Not Skinny But Not Fat - Francesca Farago Responds to Ex Harry’s Dragging

Episode Date: August 4, 2020

THE TEA IS PIPING HOT. Ok, stop, I hate calling hot gossip “tea” but omg. Had to. Francesca Farago from Netflix’s “Too Hot to Handle” is back on the show to respond to ex, Harry Jowsey’s recent public “dragging.” In our first episode together a few weeks ago, Francesca was extremely respectful of her ex, and would not go into too much detail about the breakup- and was clearly still shaken up about it! But now, since her ex, the 22-year-old Australian she met on the show, is talking about her everywhere he can, and even threatening to sue her for losing Instagram followers! Yes- this is not a joke- Francesca wanted to speak up- HERE. Listen to this episode for Francesca’s side of the story as she’s telling it here first! Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat. So a few episodes ago, I had Francesca from Too Hot to Handle on. We talked all things throughout to handle, everything that's going on with her right now, IRL, a little bit about her breakup. And in the last few days, there's been some drums on the interweb with her ex, Harry, and a bunch of other shit going on.

So she's back today, Francesca, aka Frankie. aka Fran what's up you literally had bangs two weeks ago when we talked and different hair completely because the bangs are still there it depends how I blow dry them it really does oh I see I see if I blow dry them like swooped they'll be bangy but if oh I see I straighten them to the side they kind of just go yeah my hair's more blonde now yeah I like it very summary even a little switcheroo I think first of all before even like we said in last few days hair has been like talking up a storm which like we respected the shit out of that when you came on my podcast last time i didn't we didn't even talk about the breakup yeah remember yeah i think like

i don't really know where all of this crazy stuff that he's been saying has came from necessarily because can you tell us what crazy stuff because i was telling francesco before we started that like I saw that he was doing press and things jumped up for me that he went on other podcasts and was talking but I like I don't know why like didn't watch it. I didn't. Yeah, I didn't watch it either. I was just, I keep getting sent it from other people, but I think there's been like, the impulsive podcast was the first that I was aware about.

And I was like, okay, I'm not going to watch it, but someone watch it and take points for me and tell me like if there's something that I need to address. So basically there was that and there was like maybe. four or five other things that he's done in the past week, just completely, in my opinion, inaccurate and honestly degrading information that he's been for some reason deciding to share publicly and kind of doesn't really make sense to me

because I don't think I did anything to attack him or I read somewhere that he was saying that I emotionally tormented him and I have absolutely no idea where he's getting this. from because that is absolutely not the case and 90% of everything you said was completely fabricated. Wait, can you, can we rewind since we didn't do it on the last podcast? Because like I said, we were like R. ESP-C-T. Can we is, can you give us now a little bit more of, of, so we know what's going on now with him like talking shit, like what actually happened from your perspective, if you can?

Yeah. So I think the things that he's been bringing forward in regards to the situation with him and I is situations that happened during our first breakup. I guess he was saying things like that I wasn't there for him and that I was flying places to see ex-boyfriends and that all of that is completely very misleading information. So aside from the stuff that happened over a year ago that he's for some reason bringing to the surface that has nothing to do with anything. it's going on right now. Wait, because there was a first breakup, which you even told me last podcast, I was shocked, that he dated, like, that you had a breakup, like a small one.

Yeah. During that break, he even went out with Madison. Yeah. And then you got back together. And then there was the big breakup. Big breakup. Yeah. So it's really hard because I don't know, like, how much to say and how much, how much not

to say. But so we were arguing a lot. And the distance. He was telling me that if he still loved me and he still wanted to marry me, but he couldn't do long distance anymore. That's what he was saying to me. So this all came about around the time of the reunion after I found out about Madison. So I confronted him and I was saying that I didn't understand why he wasn't honest with me and I felt really betrayed and really hurt and I didn't think I could trust him. And his reaction to that was to say, I can't do this. Like the distance is

too hard. Like I don't want to be with you anymore. basically when you broke up why was so explosive why was it so nasty why was it like like that like what what happened yeah i think there's not really there's a lot of like legal stuff going on so i can't really give like too many details of the situation but legal stuff like he's like basically i don't know like threatening to like sue me for like defamation and losing followers What? How many followers does he have?

I don't know, but all I know is that every single human on a reality TV show, once the show's over, after a few months, you lose followers. Like, it's not, it has nothing to do with me.

I know every single cast member has been losing followers. It's not just, but Francesca, you didn't, you didn't talk about him. You made it a point. Wait, why can't I, find him did he like block me because i what the hell he might have blocked you he's why would he block

me i didn't say anything about him he's king of i don't know actually wait i'm putting in harry nothing's coming up i'm really confused yeah like he's been on a blocking spree he brought he blocked Bryce is bright. You said you and Bryce are friends. Yeah. Oh no. Okay. I have to check this. I'm not sure. I think there's something wrong with Instagram because when you put in Harry, only like one Harry comes up. Um, okay. So, but you didn't talk shit about him. You weren't talking about the breakup. So why is, why? I think especially considering everything that I had found out in regards to the situation that happened between him and I. What did you find out? There was just, things that were happening behind my back and I had I was completely blind to up until like right when I filmed that breakup video and we not me personally but we were the plan from someone else's direction was to keep it very civil and very light and very we're going to remain friends but after I was finding out things that were happening and things that he was doing behind my back. I decided that I was just going to film my own breakup video and Francesca, I have to be

honest. I still don't get it. What did he do? What did you do? Why, why, why wasn't it just like, oh, long distance, not working out? Even though you moved to LA kind of for him. Yeah. So I think that in my personal opinion that I was being used for cloud. I hate saying that. that weren't but that's what I believe the situation was and he said in the interview that he fell out of love with me and he knew he fell out of love with me when I visited him in February so if he knew that factor he shouldn't have proposed he shouldn't have made a wedding ring folder we shouldn't have been talking about getting there wait when you say proposal do you mean the reunion ring pump

Yeah, but not only that, like, aside from that, him and I were genuinely speaking of getting married. Like, that was the, like, we were talking about it, like, every day. He was like, pick out a ring, pick out a ring. Like, tell me which ring you want. And I think that I was just being kind of manipulated into believing that it was real. And he was just doing whatever he could, as he explained in an interview. he was doing whatever he could to get himself higher on the social cloud ladder ladder i guess you could say so there was that and i didn't really so everything was civil more or less there was arguments and

it wasn't it was kind of toxic to a point where we were fighting over absolutely nothing but not to the point where there was any emotional distress especially on his end if anything it was emotional to stress on my end because I was like it was a really rough period and the plan was to still be civil for the majority of the time we were going to be lighthearted with it and we were just going to take a little bit of a break and then get back together but when I went back to Vancouver after I visited him in May I was getting sent all this all this these screenshots of things that he was doing and things that he was saying to other people and I had conversations with other cast numbers

and basically I found out that the relationship in my opinion was just like a complete sham and a lie and in my opinion I was being used and he was just doing whatever he wanted and that's when it really hit me and that's when I decided to

drop the breakup video without kind of showing it to our manager or talking to him about it because I felt like extremely distraught and extremely just like I didn't know what to do and... Because you guys have the same manager, basically. We do, which is crazy too.

But in my opinion, like, I thought my breakup video was as lighthearted as it could have been, considering the situation that was happening and considering everything found out, I left 80% of the things that were actually happening out. So I thought that that was lighthearted of me. And yeah, I was making a little bit of jabs on TikTok. I was leading some comments. What were you doing on TikTok? Because I told you, I'm not on it.

And where do you, where do you? Oh, when, when. people were commenting on yours like queen like fuck harry you were like liking it and shit like that or was there more that so i made it there was a tic-tok and it was like one girl's with a university degree cry over girls with a birth certificate and i like duetted it and i was just like giggling but i mean it was it was shady but i just thought it was funny and then yeah people would leave comments and i would comment back and it wasn't maybe the most mature thing to do but considering like from the two weeks before I released the breakup video so

to now so two months he has spoken one word to me what one paragraph and it was basically a paragraph it was a threat so when he says like oh I'm I like he's talking to the camera being like oh like I still love you like I just want to make sure you're okay like someone give her a hug like he was saying that that's like I don't know where I don't even know where that came from because if what what I was being told and the accusations that were coming forward to me were false then I would have been reached out to and been like those are false what are you doing why are you saying that like it's not true but that was not the case I was not him and I he spoken literally he sent me one paragraph in the past two months and it was basically

threatening me with a 25 minute video of of things that he had bad to say about me if I spoke out basically before the breakout of video that you made which is on your YouTube right where you are kind of talking about your breakup you broke up like you both decided this is over together so we it was more of a break it wasn't a breakup like he he would say he didn't want to be with me but then he would be sending me photos of memes of us together and like the wedding pictures and he would say, I miss you, and we would be sending each other nudes and talking every day and talking about how it was, I was going to move there soon. So it wasn't, like, we were, we were on

a break a little bit, but it wasn't like. And were you on a break because you weren't getting along, like you were kind of fighting? Or was it because you were saying that people were sending you things? Did you feel like you couldn't trust him? Like he was. I didn't know that people didn't start sending me things until after. So it was more, it was more. It was more. more like two weeks before I posted the breakup video is when I started to get sent things. And before that, so he spoke about how we filmed like a lighthearted breakup video about how we were just like kind of giggling. And we did when I was in L.A.

We filmed something. We were laughing. We were giggling. We were like, oh, we just had sex. Like, we're just not working. Like we were joking around. But at that time, in my mind, we were 100% going to get back together. It was just a little bit of a tith that we were having.

He didn't want to do long distance. In my head, he just wanted to be a little bit of single. He just had all this attention. He wanted to hook up with girls, whatever. And before I knew anything, this is before I knew details about the Madison situation. This is before I knew what he was doing behind my back. This is before I knew that basically the entire relationship was a lie on his end. But why, Francesca, I don't think that's true.

How would it be a lie? If he met you on the show, he didn't know of you before the show. So on the show, could he have known that you, like, have Instagram followers and, like, like, how you're saying after the show, he was like, wait, let me ride this out. It'll be, you know, because of the show we're together, it'll give us. You think, like, after the show, he was, like, calculated about it? So he said in an interview that he went on the show knowing that he was going to do anything he could to become famous. So he said that he planned everything that he was going to do and he was going to say with his roommate, they planned it. So after I listened to that, I was like, okay, like, it was just a...

What does that even mean? I don't really know, but it just makes me believe in my opinion that none of it was real. So I don't know. And the actions that have happened like this past week have kind of proved to me, like... So if you look at Harry right now on Google, it says threatens legal actions. against ex-Franchesca for damaging his brand. He damaged his own brand. What does that mean?

What brand does he have? Is he said like the Harry brand? I think that that means that I am the reason that he has lost some Instagram followers. Oh, wait. Harry took to the press and said he stayed with Francesca for Cloud. He did. So he's saying that now? All I know is that everyone from the cast has lost followers,

everyone after a reality show on The Bachelor, no matter what it is, you lose followers. Things that are happening to him have nothing to do with me. Okay, so what Francesca is saying, you guys, sorry, Frankie. He claims to have lost 200,000 Instagram followers since their breakup. I can't, no, this is funny. I'm sorry. I know it's, it's, he, you should be happy or not with him

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order. That's a lot. That's nativedeo.com slash not skinny or use promo code not skinny a checkout for 20% off your first order. He says, I can't believe it. It's damaging my brand. He blames his loss of followers on Francesca's reaction to the breakup on social media. Oh my God. Like vomiting. Yeah. Francesca, that's gross. Like, he's disgusting. Yeah, I don't know. It's, it's, you should know this is embarrassing for a dude, for anyone to talk about social media like that, to talk about like followers, like, ew. Yeah.

Especially because it's like not accurate information. It has nothing to do with what I've done. It has to do with people followed our relationship. And when we broke up, they didn't care about you anymore. And the way you've been talking about women. and me in general over this past week especially has been extremely degrading and extremely disgusting and people can see right through it. So it has nothing to do with me. We haven't spoken. So it's literally everything you've been doing to yourself and your own image and it's what you're doing

and it's nothing to do with me. I'm not telling anyone to attack you. I'm not telling anyone to attack your family. That is the last thing I would do. I'm one of the nicest people. I would never do that. But also why is he talking? You said the breakup video you put up two months ago, right? And it was extremely nice considering I remember I remember there was two versions one version was like 20 minutes and I was like no I'm going to do the nice version I'm not going to drag his name I'm going to be respectful and that's what I did and it's not my fault that people can people aren't blind people can see what I see but what why did he wake up after two months and is now doing this I don't get it because to stay in my opinion to stay relevant oh yeah see I need to

be less naive. Yeah. You needed to, I don't really know. Two months later, you made the video two months ago. Since then, yes, have you been in the press, a hundo? Have we seen you with Tanna, a little bit of Vinny, a little bit of this new model chick we'll talk about? But like I said, even when you came on my show, like a few weeks ago, I even from your publicist, like, we knew we weren't going to talk about Harry.

Like, that was one of the things. Like, we didn't talk about the breakup at all. So that just goes to show you guys. This is real coming for me. I knew we weren't going to talk about Harry. So that's so weird that his now, like him dragging you now has to do not with anything like new that you did. But with the breakup video where you were like obviously like upset. And if I remember it like you didn't say much, you were kind of like, oh my God, like this happened.

I thought I was extremely respectful And I've continued to be respectful And it's not up to me It's not my fault that people can see through it And people have decided that he's not worth following anymore It's like literally not me like I've been What content does he think he's providing He's pissing me off now

Like Harry I told you last time And this is another thing If you guys didn't listen to our last episode Remember I was like That I didn't get what you were so obsessed with him about like on the show, you were like, I fell in love with him. And I was like, can I ask like, what made you fall so hard?

And you even said something like, he's really tall. You were like, he's really tall. But obviously, I mean, listen, we don't see everything on reality TV. It could be that he has a charming personality and he's charismatic and, and, oh, okay, I found him. He didn't block me. Oh, 3.9 million isn't enough for you, Harry. Grow the fuck up. I'm pissed now.

You know I'm nine months pregnant. This is pissing me off that he's crying about 200K. That factor alone, I think, is like kind of disturbing enough. But I feel like just the need to do like six or seven interviews just like completely talking about how he was like clapping my cheeks and he was in like. What does that mean? Wait, he was talking sexual stuff. Yeah. It was like it was extremely.

He did a podcast, and they were just, the way they were talking about women in general, it's like, I don't know how they thought that that was okay. Like, I would never have even spoke anything about it until, because of the events that have taken place the past week, I feel it is like my duty as a human to just kind of speak out about it because everything that's been happening has been so like disturbing and degrading and every single like level and aspect that I'm just like, I don't think that it's okay. just needs to be addressed and also he's talking about your sex life he basically was saying that he was like clapping my cheeks and in my guts and what does that mean in your guts i don't know what does that mean like in my guts like up so far in yeah francesca it's just okay like it's just what podcast was he on that he like who's who i'm so confused logan paul was like an hour just like trashing me basically. Wait, doesn't Logan Paul run in the same circle as Tanna? I called her and I asked her about it and I was like, do you, like, what do you think I should do about this? And she was like,

I think Logan's an amazing person and I think that he just had him on there and he was probably laughing along with it, but he's not like that. And he doesn't, he doesn't act like that. So I don't know. I don't know him personally. But I know that the podcast was really disgusting. So what's his deal aside from that's really gross because he should be respectful of you and your intimate time together. I mean, just like in women in general, like you saying something like that on a podcast with like that's going to get like five million views. Women are going to watch that and just think like that's that's not a way you should be speaking about someone that you apparently loved. Like I would, I just he said on the Logan Paul podcast, what was he holding on to from the past?

that he says that he couldn't get over when you got back together? I personally think that he was bringing up anything he could to justify why he ended it with me. But everyone knows at the end of the day that in my opinion he ended it with me because he was only with me

or I hate the word clout, but clout. And he wanted to be single and do his own thing and I wasn't important. So that's my beliefs. But then why be nasty? Okay, let's say he does that, right? Let's say he used you and was like, if I stay with her, I'll get more followers, I'll be famous, whatever. Why be nasty to you?

Like, what is, how does he justify to himself being nasty to you? Like, does he think you did shit? Does he think you cheated on him? Does he think? He knows I never cheated on him. So what could he? possibly be mad at you about that he's like being nasty? Because he knew if if we remained civil after the breakup, I feel like it would have been better for his image. But because maybe like I alluded

to some mistreatment. And I think that's what did it. And I have like an army of I love them fan accounts. And they were researching and they were digging and they would find information and they would post it. And he thought that I was sending him hate and doing all this stuff. But at the end of the day, it had nothing to do with me. It had everything to do with the way he was acting and the way that people were watching that after the breakup. And that's what people were following. And that's why people unfollowed. Okay. So we're getting we're getting in the bottom of it. He's really angry because he thinks that you, even though you didn't directly say or do anything, that you kind of were insinuating that he, you know, was an asshole and all the shit and you have people that support you and he thinks that's why he lost a bunch of followers and his brand because you made it seem like he was a dick. Yeah, I guess. That would be the lighthearted way to describe it. But you, but that's what I'm trying to say.

Like you, you're saying TikTok comments and, and you said something like that that you would like certain stuff or comment certain stuff, but you didn't direct. even today, Francesca, you didn't directly even say what he did and why is an asshole. Yeah. And are you gonna?

Well, because he, like, the threats and the lawsuits kind of to tear me from anything, like, just. I don't think that's like a possible thing. I don't think someone can sue you for like. Telling the truth. No.

Yeah. But, I mean, he's different. he's you can sue him for fucking defamation now i don't know more than yeah because yeah my lawyers are because everything that's been said about me this past week has been like a complete fabrication so i just think that he's just grasping onto anything he can things were you having a tough week because of it or are you like just pissed i feel like i'm the type of person to not really get angry and more to just get like kind of disappointed and like add a little bit but like it takes a lot for me to get angry and I was never really angry I was more of like just disturbed I think of the

things because he was coming at me for saying mistruths but everything that I was being told this week that he was saying has been like completely misleading and an over-exaggeration and maybe I like once this lawyer stuff is more like concrete and I have to. have like everything that I'm able to say I can like make a video and do like day by day by day of everything that happened but like that is the last thing I want to do and if I wanted to do that I would have done that months ago and if I wanted to ruin his brand I could like it's not I could but I don't believe in cancel culture and I think karma is going to get you anyways and that's what's happening now like I don't even really need to say anything and he's doing it to

himself by saying he's in guts by suing me from losing followers like you're doing it to yourself at this point. So I don't even need to really. Did you text him about it or are you blocked or? No, I don't. As I said before, yeah, the only contact we've had is him text messaging me a threat being like if you say anything about me. I'm going to release a 25 minute video I have of me just talking shit about you. Does that scare you at all that he has something on you? I don't know. It's kind of freaky. Like did he ever film you? I don't know. It freaks me out. Since the day I met him, I was so honest with him about every single like all my ex-boyfriends. Like, and He was saying in an interview that I was like bragging about people that I've been with.

And I was like, no, I'm telling you because I'm honest with you. And because I, some of these people are still in my life and I would rather you be in the loop and no, as opposed to you either figure it out or think I'm being sketchy about a situation. So I was always super, super, super honest with him. And I think that was my initial mistake because he held everything I did again. Like when I was in Vegas, yeah, my ex is a DJ. So, like, I wasn't, he didn't fly me there. I didn't go to see him. And that was not what happened at all.

And he, like, twisted it to make it seem like that was the case. But anyone who knows me, and I feel like anyone who can see me online knows that, like, I'm not a shady person and I'm not sketchy and I'm not a cheater. And I wouldn't act that way to someone that I was in love with. So why does he say, I've been nothing but nice to her and regarding the reason why we broke up because of stuff she did. I read that. What does that mean?

I don't really know because he blames the first breakup on me saying that I wouldn't fly. But that that story was completely butched up and moved around and changed and it wasn't what actually happened. And when we were still together, I went to Australia to see him. I got back. And then a few days after I got back, he was asking me to come to Bali because he was going through some family problems. I told me, I just got back. It wasn't really appropriate for me to go to Bali. But meanwhile, while this was happening, he forgot to leave out that he was messaging multiple other girls while we were together trying to get them to go to Bali with him.

So he left that out completely saying, I wasn't there for him. But meanwhile, you were trying to get other girls to go on the trip with you. So it was completely misleading. Like everything he said, and he said that I posted a video of me kissing someone the day we broke up. No, that's not what happened. My best guy friend, who's been my best friend for years now, I posted a Snapchat. story and he kissed me on the cheek and we were drinking that was it he's just a friend he's always been just a friend and harry knows that and he made it seem like i was making out with people

on my story to piss him off the day we broke up and that wasn't the case so everything he said was completely twisted and but he knows that like he knows when he's saying it that it's not true so that's what i don't get why he's saying it because i could just come out with the truth you know because that's well he's saying he's saying that you weren't there for him during the worst week of his life he finished filming the show his mom fell off a horse and broke her knee and ribs he had to fly back to australia and then within that and within a week of that there was a death in his family and a close friend suicide attempt and he said i was asking my girlfriend i need you to be here for me so and that you were oh that's when you were in Vegas with an ex he said

i flew to australia and i was there for two weeks and after this when his mom yeah i was mom was with him and his mom for that for two weeks i was i was there with him and i flew home and a few days after i got home he was like there there was a death in his family but it wasn't it's really hard for me to speak on this because i don't want to i don't want to speak on this because i don't want to make him look really bad by speaking on this so i'm okay i'm not going to speak on this but that was completely twisted and obviously if there was something that happened I would have been there but that it's kind of confusing to explain that I don't want to get into it but so you were there he's saying that you weren't there from and you're saying I was there but he's saying you were in Vegas with the ex that you're saying is a DJ and you weren't even there with him you were just in Vegas and he happened to be DJing the day that I got back from Australia I worked at a music festival and then I flew to Vegas the next day and then I was in Vegas the next day with my girlfriends yes I went into a DJ booth my ex-boy from was DJing but I was talking to Harry the entire time I was calling the entire time and a few days

later is when he asked me to go to Bali with him but I couldn't it didn't make sense for me to fly 12 and he was just going on a vacation with his friends and I just couldn't go but meanwhile while he was while all this stuff was happening he was messaging all these other girls inviting him to go so and that girls told you like you found out yeah one of them was Madison wait so after sorry after all this family stuff and he's going through the hard time and he flew to Bali to like have a vacation and you didn't come to that okay he also believes he helped make Francesca famous by dating her do with that statement what you what you will honestly like I don't even know she wouldn't be anywhere as big without me he said I would take half the

amount of followers and none of this bullshit. I don't care about it like he does. And I think it's really apparent. So you, so just to be clear, like, we're not going to go into the details of what happened in this family. His mom got hurt, but she's okay, right? Like, she's okay now. When I was in Australia, she was fine.

She was riding horses. She was, I loved his mom. Like, we were getting along so well. Like, she was completely and basically where I could tell, like, perfect health. like she was like so the mom had a little accident a friend attempted suicide but but is also okay i really want to that sounds heavy it's like i don't know like it's touchy i just don't know how like genuinely close with these people i don't know it's kind of like but why would he say that he's so hurt from you about that week like it looks like that's what he's making it sound like

after that week he just couldn't look past you not being there for him and that's why you couldn't get back together that's what it seems like he's saying i feel like he was just clinging onto anything and everything he could fabricate a story about to make me look like the bad guy that's what i think because my version of that story is completely different and i could never say it publicly because it would make him look bad it would at the end of the day i think people can see through what information is truthful and what's not and I think he was just grasping at anything to turn the tables and make it look like it was the breakup was my fault but are you getting any like does he have like I mean obviously he has a lot of followers does he have like

stands the way you do like does he have people that are like obsessed with him that are coming for you are you getting any like hate messages I don't I haven't seen anything oh really Like, I know there's fan accounts, but I, I don't like, I don't know if they've reached out. I don't really see, but I don't know. Because I don't like, at the end of the day, like, I really haven't done anything to. Yeah, because we're saying since the breakup video, aside from, wait, let's, aside from you publicly being seen with other people that he can get pissed off about that, but he can't, obviously. I mean, he can't be mad at it. Because he was with other people throughout her relationship.

Oh, it's like, he's mad at me for moving on, but, bro, you've moved on the minute the camera stopped. So this is, it's a while. So again, I asked you before, like, because you seem, last time we talked, you were like, I mean, this is before Harry. Last time we talked was before this press tour he's doing. Yeah, it was before. right so you were still maybe feeling things or or still but now it seems like you're like you said disappointed and kind of like hurt but before before when we spoke I was still extremely distraught but I feel like the thing that was hardest for me then was accepting the fact that

I thought I was going to marry someone who had no interest in marrying me and I was just very blindsided and played that's what was the hardest part about it but now the fact that he's going around being degrading and saying malicious lies and trying to flip the script and make me seem like the bad person is why it felt me that I need to speak up and I kind of explain a little bit of not my side of the situation but like more of just like the truth and in my opinion what I think is what happened and well harry let me give you a tip if you ever this ever gets to harry if you don't want to to look like the asshole. Don't look like the asshole. Don't talk about the sexual relationship

you had with your ex-girlfriend. Don't talk about that you dated her just to get famous. Don't talk about you making her famous. It's like all those things that he's saying out of his mouth, not shit that you're saying, is going to make him lose 200,000 more followers. Do you know what I mean? Like, he's doing it to himself. So for anyone that wants to see like what he's so mad about, go check out the break of video that Francesca has on her YouTube, but can you give us a little, like, quick summary of what's in that video? Yeah, I basically just explained that he broke up with me due to distance and how I was kind of misleaded a little bit and I was really emotional about it

because I thought that him and I were going to end up together. And that's just obviously not what he was thinking. And I was basically it. Like, I kept it, I tried to keep it as lighthearted as I could. Yeah. I don't remember it being, to watch it again. But I don't remember it being, like, dramatic. Like, it wasn't.

I cut all that out because I, that's just not who I am. And I would never, like, publicly be malicious to anyone because it's just literally not who I am. Like, someone could be so mean to me and I still wouldn't go out of my way to do things. But I think it's to the point now where the things that have happened in this past week has just been, like, like, gut-wrenching, honestly. to see so so what would you want to like tell him if you could like what what would you want him to know no karma's a bitch like i don't even need to i could literally not say one word for the rest of my life and he would still people would still see that his true colors i think i don't need to say anything he's just showing it himself like it doesn't bring you joy

the i can't even you guys this is the thing it's real like he's actually going around crying about his 200k followers, which, like, if you're at millions, like, you know, it's like everything's relative, you know, if you're at millions and people are less interested in you, you'll lose 100,000. If you're at, you know, tens of thousands, you'll lose a thousand. Like, I don't even, I mean, it's just so, I mean, obviously social media plays a big part in probably the career that he wants and everything. But it is just so lame. to be talking about it like that. So karma's a bitch you'd want him to know.

Would you want him to know anything else? Like, what are your kind of final feelings on everything that's been going on? I don't even think I would have anything to say to him. He knows. He knows what he's doing. He knows what he's saying. He knows what he's saying. He knows the mistruth and he knows the truth.

And he knows what he did. So I wouldn't even need to say. I don't I can't even imagine seeing his face like I but Francesca you're so close to seeing his face like you guys hang out with like the same people and you live in the same town no we've like missed each other at restaurants like by like 10 minutes before I've been told so I just couldn't I don't I couldn't be able to handle it like it like it's really unfortunate and it's extremely sad because I was so invested in this person and then I was so invested in this relationship and our future together and to for it to get to this point. is just sad. Like, that's the only thing to describe it. Like, I'm disappointing, sad. Yeah, because if you broke up, let's say, because he's 22 and, you know, you left the show,

he wants to, you know, be single and he's not, because we did talk about last time that you are, like, wanting to, like, commit being in a relationship, get married, have babies. Like, that is your vibe. Yeah. Even though it may not seem like that on TikTok to some people. But, and he, like, it wouldn't not make sense

for a 22-year-old coming out of a reality show on Netflix to be like, hold up. Yeah. Could you imagine, like, a situation where you broke up, like, amicably and you were, like, friendly? Or do you feel like your relationship was so tumultuous that there was no way that was going to happen? It could have been amicable if certain things didn't happen. There she goes again, being cryptic. yeah if it was like the periods the period like between like the reunion show and the breakup video that originally made it so it couldn't have been amicable and then there was stuff that

I was like I kept finding out after because you know like you know when you're with someone even in high school university and you're dating them and then you break up and then all your all people that knew stuff about what he was doing flood to you and they're like oh by the way that's basically what happened so wait when he did that ring pop bullshit on the reunion like you like you bought that that like that just means you were in love with him if you you weren't like you were you were into it everyone could see that I was in love with him yeah yeah and he would always like yeah I know I'm young but like when it's when you're the one you're the one like I know what I want like I'm ready for this low look this is all the lies that I was being fed in my opinion lies in my opinion I mean

again in your opinion lies but he's not doing himself much justice by going around now you know he could have been saying now i was very much in love with her and you know but he's he's talking if he straight up came out and was like everyone look i'm 22 i really want to be famous i wasn't not looking for that type of relationship right now i want to be single i want to hook up with hot bitches theoretically maybe not say that but i'm not in looking for that that type of relationship that's what I thought. If that was the case and if that was explained to me in that kind of sense, maybe things would have gone differently. Maybe there could have been a friendship there. Maybe there could have been some respect, but there was no respect. Yeah. So just a lot of manipulation,

a lot of lies or these truths. So you're not going to put out anything aside from obviously what we're talking about today, but you're not going to reach out to him. Like you're not going to, like how do you even answer that really? Like, sorry? No, I did. make you lose followers and like a i think he's just threatening i feel like he's not going to pursue but a i don't think you should have the same manager that's like conflict of interest city over here i think all the comments on the videos or the posts in regards to the the lawsuit are kind of just like being like is this a joke like what is going on i feel like people can People aren't taking it seriously.

People can kind of see that it's kind of like, it's just a, it's not, it's not a joke. It's happening, but it's a joke. Like. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he also put out a YouTube video titled, if I'm not mistaken, I broke up with her. Rude. Bro, rude.

When did he, was that before your video or was it after your video? probably filmed that the day after mine came out and was it i didn't watch it was it did you watch it no i i saw clips and he was basically just saying that he felt a love with me in february and um he was an emotional distress and he couldn't stay with me because it was emotionally damaging to him or something like that i don't know it's not the case because i'm not an emotionally damaging person And like, it doesn't really make sense that he, but at the end of the day, he had to pick a route to go, you know. Yeah. Like he, I didn't obviously tell the truth.

So he had to decide of, okay, how am I going to play this? So that's how he decided to quit. For your next relationship, and I do want to, like, for the few minutes we have love, do talk about a little bit of what's going on with you now. But for your next relationship, would you want to date someone who would make, like, your, you're, you were like an influencer before the show. So you were had an Instagram brand. You went up a lot of followers, but that's what you were doing before. And you were making money off of it. For like Harry, it seems to be like a new thing. Right. Yeah. What I'm saying is for you to when you, your next relationship in your mind when you envision it, do you want to meet someone who would make a video on YouTube being like, I broke up with her? Or would you want someone disconnected from. that world doesn't have a TikTok like would not even watch your videos on YouTube like are you yearning for something different a little bit um I think for my next relationship I the because it's hard because that would obviously be super ideal to meet someone who's disconnected from the social

media world but the person also needs to be able to understand it and kind of because if they don't understand it it could kind of be overwhelming for them so ideally like it can can't be someone who's, like, obsessed with posting and posting stories and anything like that. So it can't be Tanna. Your faces when you don't want to answer something. No, I'm just asking. It's because, okay, when we talked last time, your TikTok videos with Tana were just kind of happening. They were super sexual and sexy.

Are you just friends? You said then that you're, like, testing, you're kind of dating. Right now we're kind of working on, like, hanging out in, like, a normal setting. because we've been like, you know, partying a lot. Well, not partying, but like drinking together a lot. So we're going to hang out like and just like be wholesome. I think we're going to start with that. But yeah, ideally it would be someone who doesn't have a YouTube

or wouldn't feel the need to post anything like that. But they would also need to be in the world to I kind of understand my situation. So the model chick. Who's the model chick that you made out with? Casey. how did that happen and how was it like caught so beautifully candidly on camera i could we like we saw we saw them there so we were just like oh you saw the oh there were cameras there like they gave them they get pretty in your face the cameras so

wait so casey boonstra did you meet her before like did you go on a date that night what what happened Yeah, we have mutual friends, and I've known her for a little bit, but I feel like when we were, when I was like going through the breakup, she was really there for me. So Francesco was seen with a model Casey Boonstra a couple weeks ago. You said you saw a camera, so you gave them a little smoochereo, but was it like a date where you just hang out? Are you friends? Yeah, so we have a lot of mutual friends. We've been kind of friends for a little bit now. I think she's amazing.

And when she kind of saw me going through the breakup and she saw like everything I was going through with everything, we kind of like leaned on each other. And she was really there for me. And I was telling her, like, oh, I'm kind of like interested in girls now. And then we kind of just like, you know, like hung out a bit like that. But she's gone this week. So when she gets back, maybe we'll go on the day. We'll see. I'm just kind of like having fun, like testing the waters, like seeing what I want, don't want.

And Vinny's in New York. So right. I remember. So last time we talked, you said that you and Vinny. were kind of flirting on Instagram but never met and then boop like two days after my our first podcast came out you were hanging out with him in New York how do I get there we don't know we don't know we don't know how did that happen yeah we were just we just thought we needed to me and he's great like you like him I don't know if it's gonna turn out to be just friendship or if it's going to turn

out to be more than that obviously due to COVID like there's two week quarantine so he's there I'm here. Even though, even though, Francesca, COVID and you're smooching, Casey, Boone, whatever, you're like not afraid or something.

I get tested every single week. But aren't you scared about yourself? What if they're not getting tested? I'm more scared of spreading it. That's why I keep getting tested just to be safe. So did you smooch Vinny or no? I don't kiss and so. Wait, where did you?

you meet up even because I live in New York and I couldn't tell like where you were because it looked like you were sitting someplace like you can't sit inside but where where'd you meet up with them that that photograph was taken at a restaurant I think it was called tau I'm not sure or Label or Tao one of those two well both of those exist yeah but not inside outside now yeah they had like sidewalks eating oh they did and then it started to pour rain on us. It was, it was really cute. So you're into him? I think him and I will always have this weird, strange vibe situation, but is it friendship? Is it more than that? Only time will tell. I feel like, I feel like for, for you, I would want someone, like I said, not thirsty at all.

I don't, like no thirst. I don't. No, I'm not saying Vinny is thirsty. Well, I mean, he's not not not not. Yeah, he's not not, but he's not not. He's not not. He's not not. not like a dude, you know, that's like, what is social media? I don't care. Like, no. But I feel like I would want to see with someone who has their own thing. It's like maybe an entrepreneur, like that,

you know, again, wouldn't put up a video of, I broke up with her, like a five-year-old. Yeah. We don't want that. We don't want that anymore.

Francesca, thank you so much for coming on. coming on my show again to talk a little bit about what's been going on. It's an honor. Well, I think you're amazing. So I'm glad we got to chat. And I just really like you. We need to talk again.

This is going to be great. I know. I love talking to you. And I think I don't know if I told you this. Our last podcast, like the response was amazing. People love you. There are people that knew you were great before. There are people that are like, wow, like she's so sweet.

And I think it's important for people to see that. side of you too for people that just watched the show and and don't know you as well and i'm sorry you're going through this and i said this last time i was like i'm sorry you're going through this and i wish this breakup wasn't you know messy and annoying and this is again before it got it got even more messy and annoying yeah so live your life thank you j my day my day and fuck him hopefully he's hopefully nothing else new comes up because that would suck something else i have to Hopefully this blows over, you know, and he, he lays in the bed, which he made for himself, which is what he's doing. Yeah, exactly.

Well, thanks, babe. Everyone, go check out everything Francesca's up to. And your new swim, swim, you have your swim thing out. You're working on new shit. Oh, you know what we didn't talk about, which, like, I need to touch on. Sorry. Okay. Right. You, after we spoke, you were going to Dallas or something for this new venture that we're going to see soon, hanging out with, wait for it, everyone, wait for it. Tiger Kings, Dylan, who's married to Joe. Exotic, yeah. Exotic. And naturally, you're just like, oh, you didn't say anything. You didn't, whatever. All of a sudden, he was like in your stories. You were at dinner with him. How is he related to your life?

So we have the same manager. I think we need to switch managers. I can cut this out, but I feel like we need to switch managers. Yeah, Harry met Dylan on Instagram. And I think Harry then introduced Dylan to our manager. And then they did like a little press thing with Love is Blindcast in Atlanta. But I didn't feel it was safe enough to go to meet up with a bunch of people. So I ended up just doing Dallas instead.

We ended up being a smaller group anyways. but so yeah we did Dallas and then he came to Dallas and we just met I love Dylan he's amazing he's like he's such a sweetheart and he's so much fun so yeah so random it's your life yeah so random and like Dave from Love is Blind was there and he's great too and David Damien from Love is Blind oh is he and he was with Gianina I just feel like like the Netflix like Love is Blind the Circle Tiger King do what to handle it? Oh, because it's Netflix. I feel like we're just bonded.

Like, there's a weird, like, I just met a guy from the circle, and I don't even really know him that well, but I feel like we're bonded because we were all, like, COVID Netflix shows, and we're just like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're a bond that we're going to have because, like, did you watch any of the shows? Yeah, I watched all of them.

You did? Yeah, I'm massive fans of all of them. I love everyone on the cast. Are you watching Selling Sunset? No. No, but a girl from that show is reaching out to me and wants to go to London. I know who. Yeah.

Christine Fo Show. Yeah, she seems nice. I just had her on the podcast yesterday. She's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. No, she's so cool. But then that's why, because right when we were podcasting or before, when I was, like, going through her Instagram, I saw my eyes.

You know, they see things. But she's married Francesca, so, you know, pause off. No, that's just friendship there. I feel like you would like each other. okay cool well watch the show too because it's a really good Netflix one okay well thank you again for coming on my show and talking to me well thank you for having me I really appreciate it and I'm glad I feel like a lot better after this conversation I feel like a little bit of like a weight has been lifted because like I think about in my head like how I'm gonna what I'm going to say and how I'm

going to address situations and I just feel I know you're very cautious like people need to know and he needs to know, like, how it feels, you know, interviewing you and meeting you then and now, like, you're, you're careful about what you say. It's obviously that you don't want to hurt and, and you don't want to drag. So I don't know where he's fucking getting his ideas from. Anyway, team Frankie, what's up? Thank you guys for listening. Thank you, Frankie. Thank you. And we'll talk soon. And you let me know what is up with you. Okay. I'm, I will be messaging you right when. Okay. Bye. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcasts and write a little review.

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