Not Skinny But Not Fat - Deuxmoi Gossip Sesh: Sophie Turner, Taylor Swift, & The Worst Fandoms

Episode Date: September 26, 2023

ANON PLS. The Queen of celeb sightings and anonymous tips is on to catch up on the latest gossip from Joe & Sophie to Kim & Odell! But who is she? And will she get drinks with me? That's a secret she'll never tell. XoxoProduced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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It's weird because I feel like I know you, but like everybody, I don't know her. She didn't fucking tell me who she is, even though it's been so many years, you'd think she'd fucking... So many years. It's been so many years. Wait, has it not been so many years? No, I'm agreeing with you. I'm totally, I'm agreeing with you. Wait, I love that people think, like, our sarcasm back and forth to each other is, like, a real beef of sorts. I know.

They don't know. And you know, you know, like, we, like, we go way back. I don't think. They don't know we go way back. And they don't know that, like, yeah, we have disagreed on things in the past, you know. Oh, yeah. But, like, all in good fun. No, that's what I mean, like, on gossip, you know, not on, like, you know, world politics, you know?

I'm like, no, I don't think she broke up with him, actually. Like, that's what we disagree on. Totally. And it's, it's in the DMs. And then, like, anything we post is just, like, fun banter to me. But, like, you told me that one of, poopoo head. What did you call me that? An asshole?

I think I could. No, smart ass. I called you a smart ass. I know. People were like, oh, my God. And I was like, yeah, yeah. Wait, what was that about? Do you remember?

I had said that Jessel from New York City housewives rented her apartment. And you were like, oh, God, a renter. But I meant that she rented her apartment just for the show. meaning she had lived in like L.A. and moved to New York just to be on the show. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I meant. Yeah. But you were like making a renter's joke. But yeah. God forbid she doesn't own. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I thought it was funny. It is a thing in New York by the way. Like I get asked like, do you own and you feel kind of like a loser. I'm like, no. Really? Well, I do in that moment when I'm asked by people like in the industry, you know? Wow. I'm surprised people like. ask that question what do you mean people ask i remember when i first started going out to l.A i hated this question so much like where do you say when you're here mind you like people ask me this the first time i ever flew out for work so this was like new to me to even go out there

you know what i mean so now you're asking me like where am i like l.a residences like you know what i mean where do i stay when i'm here weird question i know it's such a weird question i know so i feel like And those, like, bougie questions sometimes kind of get to me. So I was projecting. I was projecting. But is that true? The Jessel thing? Yeah.

I think it's true. My whole point in saying it, like, had nothing to do with her apartment. It had to do with the fact that they sort of recruited out of towners. Yeah, yeah. To be on the show. And, yeah, she had lived here at one point for a stretch of time. But I think she hadn't lived here since 2013. And, like, you're a New Yorker.

you get it like it's like find someone who has lived here for 10 plus years in a row you know to be on the show wait are we also is the subtext here that it's like thirsty of her to move up her whole life and pretend to be local for the show I mean I kind of blame the show more than her because if you were given that opportunity wouldn't you take it hell and you were her I mean oh if I were her yeah if you were her you would take that opportunity and you would move your life I don't know how people go on these shows, though. I have to be honest, because seeing person after person what it did to their lives, you know? And I know that people put fame above so many other things, you know what I mean?

But it's crazy. Like, it blew up people's lives, cheating, divorcing, jail. Like, jail became a prominent fucking thing in the Bravo world. And look what Bethany's doing. I mean, she's... Wait, what are your thoughts on Bethany? I think that she needs someone managing the words coming out of her mouth a little better. I do find her entertaining.

Like, I'd be lying if I didn't say I watched some of her videos. But this whole T.J. Max, like, dropping off the makeup situation. Wait, can you tell people? Because I yesterday was like, whose team are you on, Carol or Bethany? Because Carol had something to say about that. And most people didn't know the drama. Can you recap it? So she gets a lot of free PR, obviously, because she's a solid.

And she reviews makeup. And she had a lot of extra products that she didn't want to throw out. So she took a little baggy to her local T.J. Max that she shops at frequently and films. She does, you know, vlogs there. And she approached a worker who she called her friend, but that didn't know her name, and tried to give her a bag of makeup that she further explained wasn't used, but was opened. Because she needs to look at the colors to see, like, like what they look like, but she never used it. So the packages were opened, but the makeup was never used. She tried to give it to a T.J. Max employee. They said to her on camera, she had all of this filmed. That was what I took issue with, the fact that she filmed it. Because if you're doing something nice, then fucking do it. Yes.

Right. The worker was like, I'm so sorry, but it's corporate policy that I can't accept, you know, gifts from customers. And she's like, oh, don't worry about it. I'll DMT. Macs right now. I'll DM them. I'll tell them like, it's fine. It was just so unhinged and weird. And she filmed all this. She put the video up and she didn't understand. I don't think why people were polarized by what she was doing. It had nothing to do with the deed. It was the fact that she was

filming it and the fact that she, I don't know, like whipped out her phone and said she would DM TJ Max. I mean, the woman obviously didn't want to take it. She was on camera. And if she was, you know, violating company policy on camera. Like, there's proof if she's violating. So she deleted. So she deleted this, right? When she was getting shit. Which she usually doesn't delete, but did.

No, she deletes a lot. If you go to the hate accounts, they like repost the ones that she deletes. And she deletes a lot. But, okay, so she deletes. And then Carol was like white savior complex, right? Yes. And then she responded to the white savior complex. Comment.

I don't think that Bethany has white savior complex. I think she's just incredibly tone deaf. I mean, listen, she's a businesswoman, you know, at the end of the day and she's smart. I just don't understand some of the things that she films. Like you said, you're a businesswoman. You're smart. You have so many things going for you in the business world, in the philanthropy world. You don't got to go to TJ Max every fucking day. You don't have to film all these things. I get tons of fucking PR. And if my friends don't want it, the ones that I don't want my sisters, don't want it. Then I'll sometimes put it like downstairs in my building and I'll write. Like, take it. Who would film that? Listen, I, did you watch? Were you like a Roney girl from the beginning? Oh, yeah, 100%. And I would post about Roney so much when I first started the account. And I got so many messages about her. And, you know, a lot of them weren't that great. I think it's like really challenging to work for her. Yeah. And I could kind of see why she's like a little all over the place. She shocked me a little. I have to say, guys. And I know I got so many.

after my interview with her. It's not white savior. I think it might be a God complex. No, yeah, that I was just going to say. Like, I think that she had a wild success with her skinny girl cocktails and it just like went to her head or something. It's like crazy. And, you know, when I, when I see her do these videos and say things like, I check my bank

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offers not valid at all retailers code expires on october 6th 2023 at 1159 p m est carroll see viz over this woman they have such a history and i even like literally apologized to carol for having bethany on like that's how much she's she's she doesn't like her she doesn't like her she doesn't like you know it's like Courtney and kim speaking of the wait you can't just like slip that in like people are going to be like oh no no no always asking me like, oh, so my, well, my opinion, and I've said this a lot if you guys don't watch Cards Cotchop on any news, I've been saying for a while, Courtney Hates Kim, Courtney hates Kim. This is my opinion, by the way, this is my opinion. No, I agree with you and I've heard this as well. It's not just for the show. Like, it's real. I mean, listen, you have sister drama and like whatever. And sometimes you're like, fuck, I don't like the person that my sibling is. You know what I mean? And here's the thing with Courtney and this, like, I know in my bones, even though I'll clarify, I don't know because I was told. I know in my bones because I feel like I just know this family so well.

So Courtney was already, as we know, moving away from the family. She didn't want to film for seasons upon season. She's been calling them toxic. Even the way they look is different. Like Chloe and Kim do certain things that Courtney doesn't. You can tell those things. The organic food. Like all of that.

lifestyle, right? Yeah. The clothes, like, that's why I always liked her the best, because I was like, she dresses like, I could wear that. This is before Travis, by the way. Now I don't know about the clothes. And then I feel like she met Travis and he, like, solidified all of her kind of points of why she doesn't love her family, you know?

And she just got further and further and further away from them. And I feel like Kim really represents that, like, toxic because she never thought that Chloe was toxic. like she loves Chloe and in my opinion like seeing her in the last couple seasons unraveling has so much to do with the fact that like Chloe was her girl you know she was her soulmate and Chloe chose Kim kind of yeah totally side with but you're going to see now in this new well this is going to come out probably after so in in the first episode of this season of the Kardashians people thought the teaser was like edited but no corny legit says

to Kim I fucking hate you like you're a witch I got like goosebumps. I was just like, she fucking hates her. Yeah. It's really unfortunate and sad. I liked when they were all, like, friends. I know. And I feel like Courtney does bring as much as people like to make fun of her like monotoness and, you know, she does bring like an interesting dynamic. You know, I feel like she is funnier with Chloe and like, but here's what I wonder. In the first episode, Kim makes it sound like people are worried about Courtney and like things aren't as. And like, things aren't as happy as it looks like she based with Travis yeah she doesn't say like with Travis is if Travis is a bad guy but she's like everyone's concerned for you I think Travis went through some

issues maybe that's when they were happening oh did you hear stuff yeah like what kind of issues I don't really want to say on air okay but maybe that's why they were worried I don't know okay you know yeah I wonder I do think Travis is a good guy I don't think we will will find out that he's not. He really seems like such a great guy. Oh, no, nothing like, yeah, I agree with you. I don't think it's anything like that. But I wonder if they don't like him because, like, she distanced herself so much because of him. Like, it's almost seems like they would prefer Scott with all the cheating and everything just because he would like hang out. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I think it goes deeper than that. I think it has to do with like their

morals, you know, and like how each of them handle celebrity a little different. Yeah. I think that they're just not aligned in that way. So maybe that bothers her. Courtney, I mean. Yeah, yeah. I agree with you completely. I think so too. What about Kim dating O'Dell? Odell? Yeah. I mean, I heard it. I mean, I heard it. I made it a blind item. I heard it right before Labor Day. I made it a blind item. I knew they had went to Turks. I didn't say that they went to Turks together. Yes, he was there. I didn't. I did. I didn't. I did. I didn't. I did. I did. I didn't say because I couldn't at the time. And then somebody in a Q&A was like, OBJ was in Turks with Kim. And I'm like, okay, you said it. So I didn't have to. So yeah, I mean, I've known

about it, I guess for like, I don't know why. I texted someone yesterday. I'm like, why is this coming out now? I was like, I'm not stupid. I know that like these other media outlets like see what I post. I don't know if they listen to my podcast. It was on my podcast two weeks ago. I'm like, why is this coming out now? You know, does it a you if you don't get credit. For this and I'm sure, you know, because now with Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey's brother just went on a radio show. Did you see it this morning? And confirmed it for like OBJ and like Taylor. Like I mean, you know, listen, like if you listen to my podcast, you knew this already like two weeks ago. So sometimes people will credit. Sometimes they won't.

Yeah. I don't know why this Kim and OBJ thing just came out. But like it could also be just of people like, you know, it could be because there's an insider, like this People article says the insider. Yeah. Well, the insider is their PR. Let's be fucking honest. That's how People magazine rolls. Yeah.

But I was just going to say these out media outlets, they don't want to have to credit anyone else. They want their own sources. Yeah. But at the same time, I still don't understand why it came out. Like why they chose. Yeah. Why they chose to go to People magazine and say, yes, you can put out an article.

saying a source says that they're hanging out. I don't know who, I saw it on people. I saw it on TMZ and I saw it on page six. I don't know who was first out of those three. I kind of think it all came out at the same time. And it's not even like, I mean, you talked about it, but it wasn't like going wild, you know, like spreading. So you're wondering like, why would they even address it?

Yes. I have a guess. Well, I thought that maybe there were pictures. I thought maybe there were pictures of them. So I asked, I asked someone, I said, other pictures, like, why is it coming out now? Oh, I got it. I got it. What? I got it.

The show? I got it. Yeah. So, they're not promoting season four, as you guys have noticed. I'm sorry, season three. What's coming out now? Three? You know what?

I'm promoting it on my podcast and I don't even fucking know. I'm so sorry. Okay. So the new season of the Kardashians is coming out. The Kardashians are SAG members and they're in solidarity and that's one of the reasons they're not promoting it currently as you guys have noticed usually they would go on talk shows even though that's not really happening right now anyway they're not promoting it as everyone's noticed so maybe this is a way to promote it without promoting it you feeling me i guess when's you feeling me now when is

the show when is the show like now like i already saw the screener like it's literally like totally then totally yeah yeah then totally yeah it's like a little like boop do people ever accuse you of working for the Kardashians like I love it I love them when they say I'm on their payroll oh my god so much money I'm not so much money on my and also like you know what's the funniest though it's like ever since I had them on my podcast and like had more of a personal relationship with them and also doing cards catch up and I'm recapping it I have talked about them less than ever do you get what I mean I am people that say that to me are acting like all of my content is Kardashians and I'm like, you're projecting, like, you're not okay because I actually feel bad that I don't

talk about them enough. You know what I mean? I actually barely talk about them because- No, I see your stories. I haven't seen Kardashian content in a long time. Yeah, it's like I don't- You go with what's going on. You go with like what everyone's talking about. Yeah. So like I'm like, what? Like, and the other thing I'll say about it is like, and I said this so many times is like, if someone's nice to me, of course, I'm fucking going to be nice back. And especially if those someone's are the Kardashians. And if they came on my show, gave me exclusive interviews, have been nothing but kind to me,

you want me to be a dick and say bad shit? People that say that don't understand. And at the end of the day, this is a business. And you and I are in a business. You can't be a certain way. I get accused of everything like from A to Z. And it's like, at the end of the day, this is my job. is my livelihood. I'm not going to do

anything to jeopardize that. And I'm sure you feel the same way. And I think we both also do teeter on a line. It's not like we're super safe. You know what I mean? No, and I don't want to, but I don't want to be mean. Right, right. That's the thing. You know, why would I want to be mean? You know, I do enjoy some snark. Because people love that shit. People love it so much. That's what they, that's what they. Right. But you know what?

That's what gets them up in the morning. But you know what I tell them. They're especially about the Kardashians. You want to find mean about them. You're not going to have to look hard. You know, you want to find mean stuff about them. You're going to find it. Like, you don't need me to like talk shit. You know what I mean? Right. Working for them is, I love that you think it's funny. It grinds my gears so hard because it's like. Because how ridiculous is because it's so like, are we, are you in a sci-fi film? Like, in what way could possibly be working for them? Like, how do you cheat happening? It's just so stupid. What contract do you see?

I know, that's what I said. What contract do you see? Like, how do you envision me getting paid? Like, is Chris Venmoing me? Like, am I getting a check? Like, I just want to know how you see this playing out. And here's something that maybe people will find interesting. I always get asked, you know, how do you get this interview and how do you get that interview? And a lot about them. And I'm so weird.

I swear to God, I was talking to myself yesterday. I had on Elizabeth Chambers, Army Hammers, ex-wife the other day. And she doesn't do podcasts. And I was thinking about it. And I was like, the only reason I had Elizabeth on and she would come on. is because I've been talking to her for three years. You know what I mean? And so I literally do.

I'm so crazy. I was walking around my house thinking about this. And I even said out loud like this thought I was like, and that's why because of relationships. Like I literally said it to myself. I was like, if I had to answer that question again, I would say relationships.

I build relationships all the time. You and I built a relationship. You know what I mean? 100%. Like you build relationships with people, not out of like, you know, business stuff, but that's how I am as a person. And being like that and building those relationships helped get me to where I am today and have people on that, you know, I cultivated

this with and stuff. So all of a sudden it was very clear to me like, here's an answer to this question and maybe implement that in your life, you know, if you're questioning why people are nice to people and, you know, building relationships is a really good thing. This is the thing that I can say about you because we did build a relationship three years ago. It's like you reach out to someone and it doesn't seem like you have an agenda. So your building of these relationships is very natural. And then it gets to the point where like, you know, you have a relationship with somebody and you show up for them. So you probably started talking to Elizabeth very naturally as I mean, I'll be honest. I've talked to her too. She's very nice. And and it's like,

you know, and then it comes to the point where it's like, hey, do you want to be on my podcast, but you don't start. Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Oh, I'm going to ask her to be on my podcast. Let me be nice to her. Like, there's no premeditation. Yeah, I'm not premeditating this for three years. You know what I mean?

Exactly. And I mean, you could apply the same thing to the Kardashians. It's like, it's so crazy to me that like people think that like there's so much premeditation that goes on and like what I post, I'm sure what you post. It's like not that deep. It really, really not that deep. It's really, really not that deep. But yeah, speaking of, like, relationships, like a lot of times you are put in the situation where I remember when the Scandavall thing happened and like I am with Ariana on text and like how business smart would it be to fucking go after her for my podcast, you know, and I didn't.

I felt like it was so like I kind of like to do the right thing and not try to get salacious shit out of people. And like one of the first things I say to her is I come on my pod. So I never asked her to be on my podcast. and looking back, I'm like, should I regret that? Like, sometimes, you know, maybe you do want to be more. More aggressive, yeah. Yeah. Like more, I agree.

Wait, did you text her, though, to be like, are you okay? Yeah, because I don't know if you knew this then, but I told this to my listeners and followers a bunch. The day it broke, before it broke, it was the morning. I was watching the latest episode of Vanderpump. This is when it was airing. And they just had that scene where Ariana, Raquel, and Katie are a dinner. and this was still when Raquel wanted to hook up with Schwartz, do you remember? And I was just like, she's being ridiculous.

She's what is this, you know, why is she telling Katie she wants to hook up with Schwartz? Do you remember that scene? No, I don't watch. Sorry, what'd you say? I don't watch. Anyway, so I was like, I literally out of nowhere, call this, like, celebrity reality to be kismet or whatever. But I was literally like, you guys, let's pause. How amazing is Ariana?

Let's all give some love to Ariana. I did this whole thing. I was like, look how she's sitting there. Look how she's trying to be a good friend to both girls. And she responded to my thing and was like, I love you. And I was like, I love you. Then all of a sudden, I like try to find her Instagram and it's not there. And I text her and I'm like, hey, is everything okay?

Like, I thought it was because of me. I was like, your Instagram disappeared. I swear. I'm like, your Instagram disappeared. Is everything okay? Like, I thought like, maybe she got hate. Maybe we were like, no, we don't love her. And she was like, no, everything's.

not okay like horrible human beings are trying to ruin my life and I was like what and this is when it came out like two hours later. Oh my god. So I was that day talking to her and of course then it came out two hours later and I was like oh my god this is awful here for you like blah blah blah blah right and you don't pry unless she wants to give you information. Yeah like the same thing happened with Lindsay like the Lindsay and Carl information got released and I was like I didn't know if it was true at first. So I just, I had so many people asking me. Like, to the point where I was like, all right, I got to find out something. I was like, I never do this, but let me DM Lindsay. And I was just like, I don't have her phone number, but I was just like, is everything okay? And obviously, she didn't

respond and we later found out it was true. Yeah. But I hate doing that. Like, I don't like to ask for information from the direct people unless they come forward. Yeah. And like, you know, you and I know how works. If somebody wants to say something, they'll make sure you know about it or even if they want to tell you personally, they'll make sure you know about it. So I don't think unless it's like an actual like, even if it's someone in the industry, like friend, friend, I would be like, oh my God, what happened. Like to Katie, I would be like, oh my God, what happened. Do you know what I mean? But I wouldn't to everyone. But did you get any, wait, do you watch Summer House or also no? No. I don't. I don't watch Summerhouse or Vanderpup. Obviously, I know everything that's going on. but I don't currently watch. I can't believe that. And you talk about it. I mean, because I have watched in the past,

so I know all the, I know all the players. Yeah. I just am not caught up. I mean, it's not like I've never watched. If you had to hypothesize what happens with Lindsay and Carl, what would you think?

I mean, I don't know. Like, a couple people message me and they were like, you know, there is a chance that they could get back. But I just think he did her so dirty that she's probably like, because what we know for sure is just,

just that he filming had wrapped and he called the crew, which is to break up with her on TV, which is like unforgivable, I feel like. Unforgivable. Yeah. And people have told me that it was building up all summer. Yeah, yeah, I heard that too. It wasn't like out of the blue. It wasn't like they were, you know.

Yeah, but maybe she thought he would fucking do it when, like maybe she would have been more okay if it was, I mean, that's just a lack of respect and that's like, I don't know. you know when I started getting bad vibes from him and you don't watch, so you wouldn't remember this scene. But for those of you would do, last summer, they were not okay. Like, everyone was hating on them in the house, blah, blah, blah. And then, like, literally, their relationship was suffering. They were suffering. Like, it was bad. And I would think that as, like, a 40-year-old man and, you know, his partner and looking at the future and talking about engagement, they would be like, you know what, this is not for us. This is toxic. Blah, blah, blah.

And I remember at the end of the season, he was like, no, no, we're going to, we're going to come back next summer for sure. And I was just like, ew. Like, I got cringed out because I was like, the manly thing to do, like the mature thing to do, the right thing to do is not put you or your, like, fiance in that situation. But at the end of the day, they're reality TV stars and they're so thirsty. And also this is probably their income. So they're not going to step down from this show. Like, it doesn't matter how hated they are. doesn't matter if you know and it's like oh my god priorities well i mean desperate people do desperate

things i heard he's not involved in lover boy anymore yeah so it's like what do you do so it's like this is it yeah and you know maybe he saw an opportunity and seized it he saw what happened with vanderpump and he yeah seized this opportunity to make it you know good content for the show and did you hear the i've reported on this the rumor that there was somebody else i saw that I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I know where it came from. So I don't, I don't know. And somebody told me that, you know, Lindsay was at a wedding in Portugal, like a couple weeks ago. Somebody told me that she was telling people there the same story. Really? Okay. Yeah. You know what? Then maybe it's true. I don't know.

And if he did that, I just feel like he's even more lost than we know, you know? It's like, well, think about it. If they had a shitty summer and she was like ragging on him all summer, which is what I heard, why wouldn't he be like, fuck this and like hook up with someone else? Yeah. That's like such a typical thing for a guy to do. I know, but after some reason, I don't feel like it's anything typical with him. I think things run a lot deeper. Like, they were on my show and he just seems like off, you know, like a lot.

I feel like as we know, like with his brother and everything, like shit runs deep. So I really hope he's taking care of himself and, you know, hopefully he's okay after all this. even though I do think, I feel like the calling the camera coot to me is worse than cheating. You know what I mean? I feel like that's even more freaking disrespectful. But let's pivot for a minute from reality TV because the Sophie and Joe divorce, the Sophie and Joe divorce. And now Sophie was seen with Taylor Swift. Yeah.

Yeah. What did you think when we woke up to that, to that pick? Well, I knew about it last night. People were sending me picks. Oh, it was already last night. Yeah. I was sleeping. Yeah.

I was up. People sending me picks. I don't know. So many people were there. I was like, how are all of... They were at Via Corota? Yeah. And it wasn't, I saw that there was a crowd formed outside when she left, but people were sending me the sighting way before that. And I was like, how are so many of you? Yeah. Excuse me. I'd love to know. No, no. Excuse me. Excuse me. I'd love to know because I've never been. Yeah. It's so, some people were passing by and they saw her. And then some people were having dinner there at the same time. And I got a couple pictures. I got a video. But of course, you know, my timing was off. I should have posted it before the paparazzi pictures came out. But I didn't know they would come out that night. Do you know what I mean? And I wasn't going to post it while she was still eating. Right. Because that's like terrible. Respectful dough. Do. So I waited and now like, you know, I was, I was late.

So now it's everywhere. But yeah, I knew last night. I was like, I want to know. How does this go down? Is this normal friend-to-friend-friend tags, hey, want to grab dinner? For sure. I knew Sophie was in New York City because I had a sighting of her earlier in the week. So I think maybe she was like, I'm in New York. You know, Taylor, obviously, you know, she's been going through a hard time. Yeah. And it's a power move.

Like, Taylor knows where to go to get the pop rock. So that's my question. Do you agree with the statement that celebs, if they don't want to be seen, they won't be seen? 100%. There's so many celebrities that aren't seen. Right. And people are like, where's so and so, where's so and so? And I'm just like, they're alive.

Like, that's why I call it like proof of life. I'm like, we have proof of life. Sean Mendez was seen at Erwan, but, you know, he's not going to these places where there's paparazzi waiting outside. But Villarota has paparazzi waiting outside all the time. I think they followed her probably from her apartment to Via Corota. But it is a power. So you're saying, okay, so even if we go with a friend to friend text, I'm in New York,

let's grab dinner, it was still a move. Like, okay, maybe they didn't call PR. Let's put it this way. Via Corota delivers. So if they really wanted via Corota, they could have had it in the confines of Taylor's private apartment. They wanted a night out. They knew what they would be seen.

And listen, that fucking photo is powerful as fuck. More than, more than worse. More than words. More than words. You know? Yeah. It was a power move. And I support it 100% for Sophie because she had a rough, you know,

month. But she did have a rough month, but I want to tell you, it was wild to me that the media chose the right side so quickly, you know? Because they saw what was going on. Like TMZ, it was just too obvious. It was too obvious. What TMZ was doing. It was like headline after headline and it was like, wait a minute here. I know. This is getting fishy. How dumb do they think we are that they thought that would work on us? I am really proud of us as a society that, because that probably would have worked five years ago. You know what I mean? Right. Well, you know, I know who his PR person was for this. And she's fired. That's all I'll say. Was? This is the key word. Well, is for this situation. And, you know, that was. Handles so, I mean, the tactic that they

decided to use. You know what I just wonder. Like, after this, like with celebrities, they always have, their lives are so accentuated. But this happens. How do you even co-parent after this? How do you do the drop off and see his fucking face, knowing he went out to that lunch, held the fucking kid that was never paparazzied before, you know, how, how does she look at him? Like, I would be, you know, like, how does she fucking look at him? But I am, like I said, proud of our society for moving forward, proud of the media for catching on, but did it for you, or am I just too much of a cynical bitch? It got to a point where the media was going to overdrive on it, that it already was.

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I hate when people kind of find a reason to come at people. So I'm not coming at anyone. But I do feel like he has a case of the Harry Styles, like queer baiting situation a little bit, you know? Really? I don't see that. But he like makes out with dudes all the time.

Oh, he does? I never knew that about him. This is news to me. Well, yeah, he just, he did it on stage. And now he just made out with Gail Garcia Bernal,

which I used to love. He's like, a Latin actor and a lot of independent movies. I was very cool when I was younger. I'd go to see independent movies. Yeah, he made out with him for his new,

like, video. And I'm like, oh, this isn't the first time he's like doing this thing. So is it to kind of like be, for shock value. I know that Harry does like a lot of pride moments with the flag and with everything, which I think is so important and that he's an ally is amazing. But I wonder if people

in the community ever feel like, okay, but are you gay? Oh yeah. I'm sure. Yeah. But I don't know again, like if it's that premeditated. Yeah. When Maddie Healy did it on stage, kissed another guy. I don't know. Well, you're telling me Bad Bunny did it in a music video. So that would have been something that was planned. I never knew this about him. What are your thoughts on that? What are your thoughts on Maddie Healy. I really, honestly, I don't know. He was never on my radar. Yeah. Before he started dating Taylor. So I didn't know anything about him. I literally didn't know one thing. And then he started dating Taylor and then all these sound bites of offensive things that he has said came out. You know, I didn't listen to them in full. Have you? I haven't listened to

any. I just got the sound bites. Yes, they were offensive. They were horrible. But, you know, there's people that are defending him saying. Do you think? She broke it off with him because those things started to come out. Yes. Yeah. So a lot of things in this world, like, are not premeditated, but are very like not the way we would do things in real life necessarily. You know what I mean? Like she cannot be with somebody like that.

So it could be like personal. Like it actually offended her and she doesn't want to be with someone like that. I was just going to say that. I was just going to say maybe she was like, this isn't what I believe in. Yeah. You know, even if it is not his real personality and he was just, you know, doing it for shock. value. I don't align with these morals and I can't be around that, you know. But that doesn't mean that she doesn't still have lingering feelings for her. Did you, I don't. Do you ever have

rumors on like what happened with her and Joe? No, that was so long ago. I haven't heard one thing about that. No. Did you buy into the fact that they were like engaged? Oh, Joe Alwyn. I was, oh, not Joe Jonas. I thought you meant Joe Jonas. I was like, what? Yes, I've reported on this so much. You know, people are giving me so much shit that I said that her and Joe were married. I was, married. I've gotten so, so much shit. And it's like, listen, when have I fucking lied? When have I lied? Why would I lie about that? Wait, you said they were married, not engaged? I used the word married because there was a ceremony during COVID where they, a commitment ceremony, it wasn't legal, but it was it was being relayed to me as them being married. I found out later it wasn't a legal

ceremony. They had a ceremony in the UK, but they didn't file the paperwork. afterwards to make it legal. Wow. So something must have happened. Do you think it was just like an amicable? No, it wasn't amicable at all. So she broke up with him? I do think that at the end of the day, it was kind of mutual. I think that he did. Oh, mutual but not amicable. Right. I do think that he, you know, kind of like did not let her fly her wings. I do think that that that narrative where like he wanted to stay home. He didn't want her to be this big celebrity. He loved COVID Taylor where it was just like the two

of them holed up in some cottage in the UK. Like that is that I've heard is all true. So I think that, you know, with Ariana. Oh really? I didn't hear. No, I mean, oh yeah. Actually, I... She cheated. What are you talking about? She had an affair.

No, I know, but I did hear that like it was again a COVID situation. Like when it was good and the reason they got married. Do you know what I mean? Was like, she was COVID Ariana and he was like really into that. And then it's like you go back into the real world. She's this huge celebrity.

He lives a super low key life. Yes. And then plus the cheating. But like I think that, wow, there is really like a theme here. There's going to be history classes on this. So there were COVID celebrities and they could date normies or like they could date like Joe's not a normie, but they could be more normal and maybe have. better relationships because of COVID. Right. No, 100% that's what happened with Joe and Taylor.

You know, I think that they lived in this like little bubble during COVID and they had this ceremony. It was, first of all, it was told to me by a very reliable source and then it was confirmed by many people that there was some sort of ceremony. I was calling it married. I was calling it a wedding. I maybe overstated. So people like, you know, didn't understand when they broke up. First of all, even if they were married, people who are married break up all the time. Like, why can't Swifties like wrap their head around my concept?

Okay, how do you deal with Swifties? Oh my God. Well, for this, I had to block so many people because people were like... Oh, you're still on, you still block? Are you still on like if someone pisses me off or talk shit I block? 100%. Listen, I am just relaying information that I hear. I rarely give my opinion on things.

So if you're attacking me for something that I'm just telling you that I heard, you are fucking unhinged. Get the fuck off my page. Wait, I have to tell you, selenators, we'll debate soon who's crazier. But selenators are so crazy. I found this so funny. So I put, yes. And here's the thing with me. I like to piss them off a little bit because they'll get mad like you said at just like things that aren't mean.

They act like I've said like she's an ugly ass disgusting bitch. Exactly. So I posted the other day like that photo, Selena posted with T. Taylor and I was like her only friend in the industry wink and that's just like snark you know that's just like a little because remember when when selina said that Taylor was only her only friend in the industry and then Francia Raisa got mad because she gave her a kidney yeah okay so I was just making that little like beep and then like her fans were like you must really hate her like why do you fucking hate her so much and I'm like are you okay like how does this relay hate you know how does you take this little like No, you can't say anything. You can't say. I don't know if it's just, like, young people that are the ones that have the loudest voices or if it's just truly unhinged crazy people.

But what is it, what is it about? Would you say these are the two wildest fandoms, Taylor and Selena? No, and Harry Styles. Harry has crazy ones too. Oh, yeah. They were, well, you know what? They work okay with me because when the Harry, Olivia, Jason, thing all happened, I, unlike like the Joe and Sophie situation, which is why I said this time,

like, I'm not like a blind feminist, you know, like I don't always support the woman if it's not, you know, just to support the woman. Because when that went down, I was very much like, I know that Olivia Wilde blew up her life for Harry. Like, I would say that. Right. Maybe we had disagreements on that, too. No, we had it one disagreement.

It had to do with Jason Studecas. Do you remember? No, do you? like if he was shitty or not, I don't remember. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I know it had to do with Jason. The serving her. Maybe I know it had to do with Jason because you told me your source.

Yeah. And it had to do something with Jason. Like in a certain way. You didn't say it was exactly this person and this was their name. That I was very passionate about because when I heard the story and like knew it was true, like, you know when you just know it's true because of who's telling you and like they wouldn't lie. Yeah. Oh my God.

No, yes, 100%, which is why on my gravestone, it will say Taylor and Joe had a fucking ceremony in the UK during COVID because, yes, I know my fucking stories. And I wouldn't also like, why would I lie? I don't give a shit. Like, let me ask you a question. I've said this before and people were like, oh, why are you saying that? Like, I don't care about celebrity gossip. Like, that's not why I'm in this.

Oh. I really don't care. Like, it's not like I'm just relaying. Wait, so why are you in this? I love the community. I love the branding part of it. I love the marketing part of it. I love the business part of it. Wait, you really don't care? No. I don't care. I don't give a shit. Like some of the information is like interesting. But like I could do without hearing about a celebrity for a month like straight on a deserted island and I would be fine. Oh my God. So we're not the same in that. I'm the most passionate about this. I'm not emotionally invested. Oh my God. I'm so emotionally invested. That I post about. that's great for you but I just think it works better for me no because again like you know it's like I'm trying to give you give people like real information oh because you're like I don't care I have no like what do they call it skin like you do have skin in the game but it's like you're

not right yeah you don't feel passionately one way or the other you're just saying what's out there okay that might that actually is good for you because I mean what we do is different and you know I talk about opinions and you more say things that you have heard and know and whatever. So it's very different. We're not the same person, you guys. Surprise, even though we could both have annoying voices.

Let's do our most annoying voice for people listening. Do they say you sound or do they say you have, what's that called? Vocal fright. Look it up. Vocal fry. I might have an annoying girl voice, but I don't have vocal fright. YouTube it. It's not what you think it is.

It's not this. No, we don't have that. No, we don't. You just have annoying, we have annoying girl East Coast voice. Straight up, annoying girl East Coast. Not vocal fry, but you know what's annoying. And like, I love just saying things are sexist all the time. There are some things that are wildly sexist because you know how many dudes have vocal

fry and no one's coming at them for that. Yeah. So notice now because of vocal fry is when they like, think about like somebody not clearing their throat. Right. Right. Well, vocal fry is like that. Like, oh my God.

Which, like, I'll say this once and I'll say it again. Could there be times where I accentuate my annoying East Girl voice, such accent? Yes, because it's fun. Like, it's so much, like, in my opinion, like, Courtney Kardashian could probably talk more normal. But it's more fun for her to be like, you know, it's just more fun. It gives a little spice in your life to, like, have a certain. Yeah, I mean, I think, like, probably in real life, I might have vocal fry, but when I'm talking on my podcast, I make it. a point to really try to accentuate each...

Wait, let's talk about you for a second. Word. Because you lied to me. About what? You told me when your book came out, you were like maybe... Oh, we would have drinks? First, yes, that's one of the lies. And second is that, like, maybe...

I don't know if you said that you would come out to the world or you said you would come out to me. No, I fucking never said I was coming out to the world or you. But I did say we would get drinks. But I'm honestly, like, I'm so busy. Like I can't even make plans with my friends. Do you trust me? No, we could totally have drinks. Are you kidding? Yeah, you are. Well, let's text. Like I text a lot of people. I text a lot of. But do they know who you are? No. No. They don't. I mean, except for like my lawyer and my publicist. I don't have a publicist right now, but agents. So, so, so, so, so the answer is no. People don't know who you are even in the industry. No. No. I have not said, hello. My name is blah, blah, blah. But if we have drinks, you're going to have to have to fucking tell me. I am. Why can't you? Why can't you? you just call me do. Are you fucking joking me?

Wait, are you serious? No, are you kidding? No, I have meetings where my screen is black and it says do. No, but if I meet you in real life, you're not going to be in a screen. Okay. All right, fine. No, I need to, I need to know. Okay, I'm going to ask you another question, though.

Haley Bieber. Yes. Why does she hate you? Why does she talk about it on the Wall Street Journal, whatever that was interview? The Wall Street Journal panel? It was a panel. Was it Wall Street Journal? Yeah, that kind of like, I side-eyed that so hard because I thought it was so, what a dumb, and I don't even blame her.

What a dumb question by the moderator. What did he ask? He asked what she thought of the account. It's like, you're in a fucking Wall Street Journal panel. Like, why are you asking Haley Bieber what she thinks about an Instagram? But still, well, she said, she said something that was like totally untrue. I mean, and then it blew up in her face because then eyebrow gate happened. and she got dragged by everyone on the internet.

What was her answer to him that she doesn't like gossip? No, she said it was a me. I was mean. I'm like, I am so far from mean. Why does she think that you're mean to her? Have you ever been? No.

Well, this is my theory of why she started to not like the account a long time ago. Somebody had sent in a tip that she was pregnant. And like I often do, I'll post a tip and then if it's wrong, I'll post a corresponding slide of someone. refuting that that piece of gossip and that's what I did for her but for some reason like us weekly picked it up and they were going to run a story maybe they had their own sources as well I don't think they were citing my account at this time I think that they saw the tip and

got their own sources and they were going to run a story about how she's pregnant and she found out about it and called out us weekly about it so I think that maybe she was pissed by the way there were rumors again which I didn't repost any of them because I don't repost about it. I mean, listen, like, she... Wait, so did you decide, were you like, okay, if she doesn't like me and she feels so strongly, I'm just not going to... Like, yes. Would you never, even if she got pregnant?

If she fucking gave birth, would you post about it? No, but I had to post about the Selena and Kylie thing because that was such a big deal. And, you know, obviously her name came up in that. Literally, my theory is, because I think she doesn't like me either. And, like, my listeners know about this theory. Do you care? Do you fucking care? I do.

Because I'll tell you, why? I like to be liked. I have an issue. Second of all, I don't know if you remember, but I used to worship at her altar. No, oh, I remember. I used to be like, I posted her outfits of the day. I'd be like her style.

This is before I knew that like Mabel O'Reilly was like laying everything out. You know, I was like, she dresses so cool. And I would like fail. And I would just be like, she's the sweetest or loves the sweetest. Like I was. So to me, like you kind of like, think you remember. I'm like, what did I ever? Like, how, how aren't you all over me? So my thing is like, maybe she doesn't like gossip accounts. Maybe she was so burned. She definitely, she definitely

doesn't like gossip accounts, but to me, she has bigger problems than that. Because there are people all over TikTok. And I've like defended her. Selenators hate it. Haped her new one. Hate me for, for, for, because of her. Because I have defended her in every Selena fight, not because I'm sucking her dick, because I could easily suck Selena's dick, and maybe I'd have more of a chance there. But it's like, if I feel a certain way, then I'm not going to be afraid to say it, you know? Why are you sucking anyone's dick? Not like, who gives a shit? No, because people would say, like, you're sucking Haley's dick.

And I'm like, literally, no skin in the game. She doesn't even like me. And I'm still like, or I'm assuming she doesn't. But maybe I think you're taking it too personally. Like, I don't think she doesn't like you. I think maybe she just doesn't care about you. Accounts. No, accounts like this.

You know, like she doesn't align herself with accounts, like ours. She is, she's in the beauty business and she aligns herself with influencers that are in that same, like, world. Although I did see Hannah Burner interview her, right, which I thought was interesting. Yeah, but everyone else at that event, I think, was very beauty. And like, I'm not a big going to events person. So, like, I don't know if I would even go. to like just stand there. That always makes me feel weird

unless I had like an interviewing opportunity or something like that. So yeah, I think that a few things led me to believe that I'm not saying she outwardly is like mean girlsing my, you know, picture. I think that maybe it's like,

I don't touch that. Listen, we're in this world where you know how much visibility there is on social media. It's hard to not see something. You know what I mean? So like you,

I'm assuming you know that if you post, even if they're not following you. Yes, they see it. They'll see it. Someone 100%. Their friend will see it. Their assistant will see it. Their manager will see it. Someone will see it. So I feel like I've had enough times with Haley where I posted really great things about her, supported her

fucking smoothie or whatever, where I'm like, I know she saw that a gazillion times and is just choosing to like not associate. And yeah. Maybe she doesn't feel like her brand aligns with your brand. Probably not. You know, it was so wild to me when Justin was getting all that shit for dressing up in sweatpants that day. Do you remember? Yes. I was literally like it's a launch of a lip gloss in a donut shop. You know what I mean? Like he did you did you post that? Did you defend it? Yeah. Oh my God. I fucking defended it. I was like he is too cool for this. Like he is the cool like he could do whatever he wants. But don't you agree? Like at the end of the day. Oh yeah. I think people like who cares like you know. A who cares be like he's been around the he's been on like the biggest

stages in the world. You know what I mean? Like, he's in a crispy cream in Times Square. It's like the most undesirable place. Maybe this is why Haley hates me. I think at the end of the day, even though I did worship at her altar, I probably have said some snark the same way with the Kardashians, right? Like I've, yeah, talked a lot of nice things about them. But throughout the years, I've said snarky things, not necessarily mean, but snarky. And I think the Kardashians know how to take that really well. Well, I was just going to say, yeah, like, I think that they have a good sense of humor. And if it's not, like, super, super mean-spirited. Do you know how many people have a good sense of humor? It's so refreshing to me. Okay, maybe she doesn't. I don't think she has a good sense of humor. I think she takes

herself too seriously. I think she's proven that, you know, like, but also in the flip side of it, she gets a lot of fucking hate on the internet. So, you know, maybe she's like, doesn't know how to handle anything. You're right. I mean, it. is I wouldn't want to be in her shoes. I see, but the Kardashians do too. I mean, can any outlet publish anything about these people without the comments being all negative? I wonder about that. I wonder about if they read the comments. I'm sure some of them do and some of them don't. But like any time there's like a collab or another brand will announce a collab with one of them, like if you look at some of the comments, like some are positive and some are just so mean.

But do you think they maybe look at it at this point and even if they do, they're like, this is in affecting my business. Like, it's just growing. I'm getting no brand scares away. You know, no brand is like, whoa, like people, these people really don't like them. Like, they'll keep on getting huge brand deals. So I don't think they're worried about that. But I think that no matter how big you are seeing comments like that hurts. 100%. Like, I think it, I think it depends like how sensitive you are. But, you know, I'll see a mean comment about myself. And I'll just like, you know, at this point, I just, like, roll my eyes and block. But sometimes I'm like, why do you got to be so mean?

Like, none of this is that serious. How much more protected do you feel because you're not known, like your face and your name? Right. I mean, well, listen, like, what would they be talking shit about, like, how I look or how I dress? Right. You know, what my hair looks like. I guess your personality is the worst. Like, that's like where it hurts the most at the end of the day.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like, but I don't give it. Let me tell you something. I could give two shits what anyone says. That's negative. You get to a certain age where you don't give a shit what people think about you. I agree. It is so freeing and it is so liberating. So if I was like 21 years old and doing the same thing and people were criticizing me, would I be more offended? Maybe. But I give two sheds. I agree with that. I think there's like, I'm not with you where like it doesn't bother me. But I, but I will say that I'm very aware and very happy. that I am the age that I'm at when I'm doing this.

Yes. And I think that I see a lot of... It's much easier to navigate the internet when you're older. Yeah. And this world and not getting, you know, and not getting too wrapped up in it. And I see like sometimes younger people, you know, that have started in this industry and just see them like, you know, not falling apart, but yeah, taking things pretty roughly. Yeah.

And you're like, okay, it's also age. Well, thank you for coming out. Do you have anything coming out, anything we should? My paperback book of a non-please comes out November 20th, and I have an app. I'm developing an app. Amazing. Yeah. That's going to be great.

I know. And more merch, more merch, more merch coming. More merch and app like that's going to be like updates on, on pub culture and stuff. The first rollout is going to be all restaurants. Ooh. We can, okay, final and most important question. Can you get me a reservation of via Corona? Probably.

Okay. I'll tell you when I need it. Okay. All right. I got to go. Love you. Bye. Okay, babe.

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