Not Skinny But Not Fat - Comments By Celebs...Are Just As Celeb Obsessed As I Am!

Episode Date: August 27, 2019

The girls behind the mega Instagram account Comments By Celebs, Emma & Julie join NSBNF! The girls from CBC tell us how they started their celeb-centric account, their favorite reality show, their most exciting celebrity follower, and their long term goals. I found two girls as celeb obsessed as I am - you don’t want to miss this!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I would get a text from her every single day. Don't tell anybody about the council. But don't unfollow this one person. It's my hairdresser. I told her about the cat. Don't unfollow this one person. It's my nutrition. Don't unfil this one person.

I bought carrots from this one person on a vendor on the street. And I told her to follow it. This is not skinny but not fat. And I'm your host, Amanda, here to bring you the latest in all pop culture news, celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps. Anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Hey, guys, welcome to another week of the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast.

I have not one but two very lovely, beautiful guests. I have the girls from the giant, Gynormo Instagram account comments by celebs. Emma and Julie. Hi. Hi, girls. We go way back. Yes, we do. Yes.

I kind of feel like I know you from the beginning of your time on Instagram. For sure. What happened? Is that we made a meme and we message it to you? Is that what happens? I made a meme. Like, nothing to do with comments. Like, I just made a meme. Okay, I'll tell you exactly what it was. Because I think we talked about this when we met the first time. It was Scott Dissig started dating Sophia Richie. And it was something like Scott is out with his kid. But it was funny. I know them. Wait on telling me. I knew it was funny. But what happened was this story is really funny. Isabel who's with us, who works with us now. Me and Isabel were at school together. and I made the meme, and she was like, give me your phone. I'm going to send it to every meme account and just get it posted. It's really good. I left my phone with her. At the time, Isabel had no idea that we were running comments.

Like, she knew what the account was. Oh, because you kept it from... But we kept it a secret. And that's how she found out was when I was sending the meme because she looked on my camera roll and saw the shared album between me and Emma. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Wait, I need to go back and understand why you kept it a secret. So, wait, if people don't know, because there are probably some...

Of course. Some people in the world that live under. Rock. Comments by Celebs is an Instagram account that did a really smart thing by just posting celeb comments on celeb pictures, right? Yeah, we basically capitalized on Instagram's algorithm change in 2017. So, you know, before if you were scrolling down Instagram, the verified comments would never go to the top. They would get lost. And when that switch was made, we made the account and we just started screenshoting. And we were fascinated by it. And we were like, okay, if we are this interested. We know other people are going to be. And that's kind of how it happened. And what's so

interesting is, I don't know, a couple of weeks ago on our podcast, we had Charles Porch, who's the head of creative partnerships at Instagram. And he said, he was the one who made the algorithm change. And he was like, I made that so that Kylie Jenner, if she wants to see Kendall's comments on her picture, she can see it. He's like, not to get lost in the other 50,000 comments. He's like, never in my wildest dreams that I think that an account like yours was going to be, I'm like, oh, this is such a full circle moment. it is like you wouldn't have been able to start that account if not for it you wouldn't have gone digging no we never I don't even think we would have thought of it and also it would have been impossible to do yeah so I remember you guys when you were start so okay that happened

and then I posted it tagged you personally yeah like your personal account and then and then what happened and then you sent me a message from comments by celebs and we're like I think this would be interesting to you, but I didn't know it was you and it was like some celex chain. It's like I saw your meteoric rise like from the side. Thank you. You were there for it. No, it's a really, it was a really smart idea.

Thank you so much. Do you feel like maintaining it is is hard or once you came up with that idea, it's like you see it. I just witnessed you guys doing that right now. Yes, you just, she saw the behind the scenes. Yeah, you saw the behind the scene. So you saw tell tell us what, what just happened. So we can know kind of what goes on. Yeah, no, we were about to start the podcast.

And Cole Sprouse responded to one of those, like, sex robots that comments on, you know, all the comments section, like, don't look at my story if you don't want to masturbate. And he responds it. And I was like, shit, Iswell, can you post it? Can I curse him this? Yeah. And you were like, oh, my God, I feel like I'm witnessing. We're like, yeah, this is what happens.

Like, it comes in, we format it. We decide the caption 30 seconds and we post it. So how do you decide who, because you're two? So how do you decide who posts it? Do you have like a every day we have to post this amount of post? No, we kind of, we're kind of at the mercy of celebrities in their comments. So what we do is we do two things. One, we have a shared album that we keep adding to throughout the day. So we like decide whether pictures are solo or a roundup. We throw it in the album if it's a roundup. And once we hit

10, then we like post it as a 10 slide roundup. But when it's a solo and it's like really good, then we'll send it back and forth to each other, come up with the caption together and then post it. So everything we do is like together. Together. And how do you know each other? Like did you grow up together? No, so we both met at Syracuse. I was a senior and Julie was a sophomore and we were in the same sorority and I was the co-recruitment chair for our sorority. Oh my God. Did she haze you? No, not not. What happened was I, you know, obviously needed to know the freshman girls and I didn't know them. I was a senior. So I enlisted Julie in this other group of sophomore girls that I felt like had a good handle and we just became close and we, this is like genuinely the story. We really became close because

we were in a group chat just about the Kardashians with like girls that we weren't even that close with like just girls that were obsessed with the Kardashians and we Julie and I really started talking that's the kind of how this all started and your best friends I mean we are it's more than best friends I think you know people always say like oh were you best friends when you're started I was like we were friends but we're we're family now like your family now because they the account like brought you're we're literally a married couple you're live together no no but we don't live together but we um I mean when we're in the city we kind of it's a yeah it's a confusing situation And when we're in the city, we stay together at Emma's apartment.

So, like, a couple of days that we work together. So you don't have significant others right now? No, not right now. And also, you know, I'm 24, Julie's 22. Oh, you're babies. We're young. You're bait. So you graduated.

I graduated in 2018. Oh, yeah. But you're 22. Oh, yeah, you graduate when you're 20. I forgot. I'm 30 years older than fucking Julie. No, I seriously can't deal with that. How am I 10 years older than you?

I don't know. I feel like you're already. I feel like I'm here too. Maybe that's like up of me then. No, it's amazing. Maybe you look amazing for your age. Yeah. I think that's what we've just established it is. Okay. Okay. I'm down with that. Wait, so Syracuse had a really good communications program because I remember I was going to do that. And the other of us were in it. Yeah, neither was were in it. So what did you go for? I was in communication rhetorical studies, like not Newhouse. It was like human interaction, the art of persuasion. I minored in business. And I was a psych major. Like, I was set to go to school. I was going to go to school for forensic psychology. Shut the fuck up.

And then you decided to, like, be on Instagram. Well, it's the, what happened was I took a year off after I graduated and then I went to Columbia to get my master's in social work. And I finished my first year there and like the last month or two when it really started to blow up. And I was like, to my parents, I have to defer. I just have to. Like, this is happening.

It's really big. Like Kelly Ripa started talking about us on live and, you know, the account was growing. We grew like 100,000 followers in 10 days. And that was the rate. Like it was like every 10 days. At one point. No, but it, what do you mean at one point? It got to, what are you at now, a million something?

Yeah, we're at 1.2. So it's definitely slowed down since then in like terms of like followers per week. Yeah. But there was a time where we like, it was a jump from 100,000 to 200,000 was like 10 to 12 days. And then from then, it's the same. Well, so right now we're in August. Last February, we were at 80,000. So now we're at 1.2 million.

So we grew like, that's fucking crazy. I know. Do you think it all. comes down to celebs being narcissistic and like loving because it's because basically the celebrity is the common on your post and engage and maybe share they they don't really share it do sometimes occasionally yeah they do um comment on it send it to other celebrities you think it's the is it the celebrities that like made this account blow up or is it like people like me and you who just love seeing that shit so it's a combination of a couple of things I think

it's one people like us because you know when we made the account count, we were like, if we are this interested, other people are going to be. So that's one. The second thing is that the media, we really, initially we started as just humor, but now it's really become a leading source of entertainment news because so many things happen on Instagram. Like, romances are confirmed by comments or pregnancy rumors or this and that. So what was happening? We broke the Pete and Ariana's story because they both commented an emoji. So when it was rumored that they were dating, they hadn't confirmed it and they, like, commented a hard

emoji. Pete commented a hard emoji on Ariana's post. And we posted it and that confirmed their relationship. Oh, I see. Okay. So that's like big because now most of our posts, at least a couple of them a day, get embedded and get, you know, made into headlines and articles. Oh, I see what you're saying. So you think that was like a propeller of this, that it became like, oh, this happened. So it's like celebrity news now.

That was, yeah, that was the second thing. And then, yeah, I mean, listen, the celebrity angle is huge. They all have massive followings. And we feel really fortunate to have a large celebrity following. And they've gotten on board and really gotten behind it. whether they're talking about it on, you know, TV or this or that, like it, yes, it's so crazy to talk about. Yeah, but did you think, like, when you started it, did you start it from a place of we want to be

a huge Instagram account or we like doing this so we'll just give it a go? Like, where did it, how did it stem? Oh my God, it was a hobby. I was like, well, no, I said Julie. I was like, this is genius and I think it's going to be huge, but this is also just so much fun and it's funny. And let's just do it and see what happens. Like, never did I think I was going to be deferring grad school, you know?

That's crazy that you believe. in it's so much and felt like you needed to focus all your time on it. I really did. I think it was because we had such. Like Columbia, Instagram. Like you chose Instagram. I know. It's crazy.

That's crazy. But I have to tell you when I called the admissions woman to tell her that I was thinking about doing it. She said, she was like, this is happening right now. Like you have to. She's like, we're always going to be here. That's crazy. Yeah.

Wow. When she said it to me originally, I was abroad at the time. It was my junior year abroad and I was in Tel Aviv. Oh, cool. And she'd said to me, and I was like, yeah, I'll do it with you. She's like, do you want to do this with me? I have this amazing idea. It's going to be big.

And I was like, yeah, I'll do it with you. She's like, you don't have to. Like, I can get somebody else. I was like, no, no, it's fine. I'll do it. Like, I just, I didn't think anything of it. And then I was in such a, like, fortunate position that when I graduated college was when it, like, blew up and I just like got out of college.

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that's ns bn f during checkout so are you emma more of the like the the forest behind this like did you take julie with you or did you both like think about it together initially i mean it it was it was my idea and i like made the account but i knew that julie was the person that i wanted to run it would be into it and she loves that shit too Totally. I mean, now it's obviously a collaborative effort. I mean, I guess the initial idea was mine, but I, it's, it's ours fully. That's amazing. It's like our little baby. It's like your baby. Yeah, duh. We're parents with a baby. That's how it feels. You've never seen two, two friends that are this. It's insane. I can't even. And we're like work wives,

you know. Your work wives. So who is the most like the, the celebrity that started following you that you got the most excited about? Um, I think Chrissy. Christy. I mean, like, right, because you do a Chrissy roundup. Yeah. I mean, Andy Cohen was our first, and that was a big deal because we only had 1,200 followers. That's crazy. And I said to Julie, like, what the fuck? You know, but Chrissy was.

Chrissy was a huge one. Christy was Andy, the reason that, like, Andy was so special was because it was like, why is he following us? Like, we haven't gotten there. But when Chrissy followed us, it was like, we were already, like, kind of established and we were already doing the Chrissy thing. And she was such a pillar of the account that we're like, come on, just like, join. And then one day it was like finally got to that point.

And we were like, oh, my God. So it was like an accomplishment. that she started following. Yeah. So she was, you have a Chrissy Roundup because she's so like funny on social media.

We do a Sunday Night Teagan Roundup just on her tweets because a lot of people on Instagram aren't on Twitter. Right. I actually made a Twitter just to go, like I don't,

I'm not like trying to be on Twitter. I'm trying to like look on Twitter. Yeah. Because so many good things I'd see from them and I'm like, wait, I need to get them right away. I think Twitter is genuinely like Instagram aside from what it does like from a cultural standpoint,

Twitter for news and keeping up up with things. I think Twitter is one of the most important things. Yeah. I couldn't imagine keeping up with like everything that's going on in the world right now without having a Twitter. I like preach it to everybody that'll listen. I'm like you have to be on Twitter. She does. Yeah. I don't even tweet anymore. I just get my information. That's a thing. If I think back to when I started my account like my, the like little sentences that I write like memes like that are they're called memes I guess would be more suitable for Twitter. Yeah. All of those memes originated

on Twitter. Yeah. Originated on Twitter. You know because now I just like I write words and then I take them as a photo and put them up but um but sometimes i'm like i should have i should have probably been a twitter person because i like to write you know but now i just go on there to see like what people are saying because i feel like i need to get more celeb news yeah instagram isn't enough yeah and twitter's like incredibly like nuanced in the sense that there are so many different people with information just tweeting random things and it's not it's it's there's no format to it so you just write whatever you're thinking and then it's just like people will do threads with tons and tons of information. That's crazy. So is this your only like occupation right now, the account growing it

like? Yeah. Yeah. We have a podcast that we do biweekly. So we do a Kardashian bonus show on Mondays, which in season is just a recap of the episodes, but out of season right now, like we're on hiatus. So we've been doing deep dives. We did Christian or deep dive today. We did a Caitlin deep dive Kanye or like recap of the best vacations. And it's a different approach, I think, to, to this type of podcasting because it's like if you saw our outlines you would think we're writing a thesis it's like 10 page really intense details we like transcribe the episodes we no no it's crazy yeah no it's crazy I feel so yeah we're crazy fully fully it's really like knowledge is power and like it really we feel like we can perform so much better if we have if we equip ourselves with the stuff like when

when Jordan gate broke I'm not kidding the next morning we went into the studio Jordan gate took me a minute yeah are you kidding when the next morning we went into the studio And we stayed up all night. We made like the most insane outline and we outlined everything. And it went, it went to like number four on the charts because we put so much work into it. Yeah. And like same with the Taylor and Scooter thing that happened. Oh, wow.

I tried to really understand that. I remember the day it happened. I was reading about it. I was like reading every single thing that I could try and understand music law. I was like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. It was so interesting. I was trying to like explain it to people.

Yeah. So that's where we come in for, you know. Where are we coming? Wait, do you think about the Taylor Swift thing that it was for her, like, new song, album? Do you think it was at all publicity or not at all? No, I think that's just her. I think her, it's just genuinely the way she reacts.

She likes to air beefs. Yeah, I think that she, when, something about Taylor that I think we've noticed is that she's very private. Like, when she, her Instagram is just, it's not for personal photos. It's not for anything. It's just for Taylor Swift as a musician and stuff like that. But when she, when she feels wronged, her fans also feel wrong and she likes to keep them in the loop of what's going on and they

you know kind of allow them to run with the narrative that she's giving them yeah it's a lot oh it's a lot it's it's it's because it's i feel like it it it kind of isn't fair when it's like one-sided like you said like if you're public and you like story all day and you like tell us everything or your fans everything and then you're like and then this happened then it makes sense but if you're like posting butterflies and Easter eggs like only and then you're like this happened storm and then they all like storm people it's scary like those T Swifties we were saying is that when we did the episode we were so careful to make it as unbiased as possible which is what we always do like that's always our approach to things but because of the way Taylor Swift fans are a lot of the time we were so careful in doing it

and I have to say we got an amazing response from Taylor Swift fans that are like you did like thank you so much for the way you approached it because like we we tread it so lightly because you guys are a neutral like account like you're you don't take sides or like hate on any celebrity yeah so not our vibe yeah you won't even be like that bitch or bitchy or anything like that you stay super super neutral yeah we like we give our opinions obviously and if like we have an opinion will air it it's just i don't know that and i'm sure you feel the same way like being in you know involved in the world with celebrity journalism is oftentimes so negative and so rude and I guess just coming from like an empathetic human perspective, like what if you were that person, you know?

I know. I try really hard. Like I told you guys before too. Like I'm, I'm not neutral, but I'm not like bitchy or I try to think of things. But sometimes it's like I have to say like what did Chloe do to her face, you know? Or why doesn't she look the same? Or seeing Kylie's bud drives me crazy. And I try to think. And I'm like, especially when Chloe was going through all that, I was like, I can't be like saying bad things about Chloe. I was feeling so bad for her. And I don't mean it in a bad way. I'm actually like, I mean it about the Kardashians that I just like wish they were less done. You know, and the plastic surgery craze drives me crazy. Like when I see everyone in L.A. looking the same or like Hollywood looking the same, it bugs me. And that's, I feel like usually if I hate on something, it's like kind of that, you know? I so got that. Or I was telling you before also that Cole Spouse and Lillie Reinhardt are self-righteous.

So I guess I do hate a little bit. You're not hating. You're just giving your opinion. Well, there's a difference, like, in our minds, like, when we say that we don't hate. Like, there's such a difference between being like, oh, here's our opinion that this couple is fake or this couple is doing it for publicity versus, like, that person looked terrible at that award show they look to sky. Like, which a lot of the times, like, when we were growing up and it was newspapers and people magazine and us, and it was like, who wore it better or like, look at this celebrity, looking terrible in public or this person cellulate. It's like, that's obviously, like, the narrative that we're, like, trying to change as people who report on the news, like, on celebrity news. What I do really respect, I feel like in recent years is that, that there isn't that

weight stuff anymore. Like, have you noticed that? Yeah, I think everyone. Like, no one, even if you notice and you're like, so-and-so gained weight, like, no one talks about it. It's an untie, like, you'll see maybe like a really dingy, gross, like, tabloid baby. But also, like, even if I notice, like, oh, so-and-so put on some pounds, but I'll think it, not in a bad way, just, like, a noticing thing.

But you're like, I'm so glad that it's not, like, in the media, no one's talking about and like that that that is a thing that we have like over well yeah I mean body shaming is shamed now like body shaming is so shamed and I love that I mean we talk about this all the time on our podcast the idea of like I mean I think not just as women but specifically as women there's this you know intense kind of obsession with looks and with weight and all this stuff and to be able to escape that narrative and just be is like such a nice thing and I'm so happy that finally we seem to starting to be you know catch up with that I know it's like it's exhausting I I wish, I mean, I think we all, like, want to be there also with ourselves, like, accept ourselves as we are and, like, love every, you know, curve and it's hard.

You know, every day you have to be like, should I go on diet? Should I not? Should I accept myself and love myself as I am? Should I not? But at least, but at least the narrative on social media and with celebrities in that world, which we're in, is that that's not there anymore, which is fun to see. Yeah. And no one talks about that. Curvy women are popping up, you know, in the media, in the celebrity world.

Hopefully more of them will. Yeah. I think we got a ways to go. But it's definitely much better than when we were growing up. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was like magazines, like just talking about how skinny she is and how she gained weight. And that's all we used to see. I mean, the headlines of magazines little used to be like, Blada Blas steps out, like, like, sporting an extra couple of pounds than the last time.

And it was like, imagine if that was a headline today. Oh, my God. It would get such shit. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. That's good. I'm happy about that. I wanted to go back to the Kardashians because you said that you're, I don't know if we were

talking about this before. We were talking about this before we started the podcast because Julie and Emma, you met in college and you used to be obsessed with the Kardashians and you had a group. Yeah. Just talking about them. Yeah, that was our thing. So are they your like number one reality show? Oh, for sure.

Oh, yeah. It's our reality show. Really? Yeah. I mean, we, you know, I hate using the word, like, diehard fans because it's really, obviously, we're fans, but it's so much more than that. Like, it's genuinely that we are just so, we're in such admiration of what they've built, whether or not you like them, you have to acknowledge that they're making, it's massive. I mean, this is an empire. This doesn't just happen. And we're, we're just fascinated by it. I consider ourselves, like, experts. I don't think there's anything we don't know. We're, I don't know. We're just totally fascinated by them. There are sub pages for, for comments by celebs, right? yes not Kardashians we have comments by Bravo and comments by athletes and comments by influencers and like 10 others that we haven't launched but we'll be launching why won't there be comments by Kardashians it's you know not enough there's a couple things number one if

it's really good we're going to post it on our page and listen I love the Kardashians as much as the next guy but commenting is not their forte like you know what I mean that's not where their thing is and also it's almost like a war on the people that don't want to consider them in our and they are celebrities whether or not you like them they are celebrities so Yeah. If it's a good one, it's going to go on the main page, and that's kind of it. I see. But we had to do in our podcast, like our regular podcast, not the Kardashian bonus show. We do a section that's just a Kardashian recap because, and we preface it by saying, like, listen, I know there are some of you that cringe even hearing their name.

So we're just going to put it all together. And if you don't want to listen, just skip right over it. Okay. You feel that, though? Because, like, I've posted things about the Kardashians. And I feel like you feel like people, like, cringe at their name and don't want to hear about them. So what we get a lot is like for, it's like, you know, it's like, you. You either love the Kardashians or you hate them.

There's really not in between. It's like you're either a fan or you don't want to see them anywhere. People get very upset. But you know what's so weird is that people get really upset about them because they started, what, like 15 years ago? Whereas now people are famous for doing nothing. Like no one gets to talk about. They just hold on to this. You know, what I say is like if you hate the Kardashians, it's because you watched a couple of episodes in 2007 thought they were trashed turned it on and never looked back.

Yeah. And then it's just. It's kept this narrative instead of being like, okay, yeah, they were a lot a lot different in 2007. And now, you know, Kim's becoming a lawyer and Kylie's a billionaire and all of these things. And instead of just being like, you know what, what they've built is incredible, you're holding on to the fact that Kim got her fame from a sex tape. Who cares how you got your fame? Who cares? And also, I'm sure if we look into it, other people got their fame from doing stupid shit.

And no one's still mad at like Paris Hilton or like, so there is something specifically about them that gets people mad. Yeah. It's a combination of a million things. It's how they got their fame. It's the fact that they're also good-looking. It's the fact that they are so wealthy and not afraid to flaunt their wealth. And some can think of that as really ostentatious. You know, they're proudly themselves and they are happy to sexualize themselves. And, you know, there's so much hatred towards them. And it's, I can't tell you, our biggest compliment. I think in all of this account and all of this is two things. Number one, the Taylor Swift fans that were happy about the Taylor Swift podcast. And number two, the people that were like, I never cared about the Kardashians until I started listening. And now I fully, like, I have an appreciation and I get it. And like nothing makes me happy. Because maybe you, I think even in that in those two sentences you just said, like you explained it well, like who they are and why people should care about them. I just enjoy watching them. What did you think of the last season? Oh my God. It was amazing. We did a recap for every episode on our podcast. I just, I can't. Like, I can't get enough of them. You can't get enough of them. Yeah. And how exciting there's a new season in September. September 15. Oh my God. I can't come soon enough. Let me tell you.

kids, like the babies. I could watch them all day. I could do nothing. They could never show me another one of the actual of Kim, any of them, and just show me the babies and I'd be ecstatic. We have this thing, like, among our followers, like people listen to the podcast. We think St. West is the cutest kid on Instagram ever. St. West is so cute. Those cheeks. What, cuter than rain? It's a toss up. I know. It's a toss up. And they're so cute together when they were on Ellen. Yes. And he like sat on him. They are, they are so cute. And they also look like good kids, Like Courtney's kids seem like really like good kids. You know what I mean?

We were talking. We had Simon Huck on our podcast, I think in January. And obviously, I mean, he's a very good friend of the family. But he literally said he was like, those kids are some of the best like children I've ever met. Like he's, he really said he's like they're just the sweetest and most. And I just see that, you know, just because they grew up with all this wealth, it doesn't make them any less of a kid or any less sweet. Yeah. And that's a thing.

I also talked to. I don't remember who it was. Oh, I think it was Aaron Foster when she was on my podcast. she said the one thing about Kim is that she's still as sweet as she was in high school. She's like, you'll see her at a nail salon and she'll like run over to like say, I don't know if she still goes to nail salons. This could have been a story from like seven years ago or something. But that she's just a really, really sweet person.

Then I thought about it and I was like, as much as they have drama, you never heard anyone say I was treated badly by them. Yeah, that's what we always say. Oh, really? never heard of it. No, but you're so right. Like, we preach it, but you're so right that you're so right that you picked up on it also where it's like you've never ever seen a headline that's like Kim Kardashian impossible to work with. Or she's like a diva or, like, Chloe or any of them. Any of them. You've never seen it. And those things about celebrities come out. It's not like no one's just talking shit and keeping it brushing up. It's like when Ariana Grande was going through

her diva phase, everyone knew about it. When like any celebrity that you know that like is hard to work with, you know about it. You know about it. And you also see that they have, you know, the same crew for years and they take them everywhere and they move. And they move. them you know she fucking moved her trainer from kim kardashian moved her trainer from brooklyn or something to l.A all of them i mean if you look at their entire their entire inner circle it's it's people from forever ago which is why the jordan woods thing was so tragic quite frankly so tragic you know called it the jordan gate oh we had three we had part we had five parts let me tell you if you're listening to this new care and you want to relive that we treated it our initial jordan gate

episode we had sirens playing we started we're like we have entered a state of kardashian emergency We took the shit so seriously. So what is your take on it? What's your like, if you had to like kind of summarize the five episodes and your breakdown of it, what do you think? Oh, God. You know, I think it's sad all around. I think our hearts went out obviously to Chloe and to Jordan, but really also to Kylie.

Yeah. Just as much to Kylie as it was to Chloe. I think that I don't, you know, by no means do I hate Jordan. I think she's young and she made a mistake and she got really caught up in this world. And, you know, I think, honestly, in all of this, Tristan is just an asshole. Like, he's just a bad guy. I'm not saying Jordan didn't do anything wrong, but he's just a bad guy.

But do you think, because I was feeling, and I think I, I think, N.T. lawyer maybe even said this to me. Do you think they were really together at that point, Chloe and Tristan? No. No. And I think the show made it seem like they were fully together. But they made it seem, it was sort of like floating. But even the way Chloe was taught, this wasn't like her boyfriend.

friend who she was with every day. Like, he was in town and he was at a party. I think, I think Chloe was doing everything in her power to make it work. And he just wasn't. Like, I think he just wasn't reciprocated in the same way, but was still, I think they were still officially together, but it wasn't like, it wasn't like if Jordan slept with Kanye or if Jordan sucked up with Kanye.

It's not that kind of relationship, but there was still something there. But she shouldn't have done it. Well, she should have never done it. If Chloe and Tristan didn't speak for another time. 10 years and 10 years later, Jordan still shouldn't have done it. That's just girl code and that's just family code, quite frankly. But yes, no, they would come on. Listen, they weren't as together.

They weren't as together. And the way she handled it was like, I mean, Jordan, the fact that she went on the red table talk and she didn't apologize to Chloe. Like, she probably needed a better like publicist at the time or someone to be like at least publicly apologize or try to. If it was handled differently, I think the relationship could have been salvaged. I think it was the aftermath of what happened that. that really destroyed it.

Because I saw like Chloe or Kim or remember when on the episode when Kylie was crying, she's like she's really going through it. I saw her face. And I kind of felt bad because I was like she is going through it. Are you kidding?

I felt we started every one of the Jordan episodes by saying like, listen, I know this is so fascinating, but we all have to have some real sense of empathy here because imagine this girl, she wakes up in the entire world is against her. She just was on the cover of Cosmo UK and I don't know if you read her interview.

She said, she was like, I got so dragged into reading everybody's responses and it became so toxic. And we were saying, like, could you imagine that? No matter what mistake you made, that is so unfathomable to people like us to imagine, you know, being in that position. My heart broke for her, even though I thought she was in the wrong. But she also, don't you feel like she got a little bit more successful on her own from it? Oh, my God. She went up by like a million or two million followers.

Let me tell you what's happened to Jordan since. She had her own collab with Boohoo. She had a part on Grownish, right? She has, you know, been doing deals all over the while she was in Rick Ross's music video. She's never been more successful than she was post-scandal. I'm not saying that was purposeful, but I will say from a interpersonal perspective, she didn't handle it well. From a business perspective, they capitalized on it incredibly intelligently.

I know. They really did. Yeah, they really did. And capitalized it in the way that it wasn't like they were constantly harping on it. It was like, please, let's just move past it. And it was the publicity that surrounded her on its own. And she was just like, you know what? Let's just move past that.

I'm going to keep growing what I'm growing. I mean, aside from the red table talk, she didn't say anything. Exactly. It's kind of unheard. You know, this is, talk about a Patreon bonus episode that you have to do, like, how celebrities handle this stuff is so interesting. Do you remember on the episode when Chloe was like, I can't believe I have to fucking think about social media right now, like, that I have to think about what I'm writing and, like, if I tweeted something. Because remember how she was, like, kind of common? And then she started, like, Kanye style blasting Twitter.

Yeah. And I think it was actually coming from like inside of her and people were like, you have to chill. Like this looks bad. And she's like, I can't believe I have to fucking think about that. Yeah. We talked about that a lot. We said that, you know, we were we were both really impressed by the way for the most part that Chloe handled it. The only thing that I thought she did wrong exactly was that and kind of it was almost like she lost all sense of rationality in that moment. She was like I'm just so pissed. She shouldn't have done it. But I got it. That was a very human reaction. Yeah. She had to be more careful because when you're someone like that, like a Taylor, Taylor Swift or, you know, Kardashian, and you have that massive of a following. You can't lash out like that because it's dangerous in terms of how the way your fans react. But it was so authentic. I mean, talk about it was so authentic. But I think what pissed people off the most out of all of her posts was that at the beginning she was blaming Jordan. Yeah. And that narrative is one that I didn't like either.

Like Tristan is a piece of shit and Jordan fucked up. She did the wrong thing. But you saw her, you said her name was in the headlines. It wasn't Tristan fucked up again. He's a piece of shit. it was like Jordan Kylie's best friend and even Chloe said on the episode she was like he's a piece of shit like I wouldn't believe him if he said like the sky is blue but Jordan we didn't expect that and that's like okay when you say it like that people can understand like she knew he was a piece of shit

she was trying to make it work for baby true baby true yeah but Jordan no one expected that of her right and that's the whole reason that all of the headlines were like that it's because who wants to you would never see a headline the sky is blue yeah right like you would see a headline like sky comes crashing down unexpectedly, and that was the Jordan of it. And that was the Jordan of it. No one expected, of course, that was going to be the headline, because if you saw a headline that was like, Tristan Thompson cheats on Chloe, it's like, okay, another day, another no, like what's different here?

It's the Jordan aspect of it. That was the big deal, really. Yeah. But it was like that dangerous, like, for people to get that, you have to be like a true. Right. And it was hard, but it was hard for people like on the service to be like, why is the woman getting all of the wrath from it. And I understand why people have that for.

frustration and I totally I agree with that you know she had I guess what we're saying is that Chloe kind of assumed that everybody had the narrative like the backstory yeah and that wasn't the case and that wasn't the case yeah no but that's scary to fuck with the fucking Kardashians oh my god I would like I would like literally Brad Pitt could like approach me and seduce me or and I would just like and Tristan I feel like anybody I hooked up with I'd be like wait a second have you ever like touched her like you get in trouble for like yeah I literally could be anything I could meet a guy at a bar and I'd be like wait a second before we like do anything like how did she not sign I feel like her life is signed away to Kylie like I don't know they're I mean they're probably like contracts

and NDAs and shit like I don't know it's something that we'll never know and something that I would do sick shit to know like the details seriously like what they have to sign yeah also I'm gonna take my bra off do you mind it's hurting not at all and also I don't believe it hasn't been on it's happening live time I can't I don't know how you guys wear bras you know that I was thinking of this when I put, because I didn't have a good bra for this shirt, and this is really tight. And I was like, well, I don't have small boobs so I could just like not wear a bra. She doesn't have small boobs. Yeah, no, she doesn't have small boobs.

She has incredibly perky boobs and takes it for granted. She's like, I don't get how you do it. I'm like, if I took my bra off right now, I would fall over. But that's a good shirt for taking your bra off too. But also you're wearing jackets and I do not understand. I told you the podcast studio is really cold. Okay, but is it cold in here? Nope.

A little. I don't know. I'm always cold. Recently, I'm always cold. It's been like a weird thing. And you're so tan. How are you so tan? We just idolize the sun.

Yeah, we're bad. Don't take our advice. We sit outside of coconut oil. Where do you go? I go to my backyard. So I didn't tell you, we didn't, did you ask us here before when we were talking about, oh, yeah, you're asking us on the podcast where we live. So I live in, I live in. She's getting naked, yeah.

Yeah. I literally have not wearing a bra in three years. No, what do you mean? I don't wear bras. She's like, why do we have a meeting today. today and I just felt like it wasn't appropriate to free the nipple, but now I don't care because we're at your apartment.

I mean, well, she goes to our podcast studio and she's like a see-through black tank top without a bra. I'm like, you can't do that. It's just the nips. They look good. It's just nippy. See, if I take my bra if it wouldn't look like that. If I get a little nippy, my husband's like,

like you can cut glass. Like, you're taking people's eyes out. He doesn't like that. He's very, um, he's a jealous like, he's a jealous like, he's Israeli. Israeli men are very like, wear a sweater and cover up, you know, like you're my woman. It's that kind of a thing. I didn't realize that he was Israeli. I knew you guys loved it. I actually saw your own, so I saw.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, let me tell you something about that. I hope my American friends don't listen. In Israel, I got married. They're seeing a picture that two of my American friends got me for my wedding that says, um, Euron and Amanda. And in Israel, everyone gives money. And my friend, American friends showed up with that picture. That's so funny. I mean, I love it. But it's, in Israel, it's like, that's like, that's So, wait, I don't know how. You get your incremental 18. You, you give you, hi, yeah. Hi, that's right.

My name's Faya. Oh, really? So they came with that picture and I'm like, is there an envelope? No, I'm just kidding. I'm really not like that. But it's funny. But I like it. It's cute.

But yeah, he's Israeli and they get very possessive. If not, I used to walk around without a bra everywhere. Oh, yeah. I can't wear them. It's uncomfortable. Anyway, we'll be right back with more. You guys. We're going to take a quick break.

But I want to go back to the Kardashians. Yes, I'm sorry. What's what we're even talking about? What's your favorite Kardashian? You know, I have to say, I like them all. I have to feel like what you're going to say. Do you want to guess? I want to guess.

Go. Chloe. Kim. Oh, really? Yeah, mine's always Kim too. You know, we both. Listen. love Chloe. She's like a ride or die. She's up there. As a human being, I love Chloe. I think she's

incredible. I think she's so empathic. Like you would want to be friends with Kim. But I want to be friends with Kim. Yeah. And also everything. I'd want to be business partners with Kim. I think she's so level-headed. I think she's so smart and strategic. And, you know, also it's rare for someone to have such an intense, like, business intelligence, but also have an emotional intelligence and kind of be compassionate. You know, you can tell she was raised by Chris Jenner and also by Robert Kardashian. Like, seriously. You can't tell. When Emma talks about Kim Kardashian, let me tell you what happens to her eyes.

Like, there's something. She's glowing talking. And like the way you, like, you should do her publicity. Like, the way she talks about her. She's like, she is a level-headed. You know that? You know that Oprah meme that's like, she's the friend I never had, the sister I always wanted. That's how I feel it's like when we talk about Kim.

We're like, I don't know a better person. We got to talk. You may know this. I have to just tell you the story in person and anybody listening, you know, obviously you can hear the way we talk about them. So let me take you back to about, I don't know what, six weeks ago when it happened. Yeah. So we had Brad Gressky, obviously celebrity stylist, on our podcast, and he's hilarious and

amazing. And he also happens to be a diehard Kardashian fan supporter, admire, whatever. But he's a friend. Well, kind of friend. He actually knows them. And so he's talking about Kim and going on. So after the podcast, when we were doing our clips to our Instagram story, promoting it. We posted one of the audio clips, and it was him talking about Kim. And I asked him, I was

like, what is it about her that you love so much? And he's just going on. And we made the caption, like, could listen to at Brad Goreski talk about at Kim Kardashian all day. Put it on our story. He reposted the story. Ready for this shit? She reposted his story. So my voice was on Kim Kardashian story. Listen, whether or not you like that's a big fucking deal. I don't care how to do it. It's a big deal. Wait, so did it say like comments by celebs? Yeah. Brad. It was like a, it was It was an audio clip of it, and it was... It wasn't a direct... You couldn't click on it if you clicked on it.

It took us to Brad's, but Isabelle, who's sitting with us, not on mic, she was on the train, and she just starts texting in all capital. I was like, Emma, Kim, Emma, Kim. I'm like, what, what? We're like, spit it out, Isabel. She's like, you are on Kim's story. Oh, my God. What? Oh, my God.

And I still consider that one of the coolest... Do they follow? No. None of them. Why do you say it like that? That could happen. Well, I guess I feel. I fully, like I say this all the time in the podcast, I'm a big manifester and I fully believe that the Kardashians will be on our podcast.

Like I really do. They've had Simon follows us, Steph follows up. Like, they get that we are good, normal people who like genuinely support what they do. But in terms of actual Instagram, they are so scarce with their follows. I can't see it. They're so, they don't follow any meme pages or anything. I think all of them follow like a total of like a hundred people each. Yeah.

Like Kim, they follow some meme pages, but they're all Kardashian memes. It's not like they're following like. Fat Jew. But the thing is Courtney follows like, yeah, Courtney follows like Courtney Kardashian. I love her or something. Kim follows Norrie's Black Book. Right. But, yeah. Well, that's crazy. That's super exciting. It was really one of the craziest days. It really was. Oh my God. I know. It's so exciting when shit like that happens. I remember my first, like, when I had like 12 followers, I wrote a post that was like so dumb and not even funny or anything. It was just like Courtney Kardashian is so hot. Like if you don't want to have like low self-esteem, don't look at her pictures.

like literally something like that and she liked it wow and that's why i'm saying like as per your account like the comments by celebs like when you tag celebs and they see their own stuff like they love themselves you know what i mean like that that piece of it is such a smart like as as the puzzle like we talked about the other reasons why the account uh blew up but that piece that celebs love themselves they love seeing themselves they love seeing their own common which they know they posted you know what I mean at the end of the day right well who doesn't want celebrity or not like who doesn't want people to think that they're funny right you know what I mean so just funny is an important thing is different because like beautiful they get like famous popular they get but

funny well because funny a lot of times it's synonymous with intelligence right and so you know wit I think is you know not everybody has it right no that that I remember that was super exciting and then um like two weeks ago I was going through Chloe's story and then I saw a meme of mine. And I was like, hey, I posted that. I actually saw that also. Wait, I might. But it's not that exciting because it was like she saw it probably on the explore

page or something and she did like the arrow to her story. But you didn't see like, because it was like a white background. So my name was like. But if you clicked on it, it brought it to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you get followers from that? Yeah. But not like you would think.

You know what I mean. Still so fucking cool. But still cool. I did see that. Yes. I forgot about that. You're like on Chloe's thing. And you're like, so that's a world of Instagram, which.

you know, keeps me going to, and I'm sure keeps you guys going to, is that it's such a crazy world. And in a minute, you don't know who can start following you. Yeah. You don't know what opportunities can arise from it. Oh, we, it's crazy. Yeah. I mean, obviously, we are incredibly grateful to Instagram. But when we had Charles on and he was talking about it, it is so interesting. Charles, of course, the guy who's the head of creative partnerships, like hearing the background of how it works there. Like, they are so purposeful. And, And, you know, they really pay a lot of attention to eat the little changes because they're always trying to optimize it.

And they're always thinking about like, okay, for us, you know, for a celebrity, for this or that, like what he does is when people come, like he onboarded Oprah. When people with massive followings want to get on Instagram. Yeah, he onboards them. And then what? And what happens? Well, he just explains them like, okay, you know, what is, how do we get, how do we make use of this in the best way possible?

His goal is to kind of teach celebrities what. the benefits of Instagram is. So it's, you know, in this day and age, it's really impossible to be a celebrity and be massive and be relevant and not be on Instagram. It's the biggest social media platform right now. Everyone's on it.

In our world, it's where all of the news is happening. It's like, if you want to stay relevant and you want to be in it, you have to have some presence. Like even Beyonce, who doesn't run anything herself. It's so her. It's so calculated. Nothing's posted by her, but. Nothing's posted by her, right?

But you don't, you don't get that of Beyonce unless she's putting it on Instagram. You're not seeing those pictures anywhere else. Right. As a Beyonce fan and like, I'm a diehard Beyonce fan and other people who are crazy for Beyonce, it's like, it doesn't matter if you're not posting it yourself because at least you're giving us something that we're not getting otherwise. That's true. That's true.

Wait, speaking of like curated Instagram accounts, what do you, what's your take on Britney Spears or are you not into her? Oh my God. Were there deep dives? Were there a deep dives? Were there a five-part podcast? Did we do a number of? We didn't do an emergency, but we did.

There should have been sirens for that fucking shit. I can't believe we didn't do that as how we did that. I'm just amazed that we were able to do that in an amount of time that we were able to sell a full episode after that. Well, you know, okay. So do you know Brittany's Graham? Do you follow them? They were the one that broke the.

Yeah. They're the one that broke the conservative. You follow them? Yeah. So they were the ones who kind of like started the free Britney movement, basically. And they, what the reason that it started is there are two girls that literally have a podcast about her Instagram. And when her Instagram went like full blackout, they started investigating.

And that's when they found out all the stuff about the conservatorship. But we were going to have them call in and they did, but it was too fuzzy. We couldn't hear it. But it is the most. It's one of the most fascinating things of our generation. I swear to God. What? The conspiracy theory is everything.

Everything about her. Even just her Instagram. Like the way I said to Julie yesterday, I was like, you know, it just saddened me so much. Oh my God. Of course. It's so sad. It's like, but I can't look away, but I'm so sad. I want to, like, do something.

That's another thing, like, speaking of the bitchy, like, I'll post what she posts and kind of make fun of it. But, like, not make fun of it. Because in my heart, like, I fucking love. I'm, I was NSYNC, didn't care, um, uh, Spice Girls didn't care. Brittany was my every, I know every dance move. I know, I know concert, whole concert choreographies as workouts. I used to do them at home, like Dream Within a Dream Tour, you guys, 2001, Vegas, look it up.

Like, I wanted her stomach. wanted her belly button ring. I wanted everything. I wanted to wear a snake on my neck to school. Just because she did red leather. Oh my God for my birthday. That's what I did. Yeah.

I was upset. Like I'm getting goosebumps because like the way I admired her and I remember seeing like MTV. What was that? Diaries that she did and like she was like Justin and she was like in her room bang. And she was and Patricia, her like assistant and like everything was just. And then today you're like, you know, you're 34. she could have been the same and something happened. It was like in 2007 when that, and it could have even been before,

but I think we started to notice it then, and I think she was on the road to, you know, going downhill once that 2007 thing happened. But it was like something happened and it was like a light turned off and it never turned back on. Do we think that it's just like a mental health thing, like that she has something, like bipolar, schizophrenia? I mean, I don't, listen, I don't.

know enough about her, you know, mental state, her behavior to, like, make a diagnosis or to say what it is. But there's definitely something off. And I think that it's really a combination of growing up from such a young age in the spotlight. I mean, think about it. It wasn't just that she was 16 in performing. She was on Mickey Mouse Clubhouse when she was seven. And we see so many of them, maybe not in this magnitude and like this on Instagram, but like Selena Gomez was in rehab. She was on, you know, since she was. was on Disney. Myles Cyrus is going crazy.

Like, I don't know what's happening with her. Like, there are so many examples of like child stars that have lost it. Yeah, it's when you, yeah, when you grow up like that, it's like you have no like semblance of a normal life. Demi Lovato fucking almost died. I mean, we talk a lot about this with Justin Bieber and how, you know, it's not that we, we never want to be, you know, people to say like, oh, you always are forgiving him for everything he does.

It's not that. It's just that I think that people have to really understand. And he did not have a childhood. Yes, he maybe started later than some of these other people. But imagine you're 13 years old and your life changes. One day you're just singing on YouTube. The next thing, you know, you're with Scootabron and Usher and you blow up and you're the biggest sensation.

Like for any of us, quote, normal people, to try to even imagine what that's like is just impossible. Impossible. Which is why when people are so harsh. And people just look at like, you know, you're rich, you're famous. But like for me as a person with like anxiety, let's say, even if I get a cool opportunity that maybe other people won't or. any person, like, I know that it can look cool, but they don't know that I was so stressed that

day that I was dying before I went, that my heart was beating on like $3,000, even as like, do you go to what I mean? Like, people don't know, like, that shit can look so good and can be so not good, like, as simple as that. And it's until you get a little older and, like, you experience life that way a little bit, and you're like, oh, I went on this vacation and looked really good, but like, I was actually, like, having a panic attack every day, you know, or like shit like that. You won't even, like for me, I'd be scared shitless to be a celebrity like that.

Oh, my God. I'd be scared chill list to get in a private jet. You don't mean like we were speaking about planes. I mean, our faces are nowhere. They're really like, it's. Is that why? Oh. No, no.

Well, no. No. I mean, it's a lot. There's a lot to. Yeah. It's one that, you know, we just want. Our whole thing is like, we want the brand to speak for itself. We have no desire to be famous.

Our personal accounts are private. Like, we've no desire to be influencers. I support that 100,000 percent. I think that if you. can make a full living based off of you and something about your personal brand like go for it it's just not us there is no greater pleasure than being able to walk down the street and no one knowing you like it's how i want to be kind of forever we turn down so many tv things and this and that and i can't even like a lot of shit that happened especially early on what's your goal with the account then our goal with the

account is we're trying to grow a media company here you know we have obviously different verticals of the actual account we have the podcast that we have two different shows the Kardashian show and the regular show we have our Patreon you know hopefully that'll grow into we're exploring some video opportunities not that are us um like physically our faces and you know we want to really grow this into a very robust like media company and we love being the voices behind it we love being the business women behind it but by no means do we have a desire for fame that's refreshing because I feel like that's a lot of people that start instagrams like do it to get famous or to be influencers to sell products like and shit like that and it's like that's the wrong reason you know what I mean yeah like I started

my Instagram legit as another place for like a blog like I wasn't even looking for followers like it just sort of happened and now like you do have to keep up with it right like you want to and like you want to build your brand it's about building a brand um but it's refreshing that you're not looking for like you know you to get famous or for your no it is no yeah no I I think that It's humble. It's humbo. I think that especially in this day and age, we're like, it seems like everyone's trying to be an influencer.

And we always say, we just want to be known as the business woman behind the account. Like, that is our goal here. And I think that, yeah, I think that a lot of people don't understand it at first. But once we explain it to them, we're like, listen, like, our content really speaks for itself and our voices, like, carry that content through. But it's never really about us. And once we explain it, we're like, I get it. And it's interesting that you're on the same page because, like, imagine one of you.

Oh, yeah. We always say that. Oh, my gosh. It's a crazy thing. Imagine one of you was like, no, but I, I want my face, like, to be in it. We literally talk about it all the time because the craziest things that we didn't know that about each other when we started. Like, I mean, I think Julie probably always knew it about me, but I had no idea. Like, there was, it was totally normal that she could have turned to me and when we were offered these like crazy TV things like, oh, let's go. What would have happened?

That would have been a real, that would have caused a real divide. It's actually interesting is that I think if somebody had said it to me a couple of years ago, like maybe even before the account started when we first started like, oh, do you want to be on a T? like I think that I would have probably said like yeah why not like of course like that's isn't that like whatever as it started to grow I was like it made me want to move more more like away from why like I want to know I don't know I think it was well first of all I think that there was a lot of it had to do with the fact that when we started you know telling people and people were seeing us as as business women and people like with a good idea and a good brain and whatever it was just so much more enticing to me to be viewed like that than like as somebody was just posting

their face everywhere and I don't know there's a lot to it like for example I was saying to somebody that I was at a friend's birthday party and like they they had friends of friends who like obviously like knew me because it was one of my best friend's birthday and like I walked into the bar and this one girl was like oh it's like comments by celebs and it was like oh like I hated it like oh you don't like I'm so happy to talk about it so that's what I was going to ask is there a facet of it that's like business aside like in all the reasons that are more businessy is it just like you're shyer as people like or I don't think we're shy like I'm so happy to talk about it like when people have questions I'm so like if they want to know about it I'm so happy to

engage in it. And I think it's the same way. We love talking about it and we love sharing it. But I think that we love that it's like an aspect of who we are, not entirely who we are. For sure. I love having the two, like it's kind of like different lives in a way. You know what I mean? Like it's not all that we are. I love that aspect of it for sure. And, you know, then there's like the real, you know, this is probably secondary, but what you said about the anxiety, not that either of us are really anxiety-ridden people, but that is scary. Like the idea of being so in the public eye, it's not something that I desire. Because fame's the one thing.

Like, someone told me this quote, it just stuck with me. Like, fame's the one thing that you can't take back. And, you know, once you'd make that decision to really put your face everywhere, like you're making that decision.

There's nothing wrong with it, but you have to make that consciously. And it's just not something we desire. So. Yeah, I think I was saying, I wanted to be an actress when I was little. Like, that was my dream. And I always used to say, like,

and it's not to be famous. Like, I'd rather be an actress on Broadway, like where no one knows me, but I'm just performing rather than an actress. And that's how I'd say to people for them to get that I actually like acting and not like the fame part. Like I would want to perform on off-Broadway and not on. So that's really great and refreshing.

And when we came in, you came in with Isabel, who's your manager? No, we kind of call her like our director of communications. She basically is our third best friend. From school? Yes. That's cool. So you were saying that she didn't even know. It was you from comments by celebs at the beginning.

We kept a secret until we hit 80,000 followers. So about a year it was a secret. Did you plan it like that? I did. I, I, um, you're so calculated. Thank you. I just didn't want, you know, when you start something new and let's say for the first couple of months, we had 200, 500 followers. And you don't know, yes, in my soul, I believe that it was going to succeed, but you don't know. And it's like, I don't, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's an empowerment thing. It's like, let me wait till I have some, like, something to show. But,

yeah, there's nothing to show. Like, why do I need to quote, brag about it, you know? Like, see what you're saying. It's like, my dad always says, like, the saying, it's like, don't show a man a half, or don't show a fool half a job. It's like, it was like, once we had something, we were proud of it and we're like ready to show it, then we were happy to tell people it was us. But it was so funny. I always tell the story of this happening is that when me and Emma started, she was like, let's not tell anybody. I was like, you know what? Amazing idea. Like I do. I think it would have been a little weird if somebody got a notification was like, your friend Julie Kramer joined Instagram is comments by slubs. Like if you didn't know what that was at the time, it would have been

like, what is she doing? Yeah. So I was like, yeah, amazing. Let's not tell anybody. I was like, I'm not telling my parents. I'm not telling my siblings. I would get a text from her every single day. Don't tell anybody about the council. But don't unfollow this one person. It's my hairdresser. I told her about the cat. Don't unfollow this one person. It's my nutrition. Don't unfow this one person. I bought carrots from this one person on a vendor on the street and I told her to follow us. Every day. So it was her role and then she kept done fucking it up. Yes. Always. Like literally but not friends. But still not friends. No one that knew us. But it was like my entire like beauty team. Like my eyebrow lady and my nail person. Like you know, you know why probably though

Emma? Because it was like burning in you. I know. And it's like the way you tell, you know, there's a secret you want to tell. So you're not going to tell your friends, but you're going to tell a stranger on the street. The other thing is she's just like a naturally more open person than I am, whereas I'm like, a secret, love it. I'll keep it from everybody and house, however, everybody that no one knows. She's like, I have to tell somebody. I have to tell somebody. It's like telling me to not tell anybody. Yeah, it's so true. I am. I'm typically, I'm like an open book. I'm not used to keeping secrets. I know. Wait, you're Jewish, Julian. Both of us are. Both of you are. So that would make sense. Because I feel like there is something cultural, because if you're so connected and you're like sisters.

so I um is it something that it was like like uh evil I how do you say it in English like not to say because you didn't want to like jinx it or oh no I don't know if that was it for me you think that was it for you think it was it a little bit it's like let's just wait like what we don't need to talk about it you know what I mean like let's just see what happens it's so good that you took it that seriously from the beginning that you like had even though you said you started as like a hobby but like that you took it seriously like let's not tell people and you had all these rules and all like I think there was a part of us that always knew that there was a reason we were taking it seriously even if we weren't

willing to be like to each other like it's like emma said it from the start it's going to be big i think i was a little more hesitant only because i think you expect that when you're doing something you you don't expect it's you don't start something with the intention or the expectation that it's going to be huge right and so as it like as it was getting bigger i think we were more willing to accept it. But I think there's a part of Emma that maybe kept it a little bit more of a secret for that reason because she was expecting it but didn't want to jinxed or didn't want to, you know, be overzealous with it or whatever. For sure. I forgot about this. But my aunt reminded me that in December of 2017, I said to her, it's going to, we're going to be at a million

followers by 2019. And we hit a million January 20th, 2019. So, I mean, that's when we had not even made 50,000 followers. And she said to me, I completely forgot about it. And she showed me the text. She's like, you knew. And I was like, wow, something inside of me must have known, you know, like it's weird to think about it. That's crazy. Yeah. Well, good for you. I'm really, I told you guys a million times. I'm so happy for you. And I wish you to keep on being super successful and to get that robust media company going. And you're so young, so you have lots of time. Thank you. And tell everyone what you're doing, where they can find you next okay yes so at comments by celebs comments by bravo comments by athletes our podcast keep up

with athletes we got to talk about it later okay obviously um yes and the podcast comments by slabs you can get it everywhere apple podcast spotify stitcher the whole nine um yeah it's our patreon yes thank you for letting us plug it we started a patreon and um basically we do two bonus podcasts a month for the higher tier and it's just a different way you can get you know in touch with this community we started like a Facebook group and it's very cool we thought it was just us that were so obsessed with this pop culture to like the endth degree. And then you meet these people and they're like, oh, no, I actually care about the cabinets in Courtney's house too.

And it's like, these are our people. So if you have an intense desire for pop cultures, you should check it out. Thank you, girls, so much for coming. Are you kidding? Wait. Hold on. I have to end it by saying, thank you for having us and being so gracious allowing us into your home. I love it.

And like, you know, like you said in the beginning, we knew you from the start. And yeah, we've grown too, but look at you. Like, that's amazing. you should be. I'm so, I watched, I told you I watched Bravo through your stories. Oh my God. Yeah, we didn't even talk about Bravo. We're such a bad certified bravaholic. I know. I know. You know, it's really, you definitely have built a community of people that like care about the stuff that we do too. Yeah, I do. I get so surprised too, you guys. I told you. Yeah. People get so, I posted one thing about this girl in Southern Charm today. I started watching. People are like

flooding me. They're like, you're going to hate her. Speaking of not being negative towards people. And I'm like, okay okay okay um but yeah it's fun it's addictive it's i love it i love it too i love your content thank you we're all for you just as much so just so that thank you girls so much great ending a compliment for me thank you okay you guys well thank you for listening um i love you i will see you next tuesday i hope that you enjoy this podcast and if you are listening right now and are finishing up listening, screenshot that you are, DM it to me, tag me in your story, show me that you're listening, rate and review it, like I said at the beginning of the podcast. Thank you to the Podglomerate Network for producing and editing my show as per

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