Not Skinny But Not Fat - GREG GRIPPO: THE BACHELORETTE, BEING BULLIED, AND HIS FAVE BLUE JEANS

Episode Date: February 25, 2025

Back when I was deeply invested in the Bachelor franchise—knowing all the players and passionately following the drama—Greg Grippo, a New Jersey native and a self-proclaimed student of the Meryl Streep school of acting (lol), was a contestant on Katie Thurston’s season. Greg quickly became Katie’s number one, but then he pulled a move that reignited the term “gaslighting.” Since then, Greg has stayed close friends with Andrew from his season, dated another Bachelor Nation favorite, Victoria Fuller, and even created the only non-awkward TikToks I’ve ever enjoyed! Greg opens up about being bullied in school and where he’s at today.Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny but not fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, guys. Happy Tuesday. Welcome to a new episode of not skinny but not fat. I hope everybody is doing well. It's wild. It's been so cold in New York. I honestly don't remember it ever being cold like this, like in the last years of my life. The last time I remember it being this cold was when I was in college in Ithaca, hiking up mountains of snow, wearing no clothes while drunk off smearing off ice. Like what's happening? I don't know. But I have to say, like, I am proud of me and I do want to give myself a moment because I'm, I don't complain about weather.

I have, okay, oh my God, I know one of my ex is talking about weather. Like, I hate when people are like, oh, my God, it's going to rain or oh, my God, it's going to, I'm like, okay, yes, yes, there's different types of weather. It can always be sunny and beautiful. Guess what? I also don't like when it's, like, 85 degrees and I can't walk down the street without, like, getting a heat stroke. I would like a nice 68. Like I feel like 68 is just so classic. Like that's what I would want to have all year round.

But I honestly don't complain. I think though it's different. Like if you're coming to New York for either like a vacation, right, and you want to like see the city and you're being a tourist and you have to get to Times Square and get to the financial district and get to all these different places and take the subway and walk and you're freezing, you have to like layer up. and then you go into a store and you're sweating and you take layers off, then I get it. It sucks.

Like, complain about the weather. Or, you know, if you're taking subways to work every day, I get it. Because that's not the specific life I'm living, then I'm like, okay, then I like leave to go into the cold for a sec, you know, I don't have to or, you know, I take a cab usually. So, listen, I'm no Taylor Swift, but I just, I feel like I can avoid the cold if I want to. You know what I mean? But it is a long time and it is a rough winter. So I am feeling that like everybody else that's complaining.

But I guess we needed it. And maybe global warming has reversed. Like, is this a good thing? I don't know. I don't know. We honestly don't know what to do. I need your advice because, you know, we, you know, you see people like on Instagram or even, you know, screw social media.

Other people that your kids go to school with. And they're like on vacation all the time. and they go away and I've talked to you guys about this that I'm not so vacationing. I'm not a big travel person. I haven't, I wasn't even before kids, which now I look back and I'm like,

I should have traveled so much before kids because it's obviously so much harder with kids. Now that I have Lenny and Noah, I'm like, wow, I should have traveled so much more with Noah because now traveling with two is going to be so much harder. So even thinking about like, you know, when he's going to be off for Passover for 300 days,

we're like, okay, maybe we should go to Israel. and thinking about that 12-hour flight and not even, I mean, Noah would be fine now. I'm sure he could watch an iPad and go to sleep. But like with Lenny, who's like a baby, like he's a good baby, but he's a baby. Good baby. That's triggering word, isn't it? And I'm like, the 12-hour flight and then getting there.

And then you've got to rent a car and get the car seats. And then you've got to get the Airbnb and get the, get the, or hotel and make sure you have the crib and the stuff for the baby. And then, oh, my God, he's like with no eye use to just breastfeed. so it's like whip out my tit with him he's also getting bottles so it's like i bring my pumps i bring cans of formula as well like bottles like all these things i'm like overwhelmed nevertheless even the packing can overwhelm me you guys like thinking about packing for both like no then i'm like why would i want to travel like why would i want to when it's such a headache so that's just

the tip of the iceberg on that but we're we're we're trying to figure it out trying to figure out our plans. Anyway, you guys, aside from that, you know, somebody posted, I think it was Lauren Bostick from the Skinny Competition. She posted this week and it really, like I agreed with her, she was doing like an AMA because she's pregnant again and somebody asked her if she is going to use a night nurse and she said yes. And she said, honestly, so many people use them and I wish more people were transparent about

it. And I'm like, oh my God, that's such a good point because when you follow celebrities or any sort of influencer, you know, you're never going to see the nanny. You're never going to see the night nurse, which even if you don't see them, which is like, let's say they don't want to show them. Rarely do they say that they have them, right? It's like this unspoken thing, which is weird. Not that it should be a flex, but then some of these people are making it sound like they're waking up all night with the baby, doing everything by themselves as a baby. Meanwhile, like somebody lives at home with them. You know what I mean? And this can go from,

like talking about like super famous people that share about their lives to, you know, influencers that you follow. So I thought that was such a good point. Like people aren't really transparent about the help that they have. And it's like wouldn't it be so much nicer if you knew, right? If you were like, oh, like they're, it's like, how are you managing with seven kids? And they're like, I do it all. You're like, oh, I can't handle one, you know? So I mean, she has such a point and appreciate her honesty. Love is blind. is back. I did. It started slow for me. I was watching it. And the first episode, I was like, I'm hearing you guys. You're right. It is really slow. And then I got into it. I'm into it now.

Yeah, the guys kind of look the same. They're all from Minnesota, which like none of them have that accents. I don't know why I'm doing that. But I thought people do. I thought people said like Minnesota. No? It's like a little Canadian, Midwestern. Where are the accents? I don't buy it. I'm really into Madison still. I haven't flipped yet. But I, But I didn't get to the episode where I think people flip on her. I just think she's so pretty and complicated. And that's kind of like my love language. So I am into it.

So I do recommend people watch it. So we could talk about it. Obvious. Anyway, today's guest, which I love, I love, I love, I love what I do. You know, I love my job. You know I love my pod. And you guys love knowing kind of how guests come about. And there are a mix of ways, right?

Sometimes it's like, I'm obsessed with the guests and I'll do everything I can to reach out. and pitch to their teams or pitch to them directly or whatever, whatever, whatever. Sometimes I get incoming pitches where like the agency comes to me and it's like our, you know, the talent is doing a new movie

and knew this, and do that and that. They would want to come on your show. They're doing press, right? Which is so funny, like, this is kind of fourth wall breaking, but when I started doing podcasts, like, I would just want to have people on my pot

and like I didn't realize they would only probably come on when they had something to promote. It didn't click for me, which is so cute and naive. And now it makes sense. Like, okay, you could maybe get the person that you want. And it could be really exciting and you can talk about everything else. But it might just be when they're, it probably won't be when they're doing press.

Anyway, that's all to say that it works differently with each guest. Of course, at the end of the day, like, it's up to me like, who do I want? Who don't I want? Sometimes it's like, uh, it's hard to decide because at the end of the day, it's so fun that I get to have the people that I want. but it's a lot of pressure to make those decisions at the end of the day because you can't talk to everybody. However, Balls is to say that this person that's on today, I've loved him since he was on The Bachelorette, a contestant, and he was all the rage, seriously. And I think that now he's so incredibly funny, talented, gifted, not icky at all on social media, especially TikTok. Every

time I see a TikTok of his. I'm like, how does he do it? How is he not giving me the egg? How is he so good? How is he perfect at this? You know, where every other dude who would do it would gross me out. I am of course talking about Greg Grypo who went to the Merrill Street School of Acting. That's an inside joke, everybody. Greg Gripo was on Katie Thurston's season of The Bachelorette. He got some love. Then he got some heat. And now he's just getting a lot of nudes sent him apparently. Also, of course, I want to say to Katie Thurston that I'm wishing her so much health and to get better so quick. She did share that she got diagnosed with breast cancer and she's going to go through treatment and I'm sure she's going to come out on the other

side of this. So enjoy my conversation with Greg Ripo. I was so excited at the opportunity to talk to him because I was like, oh my God, how did you guys know? I love him. I love him. I love him. And he's just as silly And he was wearing the same jeans that he does In all of his videos And of course I pointed it out right away Anyway, so here's my conversation with Greg Grypo Greg Grypo is here

Yes, I am. Hello, Amanda. How random are we? It is random. We're so random. We've been in the same spot before. I know we're talking about Are we so weird?

Why didn't we say hello? What are you talking about? Which place? The Ed Shearing, Spotify thing? I was so awkward that day. You wouldn't make eye contact with me. I kept on trying to... I was attempting to say hi to you,

but you wouldn't make eye contact with me. It was, like, directly after my season. So, like, this was, like, going on four years ago, but... Why didn't you say hi, then, you weirdo? I didn't think you liked me. And I was like, oh, she's... I was like, she doesn't want to say hi. And then I was like, it's okay.

Were you with, like, your husband? I was with my husband. Yeah. People that listen and know this about me. Like, I don't really go to events, usually, because I'm... It's not like I'm a, like, awkward. It's just, like...

But you don't give up, like, a freet cheer and personal concert. That was wild. That was such a good invite. That was really cool. Like, to things that are worth it, I go. Like, if I'm going, you know, it's like, it's worth it. I had no idea it was going to be like that, but. That he would serenate us?

Yeah, he really did. When was this? You're saying this was like 20, 22, right after your season. I remember you were with Andrew. Yeah. It was either end of 21 or beginning, right in the beginning of 22. But it was cold outside still. So I want to say it was end of 21.

The thing. is what do you do in that situation? So, like, I know you from the show. How did you know who I was? And I saw your clips talking about me. I wasn't talking shit, was I? Sometimes. Okay. So were you think, like, what do you did? Like, should I have come up and say, said, like, hey, Greg? Well, no, I saw one clip that you were like really nice. You were talking nice about me. And then I think I changed maybe your perception towards the end of the season. Oh, I was defending you with the acting classes for sure. I was like, shut up. Yeah, yeah. You know, that was I think it was that. Thank you.

And, and yeah, I know this about myself. I don't remember what I said then, but I don't like to paint one person as horrible. Like, I really try to find the middle ground. That's great. That's great of you. And obviously, like you, because you're here today. Yeah, likewise. But so why didn't you say hi to me?

I was just, I was timid. Really? Yeah. Huh. You and Andrew were there, I remember. Yeah, we were there. We had a good time. If we could go back in time, by the way, I really.

think that today's Amanda would have come up to you. What was different about the other Amanda? Maybe I was like, just more timid. I agree. So we were both timid. We're just so smart. But I would have come up and I would have said, Greg, what's the motherfucking tea. That's what I would have said today.

And I would have gave you the tea. I would have been like, tell me everything. I probably would have. Stop. It's okay. What a miss. But we did meet at a cheer in. Yeah.

So the reason why. you're here today, aside from us being so random, is because I'm obsessed with you on TikTok, which I don't even like TikTok, you guys, okay? I don't even like it. However, you do it the best that I've ever seen have been done. Wow, that's really nice. Thank you. Is that crazy? Thank you. That is crazy. You're so good at it. That's a crazy compliment. I swear. That's a crazy comment. I almost didn't download TikTok a while ago, but I mean, I'm glad I did. I have fun with it. You're good at it. Thank you. Scary good at it. Oh, here's the other thing. I think that any other dude but you who would do it would be so incredibly cringy.

Wow. And I would be so icked out by them. That is a major compliment. But you doing it, how is it not cringy and icky? I think that, you know, maybe even like in the beginning, maybe I don't, I think that you just can't take yourself too seriously. And I think the more you care, the less people like it and enjoy it. But then you know what people do? So, okay, that's you naturally.

But then people will say, wow, Greg is going really well for him on TikTok. and it seems like he doesn't care and then he's not taking himself too seriously. I'll do that. That's true. And then it doesn't work for them because it doesn't, it's not the real thing. They're trying to do the thing that we'll get the thing. But for you, it happens actually, you also have the rhythm

and the blue jeans that we discuss? I do have the blue jeans. These are the jeans. These are the genes. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I could say that I own a few pair of them, but these are my only pair. The only pair. And I knew them right away. The minute I saw you today, I was like, you did. Is that creepy? It was the first thing you said to me.

Also, the girls are thirsting. How does that feel? Over my jeans? Over you. It's not, it's, you know what? There's, people are nice on TikTok for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

People are sweet. Because they don't even care about the season. They don't even care about anything. They're not talking about it still. Yeah, no, no. That happened a while ago. Yeah. No one's like, crazy if people were still bringing up like Katie in my comments.

I mean, people are crazy though. So it wouldn't be that crazy. I agree. Yeah. But you've had a public relationship since. Yeah. I shipped it, actually. Did you? I did.

Yeah, thank you. I think I even posted like I ship. Oh, that's sweet. Yeah. Yeah. You guys were cute. Yeah. You would laugh together.

We had fun together. Yeah. So what happened? It just didn't work out between us. And it was a mutual decision. And she's great. But it just, at the end of the day, it just didn't work out. We just had to go our separate ways.

Did you think you were going to, like, get married? There was discussions about it, for sure. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, especially at this day and age, like, I want to date with intention. And that relationship, we really tried. We really gave our best shot. Are you a good boy if?

I mean, I think that I think that I could have done better in past relationships. But today, I do believe that I'm a different version of myself and would be a good boyfriend. Yeah? Yeah. Are you dating? I mean, I've dated lightly here and there. But like for the past year, I've been really. taking it slow with my dating life. This is like the first year that I've ever been fully single.

And it's interesting. Like I feel like ever since like, Jesus, like 14, 15 years old. You've been a boy. You've been a couple. I've been in a relationship or like somebody to like wake up to the morning and text. And yeah, I've always like tried to get into relationship. And this is like the first year where I haven't put too much pressure on it. And I've kind of just been like enjoying my alone And I do believe that since I'm not looking, like, the right person will come. Are you, like, being single and, like, fuckboy vibes? Oh, no. No.

Just literally nothing. No, I'm not being fuck boy vibes at all. I mean, I have gone out to drinks with people, but, like, never, like, past, like, a first date. Like, I just, I've just been taking it slow in my life. Yeah, I don't want to lead anybody on at this point, point in my life. And, like, but what are you looking for? Why is it so hard to get into that part of yours? I think that I feel like I've done a lot of self-reflecting this past year.

And I think that my big thing is that, you know, I really want to build like a friendship with someone prior to going into that relationship and like taking it slow with them just for like longevity-wise. My parents were legit best friends. They did everything together. And they were such a good example for like what I want in life. And so taking it slow is really important to me. right now. Yeah. Yeah. You turned, you're a Gemini. I am. Me too. Are you? When's your birthday? May 31st.

Oh, wow. Like, you're June what? Five days away from me. I'm June 5th. What are, like, Gemini men, what's the vibe? What's the vibe? I mean, we get a bad rap. You do. You don't have, there aren't prime examples of the leading Gemini. We're supposed to have like two sides to us. Right, but I think men, like even worse than the Gemini ladies. Oh, is that right? Yeah. Okay. Just you know. Have you ever dated a Gemini? I have not. My son now is a Gemini. And I'm like, what are we?

Oh, interesting. I do love, listen, when you're a Gemini, like, you love being a Gemini. You know, I'm just worried. Like, I feel like for a girl, it comes out like, oh, she's spicy. She's crazy. Yeah. For a guy, I don't know, Kanye. Yeah.

You know? No, I agree. Yeah. I feel like, especially if you're being into astrology, like, I hate bringing up that I'm a Gemini because people are like, oh. If you're on a day with a girl and she's like, wants to know your star rising. My rising. Yeah.

I've, yeah, I've downloaded a co-star in the past. You have for like a date. Yeah. Uh-huh. And then they're like, a Gemini. Mm-hmm. Oh, Sadge rising. I don't know what I am.

I think I might be. I'm a sad something. And I say sag and everyone makes fun of me. I'm a sad. You're not sad. You made that up? I, jeez. I mean, I could pull up my co-star, but, um,

I think there's a sage in there somewhere. I have a sage. Yeah. And I have the, not Scorpio. What else is there? What am I? Cancer, right. I'm cancer something.

It is a nice little thing, like if you look into it, all yourself. What's a tattoo that says eight? Oh, that's for my dad. That's cool that you noticed that. I've been like, almost like, I feel like hiding my wrist. You're like, what? How did you see that? Yeah, it was like, my dad always told us that like eight was like,

such a big number in the family. And that number was like, we grew up with like an eight for like the number on like our street. And then our phone number had like five eights in it. And then he actually when he passed, it was weird. The time that he passed was on 808. My nephew who was born and named after him was born on 808 as well. Wow. Yeah. So did all of you, the siblings get a tattooed or was it just you? No, it was just me. It was my first tattoo. Do you have more now? Mm-hmm. I'm sorry about your dad.

Thank you. I remember that talking about it on your season and everything. Yeah, yeah. And he said you're having an upcoming trip with your whole family soon. It's our first trip since I think I was in high school. So he passed in 2000, in 19, so I was 25 at the time. Oh, so pretty, so when you went on the show, it had been like... It was like a year and a half, two years.

Oh, wow. Yeah, no, it was fresh. It was fresh. was definitely, I was in a fragile spot still. And I honestly didn't even like, I don't think I really comprehended what kind of spot that I was in. Yeah, I feel like I was going through a lot at that time. Like, I went through, I went to, like, grief counseling. It was like my first ever therapist. And I was so apprehensive to go on therapy after. And I met this guy and I was so close to him. His name was Ron Martino. And he was so smart and so sharp. He's around like

87 years old, though. So like me and him would meet once a week. And I'd be sitting across the desk for him. We were together for around seven or eight months. And he was around seven or eight months. and then he ended up passing. He was your counselor. Wow. And then he passed away. Yeah, yeah, from cancer. Aye.

Yeah. Did you continue with it? And then you got in the show, so you were saying, did you stop in the middle or something? You know, I stopped, and then I went on the show. I went on the show maybe like seven or eight months later.

And then after the show, I went back in therapy. I've been through a lot of therapy. Yeah? I've been through a lot. Yeah. I feel like. Are you still in it now?

I'm looking for a new one currently in New York. I actually just scheduled consultation last night. Good for you. Thank you. Go therapy. Yeah. Do you dread it like when you have to go to the first one? Yeah, the first one, because I just want to get right into this.

Right. Right into the stuff. I know. You really don't want to be like, oh, and then I grew up and my sister and they have to get all the names and all the relationships. And then you have to tell them about the bachelor. Like, you have to tell them about the bachelor and the whole thing. Absolutely. I know.

And then you'd rather just them like know it. Yeah. So we can delve right in. Honestly, I don't even think it's. It's more of, like, the Bachelor stuff I even, like, need to talk about, rather than, like, growing up. I think that I feel like I've pushed down so much of, like, what I went through as, like, a child that, like, I feel like this past year, I feel like I've been, like, trying to understand it more and understand, like, why, you know, I have, I don't know, certain anxiety about things or if things come up. You have anxiety? No, I don't have anxiety, but I'm saying, like, in the past, like, in my 20s, and I feel like, where does that come from?

If you're trying to, like, dig, you're trying to understand. Yeah, and I feel like that's come through, like, my childhood. That's such a green flag, probably if, like, for a potential lady. They're, like, working on yourself. You're trying to figure stuff out. You're going to therapy. I'm trying. Yeah, I'm trying.

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Welcome to Chloe in Wonderland. New episodes drop every Wednesday on X and on Thursday wherever you get your podcasts. See you there. And we're back. Your childhood always sounded to me like it was so kind of picturesque the way that you painted it with like your family and being such a familial guy and you're like a great uncle and all those things. Yeah, I think that I just, it was tough just because, you know, growing up, my parents always thought I was a ladies man. And so I switched a lot of schools. I think I went through five different schools in a matter of like seven years.

Wait, why? So I got held back in fifth grade. I was like, you know that June month when like you're either the youngest or the oldest? And I was so tiny. I must have been. In size. I was like four foot nine, four foot ten, like probably like 75 pounds. And what?

At what age are you talking about? Gosh, what was that? How old am I at fifth grade? 12 years old. 10? Fifth? Yeah. It's 10, no?

Is it 10? Jeez, okay. I mean, that sounds crazy. It's 10? It does sound crazy. That does sound crazy. And so I transferred to this, my public school. And so there's two separate schools in my town where you can go either TJ or Hoover.

And so all of my best friends that I grew up with were all on the other side of town. They all went to Hoover. So I was by myself in this school. Why? It was just close to my house. Oh, the closer. And I would just, my parents thought I was going to thrive. But it was just the whole opposite to that. And I never, I never had the guts to tell them. I was kind of, I didn't want to let them down because they thought that I was going to be like a cool kid at school, but I was getting my ass whooped. Really? Like almost every other day, like in the locker room. They would like choke me. I'd be like crying until they stopped.

And you didn't tell your parents because they thought you were like so cool. Yeah. And I didn't have any guy friends. So I sat at an all girls table. and then it was just, you know, I didn't, I just, no guys liked me in the school at TJ. And then I also didn't tell my, like, best friends what was going on in that school. I just, I was a little embarrassed. And then eventually, like, I, like, got knocked out in gym class. And then they, like, the what? Because somebody, like, punched you?

Well, they choked me and, like, I, like, almost, like, passed out in, like, the middle of class. Oh, my God. And then, yeah, this podcast is getting rough. Oh, my shit. We're doing fine now. I'm doing fine now. I'm okay. So I switched schools out of that, out of that place. And then, man, I think that it was just like a lot.

Kids are rough. Why do you think they were picking on you? I just, I think I was an easy target. Because you were small. And then kids are the worst. Yeah, so. Kids can be the worst. They aren't the worst, but they can be the worst.

So, you know, like being just friends with girls in that school, you know, everyone was like questioning my sexuality and stuff. So, like, that was also just, like, a rough time for me and just, and then it kind of- Were you friends zoned by these girls at the time? Yeah, I think, like, one or two of them, I, like, had a crush. So, like, one of them, I was in, like, seventh grade at the time. One of them had a boyfriend. I think that we had a little crush on each other.

And then, like, the kid that she was dating was in high school. So he was a freshman high school. And he would always be, like, waiting outside the middle school. And, like, he was, it was, like, my first phone at that point. And, like, we still had, we still had aim back then, I'm pretty sure. And eventually, like, my parents saw my aim that this kid was, like, messaging me saying he was, like, going to, like, shoot me and stuff. And then it carried on into high school. I can't even believe I'm digging in like this.

Well, you said you're looking for therapy. So here we go. And then eventually my freshman year high school was, like, continuing to happen. But, like, my best friends were also in school. But I also wouldn't tell them just because, like, these kids that were doing it were also really close with my best friends. And, like, I kind of just, like, wanted to be in the. in the crew and so like I wouldn't I wouldn't like bring anything up and like I would kind of just let them say shit to me and when you said your parents like thought you were such a ladies man do you mean like that wasn't what was happening but you wanted them to think that that was what was happening yeah I mean I I think I was a handsome child so handsome guy so I think that girls would have a crush on me back then but like I also was just so timid because everything that was going on but then like I think the boyfriend like you know the like the that's why the that's why they hated you yeah i guess so well how was your confidence back

then it wasn't it wasn't that high it wasn't that high and especially in high school freshmen sophomore year i was in i was like a shell of myself because i i was playing like varsity basketball at the time and like these kids were like our own home crowd was like channing stuff at me like making fun of me like as i was playing and it got to the point where like these kids were like waiting for me like buy my mom's car to like beat me up like and like because I knew where I would like leave from high school and like got to a point where like there wasn't like really like a gang in the school but there was like a small group that considered themselves a gang and like I had a couple of friends I grew up with that like considered themselves in a gang and like I almost

got initiated what is happening in New Jersey got initiated into it but like the only way you initiate getting into it is getting jumped and so this kid went in front of me and like he had to get his ass whooped for a minute. And I was like, I can't do this. And so I ran. So you didn't get into the gang gang? No, I didn't. I, but I wanted protection. Oh my. I wanted protection. Are you, are we in the Sopranos? Like what it? Wait, you wanted to get in the gang for protection, but you had to whip somebody's ass to do it. No, I had to get whooped. I had to get whooped for a minute. And they were, they were beating this kid up in front of me. I was like, they were like, Greg, you're next. And I was like, no, I'm not. I'm out of

here. And you ran. I ran. And I like, Mom, can you come pick me up on the other side? So when did you get tall? I hit the growth spurt. Sophomore going to junior year. That's also when I transferred. I maybe grew like a foot. Because you're tall. You're a tall guy. Yeah. And I grew like, I grew close to a foot going into my junior year. And that's where I transferred. Another school. Into a Rutgers prep. Why did you transfer that time? It's for basketball. Oh, okay. And also I just wanted to get out of my high school. Was it better there? Yeah, they were so welcoming there and so nice.

I also just, you know, like looking back on it, I don't think like I was also like that. I just, I just think I was like closed off and like I didn't want that to happen again. So like I was just, I just like wouldn't like befriend like that many people. Like I had like my core group and like I feel like it developed like I developed like a big wall for like a lot of years. So all this childhood stuff is like school stuff, bullying. Yeah. that you've been through. Yeah.

Well, look at you now. Yeah. No, I feel good, you know. Hey, now. Were you into, because you were doing sports and stuff, but were you into, like, theater, as we know, you took acting classes at the Merrill Street. At the Merrill Street. At the Merrill Street.

The school is, like, two blocks from here. Which one is it? That's what it's called. The William Esperstein. Oh, yeah, yeah. The Millian Street. Okay. Well, that's known.

That's known. So you, how did you get into the acting stuff? Did you like that? in school, too? No, I mean, I feel like I always created, like, these, like, little videos with my friends, always growing up. We always did these, like, little short skits.

And I loved doing it. I would always get a kick out of it. I always crack up. And I wanted to keep pursuing something creative. Right out of college. Where'd you go to college? St. Michael's in Vermont. Yeah, really small school, like 2,500 kids were there.

Wow. Which, I loved it over there. I met my best friends over there. But right out of the gate, I got an insurance job, hated it, worked that for six months. And I moved back home and went to... What did you go for? For what?

College. Oh, it was business marketing. Oh, business marketing. Okay, so you get insurance. Yeah, insurance job. Didn't like it. I hated it, yeah. You were living in New Jersey still?

Yeah. Well, no, I was in Boston. I was studying getting my Series 6 in Boston. You're a Series 6. What is that? It's for insurance. Don't ask me now because I don't know. Wait, did they make you get it or you were getting it like this is my path?

No, you have to get it. like license for insurance. So I did my life X and health license. I passed that. Wait, did you want to do insurance? I just wanted a job. So you got into this insurance route. Yeah. So you're doing all these insurance classes. Yeah. And you're like the same me. No, I hated it. I just thought that there was something like more out there in the creative

route for me in the creative realm. So when you went, sign up for these classes, were you living in New York? No, I was in Jersey. I was commuting every single morning. Oh, it was every day. It was Monday through Saturday. Oh, so what is it, like a conservatory? Mm. Like, that's like a hardcore that I thought you were taking like classes, like just like. Well, the classes would be like spaced out. It would be like a nine to 12 class would be like our scene study class.

And then it would be voice and speech from two to four. And then. Movement. Five to six from like movement. Yeah. That movement in acting classes always freaked me out. Yeah. It's weird in there.

They were gnarly. Yeah. Those classes. Yeah. It gets crazy in there. So you did that for how long? Well, first year, full throttle, full time. Second year, went to the Knicks game.

It was in February 6th or 7th, I think. We went to the Knicks game. Got back from the Knicks game with my dad. He wasn't feeling that well. Woke up the next morning, he wasn't there. And my mom wasn't there. It was like 6 a.m. I was going for the train.

And then I was calling them. Nobody would answer. And then, like, I was in class all day. And like, nobody was picking up their phone. My sister is nobody. I was like, what the hell is going on? Something inside of me. I don't know why.

I was like, I think something like really bad is happening. Like, I think that he's sick or something. And then I got the call that afternoon that he had stage four liver cancer. Oh, my God. That's horrible. I'm sorry. It was shattering. So he found out.

And then how long until he passed? They gave him maybe two months. And I remember walking in that room and everyone was like, what should we do? And they were like radiation. It's like too late at this point, like chemo. And we kind of just like try to go like the holistic route with him. Like, I went vegan with him. him and we were just trying like every outlet we could to help him yeah yeah and he had no symptoms

before that day that they he didn't feel well and they went to the since you gotta get checked no i mean he was struggling with sleeping like that week or the week prior but like it was nothing serious it was it's kind of crazy that's so scary yeah it's just like life can change like yeah yeah like get routine checkups whatever you can no seriously yeah yeah no i know my family We, uh, make sure they all make me, uh, do like blood work. Like, yeah, like regularly every year. Yeah. Or like Pernovo that, that MRI machine. Yeah. Yeah. No, I haven't done it yet. You should do it. You would do a great ad for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're very good at ads. Oh, thank you. Hire him, people.

Thank you. So are you like full time influencing right now? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about saying it? Like, I'm an influencer. I don't say I'm an influencer. What do you say you are? Content creator? No, I also don't say that. What do you say? I do stuff on Instagram. I shake my ass on TikTok. Yeah.

It's hard. Those words are hard. It's tough. Yeah. It's tough. I try to say to people sometimes. I try to make people laugh online. What do you say on like for a date if somebody doesn't know you?

I say I post stuff on social media and try to make them laugh. Aw. Yeah. That's cute. I mean, that's what I try to do at the end of the day. Do you care about like views and likes and engagement? or do you... No, I mean, it's nice.

Like, no, but you get wrapped up in it. Like, everybody cares, but are you like, you do this video, you put effort into them too, right? You'll, like, edit them, whatever, I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's, you know, surprisingly, it doesn't take that long. It really doesn't. And most of my stuff is, like, very, like, spur in the moment. And it, like, happens, like, in real time or, like, Andrew will, like, have his phone out.

And, like... How are you and Andrew such soulmates? You know, I don't know. I think about that sometimes because I'm really lucky to have in my life. He's been always such an optimistic person, and, like, I've never really seen him upset and, like, really get, you know, anything past, like, an hour or two, like, he gets over. And, like, with him, he's just, like, he's always, like, he's always up. And it's always nice to be in somebody's presence like that. Why do you get down a lot?

No, I think in the past, I have. I think I've always been, like, extremely hard of myself. I think that this year, especially, I try to wake up every morning. Do you a gratitude journal or something? No, I just. Okay, Greg, that would have been taking it. Yeah. What are you doing in the morning?

No, I feel I sound like such a loser right now. I just try to, I don't gratitude journal, but I think I just like try to say in my head or like even like out loud, maybe a whisper. Like, thank you. Thank you. And I'm grateful for today. Like I have so much in life that I should be grateful for. I have so many great friends, you know, stuff along that. And like I think it's helped, you know, change me a lot this year.

The gratitude, like gratitude. Like gratitude. Like I think like at. at first, like, I thought that it was, like, so cliche and so weird, but I think that, like, you can at least train your mind into, like, learning that, like, you are grateful and are thankful for everything in your life. Yeah, even if it's, like, not the journal or a whisper, even, like, just, just self-talk in your brain. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. You can do it in many ways. Were you nervous about the TikTok ban because of your... No, honestly, I really wasn't.

You weren't? No, I mean... Were you thinking of doing the secret thing that everybody did? What was it called Red Note? Well, no, they were doing. Was it that it was called Red Note? Oh, no. People were doing because they thought Tick-Stock would close. It was like a trend where they were saying like something wild.

You missed that? Oh, oh, no, no. Yeah, yeah. No, I wasn't thinking about that. So you wouldn't care. If it got banned? Right. No, I mean, I try to believe that everything will work out in life.

So I'm just like... See, weren't crying on the app? I wasn't, no. Okay, good. Yeah. Are you going to do anything with these acting chops? I feel like I've seen the comments on your TikToks. And aside from like, Greg, like, Daddy or like whatever, they're like, Daddy.

They're like, go act. You're so good at this. Yeah. People say. Are you doing auditions? Are you trying to like, do some? I've never been an audition in my life. What?

Yeah, no. Why? I think that. a lot was going on post-school that, like, I just never gave it a shot. Give it a shot. Yeah, maybe. Who knows? Maybe down the road.

Well, you have a team. And I do have a team. Have them start getting you, like, sending in auditions. Yeah, I mean, we went on a meeting recently just for, you know, stuff maybe in, like, more of, like, the creative realm, not necessarily acting, but just, you know, more stuff. You know, like hosting or something? Maybe. Maybe.

Who knows is what I have to say? Who knows? I just, I don't leave it. You're 33, you turned. 32, 31. No, I just turned 23. I'm just joking. No, I'm 31.

31? Uh-huh. Huh. Why? No, because I thought you were born in 93. Right. Yeah. That's 31?

Yeah. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. So you're turning 32, like in June. Yeah. Okay. Where did you think you would be at 32? Like, oh, man, I thought I was going to be married.

With kids. Yeah. I was kids, yeah. I thought I would have had, like, two kids by now. Do you want three? Like you were telling me before your siblings have three kids.

Yeah. Yeah, I would like to have something close to the household I grew up in. I loved, I mean, four is a lot at the end of the day, but I loved having... You were four siblings?

I'm the youngest of four, yeah. Oh, wow. I would like to have a couple kids. Yeah, I always think it's funny when on The Bachelor they talk about having kids and the number they would want. Yeah, what do people say like six?

Even though I just asked that, I know it's ridiculous. But, yeah, They'll say like five or six or whatever. And I'm like, have one first. Yeah. Let's talk later. No, seriously.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to put too much pressure in my life at this point. I think it'll all work out. And with like the right person, we'll figure it out eventually. We'll be right back after the break. You guys, I've been waiting for February because I just have had nothing to watch recently on television.

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I mean I'm trying to figure that out this year you want to maybe buy something yeah I mean it's always been a goal of mine to at least like have a house like near my family they're all at down at the beach in Jersey oh cute so like it would be nice to at least like have a home there that like I can go to even in the summers or something we were talking before how you lived in Chicago for six months with Andrew yeah was that like a trial where you're like let me see if I like it in Chicago. Like, maybe I'll move here. No, I wasn't necessarily trial. I think that I just kind of, I've been in the East Coast for so long. I think I just needed to do something for myself. I do want to talk to you a little bit about The Bachelorette. Shoot. Just because I did,

I was watching then. I don't watch anymore. Do you watch the show? You know what? I actually watched last night for the first time and I don't know how long. Was it the premiere? Yeah. Of Grant. Yeah. How did you do? I thought you did well. Yeah. I thought you agreed. Would you be the Bachelor? I'd be the bachelor. They wouldn't ask me to be bachelor. Why? I think that it's, uh, it's been like, you know, four years at this point.

Let me tell you something, Bachelor franchise. It would be smart. Not only Greg, but like a lot of people are like me where we stopped watching after like Clayton, okay? I don't know why. No offense, Clayton. Yeah. But like something happened there when the two girls, what season was the two girls or the two

guys? Oh, Gabby and Rachel. Which, like, love them. Yeah. But I didn't watch. I was like, they're so cute. didn't watch. Right.

Something happened after Clayton or Colton. No, Clayton, I watched. Anyway, something happened where I know a lot of people fell off. And it's kind of like I miss the days of The Bachelor where we knew all the people. Like, obviously, I knew you. I knew Andrew. We know Katie. We know, like, Matt and Rachel, they just broke up.

We all know their story. I feel like today, if a couple broke up from, like, Grant season, not as many people would know because people kind of fell off. So it actually would be smart of the Bachelor franchise to bring back a Bachelor slash bachelorette, like an oldie but goody. An oldie but goody. Yeah. So, but would you? I'm not saying what they ask you, but would you?

Hmm. I mean, that's an interesting question. It would be interesting. I mean, I think that if I were to do something like that, I would like it to be announced earlier just so, like, people can know who they're going on for. You know, I wouldn't want to be a surprise to anyone. Yeah.

And, like, I would want to have people genuinely there for me. Yeah. I mean, if I'm single. Like, did you imagine Greg being like, Are you here for the right reason? Do you hear it was me and then sign up? I need to know. No, I would just want people to...

It makes sense. I've always wondered that as a viewer, like, but do they know? Do they know it was her? Sometimes I remember us cluing in because they would say, like, when I heard it was you, I blah, blah, blah. But it's like, when you heard it was you, you were excited, but you had already applied no matter who it was. So do you know if they do they do that on some seasons yes and some seasons now or they don't

do that at all? Like, tell the people. I feel like when they sign up I feel like they rarely announced early yeah

yeah they they didn't tell me at all who was they wouldn't tell me and so you didn't know I had no idea and then eventually I was in

when I was in New Mexico I looked out my window and they were like filming something out with Katie and I was like oh it's Katie

great oh really yeah yeah okay so let's go back you were doing the Meryl Streep School of acting

I was in the Meryl Streep School of acting yes and you said you did the year really seriously And then everything happened with your dad. And then I was working two different jobs.

I was working at Mondo for a few months. And then I made the switch over. And I was marketing for an agency. I was running like social media and backend stuff for a documentary called Fantastic Fungi. And so I was working with. Yeah. So I was working with them on that.

And then eventually I was working with them for like, I don't know, nine months. And I got that call to go on. That's about the mushrooms, right? Yeah. I might have a girl for you. Oh, is that right? That's obsessed with that.

Oh, cool. And, like, she's so cute. Oh. And you worked on it. Mm-hmm. And I feel like that's, you know who it is? She was a guest. She loved the fun guy.

Imagine that. I'd be like, how awkward am I? I know somebody who worked on the fantastic fun guy, and he's cute. Would you want to date him? Like, that will be my opener. Yeah. Anyway, so you worked on the fantastic fun guy then. Yeah, and then I got the call to go on.

But who applied? Well, I got called for a couple different seasons at first. Yeah, like called for it. Because they saw your social media or what? My sister Samantha submitted me. She loves the show. And so she submitted me back in the day. And I was in school.

It was my first year. And I got an L.A. number randomly. I was like sitting in between classes. And I picked up and like I hung up because I thought somebody, I thought it was my friends pranking me. Yeah. And then they called me back. And they were like, no.

like this is serious like would you like to talk and what was I 24 25 at the time and I sent them an email back and I was like this isn't the right time I was like I'm in no shape like ready to get engaged or anything at this point and then they called me back two years later and it was for I didn't know at the time but then it was like for Claire Crawley season and I almost did it I mean they came to my house and everything to film stuff and then I went there and then COVID hit and then I had to go home and then I just did clear crawley season you were like How old? Gosh, what was I?

26. Uh-huh. Yeah. And then I didn't do it. And she was like 40, no? Yeah. Yeah. And you didn't know that?

No, I had no idea prior. Okay. And then they were like calling people back to go on after like they announced us, announced the cast. I was talking to the producers. I was like, I got to be honestly, I don't think she's going to like me. Why did you think she wouldn't? I just, I just felt like still like a little boy at the time.

Honestly, I really did. Yeah. And I was like, there's no way that she's a woman. Yeah. No, I was like, there's no way. And, like, I don't feel like I had my life together settled at that point. Like, I didn't feel confident enough to walk in there. Yeah.

And I just feel like we were set different stages. And I just wanted to have happened. And then I just, it just stopped. And then eventually it was, it was so weird. It was the night of my dad's passing that they called back, December 30th. You mean like a year later? Yeah, a year later. And it was on the day of his passing.

And they called back. And I told them, I was like, I don't know if I am ready for this. And then they're like, we really, really think that this girl, like, you'll like a lot. And I was like, thought about it with my family and stuff. My mom saw this medium, like, the following week. And she was like, and for your son, she was like, anybody with the name of blank that, like, I would like ring a bell for him or like something along that nature, something, I keep on getting this name for him.

And it was the producer that called me. And I was like, that's so weird. I was like, that was so weird that that name got brought up out of everyone's name. Yeah. And I said, fuck it, why not? Yeah. And I went on.

Hashtag no regrets? Yeah, hashtag no regrets. Okay. So I looked at this like compilation of your time there today. Even though I was very much in the season, as you know, I was still watching. And somebody said something on TikTok so smart, which that rarely happens. Yeah. But they were like, the word, because I always say this today, there are so many buzzwords

that go on, right? People say gaslighting, toxic, narcissists, all these words. I feel like Katie brought the word gaslighting back or to the forefront with you. Yeah. That was, word was everywhere. Yeah, that was an interesting time. How did you, so watching it back, you said I love you, she was kind of not saying anything. You wanted more. Then you stormed off. People found out you were in the Meryl Streep School of Acting. Yeah. They were like, that was all an act. He wanted out.

Yeah. And there was big. And then the gaslighting. He was got. People thought you were gaslighting because she was like trying to like calm you down. And you were kind of saying like, this isn't enough. Like you're not saying what I want to hear. Yeah.

I think that, you know, even like looking back on it. Like I think. Four years. Yeah. Yeah. I think that I even like back then like put too much stake in other people to like. Because I remember, I say even during it, like, you, like, filled, like, a hole. And, like, I shouldn't, like, even back then, like, I was, like, relying on people to make me happy, like, which wasn't healthy.

But, like, I think I just, at the end of the day, I threw a hissy fit at the end of the day. You were into her, though, for real. Oh, yeah. You, like, loved her at the time. Yeah. Yeah. Without a doubt. You what?

I said, without a doubt. Oh, without a doubt. I mean, I was on the plane. And I think she was really into you, too. You didn't sense it. Like, because I think. Maybe the viewers got so mad because we're like, Greg, she's obsessed with you. Like, how don't you see it?

Like, you're in this moment saying like you're not saying it back. But, like, as a viewers, we kind of knew like you were her frontrunner. Yeah, I mean. But you didn't feel it? It was a tough situation. It was really tough. I, it's not that it's, I mean, we just. You threw a hissy fit.

I threw a hisy fit. Because you didn't hear what you wanted to. Not that it was also like a gut feeling that I had. I was like, I just, something about it just really didn't feel right to me. And I remember getting on the plane like an hour after because I got flown out, like, literally. I didn't even have any time to like process or think. And I went on literally like the next flight out. And I remember being in the airport being like, holy shit, like that I just really like mess this up.

Like I was trying to be like, hey, like, can you guys contact me if anything? Would love to maybe speak with her. And I just, I mean, I didn't hear back. And she hated you. Yeah, I mean. She roasted you at the reunion. She was waiting for that moment. Yeah.

The reunion was, it was, it was, I felt like I was, especially with like the crowd and everything, like, you walk into that place. You, like, feel like you're in like the hunger games for a second. I just, I was like, I was like, I was like. So how did you get through it? Because so many people experience this, like, especially on social media, even without being on a reality show, right? When everybody just comes for them, how did you deal with it and, like, get through it? it because you got through it. You're here today. Like we said, most people aren't talking about this anymore. So how did you do it? I spent a lot of time with like my best

friends and my family. I just tried to stay offline. I mean, I also didn't have TikTok at the time. So I feel like people were like dissecting everything on TikTok. So like not having TikTok, I think was really good for me at that point. And I also were like reals even like a thing back then. Yeah, no, we weren't making real. And so like I think it was just different back then with social media. So I really, I really, like, wasn't seeing it as much. It was like, me and my story being like, so Greg went to the marriage man. Yeah. No, seriously. So I was like, don't look up Amanda. And yeah, I kind of just like, kind of just try to distance myself on social media. Yeah. And just try to stay close to my friends or family. But like, honestly, even like going out was a little

brutal because I would always like get chirped always. People would say stuff to you. I mean, people were really sweet also. But then there was also like another side that like people would like, you know. We're upset. Yeah. They would like rip me apart in the street. We, we, We, like, hashed it out over, like, a DM, I want to say, like, a month after, and, like, we squashed it. Yeah? Yeah. You're all good. So you're saying, Bachelor, maybe.

Bachelor in Paradise, for some reason, Andrew went on, but you didn't go on. Yeah, no, I didn't go on. Why? I also didn't feel like I was ready back then. I really don't. I really don't. I just felt like it was still, like, so fresh. I also didn't feel, like, I didn't feel, like, stable enough, like, in my own life to go back there.

I really feel like I let everyone's, like, opinions back. then really affect me, and I'm glad that I took time off. I'm really glad. Would you date anybody from the Bachelor world? You guys love, like, that Bachelor Ancest. If the right one was around? Yeah. Yeah, I mean... I'm sure you get a gazelle DMs. A gazelle? A gazelle. I love when you do this. Like, more DMs on TikTok or more DMs on Instagram? I don't even know how DM on TikTok work. Like, I feel like it's less of a thing, or is it a thing? I think that, yeah, no, you can DM you on TikTok.

I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, you don't check. No, I mean, there, there's more on Instagram. Nobody ever really shoots me a DM on TikTok. So DMs on Instagram. TikTok, TikTok, TikTok DMs are weird, I've seen. Yeah. They're like a really weird DMs. Yeah.

They're strange. Wait, so DMs on Instagram, like, are girls throughout, are there nudes? Are they asking you out? I honestly don't know if there's news or not, because like, if they're, there's like a photo like a right you can click like i just i'm not gonna do that yeah i'm not i'm not checking okay i'm not checking because i remember back like when i was like first experiencing the show i would like like like what's this photo i was like oh shit really so there were then well like it wouldn't just yeah it was just it was it was interesting wow it was interesting and like

i would just be like oh gosh like they just saw that i just opened that i'm just gonna so like it at least no i i i didn't want to you left a nude on red i come on i i i just uh oh that would hurt Imagine being that girl. No, right, maybe. Or no, I think I might have said thank you. Oh, that's nice. Thank you for this. Thank you for this.

Wait, so how many DMs of girls hitting on you a day do you get? Oh, God, hitting on me a day. I don't check every day. Yeah, I don't know. I mean. Have you ever gone out with somebody who had DM'd you? Yeah, there's been a girl that I was going out with, yeah. But like a fan?

No, she wasn't. She wasn't a fan. For sure. I was going to say for surezies, but I don't want to use more slang today. No, she definitely wasn't a fan. Really? She didn't know who you were? No, I mean, I think that she just, she's probably, I don't know.

I don't know either. I have no idea what you're saying. I don't think that she was a fan. I think that she watched the show maybe. That's why she followed me, but she probably hung out with way cooler people than. Then you? Yeah. Really?

So I was like, oh. Do you slide into people's yams? Maybe like... Rarely. Really? Yeah, rarely. So how do you meet the ladies when you do? Well, I'm not in the apps.

You're not in the apps. I haven't been on apps for years. So when you go on dates, how do you meet them? I meet them in the wild, honestly. Really? Yeah. You hit on girls? I wouldn't say I hit on girls.

I mean, like, if you're at a bar and you meet them in the wild, how does the interaction occur? Because you don't even say hi to people like me. Hey, you know what? No, I'm just saying. No, no, like, yeah. And I'll say, hey, you know what? Like, do you come here often? You'll say that.

You'll do like a little awkward thing. I mean, it might be awkward. Yeah. But yeah, maybe usually it's like a little funny exchange. And I'll be like, how about you and I get a drink one night? And then boom. That's cute. That's cute.

I forget if you were like funny on that season. I don't think that. I don't think I was. I was labeled as a sad boy, which like I. Oh, but that's with them knowing everything that had happened, that's a weird label. Yeah. I mean, I think that I just have, and like people come up to me sometimes, like if I'm like a restaurant or say a bar sometimes. And like it's happened all throughout my life ever since college. People will be like, what's wrong? Because you have, I know, my sister has the same face. It's like a worried face. I'll be like, what do you mean? Nothing's wrong. Nothing's wrong. It's something wrong with you right now. Does your face look like a little like? No, I know. And I think it's just I think it's just like my face when it settles. I think that like I just may be. That's just my. my face. I just look, I just look sad, maybe, but I get it all the time, all the time.

That's annoying. Yeah. In patronation news, Matt James and Rachel Kirkano broke up. Do you see he posted the breakup thing? I saw, yeah. What did you think of it? I thought, I mean, I was shocked. I don't know them or follow either of them, but like I obviously saw, I feel like everyone was talking about it. Do you have any tea that you'll tell me after? I have zero tea. Seriously? I'm not kidding you. I have zero tea. When you and Victoria broke up, Did you do an announcement? It was like a slow kind of thing. Like, I think that people were dissecting for a while that like we've been.

I think I even dissected. That we've been broken up. And we both just like kind of like. So you didn't do an announcement? No, no. Did you think to maybe do one? Well, I went on a podcast and like Jason asked me if I was single. Oh, and we were broken up at that point for a couple months.

And like it was just, yeah, it was like a slow burn type of thing. like in terms of like announcing something. Like, yeah. Are you on good terms? Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Will she like your TikToks?

Oh, no, no. We don't like talk or anything, but like we wish the best for each other. And like I know that she wishes the best for me as well. And like I wish the best for her. But like, no. If you see her with another dude, would you be jelly? Oh, no. No.

Not anymore. Yeah, no. What's a non-popular opinion that you have that would piss people off? I like pineapple and pizza. For real zies. For realzies. Like you order it on the reg? No, no.

I got introduced to it like a few years ago, and I don't mind it. I like it. I like it. I'm a sweet and salty. What's like a pop culture hot take that you have? Pop culture hot take. Like, do you follow, like, the pop culture news? Not really.

Okay, so let's do a more fun game. Okay. Who would you rather date? Only three I'm going to give you. Oh, boy. Okay. Rachel Corconnell or Kaylyn Brist. Oh, you're a messy one. Oh, you are a messy one. Oh, God. I mean, that's interesting. I'm buddies with Jason.

So, Rachel, slide in. Yeah. Yeah, so Rachel. Yeah, I guess. I guess. Paige DeSorbo, who's also single now. Yeah. Or Sierra from Summerhouse. I think they're, I haven't met Paige. Sarah's really cute. I've met her before. I could see Sierra falling for Greg. But I also have never met Paige. But Sierra was really cool. Sierra. Sarah. Sarah. Okay. Daisy Kent or Maria Gior, Gus. Yeah, I, I, I, who are they?

I'm just joking. I plead the fifth with that one. Oh, you plead the fifth. Why? I just, I don't know. You can't decide? No, they both are, they both are great. I both met them.

They're, they're really cool. Okay. So let's react to some thirst comments from your tiki-talkie. Oh, you got them? Got some. Okay. Day seven of me asking Greg Gripo to get drinks with me and my friend on the Upper West Side. Day seven?

She's been trying with seven days. Holy shit. She's in New York City? I mean, she's on the Upper West Side. Maybe I just surprised them. Yeah, maybe tell, I have an idea for you, girl. Tell him where. Be like Jacob's Pickles.

I don't know what's on the Upper West Side. Yeah, I would go. Just tell him where. We'll make it happen. I don't know what looks better. the food or you. Okay. That's our reaction.

That's a sweet one. That's really sweet. Well, I wonder what the food was. I know. I wonder, too. Do you post good food? I don't know. I don't do food content.

I fear this is my exact type. That's really sweet. Yeah, that is sweet. That's sweet. So passionate, so complicated, so Greg. Wow. I think they hit the, I think they hit the nail right on the head with that. That is so you.

I like that she said that. I thought that that was very original. I have one that's kind of like what I said, but like I didn't say it romantically. Like she's obviously saying it. Yeah. It's so cringy. It's not cringe because it's you. Oh, see, I like that.

But it's so true. Like it's, if you could teach a class, it would be in that. It would be cool to, you know, be a professor one day. And like, yeah, it would be cool. Yeah, who knows? I'll tell you if you have. ever get cringy. Yeah, please do.

I will. Please do. Because I see some bachelor guys and I'm like, oh. And I don't doubt that you tell me. I will. Yeah. I will. Mix of Ryan Gosling and Chris Olson.

Oh, I told him Kieran Culkin. Was that when we were on air? So I told you Kieran Culkin because I told you that during the season, I thought you were Jewish. I'm like a nice Jewish boy from New Jersey and then found out you were very not Jewish. But you were saying you get that from a lot of people, the Jewish boy vibes. Yeah, yeah. I do a lot, but the Kieran Colkin wants, I feel like it just started happening.

Because he's like back really in like limelight. That makes sense. So you're both like, you know, having. Who's Chris Olson? He does a lot of ticsics with like Megan Trainor or something. Oh, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. I know you're talking about.

Okay. It's random. But they also said thought this was Army Hammer. Oh, wow. Do I look like Army Hammer? Maybe like. You said, kind of? I mean, it's a compliment.

He's very handsome. He's very handsome. Somebody said, weird way to propose, but I do. No. That's funny. That actually is funny. So when should we pick out rings? Wow.

Wow. Moving fast. Yeah. I wonder what this feels like. Like, so we talked about confidence in high school and stuff. Does this give confidence? Does this make you a confidence person? You know, I wonder.

I think in the beginning stages of social media, And when I first started posting, I think that I let everything get to me, the highs and the lows. And so now I think I've reached a point where, like, I try to not take any stake into, like, really either. That's smart. Because, like, I just, you don't want to rely on people for that or to, like, get, like, you know, some serotonin or. It's true. And so, like, I. Because if you live off of that and then the tide's turn, it could kill you.

Exactly. So I just, I think it's funny. and, you know, I, but I definitely try to not, you know, let it affect me. Okay, good. We don't want that head getting too big. I know, I know. With the sad face and the big head. I actually do have, I do have a massive, like, actual head.

Like the cap size, I have to, like, go to, like, the last stitch on, like, a snapback. Really? Yeah. It's a big head? Yeah, I have a noggin. And you know men's heads sometimes as they age get bigger, like, you guys, before you shake your head. Leonardo DiCaprio thick ass head

Val Kilmer thick ass head damn I'm gonna really have a massive We need to make sure it doesn't I can't do anything for that Right I don't know I don't know

If they haven't done anything And their heads grew Like there's definitely I don't have access I don't have access to that You guys seriously now At home Think about all the actors you know With big head syndrome

That occurred as they age. And you will be like Amanda. You're so smart. Greg, thank you for coming on. Thank you for having me. I love how this is Kisman. It happened. Even Regina works when he knows because I always love your content and what you put out

and I think you're so funny. And this kind of happened. Yeah. I was like, oh my God. Hello, God is listening. Yeah. So I love that. No, I love that too. I'm happy that we finally met. Me too. And I will say hi next time. I see you. Thank you. You better. And you too. I will. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big virtual smoocheroo. Thank you guys so much for listening. And I'll see you next Tuesday.

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