put down just as much money, but he's paying the mortgage. Right. But I pay all the bills and all the stuff for school and crews and oh wow. Insurance and car and all that. Yeah. Wow. So Zach is on the show. Your bestie. Yeah. He's a bestie from home. Yes. I've known him since college. I used to cheer at E.K.U.

for college. And one of the guys that I cheered with started dating him and we just stayed best friends. So he moved to L.A. kind of for you. He moved to L.A. six months after I did. He took care of me whenever I got my boob job. And are you just as close still? Yes, I love him. And everyone kind of is besties with him now. Yeah, him and Kristen got super close. Yeah.

Yeah. I was like, stop trying to steal my friends. I know. But I mean, I love it. I love it that they're friends. In this last episode, we have some Kristen drama. She was angry that Jack's invited Alex. Alex to date night.

And from there, it's like a quick switch. And she throws Janet under the bus and says, before you started filming, Janet calls. Janet says that Michelle is a racist Republican. Right. From there, everyone's like, that's not even true. No. It was deduced from something else, some bill that she was talking about. Yeah, I think it got like the game of telephone just made it worse and worse and worse as it went along. So why, how do you explain Kristen doing that? Like we talk about she's a veteran, she knows what she's doing. I think she'd go down that path given her history. I think she was so upset about Alex being there that she just like wanted to pop something off so that all the pressure

on her. I don't know why she would think to talk about race at all. Yeah. That's why we're so upset because, like, to bring that up on camera after everything that's happened, it was just kind of like, oh my gosh, like, we know what that could do to somebody. Yeah. And she, even Kristen knows that Michelle isn't like that. So she definitely regrets. Well, she was hurting Michelle. Yeah. She thought she was hurting Janet, probably. Does she have some beef with Janet that we're not saying yet? They all have beef all summer. They all love me. Yeah.

So maybe she was doing it to piss off Janet, but she's actually, like, you know, making her friend Michelle who looks like innocent in this situation and look bad. Yeah. Michelle was kind of like, what is happening? She probably didn't even understand. She didn't understand. It was very, very, very weird. And so with Kristen, do you trust her?

Because she even says on this episode, yeah, I'm a truth teller. I'm in this era. I say everything. I don't give a fuck. And my thing with Kristen was always like, she kind of like you say about yourself right or die like she does give that energy about her friends i feel like me and christin have a lot closer relationship than she had with janet or michelle or anybody like that so i do trust christin like i really do she's been there

for me like so much especially through my separation yeah like she's definitely been there for me so i do i honestly do trust christin yeah you do i don't see her popping off on me like that yeah i really don't you would kill her yeah what does she say like what what what is she saying like what what is she saying in your ear now like is she telling you you should end it for good like what are your friends saying what's your family saying kind of everybody's just like whatever you want to do we have your back like you know they all know the story a lot of people say that i shouldn't go back with him what about your mom she's very she's just worried she's just worried she's around a lot we see her on the so does she live with you guys or she gets to stay with me every august for the

whole month oh so that's just like one month yeah so she got to stay for one month and we happened to film this year. So she was also here last August as well, not on camera. But other than that, how often does she come out? She'll come out normally for Cruz's birthday and like stuff like that. And then I go to Kentucky like four or five times. Oh, you do? Yeah. So, but she gets to see a relationship. Like, she understands. So she's not like, I want something better for my daughter. Oh, yeah. She definitely wants something better. But she also is like, whatever you need. I'm here for you. I support you, whatever. But she understands how I got to where I am. Yeah. She sees it. I know she was, she was there and I was like, I wonder what she is thinking. Yeah, she definitely

sees it. Well, like we talked about, Jacks says he created the show. You were saying he kind did. Can you give us more info on that? Yeah, like, he definitely spearheaded the show. Like, he like went and met up with Alex Baskin and was like, we're ready to come back. Let's do it. Instead of doing the Vanderpump spin off like we were originally going to do, I know it's, they're still calling it a banner pump spin off because of me, Jackson, Kristen. But back in the day. It was supposed to be all of us. Yeah. Before I. everything happened. But now we were like, let's bring fresh people in. These are all our friends for years and years anyway. They just, people, the audience doesn't know them yet. Yeah. And show like

how we are now, what we're going through now. Did these people want to be on TV? I got, that's where I felt like I was like very good at is I went to every single person and like kind of persuaded them to do the show. Yeah. You know, so. I feel like some people probably needed less persuasion. Yeah. Some people were like all for it. Like yeah. Like Zach's like, let's do it. Yeah. Jasmine's been in reality TV before. so she was like pretty excited but you know there was times whenever I had to be like this would be worth it like it's going to be a good show yeah we were like at the beginning it was like it's going to be like about family and it's going to be like oh we're going to be very grown up and yeah I honestly did not think we would have as much drama as we ended up yeah like for real for real

does does jack still have the I'm the number one guy in the group energy does yeah but they give him shit which is nice yeah like they're not like letting him have it, even though he is like an OG and whatever. Yeah. I think I've definitely outgrown the number one. Like, I feel like I am the one who actually brings the whole group together. Yeah. You know, and my friends will even say that.

Yeah. People like you more, obviously. Like, people like you more. I just think I'm always the one trying to keep everybody together. Do you think Lala and Sheena will eventually? I would so be down if they did. They both moved to the valley recently. They moved to the valley.

Yeah. So, like, do you think? one day like maybe that the valley would be a better home for them. I mean like the valley the show. Yeah. I would be down for it. Yeah. You know, but right now it's like I'm glad that everybody's getting to know all these other people too. Right. Because they're doing a great job. They are doing a great job. I mean, they're showing therapies and like the inside, the inside of their life and everything. What I was wondering the most about Jacks when thinking about everything that's happening and obviously the question of like you forgave him. How did you say I want like what I want to know is like what

do you love about him that we're missing, that we're like, no, no, no, I don't, no, I don't. I don't. What are we missing that is key? We know all the reasons. Like, everyone wouldn't judge you at all for leaving. Right. They're like, we get it. Yeah. You're, you put up with this for so long. What are we, what it's a good stuff that, that you love about him. He just has always been my best friend. Like, we laugh and we have so much fun together. And this is hard to say right now because everything he does right now is driving me insane. But in the good parts of our marriage, we just, like, we love to do a lot of the same things. We, you know, it was just always, like, so fun. He cracks me up.

And I was, like, very, to me, like, laughter and having fun together is so important in a relationship. And then once things started, like, dwindling and we were barely having even the laughter anymore. I was like, what am I doing? But, I mean, there was more to him than that. Like, he actually has a bigger heart than a lot of people know. Like, he can be, like, an amazing friend. He's a great father. he's really, really good with Cruz

and he loves him so much. It just kind of gets overshadowed about all the other dumb crap he does. In the previews, we see a pregnancy test. Were you trying for baby number two? Yes, yeah. You were.

I was definitely wanting to have another baby the summer. And him and Jacks? He was. Like, we had it all planned out. You'll see it more on the show. But, like, we had it all planned out that we were going to start trying

at the end of the summer. And the bar, all kinds of things. happen and you know we I don't know how much I could say because I don't want to ruin like the story but it was definitely he definitely kind of like flipped a script on me a little bit and that really upset me well people are speculating as you know the speculators they fucking get on to shit really easy so they're people are speculating that that might have been like one of the breaking yeah that you really wanted another I mean he was still like down I guess but it was just like not happening like we were we're not even like intimate

with each other. So how are we going to have a baby? Are you taking the pressure off yourself there? I mean, now that you're separated, like, are you like, I'm not going to worry about second baby right now. No, I'm not going to worry about it right now. I just turned 35. I still, like, I still feel like I have time. You do. And, you know, whether he's the dad or I'm with somebody else, who knows? I mean, we were seeing Lala, bring babies to this world. Spurn donor. Like, hey, like, if I really want to, I can. right but don't make that be the driving force behind you know staying or no no no definitely not like that's that that's not important to me right now cruz is like my main focus yeah so how old is you now he'll be three april 12th so it's almost his birthday yeah i can't believe it i know you share him

a little bit not like a ton yeah do you how do you feel about like sharing kids like your kids on social media like i'll always like manage his account and stuff. Like, he's not going to have control. Oh, there's an account. I forgot. Oh, yeah. He's got like 200,000 followers. Wait, that's how we found. Didn't we find out his name before? How did he know his name? Tom Schwartz made Moos for everybody and posted it and it cruises had cruising on it. And our said like Mama and Dadda or something. And he posted it not thanking and people of course called it. Were you upset about that? We were upset. Yeah. Because it was our first baby. Like that stuff is like private to us. And we wanted to be the ones to be the ones to be able to be able to to share it. He sent me flowers and everything.

He felt so bad. I know. He didn't even like think about it like that because he just thought he was posting like the little moo-moo. And I was like, but it literally said cruising. Dudes wouldn't understand. Like I know, I know he was like in it. Like I don't think he did it like on purpose by any means. Yeah. But yeah, that was a whole thing. So you're you're okay with sharing crews on social media and like as people can be like annoying about kids too. Yeah. Oh, I've people like.

already say stuff about Cruz because he's like has a speech delay and I've been super open about that because I also feel like as a mom and like I've got this platform like I want to share my experience and help other women that are going through it because I never thought I would go through something like that you think everything's just going to be perfect you know so we're in speech therapy occupational therapy he's in school now like you know you share about that and what people still criticize people just don't they're just like why is he talking or this or this or that. Or they try to diagnose them or something.

Yeah, they try to diagnose them from their armchairs. And that is like super annoying. Right. Because he's in everything that he should be in. And he's an amazing little kid. He's super smart. Even though he's not talking much, like he is incredibly smart.

Yeah. So, you know, but I just like to share those things because I know other women are going through it too. Yeah. Something you don't expect. Right. And every kid really does develop so differently.

Yeah. So that's good that you're sharing that. The tough part too is that we all had kids together. So they're all constantly compared to. each other, and that could be weird. Who else is the same age as Cruz? Dossi's daughter, Hartford, Summer, Summer, Sheena's daughter, and Ocean Lawlaws.

Oh, they're all fucking same age. Yeah. Probably, though, girls do do advance way faster than boys. Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay, you were in Malibu with Ariana's brother. Yes. There are rumors that he hasn't talked to Ariana in months. Is there anything you can say about that?

I think those rumors are true. Yeah. I'm not sure what's really going on. there. I didn't really get to talk to Ariana about it last night. She's been so busy. Yeah. But I think that there's something going on there and they have like a little riff, but their brother and sister. They'll get like Scandival aside. Yeah. Not Scandival. No, no, no, no. But they'll get, they'll be fine. They're, they're family. And regarding Ariana in that sense, like, do you sense, because you're not in Vanderpump anymore? You're like a, you're looking from the

outside. Right. Do you think that the girls can genuinely be happy for her success or like it'll always be meddled with like jealousy because you're all doing the same thing you're you all kind of want the same things and she's getting she's getting it right now i mean i think it's obvious there's a little bit of jealousy going on in that show yeah i mean i'm definitely happy for her and i know that they're all happy for her i think that everybody's just like well why did why is it this happening to me you know type of god i saw the meanest april fools you guys that was like somebody did like a photoshop tm z that china is going to be on dancing with the stars i know and And I believed it for a second.

And I was like, that's so mean. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, like, Sheena, for instance, she's definitely happy for Ariana, but there's not, you know, you can still be happy for somebody and want to do those things, too. I remember when Stasi was on the show, you know, and I remember being at, like, BravoCon. And people would always openly talk about, like, well, Stasi's the most famous or Stasi's, like, you know, the most followed or the, I was like, how are people saying, that would piss me off as a cast member at the end of the day, you're an ensemble and everyone.

wants like to be you know loved and everything yeah so so that's why i also think about that i'm like there's no way it's just pure like we're just happy for her like you know there has to be a lot of jealousy involved i mean i'm sure yeah i'm sure there is yeah and la la's the only one that kind of you know goes out and says it yeah and says and says like not only the the good stuff yeah well i know that they've also been upset because people say things behind the scenes and then don't. And then don't say it on the camera. So I think that's been an issue all season long for them on Banderpun. Love breaking the fourth wall. Yeah. I mean, La La La is super open about it. And after show and everything, like, she like, rise them. I know. That's why whatever, the thing that

I say about Law the most is like, even when she's wrong, like, you still love her. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, she could be so wrong. She could be like hypocritical in a moment. And you're like, well, you're right. You know when you're wrong. You're right. So Katie and Stasi used to be so close with them. They kind of step away from the friendship a little bit. Did they come back around with the separation? Did they check in on you? Neither one of them has reached out to me. No.

Why would there be like beef like that between you? There's definitely not. Like if I see Sossie or Katie, like we're fine. Like we'll talk and we like we'll give each other a hug and all this. But like it's not like reaching out to me or anything. But what? Like what happened? I have no idea. I mean, I know that we didn't go to Stossi's wedding and that was like a big deal. But Katie, absolutely no reason why she wouldn't be talking to me. Like, we've never had an argument, never had a fight.

Do you think Katie just took, I mean, Katie is like, yeah, on this season, she's like riding for Ariana and fighting with Lala. Do you think she just because of Stasi's wedding? I think because of that. And I think that she doesn't like Jax either. So I think Jax was a big wedge in between me and Stacey and Katie. Yeah. Well, I hope you all become friends again.

Oh, yeah. I still love them, especially like I miss Sossi a lot. You do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you regret not going in the wedding? That was a huge part between me and Jacks that like nobody knows about like it. We won't like it was bad.

Yeah. It was bad. Oh yeah. Why didn't he want to go? He's Jacks. He didn't just on purpose like a thing. Like I mean there was there was other circumstances that happened like yeah. My son's passport didn't come in in time.

My mom's best friend's husband passed away so she had to fly back anyway. There was like a lot of different things because she was coming with me to Italy. My mom was to watch the cruise. So Cruz could come. Yeah. So there was like a lot of different things that actually happened. But Jacks was like messing things up. Like writing in group chats and like Stasi and Bo were in them and like they were finding out about it.

And like I had no. Was he jealous? Like what was going on? But like I had no idea he was doing that. So then like to them it looks like me and Jacks are planning on not coming and this and that. But like I had no idea Jacks was doing those things. So I think Jacks just put a big wedge in between everybody. Do you regret not going?

Oh, for sure. Now, I was so, Cruz was so young still, but I had never left him. Like you wouldn't have left him with your mom at home and gone by yourself. Well, because it was like 14, it was like a long, like eight, eight to 14 days or something. I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was like, now I know that he would have been fine and I could have went. But at that time, like, I had never left him by myself.

Yeah. So it was just like, I can't leave him. Yeah. You know, but now I would be fine going. Well, let's make you. Well, let's make you. You and Stasi become friends again. that's important to you. No, because it's stupid to not be friends over something like that,

especially if like this is another situation where Jack's, it's his fault. Exactly. It's all his fault. Brenny, you're the best. Thank you. And I really wish you all the best and know that everyone supports you and wants the best for you. And you're hot and beautiful and a great person. And you deserve somebody great. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny, but Not Fat. on Instagram at not skinny but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocharoo. Thank you guys so much for listening and I'll see you

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