Not Skinny But Not Fat - Clank: Erin Foster Joins NSBNF

Episode Date: May 28, 2019

Erin Foster comes on NSBNF and talks about everything from growing up with a gazillion (now famous) step siblings, *cough Gigi Hadid & Brody Jenner*  to her fear of elevators (which we have in common), to being a boss ass bitch in business and SO much more. Too bad she lives in LA or else we’d keep her!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is not skinny but not fat and I'm your host, Amanda, here to bring you the latest in all pop culture news, celebrity gossip, anything happening right now in Hollywood that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is not skinny but not fat. Hi, welcome to another week of the not skinny but not fat podcast. I'm your host Amanda from Not Skinny but Not Fat on Instagram. I have my co-host, Sistager, or Yale today. I also have to have. I also have have a very, very special guest, looking her deep in her eyes. So pretty. Erin Foster.

Hi. Wait, do you manage your sister? I wish, like, this is my goal in life to be a Chris Jenner, but like, we're not there yet. But I always, I'm going to be a sister-jur. Did I really mean you that or did you name yourself that? I named myself that. She keeps saying, when can I quit my job?

I want to be a full-time sister-ger. She needs to start like. You got to do it. She also keeps saying 10% and 10% I'm like, I should sign her on that now, so she knows She's never getting more than that. I agree. 10% for a manager is pretty good. Yeah.

10%. Not a dime above that. Yeah, you're not going to get lower. Well, get me. Like, I have to quit my real-time job. What is your real-time job? So I don't do anything that interesting. I work at a graduate school in their admissions office.

That's cool. That means you're smart. Yeah, you're doing something real. She said it's social work. Yeah. That's way more relevant than anything we're about to talk about. Yeah. That's true, but I really like this shit.

Yeah. This is like more, I'm more passionate about this than my actual job. I get that. But we're talking about you today, Aaron. Oh, I love talking about you. So, first of all, Erin Foster, everyone, I'm just tell you real quick that I think you were my first, like, celeb follow on Instagram. Do I count as a celeb? Yeah.

I count you. Thank you. I count you. And I will say that I even remember. I have a good memory, so don't be freaked out. Don't freak out. I think when I started following you, I think you had like a hundred-something K followers. And I kept thinking, like, she deserves so much more.

She's so funny. She's so this. And then you had this. like huge jump. I don't know what the jumps was. When it was? Yeah, I don't know what it was.

There was. I feel like, I mean, you were always kind of known and like you were doing things and you had barely famous, which I watched and loved. It was so funny.

I still wish that it would come back. We all do. But listen, it got canceled. And it's one of these things where we had this special show that we didn't know what it was going to be like.

We had this feeling that we had stumbled upon an idea that was like unique and interesting and then we sold it to a network that was willing to let us make exactly what we pitched to them but which was VH1 but VH1 doesn't make comedy and they don't they didn't really know how to make a comedy and our executives from VH1 like really believed in the show but their hands were always tied because VH1 is in like reality TV and it's just not what their special sauce was I know but you know what the funny thing is that we actually pitched it to Bravo they put this like

extremely low-level person in the room with us. We pitched it to them. They passed. Said no. And then we sold it to VH1. Then it started to kind of hit. And then someone from Bravo up higher was like, why didn't you bring me this show?

We were like, we did. And you passed on it because you didn't take us seriously. And then, you know, networks don't love to buy a show that like failed somewhere else and technically got canceled. So it just has this weird life in it where people still find it. They still talk to us about it all the time. And it still feels relevant. And because it was really funny. I mean, I feel like I can say because there's so many people involved other than

myself. It was a really great show. It was a really great show. And I wonder if it'll ever like get a reboot. I know. Well, Sarah and I are developing a couple of things together right now. And I think one of them could end up having a vibe that would satiate that feeling. But we can't like recreate the same show over and over again or else we're not inventive, I guess. Right. And you're a writer. I'm a writer. Yeah, that's my trade. That's your trade and your Instagram like a category, right? I mean, I think

from model. Thank you. I don't know what it says on there. It says like, I definitely doesn't say public figure. I think it's embarrassing when people put that. It's like you're deciding you're a public figure. No, but usually people that write that aren't a public. Find people all the time. I'm like,

I don't have any idea who you are. You're like someone's wife. You're like an athlete. You're like an athlete. Lee's wife and you say a public figure, like you decided you're a public figure, but the world did not decide you're a public figure. I don't think any real person would put that. Yeah. So I'm not going to decide for myself that I'm a public figure. I think it does say writer on there. It does say writer on there. And you were working on. You were working on daddy issues. Yeah. Is that happening? I was super excited for you. Also dead. Yeah. It got, it didn't get picked up. We shot the pilot. it. So it got really far in the process at Fox last year. And then it just didn't, it didn't get picked up. Network TV is a really strange thing. Yeah. It really kind of like killed my soul. Really? Yeah. It's a, because it's like exciting and then didn't happen. You know, it's one of those things where it's really exciting and also the people who are buying the idea from you, everything that

they say they love it for is the first thing that they strip it of. So everything they say they want you to do for them is the first thing that they take out of the script and say, like, we're not ready for that. Or you have to speak to Middle America and you have to explain who everybody is and you can't have a character that's unlikable and you can't have this. And it's just not in line with how I write or how I feel. And the money is really great. And you have access to this massive audience if it gets on TV. So it kind of draws you in and makes you think like this is what success is going to look like. So I have to try to go along with it. But then as you're going along with it, you keep thinking, I'm making decisions that I know are wrong and then I know are hurting the thing

that I'm making. But I'm just like playing with in the big game right now and I have to go along with it. You have to go along with it. And then I mean, there's not not really a world where you can like make your own rules unless you're producing it, like doing everything. And that's, I mean, with barely famous, I think the reason why it worked is because we did make our own rules because we were on a network that kind of, like, needed us because people liked what we were doing and it was funny and they didn't have anything like it. So we had a little bit more leverage.

But when you're working, that's a cable network. So when you're working at a proper network like Fox, you're just, they win. They win. They just win every time. And even when they know that the decision isn't making a better show, it's like a formula that they don't know how to quit using. Yeah.

So are you saying they always have to make sure, everything is like very PC your sort of the show is is likable to every kind of person yeah there's a lot of because I really wrote like a really smart witty I'm assuming sarcastic cynical script I think was probably a lot better than the pilot

but yeah they want to water a lot of things down they don't want jokes to be hard to understand if it's like if it's kind of a sarcastic joke that you might have to think about they don't like that and then you know it's like

like these two best friends sound too similar. We need you to distinguish. We need like the smart friend and then the quirky friend and they sound too similar. And I'm going, well, best friends have the same sense of humor. Best friends finish each other's sentences and like have all the same inside jokes. That's how best friends talk. It's okay if the dialogue is sort of interchangeable in the jokes, you know? And they would be like, no, no, no, we need a line here that says, you know, well, you know me.

I'm the logical one. So I'm like, you really need that? You think that sounds like good TV? That's crazy because Fox, sort of in my head. head at least, obviously, because of like known reasons, but Fox is like the most conservative of like the networks. Yeah, I mean, they are for news, but I don't think that they are for programming scripted. Listen, they have great stuff.

And every network has good shows and less good shows and good people and people who are making the best decisions. But I think the truth is that TV is changing and everyone's just panicking and no one really knows the right thing to do. And so I think what happens is people say we want this because it feels different. and exciting. And then when they get into the, you know, grid of it, they're scared to make something that feels edgy and fresh and exciting because that's not what they're used to doing. And they want to, they're trying to save a network. Right. You know what I think, Erin,

there's a saying in Hebrew that says, if it's yours, it's yours. So that one wasn't. Yeah, I agree with that. The next one is. Yeah. I actually kind of let go of things pretty, pretty easily. So you don't need my Hebrew. No. You're like, I'm over it. Okay. No, it's funny. I think that when you are a writer, you have to learn to let go of a lot of things because you work really hard to make something. And then when it doesn't get picked up or it gets canceled or something, you have to just move on to the next thing.

It's part of the business. It's something that Sarah and I always struggle with because she can't move on. She gets stuck. She's the stuck one. She's the one who needs that Hebrew saying. Yeah, she gets really stuck. She gets really stuck on it. And she keeps, like, she's still to this day.

She'll be like, I mean, it's just insane that barely famous is canceled. I'm like, Sarah, that was four years ago. I think I've seen her post about it. She can't get over it. She cannot get over it. Because I think when you're so proud of something that you do and you think it's good, which it sounds like it's obvious, like, oh, you think it's good. But usually people are very critical of themselves. So it's not that easy to say, wow, I made a great show.

It was so funny. It was so great. So the fact that you're both saying it isn't like, you know. No, we're not like egotistical people. We're very self-deprecating. So I think sometimes just like magic comes out of something and it just kind of worked in a way that I can't explain. I know. I kind of feel like I need to binge it again now. It's kind of a good binge.

A lot of, I get messages all the time and people who are still discovering it. No, it's so good. It's so good. We're going to take a break real quick and be right back. So like I said, you're my first celebrity follower. And I just want to tell people, too, that they probably know this about. you if they follow you but that you're you just like even on instagram you can convey a very like down to earth kind of feeling even when you're you know joking about knowing celebrity like it comes across as a joke and like we all know well we don't all know so we're going to get you to say it

i'm sorry if you said a hundred times okay your family tree oh okay you're connected to like a million people yeah including i think my mom you know my master today are you going to ask her if she's close with her stepsisters i had no idea what she's talking about I'm like, mom, you're upset that? Yeah. And I go, I go, mom, because they blinked on me for a second. And she's like, the Hadid's. And I'm like, oh.

And then I was like, and I knew, I know about this family tree. I think once I even, did you put up something or like. Vanity Fair did like a foster family tree once that seems to be like our mothership of explaining it. Just go there, everyone. Do you even know all of it? Yeah, I know all of it. But it's not easy to explain to people, I guess. but I can try.

It's just that your dad was married to a couple different women and they have kids, so they're your, okay, but go. But my mom, too, has also been married, and so I've stepped siblings on that side as well. So you want me to give it to you? I want you to give, first of all, you Sarah and Jordan, who lives in New York. Yes. And I do want to ask you about that later, just because we're three sisters too. So it's definitely interested in me to hear that kind of dynamic because we need advice also.

Okay. Great. so yeah the tree um okay it is long though i don't cut me off because i don't know how much time we have my mom and my dad were married at one point you know they had three kids together me sarah and jordan before that my dad had been married um previously to a woman named bj and had a daughter named amy um she's a writer and previous to that he had had a daughter who he gave up for adoption when he was like 19 so she's our oldest sister her name's alison we met her when i was touch we met her when i was was like 21.

She lives in Canada. Oh, wow. And so then that brings you to, then that's five girls. My dad has. Oh, wow. So then he married, he left my mom and married Linda Thompson, Jenner. She had been divorced from Bruce Jenner. So her two sons are Brandon and Brody Jenner.

Those are my stepbrothers. Okay. And then their mom was Linda. Their dad was Bruce. And then Bruce married Chris. So my stepbrothers, step sisters were. the Kardashians. So when we were kids, you know, birthday parties like you're all together because it's like you're each other's family on different sides. So the last wife was Yolanda

though. Yeah. So then he was with Linda for 20 years. So Brandon and Brody were our stepbrothers for 20 years. And then they broke up and then another later date. My dad married Yolanda Hadid. She has three kids. So then Gigi Bell and Anwar were our step siblings. Meanwhile, our mom was with this like amazing guy named Ron Fujikawa for 11 years he had three sons so our mom was with him and his three sons became our stepbrothers he passed away and his sons are will always be our stepbrothers there'll always be our family and because our parents ever broke up and one of them married Kate Hudson yeah and then he ended up it was it's really like kind of this beautiful wild thing and I thought it was did you put it up on Instagram and sound like a really

Because when she was born, because they named her after Ron, my stepdad, Danny's dad. It was a really special person? The most amazing guy ever. Yeah, I have his name tattooed on my arm. Oh, really? Yeah, Ronnie. And they removed like every, is that? No, it's just, I did a really faint one.

It's like gray. That's so sweet. And so I had Ronnie on my arm for like five years since he passed away. And then Kate and Danny named their daughter Ronnie. Oh, my God. Wait, did your dad like say, why didn't you get David? No, because, oh, on my arm. Yeah.

Well, I mean, he's still alive. Oh, you've got it after he passed away. Yeah, so that's a good. Yeah. No, my dad was always really great. He just knew that we really loved our stepdad. And, like, he understands. He's had a lot of families, you know.

And he's, like, we've been through a lot with a lot of different stepkids. And, like, we've never lived with our dad before. And he always lived with his stepkids. So it's just kind of a complicated, like, dynamic when you're growing up. And so I think. But you're close with him. Yeah, I'm really close with him. But I think everyone just has to be kind of forgiving of closeness.

Yeah, there's a lot of people, and sometimes you get something from one person, you don't get from another. And my dad was actually really, it was kind of wonderful because even though he was a little bit like, kind of like, he knew how much we loved our stepdad. But then when our stepdad got sick, my dad really stepped in and helped him a lot. And like my dad has so many resources. He can really like bring the best doctors or get you like pushed into a hotel room. I'm sorry, not a hotel, a hospital room if you can't get in. And he ended up stepping in and like really actively. participating in helping Ron like his, you know, sickness.

And so it was kind of a nice way for us to, like, bond over that. Oh, that's nice. That's so beautiful. So now Kate Hudson, who's your friend, no big deal, everyone. Big deal. We're really good friends with Kate Hudson. Sarah went to high school with her. So the big joke is like Sarah was really cool and I was like not at all.

I mean, among my friends I was, but Sarah's friends would never give us the time of day. But she's older. Sarah's older, but she's only one grade. older. And 18 months older, but like in school, you know, you're one year older. But Sarah was just inherently cool from birth. She just never had an awkward moment or a stage. She was always straight A's without even blinking. She was like the smartest in the class. She also was like the captain of every sports team. She was also like effortlessly beautiful. She never needed like braces. She just was like didn't go through awkward stage. And I was the opposite of all this.

Like I couldn't get a straight, a good grade in school. I was like was so bad. at sports that I could barely stay on a team and I was just really like awkward and it was just shitty it was really shitty I mean you can laugh about it now but I'm assuming then it wasn't it was not funny to me at the time I did not have a sense of humor about it at all but Jordan was younger than you Jordan was younger than me she's the baby she's a baby so how what's the difference in you and her Jordan's three years younger than me okay oh so you all are pretty close in age though yeah not too bad Sarah and Jordan are five years apart so like they didn't really know each other I don't think growing up

and they, I was really close to Jordan because Sarah really wouldn't give me the time of day and all I wanted was to like have Sarah as my best friend and she would not talk to me. And so I went to the next best thing, which was my little sister who I can control, you know. I can tell her what to do and her who to like and like who to hang out with.

So then it felt good to be like the top dog, you know, and have someone I can control. So when did you get hot and cool? In my 20s. Yeah, it was a long time. I mean, it took a minute, for sure. Maybe like 20. I mean, you were always tall and like blonde and stood out.

No, I was, I'm not really, none of us are actually blonde. Okay. We're all burnets. Really? Mm-hmm. Sarah's hair is really dark naturally. And mine's like medium brown. This is boring.

But we're not blonde. But I was like kind of fat in high school. And that's not an exaggeration. You're exaggerating. If anyone who's listening to Newmey in high school or middle school, you can confirm this, I'm sure nobody talks to me or listens to me now. but yeah I had like double D boobs and I was okay I don't want to be go on record saying like what is fat or skinny or like what size is good or bad we're not going to dream you right now thank you but like to be in Malibu yeah right so if you're in Malibu let's already take the scale of what's fat and skinny and let's like put it to an unrealistic standard and so in that world I was like I don't want to say sizes but let's say I was six times six size up from what I am now. That's what it felt like to you.

No, no, I was. In reality, I was six sizes up from what I am today. And I won't say the sizes to decide what's foul or skinny. But I'm six sizes smaller now than I was then. So I was like, I had a different body. And Sarah was always like skinny and modeling. Yeah. And she was actually a model?

She was actually a model. She was actually a model. Not until after high school, though. Yeah. And she was in 902. Right. Yes, but that was more recent. That was like five or six years ago.

Really? Was that recent? I don't know when that show came out, but I remember. Something like that. Yeah. So you were jealous of her, like, in high school and stuff like that? Yeah. It was not like, it's hard to say.

Like, I kind of hate, like, the idea of jealousy because it's not necessarily that you want what the person has. You just want to be a part of it, I guess. Kind of like that. That's really nice. Yeah. That's really nice. And then after that, you became freaking. I grew into myself.

No, but also your relationship with Sarah. Yeah, Sarah and I got close when I was in my 20s. like she kind of started giving me the time of day. And I also, I think, stopped caring and stopped needing it. Like there was a point where I clearly, and this is, I think, really important for everybody because I think everyone has a version of this. I had a narrative that I lived by, which was like, I don't know how to be as good as Sarah at anything.

I don't know how to be as tall or as skinny or as beautiful or as popular, all these things. And I define myself on my role in my relationship with her. even though the outside world I could be anything I wanted to be but I felt really stuck in this one role and I let it define me and that was my narrative Ashley Simpson and Jessica and she came out with shadow

was it shadow but it wasn't it was shadow she came out of the shadow I love Joshua Simpson by the way I know I love that too but it wasn't even about like Sarah Sarah's not like it I guess those two sisters is just the two of them or whatever like we have a big

family and it's not just about like one person in the family. It's that when you have a big family, you have a role in that family, right? Everybody has that. When you have siblings, when you have parents, all these people look at you and they're like, oh, you're the this one. And you just live by that. And there was a point in my life in my early 20s where I literally just stopped. I was like, I'm no longer going to define myself by these five things that I don't like. I'm going to pivot. I'm going to pick a group of people that really appreciate the things that I am bringing to the table that are going to value this other the thing and I'm going to see if I can get traction over here. And I stopped banging my head

against a wall trying to be something that I wasn't going to be. And as soon as I stopped comparing myself to someone else and I stopped trying to live up to something, everything got easier. And then I was able to grow into myself and I was able to feel beautiful. And then I honestly even like got skinny. Not that that's like the goal, but I was holding on to. Not a goal, Jamila. Jamil, we didn't say it. I know. I'm so scared to get in trouble. but like you do sometimes feel like oh this isn't my body i'm like holding on to something and then you let it go and you grow into yourself and you blossom and you're like this is who i wanted to be the whole time i just didn't know how and i think it's just a lot about accepting who you actually are

instead of who you want to be and then you kind of become who you want to be that's why i always say and i've said this lately because when i turned 30 i didn't have the like oh like cry about it i literally said, and it felt kind of cheesy to say it so quickly, but I literally said I've noticed so many things about myself that I like more, that I know myself more, that even in little things, which Ariel makes fun of me, but little things, like the fact that I, you know, offered you a drink and you said, no, maybe five years ago you would have had a drink because I offered you one, and you would have had it. You know what I mean?

Yeah. She's not pregnant, everyone. She just didn't want to drink today. But, um... I mean, it's like two in the afternoon, for the record. Yeah, for the right. If you came 11, it would be offered. Um, but I'm just saying, like,

And I notice those things, like, if I don't want to have a drink, I won't have a drink. If I don't want to meet this person, I won't meet this. Even in those small things. You just have better boundaries. Yeah. Like you grow older, you get to know yourself and you're not the area. So you can sit this one out. I am.

How old are you or are you? 26. You're so young. That's so beautiful. jealous. I'm still in mid-20s and I do feel like I'm so different than what I was when I was 22. I feel like as you grow older. You get to know yourself.

You get to like you don't want, you don't care as much about what people think of you. You want to surround her. yourself with people that actually like you know friends because like I'm like these people don't deserve their. Yeah. No, I think in your 20s, unless you're all in your old soul, but a lot of times in your 20s, you feel like you have to justify what you want to someone or justify having what you want or needing or just justify being there and you're apologizing all the time. And I had like really bad boundaries with guys for sure. I would go on a first date and I would know emphatically like I don't like this person. But guys are pushy.

they'd be like, what am I seeing you again? How's Thursday? How's Friday? What am I seeing you? I want to see you. What? I'm not good enough for you? And I'd be like, okay, let's go out Saturday. And all of a sudden I'm like, okay, let's go out of Saturday. Yeah. And all of a sudden I'm like, I didn't think I was entitled to say no. It's really true. And as soon as I was like, oh, you know what's you're going on a second date? And like, what's you going to do? Murder me? Right. I mean, honestly, he could. But I've survived so far. And she's rocking an S necklace, everyone. Which I thought was Sarah. I know. It's not for Sarah. Did he get you it? He did, yeah, for Valentine's Day. That's so nice. Here's my name. I know. Well, I kind of told him that I wanted. That's nice. I think I went to buy it for myself and he was like, it's February soon. Can you just let me get it? So how long have you guys been dating?

For almost a year. So like 11 months, I guess. And he seems like the guy, no? He's the guy, yeah, for sure. We moved in together technically to get it. So I saw yesterday, but you know what's funny. Okay, I'm going to be honest because I'm an honest person. So Sarah put up something that he put up, which was like 818 or buy 8 when I ate? Yeah, exactly. No, bye. Okay, and then I was like, eight to eight.

It's where you love. This area code and I see California and I'm like, but then maybe it's like San Diego and he's moving. It's like the address of a building. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the address of a building that he's been living in for like 12 years. So dramatic, Simon. You're not moving from the North Pole.

It's been like really, it's been really hard for him. He's been really struggling because what happened was we were moving in together. and so we both own our moving in with you no so that's not the goal that's exciting first of all yeah so let's just take a pause we're like yeah i haven't lived with a boyfriend since i was 19 years old it was chad michael murray no big deal no way yeah different story wait don't you and sarah say like clank like is another thing yes clang i didn't even know that i know such a good clang yeah you really ariel's paying more attention she should start you know um so we decided that we both own our places. We both don't want to sell our places. So we want to

rent our places out and then take that money and rent a house together. So we can like test it out, see what part of town in L.A. we want to be in. And like we don't rush into buying a house together because it's just put too much stress on when you're like you should take your time to buy a house. Wait, so he lives in California but not in the area that you do. No, we both live really close to some. We're both sort of around Beverly Hills. A1.8's just an address. It's like a dad is on a street. It's not enough. I thought it was like an area. Okay, it's like, it's like, I'm like four for five, like that. Yeah, exactly. Because he's lived in this building for 12 years. It's the only place he's

lived since college and so, and his parents. So it's like very dear to him. And it's, it was sort of the epicenter of his single life. And like two years he renovated his condo to be like his perfect place. And it is beautiful. It's like a hotel. I've basically been living there for the last 10 months, 11 months. And it's like living in a hotel. He's just, he's very clean he's very like grown up he has beautiful taste like phenomenal taste he has glass carafts of water next to the bed with like corp in the top and like that's how he drinks he's really like has his shit together that's so funny and so we've been staying at his place um the majority of the time because like i have a nice place too but simon's like a guy's guy he's

not trying to like live in my place it just goes against his like nature and i like he's like the man and the relationship. So we stay at his place. So we both put our places on the market to rent them out. And like the first day he put his up, this like hot model came about and was like, I want to live here and offered like a great deal. And so he had to be out by Sunday. So then he had to move into my place today, yesterday. Oh my God. Which was not the plan. And it's his manhood is suffering. His pride is. Wait, so he moved in one. But you're actively looking for a place. Yes. So it's not going to be like, it's temporary. It's temporary. It's temporary. We We just don't know when we're going to find the perfect house.

So, right. What's like the good, what's, I've, you wouldn't believe this. I've never been to Los Angeles. You never been to L.A.? I'm coming in May. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I'm going to the first time. It's so weird because, like, I'm from New York, but I've lived in Israel for a lot of

my life. And so when I live in New York, I'm, like, visiting family in Israel. And when I lived in Israel, I'm visiting family in New York. So, like, I traveled in Europe and stuff, but I've never got to do, like, the small, like, the U.S. Yeah. That's so great. That's exciting.

You're going to come there. Okay. We'll have to hang. Yeah, we will. So I'm coming, so I don't know anything. So I want to stay in West Hollywood. Yeah. Because I feel like I need to like be there, right?

Yeah, sure. First I was like, Benaz, like I'll ride a bike. And I was like, no, I won't. This is great. And you will ride a bike if you're there. I'll fine ride the bike for the picture, okay? But it's not close to anything. I mean, listen, LA is what, it's easy.

You can kind of get wherever. Yeah. The thing is it's not, it's not like there's an area to be in necessarily. It's really what you are looking for, what you want. You're not looking to live there. here like everything's so far away and traffic is like an hour and it is and it isn't I think that um there are friend groups that all kind of cluster in certain parts of town and you're either like you every all your friends are in silver lake so you're an east side person which

means you're kind of like artistic and a little edgier maybe like musicians or whatever and there's like a lot of i got a lot of brentwood moms in my group okay i got a lot of white brentwood moms that are just like their kids go to school on the west side and like they're wearing workout clothes and they're getting coffee and that's like the brownwood vibe um and there's like calabas i live in beverly hills it's just like central oh beverly hills i know it sounds like really fancy and snobby yeah but i lived in west hollywood all through my 20s it's just that you spend a lot of time in the car just because it's not walkable and then there's a lot of traffic so but there's worse traffic in new york i don't know why we get a bad rap for having worse traffic than you guys you guys

do you like new york do you like being here i love new york are you more you kind of like have a New York vibe. Thank you. You talk fast. You're like, you're like, your, um, your sense of humor is like dry. Yeah. You're like bitter. No, I'm just kidding.

Um, but usually New York, like you have a New York vibe. Thank you. Um, so yeah, I'm wondering, do you like coming here and like, I love being in New York and I always thought I would live here at some point. I don't know why I never did. And it didn't happen. It just never happened. But I would really love to, Simon and I've talked about how in like a fantasy world in this fantasy

we're like super rich and we could like, have disposable cash everywhere and we just would love to have a place in New York and a place in L.A. and just like go back and forth. And surprisingly, you're cool with flights, right? Yeah. Okay, because I'll just say, Aaron, like, okay, so when, I always followed Aaron on Instagram and then just started following me and I was like, oh, man, I love her. And then, and I was starting to say before that you're super down to earth and I could tell, I could tell on Instagram really, like I have like a radar for it. Like I'll tell you about even batcher people. Yeah. So you could really tell. So I feel like you.

you're one of those people that people can tell that you're like down to earth that you you answer people in your comments. I see that a lot. And I'm really about that too. Like even I answer you. Oh my God. You do. I'm really into like if somebody's like, I love that sweater. I got it from Rizia. I got it about two summers ago. It might not sell be there, but there's this website you can use. I get excited to share things. The thing is like, right, you're not going to answer every LOL or everything. But if someone's asking me a question or complimenting me, which is why I live, then of course I'm going to say thank you. And of course I'll find the time to say like, but I'm sure like, do you get any hate?

I feel like you probably don't get a lot of hate. I have to say I do not get a lot of hate. And I talk about this with Simon all the time. He's like, it's shocking that no one hates on you. I get a little, but it's like 3%. I mean, it is very minimal. But don't you feel like knowing from Amanda, it's just nice to see how nice people are? Like, I feel like we always feel like we live in a very shitty world with everything that, like, happens all the time.

But then you see, like, people say such amazing things. Yeah, this is why I have this Instagram. Like, you're so encouraging, supportive. I get such nice messages from people that are like, proud of me. Things that you're like, wait. But you need friends anymore. Like, who needs anyone? Get out of my life.

I have these followers. It's very sweet. I think, I do think that people respond when they think that you're being genuine and then they feel connected to it. And I think a lot of people put out this. very fake persona and they really lean into their own privilege. And I just don't, I've never connected with the idea of like trying to show off privilege that you have and make other people feel jealous of your life. Instead, I like to draw attention to the privilege and be like how ridiculous is this or like the show kind of joke about it. Yeah, I think definitely barely

famous was meant to really shine a light on celebrity privilege and making us the butt of the joke that we aren't ever getting the table at the right place or whatever. But now you kind are though. Yeah, sometimes. But listen, like everything, there's a hierarchy. It's like relative. Anywhere you go. And one day someone, you know, can think I'm really cool and love me and want to give me a great, you know, table or something like this. And then the next day you get like shoved in a corner for, you know, a reality star. And it's like you just can't base your own self-worth on how other people perceive your relevance level because it's going to change all the time. But it's so funny because Simon was FaceTiming with his cousin who works at like a real estate place that has

like glass offices or something like that. And there was some girl in the background. And she came over and she's like, I know who that is. That's Simon. And he was like, how do you know? And she's like he, that's Aaron Thompson's boyfriend. And he was like, that's really funny. His Simon's friends make fun of him for this all the time. He's a very private person. Is he a business guy? He's a business guy. Yeah. He's not trying to be on anyone's Instagram. But you do tag him and stuff so people can probably start following him. But he's private, so he won't accept anybody.

But afterwards he hung up and the girl said to Simon's cousin, she was like, you know, he better be good to her because she really deserves this and he better not hurt her. And he was like, wait, what? You're like protective of Aaron and I thought that's really sweet. That is how girls feel about me.

They really know how special it is, but I've felt like. Yeah. that's the thing like what will Sarah make fun of you for now I know for me she manages though she yeah for feeling sorry for that is that true I feel like you're a good girlfriend I would say that Simon would say I am the craziest person he's ever known what but that I'm not a crazy girlfriend like I don't get jealous or possessive we've never had a fight over um trust jealousy like anything like that and like any of those things but I am like I am like I am very particular to a point he thinks it's very forgiving when I say particular he's like that's a very nice way of saying like you're the most difficult yeah I'm just very like I don't do well I'm not easy going I don't do well when plans change to the last minute I don't do well when like I'm hungry and there's a line at the restaurant I don't do well when like things are unexpected like baseball cap dude like he's the most easygoing person ever but that's what people like us need because I'm like

that too and like my husband i can be like like like and he'll just see that and not say a thing he'll just be like he'll just be like and you'll ask him that's i mean that's a difference here like you'll be like is amanda crazy and he'll just be like no like he doesn't even think i'm crazy which is even more insane and he's been with me for 10 years and he's experienced fucking insanity so i can tell you as uh someone who's been married and you know with someone for 10 years it's so important to have someone be indifferent to that shit and not because you see when I see couples break up over the dumbest shit I know it's because they just respond to each other instead of one person being like okay let her like go wild and Simon knows like his role is to be the same like

the consistent steady person that I can rely on in my like chaos he can't be chaotic because there's no room for that and he gets it and I think he likes his role because he's he's also like castability he doesn't have like a job like yours he's not in the industry and like blah and like he has ownership of his own lane in his own career that's his own thing so he's not like he doesn't need me for anything he doesn't have to rely on me for anything we both have our own things going on and i think that like my and i told him this my dream marriage was always like me at a dinner party like offending someone or saying something like ridiculous or telling some story or whatever, and everyone

looking at him and him and like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, my wife's crazy. Like, I can't, I don't know. I can't help you. Like, they aren't, like, upset by it. They're just kind of like, they've just resigned to the idea that they're worth a crazy person. That was your, like, vision.

Because I always had boyfriends that made me feel bad about who I was. They would be like, why did you say that? Like, you sounded dumb. Exactly. Like, that joke didn't land. Like, why do you always, like, say things that are inappropriate or why? You always like, you know, I just always have boyfriends that were really critical. And I just don't thrive with that.

I'm not a strong enough person where I can be like, no, fuck you. Like, I am who I am. I get embarrassed. So then I like shut down and then I'm in a relationship where I can't be myself. And so I want to be, I have to be with someone who really embraces and like likes who I am. And Simon is like that. So that makes me. It makes it a lot easier.

I can't wait to like see a ring on it. You're telling me to let him know. He'll listen to this. He always was like always manicured. You're like, what's that? My nails look beautiful right now. They look perfect. They're real.

I don't know if it's an LA thing to say, but they're mine. It is an L.A. thing to say. Someone said to me yesterday. You're hair is so long. I don't even want to show mine because it's really embarrassing. No, no, no. We're not going to do it. And you look super natural, too.

Like, I feel like you haven't done anything. No, I'm natural. I mean, I've had a nose job. I love it. That I know, but that I think you've never touched my lips or done anything weird. But also, you posted about your fear of elevator. And I was like, oh, my God, same Csies, because I think when you have that fear, like, I've always felt super alone in it. And even though my husband has this way, he'll literally make me feel so normal.

He's like, everyone has it. Like, what's the big deal? When I'll be like, how am I going to go up? Like, what am I going to do? He's like, just ask the dormant to take you. Like, he acts like it's not a big deal because he doesn't get the, like, when you carry this around, you live in New York. Or in Israel, even, let me give a real example. In Israel, even though it's super industrial and it's a city and Tel Aviv and everything, most places I went to aren't.

giant building. So even if people live in a building, it was four floors. I never had the issue. I moved to New York and I realized, and I, so I didn't even have to think about my fear all the time. Then I moved to New York and it's like every day, have to go up to this floor. Every apartment we looked at was on a certain floor. I wasn't going to be like, we can't live there because we ended up living on the fourth floor, but jobs, interviews. He used to come with me to interviews and like take me up and then like wait downstairs when he first moved here from Israel. Been there. Been there. So when I saw that, on your story and you were open about it. I was like, oh my God. So, so even today, by the way,

I'll just say that Aaron came over and I forced her to take the elevator with me. And then I fell bad because you've gotten nervous and I was like, oh, I curled up in the floor. Wait, you just thought she did. She wasn't a fetal position. She wasn't a fetal position. I'm really, really, I didn't. I didn't, I'm sorry. No, it's okay. It's good that we did it because we survived, but I just do really bad or no, like after you do it. No, I got stuck in Simon's building with him like two months ago. I couldn't even post it because I was like I can't even like draw attention to this. Wait, so what kind of, does it have a doorman? It's a dormant building. He was on the 12th floor and you have to take an elevator. So how did you live there? So every time I would go,

Simon comes down to the garage and gets me. Like whether it's two in the morning, but what if you left, what if you went to work and you left a meeting? He will get up and go take me downstairs any time that I need to. but if he's not there, I would walk 12 flights of stairs. Down is fine, but up? I would just either wait for him to come home or I wouldn't go there. So do you feel like it's easier in L.A. to, like, avoid it? Like, because most of your friends live in, like, houses and stuff. Yeah, I think people in L.A. a little more understanding of it.

Really? Yes, people's houses don't have elevators unless you're... But, like, business meetings you go to and shit like that. Yeah, it's a thing. I have security, like, take me up. So are you... Because I think when I first moved here, the embarrassment was a huge part of it. I feel really embarrassed all the time.

You do? Because I was going to say, because I think now... It feels like very childish. It does. It does. But I think now I've realized that if I just put that aside and I say, you'll get there, you'll deal with it. It relieves me at least of the anticipatory anxiety. You know what I mean?

So then I get there, you know, and then I'm like, now what I do? And then I'm just like, you'll find a way. Someone will come. You'll ask someone. And then you're like deep breathing. You're like, no, no, it's true. Because if you think about it, I think when you're, younger, you feel really embarrassed to admit it to anyone.

So then you think about it three days before you have a meeting and you're like, what kind of plan? Oh, my God, they have been there. The stairs only go down. They don't go. Oh, my God. Do you know that here they fucking lock them. Yeah. So many buildings, okay, in New York, you're like, oh, are there stairs?

And they'll say no. And I feel like my husband, even when he went with me to scope out and do exactly what you're saying, he would be like, how can there be no stairs? It's like a fire hazard. But I always tell you, like, think of, like, put it into perspective. So like, what's the word? helps that to someone with a fear baby people are afraid of pickles of perspective will the pickle fucking kill you okay great example i meant it's true have you seen them else yeah there are people

afraid of pickles on murray i've seen it for real you can't be logical about a phobia yeah right that's right okay that's what i can when i do the self-talk at night before i have a thing i'll be like you have reception you know in an elevator which is the thing you were saying we're helping me having reception but i don't know if my head's like fuck what if we get I know. I'm sure that's what you're thinking, too. It was also very slow of it. I really don't like that. I know. Sorry, babe. I really don't. It's like, no, she's thought, she was like, are we there?

Meanwhile, like the first ding to the first Florida didn't have been yet. Oh, my God. Because it wasn't even at the first thing. It was really scary. And she goes to the, uh, to the doormail. I'm like, you have cameras inside and there aren't. Oh, you like lied to me. He's like, you're fine. Um, but mine is not just exclusive to elevators. Mine is too, though, clotropobia. Yeah, I would get this. I wouldn't lock your bathroom door right now.

I don't know. I don't know if you remember. I've, I've talked to you about this in our DMs. That we won't go to, yeah, you won't lock. Thanks for remembering. No, no, no. The same. No, we talk to like the type of lock and everything that we don't. Right. Because I think, so in flights, I think I talked to you about ones. Yeah. Because I used to have like, my older sister used to fly with me and I asked her to like wait for me. It freaks me out. To hold the door like, don't you want to like get over it? Of course. I've been to a kind of, I went to a cognitive behavior therapy for a year and a half, which is like specific for phobias. And it does help. And it got me. And it got me. And it got me. taking elevators at all with people with people because before i mean before i went on a trip to new york with one of my best friends charles and i was like 21 and a friend was like oh i i have an apartment at the top of the bowery on the 18th floor you can just stay there for free and we had like no money

and my friend charles was like if you don't fucking take this i'll murder you and i go but i can't take the elevator and he was like we'll figure it out and so we stayed there and i walked 18 flights up and down three times a day i never got in that elevator in the bowery for like five days not once wait so what did it come from somewhere because i think i saw something about your dad being like dad hasn't been in an elevator three times in 40 years he's been in an elevator i think i heard he like walked up 67 flights in like japan or something yeah in singapore i think yeah do you think you got this from yeah i think i i mean it's obvious i think i did like i i avoided elevators with him as a kid like i like i told you i'd never live with my dad before right or i did

until i was three but i don't like remember that and when you don't when you're a separate from a parent and there's a lot of kids involved. I think you're like fighting for what your thing is with them or what attention you can get. And so when I was a kid, I'd always be like, oh, I'll take the stairs with you. Because I always felt bad for him. It's such a pain in the ass and people are always annoyed. And so I would do that and I was avoiding elevators since I was so young. And so then they just became really scary to me. My therapist just told me the other week because like I've had a like big progress with it. Yeah, you have. You're in it. Yeah. Wasn't I brave? Very.

So I started, first of all, I had times where, like, my anxiety was super high, so it affected elevators. So I wouldn't take them with people or even with my husband who's like my safe person, I'd be freaked out. So then I got so much better and worked on it to the point where I was taking it here and at work like by myself, okay, by myself. And other elevators, I'd be like, okay, like Amanda, they have to be introduced. Like, no, you're not going to go. Like my dream, which is weird to say, is to go to like a building. building be like bloop get in take an elevator selfie like hit the floor like I see people and I'm

jealous you know what I mean because I feel like having that ease of like you know my older sister in her building her elevator is like going on an airplane like you go in you lose reception with the world it says like emergency only but it's so fast too but it's fast but like I'm like they don't even think about like my head is going oh yeah you know you know what that is what I did the other day to Yelan. My husband's name is Yelan. It's like super Israeli. So we go in this elevator and I was having thoughts because that's what I do. And then I'm like, thring. And I pressed the alarm thing. And he's like, what are you doing? And he's super like a shy person. So for him having any attention is like scary. And he's like, what are you doing? And I was like, I just, did you know that that worked?

Like, I don't know that that worked. I just wanted to know that it like worked. I just wanted to know that it like wanted to stop the elevator. No. That's like the pull button. I know. That thing calls people. and they answer. So you can talk to somebody. I feel like no one's going to be on the other end of that line. Same Aaron. That's why the next thing, so I pressed the ring thing, and then I was like, let me call.

And he like kept up. I was like, I want to call. Because that's the, that's the fear is like, how do I know someone's going to answer? How do I know someone's going to come? So I really hope for us that we both. Did anybody answer? He didn't let me do the second part

because I freaked him out with the thing that I rang the whole building with the bell. But I really related to you on that. And then Ariel really related to Sarah because she's always talking to the pilots yes and I always tell Amanda I was like and you put that can't I do that like I need to walk up to the front of the plane and talk Aaron you just have to push your way up Sarah has no like pass but you're in first class Aaron let's be honest you're right there next to the fucking pilot I don't know if they know who's where

though no but like I just need to talk to the pilot and I let me tell you about Ariel I know I know Boeing numbers how many seats are on the plane and like every very Sarah Foster she knows that she's going on a trip soon and she knows that she's going on a trip soon and she knows the engine is a rolls voice engine which isn't good it sounds good it's not good it's not good i search the engine no but you're claustrophobic and not afraid of elevators uh airplanes airplanes to me it's like i'm not afraid of um like that door is going to open there's windows and like that door it's not like an electronic door that could get like could malfunction like you can turn a knob and like push that door open i can get off that plane obviously i can't get off a plane when it's flying but the whole plane is

like electronically like put together no but i'm not afraid of crashing i'm not afraid of an elevator dropping okay me same because i get you understand this i just want to be stuck somewhere we we're stuck in a plane if we could control it and it wasn't like let me press this button and it'll open because it's like a hundred thousand year old elevator will probably like fucking malfunction so she's saying the the the because for me in a bathroom let's say if there's a window i can crawl out right exactly just like i'll lock any door that has a window you put up like a few days ago the cops came to some restaurant you were at because someone got stuck in the bathroom that fucking scared it really it really set me back i got to be honest it really

i'm not kidding you know why and you'll really relate to this is because the lock that i'm pretty comfortable with is just like a traditional deadbolt right like it goes in it goes out right like there's nothing bad that can happen this guy was stuck in the bathroom from a traditional just regular dead bull that goes left and right left and right like it's the easiest thing in the world somehow it got stuck it just wouldn't turn back now i'm like so fucked beyond words. I can't even. My husband gets so mad at me because we'll go places and I'll go to the bathroom and he'll go to the bathroom and then he'll like kind of wait for me and then someone will come.

So I don't always lock it as my point because like I am claustrophobic and he gets really upset with me because he's super like protective over me. So he's sure that like men are coming in are like, that hot chick is peeing. You know, let me get with her. And so, which is nice that he thinks that. Yeah, sweet. Simon waits outside bathroom for us for me all the time. I went to the bathroom this morning

at Rockefeller Center, literally at the Today Show. There's one bathroom for Clang. What does that mean? What does that mean? Sorry, this is something you don't know. Or like say something fancy. Well, we have to tell people

so how insecure I was today because Erin, before coming and doing my podcast, which I'm so appreciative of, she was at the friggin' today show. Yeah. Doing big things. Yeah, doing big things. What were we talking about there,

about the Bumble stuff? We're doing that. here in New York doing this partnership with Tide. So basically Tide has a new product. I don't have to like hawk it on your podcast. Like Tide the laundry? Yeah, Tide Laundry. They basically have like a high end version of Tide now called Studio and like things that you'd be scared

to wash because they're too delicate or like important to you that you don't want to ruin them. You can wash them in studio without worrying about it. In studio is like the type of product that it is. By Tide. Yeah. Yeah. Studio by Tide. So we did the Today Show for that and there's only like one bathroom for the whole like.

like floor or something. I don't know why that is. I'm picturing today's show being on the bottom, though, right? Yeah, it was like below ground almost. It was like you took one floor down maybe. Oh, okay. Because you see Rockefeller Center from the windows. Yeah, but I think it's like right one below the street.

And the lock was a dead bull, and I was so traumatized by that thing that I was like, I'm just not going to lock it. And there were like a million crew guys around. I was like, listen, someone's going to clearly walk in on me with my pants down, but at least I won't be locked in here. No, you know, like, how many times I've been in there. Peeing while I'm standing, doing this thing where I'm trying to reach the door. Like, close the door. I know that stands so well.

Do you know what? The thing is, like, I feel, this is why I probably felt connected to you from the beginning. Because I feel like when people have a little bit of anxiety, I'm just like, I get them. Like, I've made so many friends that way just because, so if you don't have issues, don't talk to me. I agree. Just because, like, it's such a relatable thing. and like when you feel it makes someone you connect to them like a lot more just because it's true and you don't feel alone too like you feel so stupid in these little things and you wish you could get out of them and grow out of them and to know that we're probably not the only ones yeah hopefully

it's true it's true it's very it's very bonding even air foster you guys even she has real issues she has real issues so bumble which is uh what your your creative partner on bumble Yeah, Sarah and I are heads of creative. And you were starting to tell me before, because I was saying that I met you guys at the, when you were doing a panel in New York. So you were saying that you weren't even creative directors yet. You were on a panel. No, that's when we met Whitney.

So basically Bumble reach out to whoever it is that like books us, you know, our managers or whatever and said, well, Aaron and Sarah come to New York and do this panel with Whitney Wolf at Bumble, at a Bumble hive. And we had never done any work with Bumble before. We never met Whitney. And we were like, yeah, that sounds so fun. like come and talk about women in business and working with family and all these things. And so we went and you were there.

It was so fun. It was so fun. Were you there too? Yeah, I went with her. It was so fun and so interesting. It was really great. And I mean, I was drunk. So I think that really brings out the best in me.

And sorry, you guys don't get to see it today. Sorry. Sorry, but Whitney and Sarah and I just had a really good vibe. And after that, we had a drink. And she was like, we're launching Bumble biz and bumble BFF. And we really need people. to come on board that can help really like, I guess, penetrate different circles of people and get the word out there and be front facing because Whitney can't cover it all. And so we

started kind of working on what that would look like. So are you part of the Bumble, the regular Bumble too now of everything? Yeah. I mean, we really were brought on to help the launch of Bumble biz and BFF, but it's all one company. And so if you have an idea that's more for date than you do date and for, you know, for the others. And so we, We were just in Toronto, like three days ago doing a, I really want to do more of these events. Sarah and I had a great time. We did an event that Jessica Mulroney put together as she lives in Toronto. She's like a figure in Toronto.

She's, I think she's a stylist and she's like married to Ben Mulroney, who's the prime minister's son. And he has a, I think, maybe E talk show or something. Yeah, because that name is really familiar. And we basically did this mentoring event where women on Bumble signed up and signed up to be mentored. by like one of five people and one of the people was like me and Sarah as a combo and so 45 women or something came and you all had like stations and they would sit with us and they would get like 10 minutes uninterrupted of just like business advice or life advice or whatever their thing was and it was really cool yeah I saw you put up a bunch of like just people that you men and what

they're doing because all these women were we're going you know I have this business or I have this idea I have this account I make jewelry or I have I run this business or that and I don't how to get the word out there. I don't know how to get people to know about it. I'm working so hard and I'm not getting traction or my audience isn't growing. And I just thought like, well, I have an audience. And so why don't I put you up on here and see if it does anything? That's a really nice thing to do. Yeah. Thank you. You could tell there are a lot of people like just in the business and on Instagram who like literally just don't want to give you credit for anything. And there are people like you and other people that, you know, are willing to even support. I mean, you know what that means to

them, that's probably like a huge, huge deal to them. So that's awesome. I mean, I think Bumble's big thing is like what everyone has a, BFF once, remember? Who did you? I mean, listen, I say that I'm honest, I'll be honest. When did I do it when I moved here? You might have. I didn't go well for you. It's kind of, it's weird. For so I know that it's hard to get used to the idea of like finding a friend via like a kind of like a, like a dating, like app. I think people definitely aren't used to it yet and I think I mean there's a couple things at play I don't know what your experience was but obviously very brief so I don't think I can like speak on it right right but obviously like because I like felt weird about it you know of course I listen I think it doesn't feel

comfortable for a lot of people to think of finding a friend online but we've used it a lot to try to promote it and we have to spend like an afternoon with someone or whatever and the truth is is we've met these really like normal non weird non weird non weirdos like like really normal, like successful, interesting, cool women. And they're like, I'm Swedish and my husband moved to New York for work and I don't know anyone. And I'm just trying to like find girls that are my age that will go like work out with me or get a drink or something or all my friends are married or all my friends are work friends.

I need people who are this or that. And like the way that I kind of think about it too is in my 20s, I kind of had the friend group that was given to me based on where I went to high school and where I was in the world. And sometimes I used to wish my friends were more eclectic and more artistic and more edgy. And maybe we would like make movies together and be like creative. And I didn't really have those friends. My friends, we weren't like sitting at home like writing scripts together. Like, you know, I wanted like creative, funny.

And I had to go find that circle of people. And it wasn't like something that I found naturally. So I had to find it by finding like a comedy theater company or something. And so this is your real like experience. Yeah. This is my real experience. And so when I think of an app like Bumble BFF, I go, oh, you can like create the type of friends that you want based on looking at people and being like, oh, this person is 27 and she's a director or she's like a editor and you're like, oh, let's like make stuff together. Like that's my version, but there can be a million versions.

Yeah, right. But maybe it's also weird to people. I don't know. That's super cool. I mean, I think it's something to get used to. It's something to get used to. Because dating apps also used to be weird. Yeah.

I mean, there's a million dating apps. They're all really successful. Yeah, but I'm saying they were weird at the beginning. Yeah, it used to be embarrassing to say you met someone on a dating app and now it's so normal. So I think it's going to normalize. It's just a bumble sort of the first one to do it. And even business thing I really think is such an important thing for women to have because there are so many women, there's so many people, but we're just like we're focused on women

right now, right? So there's so many women who have an idea but they don't have a business partner or they have like a company, but they need someone to help them with it. or they lost their job and they need to get hired. And, like, it's a really great resource for women who are ambitious or they lost their job or they got laid off or, like, they want to be around other ambitious women or they want to start a company and they need people to do it with. Yeah. It's just like a great resource. No, it sounds really, really cool.

I don't sound like I'm hawking it, but I actually believe in it. No, I know. I know. It does sound like you really believe in it. It does sound cool. You kind of made me, like, made me, like, re-believe in it, you know? I think it's just like, it depends how, I don't remember when. I think we even downloaded it before you.

were doing it. It was even before. And I think I was like, oh, like, let me try this. Like, because me and my husband just moved here in 2015 after I spent five years in Israel. So my college friends was kind of like, my high school friends are all like weirdos. So I was like, I lost touch with them, lost touch with college. And it was sort of like, oh, my friends are in Israel. Yeah. So it's kind of that, like, the Swedish girl. Yeah. So I was like, oh, let me do this. But I think it's a personality. And like, I probably need to shave off like layers of ego before I do that. I'm sure it takes time getting used to that.

I was like, why are you like writing to me are you in love with me? You know, it's like kind of like, what's happening? Yeah, I get it. You're like, I'm above this. I don't need to like find friends on an app. But listen, also like it's like when some girl goes, I went on a bumble date and had a really bad date. It's like, well, we can't be held responsible for like the quality of guys that you pick to go out with. It's like a bar.

Yeah. The bar isn't responsible for them being like an asshole in the bar. And then you're an advisor on get the mirror. Yes, the mirror. We love the mirror. Should we get the mirror? It's really amazing. I have to say. You use it? Oh, yeah. I go to the gym like maybe three days a week and then

they off days. Yeah, I met Simon at the gym. I don't see it on your Instagram, Erin. You met Simon at the gym? Oh, that's a good story. Like usually people that go to the gym post about it. You don't. I feel like I do. Don't I? I don't think so. I don't think so. Because like I need to know how people start talking at the gym. Yeah, so tell you. Um, so we go to a gym called studio, not to be confused of studio by Tide. Studio with an E. It was like this company that was started in Vancouver. And it's really, really small. It's like a small little office building where you have to be with a trainer to work out there. So they have a team of trainers. You pick kind of the people you vibe with. Let's say you go Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 9 a.m. Like if you have to move to noon one day because

you're busy, they have a different trainer available at noon. So you go and you have one-on-one training, but it's really small. So there's only like three people in there at a time. And Simon and I were on the same schedule. So I would see him like Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 9 a.m. And I just like thought he was really cute and he wasn't hitting on me. And I was kind of like, I just became very curious about him. And so I, um, found him on Instagram. And I just knew his name was Simon. I don't know anything about him or how old he was or anything. And he was private. And I was like, I'm very curious about this person. And so I requested him. And he waited like two days. Before he accepted. Oh, my God. Wait, did he admit now that it was like on perp? Yes, of course.

He saw it come in. He was like, oh, she wants me. he like knew right away and he had a really good game he's like a phenomenal game really what was it a game he just like he's very confident and he he like knew how to make it so that i was working for it and then as soon and then he took over so he just like knew the right rhythm and so uh i requested him and then when he let me in to his instagram he didn't like he didn't like message me or say hi or anything you just accepted just accepted me peasant and i looked through his thinking to look for red flags. I was looking for a girlfriend.

I was looking for hose. I was looking for clothes. I was looking for like bottle service. Like what? Where are the red flags? And I didn't see any of it. Oh my God. I saw like basketball games and nieces and nephews and like his parents.

It was like very tame. And I'm like, okay, this guy seems really sweet. And then he still wasn't asking me out. And I was filming myself exercising because I think I have posted it before. Oh, really? And he was making fun of me in the background. And so I tagged him in. it and then he then he wrote me was like i have like 300 friend requests or something like what did you

do i'm a really private person i was like got your attention and then he asked me out to like juice after we worked out well and they were like not we're like no makeup sweaty gross and we went to have juice and we talked for like an hour and a half that's the best way though yeah it was really cute we just had this this vibe and he was like i don't want to settle down i'm not interested in I was just going to ask if he was like looking. No, he was like, I'm not looking. And he was 33 and I was 35. And I was like, all right, cool. You're like, same. I was like actually truthfully, I mean, even though I was 35 and I'm 36 now and obviously I need to be looking, I was kind of not in a place where I was looking. Because like when you turn, you're 31,

you're 26. I don't know. Something happens. You're already married. So it's like there's less pressure. But when you are 35, something happens where you're not. in your early 30s anymore. You can't get away with being like, I have time. I don't know. I'm just like, I'm figuring it out. People start to ask you if you plan on adopting. Like, people just give up on you. And people think it's like a very scary age to stay out loud. And it kind of scares guys off because it feels like you're in major panic mode. Like you're going to want a baby like the minute you meet. Women kind of treat you like they feel sorry for you. Like you really haven't figured it out. And it's too late to figure it out. And I really hated that feeling. And I was just like,

I refuse to be the girl that's like freaking out and panicking and trying to turn every date into like, is this my husband? I just like don't want to be that person. So I took the pressure off myself and I was like, I'm going to go out with whoever I want to go out with. I'm not going to like force some relationship that's not meant for me. And I'm just going to like live my life. And I just tried to take the pressure off. And so when Simon said that to me, I was like, great. I'm actually not in a place where I'm trying to force anything either. And we started hanging out and we really liked each other. and, like, I had a crush on him, but I believed what he told me. So I did not try to force anything.

And then I went on a trip to New York, and I went out with somebody else. How'd you know it wasn't, like, exclusive? Because we hadn't even, like, slept together. Oh, okay. It was like the beginning. It was a very beginning. And then he was like, when do you get back to L.A., I'm going to pick you up from the airport. I was like, you don't pick up people up from the airport.

That's a good thing in L.A. right? You do not do that. Because the traffic? It's just like, it's just too hard to do. Okay. And I was like, that's really nice. And I was really nervous. And I, like, put makeup on on the airplane.

I was, like, drank, like, two glasses of wine. I was like, I was like, this feels, like, embarrassing. I'm, like, wheeling my bag. You know, it's just, like, awkward. And you don't know each other that well. And I just, like, have my little, like, away roller. And I just felt, like, kind of stupid. And then he picked me up and, like, I got in the car and we're, like, holding hands.

And we, like, kissed on the lips. And I was like, it's so weird. This, like, feels like he's my boyfriend, even though he's not. And then he said to me, we got home. when he was like, okay, I could tell you with somebody else in New York. You went on a date with somebody else. I really didn't like it.

I did not like how that felt. How did you know? I guess I'm just really bad at, you know what I think? I think when you're trying to make someone jealous, it doesn't work. And when you're really not trying to, they feel it. So you weren't?

I was not. You weren't like, oh, I have to go. I'm going to dinner with someone. It wasn't like that. I think I just was like probably talking to him and then I stopped communicating for a while. Yeah, yeah. And so he felt it.

And he was like, I didn't like that. And I'm going to take you on a proper date. And I think you need to, like, pay more attention to what's happening here. Because I think, like, something important is happening. And I was like, okay. And then we went on, like, one real date. And he was like, do you have a feeling that I might be your person? Shut up.

Honestly, I do. He's like, so do I. I was like, okay, well, I think you are. He was like, me too. It was crazy. And he really is. Well, that's so amazing. But see, that's a thing, like, I really do.

And I'm not a cliche, kitsy person. But I really do believe that it's, worth waiting for like the real thing like when you see even friends of mine who have settled or tried and it doesn't work to settle because I've seen friends you know fighting for the same relationship it's not working you keep on breaking up piece of piece of shit and you're honest and they hate you for it and it happens again again and you're like don't be anyone to say like don't be fucking afraid that you won't be with anyone because you feel it you so feel it when someone's in a relationship because they're just like scared yeah they won't be in one if they don't

hold on to this thing because they put the time in it So I really do believe that the right person does come. I also do believe people meet for a reason, you know, like the gym thing, the same time, the same days. It's true. I feel like it all happens for a reason at the time that it's supposed to happen. And then you let go sort of at that time. And it usually does happen when you like kind of let go.

Yeah, you're not expecting anything, yeah. But I also think because, I mean, there are a lot of women who go, you know, there's so many assholes out there and there's some shitty guys and like there's no options and this and that. But like, you really have to. be accountable for your own circumstances. And I dated a lot of really, really bad people, like really shitty guys. But I was a part of that relationship, too. And I could have walked away way faster than I did.

And so there are a lot of women who put up with something that they don't deserve. But it's on you if you're there for two years. Because like those are two precious years that you could have had working on yourself. And if you're not going to therapy and you're not looking at your own shit and you're not understanding what your patterns are and your bad habits are, you will not find the right person because if he puts himself in front of you, you won't know what to do with him. And by the time I met Simon, I had done so much work on myself and I had been with so many shitty fucking people that I actually knew the difference between something good and real

and something like fake and obsessive and like bullshit. And I just was ready for it for the first time for the first time. So it doesn't just present itself to you and it just like you, you, you aren't entitled to it. You have to earn it. Like it's hard. you know and you have like you know relationships are hard you have to like know yourself you have to know yourself you really have to be willing to put in the work and so i just think some people blame everybody else but like it it's partially my fault that there's a sociopath that i was with for a year it's his fault for being a sociopath but like it's my fault for dating in like dating in l.a or in new york because in new york i just feel like if you're not on a dating app

there is no way you're meeting anybody you know what it's hard it's hard because like In New York. In New York. Because like, it's so fast. Everyone's running. Like, it's really hard. Like meeting someone at a bar. It's like, where are you going to meet someone?

If you're not in some sort of framework, if you're not at a meeting a friend job. That's so interesting because it feels to me like New York has so many opportunities. Not that you're like bumping into someone on the street necessarily like a movie, but that you just are around people all the time. In L.A., everything is events and it's the same 30 people over and over and over again. Yeah. there's like a movie scene and an art scene and a writer's scene. And if you're in one scene, you're just seeing the same people every,

every dinner I go to in LA is the same people. Wait, Aaron, do people slide into your DMs, like dudes? Guys? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like, I always like screenshot them and send him to Simon to remind him that he's lucky and that other people want me. But honestly, I get more DMs from girls saying we should be friends.

I get so many requests from girls being like, I'm coming to LA in two weeks, and I just know that we would be the best friends. Like, do you want to get lunch? And I'm just like, no. I mean, I can't have lunch to the stranger. I really want to say, I know I've said it a lot. But you're saying such, like, true, valid. Thank you.

You know, we're really deep today. Well, she's a wise. 36. I have so much wisdom to share it. How many years of wisdom. But I just want to say again that, like, I swear to God, and Ariel will tell you this. Like, I knew when we started the podcast, like, that I would ask you to do it.

And I was like, I have to. to ask Aaron, have to ask Aaron, just because, like, I really feel like, just when I, you're part of, like, when I started Instagram, and I, and I started it, like, really just, like, it was actually when I moved here and I was, like, depressed and I was like, uh, because, like, when you're depressed, good things come out of it, you know, then you write and then you're, like, yeah, you do things. So, so I, and then, um, you were friendly to me on Instagram and I remember just always thinking of you in a really, like, in a really positive way. And always saying, like when when I started the podcast I told like my producer like I'm going to ask Aaron

Foster and then you said yes because you're so cute of course I said yes I was so excited to be here I know I'm so like insecure no no let me tell you why I'm insecure okay we said she came from the today show check one okay check two I was like oh my god she's been to Kim Kardashian's house and she's coming to my house like what am I going to do so yes and then I said that to myself as an insecure thing I was like Aaron been to Kim Kardashian's house and she's coming to my house because I record my house. I've actually never been to her house, I don't think, is the truth

I'm being honest. I don't think I ever have. I'm like thinking for you. I'm like, where are you that time? I went to some, I went to like a makeup launch of hers or something last summer, but I don't think it was at her house. It was someone else's house, I think. But Sarah was in her house with baby shower. So I said this to myself in a leg,

Aaron, like, grew up with Kim in her house. But then Sarah, who joined you today in New York, right, was stayed in L.A. for the shower? No, we were both in Toronto Wednesday to Friday. She went back to L.A. Yeah, because she has kids.

So basically, we were both in we were in Toronto, Wednesday, a Friday, and then we had to be in New York for work Monday, Tuesday. So I was like, well, I'm going to go to New York and see our little sister and her baby and hang for the week to the weekend. And I got the invite to Kim's baby shower and it was during the weekend. And, like, I'm going to run a lot of people there.

So you guys are like in the... I thought it would be a lot bigger from what I saw. And I couldn't go. Like RASVP, no? Yeah, R's a lot. No. I know. And I wrote her.

And I wrote her. I said, Kim, I have to do the non-skating on podcast. I can't be there. I have bigger things to do. Okay, I'm sorry if you're like friends with Kim. I love the Kardashians. But the CBD baby showers kind of, it's a funny theme to do for a baby shower. It's very like, especially because I don't know if you're pregnant.

Oh, if you can take CBD? I have no idea. I think you might because it's not T.HC. No, you can't because I got sent CBD, which I'm so anxious. that I can't even fucking get myself to do it. No, listen, I actually took it one day. I took it. I'm like sitting at home and I'm like, she had like the placebo effect.

No, he literally was like, I'm so. She's like, oh, hi, hi. First of all I looked up a thousand times that it was like no THC. I really relate to this. I know, babe. I'm telling you to know that, like, Kim, because I did know her when we were younger, but again, if you remember from earlier, I wasn't cool, right? So I was the one that like Sarah's friends would like have to say hi to me

or they would like ignore me or they'd be like, oh, God, like, Let's pretend like I don't know her. She's Sarah's age, I think. Maybe she's a year older, but I think they're the same age. And they were kind of closer than I ever was. I wasn't directly friends with her. I was the little sister that was always around. So we always are around each other, but she didn't like give me the time of day.

And I saw her after she became famous at like a nail salon. I was like, I'm sure she's not going to say hi to me because like we grew up around each other. But like, if you can ignore someone from high school, you do. You know? Right, especially if you become Kim Kardashian. You definitely can. And she, like, walked over to me with her pedicure, like, toes. It was like, hi, Erin, what are you doing?

She is exactly the same person today. It's the weirdest thing to be that famous, and it didn't change her. She has the same personality. She's still as nice. And, like, all text her or, like, do you have her random things? Like, can I talk to your fertility doctor? Or do you have this person's thing? And she writes back right away.

She's very on top of, like, if you need something or help, she's just, like, very responsive. You know what I heard. I heard someone talk about the Cardassie. Kardashians lately, because a lot of times you do hear really bad things. And I mean, I'm a Kardashian fan, but someone said, like, have you ever heard anyone who worked with them, makeup people, stylists? They didn't like said something bad about them. Like, no, because they're probably good to work with and they're probably nice and respectful.

It's true. Yeah. And I think that, you know, even if you have your opinions, which everyone's entitled to with different things in their life or their show or anything like that, they are nice people. you know you can't take that away from them and and maybe that's not the most important quality to somebody but but they have it yeah i mean i'm all i'm in for the ride like whatever they're selling i mean not selling because i don't like buy the stuff um but i did put your deodor in so if i smell so Aaron influenced me everyone she got me one too I got my cute sister because I bought two it's so cute you got one because I posted about it no I asked you about it Aaron I was like does it really work or isn't an ad and you said it really does but let me tell you guys it's sticky it's sticky

I mean like sweating it's sticky but that's the problem with natural deodorant I think that they're all kind of sick you know what's worse cancer

I know I know true cancer is like pretty brutal I know stop yeah more than being sticky I'm just saying but Aaron

I know I have to do everything like you're pretty good you do like the natural deodorant we're talking about a natural deodorant that Aaron recommended

on her Instagram and then you also I saw you do like the freaking nail polish you take it to the sun I'm wearing it out with me that's great I think so you're doing everything organic like body lotion like everything I really am trying I mean at the end of the day it's like and I don't know if you guys eat like organic food or whatever but like I really truly believe that if you are putting like chemicals and toxic shit in your body like what do you think is going to happen you think your body just like naturally absorbs it digest it doesn't people that fucking gets it that's my I know it's super immature but what always comes to mind to me is like what about people that aren't putting all that shit in them and they are avoiding yummy things and they get sick.

right well they have a phone on their body omitting like nasty fucking rays all the time and they're eating bad food all the time in restaurants and like you are like everywhere we go we're covered in like fucking toxic shit all the time so everyone's vulnerable to a different degree try to just

limit the toxins knocking on wood I know Simon always tells you it's very Jewish to like not oh is you Jewish? Yeah I have to convert him more when you have to come around yeah I get to convert

Oh this exciting you're going to be a Jew? Yeah. I mean, if you know, he's not the shim. Liam's waking up. That's amazing.

Yeah. Wow. That's a Charlotte. Yeah. I know. I was just asking him today. I was like, is it true that they say no the first three times?

He was like, no. I've never heard of that. Wait, he probably doesn't know, though. Like, what it takes to convert. Is it true?

Is it true? I don't think it's true. It's fine not true. But it's, I mean, it's, the fact that you're going to do it is a huge deal. It is a big deal. How do you feel about that?

it's complicated for sure i mean because it's one thing to say you're going to do something and then when you actually start to like to because his family is religious or just to get married like on it's more important to simon than i think i mean yes i think for his family they're russian jews and it's very important like his parents are immigrants he's first generation so it's i think from russia from russia i think it's a much more uh it's not that they're more religious than my other jewish friends but i think it means something different to an immigrant who like couldn't be Jewish where they lived. And so I think it's a complicated issue, but it's something that for me, like Simon has

really great family values and he comes from a really loving home with parents who are married to each other. And he's like, I know how to build a home that has like stability and consistency and values and traditions. And I was like, I want that, you know? And I don't know how to give that to kids because I didn't have that. So if that means being Jewish, then like, sign me up. Yay, welcome.

Thank you. Free welcome. Okay, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back. What I did want to ask you about that was important, just because we're the same, is that we're three sisters. And I actually talked about it with Ariel like at other times because I know that. you and Sarah do like everything together. Yeah.

And you have a third sister here, Jordan, who's, um, what is she, is she, she's a stylist. So how does that work like, does she get jealous? Is she like, I'm living my own life? Like, I don't care. Like, is it hard? She doesn't get jealous because Jordan, like, really doesn't want the spotlight. She does not like attention. And obviously Sarah and I love attention.

Sarah and I's partnership was not intentional. Like, we didn't set out to be partners. So it wasn't like we embarked on something without Jordan. like I was a writer I was an actress in my 20s but like a failed actress Sarah was a working actress and I was a writer

and this show idea came about barely famous where it made sense for us to put ourselves in it and write it and create it and produce it and Jordan didn't want to be a part of it because she's not in that world she does not want to be in Hollywood she doesn't live in L.A.

She doesn't like the vibe all the things that are bad about L.A. like really bother Jordan. She just doesn't care to be around it and so she was really happy for us. She honestly is way better than us. She's cool. She's way cool than we are. She's really happy for us. Like in our success. She's very happy for us. And like Jordan and I are really close. And I call her and complain about Sarah so

much. That's great. That I think she's like, I think I'm lucky that I'm not in business with my sister because it's like, she doesn't have that extra layer of like. Yeah. It can be really toxic. When you're working with your sister, I don't know if it's, you guys seem very peaceful. But Sarah and I fight all the time. And Jordan's like, feel so grateful that she removed herself so that she can have a healthy relationship with everyone and not have to be but i think for her it's weird probably that people refer to the foster sisters and like she's a foster sister too i think people probably not a lot of people know yeah they think that she they don't know she exists but she thinks that people like don't bring it up around her because they assume it bothers her that she's like

jealous but she really isn't but she's like happy for you she chooses that she chooses that's what she wants it she doesn't give a shit with us it's like well i have my own thing and then i brought Ariel to do the podcast with me, just because I was like, I won't talk to myself. Like, duh. And also, she and I talk about, like, celebrity gossip and stuff like that. So it made sense. And, like, my older sister, we love just the same doesn't know who, like, the difference between, like, Kim and Courtney.

So, like, obviously, she's not going to be part of this. She's less than it, yeah. And I feel like, she can sometimes not think about that and just, like, be upset. Yeah. Or, like, think about the thing, though. She's not in. Right. Yeah.

But you're like, but you don't even really want to talk about that. I feel like for her I would take the road of like well I'm cooler than like that so like you have a little Jordan in her life she needs to have a Jordan in her life and like that's what I feel like she has a baby she's like married so I feel like she should you know be happy in her own thing and I feel like that's what it seemed like from your guys a situation like she has her own thing she's not lucky because Jordan we just never had that conflict it's never been an argument and it's so interesting because with three I feel like there's always a number group of three friends there's like two that are closer like it's hard with a group of three but it's really unique that you guys have that relationship three is really tough i think we're really lucky that we all figured out kind of who we were and what we wanted to do at a perfect time and so there is no like competitiveness yeah Aaron thank you so much for being here i'd want to talk to you about like a million more things i'm i'm really looking forward to seeing like anything from you guys like on tv thank you well it's great to talk to you guys thank you so much thank you guys for tuning in to another

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