Not Skinny But Not Fat - ERIN LICHY: RHONY'S CRAZY FINALE

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Erin Lichy is BACK. We cover everything from where she (and the other women) stand with Brynn, to Jenna's pubic hair, the roach prank, and that crazy finale.Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hello, happy Tuesday, everybody. How is everybody doing today? I actually wanted to ask you, which I never do this. And I know I really have an aversion to it, but I want to know because I have started doing these like five minute intros because I used to just kind of welcome the guest. I'm going to start doing a little bit of intros, like a little bit of pop culture updates, a little bit about what's going on with me and introducing the guests properly. So I would love to hear your

thoughts on it. If you noticed it and. Just getting a little bit insecure over here. I love your input, you guys. Listen, it's been cray-cray that it ends with us. Drama has gotten just crazy. I mean, Justin Baldoni released that 10-minute video that is supposedly negating Blake's accusation of sexual harassment during that slow motion dancing scene

where she says that he, you know, dragged his lips down her neck, said she smelled good. the video which was so hard to watch but I watched it four times of them kind of small talking out of character while acting in character so imagine just how confusing that is like they're acting in character because they're supposed to look in love and dance and blah blah blah but they're talking out of character because they know that their their conversation like is supposedly not being picked up or not going to be used in the film so they're talking about like you know just random stuff but not really that random

because she's trying to say let's not kiss let's prolong this kind of in between kissing and not kissing. He actually didn't seem like he was really trying to kiss her but she was very adamant

like about not kissing. So that does raise the red flag. Is she trying to, you know, is she trying to help the scene think like what would be hotter for the viewers? Or is she really trying hard

to not kiss this guy that now in retrospect we know that she freaking hates. So wondering about that. He does drag his lip down her neck but again this is such a fine line like because they are acting in character so like what is what who is who you know what i mean there was also a moment where he says that him and his wife staring to each other's eyes without talking she says all her and ryan do is talk he says

you guys are cute she says we're more than cute people thought that was a little awkward she said she felt it was like nosy because they were like rubbing noses it is awkward like really being actors is like fucking awkward. Especially imagine you don't like the guy and he's breathing on you. I have such a breath problem. You guys, if anybody talks too close to me and their breath, like I can smell yesterday, my son, which I can know what, like let me eat up his breath, but he came out of school and I was like, I know you had garlic bread. I just know you had garlic bread. And the rest of the day, I just smelled his garlic breath. I texted a teacher being like they had garlic bread today, right? Like I still have pregnancy sense of smell. I could just

smell what somebody ate. Anyway, if somebody was breathing on me, never the left. as somebody that I didn't like, I would probably die. Like, it's so not for me. I can't. But it was just awkward. Blake says that during that scene, there was no intimacy coordinator. I don't know what Justin is going to say back to that. Because Blake is saying, you know, jokes on you for releasing the video. You're showing exactly what I was saying.

It's damning every frame of it. She says corroborates her complaint, like him attempting to kiss her. kissing her forehead, rubbing his face and mouth against her necks, flicking her lip with his thumb, caressing her, telling her how good she smells and talking with her out of character. I would love to see, which I don't know. I didn't read the lawsuit, the description of that scene. Like, does it say the couple is dancing? Or does it say they're dancing, looking in love, almost making out?

Like, I do want to see that. But it says that Blake's team says none of the intimacy points were discussed or choreographed. Every moment was improvised by Mr. Beldoni, no intimacy coordinator present. So Blake leaning away from Justin and the scene was not acting, according to his lawyers, which that you can tell. She really wants to stay away from him. Video shows Ms. Lively leaning away and repeatedly asking for the characters to just talk. You see that.

You see that she's uncomfortable. Any woman who hasn't been inappropriately touched in the workplace will recognize her discomfort. We really, truly do. so she's trying to deflect and create levity that is true this is such a hard situation right it's like oh my god the thing that i really hope for blake that doesn't happen i am worried about her is that if they go to court and she doesn't have a big smoking gun and his like evidence weighs more than like her accusations and she has an amber heard situation happening like i just could not bear it.

I just hope that, you know, I do want her to stand her ground. I do want her to, like, do what she has to do. But at the same time, like, I am a little scared for her because the public is scary and the public opinion can really ruin somebody. I really kind of wish that all this didn't happen. I'm like, must you have both of you? Anyway, moving on, moving on because today's guest is a reality TV star that I love. She's a friend. Her name is Erin Leachie. And she's on Real Housewives of New York. You know her. You love her. I love her. I think she's, you know, regardless of my personal relationship with her, I really think she's just like a cool New York City girl. She went to the same high school as me. She is down earth. She's fun. She's light. She lets so many of the girls treat her like shit, which I don't get. I'm always telling her like, why are you letting people be bad friends to you? I just think she's.

great on the show and I think that she's always the voice of reason and she's just like a normal girl. She's not like a caricature like a lot of these housewives end up being or looking like in my opinion. Now when we met and chatted about the entire season was before I saw the finale. So I had to hop back on the phone with her like I did with Lala after I watched the finale to get her reaction to that to talk about that because that finale you guys, I had goosebumps up and down my spine. It was insane. Nothing is ever going to be the same again. Everybody turned on Bryn. I did read a Rolling Stone article with Bryn where she says and doubles down and says she did tell Uba. So we're going to get Aaron's thoughts about that. Rose is going to get her thoughts about,

you know, we saw a comment that Aaron made saying, because Bryn said they were like sisters and she's like, no, we're not. So what is going on there? We're going to hear about everything, but also talk about the entire season where she's out. What's Abe up to? You know, What do they do with that money? You know, what does Abe have to say about his sexuality? Because he dropped some bombs. So we're going to talk to Aaron from Roney. I love her.

Enjoy this episode. As always, if you love what you hear, then make sure to rate and review the podcast. It's super helpful and super cool of you. And I appreciate you. Okay, love you. Enjoy. My girl's here, babe. Hi.

How are you? I'm here with someone else. Do you cradle the bump? Sometimes, but I'm feeling so many kicks now. It's like fun. Yeah. When you start feeling the kicks, it's nice. How many months now?

Seven. Over seven. That's wild. Are you ready? I haven't really thought about it. Did that happen to you the second time? Like, this is my fourth. Like, I'm not really thinking about it.

A little common. What did you do differently then with the fourth? Were you like, fuck that ultrasound? So many different things. Like what? really different. By the way, our doctor tried to prescribe me Ambium when I was, I was like, I think that's a little much. Like, I know I'm not sleeping, but ambient. And he said it was okay? No, then the computer wouldn't let him process it. Oh, my God. I'm like, Asaf. I'm like, give me some guidance. No, I love him. But what I'm doing differently is not doing anything differently at all. Does that make sense? In your life. I am working out the exact same way. I'm eating the exact same way. And that's the one. thing that I did not do on my third pregnancy. I was like, I'm pregnant. Like how I always did, give me the pinkberry. Give me the Oreos every night. Like getting into every craving. I also

thought my last pregnancy was going to be my last. Oh, so you leaned in. So I leaned in. And I gained a ton of weight. It took me a year to lose it. Like, it was really hard for me. So this time I'm like, no, I'm not changing any aspect of my life. And I've been fine. And I feel great. And I've only gained like a small amount of weight. So, yeah, honestly, I'm, this sounds like, like, I'm for that. Like, I understand you. It's my biggest tip. I've never experienced myself. And I, if I will ever do it again, I'll do that because I look back and I'm like, the amount of bagels. Like, what was I thinking? What was I thinking? A bagel for breakfast? A pizza for lunch, a burger for dinner. We get, in our minds that, like, we're allowed, which obviously we are. We are. And obviously, like, the reason I ate bagels was

because the thought of eating anything healthy made me sick. Yes. But I'm saying. It's also true that every pregnancy is different. That's a good point. But I think having in the back of your mind, like I think in the front of your mind while you're pregnant, you're like,

it's okay. Like I'm pregnant and I'll even out. It all, you know, doesn't really count. But like the fact of the matter is it does count. And the fact of the matter is the baby doesn't need those orioes and bagels and cream cheese and pizza.

And it's honestly probably better for the baby if you do eat healthy. Have a salad. Yeah. It's probably healthy. for the baby. So whatever we're telling ourselves, the bowls of the night, the nightcaps of cereal. The middle of the night. I would wake up in the middle of the night and you know what I do that. That's my, that's what I still do. I wake up in the middle of the night and I have a bowl cereal. But it's a healthy one. Which one? It's like, well, this one I really hate. But like

sometimes I'll have Ezekiel. Serial? Yeah. They have a cereal? Yeah. Oh. It's really not good. It's like card. But you know, I'll put maple syrup in it and make it a little bit better. But I'll have like the Cascadia, whatever farms. Oh, Cascadian Farms is good. Yeah, yeah. The honey bunches of oats. Like, that'll satisfy me. I'll have a bowl and I'll go back to sleep and I'm fine. It is kind of wild to wake up and eat. That's what I do now. Stop. Because I... It's very movieish. Like, what are you doing in the kitchen? Like, getting a snack. Again, I'm having a bowl of cereal and I'm up for like an hour and then I go there's really nothing better than a bowl of cereal. I don't know how to explain it.

When you're pregnant especially, right? But I do agree with you. I do think like that's a good tip I think for people like that's my biggest lean in to the craving or whatever but like you're going to have to deal with it later you know what I mean and it's it's it's I look back now and I'm like I know with Noah I was much more on top of it but I also like you said I didn't have nausea with Noah so I could eat salads and whatever yeah with with Lenny I was like you literally ill but I think there's a balance right like just pay attention because you want to keep eating for your baby and for you. And so you're not like overwhelmed after, you know? I think my experience last pregnancy of trying to lose the weight and not being able to for so long

was so scarring to me. And like I was so uncomfortable in my own skin that it's just like, I'm not going to do that to myself again. And I also know that I was doing things that I didn't need to do. Like I every pregnancy is different. I think naturally sometimes you gain more weight, you gain less weight. Like it doesn't really even matter what you eat. It's just that every pregnancy is different. Right. Right. But with him, I was having a sleeve of Oreos in bed with milk every night. Like, I did not need that. Yeah. You know, so I'm just, this time I'm like, I'll eat. I'm eating more. I'm eating what I want, but I'm not doing the crazy things that I was doing before. So tell me how you decided to be Hasidic and have a force. I love that people call me. It cracks me out.

For people that don't know, and Hasidic person is a very Jewish person that is extremely religious. and has like 20 babies. Yeah. Or babies? At the age of 20, which I basically did. I'm only 37. I'm having four kids. When did you start having babies?

I started when I was, it was 27. I think I turned 28. I mean, for me, like, you know, because everyone in Israel has kids young. Yeah. And they still live their lives and they party and they're like, ambitious, a lot of them. So for me, like that part of my family, it was so normal for me. Yeah. Culturally, yeah.

Culturally. But in New York. York. It's really like, people are like, how do you have four kids? Is she really 37? Yeah. She must be older. Like, no, I'm 37 and I just happened to have a lot of kids. Wait, there is a thing online that's weird if you brought that up already. Like, some people think you're older and I'm like, are they okay? Like, do I look old? Look at her baby. It's me. You are gorgeous. Thank you. I mean, and your skin is. I went to my guy and I was like, do I need to like do this. I don't understand what they want. I think, you know what I think it is. I try to think about it because I do, obviously,

not agree and I think they're losing their minds and you're so naturally pretty too like on the show you're like without makeup like I don't understand what they're saying I look old and I don't realize it maybe it's like housewives has an older vibe to it yeah you know what I mean yeah it's not a young show yeah no it's not at all so I feel like that might add to it I think it's that the fact that I have a lot of kids yeah and that and the amount of kids and and you are very mature too yeah well I'm one of five and I'm the oldest. Yeah. So I've always been, I mean, listen, like, I've done a lot of things already. Right. I started everything earlier in my life. Right. I'm a city kid. Like, we just grow up quickly. Yeah, you don't want to know when we first tried drugs. Yeah, you don't want to know. You don't want to

know because he'll be not sending your kids to school. But let me tell you, that we went to the same high school. We went to the same high school. If you didn't listen to Aaron's first episode with me, which was when you first started. Yeah. Literally. the show. It was at the very beginning. It would be interesting to see like how you feel like a different woman. I feel much more comfortable talking about whatever.

Yeah. Like definitely. You were good then though too. That's what I liked about you like regardless of liking you as a person and you being a friend. Like I think you're just, I say it all the time watching the show. And you know that even though you're my friend, I'll say what I think of the show. Oh, of course I know. You've told me things. And you about myself. About you.

Yeah. But I'll also say about the show what I think. and who's what and, you know. Yeah, you're very honest. Do you get, if people are saying, like, the show, this season is annoying, the pranks are this, like. Okay, I will die by the fact that that was Rebecca's prank. I just continued it because I wanted to show that Bryn was a shit starter, which she is. Like, I was still salty about the Uber thing.

So I'll take that. But the roach prank I thought was great. The roach prank was Dom Aaron. I thought it was amazing. You did? I did. Oh, my God. They were like throwing up.

It reminded me of the Kardashians when they used to do pranks all the time. People like to prank. Wait, what other prank? There was a prank last season, too? No, I just took Uba's phone that she left in a car. Hashtag regret. Yeah. I won't be doing that.

That's for sure. Okay. Roach. And then, okay. Rebecca. Oh, and then I think Bryn took the suitcases for Jessel. I didn't even know why she did that. Yeah.

So there were maybe too many brains. Yeah. But that's not what it was. I think this is my opinion as a viewer of the show, right? Like not involved in the show. I think the issue is that people are just afraid to fully let out what they think and what they believe and, like, show the dark side of themselves. On the show. Yeah.

So you're saying it can't, it'll only get really good when people really good when people, really, like, are free. Like, I, I feel like so many times, I don't know, like, I'd get a little tipsy and a little wild with, like, Bryn or with Cy, and, like, then we'd really, like, loosen up. And it's fun. Yeah. And I just wish there was more of that. Yeah.

You know? I don't know. Yeah. I mean, take some cues from the OGs. I mean, that's, I'm down, you know, but I just, I feel like we all need to, like, loosen up a little bit more. Yeah. That's what I think and not give a fuck.

And do people give a fuck a lot on the show? I think some people do. I think people are reserved and they don't want to say. And also, let's just take a moment. The shit stirring, which is another thing that annoys me that is said about you because I'll say that like Bryn starts shit, which is so, I mean, you can't disagree with that. She literally will be like, blah, blah, blah. She'll like plant the seat.

And then people will be like, Aaron's like that too. And I'm like, I don't know what they're talking about. like the prank was dumb. Yeah. Okay. And it was a prank. But that's like not a real thing. It's not like you created real drama because it's a fake thing.

Right, right, right. But Bryn will literally, have you ever told Bryn anything that she didn't repeat? Like honestly, I need to know. And that's why I brought that thing to her. Because I'm like, let's see how she'll spin this, what she'll do. She spun it into some crazy story that, like, I couldn't even keep up with where it's like, she believed that she was pregnant, but she didn't believe that she slept to someone else. But I apparently, she was in.

on the, like, none of it made any sense, and I couldn't even follow it anymore. That's what she does. That's what I thought when you guys went to the brunch at the park, I feel like you at some point give up. You're like, okay, that's what I think happens with you. It's exhausting. It's like, you're like, you don't even keep defending yourself and you get shit and you're just like, I feel like you weren't even following anymore.

Why were they mad at me? Why weren't they upset with her when we were also at Dodgeball and she could have been like, oh, I knew about it. She was like, what? That's lame. Like, she was sitting there and Dodgeball upset that we had pranked everybody.

So I was like, oh, maybe she believed all of it. Like, I didn't even know. Why didn't Rebecca even want to do it, though? She wanted to see who the leaky pigeon is. Oh, my God. I don't know. She and I, like, don't even speak anymore.

You don't? Like, it's... You'll see at the reunion. Oh, really? Mm-hmm. With her out of all people? Oh, yeah. Can you believe?

Yeah. You brought her to the show. Like, technically. Yeah. And basically, oh, by the way, you guys, she's a friend of for those who missed it. Oh, she doesn't live here. Oh, she doesn't? Not fully.

Oh. Her kids go to school, I think, in Florida. Oh. In Tampa. Did you think she would bring more to the show? I didn't even think, not really. Okay. But I didn't even think that she, like, that wasn't my issue with her.

I don't care what she brings to the show, you know, as a friend of anyway. But my issue with her was just that you'll see, I guess. I shouldn't say. Okay. Well, I guess you can't ruin it. We'll be right back after the break. As I've been saying, you guys, this winter has been crack in the here. Okay, no, it's a crazy winter.

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watch it. I don't dislike anyone. I think everyone's great. That's what I keep saying. Like, it's not like I personally hate someone. But I can just see, Aaron, Uber's not your friend. it's complicated with her because she is literally by the way brin the only thing i'll agree with brin told you at the dinner like she'll tell you and you're like i don't see it like you you sound a little naive but i i mean yes because we're seeing like her like flip on you and i know i don't like when she does that but then she'll call me and apologize and she is a really good friend in other ways like she truly is she has been there for me so it's it's hard it's hard yeah You know, and like, I am, I'm close with her.

I'm very close with Sai. Now you're, you told that. You said that to me. And she's done some things to me that really bothered me, which she clears up the reading in, which I appreciate. So now you're closest with Sai and Uber. Honestly, I've always been close with Sai. Really?

Yeah. I know. No one, like, I don't know why. We like didn't film together last season. Right. Yeah, which was weird. But you are close. Yeah.

And Uber is still, you didn't turn. Like even after watching, you don't think, like, upset with her after the reunion? I was. And she called me and she was like, I knew you were upset with me. And if she does it again next season, like when is enough? I think it's just like boundaries, like I'll start, after a while, like I start to put up some walls. You know, like, what can I do? I would rather not, but like, you know, it's going to eventually just start happening naturally. You and Bryn look like you could have been such good friends. Like you have such a good vibe when she came to you in that episode

and she was worried when you left crying. Yeah, but then when I watch it, it's like, then she starts talking shit again. Like, why are you doing that when I'm crying about my parents most vulnerable moment I had probably all season? Yeah. Like, I was a mess. I didn't want to talk about Uber.

Yeah. Like watching it back and I remember feeling like that when I was in the room. And that's the thing. Like, this is the thing about Brent. I don't think she's a bad person. I really don't. I, there were times where I was like,

is she like I don't know but I don't think she's a bad person but she does things that are so wacky and like so like shocking that I'm like what is with you does she do it in real life or only when you're doing the show no in real life well okay because let's clarify the uper thing which that is a little bit funny the jena not yeah the jena uber slash thing that your drama with Bryn started then, which I remember meeting you that summer and you had told me the story. Yeah. And I thought it was so funny. Never did I think it would make it to the show. Yeah. And this is how you know you guys. The show is real life. It's real. Nothing's fake here. But when it came on the show, I was like, that's so funny. And when you told it to me, it was like funny,

but then the way it transpired, which by the way, got even more complicated with the Bentley. Because then we find out that it's a rental. Did you know that? I did. I did. I I thought that was very funny. Could we have known that from the beginning? Was it kind of like a production thing that they put the... I don't know what she was doing with that. That was weird. With the Bentley.

Yeah, because she was like, I have a new car. I have a new car. But that whole drama... But she said it right away. She was like, no, it's not my car. What do you mean right away? Like, she told us. And I think she would have said it on camera.

I just think it, like, didn't come up. Like, she didn't really care. She was like, they gave me a car. I'll drive it to the Hampton. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, Jenna doesn't... I don't think Jenna cares.

to pretend that she could buy a bet on me. Yeah. Like she doesn't give a shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? Okay. The way that it was edited and stuff made it seem that way, that's what I'm saying. But that whole drama with, that happened like we said off camera.

So you're not filming. Which was hard. It is hard with like in show world when that happens. Because then you bring it into the season. I wasn't speaking to her. To Bryn. I hadn't spoken to her. I was like, this girl is a fucking crazy person.

Am I allowed to curse? Yeah. I was like, she is a terrible. I was like, I'm not, no, I'm done. I was so done with her. Because of the Uber thing. Yeah, because she like. Because you tell a story.

You're like, oh, Jenna got stuck with the thing. It was funny. And she goes to Jenna. This is happening again, you guys. They're not filming. She goes to Jenna and says, Aaron said you're for. I'm talking shit about you and saying that you don't have money and you have money problems. And right before I show up with my friend called her from high school.

And I like, she's like, please pack me Shabbat food. pack her this huge meal. She's eating it in my face, but being like kind of weird, but I'm like, whatever. Like, she's weird. Let's move on. And I like ignored it, but I felt this weird energy. And then I'm about to leave. And Jenna's like, stay back. I'm like, okay. So I stay back. And she's like, I'm so hurt. You're one of my closest friends. And you're telling people that I'm having money issues because I, my car broke down. I'm like, what? I'm like, oh my God. Like, I was so caught off guard. Oh, my God.

And it was so, it felt so malicious and, like, evil. I'm like, what, because I think what, what happened. This is my, my take on it. I think she saw the photo of me and Jenna. It got like, it kind of went viral. We started having, I don't know if you even know this, but we had, like, all these, like, subsets of fans that would, like, reach out and put these montages on me and Jenna together. Like, it was really cute.

They loved our friendship. Like, it was something came from it. And people liked us on the show. show together. And I think she got jealous. And she was like, how am I going to come in here and just rip apart this friendship? And that's what felt to me like it was evil. Like, yeah, it's not that you know in real life, like your friends doing shit like that. No one would tell her things that I want her to see if she's going to lie about. That's the only thing I told her. So you don't, you don't, you don't confide in her. No, I don't really. Honestly, like our friendship changed

of anyone. And I can be friends with anyone, but am I going to tell them like things that are actually bothering me? Yeah. No. But there are other girls on the show that I'll confide in. But doesn't it suck? Don't you want to shake her and be like, Brin? We could be like, it would be so fun if you just wouldn't. Of course. What she did at the finale, like the crazy thing is that as you watch the season unfold,

not that I think she was right in the fight with Uva, right? Like I don't think she was right. She was clearly trying to get Uber riled up. It was obvious. You said it so perfectly in your conventional. Brin does and does and does because she knows Uba will give her a reaction

and then Uba does. Yeah. And then she's like Oh my God. Right. How could she act like that? Right. She's sitting there

not feeling well. You're poking in the air. Yeah. You know? I thought Uba was hysterical that night though. She was really funny. Literally in actuality

there were tears coming out of my I was crying. I was like why are you here? She was like, why are you here? She kept doing that. She does get so funny. She's funny.

She actually is really And with Jenna's vagina hair, like, did you guys really see a photo of her pubes? What was the photo? Was she wearing underwear or bikini? She was wearing, it was a sheet. I thought it was a silk skirt. I was like, wow, this is so chic. But Taya was like, no, that was a sheet.

She was in bed. So there was like a sheet over her. And she had, like, the hair coming out. And it was when I tell you. Or on the bottom. Like, like in between her legs. Why? Would she show you that?

I don't know. But it was, it was like this. Jenna, you know what? Jenna is actually more of a vibe this season. Oh, she's the best. I think she's the best. Like, for the season, I know everyone was, like, salivating just at the thought of her. Just because it's Jenna.

Right. But I personally think that this season, she's being really funny, looser, like you said. I think she'll keep, I think if she continues. I think she'll have fun. She's not as fun with it. She's having more fun with us, too. But at the same time, like we were talking about, you know, know, Uba, kind of not being a great friend to you,

Bryn turning. But we need, I mean, all the fucking housewives have always been like, she said that she said, like, that's, we need that. We can't have all of you being like kumbayyan. Perfect all the time. Yeah. I know. It is frustrating because it's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Yeah. Like a lot of the followers will be like, how could she do this? Like, how could they sit and talk about jessel? which I have to say Bryn took it to a level that was too far. Yeah. Like it was too far.

It was stupid. Like I was at that birthday party. I wouldn't have thought twice about it. It was a little silly, but it wasn't a huge deal. But also you're different. Like you'll wear jeans and a t-shirt to that. People are different.

And she likes it. But the thing I think with Jessel is like she really does seem kind of harmless. She is harmless. And like... This is my issue with her. My only issue with her. And I do really like her.

And we talk and we're, good my issue with her is she's so affected in my opinion by society and by her image and by who shows up to what party and what who she rubs shoulders with as she says like she's very affected and me being like a real person that doesn't give a shit about that stuff it's just it's just off-putting to me well it's not your vibe it's not my vibe like that's her vibe and like i don't care yeah yeah so but but that's the only thing and then what what what What I think bothers the girls on the show is that sometimes she's inauthentic. Like, you did move to New York for the show.

Like, you did do that. And we all know it. And it's like, you don't say it. But it would be so cool if she was just like, yeah, whatever. So I saw this opportunity. And I moved to New York for the show. Like, who cares? Yeah.

You know, you don't have to put this facade on. Right. Well, Bryn does say, Brin says stuff and gets away. She said she got a whole new face. Yeah. And that's not true. I mean, obviously it's not true. She did her teeth and she got some filler.

Leave her alone, man. She lost weight, you know? Like, that was mean. I thought that was mean. Yeah, that was a whole new face. And then the stuff she said about her husband, you'll see this at the reunion. But like, I hope that that was mean. Jessel, because people gave Rebecca shit for not coming at, like, not combating with Brennan of.

I think Jessel, like, never. Never. She'll turn to me and be like, you shut the fuck off. That was crazy. I was like, what? She did me of, like, a family. Like, you know, family dynamics when, like, someone gets mad more at that sister? Yes.

And I'm like, that was such a prime, like, she's literally at that dinner in Puerto Rico. Like, attacking you. She's like, shut the fuck up, Aaron. And that was your face. You're like, what did I do? What? And the truth is she did tell me she was really upset with her. We were on the plane and she.

She's scared of her. She's scared of her. Now, I think she at the reunion, he clears a lot up, which is nice to see. but she is definitely scared of her. And not of me, clearly. Do you feel it all bad? Because, like, the fans, I feel like are turning on Bryn. Like, they are saying that she's self-producing.

And, like, obviously, production slipped that part in. They could have not. Maybe they thought she, they would. Maybe she thought they wouldn't, but they kept it in. Like when she was, like, telling Rebecca. She would tell us, like, okay, what do we, you know, like, yeah, she would try to do. And we were like, no, we're not doing that. Like, we're not doing that.

And also, you don't, you're not a producer. Yeah. That's, I feel like if an OG can give you any tips, an OG would say, like, don't do that. You know what I mean? It was hard to navigate with someone who did that a lot. Yeah. Yeah.

Hopefully she'll learn from it. Yeah. I mean, she's really getting it. Yeah. And she, but have you talked to her about it or no? About this? No. Like, been like, how are you doing with the backlash?

No. No. I mean, I'm sure they're still like, she was. Team Brins, you know? Yeah, I'm sure. I really like, she came on my podcast last season and I really liked her.

She's fun. And I thought she was so fun. I don't think she needed to change a thing. I don't know why she got in her own head that she needed to kind of hype it up. But he made a little splashy this season. Said a lot of things.

Are you, you're mad? You got most mad about the mushrooms thing, weirdly. I wasn't actually mad about that. I was mad at him just generally. Oh, okay. I was just, he was just on my last nerve. Yeah.

And we were sitting there and I was like, oh, my mother, I fucking hate you. Wait, were you really upset with him because of the crypto thing? Yeah, I mean, obviously it was bigger than that, right? Okay. Like, I wasn't going to put him on full blast. But there were, like, financial decisions, basically, that he made without telling me because he wanted to protect me. Like, I'm some little innocent baby that doesn't know about anything. But I do get it and I do understand it.

And when he said that you were a jet setter and he needed to keep up with your jet setting life. I know. What did you think of that? Is that true? I was, I was partying with crazy people in high school. Oh, yeah. I was at butter every Monday. I was at home every weekend. I was at stereo.

I like hanging out with, I was flying private. Really? Oh, yeah. Not in, in, it started in high school and it continued throughout college and after. Where did you go to college? I went to Albany. It wasn't the college people. It was like people I knew from New York.

He's starting his law career. He's doing great. He has an amazing job. but, like, he's not flying me private to Ultra. So do you think he really does, though, get, like, nervous to keep up with you? Not anymore. But I think what happened was, like, we had this business together. He was on a great track, like, working at Casowitz.

Are we talking about the bags? Yeah. Uh-huh. But then we had this business that, like, he was working on with me and it took away from, like, him really focusing. Then he ended up leaving and we were doing it full time. We got into debt, like, the classic American horrible story where, like, a business fails. And you lose everything. And there were just other, there were just extra things that he still was managing that was

like his department that he hadn't fully like in financials. We have like departments that we take care of that he just hadn't cleared up. And he just kept rolling it over. But Abe made some comments. He made like a sexually fluid comment or something. He was like, I almost went that way. He's not sexually fluid. But he does, he has told the story before where in college, there was a guy that was like,

obsessed with him and he was like I don't know like could I be into this and then ultimately when the guy was like let's meet up he was like I can't do it I'm not gay yeah but I actually am happy that he said that because it I mean I was like why do you have to say everything but volunteer information like constantly but I also like I respect it because the truth is it's what happened and he you know ultimately he decided he wasn't you know he didn't want to do that but like the thought crosses people's minds i think and especially in college and when he was like really a hippie oh yeah oh yeah where did he go yeah wisconsin oh yeah he was a music guy madison madison he lived there for two years after fuckers he loved it yeah i had it's so funny

looking back like when i applied to schools it was just based on what i thought sounded cool it's just so funny this is how dumb i am i'm like where'd you go Ithaca. Oh, right, right, with Nina and Mike. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, she means Mike Lowhan. That was our claim to fame, you guys. I always forget that he's like Mike Lohan. Okay. Calm down, Ultra. No, I was like, Abe, you don't have to say everything that has happened in your history on national television. It's okay to keep some things to yourself. But he was like, Aaron, who the fuck cares? He doesn't care. Like, I'm married to you. I love you. I'm obviously attracted to you. Keep getting pregnant. Like, you know, but this is.

We didn't finish the pregnancy thing. So was this a decision, like the fourth baby? A decision? I mean, we went to Aspen and had way too much fun. I'll be honest, we had a recommendation for this babysitter. You know how hard it is to get like a great vacation babysitter? Okay. I had this recommendation.

Amanda, my kids were obsessed with her. They were like, you should go out tonight. We were there for a while. We were there six nights. They were like, go out tonight. Like, we love Lizzie. We want her to come. That kept going.

that they kept going on and on. We were like, what is it there? Like, what is she doing with them? She ordered them like ice cream and cake all that? But they had so much fun with her. So we were just out every night. We were having cocktails and having fun. Coming home.

We had separate rooms and we like with the kids. They had their own room. They were connecting. Oh, that's nice. And we had our own room. How are you going to make four kids work in the city? You're going to have to tell people. Because the minute people have a second kid in the city, they're like, we're out and

you're going to have four. I know. Well, I grew up five. in the city. This is just common practice for me. True. You know? Maybe you secretly wanted a family like your own. I mean, I definitely always wanted a big family, but if I have, that's too much. You're going to be six souls. Six. Six people. Yeah. Six. Are you going to stay at this

apartment? No. Can you? You're going to move. Yeah. Because of the baby. Because of that. And also like, I, it's beautiful apartment. So if anybody wants it, please let me know. But I don't care as much about, you know, being in a dormant building and having like a melee and I mean, I like to renovate myself. Like a nice place. Like I'd rather have space. I'd love to be in a pre-war. Oh, Milet the brand. Okay. I thought it was like a layout of like real third talk. Like I would rather be in a pre-war or a townhouse that I like fix up myself. Oh, she right. Okay. Let me just she rather. She doesn't need melee. I'm not allowed to let you sit here. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. She doesn't need of Muley, but a townhouse that she could just fix up.

That sounded really. No, because you know what I love? You know that apartment that we were just at the Christmas party with Selena Gomez? Okay. Sorry. We were at a Christmas party with someone. I mean, Hanukkah party. Why do I keep saying Christmas?

It was Christmica. Okay. So that, for example, that apartment is motherfucking sick. It's like a $13 million home. You would never know. You walk into this building. Yeah. That's my vibe.

That's exactly my vibe. That's a cool vibe. We walked in and I brought my mom and she was like, Erin. this is perfect for you. This is what you need. I'm like, do you want to give me some money? That's the thing.

That's what I think is cool about New York. Like not necessarily walking into the building that like looks fabulous. And we don't, honestly, Abe and I are like the type that I'd be fine without a doorman. If they're just like. Packages are hard though. I don't care. I always have someone home.

I have a million kids. Yeah. There's always somebody there. Someone can accept. So you have to move. Yeah. We're going to move. Yeah.

Okay. We're still working on it. Yeah. You have a little bit of time. A little bit of time. Did you share a gender? No. You're waiting until you get birth?

Yeah. Really? Yeah, to share it publicly. Yeah. Oh, how'd you make that decision? I don't know. We were just kind of like, everyone doesn't need to know everything. Yeah.

Abe. Are you scared Abe's going to, like, tell people? He has a big mouth. He told his whole family I was pregnant before I was like okay with it. But he was, yeah. He was excited. He was excited. And my dad had just passed and was like,

a really hard, sad time. Or he was getting really sick. And he was, he was like a second father to Abe. So, Abe lost his dad a few years ago. So it was actually very hard on him. How are you with that? Let's not even talk about it. It was, you filmed during all that, too. Well, before, way before. I didn't know he was going to. No, but during when you're both, and your mom is doing well. My mom's doing great. My mom's doing great. I'm so happy to hear that. It just like was, I actually, Actually, he was watching Southern Term the other day. The new season.

Yes. And, like, just, I hadn't watched it. And I was like, let me catch up on this. And because Madison had said to me, she DMed me and said, you know, like, my dad also passed. Right. And then I saw that her husband was going through something. Right. And I was like, damn, we had, like, similar years.

It's when two people in your life have cancer, it is the most, I just got chills. Like, it's something I can't really explain. It just, like, takes over. everything and it's like almost physical it's like not even emotional anymore it's so it's terrifying so it gave me a little bit of solace to see that like someone else in this world yeah was going through it like did you feel like supported by the bravo community during that time very much very very much very much and i know you don't want to talk about it so we won't i'll just say that like you know how i know that i am you and i know i know i know

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Before that, I really have to ask you and I wrote this for myself because when Bryn was going to take a shot off you and she wanted to take a shot off your belly button. And then she was like, ew, and you were like, I cleaned it yesterday. You did? Yeah. What do you mean? Oh, I like, I go in. Really?

Yeah, I do. Okay. I need to know if this is a thing. I'm psychotic, clean-free. Really? Yeah. Wait, so often you clean the inside of a belly button? Yes, I do.

It's much easier now. Look, my belly button's like coming out. It's never happened to me before. Oh, really? It's like coming out. It's because you stayed so skinny in this pregnancy. I feel like it happens to really skinny people. Really?

That's a thing. That's what I think. Huh. Okay. I want to do this game with you. Okay. Ready? Mm-hmm.

Bravo Lebs are of all different ages. And sometimes we're shocked to find. out how old they are. Like they find out Kyle Cook is 42. Like he's older than me. Right. So that's the game I want to play. Can I tell you that this summer? I have to find a name for it. If you can I have a good name for it. Tell me. What? I am going to be reaging this summer. You've said that. This is my fourth pregnancy. I'm fucking over this. I'm going to be partying. You're going to see me in the Hamptons. Like I don't, I might stumble out. You're joining. She's on Summerhouse. I'm, I'm going to be a hot mess. I don't care. Baby will be fine. The baby will be fine. The baby will be perfectly fine. You're going to be drinking mescalo. I'm going to be drinking mesquilu. We're hosting a ton of parties.

I'm going out every night. Like, I'm going to be my 37-year-old self. Like, I'm over this. You know, I didn't taste to taste mescalum yet. What? I sent a bottle. No, you didn't. Yes.

And Moti sent a bottle. Oh, Moti did send a bottle. But you didn't. Taste it. I need to taste that. So good. It's just like I'm not a drinker at Homer. Oh.

But they have it places, right? It's everywhere now. It's everywhere now. It's on fresh direct. You can order on a fresh direct. Yeah. It's at, like, most bars and restaurants, like, that you would go to. Oh, that's so fun.

It's doing really well. It is. Knock on wood. And that Abe is in with it. And you work together on it. It is the fundraiser. I don't know how he does it. He's really, yeah, he raised, like, we're on our second round now.

We have amazing people involved in the brand. A lot of ex-Cas amigos people work with us. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. That's so cool. I'm so happy for you. Thank you. Thank you.

And you genuinely love it. Brin making fun. love it was kind of funny too. Which part? The Mascallon. Yeah. See, she's funny sometimes. But that you don't care.

Like that's like... I don't care. Keep talking about my brand. Great. Keep going. That was funny when she was like, I love it's going to be like, I'm a Scala. Yeah. Okay. We're going to play who do you think is older or younger than you.

Okay. Erin's 37. 37. Right. Okay. Amanda Petula. Oh. Younger?

Yeah. Okay. Guess her age. 35? 33. Okay. She's much younger than him. Right.

I guess that is almost 10 years. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Because he's so, like, dumb. Because he's, like, acts like a fucking 25-year-old. Yeah, he does. He does look great also. He does look good.

It is annoying that he just, like, is getting better looking. He does. And they're cute. Yeah. I think they're cute. We support. Yeah. Shep.

Older. How old do you think he is? 40. 34. Okay. Wow. Damn. Rachel Fuda. Older?

33. What? Oh my God. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to have that reaction. Bronwyn. Older? 39. Okay.

Katie Maloney. Older? She's your age. Oh, I could have said younger too. Okay. 37. Oh, nice. She looks good.

Jack's Taylor. Older. How old do you think he is? 44? 45. Oh, wow. He looks good. Sheena Shea.

I don't know. I feel like she's like my age. 39. Oh, she's older. Oh, wow. Leah McSweeney. She's dating Chico from high school, which is so weird. Who's Chico?

My friend from high school. Really? It's the weirdest thing ever, yeah. You don't seem into it. I just think it's so weird. It is kind of weird. Chico? Is he Jewish?

Leah older. 42. Yeah. Okay. No. Carl Rodke. I feel like he's like old. Does that mean? 39. Oh, he's not old.

Yeah. It's so different. Bravo people. Just are all over the place. I just don't know. I can't guess. Wait, when's your birthday? July 1st.

So you're going to be 38. Babe. I'm going to go wild before that. You're going to be 30. eight with four kids. And then I'm going to be done. And everyone's going to be having kids. Are you going to tie tubes or make a do something?

I talk to Abe daily about getting a vasectomy. And he's like, I'm not getting neutered. Like, shut the fuck up. I've had, I'm four pregnancies. Go get neutered. Okay. Put your foot down and say you're not going to have sex with him. I know.

I should do that. Like, what the fuck? He's like, no. So wear condoms, Abe. We were talking about this last night at a wedding with my two really good friends. Big team. Oh my God. Wait, you regret.

You regretted that a little bit. I don't know. He was like, when I called him later and I was like, I don't know how it happened. He's like, you like. What do you mean how? Hi, guys. Want to see something? No, it wasn't like that.

She was challenging his dick size. Why did she do that? I forget. Remind me. Because I was like, do you have some clothes for men? Oh. And I was like, I think he's a large. And she was like, there's nothing large about him.

Oh. So what am I supposed to do? Oh. I had to clear it up. So was he upset? I mean, while you're telling him. him to not share everything and look at you. That's what he says. He's like, you can't

fucking say it. That is, you know, that my husband would probably, I'd probably not be alive. Really? Yeah. Call me. If I showed his penis to people, you know what really bothers me? Well, how would you feel? But yeah, you have to flip it. You can't make that comparison. You kind of have to. You can't, because showing a vagina is just different than showing a dick. Okay, then your tits. I wouldn't be so. Nipples, you can't show. But like. Okay. If you showed

your sensor to booms, you'd be okay. Listen, listen. You can't compare. Guys and girls different. I'm sorry, there's a double standard. There just is. Maybe he's proud of his dick, so maybe he didn't mind. And it wasn't like I showed the camera. I showed Jenna and Bryn.

Well, he showed Jenna, which I guess doesn't count because she's gay. Yeah. And then you showed. And she was into it. She was like, let's do a calendar. Let's make him a sexy calendar. I can't believe he showed Brent. She doesn't deserve it.

Well, I didn't know how bad things would get until he wasn't actually upset. he was a little like, I mean, don't show my dick around. But it was funny then when, I mean, not funny, but when Uba seemed to be upset about it, and you're like, okay, let's not make this a thing. You just cut it at the... It's like exhausting. Yeah. Like, leave me alone.

Let me do me. Like, let me do what I do. And it could, okay, it could bother you a little. You don't have to do it. Nobody asks, is the Oliver's dick. We're good, you know? Yeah. I'm sure it's big, though.

I love you. And keep doing you always. Like being who you are. Even with all the haters. No, with all, not even that. With like the, be who you are. Like that's, that works, you know, and that will shine through always. Thank you.

Love you. Love you too. Okay, you guys, we're checking in with Aaron because we recorded a while ago, not that long ago. A couple weeks ago, I didn't think the finale would be this fucking crazy. Here we are. The finale's, yeah. I watched it and full body chills felt like I was really. living it, even though I had already lived it.

It was, it was like a post-traumatic feeling. I can't even explain it. I felt out of body, I think, being there, too. It's sad to say, but this was like a good episode. You know what I mean? Like this was, it was a riveting. It's like a true crime documentary. The thing that gets complicated in this group, and I think this is what went on a lot of

the season, was that. brin is very good at expressing the points that she's upset about and then you kind of get hooked on those points because they sound really intense like you know and then uba's like well i was being in response and da da but it's like okay but those it was a low blow so like that's all we're focusing on the low blow but what about all the lead up and that's like what would happen a lot with you know the uber story right like what about all the lead up i wouldn't just sit there and be like Jenna's poor. Like it doesn't make any sense. So that's she's very good at creating a picture that you then get lost on. So you're just focusing on that one thing that sounds really bad. Does that make any

sense? Yeah. And she came to you also telling you, Aaron, we made a pack. You said you would stand up for me. I'm like, shit. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, oh, my God. Like I'm not standing up for her. And like, I guess we did kind of say, you know, we're going to make sure that we support each other. And then I started feeling guilty because like I'm a girl, like I love my girlfriends and I always want to protect my girlfriends. And I, I realize that she was upset in that moment. That's the other thing. Like she tends to get very upset. And so then you just, you know, nobody wants anyone upset, right? Like if anyone was crying in front of me, I'd be like, no, no, no. Like, please don't be upset, you know? So then she gets you with that. And it's very complicated. And it's like, I don't think,

again, I never want to say that I think she's a bad person because I, don't think she's a bad person, but like these tactics that she's developed in her life are hard to navigate. It's like exhausting because like when someone tells me something, I believe it, A, and B, when someone is acting a certain way that's like, like they're the victim, you feel bad. Like it's a natural inclination to just want to be like, oh my God, I'll take care of you. And then you forget about the whole other side of things. Yeah. And you're also. you're also

Uba's good friend but in this instance yeah Brin got you and a few of you riled up to be like Uba it's not nice she's really offended blah blah blah then we move on to Bryn not wanting to talk to

about things but then doubling down and saying you guys I still can't believe she would even say that to me because she's the only one that knows that I was raped yeah and one thing I want to clear up not that I have seen

this that much, but I saw side posted about it. And then I was curious. So I saw a couple of people say, I was not there when she told people the story that Uba knew. I was not there. I was off doing my own thing. I think I was about to eat like I was starving. I was not in that room. So I couldn't have told Uva because I didn't know about it. The minute that she then told me the story, my immediate reaction was disbelief. Like I was like, I don't think that happened. Like I can't imagine that Uba would hear you say that and then not make like I mean I know that she wouldn't she'd be like what like who when how she'd follow up about it she talked her like it's just there's just no way and that's when she commented you know maybe she didn't clock it and then I was like oh so you're just this isn't true like this just isn't true so really feel like I'm telling you could feel from my couch that the minute that happened of the oh well maybe she didn't clock after the night that you guys had after Uba saying she swears on her onborn child and may a law strike him down and, you know, freaking out, which I mean, Uba's reactions are grand, maybe it would have helped the situation if she said, Brynn, I didn't fucking say that. You lie or you know what I mean? Like, you didn't say that to me. But I also understand being frustrated. Like, imagine you guys, somebody saying something that's not true about. you and you know that it's not true it can drive you mad so she says to you guys maybe she

didn't clock it meaning i was on the phone with her running about stuff said it she didn't respond to it and now she's saying things that are kind of which i also don't get the exact correlation between the two you know what i mean but i don't want to i mean that's brin's kind of trauma like because she's saying how would uba say that i slept with someone to get the job if she knows that I was raped. That's what it sounded like. I think what her implication was, she's like using this information

to attack me and shame me, knowing that I was sexually assaulted, which by the way, if that were true and that was something that Uvo was doing, I would never speak to her again. Like, it would just be so disgusting. Wow.

So that's a huge, huge accusation of someone's character. Yeah. And that's why we were, like, whoa. And then it just took things to like, okay, we're, you know, to break the fourth wall on a TV show together. We are spicy sometimes. Like, we, you know, argue this and that. But this is like, this is, we don't do, like, you don't do shit like that. Granted, could she have said it in that call? It's possible. I mean, I wasn't on the call. It's possible.

That being said, she obviously didn't remember or didn't know because. it was never brought up again and that's not like her all of it was so convoluted and like so upsetting i think to all of us and we had also spent a season with i mean especially me getting so wrapped up and and like getting so like screwed over by anything i was saying to her i mean it was like the stupid pregnancy prank thing and then it looking like i was trying to frame brin and the uber thing with like my really close friend that i really had an issue with know. So for me, I was just like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like this has been, this is going on too, too much and too long, you know, and I've forgiven her so many times. And it seems like with

everyone, like the minute that Cy and you said in your confessional is like that was the breaking point, it kind of you could really sense that like once she lied about this and you're kind of looking back like all the other stuff she lied about, like you're done. Like this was kind of the straw that broke the camel's bag. It feels like. And how quick did you, because in the morning on the show, it does look like she's like, oh, fuck. Did you feel that? Like, was that the vibe? I don't know if you could see if you noticed, but like I kind of was just steering clear.

Like, I just, I think it was just a lot. And I just wanted to not have any sort of, I didn't want any more altercation or anything. But I was very surprised. I'll say this. to hear that she wanted to stay, that she had, you know, the capacity to put on her, I think she called it like her big boy pants and just continue on with the day. Like that wasn't an option. Nobody was able to, we all were just like get us at, like, this is not normal or okay by any means.

So like that the fact that she was the one who did it and she thinks that things were normal and okay is it makes things more confusing. And you saw her Rolling Stone interview. Well, that just triggered the fuck out of me. I lost it. So she said in the Rolling Stone interview, firstly about this fight, she said,

like we discussed, that she did say it to Uba. She was listing things. Maybe Uba doesn't remember. That's one. Secondly, they asked who she still talks to. And she said,

well, Aaron and I are sisters. I just talked to her in Abe the other day. And you then, which you usually don't do, but people kind of really, kind of love that you did it was commented on a post

kind of recapping that saying no, uh, yeah, that really got me. That really got me because I'll tell you why

after the title shoot, I reached out to Bryn to like me, you know, I just wanted to make sure she was okay. It doesn't mean that just because I'm cordial with someone doesn't mean

that I'm then not going to have boundaries up. Like my boundaries were up after that whole situation. Wait, how awkward was that day? The film, was it as awkward as it looked? Yeah. I mean, she wasn't there for a lot of it.

She didn't get her hair and makeup done there with us. Wow. She missed a lot of it. She just came to do her singles and then the group. And it, listen, I have a heart. Like, it felt it was hard to see her, like, so sort of ostracized. And her brother was there. And, like, I spoke to him for a little bit.

It was just sad, you know? Yeah. But yeah, so I reached out to her to just say, like, I hope you're all right. And I guess she had remembered, like, the other times that she had texted me. And I'd said, like, you know, Uba's really upset about what happened. And I guess she didn't like that. She didn't like that. I was saying that Uber was upset because she was the one who's supposed to be upset, I guess, after this whole thing.

And so she blocked me. So I didn't speak to her for months until my father passed away. hadn't spoken a word to her. This was someone who I was friends with. And honestly, quite frankly, I thought she'd be apologizing to everybody. Hey, sorry for ruining the end of the trip. Like some sort of like accountability for what had happened. And, you know, like, if I, because if I put myself in her shoes, I would have felt so awful. Yeah. You know, if I had done something like that, I would have, I think I would have just, or anyone would have just been like, I made a fucking mistake. I'm not perfect. Like, I screwed it up and whatever. So it takes a year to recover or however

it is for people. Like it takes time, obviously, but like at least you're owning it. They're still, so then when I saw the article, I'm like, okay, so not only did I get, did I get in trouble? Because I was feeling for my other friend who was just, you know, typecasted, a really terrible person. But now it's still going on to the point that we're writing articles, like we're still doubling down and calling me like a sister when you hadn't spoken to me at all. I hadn't, not only spoken to me, blocked me. How did you know you were blocked? Because my text messages after were coming in like green and I, yeah, she blocked me.

She blocked me. And now it's confirmed because, yeah. It's confirmed. Yeah. It's confirmed that she blocked me because she's since reached out. And I was like, I'm like, I'm sorry, but I'm not. I don't have the capacity right now to have these conversations you blocked me like as though I did something wrong and you know and she was like I'm sorry I blocked you so I mean as I got an apology but it's just like so it was very upsetting so you commented about her calling you sisters because like that was it's just so off the reality how are we sisters we don't like you hate me like apparently I'm blocked sisters like I talked to my sister every single day. I'm That's not, like, my version of sisterhood here, you know?

And then you clapped back again because someone was like, Aaron just commented when she was abroad about, like, wanting to be on vacation or something. Yeah. Because I, I, like, I think I saw a picture of her and I was trying to be cordial before the reunion. And I was like, oh, like, cute or something like, I want to be on vacation. What does that mean? That means that I was, I think I was still blocked at that point.

So it doesn't matter. I mean, it's interesting that she wouldn't even say, like you said, you guys, that trip ended so weird. I am mortified. Maybe I don't have all the explanations right now. Like anything, you're saying she didn't say anything to anybody. And then on the Rolling. She's mad at me. Mad at you.

And Jessel. She was mad at us for taking Uber aside. That's what happened instead of accountability. And I think after that, like I was already. really, I mean, I had already been really kind of fed up with just like the twisting and turning of so many things that had gone on. But then to make it seem like I've done something wrong, like, it's not going to keep getting flipped because no, like, just no. It's very, it's very hard to deal with that. Like, I'm not equipped for that kind of like psychological.

Warfare. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not good at it. Like, I'm truly, you could see it all season. I'm like, okay, we're sorry, like, we're, like, I don't get that. I'm not from this world, but, you know, I guess, you know, I went to, took a crash course in it. What do you think is going to happen? I'll tell you in my DMs and what I'm seeing is everyone's like, no way she's coming back. No way she, that's the vibe. Like, I've heard from like crazy Bravo fans and know every single franchise. They were like, people hadn't come back from like less for less.

you know what I mean? So what are you guys feeling about it? Like I know you don't know what's going to happen, but how would you feel if she came back, if she didn't come back, are you guys worried she will? I think it would be really hard for me to trust anything. I mean, how do you do that?

How do you, how do you like overlook something like, you know, the finale? How do you overlook an event like that? It's just, you know, because then you just feel as though, all right, well, if I do something to you, you're going to find something retaliatory that is really extreme and I don't know what that is and it could be something like think about the the level of of the accusation to uba and how far-fetched

it was from uba's world right like she couldn't have seen that coming yeah so it creates you know concern of who knows what could be the allegations can be right because it's just so far away from you know it's not like oh i'm going to fuck your husband or like you date your dad like this is like whoa you had been talking about sexual violence you know what's so funny though is that the examples you just gave like happened right but like okay i could see that coming like i can foresee this conversation but the fact that she had she's writing a book about sexual violence she's opening up about her story she had been doing it the whole season and then the finale was then

that topic was then turned on to Uba like weaponized in a way. How could we how could any of us simple folk be you know onto something like that? So it's like it creates not only

a concern of trust but it's a concern of like understanding the intricacies of the way she even thinks. Yeah. Are you do you know if the other girls, if anybody talks to her since? I don't think anyone.

Jessel's very upset with her. And you'll see I'm out at the reunion. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's very like she came with some serious, like feelings. Yeah. So you have no idea what would happen next season.

Obviously, we never know. Bravo folk have made that clear. Look, I really, truly from the bottom of my heart, wish for in the best. Like, I really, really do. She's got qualities that are incredible. And she's really intelligent and she's very, like, charismatic. And it's a shame for someone, like, with all these talents to not go far in life. And she could do so much.

I mean, she's incredible in a lot of ways. But she's got to own up to the things that she does to people. people. You know, like even with the Jenna thing, it seems like so inconsequential at this point, but like that was really hurtful to me. You know, here I am forging of, like, Jen and I talk all the time. She's one of my closest friends. And to have that happen, you know, you've been, I'm sure, betrayed by girlfriends. It sucks. And it was such like a gross thing that, like, I would go and run and call her poor. And it's like, these kind of things kept happening. Yeah. And until she can really work on that side of her

and realize why she's doing this to people like it feels malicious and it does feel malicious because I know that Jenna I think and sigh Jenna for sure said that it feels like it's like a toddler kind of wanting attention and like doing stuff for attention

in a way. Are you guys like worried about her that she's you know because a lot of like I said fans reactions are what she did was super fucked up but like she needs help that's kind of the vibe we have been we've been very clear you know and i think brava's been actually really amazing with having psychologists on hand and making sure that everybody gets the support they need but yeah of course we're concerned but it's also like we don't i just i can't like with everything that's happened to me like i'm trying to like close the door on

2024 and move into 2025 and like a clear way without all this baggage and drama that I just I can't even touch that like I it's not like it's it's just I'm usually someone who loves to like be the one to be there for you know someone who's going through it or has you know is going through a hard time I just feel like I can't even I can't do that right now because I just don't have the capacity when it comes to Bryn, which is sad. Did she see your comment on that account? Did she say anything about it? Yeah, she reached out to me, yeah.

Oh, what did she say? Yeah, she wanted to talk. I was like, I'm just not really, as I said, I don't really have the capacity, but I'm rooting for you. She sent me, actually Jenna gave me advice because I was like, I don't know what to do. And she's like, voice notes.

So I was like, okay, just send me a voice note. print and I'll respond when I can. And she was very sweet. And it does pull up my heartstrings. It does. You know, it's like she says all the right things and she's super kind. And I know she loves me and Abe.

I know that. You know, I know. And Abe has a soft spot for her too. Like, we're human. She's not a bad person. But I think I just like need time to figure out. You're also very pregnant. And I'm also very pregnant.

I'm hormonal. someone says the wrong thing to me and I'm just going to like lose it anyway so not the best time to talk to me. So. And like you said, you had a hard, a very hard year to say, I mean, that doesn't do it justice. So it makes sense for you to kind of protect your. Yeah, I just keep in joy my life right now. Like I'm, I'm finally like the grief has been awful to be honest. But it's, I'm feeling like my siblings and I are starting to like accept this next stage of my dad like we still it's actually nice because we're starting to feel like he's still here you know like he's not gone he's just not physical and so that's been like really therapeutic and I think that I'm enjoying the space that I'm in right now you know

and I just don't want to have this toxicity and this all this stuff I mean I've taken a step back from other people on the cast not just brim you know I'm not just going to sit here and say it's just brin like i've needed my space from just i just need a minute to process everything so who haven't you taken a step back from well then i'm going to give it away so i'm not saying anything i try to trick you okay well i try um i love you thank you for hopping on and reviewing this crazy finale with me you guys tune into the reunion tonight and this part one next week is part two And love you. Thank you for coming on.

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