Not Skinny But Not Fat - Don’t Call Her A Newbie w/ VPR’s New Star Dayna Kathan

Episode Date: April 21, 2020

Today I am joined by the breakout star of season 8 of VPR – Dayna Kathan. After resolving our misunderstandings – we might have almost had a *Mandy Moore* situation on our hands – Dayna forgives me for my bitchy story about her (can we blame my pregnancy savageness?) and tells me all about Max, Brett, how the OG’s welcomed her, who she is closest with, what she was doing before getting cast, and how she’s keeping her expectations at bay. She addresses the “phat pussy” comment and how she is dealing with the support/criticism of being a reality star. The Not Skinny But Not Fat Podcast is produced by The Podglomerate.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

She came up to me at Tom Tom, probably, like, three months ago, and we were really busy, and she, like, waved me down. I was like, that's weird because, like, if we're really busy, she'll, you know, won't, like, stop and talk. Right. And they came into it, and she was like, darling, that pussy. Are you kidding me? And I was, and so she had just seen it.

And I was like, Lisa, God, I'm sorry. Like, that's not what it meant, blah, blah. Oh, my God. She's like, oh, my God. This is not skinny, but not fat. And I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recap. and anything happening in Hollywood right now

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and loving thing you can do for the podcast. So like I said, go to Apple Podcasts, rated five stars, write a little titty-bitty, and let me know that you did. And I will give you a big virtual hug. Okay, guys, I have the new star of my Bravo OGB Vanderpump rules, Dana. Hi, guys. I always feel like such, I feel like such a poser whenever I say guys, because you know, I always like, swipe up, you guys. And I'm like, not that. It's hard to be a person. It's hard to be a person who kind of makes fun of things because then you can't do the things that you make fun of and then you do the things and you feel stupid. So you have to make fun of the thing that you did.

Right. Right. Exactly. Just calling a spade of spade here. But like I want to be like, hey guys, but it just feels so weird. Yeah. I've done made fun of swipe ups so many times, but then have done swipe ups. And it's just like you have to own it. You know, you have to just feel like your swipe up is a little different from like, hey guys, sweep up. And just hope that people get it and aren't mad at you. I mean, listen, we're all sometimes a little bit can be a little hypocritical. Like, you can make fun of high guys and then say, hey, guys. So we're good. So Dana's here today. Kathyn. How do you pronounce your last name? Kaython. Like Nathan with a Kethan. Oh, like Nathan with a K. Okay. I get it.

And you've been killing it on this season of Vanderpump Rules. Like, it's kind of the Dana show. I have to say. Oh, I would definitely not go that far, but it's been an interesting experience because when you're new and you start filming, you definitely don't know if you'll even make it on the show.

It's just the whole thing is a gamble and it's just been a trip every week watching it and being like, that's it me. It me there. Can you tell us like as much as you can of how you join the show? Like you were working at Sir? No.

So I used to have a really serious corporate job, which I had for the last six years of my life and had just moved to L.A. and I didn't move here for entertainment or to do anything other than my corporate job. Like I plan on retiring in that. And sometimes life has other plans. And I had moved here because my territory expanded up to L.A. And at the time, I was living in San Diego and I was really unhappy. So I was like, well, my territory's up there. Why don't I just move? and give it a shot before I, like, give up on California and go back to Seattle. So two weeks after I moved here, I ended up going out with some girls I knew from college. And that's the night that I ended up meeting the guys.

And I was actually on an episode in season seven. Oh, my God, the Mondrian. The Mondrian. I was one of the hos in the hotel. So I had like the all black outfit on and the, like, Tom and I did a walk off and I was wearing his hat. but um so we met we met them and like liked all of them had a really fun night it was super innocent and it's so funny now watching that back everyone's like you hooked up with peter you did this you did that no so i love that like i remember when you came on the first um episode like i

watch all vanderpump but i didn't like exactly remember and then they showed that and then that whole thing where peter's like hey dana so uh this should you know and want this to be awkward because we hooked up and you're like um no he didn't and then you had that really great line which was like i think i'd remember if i hooked up with the pirate and i was like okay i like her like that's funny and also for peter a little bit no the thing is i i work with peter i love peter he's definitely a friend of mine now but at the time like it was that was the first day i met everyone and i was already feeling weird and i was like why is he pulling me aside right now and then to say that something happened when it didn't like i know how it looks i really don't care

at this point I've said several times like we had microphones on audio bravo can pull the audio you know like I know what happened to that bathroom and so does he and it's not what he said so it feel like is this reality TV like do people make shit up like what's happening well that's what was really jarring for me I was like what is going why like that's not my personality to ever say something happened when it didn't like I don't lie I'm very open and straightforward and I was just really caught up guard by the whole thing so I don't know if he was just really drunk and that's what he remembers but we definitely We didn't even kiss. Like literally nothing happened.

But on the flip side, I do know how it looks that way. But the whole thing is that what people didn't know because no one knew who I was or gave a fuck about me when I was on that episode, I had a boyfriend at the time who I was obsessed with, who I very much saw a future with. So like me particularly, I wasn't trying to hook up with anyone there. Like I was, I knew my boyfriend was going to see whatever happened and was, you know, thinking about that the whole time. So we meet them that night.

that happens. I never think anything's going to come of it again. I go back to work my normal life. Like two months later, that boyfriend broke up with me. And I was devastated and was just like trying to figure out what I was going to do in a new city. Like I have a tendency to be self-destructive. And I was like, okay, here's a chance. Like, didn't work out. You really liked him. What's something you can do that's positive and you can put your energy toward, you know, this situation you're going through. And I had been wanting to do stand-up comedy for a really long time and he I would tell him about it a lot and he kind of I feel like he always had like a mocking tone like yeah you should do that and so I decided to write my first open mic set and the week after

he broke up with me I ended up doing my first open mic and film up with it and so I started doing stand-up comedy just out of the hobby like I never thought that was going to be anything for me either but then I was like you know this could really be a thing and I do live in L.A. and why don't I take a chance and changed my life, but I've always known the corporate world. So what would I do for money if I wasn't in a corporate job and had remembered the Tom's and that they were talking about Tom Tom. And so I ended up working there and then one thing led to another and I found myself on the show.

Oh my geez. That's it. Wait, so you left the corporate job when you decided to kind of pursue stand-up because you couldn't do both? So I did do both, but I was basically working at the restaurant and seeing if I could put up with doing an industry job that would. like leaving the corporate world basically. So I did both for a few months

and then ended up leaving the corporate job. So you didn't know or had any like kind of feeling or like that working at Tom Tom would lead to you being on the show? No, they had definitely reached out to me also and like we, I just had talked to them and it was just kind of like it could happen but it also could not.

There was no guarantees. It was like, well, if you are changing your life and you are doing entertainment, why don't you work at a restaurant where that would be a possibility be like I would definitely be lying if I said it wasn't but it in no way did I think it was going to end up being what it has been. Wow. That's a story and also you're 29, 28? I'm 29. I'm 29. First of all love that. That's the thing about Vanderpump roles that I love is like a lot of reality TV shows everyone's

like 22 and it's annoying. And then Vanderpump, I mean the OGs are even older. They're like in the mid-30s and, I mean, Jackson is already 40, but I like that, like, you know, you're an adult, you're a woman, you're out in the world, you worked a real job. It's not like your first job ever was waitressing. And that makes it, I feel like, more relatable. And that's why it works. Well, honestly, I'm calling this my gap year. Like, I still don't know what I'm going to do. And there has been some discomfort that came along with leaving the corporate world, right? I was making a good amount of money, everything was stable. And in my 20s, my personal life was horrifying. Like, that part was really hard for me and like family stuff, but then the only

stabilizing thing in my life was my job. So I've been like kind of playing with it and seeing what happened with the show. And I'm still not 100% sure what I'm going to do. But I, like we said, I was 28 when we started filming. I turned 29 during the season. And I was like, if not now, when. So I might as well just jump off. And I do feel like older to be starting to be, entertainment and in the public eye, but I just think when opportunities come to you, you have to jump on them and so you're not worrying in, you know, 20 years, what would have happened had I taken that chance instead of being in corporate meetings all these time and doing all this shit. It's crazy that you're saying that your whole life, you haven't been a person that was drawn to

entertainment or performing that it's sort of one thing led to another? Like was comedy in the back of your mind? But you were like, ugh, I'll never really do it. So yes. And it's kind of an interesting story. I'm glad you brought that up because so my dad is a musician. And he's not in my life anymore. But we grew up really low middle class. Like my parents had a carpet, small carpet cleaning company that my dad actually still runs. And then he also drummed on the side. And he did see some success for anyone listening. I don't know. your age range of viewers, but there's a band called Bad Company. And my dad was the drummer for the lead singer of that band for like 12 years of my childhood. Oh, wow. So he was gone a lot

and he was touring. And I just saw what it was like to not have parents coming from an educated background who had stable jobs where it was like nine to five and everything was, you know, white picket fence. I had a really non-traditional childhood. So my mom really pressured my sister and I because we were first generation college students to go to school and get a normal job and be financially independent. And I held on to that so tightly in my 20s when everything else happened. And then she also always told me, my mom was one who said she thought I was going to be a stand comedian also. Like she put that in my head and she saw me being something other than that, but like more so have a corporate job and have something to fall back on. And the thought

of taking that leap and doing something in entertainment and reliving certain traumas of my childhood has always been really scary to me. And it is, it continues to be scary to me. Like, I have not had an easy last six months. It's been really tough. But I also see the light of the end of the tunnel and feel like there might be something really big in store for me. So I'm really trying to lean in right now. But it's definitely comes from, I don't want to live my childhood over again. Like I did that once. I'm done with it. What does that mean? What do you mean live your childhood over again? Meaning just like having a really, being really financially unstable and not having a secure job and a steady job and knowing exactly what you're going to make and when you're going

to make it and having health insurance and all those things. Like that's what I grew up like. Where did, did you go to college in Seattle? Um, in Washington on the east side of the state. I went to Washington State University. That's, I mean, first of all, my dad is not in my life either, so I can, you know, relate on, on that level. And, you know, when you talk about your mom's passing on the show, it's so emotional. And I, you know, you just, grab your relationship with your mom as being just like your best friend and everything to you. So I can even start, you know, crying right now about it. And you talk about it. And I'm sure it gives strength to people who have lost loved ones. And, and I mean, now knowing that what you said about

your father, so you're kind of, you're like braving the world all by yourself. And that's, that's amazing. Good for you. Absolutely. Well, thank you. I mean, it wasn't easy at the time. And it's not like I was totally, totally alone. I had my sister and we're very close. And it was so cool to see her be on the show. And that was really exciting for us. But I mean, her and I, what on the show? When was she on the show? She was on my birthday episode. It was really quick. So it was like two episodes ago, but she walked in. She was in town. She came into town for my birthday. And so that was my sister who like I came into the bar with and Lisa met her. And yeah, it was really cute. Her big television debut. But we had each other. So we don't have a big, we don't have a big, we don't have a big

extended family though so it really was just like the two of us but she's my rock and I really kind of gotten through that time without her and also moving to california I mean you said you moved for a job but you moved by yourself or like with roommates or something no completely alone and I was because I was so unhappy in Seattle and had been for such a long time and it just like nothing was changing and I didn't have family there tying me down anymore beside my sister and my two best friends who I consider my chosen family. But like my sister is always going to be my sister. My friends will always be my friends.

And I just had an opportunity to move with my first healthcare sales job to San Diego. And I was like, I'd been there a lot because our company was based there. And I was like, well, that sounds fun and different. And, you know, why not just try. Maybe I could be happier somewhere else. Like I feel really lonely in the city I was born and raised in. So I'd rather feel lonely somewhere where I don't know anyone. That's a big thing to do by herself.

But is, was it, did you like San Diego? It's like on the beach. Was it like a better vibe? Hated San Diego personally. So and that's just me. And like everyone, it's a beautiful place and I feel like it's fun to visit in the weekends, but it just wasn't my vibe. Like I was there for a year and a half. I met maybe a handful of people. I never connected to it. The pace was a lot slower. And yeah, the weather's beautiful and there's beaches. But it just ended up not being for me. Whereas LA, when I moved here within a week, I was like, oh my God, I'm home. I'm never going back to Seattle. Like, this is where I belong. That's so cool. Totally. So I feel really grateful that I didn't give up and just go home and came to L.A. So the OGs, I think, and I believe, like, all of them, you know, were waging at or bartending at CER.

And they wanted to be either actors or musicians or models. And so you coming from the corporate world is, like, very different than where I think most of the cast, like, comes from. 100% like it's but again it was just kind of like a if not now when and why not just take this chance because to be honest even right now I could go back to the corporate world anytime like I could I have good contacts I have a solid resume and I think that Dana I don't think you're going to need to I really don't think you're going to need to I mean the thing is I it it so depends on you know where you take it and there are a lot of ways to and you know you'll you'll have a platform and you have a platform already and you'll continue to grow and it's you know what you do

with that platform which that's what I think is really cool about the opportunities because of course a lot of I mean reality stars can get famous off just being on television but then it's like okay but what are you going to do with that are you just going to well to me it's it's just it's not sustainable for in a lot of times and I feel like people don't look at that where as I'm always planning 10 years ahead because I've always had to so like to me I still do have one foot back in the corporate world of knowing that I could, you know, make that jump in any time and go back to a very, you know, boring, albeit and less exciting life, but stable, you know, long-term plan. But I, that's not my hope. Like, I definitely hope it doesn't work out

that way. I hope I do something else. But yeah, but also the, the, oh, geez, if you look at them, they didn't have to, you know, start working corporate jobs. They have, you know, million-dollar homes now and are good to go. So that's, I mean, there were people before you that were in the same place that were able to make it sustainable and hopefully will. I don't know. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's just, but, you know, they started out eight years ago and they've been eight

years of a show. And obviously, it has been a wonky season. Like, I'd love to know what your opinion is on that because just as like having a pulse on the viewers, because a lot of what I see all mine isn't super positive. And people are like, what the fuck is going on? But then I do see some good stuff. So I don't really know. The thing is I watched all of Vanderpump rules.

Like I wasn't even watching it for the whole eight years. Like I, one of my followers one day was like, do you watch Vanderpump Rules? I was like, no, should I? And then I started to imagine, have you watched it, by the way? No, I have not watched all of it. Like I religiously watched the first few seasons. And then when I moved to California, I like, I didn't have cable. And I kind of just stopped watching all my shows.

But that was one of them back in the day. But yeah, I still haven't seen like large chunks. of things that are iconic and big parts of the show. So I started from the beginning and imagine it was like 2019 when I started and I'm watching like for the first time ever, never have seen you started last year. I started literally last year. And it took me kind of a while because I'm not very good at like binging a thousand episodes a day.

And also every season has like 25 episodes. It's not like a 20 minute show. You know what I mean? Yeah. But you know, watching Stasi and Jacks and Kristen and Tom. And, I mean, there were, there was crazy shit going on the first seasons. It was, I mean, the most iconic is obviously Kristen and Jacks, you know, doing it in the living room while, like, Tom is sleeping in the other room. And Stasi and Chris and our best friends.

I mean, there was drama that, like, was so crazy that I was like, this is the best show on reality television. Like, what other show? Because I love the Kardashians and shit like that. But it's like, they'll eat their salads and, like, you know, like, what are they? they doing and here it's like oh my god and then brittany and christin like make out and then it was just like one thing after another and there was constant crazy shit like tom schwartz disappears for an entire night like where it's just it was so crazy that i was like oh my god how did i miss out on this for so many years and i became really obsessed so eight like this season

is the first season i'm watching live like that that i was like okay like i'm like everyone out I'm watching live. So obviously, like, when I heard that they're going to be new people, I was like, uh, new people. And actually, the first episode, I was like, okay, like I was D. I was like, even I didn't know anything about Max or Brett, which it's, do you think it's funny that everyone like confuses them? Yeah, but everyone confuses me and Danica and I'm like, we couldn't be more different. Like, I get that we both have a derivative of blonde hair and blue eyes and have D names, but like people mix us up constantly, like DM me and like say things that she's done. They're commenting on it. Like, are you okay? Do you know who I? Like, you're not talking to the

right person. Like, Max and Brett, to me, and maybe it's because I know them are so different. It's like, unbelievable that people are like, they're the same. I'm like, uh, no, they, they aren't. I think their personalities haven't really been able to, to shine through. And I'm putting aside, like, the fact they made comments, like, racist things when they were younger. Like, on the show, I feel like you can't really tell, like, who they are as people. Um, I do feel like, I feel kind of bad for Danica, I'll tell you the truth, because I feel like she's not getting a good, I don't know if to call it edit, but I don't think she's getting like a good edit on the show or a good reputation. I've seen the things like she kind of like went out, said something back to Stasi on Twitter. Have you seen that? Yeah. And I mean, I don't know, were you, when you came on were you like, because I know you are like an honest person and you aren't like scared to say what you think. But. I am too, but like I feel like if I was coming in, like I would be scared shitless of like la la. Like, you know what I mean? Like I feel like there's some scary, strong, you know, women there. Were you, did you feel intimidated like coming in and being like, hey? Oh, of course. Like I, more so that, you know, the day that I met all of them was the housewarming party. And, you know, it was like, that was intimidating, which you have to keep in mind. They have all this history and they've all been friends for a long time. And, they have, you know, built the show. And so it was like, I know my place from that regard,

but the thing about me is I am really outgoing and I have a really strong personality and I can hold my own with anyone. Like, I don't really let anyone intimidate me because that's just, that's just not how I am. Like, I just feel like I've, I've always keep in mind like I've been through worse when someone tries to like bring some shit to me. Like, you can't possibly put me through anything worse than what I've already gone through. So I don't really care what your, you know, stances. So I, it was more so about like, yeah, I can hold my own, but I do want to be respectful of, you know, getting to know these people and giving them a chance to get to know me and understanding that this is their schtick. So it was definitely intimidating. Did you have any

preconceived notions? I know you didn't watch everything, but you obviously were familiar. Did you have any like preconceived notions about some of the cast or all the cast? Yeah, I would say in general. Like I had an idea of what I thought everyone was at least. Did you have someone in mind and tell us who that you thought you'd, like, connect with the most? I thought that Lala or Ariana. And is that true? Is that what happened? Yeah, I mean, I would definitely say I'm closer to Ariana

because they just don't like see Lala as much or talk to her as much. But I feel like Lala and I connected pretty quickly over our parents. And I think that there are some similar similarities in our personalities. And, you know, she was always really kind to me from the get-go. Like, whereas I was maybe thinking maybe her or K. wouldn't be friendly or, you know, maybe Kristen, but they were all, like, a little housewering party. Like, Katie hugged me right away. It was super sweet, like, open to getting to know me.

And now I'm, Katie's one of the people I'm closest with out of the OGs. Oh, yeah. I love Katie. And I was going to say, like, I know so, like, from what I gathered, most of the OGs love you. Like, I feel like you've had a lot. I mean, it's not luck because it's who you are, but it must feel good to, like, be so accepted and embraced and loved and like, you know, I could even understand their place

if they were like a little hesitant at first, but good for them and good for you that they were like, come hither and like took you in in a way. It's nice to say. What's funny is I feel like it was like toward the end of the season that we really started to get to know each other and then even after filming was when I really got close

with the people I'm now close with. And so it's like it's funny to see what would happen if I do next season, if I'm brought back if I want to and you know what that would look like with now having the relationships that I do. Because at the time, it was just, yeah, I was so new and they didn't really know me,

but it happened more so after film and wrap. Oh, I see what you're saying. And the only person that kind of wasn't embracing you is Sheena, which like I was trying to think back, I was like, okay, so she didn't really like the fact that you were dating Max. I didn't really like the fact that you went out with Brett. But she did apologize. Was that surprising?

Like knowing she and I think people were kind of shocked. because I don't think we've seen her, like, really apologize. And I've seen that not only did she do it on the show, but that she actually, like, meant it and, like, regrets treating you the way that she did. I guess, I mean, I don't know if, like, surprise would be the right word. It was, I mean, if you looked at our history, maybe, like, I would have been more surprised that had happened that quickly about Max or whatever. But I think that her and I had come a long way and we weren't interested in backsliding.

And it was... I mean, anything with Sheena can be really easily triggering for me because that was the only issue that I had starting out and meeting everyone. And it was really, really frustrating to deal with. And like, it's funny when people say, like, shit on the show is made up. Like, that was all, like, that happened. That's how it was. And having to deal with her and the hostility in the beginning was really hard for me. But I think that she definitely took steps to right her wrongs. I mean, yeah, I can see why I know, like, the thing is, I tell people this all the time, even if I can get sometimes, disappointed and say like, ugh, like, you know, this event or whatever was thrown to get them all together or like, you know, the dog funeral, which I'm like, did they really, but like,

I even know, and you're on the show. So, and you're telling us this, like, the shit that goes down is real. And the cast like, it takes shit really personally and even, you know, you film this what in the summer? And cast members are still feeling feelings about shit that they did on the show, that they're now seeing like the shit that goes down is real. But I think what she was just like the way she was towards you felt very like so high school and so like you would watch on like, so you go like, na, nina, nini, that like that's I feel like why it felt like, like if she was just talking shit about you, you'd be like, oh, okay, she's like being a hater kind of and you're like new and you, the guys like you and she like likes the guys.

but I think it was because the way she like confronted you about things and the way she was so like just plain out mean to you just because you're either new or that the guys were into you and not into her was just so like oh did she really like talk shit behind her back like a normal person right no it was like I mean she can she can say it till the cows come home she definitely had a chip on her shoulder about max which that's fine I don't know why she tries so hard to make it seem like it had absolutely nothing to do with him. because it did. And there were, I mean, there were other things too. Well, she bought him an Apple Watch, Dana. You have to like understand that, you know? Right. And I mean, basically an engagement ring for a guy. So I get it. But, you know, but there are other people like, you know, Charlie and Danica and she, I think she likes to have a bunch of like 25 year old groupies around her that are yes people. And I think that she saw really quickly that that wasn't my personality. And, you know, she always would say, she's like, you're just coming in hot. You're coming in hot. I'm like, bitch, what the fuck are you talking

about. Like, I am who I am. Like, she wanted you to put your tail between your legs and be like, I'm new, so I'm going to, you know. Yeah. And no. Like they're, like I said earlier, like, yeah, there was an amount of respect that I had for everyone there, but I, I don't change who I am to be around certain people or to make anyone else comfortable or in any situation. Like, who I am on the show is who I am. And who I am off camera, who I am with my close old friends. Like, I, I don't want to be around anyone that I can't be my authentic self with because it's just never going to happen. And you were respectful because I remember some situations where, you know, when she told you to, you know, I don't know, I don't remember clean the glasses or, you know, things that she wasn't telling other people like to her face, you were like, okay, okay, Sheena. Like you weren't like, well, I'm about to start some shit. But also at the end of the day, like in situations like this that are filmed, I think, you know, Sheena lost that battle on both counts. A, like you came out the bigger person like in front of her, but also in front of. of the world. Like, I don't think anybody was like,

Sheena's right for, you know, just being a bitch to her for no reason. I think Sheena's a good person and she probably meant her apology, but she's also probably regretting that it came out kind of like, like we said, like kind of high school-y. I would also agree with that. I think that Sheena's a good person. I've said that many times. I care about her and her and I have had an up and down relationship and it's tough.

And even seeing it back, like, because we already, you know, we got past all that. And then now seeing it back and seeing how snarky things she says about me. I do too, but I definitely think she's more like below the belt, like tries to make, you know, little digs everywhere. And I'm just like, it's, it's hard to relive that and have to. What about you not wearing a bra? Oh my God. Well, no, just like everything in general. She, you know, she like went around was telling people that I had to leave Tom Tom because I slept with Max. And she also made it

seem like in the beginning it was such a random thing. But you have to understand Max and I had a flirtation for two months. And it was like clear that we liked each other. And then it was heading into being a thing. And then we did end up sleeping together. And then I was, but I was already leaving to work at serve. Like it was just, it had already happened. There was just a serving position available. That's where they, you know, where I wanted to be and then I moved. Like it had nothing. It's not like, I slept with Max so I have to leave. Like, and it just, and also like, I'm just not down with slut shaming ever in any form. Like, it's 20-20. I think we can all gather. I'm a pretty liberal gal and straightforward. And like, it's when women do that to other women,

especially women who have a track record of being promiscuous, like you, like that's just such a low below the belt thing to do. And I even texted her about that. I was like, that's really pisses me off that you said that. But like, you know,

it was I had to leave because of Max and like slut to me. She slept with her boss. Like, stop trying to make it out something to me. It's not. And it's, you just need to do better. It's 2020.

Like, stop. But that's the thing. It must be because I'm sure like we said, like you're new to this and it comes with the whole thing with the good stuff, with the perks, the fun things, but it also comes with even just that, like the confessionals, like, you think you're cool, but then you fucking watch the show and those confessionals can be

brutal sometimes, like, because that's where you basically like talk shit about what just happened. So how is that going for you? Just like watching it back and seeing, you know, different cast members say different things, even though I feel like, like I said, like my general vibe is that everyone has a really positive kind of energy with you and maybe really, would Sheena be the only person that you got upset with

during confessionals? Yeah, I would say during the season. After the season, there was other things with other people, but it would be mostly Sheena. But even then, like, it's still not something I always have a little bit of a pit in my stomach before I watched the episode. And I'm sure she would agree. And also, I think that

this was a really hard season for her in general. I think that she was going through a lot in her personal life and maybe that contributed to why she acted the way she did toward me. But I'm sure she feels the same way that it's not super fun to watch back and like we're ready for this to be this part of it to be over, you know? So we know the max thing is, Real. I never doubted that for one second. I even, I kind of shipped. And I think I even posted a story and I was like, I ship. I don't remember the responses that I got, but I wrote that. And then there was that whole thing. I'll tell you what my thing was with it. When Danica told you that he was seen at some restaurant with this girl and you got mad right away. And then, and you kind of ended it with him and you said at the end like, that's all she wrote. And it was like really dramatic. I mean, like, it was dramatic as fuck, but it was, I was fucking furious.

Like, you have to understand. Like, I, what was like so upsetting to me about that is everyone's like, well, they told you. Yeah, they did. But they were also girls who were not being nice to me at the time who were salty and trying to get themselves involved. They weren't telling me because they were worried about me. They were trying to fuck with my shit. But also, Max didn't lie about all that stuff. Like, he and I had had many conversations off camera where he admitted to all of that, where we talked about it, where he,

you know, when he, he will be the first person to say something unflattering about himself or something that doesn't paint him in a positive light. But what, honestly, what we had was real and it, but he is who he is. And he, for him to, and like, he will still deny this to this day. And we've, like, gotten in so many fights, like, post-filming also. Like, I work at Tom Tom Tom also now. I'm a bartender there and I serve it, sir. So, like, it's been a really interesting experience having to work with him and have been

very messy at times. you know he's like she was just someone who was in my past who was like trying to come back in but like of course they had sex that night of course like they what what they didn't show on the show was like they were seen out and he admitted to me in my apartment did I he he said that they were like out with a group of friends and I was like did you hang out alone with her and he was like yeah and I said did you go did she go back to your apartment and he was like yeah it would have been like the day before we were exclusive or whatever and I was just like are you fucking kidding me and I was like, do you guys have sex? And he denied it. And, like, obviously they had sex.

Like, I'm not stupid. And it was just more so about the fact that, like, you put me in this position where I've had to take so much shit from so many women in this group. And I've defended you and it had your back. And I've given you a chance knowing that you've done some really shitty things in your past. And you made a complete ass with me. Like, and I knew that what everyone was going to say, like, they told you so and whatever. And people were going to relish in that. But like, you can't always plan how your heart feels and whatever. But then what happened was that's what I'm saying I was like oh go girl like girl power you told him off right away you were like buy whatever and then a day later something about I'm gonna say the place wrong

it was like he was seen at La Jolie and you thought La Jolie was like a really fancy restaurant but then you found out that it was actually like a you know a shitty pizzeria and all of a sudden he were like oh shit maybe he was telling the truth and then you kind of went and like apologize him and I was like wait what's happening and then he was like well I don't know if I can like accept your apology because I'm so hurt and I was like that's such a fuck boy move to like flip the switch right now and you were like do you still have feelings for me and he was like well I don't know anymore now that you've like you know offended me and I was like what the fuck so how did that happen that you all of a sudden let's be very clear in that conversation he absolutely said yes he was like yes

of course but that just obviously is not what was shown so yeah okay it was I mean and and and looking back on that I don't even recognize myself in that scene where I'm like apologizing to him and like I think it's somewhere between his truth the truth of what people are telling me in the middle like I definitely he did do wrong by me 100% but I also don't think it was exactly what everyone else had made it out to be because basically um I had also heard that that girl was at some birthday party and like a friend of a friend had mentioned me and that me and him were dating and she like left crying and was like he told me we were dating and I just moved here for him from San Diego and blah, blah, so like it was, whatever it was, it was definitely some

fuckery, but I just think I was really quick to jump the gun. And I do, and that's how I am. And ultimately, was it the right thing that he and I weren't going to work out? Yeah, of course. But, like, I don't know. I just felt like I was quick to jump down his throat and end things with him and put his necklace in shit. And I didn't really give it a chance to, like, have a conversation about it. And now it probably would have ended up the same way. But I just feel like, when I'm wrong, I'll always say, like, I feel like I was wrong. I'll fall on my sword. And by that time, it was for him and for reasons that have come out since then, um, not exactly like it was, it just wasn't, it wasn't, we weren't going to end up back together at that time.

Um, but yeah, it was, it was a weird thing. It was like a total emotional response and then me circling back on it with my tail between my legs. And in hindsight, would I have done that? No, I would have just kept it. We're done. But I'm not a. perfect person I've never claimed to be and I'm a strong woman but I'm still a person with feelings like that's how I felt through the time and you were maybe hoping like that that yeah that he was maybe telling the truth and I mean because you were very like when you ended in that's why I told you I posted that thing I was like girl power it was like literally like this happened like he tried to deny it you were like bye we're done like you were so quick it was so like in your face

strong like I'm not taking any bullshit and like you know we've seen most of the guys the OG guys have fucked up on the show you know what I mean like that's what we're used to on the show like these guys fucking up and getting forgiven like a lot of times and so that was like such a different thing to happen on Vanderpump where it's like you know you heard this thing and you're believing it and you're ending it with him so yeah seeing that I mean obviously it can be understandable I was just wondering like where it came from like but but I can I just I mean and even the A strong thing. Also, I laughed so hard at the, like, cartoon of Danica, like, explaining what she was explaining about, like, their, like, fucking timeline. I thought that was so funny. But it's, but like it, yeah, like, right now I wouldn't have had the same response. And it's, I'm not really one for sitting around, you know, loitering, like, worrying about something I had done in the past. Like, it happened. I would do it differently if I had that exact situation happened right now. I definitely learned a lot from that situation. And also being on a show, this is the first time my life where I've had to watch. things back and had a pretty objective view of what happened. And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? Just like everyone else in the country who watched the show who was like, yeah, girl power. And then like, you're a fucking idiot. Like I did the same thing. So like, yeah, I mean, it was a learning moment for me, you know? I can't explain it other than I really cared for Max. Like it was very real for me. No, it definitely did look real. And I wanted to ask about Brett,

just because that to me seemed just a little bit like not, not that I would think you were doing anything but actually we have a mutual friend Diana and she was like telling me how Brett is so your type and that you love pretty boys. But to me it felt like it didn't work out with Max and now it's like all of a sudden you're on a date with Brett. It seems sort of like kind of a weird shift in a storyline that came kind of I feel like Brett has tried to make something happen. I mean he went out with like Charlie out of nowhere. It didn't seem like they even had a vibe or any chemistry and all of a sudden they like went out obviously that didn't work out for either of them um so i was wondering how the brett thing like transpired and if it was like

i guess authentic like did you guys really have a thing and yeah absolutely and it's funny like i don't know why everyone thinks it's so weird like we're young people who are dating it's called dating like i don't know how to say it like max had already moved on he was already fucking people in Vegas and fucking this girl and fucking that girl. And I'm popular to contrary belief. I don't just sleep around. But it's not that I wasn't wanting to date. And Brett asked me out. And I didn't even think of it as a date at first. And I don't think he did either. But it just like developed. And then it was like, well, let's just see what happens. And then it kept developing, kept developing. And even after filming, like, it was very much a real thing. And I think Brett is a lovely, wonderful person.

And I would not say that my type is a pretty boy. I don't think I have a type. I think I'm all over the board with who I would be attracted to and what speaks to me. But yeah, it was, it was real. It's just like, don't people date. I don't know why that was so fucking wild for everyone. Like, I'm single. Like, someone asked me out, I'm going to go out on a date. I'll tell you why.

Not because of you. Not because of you. I'll tell you why. I think this season at times feels different in the way that scenes seem a little bit more manufactured. And I think because we're going into it with a notion that, oh, this might be set up or this might be this, that the Brett,

and you think since there was no real, like, if we had seen some flirting for like, you know, one episode, but it felt kind of like that ended, okay, let's try to make these two new people work. But of course it makes sense that people are dating and hooking up and, you know, we know. No, I think Brett,

I think Brett saw an opportunity. I think that he was friends with Max, but he and he saw how Max talked about me badly. And again, Max will be like, I was, you know, he is someone I confided in about me. And he even told me that like offline when he was really upset about things. But it was just like, yeah, but also we just, you made it very clear that it wasn't going to be a thing again. And what was I supposed to do? Sit on my ass for you, while you were fucking every woman in West Hollywood and some in Vegas. Like, no, it's if someone asked

me out, they do. And Brett, I don't know, he just did. Like, and I, and I feel like Brett also told me in hindsight he felt like he couldn't really get to know me at sir because he is you know my friend is dating someone like i they're not going to be in my life in any way and was more worried about stepping on max's toes but then when max made it clear that it didn't get anything to him that brett was like okay great wait chena hooked up with max it bought in the watch but she never hooked up with bret she just wanted to hook up oh no she did and then he said she was a bad kisser right no they literally kissed one time for two seconds the first night they met like it wasn't you would have called it a hookup, I wouldn't call it a hookup.

Like, hookup is like, is there any, are we even at second base? Like, it just, it was a kiss. I don't know. Everyone kisses. So then she called, he called her a bad kisser. That was mean. What's also not true. Sheena's a great kisser.

I know that from personal experience. No, I know. A lot of people said that. I think on the show then there was like a thing and, and people were like, no, what I think he meant and he got a lot of heat for that. But what do you mean is like, they just didn't have that chemistry. So it wasn't what he was into. And that's like, fine.

If someone, if someone calling a bad kisser, I would be like, that's fine. You're wrong. Like, I know I'm a great kisser and maybe we just didn't have that chemistry. But Sheena was like very hurt by that. And I even was like so, and she's like, you can call this person and this person, this person. They all say I'm a great kisser. I'm like, you know, I'm, I've made out with you several times. I know you're a great sister. It's not a big deal. Like it just wasn't there for the two of you know. Yeah. But I mean, she is dating someone now. So happy for her that she doesn't need to, you know, but but it was weird because you went on a date. It wasn't like that big of a deal. But then there was a. again kind of the drama about it and Danica caring again about who you're dating. How do you feel about that? Like I've seen some wild people are like, is Danica in love with Dana? Which like, that's not my theory. But it's kind of like, is it just the chatter? Or like, does she actually care?

Like, is it, I was like, does Danica not think anyone's good enough for Dana? Like, where is this coming from? Because you girls didn't even vibe at the beginning. So like, if she was obsessed with you from the beginning and like, loved you and was like, I care about you, but it was like, she didn't, you weren't vibing and she was giving you all this, like, dating advice and telling you who you shouldn't date. It just felt weird. Well, and that was around the time that her and I were really taking a turn and, like,

more starting to become real friends. And she, I mean, Danica would tell you that right now. Like, she cringe watching that back. She was like, why was I doing that? Like, why was I saying that? Like, I don't know. Like, she, she, I mean, she was trying to look out for me, but like, Brett was not the one to be worrying about. Like, Brett is a really good guy and he is really down to earth and he is not

a fuck boy. Like I would not put him in that category in any capacity. And yeah, he doesn't sleep around. He's not like, he's just not like that. And he, you know, he was had some serious hangups from a last relationship that he was working through. But Danica was just like so quick to be like, well, he's good friends with Max now. So he must be a bad guy. And I just, I don't think she still stands by that. Like her and bright are really good friends. She knows what a good friend. person he is. And I saw on something interesting on Instagram that she

someone wrote maybe or on Twitter like why aren't they showing Danica's relationship with her Brett, like her ex that they seem to have like tumultuous shit and like really interesting drama and maybe compared it to like but they're showing

Dana and Max or or Brett and then you commented something funny. You were like I know that's a jab at me but like I agree. Yeah, because like, the thing is I, and I wasn't like, I hope people didn't take it because they were like saying, basically saying me and Brett and Max are fake. I wasn't saying that at all. Like, that shit was real. You can't fucking make it up. People can think whatever they want. But like that, that all this stuff and also what's, I know what's coming in future episodes, like I'm cringing to

see. It like was a really hard time for me and super painful. And like there was a time when I didn't think at Max and I would even ever be able to be in the same room together again. And that's, I mean, God, it's like fucking different every day when we're working at Tom Tom. But it's definitely been in a better place and you know everything's copacetic but my point was more about when you're talking about like first season banner pump rules psycho shit happening that was organic and had been going on before the cameras were there like brett and max or excuse me brett willis who is danica's boyfriend not boyfriend who fuck he knows right now um they both worked at sir i think i think they've both been there for like

two years they've been dating for about a year and they did have some crazy shit go down between the two of them and some of it wasn't at the restaurant and some of it wasn't. And I was pretty surprised that none of that was shown at all. Yeah, that is kind of surprising because I think the first episode is she's being not fired, like suspended because she

like threw something at him during a shift or something and we're like, wait, why isn't that shown? Right. I can speak to that but yeah, they have a really interesting dynamic that I think a lot of people would have liked to have followed. I also, I mean, I

I think that people would really want me to address this. The fat pussy. Oh, no. Oh, no, Dana. Did you get a lot of DMs about it or like were people like, because some, first of all, is it a thing or is it your thing? No, it is absolutely a thing, but I had the definition wrong. Like, I'll follow my sword to that. Let me say right now, I absolutely meant it as a compliment.

I absolutely meant Lisa has a fantastic body. Oh, my God. Oh, you said it. about Lisa. I forgot it was about Lisa. I am fucking 29. They clearly shouldn't be trying to say what the kids say. I took it out of context. I literally read Kylie Jenner said that about Stasi, like her best friend. And I literally read it out of, I used context clues from third grade. It was like, oh, that means nice body. And it like somehow that I bought in my vernacular. And like that was when did Kylie say that about Stasi baby? It was on story. It was over the summer. No, she like clapped back at a troll. like saying something about you know fat pussy her leave her fat pussy out of this or something and oh oh oh oh that's what i took it that's what i took it to mean and also like ph fat that was definitely thing in the 90s were like right like no we know that pH in the 90s was definitely like not fat as in a weight it was fat as in like like a good thing like cool or dope or whatever but so

mind you what they didn't show is before that we sat down we had been drinking like for a long time I was fucking blacked out in that scene. Like, people who were, I'm a pretty composed drunk. And if you can tell it all, it means I'm like past the point of no return. And when I'm sitting there, shoveling not just my mouth and then just say that, I literally cringe like you could not even fucking imagine. Like, I thought, I thought it was going to get a lot more flack than I did. Like, people definitely had their opinions about it.

And I got some DMs, but it was, the whole scene was really cringy and weird. So I feel like there was just a lot going on. But it was, I was really embarrassed for Lisa that I had said anything that, like, I know what my intentions were. I meant it in a positive way, but I didn't, it's not appropriate to talk about your boss's body, even if you're saying like they have a dope body. Right. And it was, it was just such a fucking stupid thing I said. Like I, I, no, it's not that stupid. It was just when you were trying to explain it, it was like about her body. And then it's like, like, I could, I mean, again, you're saying, and you're right, from the 90s fat was a good thing. And it was just, in my, in my interview, they basically were like,

what does that mean to you to explain like what, what, what, where you what was your mindset at the time and it what that's what I thought it meant like it was fucking stupid I'm wrong no fat pussy is definitely referring to like a good vagina but I I didn't know that at the time I didn't like again just in terms of this is my first experience of reality TV like that wasn't a good look I was more that was the thing actually like literally over the last few months I knew they were going to use it like from the second I woke up the next morning and I just had that like you know when you drink too much and you just have that like overwhelming anxiety you know you fucked up like literally i've been losing sleep over that and i'm glad it's fucking out there

and over with now at this point but it was such a stupid thing to say i totally get why people were turned off by it i it was a learning lesson for me like i will never say anything like that again like i just can't do you think it's a big deal because you said it about lisa or it's a big deal that you said it a combination of the two obviously i'm horrified that it's about but it was also like why why are you saying that and then my definition i did look i sounded stupid like Because it's like, that's not what it means, but that's what I thought it meant at the time. So it was just like such a fucking gaff and like, God, I'm so dumb. That's so funny.

It was, it was more to find. I mean, Lisa is kind of, I feel like more in this season and like doing silly things and pranks. Well, Lisa's also a sassafras and she has a great sense of humor and I'm fortunate for that. Because she was just like, well, what a darling and blah, blah, blah. And I'm sure I'm going to continue to get shit about it for time to come. but she took it as like, I know you meant it as a compliment. So, like, she came up to me at TomTom probably like three months ago and we were really busy and she like waved me down.

I was like, that's weird because like, if we're really busy, she'll, you know, won't like stop and talk. Right. And they came into it and she was like, darling, that pussy, are you kidding me? And I was, and so she had just seen it. And I was like, Lisa, God, I'm sorry. Like, that's not what it meant, blah, blah. Oh, my God.

And her coming to your birthday party, I mean, that's a big deal. I was kind of shook. Oh, I was too, and I was also teetering on the edge of being fucked up and, like, trying to be normal around her. But I was like, I was shocked. I couldn't believe it. I was like, what is she? This bar is so trashy.

Like, this is not a place for Lisa Vanderpomps. Like, she doesn't belong here. Oh, my God. What did you think about Max? Because, like, you were saying before, Max took up with girls in L.A., and then he said, and Vegas, and Vegas. And now I'm remembering that they showed that he slept with baby Sheena in Vegas. It was, well, what just frustrated me is like, I wasn't sleeping around. Brett and I weren't sleeping together at that time. Like, it was literally, we had like kissed a few times and he was so mad about it and it like developed in him. But he's like sleeping with people and it's on the show and he's being open about it. And I was just like, that's cool. You can do whatever you want. But it's just how can you be mad at me for kissing someone? I just don't understand what the issue is. And that's another thing that that I want to clarify to people that I 100%

believe the max boned baby sheena like when i in no he did yeah no because i i thought it was like funny and weird and and that part to me seems the manufactured part is at least a van derpum fucking face times max in the morning and seize the finger whatever that part is like okay but like to people who don't get sometimes what i'm saying a hundred percent i believe max bone that girl and Dana saying yes and I heard from another cast member that it's absolutely yes the parts that I think throw us off maybe this season

even though I think Lisa used to do that with the OGs as well like all of a sudden FaceTime and call and whatever but I think we need to have a little bit more like to see Lisa and Max's relationship because having her like FaceTime him in the morning and then see the girl just doesn't seem as natural yet because he's a new cast member

Do you get what I'm saying? It just seems like with Lisa really like FaceTime acts in the morning? See, to me, like I felt like yes. Like, I felt like that wouldn't surprise me. Especially, obviously, I'm sure someone told her, like, I feel like he has someone in his room or something's going or they or one of the other customers told they're like, hey, they went home together last night or, you know, whatever. But they also do FaceTime and like talk and he is a manager of one of her businesses.

So to me, it's not that crazy, but I get what you're saying. Yeah. So to me it also seemed like. Like, baby Sheena is really, like, in this episode. Like, I don't know if there's a Vanderpump gardens coming up or, like, a crossover under, I don't know. But there was a lot, a lot of Vegas in that episode. Were you upset that you couldn't be there?

I mean, I would always have liked to have gone to Vegas, but I also got it. Like, I wasn't, like, super close with Katie at that time. Like, we just didn't know each other. So, no, I wasn't upset in the way that I'm sure Kristen was upset and, like, the way that she was feeling about it. But no. definitely not. What do you think about that drama, the Katie Stasi Kristen drama? I mean, I think

they have a lot of history together that I was never a part of and wasn't there for so it's hard for me to really speak to it other than I just see both sides and I just feel like it sucks when a friendship's not working out for whatever reason for whoever's at fault and it's just hard to see. Yeah, I agree. I go back and forth and sometimes I say like, okay, I completely understand why Katie and Stasi feel the need to move forward from her, but then I also do believe that Kristen is also a good person, has a good heart, and has been a good friend. And when she cries and says those dramatic lines of like, I would die for you. I'm like, oh my God, that's so sad that they don't care about that. But I think it's important. And I think I had a really in-depth conversation about

as if it was like a really important part of the world right now. Like friendships and sometimes and your friends for a long time, and then you're not anymore. Like, it's happened to me personally. Oh, I think I know. I think that when Kristen, you know, does her confessionals and she's like, you know, I would die for Katie and take a bullet and these are my sisters and my sisters. And I had this story where I was recapping the show and I was like, but you're not anymore. But you're not anymore.

Like I just kept saying it like a crazy person and people thought it was funny, but I really couldn't stop saying it because I wanted. to like be in front of her and say, but you're not anymore. You know what I mean? Like that's how I kind of feel about it. Like I'm not about who is right and who's wrong, but it's obviously not there what used to be. And like you have to accept and kind of move on. Well, and I feel like, and I feel like I actually even told you this. Like I'm, I'm really protective of my energy and my space and like who's around me, who I have in my life, what I give time to. And it's really been the key for me over the past years of finding happiness and wholeness and cutting down a lot of anxiety in my life.

And that includes cutting out some friends that I had long term that weren't good for me anymore and vice versa. And like my dad's not my life. My dad's not my life because I'm choosing not to have in my life. And it's not something that's not painful for me. And he's my dad and I love him because he's my dad. It's always going to be something that sucks. But like it just at some point when something is toxic, it doesn't matter someone's role who they were to you. Like if it's not good for you anymore, it's not good for you anymore. And and especially like with my my dad. Like I had, there was just so many times of trying to make it work and just ending up in the same result and finally being like, okay, I really need a step away from this for my own

mental health. And I feel like that happens with people in your life. And it's, it's not necessarily a bad thing to give space for what you had and recognize it and just take a step away, you know? Yeah. And that's, I did want to, since, you know, we're too real ass the bitch. I do, uh, I said I would address it and that it didn't come up. Um, I, Oh, let's get into it, girl. I can get into it. We're really busy today because of the quarantine, but we'll take a few more minutes to address it.

I asked Dana to be on the show, and I really appreciated and want to share that her response was that she was surprised that I'm asking her on the show because she thought that I didn't have positive feelings towards her because of stories that I've posted. And I really tried to go and look back and remember and even ask people that I know that follow me would remember like oh my god what did i say because i know and i'll even tell you i got shit from

other vanderpump podcasts uh i'm not a vanderpum podcast but but but from like bravo like holic podcasts where like they think that i'm like too like not critical enough and like that i'm kind of like uh how do they say blowing gas up there at what's the saying blowing smoke yeah um so it's it's weird that people have like different Because I, you know, even when James Kennedy was on and he was getting such backlash, I never, like, dislike James Kennedy. You know what I mean? Like, even Jacks.

I was like, he's an asshole, but like he's Jacks. So I really don't have negative feelings towards, I don't think anyone on the show. And that's why I immediately also told you that I apologize. If anything came out, bitchy, I can be bitchy. And could be that at the beginning I was like, ugh, like new people and new vibes. Stop trying to make, like, this person happen about you. and I'm sorry and I realized from the beginning even that's what I said like my things were so mixed like I was like oh she's awesome and there was this episode where you guys were like outside and I was like she's so pretty and but I totally get you and I told you this before we started recording because I'm like that too like if you say one thing about me I'm like bye but I'm really glad that we could that we could resolve no I am too but and also like I'm not a crazy person I also am well aware my personality is not for everyone and I'm putting myself out there to be criticized and I don't expect everyone

to like me but it's just a thing that like this isn't the first time this has happened by the way. I've had a couple other podcasts that I have not even responded to and the reason I think I responded to you is because we have DNA in common and she was saying she was like okay but if she said that it wasn't how she meant it and like you would like her so like you guys should talk and blah blah but I've had a couple where they said some really nasty things about me like on the podcast like I heard a couple minutes because someone told me to listen to it and I was like, fuck you, that's fine. Have your opinion, but I don't have to like it.

And then they would reach out and be like, hey, we're big fans. Will you come on the show? And I literally ignored it. I was like, yeah, go fuck yourself, not going to happen. So, like, it's, it's, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it's just more so, like, it was only like a week ago that I saw one thing. And you didn't even say anything that crazy, but it definitely made it seem like you weren't digging me and thought I was being forced on the show and forced down people's

throat. So then I was just really surprised when you reach out to me. I like, my mouth dropped. I was like, oh, that's weird. and then didn't really want to just be like, okay, yeah, let's talk. Like, that's not who I am. So I was just like, hey, this just seems weird to me. So I wanted to see what's up before I do it.

And I appreciate that. I think that speaks a lot to who you are. I mean, we talked about this before. Like, you being new to this has so many things. Like it has, you know, people talking about you and having it probably suck when it's negative things and having to tough it out. What do you feel about like the response that you're getting is it, it feels to me like it is mostly positive. What does it feel like to you? Oh, I mean, I think it's,

I think it's overwhelmingly positive. I feel pretty fortunate. And for the most part, I think people have been really kind to me and really receptive and see me as who I really am. But then there's, even if you were, you know, the best person on the planet, like I always say, you can be the ripest, juiciest peach on the tree, but there's still going to be someone who hates peaches. So people, you know, and there are people out there who are just unkind to be unkind. and want to make other people feel as shitty as they feel. And that's, again, I try not to give that much energy. I just, like, block people and just like, you know, whatever.

And say whatever you want about me, but it's, you know, like, what it really gets to me, it's like people have made really, really disrespectful, gross comments about my mom and things like that. And like that, I cannot fucking take. Like, I can't tolerate that. So that shit gets to me. But it's like, for the most part, people are just going to have their opinions and I let them have their opinions.

Like, and that's also why, like, I don't know if reality TV is the right space. for me because I'm not like an irrational person that will just have a hairpin trigger. Like, it's, if someone doesn't like me or thinks I'm shitty, then that's fine. That's like how you feel. I don't really give a shit about that. I know who I am. The people I love know who I am. It's just not really.

So that's why you're perfect for it, Dana. That's actually why, like, you'd be perfect for reality TV. If you can, you know, keep on being who you are and not give a shit if people like it or not, then you're good to go. I mean, I'm in it at this point. I hope so. will remain to be seen but yeah it's definitely been an experience thank you guys for listening happy quarantine to everyone let's stick the shit out and make sure that we're doing our part

and keeping ourselves our loved one and everyone healthy hashtag blessed hashtag i love you please rate and review the podcast if you don't i will know and i will be really angry with you thanks to the podglomerate for editing and producing my show love you guys see you next Tuesday The Podglomer A Sonic Universe