Not Skinny But Not Fat - #FreeBritney Deep Dive (part 2) w/ Jared Lipscomb

Episode Date: February 16, 2021

A LOT has happened since our first #FreeBritney deep dive episode. Most importantly, the New York Times documentary “Framing Britney Spears,” that premiered on February 5th, and has caused the entire world to be talking about our girl Brit, under the control of her evil dad. Jared Lipscomb, celebrity makeup artist by day, and #FreeBritney front liner by night,  joins me to discuss the doc, as well as the latest court decision, and  he even shares his own run in with Britney’s infamous paparazzo from the documentary!    Sponsors: Green Chef: Use code 90NOTSKINNY for $90 off and free shipping! SoulCycle: Work out at home with the Variis app powered by Equinox! Use code NOTSKINNY at mysoulcyclebike.com/notskinny for a free pair of cycling shoes! Woo: Use code NOTSKINNY20 or head to woomoreplay.com/discount/notskinny for 20% off! Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is not skinny but not fat, and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps, and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is not skinny but not fat. that as freaking promised we are delivering Jared lips poem and I the brittany fans and we're on the front lines of our homes just petitioning and mostly just our souls and hearts are with Britney we love her so much Jared has a shrine in his house he is he literally like when I invited Jared on he um for those of you don't know, Jared, he's also the makeup artist, a celebrity makeup artist who does

Vanderpump for rules, girls, and he is just an amazing, amazing human. And he also loves Britney and knows so much. And literally, like, you're going to be quoted in, like, the next documentary. Like, on the, it's going to be like, on the Nutscannyman on Fad podcast, Jared Lipscomb, like, Britney obsessionaire. Yes, the unofficial, official word on all things, Britney. No, because you literally, I feel like it's such a, like, even today, we're, today is Thursday, February 11th. There was another hearing. And I'm like reading the article of like what went down. And it's just so much.

There's so much and so much legal jargon and so much that happened and so much. You posted the other day like, you know, we're so late on this. It's like, oh, good morning, America. like she's been under this conservatorship for 12 years and then quarantine I think made us wake up and be like hold on what's up with Brittany where have we been we've been sleeping on our babe we have been and it's one of those things like with the news cycle

I mean you saw it with Eleria and you see it with Army Hammer and like the new cycle is picking up stories well the Army Hammer one's a huge one but like they're picking up stories that are just have been kind of like people have been ignoring for a while So it is a mixture of, like, pandemic boredom. I've had a lot of extra time on my hands. And so you just start researching and things become, you know, brought to the forefront that we were not expecting to be brought to the forefront. And the reckoning is happening.

Like, yeah, like deep dives are happening. Like people, I feel like before we were like, oh, yeah, Britney's under conservatorship. Like in her documentary, which we're going to discuss, which was called framing Britney Spears by the New York Times. It was on FX, but on Hulu, you know, they were talking about things like we were aware of. It's not like we all saw on the record with Brittany and I even have that scene where she's imitating her dad where she's like, hello, you know, and she's walking so cute. And she's like, and I remember watching me being like her and her dad are so cute. Do you know what I mean?

Like I remember watching on the record and be like, she's so cute with her dad. And like, we heard the word conservatorship, but like none of us. let's all fucking admit this knew what it meant yeah cared what it meant or understood the extent of what it means mm-hmm nor did we until today realize like what our brit has been through how hard we the peeps the media she's like the princess die of our time i mean no questions ask, she is. No one else has had that kind of paparazzi invasion and that rise to like beloved status. And then the quick tear down that happens as soon as she becomes beloved. And yeah, no one since Princess Diana in like modern history has been treated like this. Like the swarms.

Like, okay, you'll get like a paparazzi. You know, you'll get like a few fans finding out you're at some event. But Brittany couldn't go to like a gas station. Brittany, even watching the the shaving of the head thing. I'm like, how do they know she's going to be at the fucking random ass salon, you know, like they or like at the gas station that's seen where she's in the car with her cousin with the shaved head. And again, like this documentary was so important on so many levels because watching it. Because even us, right, we've made references like, oh, 2007 when Britney shaved her head,

you know that was a crazy moment we can all relate to it we were crazy we could be crazy a shaving your head is not big of a deal no halsey has a shaved head yeah we don't we don't blink an eye we don't blink an eye at halsey's shaved head and if i would fucking i'm scared to say the things that i would do okay like i don't want to get shadow band or deactivated or whatever on instagram or or brought in for questioning if i went through what you was going through, I'd like, I don't, again, I don't want to say what I do, but it'd be more than an umbrella and a fuck you to a paparato, you know? Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. And we were like, she's so crazy and she shaved her head. How fucking wild. Like, it's not that wild. It's not. I mean, we, it's, it's such a balance of like, it was a different time, but then the documentary did such a good job of putting all the clips together being like, just because it was a different time doesn't make it excusable, you know? So I don't, oh, the whole thing is so triggering

this past week since it all happened. So as someone like you who knows the ins and outs, you told us all on our part one of the deep dive, what did this documentary give you more or were you like, no? There was no new insight for like diehard Britney fans like myself who have been like, you know, I was at the rallies pre-pandemic in spring 2019 when it first started to get traction. But at the time, it was more like fringe. Like, who are these crazy protesters, like protesting Britney Spears?

Like, there's real issues at play. And there are obviously always still real issues in the world, you know, that are affecting huge groups of people. But at the time, it was kind of like, what are these, what are these gays doing, like standing outside, holding signs? So there was nothing revealing in the documentary that was like, oh my gosh, I can't believe, like I never put this part with that part. Nothing like that happened. But what we got to see was like Felicia speaking for

the first time, who's an icon and who's been an icon for Brittany fans for forever. If you were VIP at the piece of me show in Vegas as recently as 2018, she was your tour guide. Yeah, she takes you backstage. You get pictures with her. It was always like a joke like, I spotted fee in the audience and they got a picture with her because you know you would never get a picture with Brittany unless you paid, you know, the thousands of dollars for the two-minute meet and greet, well, the 30-second meet and greet. Yeah, so seeing Felicia speak out and showing those unreleased photos was like the most special part for like a diehard who knows all the ins and outs of the conservatorship. But I think what it did do a good job of is show, A, that we've as a society brought her to that breaking point.

And then it did a really good job of laying out what the conservatorship was to people who are unfamiliar with conservatorships in general. They could have gone a little bit deeper to just to show how much control she's under and how much restraint she's under. Because there are court documents that prove, you know, that she doesn't have access to her social media, which, you know, her social media manager confirmed sometime over the past couple of weeks. You guys, sorry to interrupt, I got to tell you about green chip. Okay. It's the first USDA, organic, certified organic meal kit company. You know meal kit companies. Okay. You know it makes your life easier. You don't have to buy all the ingredients, have everything at your house, have all the spices.

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the crowd I mean she is the crowd serve co-funder and she said I absolutely adore the Britney Spears fan base they're incredible blah blah blah she needs to speak out there have been inaccurate theories about how Brittany's social media operates

and I want to give as much information as I can without violating her privacy. She says, Brittany creates her own posts and writes her own captions for Instagram. She finds the Google images, Pinterest images, quotes, memes, and everything else herself. Nobody is suggesting any of that stuff. She generally edits the videos herself,

blah, blah, blah. So she's saying that it is Brittany. But who is this B anyway? Exactly. So, you know, from the last podcast, I don't like to wallow in the land of conspiracy too much. I mean, you can definitely allude to certain things. But I think what is important is who we're dealing with, which is a social media person from a social media company, which is not

foreign in the celebrity world. What she's leaving out is the fact that she does not know, she thinks the images are coming from Britney Spears's cell phone saying, here, post this and this is my caption. We know now, obviously, that Britney Spears has had limited access to a phone. We know as early as 2018, she was spotted with a flip phone. So the fact that she's, you know, you just have to start to think why it's awfully convenient when we're really starting to question her, the posts that she's making. It's convenient that someone who's got so many NDAs and so many documents that you have to sign to be around her and someone who's kept under such locking key quite literally

is, and her social media manager is all of a sudden allowed to break her silence and speak out on exactly how Brittany's social media is ran. It's just a little suspicious. You know what I mean? Like, you have to wonder, is she on the phone with Britney FaceTiming her? No, she's getting a text message from a number that is from Britney Spears. And she's been given the passwords from Britney Spears. So that could be anyone. She's, but she's hired by Britney's team to do her social media. Exactly. Like, it's a social media company, just like many celebrities utilize. So she has no way of knowing. As far as she's concerned, I believe that she believes what she's saying. I believe she gets sent pictures and captions. And I believe she is told these are coming directly from

Britney's personal line. And I think Cassie is not a liar. I think she is just regurgitating what she's been told is what's happening. And I think she was given permission to speak about it. Because we haven't heard in 12 years, we haven't heard anything about Britney's social media. And then all of a sudden, right when things are starting to get kind of crazy, being like, who's running this account? All of a sudden, she's allowed to speak out and say, it's me, I'm running it. But trust me, Brittany's the one giving me this information. But Jared, if she's a social media manager, then, like, my baby Noah can be a social media manager because it's an awful job that she's doing. What an awful job at social media managing then.

Like, I just want to say one thing conspiratorial and we will get back on facts, but if you are Jamie Spears, you are Britney Spears's dad and you are constantly trying to prove that your daughter is not well enough to manage her own life and to manage her finances, manage her medicine and manage her career and everything about herself, it would be in your best interest to be sure that Britney Spears maintains the appearance of a loony person, whether that just means kind of ditsy on social media, kind of removed, nervous, swaying. Look how unwell she does.

It would be in his best interest for the videos and the images to continue to be loopy because then he can always say, look, she can't even do a video for three minutes. Like she can't be in charge of her own finances. She can barely do her own Instagram. Do you know what I'm saying? Conspiracy, but... I feel you, babe, but at the same time,

then what's up with the captions that people, again, conspiracy theory, we're in that world right now. How did you say it? Conspiratorial. Okay. Good for you.

Then how would we explain that? That she, that apparently there are conspiracies that she's like giving us hints. She's writing shit. Even this week. you know after the documentary like i oh she posted a new thing jill scott it's love oh yeah yeah she posted that there's a new dress there's a green dress yeah yeah um she posted uh something this week she who leaves a trail of glitter has never forgotten then there was something about the super ball

that seemed to be alluding to it's just it's very confusing again because like you're you're saying this and I'm like, okay, I get it. But then I'm like, wait, but if it's not Brittany, then should we not think that there are subliminal messages in her social media if it's not her creating them? You know, I mean, I struggle with that all the time because I'm like, do I comment like, you know, like, we've got your back, Brittany, like, and I want her to see the love or do we comments, you know, like, hey, Cassie, we know this is you. Like, fuck you, Jamie.

Like, it's just so confusing. With the reports, again, this is all here, say this is all sources, so nothing can be confirmed. But we hear things like, you know, the latest news over the past week was like Britney was grounded three weeks in the summer. Did you see that headline that Jamie had in some source released it? And of course, there's no way of proving one way or the other because she's locked down, lock and key. But if that's the case, then it's also fair to say like she could have her phone privileges taken away for a month at a time. And then she could, if she behaves, she could be allowed to say, okay, now you get to get to get back on, you know, Instagram and, and share a post or edit a video. I mean, it's really,

we can spend the whole episode, you know, confused about what exactly is going on. The fact of the matter is we won't know until she's able to speak out. I think this past week, they either got really clever and said, we're going to lean into this documentary and we're going to, we're going to, you know, fuel the fire. Or they, they said, you know, she's clearly at budding heads with her father. And so maybe he's allowed her to have more freedom with her social media and she's able to sneak these posts back past them and get them posted anyways. I mean, I don't know. I go back and forth. Some days I wake up and I'm like, that is not from Britney Spears. Like, there's no way she wrote this caption. Some days I wake up and I see a post. I'm like,

oh my God, that is so Britney. I will say like the Super Bowl teaser where she's like, a lot happened last week, that was very like, she was excited. That was not her nervously shaking, like everyone is asked, but like I promise you the cue card of being like, everyone is asking me what my summer plans are. Everyone is asking me my new. And where she's swaying back and forth. That is not, Brittany did not decide to do that. That's you, no matter what you believe, like you can see as she's looking down reading a cue card, she is not wanting to do that. Those videos make it seem like you know when you know when people are kidnapped and they have to hold up a newspaper to show what day is. Do you know when that happens? That is that for me. It's like, but then why would

you do it? Then it's like, then okay, they're forcing her. They're like, Britney, they're asking, honestly, all they want to know who's, who's your favorite Disney princess? That's what they're asking. And then she's like, it's frozen. That's also, I mean, that was chilling. Remember? she was like frozen is my favorite movie the sister is like kept away in luck you know those moments I'm like okay fuck the 911 on the hat if you flip it upside down zoom in and fucking Photoshop it whatever no but like again the Super Bowl she was like last week she was excited you saw passion in her eyes which we haven't seen in such a long time but again you guys I know I wish we had an answer to this we don't we don't have a freaking it's such a you know you know

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What do you think of his message? He posted on Instagram basically a big, fuck you, to Jamie Spears saying he's an asshole, he's a dick, and he has no respect for him because until he, you know, lets his daughter live a normal happy, healthy life, to me was like, okay, he's on our side, but isn't it weird that he's just now speaking out? But then a lot of people were saying he's feeling supported. So maybe he, so what do you think? Do we trust him? So my hot take is I've never been like a Sam, like, oh my gosh, Sam is the greatest guy. Like he's so, you know, I've never been like that. But my hot take is this. We know, here's the fact. Brittany does not want her dad as her conservator. That is what we know

factually based on court documents that she has told her lawyer and that we've heard for the past 12 years what we learned from the documentary she has never wanted her dad to be the conservator she said at 12 years ago she said i'll do the conservatorship i understand i need to do it to get my children back and to work and to show that i'm a good member of society but please don't make it my dad they obviously snuck in made it her dad and now it's been this lifelong thing and i think that sam is aligning himself with brittany's public very publicly documented wishes so even if he's signed at all these sorts of documents saying he can't speak about brittany spears he can only say good things about brittany he can't speak directly about the conservatorship if you notice his

wording on everything he doesn't say the conservatorship he doesn't say brittany's not doing well he's not focusing on anything he just carefully chose the words jamie is a dick jamie and you guys we'll read it now it's important for people to understand that i have well he says now it's important after the documentary for people to understand that i have zero respect for someone trying to control our relationship not the her life and constantly throwing obstacles our way in my opinion jamie is a total dick i won't be going into details because i've always respected our privacy slash like you'll be bagged but at the same time I didn't come to this country

to not be able to express my opinion and freedom. And he was then caught by TMZ. Yes. And he literally was like, yeah, Jamie's a dick. He's an asshole. And they were like, would you be cool with him? And they were like,

he was like, yeah, if he lets his daughter, you know, live a normal life. So I mean, Sam is running his own social media, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, again it's like right he probably had to find the loophole in which he could speak but he could have found the loopholes before you know what i mean that's true i mean at this point all i can do

factually is give him the benefit of the doubt because he is aligning himself with brittany's number one wish right now because she's not even actively trying to end the conservatorship because she's smarter than that and she's as we i've seen in the documentary she's smarter than what we gave her credit for this whole time. And she knows she can't go from a 13-year conservatorship to freedom in the snap of a finger. So she says, first step, get my corrupt, greedy father out of there like I've never wanted for 12 years.

Sam is aligning himself with that. We will deal with his intentions and his motives with Brittany once Jamie's removed. But right now, if he's aligning himself with his girlfriend of five years also, they've been together for a while now. and, you know, if he's aligning himself with her now publicly, maybe, you know, it could be anything. Maybe an NDA has expired. Maybe he carefully consulted a lawyer and said, if I word it this way, can I speak out? I think it's also interesting. He gave that statement one day after people ran an exclusive statement from him saying, everything's great in our lives. It was a very,

you know, opposite end of the spectrum. His statement to people was just very generic. Me and Brittany are happy. I support her. We love the fans. Thank you so much. And then the next day you have his personal Instagram saying the same thing, but then adding on Jamie's a dick and he's controlling everything. So I think something's happening. Something has happened, whether it's empowerment from this documentary. Who knows? But right now, there's nothing we can do but say, well, he's supporting what Brittany wants. So by default, we should for the meantime, support him in that sense. Because if he can give her a closer step to freedom or to getting what she wants, which is Jamie removed, hey, we'll take it right now. We'll take any victory we can get to get that greedy, corrupt,

you know, father out of her, out of her finances. What is so wild and something that, again, like, we love the facts here, right? We love knowing this is for sure. This is documented. We're not being, you know, kukuriku over here. Like, we're, we're saying what's true. She said, and San Ingram, her lawyer said, said, Britney is afraid of her father and will not work until he's out of the conservatorship. And we saw in the documentary how wild it was when she was supposed to do the Vegas, like the second residency. What was it called? Like Venom.

Domination. Oh, Venom. Yeah. I can already see the review. Amanda does not research before. And she came up on stage. Yeah. And she left.

She just got in the car and left. mind blowing was that and that just shows you like she was like bitch no end of story i'm not doing this shit any longer which like i support her like a she doesn't need to be this is the wild part like you're saying that sam is supporting this is what we know for sure her father was not an active part of her life he was in and out of jobs growing up right we learned not in the documentary for those of us who didn't know. He was like trying to be a chef. Then he was trying to be this.

Like he wasn't very stable in his job. He was an alcoholic. Mm-hmm. He. Then when this happened, took control of her life and you have to think about his motives. Like when I saw probably on the record, I was like, oh my God,

her dad really wants the best for her. You know, even as far as when she canceled her first residency, when she canceled her vaguely, canceled her Vegas residency and she put out the statement that her father is sick and she needs to be with him. Yeah. I'm not even sure we question it so much. Then we're like, oh, because she, you know, she loves her father. And then you're like, oh my God. Like, how was this man who she's not even close? And then again, where's the mom who's just now coming in? Why isn't she trying to, it just literally does sound like a Disney princess movie where the evil father.

is taking control of the daughter's life and it would sound almost impossible like how would an evil father take control of his of his of his you know Disney princess daughter's life but then he did he legit did and like you explained on your first podcast with me and like they said on the new york times to be in a conservatorship you have to be inept like you have to be incapable of doing things, of being a person, of every day. And like on the record where Britney was being her sassy, cute, doing the womanizer freaking video. She was under a conservatorship.

So she's obviously not in a vegetative state having dementia. That is the wild thing here. And I won't forget from our first podcast where you again, you were like, I don't want to be conspiratory. but there could have been some corruption going on in the court for that to happen, for that to be allowed for someone that, like you said in the first podcast, had postpartum depression, was dealing with stuff like that. And it's just wild because, you know, things can't be undone and all the damage that has been done to her.

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Christina Aguilera. My biggest life regret thus far. I love you. I wish I could take back that money and request a refund, find his Venmo and say, that'll be $45 because I was in the very top of the nosebleed section. And I want him to pay me back because fuck Justin Timberlake. Was that the justified tour, you traitor. What was the justified strip tour? And I was a huge Christina Aguilera fan before I became a huge Britney Spears fan. I, you know, you go one of two ways when you're a kid, like in your teens and early, like, you went either the vocalist route or the dancer route.

And I chose the vocalist. And then I quickly, you know, realize Britney is the queen of life. So Justin Timberlake is getting a lot of heat from the documentary. Mm-hmm. But I was thinking the just. justified tour. Was that on purpose to Brittany? I mean, sorry, the justified strip tour. Was that also, do you think could dig it, Brittany, that he did a tour with Christina Aguilera, her, her at least, you know, media or socially known as like nemesis? Yeah. I mean, I think it definitely was. I think it was strong marketing from the both of them trying to launch their careers as like really solo artists like transformed.

because you know before that christina was genie in a bottle and before that he was in sync so i think was both them doing that for sure but also at the show i went to it was right after the madonna m tv kiss and i remember christina before because they shared this they didn't share the stage they came one after the other and they would alternate who went first so christina went first and she said like before you know before her last encore she's like okay justin's coming out next but i have to say i'm mad at him for stealing my kiss from madonna because it went to him you know like because the camera panned to him when she, when Christina kissed Madonna. So I don't know.

I think they were playing it up. I think it's kind of like a moot point. I think everything that Justin's done has been horrible and used Britney very obviously for clout and for her to be taken serious. Christina's involvement, I don't know if she really cared or knew what she was doing besides trying to be like, look how dirty I am. You know, I'm a vocalist. I'm different from the pop girls.

So I don't know, you know. So do we think, I mean, Britney was 20 fucking, what? 18. How old was she when she dated him? Oh my gosh. I mean, they had to be broken up before she was even 21. Yeah, I think they broke up when she was 21. I think probably from when she was 18.

And I remember, I mean, the Crimea River video, which is so funny because I just found out this girl on Instagram that used to follow Lauren Hastings, her name is. She's a model. She played Britney in the video. It was, I mean, how I would want to go into baby Amanda's brain watching that video being like, oh my God, it's Britney. Oh, my God. It's not. Because he chose a Britney lookalike. He had her cap down. So we wouldn't even be mistaken for half a second. It was a revenge sex in the face of his ex. And I remember the rumors about her cheating. But only now when this all came up, everyone's like, oh, yeah, it was Wade Robson, which I used to love because all the moves that I know and love, like the choreography, Britney's choreography that I used to dance to and know it all by heart, dream within a dream tour. I can like do it with just the music. That's Wade Robson. Like, he's amazing. I literally didn't know that he was supposedly the cause of their breakup. Was that ever confirmed by anyone? I think it was just one of those like tabloid

cycle rumors and I don't think it was ever confirmed. I don't think he's confirmed it. I mean, people are now saying like it's confirmed it was Wade Robson but I don't think I any I don't think any party has spoken put you then said like yes it was me it was because of me I don't think anyone has publicly done that but then of course you see the other side of the flip side which was like Justin was allegedly cheating before any of this went down so it's just like dude like why are we so obsessed with what Brittany did after you cheated on her if and again that's once again hearsay but and also they were kids You know what I mean?

And also they were kids. And, you know, the, the, what, what everyone's saying is that she cheated on him with Wade Robson on one of her tours and that he left a note for Brittany that Justin saw and found out. But then people are saying, wait, Justin is a huge cheater and cheated on her with Jenna Dewan before. And by the way, I have an inside source, a Hollywood inside source that says that Justin Timberlake is a huge cheater face. in general, that he's cheated on Jessica Beal, even before we saw him with, um, the girl that he was filming a movie with and he got hands. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And they buried that PR buried that story. Right. And then he had a, uh, secret baby and everything. But I, I mean, it's again, one of those things like, we let it slide. Like, I was like, oh, Crimea river. Oh, this, all that. And then Justin Timber, like, was so wholesome to me for so many years.

You know what I mean? And then this comes up and I'm like. I hate him. So, of course, he was a kid, too. But at the end of the day, actions have consequences. And those actions of him playing the like, I'm hurt card and talking about sexual stuff on radio and saying that they had sex and saying that he went down on her and saying just all this stuff is just so hurtful. You know what I mean? And she and then you see the Diane Sawyer interview and she's like, what did you do?

to like to hurt him you cheated on him didn't you and she was like and she said I'm not gonna say that's wrong but I'm also not gonna say it's right it broke my heart

and she was like you're Brittany yeah pull it together strong Britney oh god hurt Diane fucking Sawyer and this isn't like

about the times like I feel like like this isn't about the times this is the fact that I didn't know better is because I was 12. You know what I mean? Like, the fact that I didn't know better

is not because of that it was 2006 and not to like if I was Amanda today and but do you get what I'm saying? Like it's not okay. I would be like Diane, go fucking easy on my girl. Yeah. And how was that okay? She was like so and all this shit

that's coming up now. Rosie O'Donnell interviews talking about her trampy outfits. And so it's not one thing to drive a person, right? It's not one thing. It's not one person. It's not just Justin Timberlake. It's not just Jamie Spears. But it's all these things that we realize that it's like,

and she out of everyone has been so gracious. And has never kind of done anything to upset her fan or to make people think that she's not humble. or anything. So to see all of this shit and especially the like, you know, trampy stuff,

it's like, okay, Rosie O'Donnell, how do you feel about like, you know, Kylie Jenner today if you're going to say that Britney in like

boxer briefs, you know, on Rolling Stone is like a huge deal. So, I mean, again, we're not blaming

all these different people that had something to say because pop stars today go through shit too. But when you watch it all compiled, you're like, that poor soul. Yeah, I mean, and the back-to-back nature of it to see like, okay, you see the magazine covers, you see, you hear the audio of Justin Timberlake on the air saying, you know,

revealing private details about their relationship sex life. Could you imagine if one of your exes did that, like in a public platform? And then you see Diane Sawyer with the audio of the woman saying, if I could shoot her, I would. and making her listen to that. Could you imagine today if anyone said, you know, I'm going to just play this audio of someone who wants to kill you by gun.

They want to shoot you point blank because of how they, you know, how you're affecting their daughter. Wait, wasn't it like a senator or something who said that? It was like a senator's wife or a mayor's wife or something. She literally said like, if I had the chance to shoot Britney Spears, I would. And Diane is like, what do you think about that, Britney? Jared.

No, no, no. I can't believe that. dream that. I was almost going to bring it up. Then I was like, no, I made a no way that was real. No, Diane Sawyer legit was like, this person wants to murder you. How does that make you feel? And Brittany's like, not good. Like, I mean, thank God. We're at the place today where like that wouldn't happen.

Like people like, that wouldn't happen today at all. Like, at all. But at the same time, Brittany kind of happened at the wrong. time where it was okay to do this to her. And then on top of that, not having the support of your family and having your family being so freaking weird. But I want to get back to Felicia, to Fee. Okay. I love her. Yes. I love her. I love her. Like there are no ifs, ands, or buts about Fee, right? It's like, we love her. No. We love her. She's pure. She's cure of heart, she's always had Brittany's best interest at heart. She's always wanted to stay

in the peripheral of Britney Spears, even if she was demoted from, you know, personal assistant to whatever they listed her as stage manager assistant or whatever she was, or the IT tour assistant, whatever it is. She's always maintained that relationship with Brittany. And I think, you know, I mean, I personally, that's a great person to be in charge of Britney Spears's conservatorship for the personal side, you know, like the medicine, the doctor's appointment, reminding her, you know, of certain things. That's a great person to have. Have her mom, have her, have someone who cares about her genuinely.

We saw how Felicia lives in Mississippi. She's not after money. She's not, she's not flashing a giant house. I'm sure that small, you know, that humble home she lives in is paid for by Britney's fears from her years of loyal work. But she's not sucking. She's not, she's the one person in Brittany's life who has no ulterior motive than to just like work and to look after this girl that she essentially raised like

in the team, you know, the team years up into her super stardom. And you do get stunted when you're famous, when you become that famous, that young. So I'm sure she acted as a mother figure well after Britney Spears turned 18 because she was just with Brittany for so, you know, long and stuff. So I think that's one of the few people that Britney Spears really knows she can rely on. And I think that's another reason why her dad, you know, sniffed her right on out of, out of the super close position of personal assistant because he, that was. a wild card to him because he couldn't control their relationship because they'd have been

established long before he was regularly in the picture, you know? But do you think is she now still in the, is she still working for Britney in some way or not in? I know she was still working for the Vegas show as like the VIP host. So she obviously had contact with Britney during that time. And I know she worked at first, for a spell, she worked with the Jonas brothers. I'm not sure how that ties into the timeline. I don't know if she did that in between the Vegas residency and the conservatorship starting because she obviously needed work and she was, you know, given the boot because Brittany only toured, you know, the two tours up until 2012 and then she, well, there wasn't a lot of downtime now that I'm thinking about.

So, yeah, I don't know when she did fit the Jonas Brothers in there. But, yeah, she was pretty much been with Brittany in some capacity throughout this whole period, but not on that personal level where they're laughing and hanging out and just being each other's support. and friend and stuff like that. I know. She was so cute. And she actually just gave an interview, I think, to people about Sam. She said, Sam's a great guy. Oh, well, if she's saying it, then I'm doubling down on that we support Sam right now. Because I wish she was, like, living with Brittany and just helping her and being her biggest supporter, you know?

Oh, totally. Yeah. I mean, Sam. What do you think of the conspiracy that the project rose? has to do with the roses because Brittany was alluding in her Instagram which again we don't know is it hers or not her whatever that something is coming

very soon Project Rose Project Rose then during this documentary all the guests were had a backdrop of like roses yeah so there was some TikTok that was like Project Rose here we go yeah again

you know I just try not to get sucked into too much of it because it gets me either too excited that like something's going to happen or makes me start to feel crazy. I think the filmmaker did do like a I'm not familiar. I'm not good with Reddit. I get sent Reddit links all the time, but I don't have like an account. So I don't follow it. But I heard that they did like an AMA and people were posting screenshots. And I think the filmmaker or someone associated with the film said, you know, we love that theory, but it just isn't true. Like we know Britney loves roses. And so we just

thought we'd put beautiful flowers behind everyone. You know, so I don't know. I mean, I mean, it could be, but I don't know. And then I saw another article by page six exclusive saying Britney's working on her very own documentary with like a female filmmaker. Yeah. Which, which again is like, and then one of her past hair people, hair stylist, wrote that he's been interviewed for a different documentary as well. So on one hand, could I see like, okay, this was on Hulu, Netflix doing. one, you know, maybe, but it wouldn't make sense really for Brittany to be working on one with all the, you know. Yeah, because her dad would have to sign off on anything business related. So

for them to produce a documentary. I think that's what people also forget is like when people say anything like the words, Britney Spears voluntarily, he is for all intents and purposes. He is Britney Spears. He makes those decisions. So like he can legally say like Britney Spears voluntarily checked herself into a facility because he is in charge of her health. So as long as he signs it voluntarily, that makes it voluntarily on her behalf. Even if she's kicking and screaming and saying, I don't want to go, it's still considered under the law voluntarily. So I don't know.

I don't buy the documentary. There's no way she could be working with a filmmaker. If she can't even, you know, get on her own Instagram live just to say, hey, guys, I just wanted to check in and answer some questions. if she can't do that, which also makes me question her access to her own Instagram because how easy would it be to go on live and say, guys, call 911, I'm being held against my will. You know, it would be, or if she's just feeling kooky and doesn't feel anything, she doesn't feel trapped at all, she could go on and say, oh my gosh, I'm having an amazing summer.

Like, legitimately, this is the best time of my life. Like, I'm seeing my kids, I'm doing this and that. Instead, we get nothing from her. We get these very random posts that come in sets of threes with mixed messages. is. So it's just all so... But that's a thing, Jared, like, if it was a social media person, if it was, you know, curated, it would be better. You know what I'm saying?

But you have to remember, she doesn't want to do what she doesn't want to do. So she might be giving them the bare minimum also. Like, Brittany, you need to film this video. Your fans want to know what your Disney princess you are. And so then she's like, I'm going to give them nothing, but then I'm going to sneak in a little message about how I like freedom. And I do think that it goes back up and down. I think sometimes she has access to it and sometimes she doesn't.

Because, you know, two years ago, she was saying, I'm very keen on freedom. Here, I'm a Sagittarius and she was very into reading and her and, you know, spirituality and she was sharing a lot of that journey. Then all of a sudden in 2019, after domination, the Vegas show was canceled, radio silence. We don't hear anything. And we used to see kooky videos with her and her kids. She would put on the bunny ears. She would sing in like Snapchat filters. Remember that?

She would run after her kids. in the backyard. So a lot of that also that we're not getting. Okay, today is February 11th. There was a court hearing. Can we call it like a small victory? How are you feeling about let's tell the people what happened? So I think I can speak for everyone. Whenever there's a court hearing, which do happen pretty regularly. We just haven't been aware of it over the past 12 years. I think now every time we hear a court hearing, we think it's going to be some big, gigantic news. And we get our hopes of today's the day the judge just says, you know what, you're free, 12 years, you're done. But I think it's a small victory because she, you know, Jamie Spears was fighting

hard to be, to remain the sole conservator of her finances. And the judge has allowed Bessemer Trust, a financial institution that is highly respected and used by lots of estates to manage their money. So the judge said, no, you do not get sole financial, you know, responsibility, you are co-responsibility with Bessemer Trust. So the good thing about that is now any financial decision Janie wants to make, he now has at least one set of checks and balances in place. Because before this court was, you know, before this was appointed, he had full reign to do whatever he wanted with her finances. He could say, yes, we're signing on for $5 million to do a commercial. And I mean, of course, he would have to convince Brittany to do it. And I'm sure she was

rewarded with, you know, time with her children or a vacation with Sam. I'm sure she was given rewards to comply. But now, if something is a shady business dealing, this financial institution has the right to step in and has equal power with Janie. So if they were to butt heads about something, it would not be able to move forward. They would have to take that into court. So it is a small victory in the fact that Jamie's power is slowly diminishing. And by slowly, I mean, slowly because it is slow because listen you guys like jared said before what we know for sure is this brittney filed a petition with the court last year to remove her father and she wanted to place this financial institution as the sole conservator over her estate like we said um her attorney

arguing that she was afraid of james spears and would uh rather a professional institution take over her estate literally what makes you like go crazy about this. Jamie, he objected to this. He didn't want to have a co-conservatorship. He's a greedy mofo. Okay? He legit instead of saying, these are my

daughter's wishes, like, why would you object? Like, let's say that we can't even try to give him the benefit of the doubt because nothing here should be hurting him then. You know, like she took, like you said, a respectable financial institution, not some rando

up the street that he can say is a bad influence on Brittany or whatever the fuck and that's not okay with him either he wanted to be a sole conservator he doesn't want to be in a co-conservatorship so at least i mean listen we'll take the small victories we'll take the fact that the court said no jamie you're not the sole conservator you're going to stay in a co-conservatorship with the financial institution but listen it says that we're going to have another hearing on the conservatorship is scheduled to take place next month so like you said always hearings now we're aware of them now that we're in quarantine we are aware of what's happening with brittney and like you said she's smart so she's not saying i want out of this

conservatorship she's just taking babysaps is this for her estate and her finances and her person like is this for everything or are there different people well this is why it's so frustrating it's because right now brittney's personal is not controlled by her father immediately, which also gives me reason to believe that the recent uptick and more sincere messages from her Instagram might really be coming through from her because her dad stepped down as her personal conservator the same time that her lawyer, who's been her lawyer, who's been her financial lawyer for this whole time, stepped down four months after he asked for a raise, which I think we talked about previously. But so the point is, so he stepped down as her personal conservator

because it was too much work, but he has no problem remaining her financial conservator, which even just makes it seem more shady. Because as a father, you would think I care more about my daughter's well-being than her finances coming in. So that's very suspicious. It's someone in her team named Jody. It's a lady named Jody. Brittany seems to be fond of her from what the limited info we can infer is that she's kind of the temporary conservator over her person. So I'm assuming she has some role in the day-to-day life of scheduling any, you know, doctor's appointments, allowing any trips out to the beach that we may see photographed, you know, her little trip to the park during quarantine where she was doing her little sprints. I'm assuming that's all organized by

this lady named Jody, who was appointed her temporary personal conservator while her dad stepped down to focus on the financial side of his daughter, who's so mentally unwell and mentally unstable and so dementia ridden and in such a vegetative state that he needs to be concerned about her finances over her literal well-being. It's very confusing. But Jared, if he's not the conservator

of her person, then how, then the lock and key that we're talking about that's like the personal side. That's not the estate side or the financial side. You know, where we're talking about her phone privileges and like

shit like that. Isn't that more of the personal stuff? Well, we don't, we don't have access to that. That's one of the things that the court has not unsealed. You know, they've unsealed a lot of documents. And Sam Ingham, her attorney, who has not fought for her for the past 12 years, but who this year is feeling the pressure to finally stand up and fight for her is revealing more and more and being more transparent per Britney's wishes. So again, we just have to respect if Britney's saying, share more, we'll take it. But we don't know what that looks like when he steps down as personal conservatorship. Or conservator. There could be a guideline that Jody had to sign before she would took over as a temporary conservator.

There could be, you know, there's so much that we don't know at play to think that that Jamie would relinquish full personal control to someone who's worked with her over the past 10 years. He's a dumb person and he's a greedy person, but he's not stupid. You know, he's not going to just going to be like, here you go. Like, you're a random person who's going to want to free Brittany and help her help her out. Clearly, even if Brittany is fond of this Jody lady, and I hope to God I'm getting her name right because there's so many little peripheral people in her life. But if I'm, you know, if I'm getting the wrong person, I apologize. But this woman who's controlling her, she's in the pocket of Janie already. So it's in her best interest to remain conservator of her person's temporary to do, to listen to what Jamie says. So we don't know.

Again, once again, we don't know. That's the thing, you guys. We're doing our best. and there is a lot of information out there. Jared, where do you, where could you, aside from following Jared on Instagram, who else could, can people go to to find out more? Where do you go to find the day-to-day updates on what's happening with Brittany? Any resources?

Yeah, I mean, I follow, I think it's called Free Brittany, L.A. is an Instagram account because, of course, I'm Los Angeles based, but they're pretty good because it's the court hearings are in L.A. And it's ran by a lawyer. has access to documents that are, I mean, public can get them, but he has easier access to get them and understands them. So he's a great resource. Of course, Britney's Graham is a podcast that broke the story of Brittany possibly being forced into that rehabilitation center back in early 2019. They were the first ones to kind of point out that Brittany had been missing from social media

for a three-month period. And pretty much like as soon as their episode dropped, we saw a post from Britney Spears within like 48 hours. So those two are like really good sources. They, they kind of believe how we believe like facts only. There's a lot of fun conspiracy theory accounts you can follow. If you follow those two, you'll start to see in the comments other accounts that say like, you know, check out this or she did this or I, you know, I have it on good authority this and all of that kind of stuff. But those two accounts stick to to the court documents. So if you really want to get into that kind of world, it's a pretty interesting take. I do want to say one thing. I don't know how we're doing with time. But I'm

met that paparazzi, you know, from the framing documentary, a framing Britney Spears documentary, the lovable paparazzi who retired and said, we did stop when she asked and they said, why didn't you stop? And I want to say one thing and I want to call that motherfucker out because first of all, he's such a liar because I met him when I was all dressed up in drag and I was at a restaurant and Rihanna was about to show up and I saw all these paparazzi and I was like, what's going on? Like I'm in drag. I want to be photographed with somebody, you know, just like having a time of my life, like 25 new to L.A. and he said, oh, and we just got to chatting.

And he's like, oh, Rihanna's coming. I said, oh, my God, I'm going to wait for her, whatever. And we got to chatting. And I said, were you guys around during, like, the Britney Spears era? Like, how, like, how was that? Because, like, I love Britney Spears. I want her to be free. And he was horrific.

He said, oh, yeah, we would follow that bitch around day and night. We would park outside of her house, wait for her to leave. She was so bad shit crazy. She would come out at 3 a.m. And I was so lucky. And he told me this. I mean, this is like 2013, 2014, 2014. He told me, I was the one who got the, my car got beat by the umbrella and I kept that umbrella.

And this motherfucker told me, he said, my biggest regret is I put that up for auction on eBay or some celebrity site. And he said, it went up for, you know, $40,000 or $80,000, some exorbitant amount. And he said, I took it down because I was convinced, because I knew she was going to die and I was going to wait for her to die and then sell it after her death for more. And he's like, and now I'm kicking myself because. she's still alive and I am like you mother I that the amount of me in full drag who wanted to strangle that man I mean I popped I screamed at him there's so many paparazzi they were going to stop saying like we're going to no I swear I mean I swear on my life like I have pictures of with me and Rihanna to prove it like I have all of all of the receipts I just don't

have it like on tape of me saying this this man said that and then he said oh yeah Britton paid for my car she paid she paid for my house in the valley you know which everyone's living in the valley now because they were making so much money. And he got that exclusive shot. It was just him and those one other paparazzi getting the umbrella shots. And he said that that night paid for whatever he said it paid for his house or his car or whoever, who knows what. But anyone who, I mean, I don't think anyone thought he was a good guy in the first place, but anyone who thought like, oh, he's kind of reformed or whatever. No, this man wanted her to die. And that was the mindset that they had in 2007 when she was out clearly, not needing help,

because I don't want to assume anyone's mental health issues, but she clearly needed someone just to, like, leave her alone or to be her friend or anything, you know? There was a moment in the interview where they were like, didn't she tell you? And he was like, no. And that's when it's like you put yourself in like the shoes of, let's say, a detective, right? And you're like, when am I going to break them, you know? And when whoever the interviewer was was like, wasn't she asking you to leave her alone? He was like, nope, can't recall that.

You're like, okay, okay, okay, sweetie. I'm sure she would. And he was like, you know, it was a two-way relationship. Like, Britney Stras didn't need you, bitch. She was doing fine. No, no. She would have loved to not have you around. She was kind.

And at the beginning of it, she was a kind person until they pushed her too far. And again, I'm not saying that's the one thing that made her, you know, anything. Because I personally don't even think she's a crazy person. I think that whole narrative that she's crazy, you know, she's probably going a little crazy how we are in pandemic in lockdown, maybe those types of like momentary, like, oh, I feel crazy like I'm trapped. She's been dealing with that for 12 years. So, yeah, she's going to be a little loopy.

She's going to not know how to interact with people. She's not going to know who to trust because of everything she's been through. She's not, I mean, again, I don't want to speculate in her mental health, but to call her crazy from something like that is just mind boggling. You have to understand. And we're going to wrap up, unfortunately. there's going to be a part three part four whatever you know we're not understanding and it's like again i put up a post kind of apologizing to brittany and promising that i'm because i was such a

i had this like love for her but i would be like oh my god how crazy she put up this thing what's happening is she okay and i promise i was like listen i'm not going to do that anymore whether it's her running or instagram or whatever like you said we can't know i don't want to even allude to poking fun at where she's at because we can't even imagine like you know Igia Zelia I shared something from Watch

What Happens Live she did a duet with her like a few years ago and she and she said to Andy Cohen like Andy Cohen was like how is it like and she was like oh she came over in my house people came to vet out my house before she came over

and it was like what she's like yeah like I just invite her over for food and like I'm a regular girl like I'm not doing anything wild and he was like they find anything just like no so is she still wearing those khaki shorts because she maybe honestly doesn't know what current fashion trends are you know like all these things that I would kind of make fun of because I thought like okay I'm not making fun of something horrible I'm making fun of like a fashion choice you know what I mean or the eyeliner like I literally am not going to do that anymore and and a lot of people like I was saying Justin Timberlake needs to apologize. Diane Soura needs to apologize. And, you know, we don't want her to be the next fucking princess die, you know? And she could have been. She could have fucking easily been that little fucking paparazzi motherfucker.

I hate him. She never said anything. She loved it. That's when we lost credibility, right? In the interview, I mean, you know, you knew from before he was bullshit. But all of us were like, oh, like, you know. And then when he said, like, no she never asked you to like leave her alone never and you're saying she's so nice all of these people

all these celebrities flip off the cameras you know um a beat the camera you know whatever i would like i said uh like i can't even imagine what i would do she even when they came when he came up to her in the car and she's with her shaved head with her head down we find out later it's she went to see her kid, she couldn't see her kids. She was still gracious and kind and nice and she didn't say fuck off. You know what I mean? So Jared, drop up what? I mean, obviously our main goal would be free Britney, right? Hashtack free Britney. What's our next small goal? I mean, if you're in the state of California, there are actionable items. I can, when this episode airs, I will post them on my Instagram. If you're in California, unfortunately, it's, I mean, the ACLU is posting about it and

showing how we can help end conservatorship abuse as a whole because it really does shine a light on the system is corrupt. So I would check out the ACLU, their Instagram and see what they're posting about Brittany. And then for the California residents, when this comes out, I'll share a link that you can write into lawmakers and people on the smaller scale, like on the local government, not, you know, not the senator of all of California, but on the local level, they can really make some change here in L.A. County to say, we need to take a look, closer look at this case, and then the several thousands of other cases where people are being abused and used and even just taken for their money and having their rights stripped away. Because at the end of the day, this is a human rights issue

because even if she was a disabled person, a disabled person should still be allowed to have autonomy unless they are, you know, like a person in a wheelchair doesn't get their money taken away from them because they're disabled. Why should someone who might have a mental health issue, you know? Do you think if she were to be free, we'd see old Brittany come back? I think so. I really have a lot of hope. I think that video of her sharing at the Super Bowl and we're talking about the Super Bowl, I saw a fire in her eyes that I had seen in a couple of years. I did too. Oh my God. I did I saw a real excitement. She was really excited to share that little joke with all of us about, like, something

happened last week. And she was not reading off a cue card. She was not swaying nervously. I think we got a glimpse. And I think with Sam speaking out, I think we're getting where we want to be. But we can't, we can't lose momentum now that the documentary is over. I think, I think the documentary, like you said, was it, you know, brand new information? No.

I think it's going to give an extra push for more people to have awareness, for people like Sam to all of a sudden speak, for all of a sudden the social media people to start freaking out. We need a fire under people's butts. And like you said, her lawyer just started kind of advocating for her more. So I really think this is a positive thing that came out and hopefully there'll be more changed. We're all going to watch, you know, the court cases happen now and everything. And Jared, thank you so much for coming on and being my little Britney fairy angel.

Really. Thank you guys for listening. Thanks, Jared. Everyone go follow. Jared. Into your handle. Tell us. Jared lips.

And next month, I will be launching my own podcast, which I hope to have you on. And but stay tuned for that. And thanks for having me. I love Brittany with all of my life. Even if I like poke fun of my Halloween costume or anything like Brittany is my queen. And we just need to keep fighting for her, you guys. Thank you, Jared. We will. We will. All right. Hashtag free Britney. Free Brittany. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat.

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