Not Skinny But Not Fat - Charlotte Lawrence on Songwriting, Daisy Jones, & Growing Up in the Industry

Episode Date: April 25, 2023

I’d like the Lawrence family to adopt me please! On todays episode I talk to Charlotte Lawrence who’s not only the daughter of television creator Bill Lawrence & actress Christa Miller but she’s also a model, a really talented musician, and will be on our television screens pretty soon too! We discuss the songwriting process (bc literally how?) what she thought about Daisy Jones, growing up with famous parents and more! Produced by Dear Media This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking to show with your best friends in your living room. Oh, my God. Thank you for coming on. I'm part of the family. I don't know if you know. My parents are obsessed with you. I told them that I was doing this. And they're like, oh, my God. You're like, I know, I saw your episode. She's rad. Oh, my God. They're so cool. So Charlotte Lawrence is on the show today.

Thank you for coming on. You're so cool. That is a cool room, though. Is that your studio? My boyfriend's, like, home studio. It's awesome, though. But this wallpaper, my mom found in one of her favorite restaurants in New York, and we had it in our bathroom.

And he stole it from her. So it's a little slice of home. Is that? Are those tiger, zebras? They're zebras. There's zebras. I love them. It's my favorite wallpaper ever, and I bought loafers and had them customized.

I have the same print on them. I don't know why I have an obsession with this wallpaper. Oh, my God. Why do you have an obsession with them? Yeah, I just love it. It was because it reminded me at home. My mom had this wallpaper in our house since I was a baby. So I just, I love it.

And your mom and your boyfriend are like so close. I saw she did one of her shrinking music episodes. She's upset with them? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's so cool. She has loved not all of my boyfriends and loves Andrews so much. They're really close and it's sweet because they have their own relationship, Andrew and both my parents separately from me because he's just a cool guy and he's funny and he's smart and talented and they they mesh well together. They love each other. It's really great. Everyone loves them. So you're also like a model. So you're a singer and oh my God, you're a talented musician. Your music is so good and you're going to do a little acting. But you did like model.

too, right? Yeah. That was kind of my first thing I did. I loved music forever since I've been a kid, but the first, like, job I worked at, I'd say, is modeling. I did all the castings and went around. I lived in New York. I lived in Paris. I hustled and I loved it. And it was very fun. Wow. And you're over it. You're saying it like it's the past. So you're like, I did it. I lived it. I'm 22 now. I'm done. I'm not over it. It's more so just music is my passion, is my number. one and I love acting too. I love I love all forms of entertainment I guess I love like being able to I don't know make art out of anything and music modeling and acting it's all forms of art you know and it was it's very fun to be creative in that sense but I still model I I'll model for

YSL obviously whatever they want me to do I'm there of course you guys are the clues for I never but I don't I don't model as intensely as I did when I was younger I'm not like going to open castings and, you know, waiting in line for five hours to get a meeting. I would if it was something awesome, but I just, music is such a priority. And now acting is so fun and interesting that I'm more so doing, you know, focusing on music 100% of the time. And then when I can do a cool self-tape for a cool thing, I will put my all into it. And when YASL asked me to do something cool modeling, I'll put my all into it.

But I'm just not doing it as intensely as I was when I was younger. Because I wasn't yet, I didn't, I wasn't yet releasing music. I was just modeling and going for it. And I loved it. I had a really great experience. So your first EP was 2018, right? Which you were like, what? 18?

Yeah. You baby, except you're not a big, I'll tell you what, it's weird because I feel like you come across, you're probably told this a lot, like you come across so mature and like wiser than your age. So you don't. But are you telling me I look old? you look so old no you are gorgeous it's like probably correct me if I'm wrong it's probably from like growing up the way you did no like you grew up with two parents like I think I saw

you say this in an interview like your dad who's bill Lawrence and like created amazing shows is like funny and would say like really kind of grown up funny shit at home when you were younger and stuff right yeah I mean I think growing up in L.A. general, especially for a young woman, you're bound to grow up fast. But I was blessed with parents that were cool and would have fun parties and fun dinners and have the best humors and would always kind of shape me into who I am today in regards to getting it, if that makes sense. They would always have really awesome, creative, funny people over from writers to musicians to all sorts of just awesome people and I was like the only kid there and the you know the whole thing was

if I wasn't cool if I couldn't hang I'd have to go to bed early so I would have to be you know an adult and and be interesting and read the room and not be too forward not be too kid like so that I could stay up past my bedtime and it was so much fun but yeah I think it definitely gave me a more maybe mature standpoint from a young age but I still have my childlike quality as everybody does, you know? I'm still very, a lot of ways. But, yeah, it was awesome. The way I grew up was awesome.

It really comes across in, like, everything that I kind of seem to talk about, like, how much, which, like, my fucking kids better be the same way about me. But, like, how much you respect your parents and, like, appreciate them and talk about them as cool. Do you know, like, how that's probably, like, a parent's dream to be called cool by their kid? That's so cute. I mean, probably. it wasn't always like this though I you know everybody goes through a phase and I went through my like rebellious crazy phase probably from 15 to 17 where I was like oh I'm gonna do whatever I want I'm not gonna listen I'm gonna lie and sneak out and I'm not gonna talk to them and they're not cool and they don't get it because they want me to come home at midnight and I'm gonna knock them home at midnight and I'm gonna do whatever I want and then I grew up and I was like oh wait no my parents are really cool and they were just being protective and good parents and I was being crazy and I was being crazy and

now we're best friends and I love them. They are so cool though. You know, I know. It's just like cool people. If they weren't my parents, I'd want them to be my best friends, you know? Oh my God. Stop being so fucking cute about them. My God, you're going to make me feel like an awful.

No, but your dad is also like gushing about you. I mean, you see it in his Instagram posts for you. And I mean, he's always, he'll even like send me links sometimes about you. he's so cute he's my dadager he's he's my chris jenner he is your chris jenner oh do you know what's so funny you would

appreciate this so you know how do your parents had the easter party recently where you went i'm assuming we had the best time it's the one party that we're all forced to go to no matter what and we'll be in huge trouble don't show up and then like you know zach raff was there and scrubs people whatever and and i guess you know a lot of my followers kind of started following more along with your with your parents since the show and I got so many messages being like, oh my God, like I think I want an invite to this more than the Kardashian Christmas party. I was like, whoa, this is a statement. Like this is, this is big. The Easter party is so much fun. It's the one party my parents throw a year. We'll have like occasional bar nights or birthdays like small groups people,

but this is the one like big fun party my parents have thrown for, I don't even know. how long probably 14 years since I've been a baby and it's just so much fun it's there's there's people to watch the kids there's like a petting zoo and and it's all you know humane and great and the animals are treated very nicely and and they're all loved and an art section and an easter egg hunt so all the kids go off and just play watch and then all the adults there's two bars and an omelet bar and so much food and all the adults just start drinking at 10 in the morning. And we just have so much fun. It's just like a party.

But it's Easter. It looked like so much fun. When I got those messages like people saying they want to go to that more than Kardashian Christmas party, it's like you know that looks like a good party. Oh, much fun. Okay. So your mom is a music supervisor, which I just, you know, kind of realize what that is. recently when she started posting about the the shrinking music, is that kind of part of what shaped

your love for music and you getting music and cool music? Oh my gosh, 100%. I mean, I, so neither of my parents can sing and they can't play any instruments. So I grew up, you know, moderately different in the sense of I came out of the womb singing and wanting to sing and take piano lessons. Everyone was like, what is, who is this girl? But I, my mom, has the best music taste ever and would only ever play me the coolest music from when I was a kid. Like, we skipped the whole, you know, cartoon music, whatever it was SpongeBob songs. And it went straight to like Joni Mitchell and the Beatles and Damien Rice and Boni Vare and all just like really awesome singer-songwriter style music. And obviously my dad is a writer and is an incredible writer.

So I know that I got my songwriting passion from him. And I think I got my cool music taste for my mom. And my mom inspired me with the music that she played me and how passionate she was about the music, how much she loved the music and how much music shaped just our everyday life like on a normal basis in the car ride, at home, a dinner playlist, breakfast playlist, the whole thing. It made me want to be a musician. It made me want to sing and learn how to play these songs and give people that same

feeling that I got and that my mom got from listening to music. So I definitely, they're why I came, I got into music. shaped my whole, you know, being, I guess, as a musician, but they could not sing or do anything. So they were definitely like, who is this? And neither to my grandparents. Nobody was a singer or was a instrumentalist. No one. So everyone was like, who, what is going on? I know she looked. I wonder how, like, do you remember discovering your voice and being like, oh, like I'm thinking of like the scene from the mermaid? Like, when she like opens her mouth, like, how do you realize that you can sing? Do you remember? Well, well, okay, this will sound a little pretentious, but it's the truth. I, for some

reason, since I've been a kid, when I listen to a song, I only hear, or not only, but I first and foremost, always hear, it's just a natural, weird thing in my brain, the highest part of the song. So in any song that would be playing to me, that my mom would be playing to me, I would first hear the harmony. So my automatic instinct, when I was like five, six years old, was was to sing the harmony and harmonize along with a song. And I don't know what it is in my brain that I just would hear like the highest. Even if it was so quiet in the mix, I would still just hear the highest vocal,

the highest, like, part of it, the highest register. And I'd sing along. And my mom, when we were in car rides and I was like in my little car seat, it was like, is my fucking six year old like harmonizing right now? And it was song. Like how does you know even how to do that or like what that is?

And I think kind of realized that I could sing and I wanted to do it. But I still have that. If I listen to a song, I'll sing the highest part, like accidentally. It's very strange, but it's, it's awesome and I love it. But it's, it's like a weird, I don't know, the weird thing. It's like a superpower. It's a superpower.

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I mean, as we know, like, not all singers that we love write their own songs. Is that something that's, like, important to you? It's the most important thing to me, honestly. I think that, well, how I started was I got my mom to give me, or not give me herself, but get me piano lessons when I was like. like five, six years old and took them until I was probably 13, 14. And Jamie, my piano instructor or piano teacher, was so wonderful and so cool and hip. She would do like 40 minutes of a classical song and I'd have to, you know, do the Beethoven

and learn how to play classically and do the whole music theory. And then the last 20 minutes would be I get to choose whatever song I want that I loved that day. and she would teach me how to play it and how to sing it. And it would be like, okay, first 40 minutes is, you know, the boring stuff. And then the last 20 minutes, you get to do whatever you want. And you get to pick a song of your choosing. And it made me want to write my own music immediately. And I started singing, obviously, and I started with piano.

And then I think I wrote my first song when I was like 13 or something. But as I grew older, I don't know why. It was just like embedded in my brain that to be a musician I needed to write as well. is probably because all my favorite musicians growing up were songwriters, first and foremost. And I just think it's, I think that my favorite music, I mean, I, dude, I respect artists who are just fantastic performers and fantastic singers and dancers, but don't write their own music. Like, that's awesome. And I have nothing against it. I think it's rad. I think it's a whole, you know, different style of entertainment and it's awesome. But for me personally, I always felt like I had something to say and I wanted to say it, I guess. I, I, I, I think that there's a million beautiful voices, and there are, especially now with TikTok, we get to see all of them all the time. There's a million beautiful voices, but I think that what makes you different from the next is what you're talking about. And if you are bringing something new to the table, I guess, not even new, just like personal. And being honest in my

songwriting is my favorite thing. And it's something that I'm really confident about my songwriting and being able to be authentic and vulnerable and dive in and share with, you know, my audience who I am and what I believe and what I feel and what I go through and realize that it's, you know, there's a lot of mirrors and there's a lot of people that relate to it. So I just, I love songwriting. It's my favorite part of music is getting to write the actual song. I love saying, but songwriting is like, it's my. That's so cool. How does it start? Is it like you doodling it and then you sit with like a group of people and then you kind of talk about well now I'm just thinking did you watch Daisy Jones yeah what do you think it was realistic I love the show I love cammy

she's so incredible and I thought it was so awesome for her to do this role and she just killed it and she's such a phenomenal actress and like deserves to be the biggest actress in the world so I want her to get there oh that's so sweet I was like how are you so beautiful and also so talented. You're a loud one. Yeah. Same with Riley Kiyo, though. And Suki, they're all, all the girls. I mean, all the guys were amazing to you, but all the girls stood out for me. Riley Kio is going to be the, have the most massive career after this. Like, she just was in. She is a star. And I like that they cast Suki as like, they just cast everybody perfectly. Suki was like the perfect.

That's who she is on her. I was going to say Suki was Suki. It worked and it was amazing. all the girls were incredible. I love the show. But the writing was was realistic, especially the, I mean, I can't speak for everybody. It's, everyone writes differently, but especially that first, the time of them first writing the song, I thought was a good accurate depiction of like what it's like to write a song with somebody new for the first time. What you mean when they were getting like all fucked up and they were getting all fucked up and they couldn't think of anything and she was going swimming in the pool and they were fighting and yelling and then they'd come together and figure out something. I mean, it was obviously dramatized because they had. had this whole like weird tension and connection to each other but when I write a song with a new person it either you walk in and it's like okay I have an idea already where I was playing this thing last night let's dive in and then you write a song in like 30 minutes or you go in you talk for five hours you get food you take a break you play along you this and that and it takes the whole day and then you come up with an amazing song at the end there's a different process for everything but I always try to whenever I feel creative in any regard whether it's at 11 a.m.

or two in the morning and I want to play guitar or I have a guitar record in my head or I have a little line that I love like I will always utilize it I guess I'll always exercise it I'll always write down everything in my phone and my notes if I write when I think of it or if it's two in the morning I'm tired but I have this thing in my head I'll play it I'll record it I always try to jot down all my ideas because I want to either finish them on my own or make them into something, bring them to somebody in a session. I just, I don't know. My brain kind of works in like, oh, oh, that song is so cool. I like that bass note. But what if I, what if I took that like baseline and made it into my own melody and made it completely separate and was inspired by

blah? I don't know. So do you always write a song with the actual music in mind? Or could it sometimes be just like you're writing the words and the story, but there's no idea of like what it would sound like? Well, definitely, you never know what it's going to sound like because of production, you know, it can take a complete turn. You can turn a slow song into an upbeat one or an upbeat one back to a slow one, whatever it may be. But I definitely, when I write, I have melodies in mind. I normally start with either like melodies first of just like playing guitar and I'll just be like do do do and like speak gibberish and then put words to that of what I feel and what I what's on my mind type of thing or I'll start with words then sing the melody

and then like make them kind of fit but I normally will hear just like the notes and the melodies and like the base of the song type of thing not not the whole structure it takes me a second once I put it down and sing it and it's fully written and you have like okay vocals lyrics one instrument, guitar, chords, whatever it may be, then I can kind of start hearing, oh, this could be a really fun, like, sad disco song, or this should be a synthy, like depressing, whatever song. Like, I can kind of put it into words of what I want,

but I also put a lot of trust and faith in the people that I work with. I only work with the most talented, like, coolest, kindest, incredible people. So I trust their opinions always, and I'm open to everything. I love collaboration. And if they're like, oh, this song that you thought was the ball, should actually be like your most up-tempo pop song. I'm like, great, go for it.

So tell me how body bag became what it is. It's such a good song. I don't want to try and sing it right now, but it's playing in my head in a really good voice. I'm just saying. It's playing in your voice in my head, but it's so good. So tell me about the process for that.

It just recently came out, what, like a week or two ago? Yeah, like two weeks ago. I don't even know what month it is, honestly. Was it? How stressful was that when it like dropped? It was stressful because I just loved the song so much. But it was stressful leading up to it and then I just felt bliss after the fact.

But writing that song was so awesome and so weird because this was my first session with these musicians and these producers. And it was so just like random and we didn't know each other. We'd never work together before. And I remember texting my managers beforehand being like, I'm not feeling it today. Like I'm having a sad day. And I just want to get back in bed. Like, we cancel. And they were like, Charlotte, like, that's so unprofessional.

You cannot cancel an hour before. And I was like, I know. I just wanted to say it out loud and see if maybe they wanted to cancel too. Like, you know, just like to try to find your little way. But they were like, dude, use it. Like, just go and write. And it'll be over within a day. Like, why not, why you want to go back and get into bed and just be like depressy?

Like, no, and just go do your shit. And I walked in and immediately these guys were so kind. and so wonderful and so welcoming and I saw like a wild cat outside and it was a cat but it was like a big cat and I was like oh my god I want to play with the cat they're like we don't that's not our cat be careful with the cat and I walked up to it and I was like kitty like you miss me friends and it scratched me and scratched my legs and I got I was bleeding everywhere scratching and I was like I'm going to go inside and we're going to write very quickly so I can leave and then we got inside and I ended up talking to them for like two hours and it was a full therapy session I am immediately felt just so trustworthy towards these guys and they just made me feel so comfortable in sharing my own story and not they just like let me be free and let me dump on them honestly and use them as my therapists and as we were talking and I was kind of like getting us out and telling them what has been going on then and the past few weeks the aiden who's so talented to start playing these like very simple piano chords and I would be telling the story and I'd be like oh we should that minor nose really nice or like he'd be playing it like go to the a there go to that and then i'd be like and then he did this and then she did that and and it kind of just came together so naturally that by the time i was done with the story we already had like most of the song and then we just sat down and literally knocked it out i think in like 30 something minutes like so quick so easy it just

came so naturally it we all were on the same page because they knew exactly what i was feeling and the place that i was in and what i wanted to write about and they were inspired by it as well and we just like immediately all latched on and wrote my favorite song ever in like in a short amount of time but that was also so nice because we spent the first few hours just connecting with each other and understanding each other and getting to know each other and then wrote this song and I remember leaving and just being like I don't even I don't even remember what we made because a lot of times when you do a session with somebody you don't get a bounce per se because you know you'll record it and then they work on it a little bit and

make it listenable and then they send it to you and you get to hear it a few days later sometimes it's day of but i like it better if the producer can dive in just a smidgen so that i don't hear it and be like i need my voice to sound better and i need to go redo everything you know i like it to be a little cleaned up before i first hear it and i didn't remember what we wrote per se i think because we were so in it and we was so quick i was just like i left and i was like what just happened like that was i they're going to be my friends forever but i have no idea what we just made and like a week later I got sent the song and I was like, oh my God, this is my favorite song ever. I'm so proud of it. And I sent it to all my friends and all my, you know, best friends that are like my music

confidants and my parents. And everybody loved it. And I was like, okay, I didn't need the validation because I already love it myself and feel, you know, self-validated just by like being proud of it. But it was also very nice to hear that all my favorite people and my loved ones whom I trust music tastes very well. That did not make any sense. That was the worst grammar ever. But you know what I'm saying. You can pick up what I'm putting down.

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you can write about the same shit or the same person a million times and make different things. But I don't know. It was very, it was such a fulfilling feeling to be able to write about that heartbreak for the first time. Because I was so in it for so long, and especially COVID, I mean, as everybody knows, when you feel something shit and then you have to just sit in it and be alone and sit in the pain and not be able to do anything.

It just like it just magnifies it to such an extreme. And I feel like I was in just not a great place for a long time. And when I finally got out and started being able to, you know, turn that pain into art and make it into something I feel proud of, it was just such a fulfilling and healing feeling. It made me, it made me work through my shit on a, a different level than I was working through it with my therapist because obviously therapy is so important. Everybody should go to therapy. But there's something about putting my feelings into my songwriting and then getting to listen to it back and be like, oh, I went through that. That sucked.

But like, oh, my God, I got something great out of it. There's not just all negatives. Like, I got something beautiful out of this thing that really hurt me. And that's so cool. And it made me feel just awesome. So, yeah. And also probably singing it, I would imagine, feels cathartic. Like, then you could really get your emotions into it. It does. I mean, definitely, when I was first singing it, like, I would, I played it at a governor's ball for the first time, I think. And probably at the end of 2021, I don't remember when that was. It was like the first one after COVID.

And it was, it was hard to sing it for the first time. It was still really painful. It was still really fresh. But the more I sang it and the more I got comfortable with the song and listened to it and mixed it and had to listen to it and had to listen to it. million times. I felt less, I guess, pain from it on a connection level. I didn't, I didn't, every time I hear it, I didn't want to crumble up. I just felt more pride, you know, as time went on. I just felt more, like, excited about it than, than hurt by it. And now when I play it, I still get that immediate emotional connection. And it, like, it draws me in, but I'm smiling. You know,

it's making me go, oh, my God, look what you made out of something that hurt you. And like, yeah, it's a reminder, but it's a good reminder of everything. Everything's on a pendulum. Everything has its ups and downs. Everything bad that happens, there will be something good that happens after, even though I know it's a cliche and I know it's also like there's some things that happen that are just so horrible to the most undeserving people and they don't, you know, deserves that feel that pain and it feels like that it's something that, you know, has no positives or no blessings or no gold on the other side or but there always is you know there's always life that's what life is it's filled with like jabbing you and the fucking gut and then giving you flowers you know and it's i i don't know i just i believe very

strongly in karma and then also like everything that happens it's bad you can find the good in it and it can it can get better and it always will get better so it's just like that's my reminder it's very positive i have a very positive connection towards the song versus good you're not thinking of actually like being in a body bag no i mean catch me performing it with a glass of white and i'm crying so does i always wonder when people write songs about people i mean it's also like taylor swift right does the the person a hundred percent know it's about them yeah okay does the person reach out and say like are you like did you have to do that no okay one i mean it's about two people

you know, I mean, I think every relationship song, there's always two sides, probably more to a story. And they both know it's about them. But yeah, my opinion is, dude, if you're going to do something, then to a songwriter, I mean, I think Taylor Swift, like, expect to be written about, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not just going to not write about it. Yeah. So in this, in the song, there's so many, like, cutting lines. One of them is my father said your piece of shit. My friend, Leah thought you're a narcissist, something like that, right? Is Leah really your friend? Like, you have a friend, Leah? Leah is one of my best friends. She was my mom's assistant when I was like, and maybe, I don't know, when she started 11, 12, something. And this is such a random side note,

but I love side notes. I was like, I was a little fuck when I was a kid. And I went to, I went to first the school called Harvard Westlake and then I transferred to Marymount. And when I went to Marymount, I was in all-girls school. I would wear like sweat. It was like a nice proper Catholic school that you had to wear a proper uniform. And I would wear my uniform, but I'd wear sweatpants underneath it and like a gross ripped up sweater over it. And I would not brush my hair to save my life. And a part of like what I, so, I was so young, but I would make Leah do is I'd come home and she'd see that if you went like this, my entire head would come with me. I would not brush my hair. I just refused. I was like, I don't want to do it. I'm not

going to do it. I don't want to brush my hair. And Leah would sit like the angel she was for like three hours and brush through my hair. So I didn't have to like shave it all off. Because my mom would be like, we're shaving your head. You can't, you have to start brushing your hair. We're not doing the same more. And Leo was like, no, let me, let me brush it through. I got it. And through that we just bonded. And she had, she's my, I don't even know. It's like best friend doesn't cut it. She's my sister, my. Does she still work for the family or no? She's so awesome. She left to become a teacher and she worked with special needs kids and became a shadow and then went to, that's a, not a shadow, you know, a shadow is like a term of like she would specialize with like specific kids and go to school with nanny teacher, extraordinary. And now works at an awesome, incredible mental health startup and it has a huge job there. And it's really important and they're helping the world in so many ways. She's just like so cool. She's so kind. she's so good for the planet and just like the best human everybody that I've ever introduced

her to falls in love with her immediately she's so special and so incredible she knew it she knew he was a narcissist yeah she's also like when I say if you're texting me and we're in a little tiff or we're having a little problem you're not just texting me the reason why my responses are so well crafted and intricately just smart and beautiful it's because Leah is right next me She knows my boyfriends and ex-boyfriends and friends and ex-friends better than I know them. You know, she's just like she's my right arm. I don't know how to like describe her. She's my everything.

I love her so much. And everybody loves her. She's in the, she's in our family forever. Was she super like honored to be in the song? Yeah. It's her favorite thing ever. She loves it. When I first played it first, she's like, oh, my God, you say my name.

It's like when Miley was like my best friend. What was that Miley song where she, remember when Miley Cyrus had that friend she did the YouTube show with? No. What? I have no. I was not kept up. Oh my God. You were not right.

Because also like you were probably. And also you don't listen to like top hits because you're too cool. I listen to, I listen to top hits and I was younger for sure. I was like, I was obsessed with Disney for 100%. I love Disney. I loved all those shows. I loved Wazers Waverly Place. I loved Hannah Montana.

I loved all those fucking shows. And I loved Nick. I loved victorious. Like I was, I got in the Disney phase. But I just never got into YouTube. I was never like a YouTube girlie. I would watch music videos, but that's it.

I only started like the past two years watching like makeup tutorials and ASMR YouTube things. Like it's a very world for me. But I love it. I think I've talked about this before that like doing something with your partner with your friends is. more fun than just going out to eat. You know, you always go out to eat. No, no, no. Let's have some fun. So this is my idea for you the next time you want to do something. Top golf. Okay. Super cool.

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female, season two just came out. It's about Samantha Fink. She started from the bottom now she's here. Or she's somewhere in the middle. It's from the executive producer of girls. You know it's good because girls is so freaking good. There's a new season of single drunk female. It's on free form. and Hulu. So Sam is like 500 days sober and counting. Things are looking up. This is the first birthday that she's looked forward to in forever. Even if she's spending her party hiding from everyone in a closet. She's living with her overbearing mom still. She's trying to hold on to her not so dream job, writing the most important listicles on the internet. By the way, that used to be my dream job. And knocking on her ex's door at 2 o'clock in the morning, never a good look. So single drunk

female is being called a next level flea bag. It's being called refreshingly, your phase by Refinery 29 and Sophia Black Delia is just literally a total on screen babe and you will absolutely fall in love with her and it's about your 20s and how they can be wild and complicated but being sober in your 20s is even more so so free form single drunk female season two is out now all episodes are out now on Hulu 500 days sober and counting things are looking up single drunk female all episodes are out now on hulu there was another really great story that i heard you tell about like ed shiren getting you your first guitar he's awesome would that be a dream for you first of all like tell us a story but also tell me if it would be like a dream to well you could

like get he bought you a guitar we could get his number you know we could text him we could we could get Leah to craft like a, like a, let's do a song together. I mean, fun fact about him is he doesn't have a cell phone. He uses email and he changes his email frequently. But he's, he's just so cool. He's so awesome. I met him when I was a kid. I mean, I grew up in such an insane way.

I had such a crazy childhood. No, it's, I know how lucky I am truly and how fucking insane my childhood was. Honestly, it was so, I was so just blessed. and to be surrounded by such incredible people and such creative people. It was just like, it was a dream, honestly. And when I was a kid, my mom and dad were working on this show called Cougartown. And they, every Sunday, would get together with the cast. And it started as these like, just, you know, dinners and fun nights.

And it was like, they'd kind of celebrate their week. And it soon became from just the interior crew of, you know, the writers and the friends and the and whatever started like all other people's friends were coming and cool creative people and artists and musicians and it turned into what my mom and Courtney called Hootnannies and it would be like at Courtney's house in Malibu on Sunday nights she had this beautiful piano and a drum set and guitars and like all just these instruments in this beautiful room and everybody would go over to her house I was the youngest one there with her daughter we were like this. I love cocoa with my own view it. And we would kind of hide in the corner because we were the only

kids. Obviously, we couldn't drink. We couldn't like join along in the adult festivities. But we could just watch with like our jaws dropped and our eyes wide as our favorite musicians and the coolest people would just sing and play. And it was just so special and so magical. And I don't even know how it started. I mean, I know how it started. I don't even know how it like came into this incredible thing. But every Sunday for so long, for so many years, it would just be like, the coolest, kindest, artistic, creative, funny people and musicians that would just go and play and play whatever they wanted and everybody would join along and everyone would, you know, there'd be like this super group of musicians in front of us. And we were like, Coco was probably

nine, I think. I don't know, I don't remember our age difference. And I was like 12. And we were just like, what is going on? This is crazy. And then one day, my mom and Courtney were like, you have to go play on the piano. You have to play one song. And I was like, 13 and Ed was there and I was like if you think I'm playing a fucking song on the piano you're absolutely that shit crazy because I'm not playing a song on the piano I'm not doing that I've never performed from anybody and they're like if you don't do it you're going to regret it for the rest of your life play a song on the piano just do it who cares just do it everybody's having fun everyone's drinking doesn't matter just do it I was like I'm not going to do it and Courtney and my mom

picked me up by my arms and sat me on piano and I was like okay I was like I'm going to play an Ed's Shiren song and I, oh, you played an Ed Sheeran song for Ed Shearin? No, wait, which song was it? I played the A team on the piano. It's also like one of the first times I'm meeting him as well and I played it and I was shaken and I was, fuck, I was so scared. But the second as I started singing in the second, I finished the song, I was just met with this like overwhelming sense of joy and gratitude and just excitement. And it felt like the first drug I ever did. type of thing. Like, it was, it was just this feeling of, oh, my God, I want to perform. I want to

perform more. I want to perform forever. So you knew how to play it. Did you practice it with your piano teacher? I'm like, in it. I'm like, in the 23 minutes, did you do a team with your piano teacher? Yeah. My piano teacher would always make me laugh because I would always choose, like, the most depressing songs ever to learn. That was always my MO. But Ed heard it. And after, he was so kind and so complimentary and so wonderful. And he was like, you should pursue this. You should do this. You're very talented. And I was like, what? I am. That's so cool. And I went home with the biggest smile on my face. And then the next day, he sent me a guitar. And it was this mini Martin that's still my prize possession. It's upstairs. I play it every single time I pick up a

guitar. It's the first guitar I pick up. And it's faded. So I should get it laminated. But on the back, it says, Dear Charlotte in big writing in Sharpie, please play me. Love Ed. And I was like, and it's dated like 2013 or something and I it was just so awesome and that's what made me become a musician that's what made me go oh my god okay I'm gonna take this seriously I I want to do this forever and always and now I I've been gifted this guitar by by a musician that has been one of my idols since I've been a kid like I'm gonna I'm gonna really take this seriously I'm gonna dive in I'm gonna learn how to write I want to I want to learn I want to get better I want to learn how to sing better I want to learn how to play guitar and really go for it and it's what

made it's what inspired me to actually pursue this because before i was just like oh this is a hobby that i love that i'm passionate about that makes me feel so good and so warm but this moment that night was the turning moment i'm like oh my god no i'm gonna i want to do this for the rest of my life i want to perform like that for the rest of my life i want to make my own music that makes people feel the way that these songs made me feel so i'm just going to go for it but he's just he's just the kindest person i couldn't say any nice things about him he's what changed my life you know and my mom obviously Courtney and my parents. And obviously my parents were just even having me to allow me to be in that room. Like that was so awesome. And I was so lucky. I feel like you are so appreciative of being in those

rooms. And I've heard you talk about it. And I loved your answer. And I said this to so many people, like when that, you know, NEPO baby conversation was going on. And a lot of people got defensive. And I remember you, I think, did Haley Bieber's bathroom show and talked about it or something. And I was like, here it is. Like, whoop, there it is. Here's the response that all of you people, you know, being like, oh, la, la, and like being like, like, like, you, like, you said it. And I think I, you know, I think I even posted it to your dad's approval.

I know. I was like, is it okay? Because I think he told me, he's like, Charlotte had the best response. I know. No, he's upset. Like, the best dad. Like the best. Homies with my parents before we ever became friends.

I'm like, that's so great. but do you know what like this is how funny is so the reason i ever started like speaking with him which is random right fucking random is i was going through like celebs you weren't like sure dated or i don't remember what i was doing and i was like did you guys know that when scrubs was on like bill lawrence the you know fucking creator married to so i posted that and i i guess i Google the image, like, whatever photo came up. And, oh, my God. I posted the photo.

Like, who was even looking at him, right? And he DMs me like, could you not find a fatter picture of me? And I was like, oh, my God. Oh, my end just cracked me up. And then I knew he was like a vibe because like, what a. I know what picture you're talking about because there's one picture that comes up right when you search my dad. And we have it on a coffee mug at the house because it makes,

me laugh so hard but he's like laughing mid laugh and just has a full double chin and it's just like it's just the most unflattering picture of him he's just much than that but it's used everywhere always on every like variety release headline whatever on our it's so funny and we torture him for it because it's like he's a very handsome person he was just like in a weird laugh that was like gave him a big double chin and just like weird face and we were like that's weird face dad but we're going to use it against you forever that is so funny you put it on a mug So that's how it's like, oh, my God, that's so cool of you to point out. But your mom looked good.

So it's like, who cares? So again, I just want to say, like, what you answered, you know, Haley Bieber in that conversation was so cool and so respectable. And like, you're so talented. But the fact that you're like, you could just plan like say that sentence, which is like, yeah, I know that I've lived a privilege childhood or whatever you. What did you say, tell the people? Well, I mean, I think it's just about being honest.

I'm not going to deny, you know, where I came from. I'm not going to deny that I've had all these insane blessings and opportunities and privilege that no one else has. Like, I grew up in such a way that provided me with comfort and safety and love, obviously, but also just like every option that I could have ever wanted, I would have been able to, you know, pursue. If I wanted to be an actress, I, when I was a kid, my parents would have supported me and would have helped me and would have opened the doors for me if I wanted to be a musician like I did.

They put me on and helped me immensely and were my mom and dadagers and put me in rooms with incredible musicians that I would have, nobody ever gets to be in those rooms and I was in those rooms and it was just so cool. And I know, I just like, I know how lucky I am and I'm not going to deny that I'm not lucky. And I'm also not going to deny that I would have been able to be here right now pursuing this career happily and comfortably without my parents. You know what I mean? Like that's just, that's what the truth is is I would not be able to do what I do without them. The other side of it is that, you know, with connections and opportunities and people like my parents that can really, you know, get you that meeting, get you that introduction, put your foot

through the door, help you, you know, with money or emotional, whatever you might need, this privilege that I grew up with, they can open the door for you. They can get, you know, you the meeting and get you in front of the people. But to actually do it, you got to, you know, put your foot through on your own. So just because I was blessed with what I was blessed with and with my childhood doesn't mean that I'm not going to work my ass up, you know? I think have both worlds. And I just, I also think it's like, I was, I was also born with these passions. It wasn't like my parents, like, forced it upon me when I was a kid or, or it was my, my destiny was written out for me that I was going to do this. Like, I was born with my own

passions and talents and dreams. Born harmonizing with this, with a superpower, okay, with the superpower harmonization thing. I was born with these like dreams and I wanted to pursue them. And my parents were kind enough and I was lucky enough that I was able to. But if I didn't, if I didn't grow up the way that I did, I'd still try and pursue this. You know, I'm just lucky that I, that I have these advantages, you know? Obviously, Kyra is your really good friend, right? Yeah. She looks exactly like her fucking mom. Like she's gorgeous and model looking. Wasn't Cindy's daughter. I, I believe truly to my core that she would have been just as big if not bigger because she is. In person, you're like, why do you look like that? It's offensive and annoying and rude. She's so beautiful. So you have a lot of celebrity friends. Did they go to like the Marymount school that you went to or did you meet them like later in the industry?

No, I mean, I met Kyle when we were like 10 years old because our parents were friends. And she hunted my parents like you did before her and I ever met when she was like 10. And we were kind of like on it. We had a set up by our parents like play date and we immediately became best friends. and I just, I love her so much. But she went to school in Malibu. I grew up like half Malibu, half in the city. Almost all of my best friends from when I was a kid were in the same friend group.

Like me, Gracie, Blake, Kaya, all my friend Nadia, my friend Charlotte, like all of my friends were all in the same group, but we've known each other for so long. And we got together and do the same, not the same thing, but very similar things. And it's so weird. It's so rare. It's cool. I mean, there's nothing like the friends that, like, you got your period with. like, you know, we're there when your, you know, parents were like grounding you.

It's like a different kind of friendship. I totally agree with you. Okay. Oh, my God. We're past time, but I didn't want to ask you, first of all, you're fucking hustling. You're playing all these shows. When are you coming to New York? Are you going to do a tour?

Yeah, I want to. I really want to open up for somebody, honestly, because what I want to do is I want to open up for someone awesome and then simultaneously do my own. headlining tour, you know, and get a double whammy of meeting new people every night and getting to perform my music for new people that have no idea who I am. And then also people that have loved me for a while. I think that'd be a very special thing. So who would be a dream to open up for? Let's put it out there. Any, let's, I mean, okay, ready, I'll list them. Yeah. BB, Boy Genius. That's like, that's a fucking dream and a half. I think, I think all of them are

Did she work on one of your songs? No, I mean, I probably have. I've worked with people that she's worked with and that are the biggest fans. And I love her so much. And I think she's so just talented and special. And her own type of musician and has made her own just, I don't even know how to describe her.

She's just like an alien that has come down and blessed us with her songwriting. And she's just so special. She doesn't like follow any sort of standard. She just makes her own music. and she's set such a standpoint. She's like Lana in that sense of like there wouldn't be so many musicians that you and I and so many people love without Phoebe, without Lana, without Billy, without all these incredible like just female songwriters that pave their own path.

I love so many musicians and I love kind people and everyone that I listed is a kind person and I would just, I'd kill to open up for somebody that was as talented as they are, but also as kind and special as all of them are. So any of them. I love that. We're putting it out there. And for now, because you do shows that, what's it called, Hotel Cafe? Yeah, I've been doing like little acoustic shows here and there in L.A.

Just kind of for fun and to be able to play my music on a really intimate level. Can people, like, buy tickets, like find out when it is, buy tickets? Yeah. They're such small rooms. So I'll, it's so awesome. And it's such a gratifying feeling that, like, I'll post. the hotel cafe thing and it gets sold out right away and I'm like oh my god it's it's so cool but it's like 150 people you know but it's that's a lot of people you like imagine 150 people in this

room right here there'd be a lot of people in this room but it's awesome it's so fun and it's so it's so it's so like you know there's no auto tune there's no tracks there's no not even a reverb on the mic it's all just raw and if you mess up it's it's right there and it's right in front of you So my kind of viewpoint towards it is I, the way I perform on these acoustic shows and the way I talk and talk to the crowd and introduce myself and introduce the songs, it's just like, I'm going to be, I'm not going to try to be anything but myself. I'm going to be so raw. I'm going to talk to them about how I almost broke my dress backstage. So if it falls down and I flash the whole crowd, that's not my fault and we're going to put it out there in the open. I'm just like I name my flaws, I guess, or I name my like my insecurities, my worries, my fears for the show. And it just becomes this very, like, comfortable, open, dynamic, I don't know, show that we're all talking the whole time or I'll ask them all questions. And we all have this joke, this inside joke that we leave with. And it's just been like, it's so much fun. I've been having so much fun and be acoustic. Oh, my God. That's so cool. I hope that I'm in

L.A. sometime to see it. I always see it on your Instagram. And I'm like, that seems like such a such a cool atmosphere. Like the quiet, like the dim light. It's just like the vibe. It was very, very cool. And you're so cool, Charlotte. Thank you so much. Like, I want to keep talking. Stay with me. So you have things coming up.

Do we have an album? Yes. I'm going to release an album this year, probably. It's done. It's getting mixed right now. I'm aiming for, like, you know, late summer, early fall, fall area, whatever. But I'm not going to say an exact date because, you know, it's very complicated releasing music. There's so much that goes into it.

now I'm learning. I'm like, oh, my God, you wrote body bag in 2021 or in 2023. It takes a lot. And also you're going to be on a show. Right? Oh, it's so crazy. What show? What show? Monkey something? Am I making that up? Mad Monkey. Bad, bad, bad. Bad. Bad, oh my God. Hotel Monkey's kind of a great name, too. Wait, bad monkey. Kind of like bad bunny. Yeah, kind of like bad bunny. Oh my God. I'm so excited. When is that coming out? And what's the streamer. I don't know when it's coming out. It's on Apple TV with Vince Vaughn, who is incredible and so funny. Oh my God. Meredith Hagner, who's incredible. I don't know if you've ever seen Search Party. It was the most funny, like, freaky, cool show, and she was one of the stars of it.

She's just incredible and we became so close. And Michelle Monaghan, who's amazing. And it's just like, it's just the most. Oh, my God. That sounds so cool. I'm excited about this one. Bad Monkey. Charlotte, thank you so much. You're so adorable. And body bag is an amazing song. Go listen to it. Go watch the video on YouTube. There might be a body bag in it. Charlotte's on Instagram. Oh my God, Charlotte. Thank you again. Charlotte Lawrence. It was so good to meet you. It was so good. Everyone go listen to Charlotte's music. And I'll see you soon. I need, I want when I'm in LA, I want a show. Can I get a show at Hotel Cafe? I'll text you. I'll be there soon, but I've been wanting to do an acoustic one in New York as well, because I feel like it's unfair that I just, I've done like 10 in L.A. and nowhere else. Actually unfair. So let me know. I'm going to be front row, like, singing.

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