Not Skinny But Not Fat - Dove Cameron Isn't Goth, She Just Grew Up

Episode Date: March 3, 2026

Dove Cameron is here and clears up the biggest rumors about the Liv & Maddie Disney years, growing up in the public eye, and why people think she’s “sad Dove”. We chat about making it in Hollywood, filming her first intimate scenes in 56 Days, her engagement to Damiano David, and what she’s manifesting next.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/NOTSKINNYBuy any 2 cans of Olipop in store and we'll pay you back for one at drinkolipop.com/NOTSKINNYGo to ollie.com/notskinnny and use code notskinny to get 60% off your first boxText NOTSKINNY to 64000 to get 20% off all IQBAR products, plus FREE shipping. Message and data rates may apply. Go to littlespoon.com/NOTSKINNY30 and enter code NOTSKINNY30 for 30% off your first orderVisit unrealsnacks.com/NOTSKINNY to get $2 off a bag of Unreal. Terms and conditions apply.Use code NOTSKINNY for 20% off your first order at bloomnu.comRight now, Merit Beauty is offering our listeners their Signature Makeup Bag with your first order at meritbeauty.comProduced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey yo, welcome back to not skinny but not fat. I'm your host, Amanda. Amanda is rageful.

Like I am. Like, I'm almost scared that, like, the premenstrual rage will stick this time and I'll never crawl out of it. And that terrifies me. Because if it's a few days and that's one thing, but imagine just being stuck like that. Like, all of a sudden I got, I added that layer of anxiety to myself because I think, like, sometimes it's just worse, obviously. Like, I don't get this every month. My God, Demi Moore is so skinny. I know we're not supposed to comment on women's bodies.

but like I appreciate when people are saying in general, like I did just say Demi Moore, but because I was like, oh my God, like skeletal, I will say I appreciate people talking about it and just saying in general, we're having a thin Hollywood problem right now. Everyone is real fucking thin. And I know and I appreciate and I stand behind

that you never know what somebody's going through and blah, blah, blah. But this isn't a one case, This is an epidemic in Hollywood. And we know where it's from. Like we know it's like they're weight loss drugs now. You can get beyond freaking skinny, many, many, many, many. Everyone's bones. Like everyone, and people that were thin before are bones,

our bones, our bones, our bones, our bones. And it's just like, I'm not against the drugs. I'm not against like losing weight, obviously. But I'm against like it being on the verge of unhealthy. and it really like promoting like just skeletal skinniness to the world. Like I'm I'm like let's look at like Olympians and you know if we want to strive for any kind of bottle. Let's strive for like an Olympic athletic, a strong fucking body and not somebody that looks

like they're going to break. Anyway, back to my rage. See, that could make me fucking rageful. Like literally yesterday, guys, I was raging so hard that. that husband and I were going to pick up Noah and I really wanted to have time for a coffee before we got him and all of a sudden there was traffic and I was like, I was like seating.

And then the ambulance came and, you know how you have to like move your car over and make sure they get through? And my husband was like, sorry, like this is more important. Like she needs her coffee. Like he was so scared of me. Like he was just like, okay, because I would blame him and be like,

you were turning behind, fucking ambulance. Noah literally came up to me. yesterday morning, you guys. And don't, like, be sad about it. Like, I... Doesn't, like, pull my heartstrings. It's funny to me. But he literally was just like,

Mom, are you mad at Abba? Are you mad at me? And I was like, no, I'm just mad. Like, and I feel like Noah is so emotionally intelligent and observant because... Not that it's hard to miss, my rage.

But because I've always talked to him, like, not an adult, right? I'm not like, you know, but I, but I, but I, you know, like, let's say if I was Christian, I'd tell him Santa isn't real. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just, that's my vibe of just like, yeah, I'm really just mad right now. Like, that's the truth.

And I'm not going to be like, it's nothing you did her about it. You know, like I'm just going to be like, I'm just mad. Just mad. Anyway. So Dove Cameron is here today. You probably all know her. We grew up with her. She was on Disney.

the descendants. Now she's in, she has music out. She's an actress. And we just saw her kind of grow up in front of our eyes. We talk about turning 30, growing up in the public eye,

going from Disney to serious actress, just her identity with all of that, you know, and hair color. You know, I need to get into the hair. She's really deep. She's really thoughtful. I'm telling you, These actors are so smart.

It's like, should we all be growing up on said? Because I feel like they just get so worldly and so, you know, their vocabulary is always banging. Like, she's just deep. She's funny. And she's not what you would expect, I feel like. So enjoy this one. Here's Dev Cameron.

I read it out where I watch. I made it to the next thing, babe. I'm at a podcast now. And I will be here for an hour long. So don't get worried about me if I disappear. I love. you so, so, so, so much. I'm thinking about you all the time and I'm strapping in and I'm literally on the couch and we're about to start filming. I love you so much. M-Wa. Okay, Dev. All right. Hi.

Hey, dude. How are you? I'm so good. Guys, we're making a podcast. We're making a podcast. Come on, you guys. First of all, you're like a podcast pro by now, I feel like. It is kind of crazy. Right? How many podcasts I've done, yeah. Well, I love that you're a fan of the medium. Yeah, I am because I like talking to people. Mm-hmm. I feel like it's so much better than like short-form interviews. I like panic.

You do? You get nervous still? No, I don't get nervous. I never get nervous for like this kind of stuff anymore, but I do struggle to say everything I want to say concisely. Oh, okay.

So you're saying you're better long form than when you're like a 10-minute, tell us like the funniest story. Oh my God, my nightmare. Whenever they're like, tell us a funny thing that happened on set. I'm like, wait, can I just tell you something?

Yeah. My best friend and I, literally the other. other night. I don't know. You know when you talk to your best friend for hours and you get to the weirdest like things. And we just discovered that we both have this trait that is can't, and we described it as we can't think of specific examples. I can never think of a specific example of anything. So that's why I told him. I was like, that's why I don't ask my, my guest specific things. Because I, if someone was like, tell me, even if someone's like who do you want most on your product,

like, I can't. I'm like, oh, that's a specific example. I lose it. They just asked me. I was somewhere else and they were like, who are you listening to right now? Couldn't conjure it up. Who's your, like, dream co-star and a TV show? Like, I'm, and it's stupid because I should have these things ready because these are like common questions. We have the same disease syndrome. I don't know. We'll think about it later. My brain goes blank white. I see reporters ask celebrities the wildest questions and I always cringe that are, is like wilder than what they asked you. Like I saw like, what Taylor Swift song from her new album would be the soundtrack to the movie or like, what? And And it's like, that's the most specific thing.

Well, and then I get really scared because I'm, like, truly not always plugged into or caught up with everything that's going on in the zeitgeist of pop culture. Yeah. So someone will ask me something like that. And I'm like, it's going to sound like I don't care about these things. Right. And it's like, I do. I'm just like, I'm slow.

I'm late to the party. Like, I just recently finished all of Stranger Things. Okay. That's not that late. Didn't season five just come out? Yeah, but season one was what? Like, fucking, it's like 10 years ago. your show. Do you have, are you on, well, we were just talking about Tell Me Lies. Did you watch Tell Me Lies?

I haven't yet. No, I, it takes me a while to get into like a new, new show. Like I just recently doubled back and watched Maniac with Emma Stone. It was like this crazy, I think it's on Apple. Movie? Show. Maybe. Yes. Yeah. Okay. With like Jonah Hill and Emma Stone where they get put into this, like, drug trial and then they realize their soulmates and all these different idioms of their, or iterations of their life. So beautifully shot. So impeccable. So how do you decide, like, what to put on? Are you just scrolling on streamers? Yeah, or, like, I keep a running list of, like, these are my favorites because I'll forget my fucking favorites. Like, something I've seen a thousand times, I'll not remember. And then I'll be like, oh, yeah, I love Down with Love with Ewan McGregor.

Right. But then I'll keep a list of things like, I want to get to see this, but I need to be in the right headspace for it. Like, I really want to watch Hamnet, but I'm like not ready to be ripped apart. Do you know what I mean? Yes, I do need to watch that as well. Yeah. Did you watch any of the Oscar, like the Word Show movies? I just watched Begonia. I did too. Honestly. What?

I don't know what anyone's saying about it. Okay. That was one of my favorite movies. Why? Because it's so, you don't agree? Well, I don't know. I watched on a plane, I freaked out. I was like, where we go?

It was, the ending was wild. Well, the ending was wild. It was wild. We kept making my fiance and I kept making jokes all the way through. We're like, watch her. I don't give anything away. We're like, watch it be that. Like, watch the line.

be the thing that's true. And we were fucking dying. No, the calculator part was insane. Phenomenal. She's so funny, too. You love her. I mean, you've been watching all her stuff. That's true.

Yeah. I do love Emma Stone. I do love Emma Stone. So Begonia was your... It's my shit. I love that director. I love everything he does. I love their partnership.

I love anything that is like totally out of the box, high concept. Because I struggle to find things that make me, feel, like that I feel connected to because there are so many stories that are like dramas that are near, near like parallel paths to my life where it's like, oh yeah, I have been through that. I know what that relationship's like. I have seen this version of the show a thousand times. So like I end up watching things that are like Marvel movies. Uh-huh. High, sci-fi, high concept musicals, like big dramatic sweeping. That's so interesting.

Yeah. So like the stuff that's more like real life kind of relationship. Like you're just like, oh, been there, done. Like it doesn't inspire you as much. I've unpacked it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So I really love like my favorite movie of all time is Pan's Labyrinth. Oh my God. Really? So beautiful. It's an early Guillermo del Toro film. I know I butchered that. I always got to like Guillermo. No, Guillermo del Toro.

He just met with somebody. That was a big deal. Who did he meet with? I don't know what I love him. He met with Conor's Story from Heated Rivalry. Did you watch that? No, I haven't. See, that's the other thing.

I know I'm going to love Theid Rivalryl. And sorry I'm putting you on the pop culture Zitekeyes thing that you know. No, this is relevant because it's a show that is right up my alley and everybody and their mother has been telling me that it's going to be like my thing. Oh, yeah. But I just haven't had the time to sit down and watch it. We've been doing a crazy press tour. So it's like one of those things that it's like, okay, when this is over and I have a moment to breathe. You can binge your shows.

I like to binge everything at once. Yeah. By the way, your new show, 56 days, by the, I didn't finish it. And I'm dying because I'm up to episode six, I think. Oh, shit. So I'm, I'm there. I'm almost there.

And I'm literally like, I didn't have time to finish it last night. And I was like, I need to know. I need to know what happens. Like, I still don't know at this point. Who's doing what? Who's doing what? Yeah.

If it's a male or a fee, how much can we say? Can you, how much can you say about the show and tell people about it? Well, I don't know. I mean, the show's out tomorrow. Right. It'll be out. It'll be out by the time this is out.

I guess, like, if you don't want to hear spoilers skip this part, like, can people still say that? I mean, there could be a synopsis. All right. Well, I can give you a synopsis, but if you want me to talk about that, then we got to be like. Okay, no, we're not talking about that. Okay, we're not talking about that. Okay. Well, okay, so you know this already, but basically 56 Days is an adaptation from a novel of the same name.

It's a, I guess I would call it a psychosexual thriller. Psychosexual. I think that's what they're calling it. Yeah, I guess I would call it an erotic thriller. but it's it centers around this relationship between these two characters Oliver and Sierra Oliver played by Avonjogia and they meet in a grocery store in the most like innocent sort of like oh no you go first you go first kind of way and then within they begin today they go to the movies it's all very cute they have like nice easy chemistry and within 56 days

one of them is dead in the bathtub of Oliver's apartment so then the whole thing is about finding who's dead, who did it, who done it. And then the crime is also being solved in a parallel timeline. Right. It jumps back. Yeah, it jumps back. And it's like today and then day one, day two, day three, day four. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How was filming that? I mean, it sounds like that's what you were looking for. You were saying before, like you're looking to do stuff that is stuff you haven't experienced. I'm assuming you haven't experienced. Have not been murdered and about them. Yeah, I. Oh, no.

Did you spoil? Oh, no, you didn't. Okay. No, I didn't. Don't worry. Don't worry. Even if I said it, it wouldn't make any sense to you at this point anyway. But I was really attracted to the show because Ciara's character was just really like, she was very layered.

I try to avoid the word complex when I'm talking about female characters because I feel like it's so dead done over with. It's like, it's kind of like the, I don't know, it's like the participation prize. Like it's like, oh, she's complex. It's like, you know, it feels diminishing. Yeah. But I think that particularly Sierra is so late. and she is so traumatized and she has such a rich lore and background and she gets to be morally gray and complicated and she gets to, you know, be immutable and changing around different people.

And I just thought that that was like a fun challenge and to make also someone like her more human and more relatable, I thought was a really fun challenge because I'm always really attracted to those characters that like at first glance you might be like, oh no, you know, because everyone in the show is kind of a good guy and a bad guy. So I'm really not giving anything away. But everybody in the show has done something morally gray that we might be like bad person. But the more you open them up and like unthread them,

you know, the goal is to hopefully convince the audience that they're worthy of empathy and they're human. So that was something really attractive to me. There was one scene where your character was, and this isn't giving anything away, but you were wiring money to the account. and it really like was striking to me that you cried. Like it was striking to me as dove.

You know what I mean? I was like, wow. Like, it's not like you were crying in this, you know, really sad or, you know, in other movies where there is crying. I was shocked at like, oh, my God. Yeah. Like she's the, like the minute the transfer is complete, you look at it. And we see your face throughout the whole process of doing this,

wire transfer. And the way like your eyes like just weld up, I was like, damn, she good. Thanks, dude. Yeah.

Was that, was that a scene where like it said, like cry? Or did it come up for you? Or what was going on? No, no, that's a good question. Actually, that also stands out to me as a moment on set

where like I, um, I think at that point we've been shooting for so long. And like, I know that there's a world in which that character is like, hmm, hmm, hmm, like did it, killed it, got what I wanted. But I think that what's so interesting about the character is that she really is so convinced that everything she's doing, she's on the right side of it, and she's the good guy.

And so I think, like, I wasn't planning on crying. I think it was just kind of like a natural impulse because she really, really cared to make that happen for her. And I don't want to give anything away. But like that was, that was like on a soul level important for her. She was convinced she was the. good guy in that scenario. And so I think that the crying happened organically because it was like this moment of like animal relief. And I think that that's kind of the fun thing about a character

like this is that like, you know, it's so inappropriate that she would be crying in that moment. And it's so almost like, I don't want to put any labels on her because I don't know and I can't diagnose a character. But it is so like sociopathic adjacent that you would be or like, you know, some kind of something where like you really believe like that something that anybody else would think is a terrible thing. Yeah. It's a good thing. There's something definitely morally left about her. And so to have that yet like innocent reaction I thought was.

No, that was so good. Fun. Yeah. Yeah. And another scene I really like enjoyed here was obviously the sex scenes. No, you and Avin. By the way, Avin. Like can we talk about him?

Like he also is a nickel. He's Nickelodeon. Yeah. Disney. Did you bond on that? Like, did you have, share similar experiences? You know, we weirdly know, I mean, not to be too, like, dismissive of that, because it's so a part of our lives for sure. But we didn't really, like, it was so long ago. Do you know, like, there's been so much life since we both stopped doing that. And I think both of us, I'm speaking on his behalf, but, like, we were both such little adults when we were filming those shows that it wasn't

like those were the before times and these are the now times and like how did we get here? It like was just one long kind of continuation. I think the thing that we have in common with our like teenhood acting is that it just like really made us professionals. Like it just really trained us well. So there's not a lot of things. I mean, at least for me, there's not a lot of things that can like throw me. Unset.

Or like long days. Yeah. Or like, okay, now we're doing this. Yeah. Because you know on Disney was like, now you're over here. You're writing. unicycle. Now you're speaking in French and now you're singing. It's just like always something to adapt to, you know? So, so it's really, I see that in him. Like, he's a consummate professional and he's,

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No, which we... Honestly, we should have. Honestly, that would have been the right thing to do, right? For a show like this, it's so hinges on chemistry. But I guess they just felt so confident in their choices that maybe they'd seen us have chemistry with other people in the past and they're like they're going to be able to bring it. Because chemistry is, I find this such an interesting thing to talk about. I keep talking about it because like it still kind of blows my mind. Chemistry is an

invisible, unpredictable, like chemical. It's not anything that you can cultivate. I don't think. Like maybe there are actors out there that have like tips and tricks. Like maybe they're doing stuff that I don't know about. But like there's that whole famous thing. of like if two people are actually dating or they have something, their chemistry is awful. Right. And then if people... They hate each other.

And then there are some people that if they hate each other, like I've worked with people that like I didn't hate. I've never hated anyone, honestly. No, I could never say that. I don't think I have. But I've worked with people that like we didn't have a good rapport. Like you just were different. And like always it was like, okay, like co-worker vibes, you know?

And we would have insane chemistry. Really? Like we'd get on camera and it would just be like... And platonically too. Like... Oh, you're not saying only making out. It could be just like... good.

Yeah, yeah. Or like people, like, you know, just anything. Like women, men, anyone, anyone. And so really it's like this thing that like everybody else can tell you you have chemistry. You don't really get to know. Like you just do the action and then you're like, okay, fingers crossed. Then what? That it looks good, that it comes across.

That we make you feel something. Yeah, that we make you believe. Because that's the whole goal at the end of the day is we want you to believe that it's happening and make you feel. You know? So that was something. that was a huge risk. I guess the only thing I can think of, like, because this was my first time

doing intimacy, anything. And I was... Really? It was your first time? Oh, my God, yeah. Like, okay, so you do, you show breasts. Yeah. And some ass, I think.

And some ass. There's some writing. And so you're saying you haven't done anything intimate on camera before? No. Truly. No, I've been in, like, bathing suits.

Okay. You know? Well, so this was a big... I mean, I have kissed people. Like, I, but I've not been... Yeah. Yeah. So how was that? Was that something that that was a big deal to you? Did you feel? It wasn't a big deal when I accepted the role. I was kind of like Billy Big Britches. Who am I? I'm from the 60s. I was Billy Big Britchie. But I was like, you know, I accepted the role and I was like, yeah. I was like, I'm ready. I feel adults enough to do this. I love the character. Like, I was scared of it as an idea, but I also, I've said this

a million things people are going to like meme it. But I always say that if you are afraid of something that's the very next thing that you should do, and it was something that I was like definitely apprehensive about. And then I was like, well, okay, if I want to, if I look back all the things that I was scared to do, but I had to, I grew so much from that, right? And I didn't have to take this role. But I wanted, I was interested in seeing like who I became on the other side of a challenge like that. Or how you felt actually doing it because you actually don't know until you do it. You totally don't know. Yeah. You totally don't know. Again, I elected. collectively took this role. And then when I got to set and it was time to do it, I was like,

all right, let's go. Woo! And then I got there. I was like, I like, I like clammed up and freaked out. And I was like, oh my God, this is so intense. It's really intense. And I really commend other actors and actresses who've done stuff like this because, because it is. It's just, it's an inherently weird thing. It's weird. Because you're also like, you know, it's mechanical. It's, it's not only are you nude and it's, that's a scary thing. For a million reasons. Move to the left, move to the left, and move to the right. No, no, they weren't doing that.

It's like some part of me kind of wishes that like someone would have been like, give us more of this. Because then sometimes I look back and I'm like, ooh, I hate that shot. Wait, you watch it. It's hard for you to watch. Yeah. Your body is bang and dove. Dude, that's so kind of you.

It really is, though. Thanks. Thanks. All of it. Thanks, dude. But I can understand that's just like. That's seeing it on a, on a big screen. Yeah.

Feels bizarreo. But you said, like, do what scares you? How does it feel to be like after it? I feel good. Yeah? Yeah, I actually feel more in my body. It was like it, it was like for me personally. Like, and this is, again, like, part of why I like this job and part of why I continue

to do it is because I consistently learn so much about myself, throwing myself into this, like, deep end kind of experience where it's like, well, I have to figure it out, like, right now. And then doing it again. and again, or sometimes not doing it. And then you're like, fuck, okay, like, got to learn a little bit more before I do that again. I really felt on the other side of it that I had, like, kind of broken down a sort of a shame about my body. I don't know if that really makes sense or translates to anyone else, but I feel like in Western culture, you know, we're so trained as women to hide our bodies for fear of what it's going to make someone else feel or for our own safety or for some we

purity complex that like I don't personally ascribe to, you know? And, and I had adopted so much of that just being in this sort of like nudity fearful culture. Whereas like in other cultures, it's, it's not a big deal. You go to, you're in Europe and you're on the beach and all the women are topless. Yeah. No one's looking at them. No one's like following them home. No one's taking pictures. Like, it's just normal. And I, I didn't realize how much of that I had internalized until I got to say. And I was like, oh, fuck. Like, I'm scared. And then when I did it on the other side, I just felt more, I felt like I owned myself more. It's so weird.

It's like, I'm not even trying to project a message here. Like, it was just my personal report. Everyone get naked. Yeah. And film yourself. No, I'm just kidding. No, that's not what I'm right. Everyone should do what they feel, right?

Yeah. That's really what I think. Like, if you want to be, you know, topless and free the nipple or wear as little or as much clothing or cover yourself, to whatever degree you want, everyone should be able to do that. I just think, like, the days of policing people's bodies should be so far. gone. It's fucking weird. It was weird. But I realized I had some of that left, is what I'm saying. And I felt like

this was a good exercise in letting it go. And I have to talk about your hair a little bit. I know that we, that you said somewhere that sometimes people take your hair changing as like something's going on with her, right? Yeah. Like, so the dark hair were committed. Yeah. We're not, we're not looking back. I mean, for now, like I, see, I have like a fever dream where I'm like a platinum platinum, like, see-through white blonde. Yeah. And then I have like a little cunty bang and like short hair. I'm like throw it up in a pony and it's like messy.

Oh, cute. As I see girls with that. It's kind of like Kristen Stewart. She did that for a minute. Oh, she did that. I feel like she did that. What is your natural hair color? In between.

It's like an Amanda Seifred blonde brown. Bronze. Did you ever just like let it let it go natch? Damn, not since I was a kid. Stop. No, because I just, like, there's nothing wrong with it. I actually think it's really pretty. And when it grows out, I'm always like, I should just let it grow.

But I just don't have to patience. And it's such an impossible color to color match. So, like, dyeing this bottom, it's always going to look green, you know? So, like, really what I need to do is, like, shave it and let it grow. But I like the brown for now because, honestly, the switch was entirely motivated by hair health. I was just like, I have got to stop bleaching it. Because the real issue was that when I was dark, brown before, I had this crazy, again, fever dream where I went to my hairstylist and I said,

I want to be cherry red. And so at the top of 2023, I think, I was cherry red, like Black Widow early days red. And to get rid of, right? Well, the problem was I was so dark and then we had to lift it and bleach it and then go red. And then I was like, this is too hard to maintain. We went back dark. And then I went blonde for a hair campaign and my hair was destroyed. Because under it was an another round of bleach. Yeah. So I was like... Well, it looks super healthy now.

Now it is. You went dark to get it like healthy. Yeah. And when I died at light for a while, it was like really working and it was light. But then it was just like, it was just too hard because I wanted to keep bleaching it. And the more that I did it, it was like cutting itself off. Like, do you, does it feel weird that people like associated with like Disney was like blonde like, you know, uh, you know, perky like preppy dove?

And then now it was like dark. like cat eye, like mysterious. Like is it, does it feel like two, two worlds? Yeah, but I think that's also just what happens when you come on to everyone's TV when you're like 16 and now you're 30. It's like, it's just, it's been a crazy long time that I've been in the public eye. For me, it's been half my life. Right.

So, so yeah, like, you know, the person that you are, it's so funny because like I see people's TikToks being like who I was in high school versus who I am at 25 and it's like so disparately different. But like in the public eye, there is this. weird expectation that you relatively keep up a brand that you choose when you're like 16, you know? And that you don't really choose too. No? I mean, like, I was, that was who I was, you know, like, it really, I guess I have to be careful with how I say this because I've said this so many different ways that it's going to start sounding like I'm contradicting myself, but

it was who I was at a time. And then I started to perpetuate it because I knew it's what people expected. And then that's what Disney knew I was and also perpetuated because I was branded and they were a brand and it just got bigger and more like dove Cameron wears white, is blonde, doesn't wear eyeliner, pink lip gloss and like I was so like, hi guys. And that was who I was when I was a teenager. And the funny thing is that like I actually think I'm very personality wise similar to that now. I'm just not like a child. That's really the thing is that when people are like, she changed so much because she got so sad, it's like a lot of the trauma that people perceive me having now I already had when I was that age. Right.

So it's not like there was pure dove and now like I'm so sad all the time and I have dark hair and I wear eye lighter. Like it's really not related. It's just that like my sense of self-expression. Sorry to cut you off. You see people saying sad dove like that's a thing? Yeah, definitely. Oh yeah. It's like before she got sad, before she got dark, before she went got got got

dark, before she went goth, which is also funny. Because it's like, if the goths heard you saying that about the way that I present, they'd be so pissed. I'm so. The goth community is offended. I'm so far from goth. It's crazy. Wait, that's so funny.

Yeah, but it's like, I get it. But you think it's like dark hair black eyeliner? That's what makes you goth to some people. Yeah. I mean, I literally can't figure out anything else. Like I wear like, yeah, like a smoky eye and dark hair. And I'm pale. So, like, I get the connection.

But, you know, like the contrast, which is not to say all gods have to be pale, but like the dramatic contrasts. Yes. Those two things is like, you know, it's, I get that there's like an association, but it's not, I don't think it's accurate. And I would say I'm actually like extremely happy now. I think that it's just, it's not as overtly coupled with things that we associate with like girlishness. Right. Like I would say I'm extremely friendly and happy. Yeah.

But I think I just give off this. kind of like darker vibe now. By comparison, I don't know. By comparison, I think is probably what it is. Does that feel like, do you think there's a stage, are you there where you like graduated the Disney? Like, because you said you and Avin even, like you didn't vibe over being child stars. Like that wasn't one of the points.

Do you feel like you, because you said it was so many years ago, that like it's in the past? I mean, I will say with like honesty and love and confidence. that it never comes up in my life. Like, we sometimes will watch it to be like, oh, like, you know, when I was first starting to date, my partner, like, we went back until, like, you know, like, dust off the relics and, like, bring him out and be like, this is, like, where I started. And I have so much fondness. And, like, for my birthday, like, we put descendants on.

And, like, I interact with people online when, like, something goes viral and I'll be like, you're killing it. Yeah. So, like, I don't, I never forget. Yeah. It's still, like, in my life in cute, charming ways, like, people will ask me to sign dolls. and like I have some dolls. It's not like I'm like, it's so far away, you know?

Yeah. It's fine. You don't have a complicated relationship with that. I have a very lovely warm neutrality. Like, I'm just like, that was such a good time in my life professionally. Yeah. I had so much fun on those sets. I have zero regrets.

I look back with, like, great pride for, like, what they are. I think they're cool for what they are. I love the kids are still finding them. But, like, in my day-to-day life, I have zero correlation with any of that. You know, it's like I'm in my house. I'm cooking. Yeah, well, obviously you're not like...

I'm working on music, you know? It's like it's just so not a part of my life in any sort of like mainstay way. So for people that don't know and may just know you now, right? Yeah. Dove was, you played two characters, Liv and Maddie on a Disney show for how many years was that? It was four seasons, so I guess, yeah, four years, yeah.

And you started that at what age? My mom was just correcting me on this the other day. I think it was 16. Oh, it was 16. And that was your first, like, acting gig? My first lead acting gig. Well, no, I did a movie with Disney before called Cloud 9 that is like, you want to talk about, like, something I do not want to see again. It's that fucking movie.

Why? Oh, because it was my first time ever having a lead, and I was like, you know, I had no idea what I was doing. And I had no eyebrows. Like, I plucked off all my eyebrows and I had these crazy individual extensions that were, like, curled to the gods. and, you know, just snowboarding movie. It was actually, it was so fun again. It's just like, it's hard for me to watch myself on anything. I get it.

And then with Liv and Maddie, you played two characters. Yeah. Which is, which you're like, I don't need a twin. I'm just doing two. You know, something's funny that I've never said in an interview before, but I want to clear up. I have a twin. Can you imagine? I'm like, Raven, come out.

Not Raven's own. Dove and Raven. But I have seen over the years so many people saying, I can't believe she stole this role from two actual twins that could have been paid. And I wanted to respond so many times being like, please, please understand no twins audition for this show. It was always about making one actor play two. And so like I wanted to clear this up.

There were no actual twin actors who were harmed in the making of Liv and Maddie. Nobody else auditioned for this. it was purely created for itself, which is crazy. They just told me I was doing it after we did a totally different pilot. So it just happened. So people get upset. You see that for... I think it's probably old, but I used to see it a lot.

I used to be like, I swear. Yeah. I swear. How hard was that to do? Were you knew it at... You were doing a community theater when you were growing up and stuff like that, but playing two different characters at kind of the same time. Yeah, no, I was pretty green.

Like, I'd done some other guest starring. roles like barely like one episode of something network you know and then I did that cloud nine movie and then I started on living Maddie I think like it was a challenge in the sense that it was more of a technical challenge because I I so have those two sides of my personality anyway like people are always pointing that out to me and I think it's very true that like I can be extremely femme and I can be very bouncy and like very easily like excitable and and over the top and then I can also be like incredibly like, I guess Maddie, I don't even know how you call that, like laid back like broie.

Yeah. Broie. You know, it's kind of my two like modes of expression and I do switch back and forth a lot. So that wasn't hard for me, but it was, it was definitely like we worked to set it up in a way that was like we did a lot of work, me and my lovely director, Andy Fickman. Shout out Andy Fickman, my love of my life. We sat in his office like for a couple weeks and we were trying to decide like key differences between the girls because Disney was basically like, good love.

They were like, you're going to go play twins. Figured out. One likes sports. One is more like Hollywood. And one plays basketball and one's an actor. And it was just like, so you can decide all the rest. Because I didn't audition and they didn't have character descriptions. Wait, you didn't audition?

No, because we had done a pilot that was like a totally different thing. Oh, and then so you did a pilot for something you did audition for and they saw that and they were like, we're just going to make this. We shot the pilot. We shot the whole pilot. And then they came back and they were like, we're not doing the show that you shot. We're doing this. And there's no character description or.

anything. So, like, basically, yeah, one plays basketball, one's a movie start. The rest is up to you. And so, like, we worked on, I wanted to make sure that their voices were different. There's a couple times that you can probably notice that, like, one was left-handed, one was right-handed. But sometimes I couldn't get away with that because of, like, camera angles and also just, like, I actually am right-handed. But, you know, there were things like, you know, they wanted me to come up with the catchphrase, which we came up then with, like, with the Maddie thing that Maddie says, yeah, it was just like a bunch of, like, funny enough. a lot of character prep for that little show.

And didn't you, you won like an Emmy for it? Yeah. Was that, was that a big deal for you at the time? Oh, yeah. I mean, it would be a big deal for me now. Yeah. It's so, it was so cool. Like, it was such a big moment in time, I guess, for, for, because it was hard.

Like, playing twins all the time. It's double the amount of shooting time. And it's like, you know, you're cutting into your lunch breaks. Yeah. Get this shit done. Like, transform your, like, switch wigs because swing wigs. Right. So, so yeah, it was a beautiful, beautiful.

thing, like, you know, to win a, to win an Emmy for that. And descendants, huge. Would you ever do another one? No. No. No, because our stories ended. And like, to be honest, not to get into anything heavy, but like, you know, we're not going to do a descendants movie without Cam.

That would just be, that would be impossible. Yeah. Like, it wouldn't be the same thing and it would be, like, really deeply sad. So, so, yeah, whenever people are like, why won't you do descendants, whatever, it's like, because you won't do it without Cam? No. of course not. Like, you know, I think, yeah, it just wouldn't be the same. And like, those times, those years were so special and so, like, crystallized in my mind, I know for sure in Boo and

Sophia's minds, that it wouldn't be, it wouldn't feel the same. It's almost like opening a book and then, like, writing in it. Like, the book's done. I don't want to, like, scribble on it. You know, it's like our story, our relationship with that franchise was so personal. And it so wasn't about the end product. It was like our bond and our relationship and our closeness and our forming. Like we grew up together, you know? So to go back there but have it be with one of us not. It's just we're not going to do that.

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Like she's working so much. She's working. Yeah, she's doing a ton of stuff. She's booked and busy. She's always working. But she also like, you know, we were like friends, but we were never like, none of us all, we all had individual relationships. Like, we would all hang out together after shooting and together, like, we would be at dinners and go out and hang out the four of us.

But, like, Boo and I didn't even get close until after we were done shooting. Like, I didn't see Boo one-on-one forever in filming, and neither Sophia. Like, I would hang out with Cam one-on-one once in a while. But, like, it was really about the four of us, you know. So the fact that Boo and I have remained, like, besty-besties has more to do with the fact that, like, we did that final press run together. And then we were like, wait, have we always been best bros? And then we just, like, never stopped. But Sophia's always off.

She's doing movies. She's busy. And you turned 30, like a couple months ago, no? Yeah, January. How was that for you? Because I remember, I remember. Mind are. 30 for some reason is like an age that a lot of people are scared to turn because you're like my dwindies are over. Like how did you feel? Weirdly, I didn't care at all. Like I was

sort of worried about that too because everyone kept being like, watch out. Yeah. You're about it 30. And I was like, oh shit. Like maybe I should be fucking worried. And then I just, it like came and went. Like I just didn't care. Did you do like a big party? Did you like celebrate? Yeah, I did. Like I had, I wasn't gonna. I wasn't gonna. And then my friends were like, you're so dumb. This is your 30th birthday. You want to look back and have done something. And I was like, it's too late to plan. And I hate celebrating myself and whatever. And then like literally the day before the party that I ended up throwing. I was like, fuck, they're right. So I like rallied the troops and I was like, who's in town? You want to come over tomorrow? And I just got. So you threw yourself a bash? Yeah, like an impromptu. Oh, I'm not letting anyone. Call it a dirty 30? No. I was a slumber. party. Oh, cute. I just got everyone pajamas and wigs and I was like, don't wear anything cute and don't do your hair. Because articles will be supplied. That's like your hangout vibe is like, yeah, silly. Silly, chill in playing games, watching movies, eating, eating snacks. Like, you don't love

going out. Would rather die. What? Hate it. Hate it. I mean, it depends because like in, like, with my partner, like in Rome, there's like one restaurant that we always go to because he's like, he gets recognized everywhere he goes. So we have like a friend's restaurant that we always go to. That's a really good time because it's like small. We know everyone. It's nice to be out in the world. Every once in a while.

And I mean like once every three, four, five, six months. I'll end up at a club somewhere because it's like. Well, that happened when we were on tour with his people a lot because it would just be like, we're in a new city and like someone booked a room at a club. And it was like, all right. Like, are we awake enough to go? You know? So like sometimes.

but it's really nothing I'm ever going to choose for myself. Let's talk about your fiancé. My fiance? Because when you sat down right before the interview, I'm assuming you were recording a voice note to him. Yeah. That we felt like I should be doing something else because I felt like I was listening in on like such an intimate moment.

But you like recorded him a whole sweet thing. I'm starting a podcast. I'm not going to be able to answer for an hour. I love you so much. I miss you. It was so sweet. You're so in love. Yeah.

Yeah. we are so in love. It's just like... You're like, yuck. No, no. It's like, it's just because it's like, it's kind of, you know, it's funny that we are, it's like embarrassing. I'm like, okay, I'll be back in an hour. You hang up first. It's so that, dude. It's so that. But it's when we, because he's not, he's obviously not here right now with me. He's back in Rome. He's Italian guys, if you don't know. He's Italian. And he had to go back and I had to stay. And so like, when we're apart for a week,

it's like awful. And so we just like, you know, we keep. each other updated on our day. We're sending endless voice, notes, text, whatever, because it's like, that's what you got to do. We're not, like, at the end of the day, how was your day? Like, that would drive us insane. So we're... You just keep each other posted. That's, that's so refreshing because I feel like with, like, Hollywood relationships, a lot of times, like, Normies, we don't know how to picture it. Oh, yeah. We're like, they're shooting over there. They're over there. Do they even see, you know, and now it's like... That's so true. I even do that with people. I'm like, but you're doing so many movies. How are you seeing each other? Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, no,

you're literally keeping him up to date of like, I'm going and I won't be able to answer my phone for an hour. Yeah, it's also, it's also because like, to be honest, like we're not usually apart. Like we spend, we live together, we spend all of our time together. So then when we are apart, it's especially like, you know, like you got ripped apart.

Does it do good for the relationship a little bit, do you think? Like, do you see that? No. You don't need it. You don't need it. We're so chilled and compatible. How did you meet? The MAs.

The VMAs. Yeah. When you won. Yeah. You won that year. Yeah, but there's confusion about this because that is technically when we like, nice to meet you. We didn't even shake him. We were just like, hey, technically that's the first time that like we said anything to each other.

But then we didn't like meet again until a year later when like the world was entirely different and changed. And he was, everybody was single and all that. So that's when we. Oh, you weren't single then. He wasn't. Oh, he wasn't. But I didn't know anything. I didn't know that.

Okay, so that's why you're, okay. So you met, shake hands. A year later, you meet again. Yeah. Where? VMAs. Oh, the VMAs again? That's why when I say, when I say, like, we met at the VMAs,

I'm not talking about that first time because we literally didn't even register each other that first time. Like, it's the same amount that I met like anyone else that night, you know, like in passing. Like, I guess, I technically, that was the first time I met that person too. Right. But we didn't meet in the way that was like, we're going to date until VMA's 2023. because like why else would be be in the same room, honestly.

Like he's... Aside from the BMAs, yeah. Because he's living in Rome, and I'm living in New York and L.A. And like... So did you know the music? Were you familiar? Yeah, I did. Well, I did only after I saw them perform at like the I Heart Radio Music Awards.

And I was like, whoa, these guys are so cool. And I went home and like downloaded, honestly, I'm not gonna lie. I downloaded like their Tumo streams, right? Because I wasn't doing a deep dive. I wasn't like, I'm gonna listen to every. I was just like, oh, these songs are cool. And then I like, one about about. my life. But so when you met him at the VMAs the second time, was it like love at first sight

vibes? Or at second site? You know, the funny thing was we had worked on a collab without seeing each other in that time because I think his manager sent it to my A&R and then he DM'd me and was like, can't wait to work on this with you. And I was like, what the fuck is this guy talking about? Like, I don't know you. What song? Like, he was like, can't wait to hear you on the song. And I was like, excuse me? Like, I, did you DM the wrong person? Like, that's what I thought. And so then I messaged my A&R Rainey and I was like, hey, what the fuck is this guy saying? Like, what song? And she was like, oh yeah, Monoskin wants to do a song with you. I was like, oh, cool, they're cool. I remember liking them. And so I went in and recorded, I went in and rewrote some stuff and recorded my half

and he had already done his half in Rome. So by the time we saw each other at the VMAs again, he had a reason to be like, hey. Oh, because you collabed. Because we collapsed. And we had to seen each other. And so he was like, hey, like, you sound great. And I was like, thanks. Like, can't wait to perform it with you, like, if you end up using it in your set, right? And he was like, we're doing our world tour, like, do you want to come to the show at MSG? And I was like, yeah, like, why not? And then, but then there was like a sort of like a, I kept looking, we got in the car and I looked at my friends and I was like, was he hitting on him? And they were like, I think very obviously. And I was like, really? Because I felt like he wasn't looking me in the eye. Like, and so then,

like, I was confused about what the night was. I was like, did he ask me out? Like, he just asked me to do his concert. Yeah. I was like, and I also wasn't dating anyone. Like I was super like, I don't want to do that. I'm not interested in anyone. Like I would just started dating. I started sort of like casually thinking about talking to this girl. And like then I met Damiano and that was like kind of like a freight train.

So you get to the concert alone or did you get a plus one? Or did you were you backstage when you came to MSG? No, no. We were just in like the section of people that was like, you know, guests, I guess. And so you came in not knowing, like, if this is a date, if this is... Well, it definitely wasn't a date because it was a concert. But I came in not knowing if what, like... What the intentions were.

I honestly was like, maybe he's naturally flirtatious. Like, I also just was, I'm so blind to that shit. Like, I'm so like... Because I'm either like, I'm either the person who is doing the flirting. Like, I'm either asking you out or I'm like deciphering and being like, I don't know what that was. Yeah. So I'm the movemaker. So, and he was shy.

Oh, you're the movemaker usually. Oh, yeah. Definitely. Really? Well, and this was the first time that I wasn't. Like, he was really doing the move making. So what? So that night you go to the show, it ends?

Yeah, they had me backstage. The whole band invited me backstage. And they, like, were popping champagne. Because they just played MSG and it was like so beautiful. Yeah. And I was just, like, fly on the wall for this thing. They were celebrating. It was super cute.

I was with my friend Matt. Shout out to Matt, Bernstein. And we were hanging out. And I was looking at Matt, like, what am I doing? Like, am I supposed to be here? Like this is so, I can't tell what this is. And then I was like, I just went up to him because he was the one who invited me. And I was like, hey, like, I'm going to head out.

Like, you guys did amazing. And he was like, no, like, please, I would like it if he came to the after party. And I was like, okay. So like, you're hitting on me. I was like, I think you're hitting on me. Because we keep like, we keep extending. Yeah. And then like I won't go into the rest of it.

But like. You've been together ever since? Been together ever since. And so it's been three years? No, two and a half. Two and a half. Yeah. And he proposed.

And he proposed. How long has it been since a proposal? Well, he proposed in October. And then it, I read that you didn't want it to come out and then it came out. Yeah. Yeah, we were going to keep it to ourselves for a while, yeah. Yeah, but then, I'm not joking. It was like something out of a movie.

The paparazzo, which is the correct term for a singular paparazzi, by the way, paparazo. Okay. Oh, now I know. Yeah. I said that the other day and someone was like, are you drunk? I was like, no, no, that's what we're saying. But the paparzzo, who was in Australia when we lived. landed, he's like the one guy. And he happened to get us like the one time we went out with the ring. Because also the ring was like too big. And I had like that ring extender from like

Michaels. So I like had it on my hand. And I was like and we were going to go to lunch with our friends. And I was wearing it literally just to go show our friends like he did it. It happened. We're engaged. And the guy got us from like blocks away. Blocks away. And so can you like the press, somebody bought it. Right. That's how it works. A paparato sells the picture to. Yeah. media. But then media, don't they have to confirm it? I just looked at my publicist. You just put her phone down in stress because, yes. Oh, there's a thing there? No, it's not a thing. It was just this funny thing where, like, we were trying our fucking hardest to keep it to ourselves because I had people who were very important to me texting me in my life being like, why am I finding out about this from? Yeah.

We didn't tell anyone yet because also we were in Australia. So it was the worst case scenario because we were on an opposite time zone. So like, and we got on the plane like within, we left to get to the playing like an hour or two after he proposed. So like we didn't, we had to finish packing. We didn't time to call anyone. And then we get to Australia and like everybody's in the opposite time zone. So we called obviously like our, you know, immediate family, like mom and parents. Wait, so it came out. That happened even before you had time to do that. It was that. Well, it came out a few days after it got, it got taken. But the tour was so intense that it was like any time that we had a free time to call someone who was like three in the morning for them.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to say that over text. Right. And like, it was just, it was just, because also, us. Australia was either right before Japan or right after Japan. It was like coupled together in his tour. And so like the time zones were just fucked. So, so we were pretty pissed when that came out. And then everybody was yeah calling Jamie. My best friend Jamie. And she was like, I don't know what you want me to say. Like she was like, we're going to have to like confirm or not confirm. It's like pretty obvious. And I was like, just do your best please to not confirm because it was obvious. But we just, We weren't ready to make the announcement.

We wanted to make it on our own timeline. So it were like a couple months where it was like basically everybody knew, but we were pretending that they didn't. And was it a surprise the proposal? Kind of. Yes and no. Like I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming, but I didn't know when.

So like the way he did it surprise me, I guess. So you're ready. You're ready for the married life. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think when you find your person, like, because I wasn't sure I was going to get married, honestly.

Like I, you know, you're ready. Your experience of love changes as you get older because there were people that I probably felt I wanted to marry at the time that I was with them. But then I got older and I was like, oh, I didn't know what I was talking about. Like, that's not someone that you can marry or that situation was not love even

or that was unhealthy or whatever. So, yes, I'm very aware that I was saying things about like... You were engaged when you were like 20, no? Is that not real? Kind of. Kind of engaged? Pretend engaged? No, no.

we were, we were engaged. He got down on one knee and he proposed. But now that you feel what a real engagement is, you're like, that wasn't. Yeah, I'm not going to go into that. Honestly, like, he was not, it was not, it was real. It was real. Yeah. But we were never going to get married. Yeah. No, we were never going to. But you sound like, have you always been a romantic? Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. But I also like, I also am like deeply traumatized. So I, I, I'm like a hopeful, romantic, not hopeless. Like, I'm, I love love. I love other people's love. Oh my God. I'm constantly clapping on the sidelines for everybody else. Love love. Love. Love. I love hearing about it. I love watching it. I love, like, real authentic connection. Like, I see people holding hands and kissing on the street and I'm like,

nose pressed to the window. Like, I love it. I don't understand how you couldn't feel that way. Are you spending a lot of time in Rome now? Like, are you going back and forth? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like, I mean, I guess it's relative to like, I spend. I spend a lot of time in New York in L.A. More time in New York this year than I was last year. But like I have a place in both New York and L.A. So it's so funny you're in New York. How did that happen?

Like is it because he's in, he's Rome, you're L.A. So is New York just you like to hang out here or? Well, we have a place in L.A. So we live together in L.A. So now I guess we are L.A. He has a place in Rome, obviously. And I have my place in New York. I had my place in New York

I moved to New York in like 2021 Oh yeah 2021 and then I moved to the place I'm at now So this is my second New York place Was it for work then Or were you just like feeling the change? It's just my favorite city

Oh yeah It's just like I land here and I'm like I'm home like this city is like What's that line from Sex in the City Where at the end like it's during like The week where all of the The sailors come in And then at the end of the episode

She goes because nobody's talking shit about my boyfriend. Nobody talks shit about my boyfriend. Because New York is, like, it feels like I personify it so much. It's my friend. It's my person. It's my parent. It's my, I don't know.

I just. I love that you love New York. My God, it's the best. I honestly think it's the best sitting on the planet. I know. I feel like people that live in L.A. Like, always love New York, but they just maybe couldn't see themselves here, like, full-time. It's harder.

Yeah. I mean, it's hard. It's, they're both hard in different ways, but, like, New York is just, like, a lot. Like, it's, to me, it matches the stimuli in my brain. So, like, I'm always, like, at a 10 in my brain. And so New York being in a 10 makes me kind of balance out. Yes. You know, whereas, like, L.A. is so all I hear my thoughts.

Oh, my God. I feel like that really makes sense to me. And it's probably why I couldn't live in L.A. Yeah. Like, you feel crazy and everything's, like, quiet. And everyone's too chilled out. Wow. Too relaxed.

Like, it worked. You're right. Like, I walked down the street here. and like sirens and like noise, and it doesn't, I don't flinch. Honey, that's a sound machine. I'm asleep. I'm asleep. You're like, ah, someone's like screaming down below at somebody.

I'm like, good night, guys. Like I was like, I'm just fucking, I'm, I love New York. I love also, like, the amount of times that since I moved here, it's been like, I'm doing one thing and someone, either I see someone in person that goes, oh, we're going here next. And then I'm going there. And it's like an art gallery. It's an opening.

It's a, oh, we're going to the opening night of this thing. Like, when I'm in New York, I am moving. My social life is bust. It's healthy. Yes. It's happening. I'm doing stuff every day. The time goes by fast. I'm tired at night.

It's life. Does Damiano like it here? Not as much as L.A. He prefers L.A. He prefers L.A. Because he likes the quiet, which is like, fair enough. Yeah. I had to just tell you this because when I was, you know, doing some research on you and reading up,

I came across your mom's blog. My mom still has a blog? Well, it's still there. Okay. I was like it's over. Yeah. And it's called hometown to Hollywood. Yeah.

That's so cute. And what she wrote in it, it like made me emotional, you know? Because I, you know, even me to me, I look back at like, you know, how I started this or like where I came. You know what I mean? And how much I wanted something. And here you are now. Like I love those kind of how you look back and kind of appreciate that. So when your mom, I think it was like the 10 years ago, she wrote like a 10 year thing about, I guess it was 10 years when this post happened.

So, yeah, she wrote this thing that was like about moving to L.A. You were 14. You brought a resume. It was a long shot. She wrote, what is easy in the moment is often hardest over time. I couldn't bear to look back someday and ask, what if? I was okay with trying and failing. It was just so moving.

Had it been easy, of course not. Had it been worthing without a moment's hesitation, yes. Oh, you're a good. And the adventure continues. She lives about 15 minutes away. I'm doing work that's aligned with my purpose and sharing a beautiful home. You know, it was just like I loved it so much

that I came across this. That's so cute. You're going to make me cry. I'm about to text my mom right now. Because, you know, like, one of the questions I would have asked you if I didn't come across this and get the answer is like how much your mom supported you

in your career and in your desire to do this. And just like reading that, I'm like, okay, she believed in you. Oh, my God, dude. Like, we were, we were, flat broke. Like, I'm talking like, we were keeping track of how much gas we were spending on the way to the audition and me being like, I'm going to pay you back one day. Like, you know, it was really on a hope and a prayer and a dream. It was really, really, because also my parents had

had had a company, but my dad decided to buy her out. Like, he was like, I'm going to, I'm going to own this company. And the company wasn't doing well either. So, like, there was no money. We, like, drove from Los Angeles and, like, brought her, like, little car that she had at the time, broken down old little car. And I remember her saying something to me, like, we have this much money for this many months of rent. If you don't book anything in that time, like, we might have to go back. But if we don't, like, I will be, we will be living in our car to make this happen for you. And it happened for you. Dude, it's like, I really, I really like, I really have, I mean, like, my whole career I have my

mom to thank for because she was so selfless in that time. And, and she was not as stage parent. That's the other thing. Like, my mom couldn't give a fuck what I was doing. She was proud of everything I was doing. But she was like, if I wanted to be doing anything else, like if I wanted to be studying archaeology, if I wanted to become a school teacher, if I wanted to be, you know. She just supported you. Anything, anything, anything. And so the fact that I was so hell bent on this. And she was so like, all right, like, clearly you're never going to stop talking about this. So like, let's see, let's see. And just the fact that it worked out is like, I don't know, it's like it's weirdly a retrospective relief for that belief that she had.

Like it's like I would have felt so terrible if I like had this, you know, delusions of grandeur of like I can do it. I can make it happen. And then she sacrificed like, you know, two years of her life to try to make this happen for me, three years, you know. And I had a very special moment the other day actually because I, I booked something that I was so excited to book because I, you know, I don't know when this project is happening and I can't say anything about it.

and it's like not slated for any time. So it could be six months from now, a year from now, two years from now. But there's a project that I am attached to that is working with someone that I like was on my bucket list. Kiyarbos del Toro? No, no, but that's he's also on my bucket left. He would also elicit the same reaction for me.

That tells you how much I was excited about this. And when I got that call that I had booked it, I had this like very childlike reaction where I was like, I need to call my mom. And I was like, mom, like, this is only made possible. Because of everything you did. Yeah, because of your sacrifices and like almost like we did it, even though she, again, like, I do not want to paint a picture of my mom pushing for this, you know, this life for me because she didn't.

She actually fought it sometimes. Like she was like, you sure. And so the fact that, you know, she believed me when I said, I believe in me. And then now we're here is like it's really moving. It's so special. That is so special. Yeah. No, I love that.

I think obviously parents' support is so important. Yeah. But this is on a different scale of like, no, not only support, it's actually do move. Like, it's really believing in your kid. Yeah. And it's a risk. It's a huge risk. And letting them follow their dreams, which obviously paid off.

You know what is so interesting about you and the duality is like you having an aura ring doesn't track for me. Really? I'm a Capricorn. Okay. Girl, I'm all about stats. Oh, you need the stats. You need the stat. No, I love the, like, tattoos, the snake, whatever.

And, like, the aura. She needs to know. She needs to know what's going on. You know what it is? It's more for me about my sleep. Uh-huh. Because I am such a bad sleeper that, like, if I look and I'm like, I'm tired, I will wake up every morning tired. So if I see on my phone that it says, like, no, you actually slept well, grow up.

I'm like, okay. Like, honestly. It keeps you in check. Yeah, because every morning I wake up being like, I'm so tired. I can't do this. It's like whatever it is. It's like nine hours. And it's like, but not even.

I'll never get that much sleep. But it, but it is like, like, it'll be like, you slept for seven hours. There was no movement. You had great amount of deep sleep. I'm like, okay, so I literally need to get over. Also, I do like, I like the idea of getting 10,000 steps today. You know, and do you get them in L.A.? Not in L.A.

I have to go walk. I've never been a treadmill person because I'm doing strength training. I've been doing strength training, which is, by the way, life changing. But I will start my workout now with just 20 minutes walking uphill. It's just to get like fucking 2,500 steps or something. Yeah, get something in there. Get something in there. So what are we manifesting next?

You have music. By the way, boyfriend, love. Your music is so good. Your voice is so incredible. Thanks, dude. Where are you at? Like, this project, we don't know what it is. What are the goals?

I am manifesting, because my album is so close to being exactly what I wanted to be. So, like, perfect by my own definition, you know. And I am manifesting that I feel that magical, like, it's done. feeling in the very, very, very near future. That's not what I'm waiting on, by the way. I'm waiting on a bunch of other, like, technical stuff to release it. So I actually have the time to do that. So I'm not holding anything up because I know everybody's going to be like, just be done with it. Yeah. I actually could be done with it today, but because I have extra time I'm playing. I'm manifesting that. I'm manifesting, you know, good health and good well-being for all the people that I love and

know, manifesting a better political climate, manifesting free health care for all, mental health care included and, you know, general balance in my life, you know, health and dreams coming true. I try not to aim for anything specific. Yeah. I guess I'm realizing in this moment. Like, I've always found that the best things in my career in my life have been great surprises. Yes. Like, you never know what's an email away.

You know what I mean? Refreshing that, you never know. Say that. So many times, like this show, 56 days actually, I was doing a photo shoot. I was doing a Cosmo cover. shoot. And I was in New York for something else. I think the Metcala. So it was like a chaotic week. No big deal. But it was like I'm saying that for context of like it was not about I was in no means auditioning, booking, anything like there was all this chaos going around. And I was not,

I was not present to like anything, you know, admin related. And my manager called me randomly. It was like, you just got this insane offer for like a straight to green light series Amazon show where you're the lead. And I was like, and it's always stuff like that. Yes. Like it's always something where I'm like bopping around. It's always also like when I'm like, I want to do this and I'm acting out of like, I've heard that before, that it doesn't happen. It's the same theory that when you're looking for love, you can't find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like if you're coming from a place of lacking or like desperation, which I've done it. I've been there. I've done it when it comes to like all kinds of different things. I've been like, I just want this. I want this thing or I want this to go this way.

It never happens. It's always when you're like open-palmed and like, I'm good how I am in my life right now. And like if everything went away today, it would be fine. Right. When you're content. Yeah, when you're just like in the moment, when you're present and then randomly. So that's how you got it. Well, I love that piece of knowledge. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There was other things involved as well. But that was essentially what happened. Yeah. Yeah. No, I love that. And it's so good. I'm dying to see how it ends now. Yeah. Again, I'm in episodes, eight episodes, right? Yeah. Does it come out all. at once. Yeah, binge. Okay, so it's a binge-worthy show. It's hot. It has the thriller vibes that we love. I'm such a thriller girl. Tavre just a beautiful person inside out. Thank you so much for coming.

Thank you. Everybody go watch 56 days. It's on Amazon Prime. Yeah. And we're going to wait for that album. We're going to re-re you. You know how everyone comes at Riri. And it's like, come, drop it! What are you doing? Stop raising babies. I actually would like live for people protesting outside of my record labels office with this huge sign as though they can like just press a button and drop it. Yeah, like I live for that.

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