Not Skinny But Not Fat - Hilaria Baldwin: How is Being Bilingual a Bad Thing?

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

Hilaria Baldwin is here!!!! And yes, I tell her how I was obsessed with her story back in 2020. OG’s know this is a dream guest full circle moment!! We talk navigating life after the “scandal,” the story behind the accent, getting on Dancing With the Stars, making her kids proud and how Alec is handling it all!This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Ebay.com – things people love.Keep it classic and cozy this fall cool—with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to Quince.com/notskinny for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/NOTSKINNYVisit CleanSimpleEats.com - https://glnk.io/73q00/NOTSKINNY20 - and use code NOTSKINNY20 at checkout for 20% off your FIRST order PLUS free shipping.Earn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home, by going to joinbilt.com/notskinny. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you.Curious about ByHeart? Head to ByHeart.com and use code NOTSKINNY30 to save 30% off your first subscription order for a limited time. ByHeart is also available at Target, Walmart and major retailers nationwide. Check us out in stores today! Additional terms and conditions apply.Simplify your kids mealtimes. Go to littlespoon.com/NOTSKINNY and enter our code NOTSKINNY at checkout to get 50% OFF your first Little Spoon order.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey guys, happy, happy Tuesday. Today we have a very special episode. So I'll keep this intro short and to the point because this is going to be a steak emoji kind of situation. This is going to be like a man. What? I had to be very honest with this guest right when we started the pod because I, on one hand, she was on my wish list. Legit. Like right under, you know, Britney Spears, Lena Denham, Haley Bieber, whoever else I have on there. Good stuff. there. Good stuff. She was on it. I called her HB2. In 2020, when the scandal broke, I called her HB2. I went in deep and I went in big. In a very, like, entertaining way, I was

postpartum. I was looking for something to focus on that wasn't COVID. And this gave me kind of life. It was interesting. It was scandalous and was fascinating. And I've always been fascinated by her. And that's why she was on my wish list. For those who don't know who HB2 is and aren't, oh, I see you. Okay, I see you. Late bloomers. I'm, of course, talking about Hilaria. Motherfucking Baldwin. Yes, Hilaria Baldwin is on the podcast today. She's competing on Dancing with the Stars. She is with Glebe and a partner, which, you know, is a whole other story. She's obviously married to Alec Baldwin. She obviously had that big scandal surrounding her Spanish accent back in 2020. And, you know, the first thing I do here is delve right into that.

and, you know, give her my honesty, which is, like, I was in on it. I was, I was enjoying the ride and I was fascinated by whatever was going on. Obviously, we'd talk about much more than that, but, you know, OGs, no, this is a big, this is a big one. This is a big one.

So super excited to have you guys here, my episode with Ilaria Baldwin and Amanda. That's me. I speak Spanish too. I'm just saying. So we're in L.A. Right. And this is like such like a last minute, crazy adventure that I decided to drag my family on.

And so then, you know, we had to figure out schooling. And so they're homeschooling. And it's also my now three-year-old to cry. Oh, my God. She's goes so grown birthday today. So it's like just like a crazy day. And then I have, I know. And I practice later.

So we're like, how about it's just like all the shuffling together. But that means a lot. Well, soon as, you know, when you reached out to me on Instagram, I was like, oh, my God. I was so excited to do this. because, you know, the conversations you have on here are really honest and such, like, a woman to woman, really strong conversations that are very needed right now. Well, I'm so happy that it worked out. And, like, again, honestly, like, this is my wish list. But I want to be honest because I'm an honest girl.

So I'm going to be honest with you that I was kind of obsessed with your story in 2020. Not in a mean way, okay? And, like, I was at home. I just had a baby. It was 2020. When was your baby born? In COVID. We have a when.

Because I had babies in COVID too. So when was, when was the... Oh, he was August 2020. When was yours? August 2020. So I had one September 8th, 2020. I mean, I've had one every single year since the beginning of time. But so you had, August what?

August 5th, 2020. And you had September 8th, 2020. So when did everything start? Oh, New Year, like December 2020. Mm-hmm. December. Because it was Amy Schumer who posted the thing and then it spiraled. And I just owe you that to tell you that I was very interested in this whole story back then. So I wanted to be honest with you about that and tell you that I was. I think everybody was very bored and it was COVID. I feel like I feel like there was very bored in COVID. I mean, you know, I actually write a lot a lot of about it in my book. I don't know if you've had a chance to read my book. And it's, you know,

I talk about it and sort of, it's a very sort of long form thing. And, you know, I mean, it's one of those kind of, I look back with much more of a sense of humor than I did at the time. I was just kind of be like, I think these were just bored. And there was a lot of, you know, misinformation out there. And yeah, so I mean, I don't quite understand the, the Amy Schumer aspect of it. I've never met her, actually. No, I think it was that she tried to be funny. She wasn't, she wasn't poking fun at you or your accent or the Spanish or anything. She posted, you posted maybe like a photo of a photo of you. She posted, well, I was working. I mean, I was doing a brand thing and I was talking about, you know, and also, you know, one of the things that's been really important for me,

and I like to think that I was a part of is sort of talking about how, you know, the postpartum body and how it's, you know, I remember, do you remember when Kate Middleton came out after the birth of their first child? and it was right before I think I had Carmen, my first child. And she had a, like, I think she was wearing a blue dress. And she had like a bump still. And I was pregnant. And I, like, it never occurred to me before because I did zero research when I was pregnant that I was going to have a bump after I gave birth.

Right. And like, it was just like, like, like, and of course you, of course you do. Like, it was like, again, this is such like an Ilaria moment of just like, oh my God, I don't think things through. I'm just like, what this is going to be. And then I became, as a fitness instructor, I became sort of fascinated with the transformation of the body and how it kind of, you know, the woman's body is just incredible. So, you know, I started posting photos throughout pregnancy with my first, not at all, because

I was so, like, young and shy and like, oh, my God, what's happening? How old were you when you got pregnant with Carmen? So I met Alec when I was 27. I got pregnant late when I was 28, like towards when I was 23. 29. I had her on at 29. And again, like, I mean, joining this world, you know, that you just touched on a bit when I'm 27 years old and I just meet Alec and I met somebody who hasn't always had like the most warm and fuzzy relationship with the tabloid media. And I, I, nothing could have prepared this like yoga teacher who everything is like, rainbows and sunshine and namaste and

I want everybody to breathe in and feel good about themselves for being swept up into that world. Now, a lot of good things. I never want to be that person who's like, oh, my God, it's so hard. No, there's, I mean, there's such wonderful, amazing things. I mean, I get to be here with you. You know, you think yoga teacher, me who's, you know, doing all that you think I would be here with you. No, I mean, this has brought me tremendous amount of privilege to be able to do really fun things, dancing with the stars, our reality show, writing books. I mean, there's been so much wonderful stuff.

But there is a negative side of being, how to, well, you know, being misinterpreted or misconstrued for fun, for people poking fun at you. You know, I remember when we're, like, younger and you ever go to, like, get your nails done and when people would read the magazines, now people look at their phone, but you'd read magazines. And you look over and it's like, look at these celebs in there, cellulite. And look at this. And it was just like, that, like, women's inhumanity to women sometimes. is like such a, such a thing. So, you know, I'm in a place in my life where I just really, anytime there's negativity, just let's go, how can I make other people feel happy? How can I be happy? How can I live with gratitude every single day? How did you navigate that time,

especially now that I'm putting two and two together that you were postpartum? You were postpartum. I think any time you go through something difficult, and I'm very lucky my, I have a wonderful family. My whole family that I come from lives in Spain and we would have long talks and it was great because I couldn't sleep and so I would be talking to my brother because it was six hours later there

and he would kind of laugh and he'd be like, you're talking to me in Spain, in Spanish, about people being offended about your relationship with Spain. Yeah. Just have a sense of humor and my big brother is just very, very special that way. You know, I think that no matter what and whether what I've learned, whether you're in the Hollywood world or you're not in the Hollywood world, I mean, people gossip about everybody

in communities. And I think that the more that you can get connected with yourself, what's actually true, tune out the noise and lean into your community. I mean, I'm so close with my family. And, you know, maybe my family looks differently than other people's families, but it's still valid and it's still who we are. And, you know, I'm very proud to be raising my children bilingual. One of the reasons that they're doing homeschool is I send them to an immersion school in New York. And so coming here last minute and trying to find a similar program that would be compatible was

difficult. So we were fortunate enough. Are they all in school now? The baby is not in school. Okay. Okay. Because that's so many people to schedule. Yeah. It's a lot. But, you know, I mean, I think, you know, this is, you know, this is a time in my life to kind of just, you know, move on and everybody now can look around and say, am I going to lean into negativity or am I going to lean into just, I'm going to go live my life and be happy. And most of the time, what people get sort of worked up about is just. Did you feel like you had to change, well, now because you're also, I mean, you had the show and now dancing with the stars, did you feel like you had to like change anything about

yourself so people aren't talking? Like, I know that you wrote that you did some like annunciation classes or something. Yeah, so I have ADHD and dyslexia. And that is a big part of how I learn, how I process things. I'm somebody that I'll never order the specials in a restaurant because I can't understand what they're saying to me. I can't either. Oh, no. What does that mean? I can't understand either. I mean, I don't know what that means for you. For me, it means it's processing. I have processing issues. So, sometimes people say things to me and I'm like, I have trouble understanding it. And I think what people sometimes will confuse, yes, of course, you know, I mean, you come to my house and

I'm going to turn to Alec and I'm going to speak in English and then I'm going to turn to one of my children and I'm going to speak to them in Spanish and it's back and forth. And that's how I was raised too. That's the kind of multilingual house I grew up in. And there's nothing wrong with that. Actually, like, I mean, hello, this is like a really good thing. And my daughter now is learning French as well, you know, so she's like, the more. language is the better. And for fun, she's on Duolingo and she's teaching herself Russian and Italian.

I mean, to speak language is such a beautiful thing. It should never be a bad thing. And of course it's going to affect the way that we speak. Of course, of course it is. This is just ABC is about speaking. I have a brain like anyone else. It cannot be different. But, you know, I mean, I am somebody that because of, I think sometimes my processing issues, I can be a little bit, you know, a little bit difference as well. I know school was hard for me, and I had to work really hard. I probably had to work harder than the average person. But I did it. And, you know, writing a book was difficult. Do you speak any other languages? I can speak like words of Russian, like a little bit. Really? Yeah. What about Catalan? What they speak in? Catalana. I can like understand it a little

bit, but I don't speak Catalan. No. No, no. I went to study abroad in Barcelona because I love, I also love Spanish, by the way. Not as much as you, for sure, but I do love Spanish. Let's have in Spanish. Thank you. I really love Spanish, and I studied it throughout my whole, like, high school. Like, I did a study abroad. And then I was like, okay, I want to do another study abroad because I did in Sevilla. And then I wanted to do, and I picked Barcelona, and stupid little old me, didn't know,

then no Spanish. And, like, it sounds like a made-up story, but only when. And I landed there physically for a full semester and I was ready to like Spanish it up. I was like, oh, wait a minute. And it's not the same. No, it's not the same at all. I know. It's not the same at all.

You know, my family lives in Mallorca, where they speak Mayorkin, which is a version of Catalan. So, and my nephew is, my brother has, I've lived most of my adult life here. and he's lived most of his adult life in Spain. And so, and my nephew is born there. And we also are very focused on him being bilingual as well. So he went here, he's 20 years old. But he went to an immersion school with English as well. So his English is very good.

But yeah, no, he also at the same time, he speaks Catalan too, you know. Yeah. Wait, Mayorkeen is a fully other language that you speak. Myirkin is like a dialect of Catalan. So there's like Valenciano, there's Coyurkin, there's like a bunch of I'm not an expert at all of the different places. I went to

Mallorca from Barcelona. It's like a there is like a very touristy area to that to that place, right? Yeah, there's there's, I mean it's a very international school place. There's super international. People are from everywhere. And then yes, there's

the touristy areas. Right. I think I was probably only in the touristy areas where like Which is beautiful too. You know, I mean, every single inch of Mallorca is absolutely beautiful. Is that your home base when you visit that area? Not real. Well, kind of full. First of all, traveling with seven kids is really hard. I don't know. Yeah. So we went to go visit my family in the spring. Alec was doing a movie in Italy. And so I flew over and it was easier. My nephew's in university in Madrid. And so it was easier for us all to meet in Madrid. So my parents flew over

from Mallorca because it would be like fly from Italy to Madrid because there was no direct flights and how we were going and then bring them to Mallorca, it would be like too much with like too crazy, baby boss pulling my hair out on the flight. Wait, who, which one do you call baby boss? The baby. Though she calls

it herself, by the way, this is not something we invented. She made it up all on her own. Did she watch the movie? She has seen the movie and you know her dad is the baby. Duh, yes. Some people don't know. Some people are like, oh my God, what is like?

No, that's why I think it's so funny that you call her baby boss because I saw that you do. Is she the boss of the family? Yes, because she's scary. So funny, Carmen, my oldest, was doing something. They poke at each other, even though they have a big age difference. I mean, they're still siblings. And Carmen has taught her something where she like puts her arm out to the baby's mouth. And she says, okay, now nice.

And she, and then the baby kisses Carmen. and she's like, okay, now mean, and the baby will, like, pretend to bite her. And so she teaches her when she actually's like mad, she's like trying to train her. Like, I'm like, she's not a dog. But Carmen is at that eight, and she's the first. So not only is she a girl, but she's the first girl. And I feel like when there's a household with a first girl, like she's another mommy, no? She is another mommy.

And I feel like that's both a wonderful thing and something where as her mom, I have to remind her. she's a kid. And that's a really important thing. And I think for my kids as well that they've had an unconventional upbringing in many ways, not just, you know, the reality of our life, but, you know, different experiences that we've had going to school and, you know, I mean, anybody knows how many of you guys listening right now can relate that, like, you've had your kids go to school and they come back and they're like, so-and-so's mommy said, blah, blah, blah, too kind of thing, you know, is being able to sort of navigate these things where they feel very protective of our family and very protective of their parents and they want to take care

of us is both a wonderful nurturing thing and at the same time. It's very important for their mental health that we have to keep it within the context of be a child, enjoy, play, have fun, lean into joy. So it's, you know. Because like Carmen completely gets it. Like if she's in it, She's in the know. She can, like, hear stuff, read stuff. Well, yeah, we've just started a podcast. We've recorded some of it already. All of this kind of happened at the same time

that we were going to do the podcast like all of this is Dancing with the Stars has happened. So it's been, you know, a lot of like sort of juggling and reshuffling things. You know, the way that I parent them is understanding that kids get a lot more than we want them to get, right? We never want the kids. We don't want our kids to get hurt by the world. You know, we want them.

to protect them and bubble wrap them. And at the same time, if I try to pretend that hard things aren't happening around us, and that could be within our family, within the world, any of things, they're going to feel like they can't talk about it with me. And so our podcast that we're doing is called Growing Up Together, and it's about understanding that I'm a work in progress. I'm growing up along. I mean, if I think about the mom I was when I gave birth to her to now 12,

years later and all the children and experiences have I had in between, I've done a tremendous amount of maturing. And so I always want her to, yes, of course, I am the mom. There's times when I have to lay down the law, it's time to go to bed, eat your vegetables, do your homework, all that kind of stuff. But ultimately, I want her and my other children to feel that they are respected and that they can live their life with how their soul is. And because I want to always be close to them. I don't want them to turn 18 years old and run away, you know? We'll be right back after the break.

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Carmen's my co-host. Oh. Carmen's your co-host? Carmen's my co-host. Wait, it's you and Carmen doing a pod together? Yes. What? That is adorable.

Are you going to bring guests? Are you going to, or is it just going to be you and her kind of navigating to it? We're going to do guests so far where, you know, I mean, this is a process of, you know, as much as she's, I mean, if you saw her on the reality show, she's like, I'm already. Is she, so is she interested in this world? Like, is she going to, do you think she? I mean, I feel like most kids who are little, they want to be, I mean, my kids want to be yoga instructors and actors. Oh, they want to be like their parents. Because they want to be their parents.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I again think that what we're, what I'm doing with them is embracing the life that they're being raised in, you know? So it's, which is all that you can do. So you would support. You would take to auditions. I mean, we haven't done auditions and stuff like that, but I want them to feel that their voice matters. I want them to be a part of it. When I first gave birth to her, I was super, super protective.

of her image. I was like, I'd get nervous even with like, in an embarrassing way, like, shame on me for doing this. I would be like really scared of people taking pictures who I was very close with of my baby because the world at that point wanted, it was money, her photos were money. And I also, like, joined this world

and I didn't understand anything of like what, like, I knew what a paparazzi was, but I didn't understand. from a lived experience what that life is. And at that point, you know, people were selling photos of their babies for like either the paparazzi gets the money or we, well, what we did with hers is we, I did a photo shoot with People magazine and then I donated all of that money to a group in Mallorca that works with children who have been sexually abused.

So it was a way of, and I did that with all of the children that we did these kinds of photos shoes with. Yeah, and I did it in their name. And it was a way to turn something that felt kind of gross of like your kids' money. Your kid's image is worth money and turn it into something where I could help kids. But there's tremendous stress along with that. Like when Carmen was born, we didn't have, let's see. She was born on a Friday. And I think that the magazine, I could be wrong on, I could.

be wrong on this timeline, so forgive me, because it was a long time ago. I feel like it was like the next week that the magazine came out or a week and a half late or something. Like that was a Wednesday. Because if you don't do it quick, like they could, you're scared that's all get ahead of you. Because they were like getting, it was so toxic. And of course, like, you know, it gets, you know, my husband all riled up about it. And I was so new to the world. And I also just postpartum and I'm getting like chased around, you know, while I'm trying to like figure out how to be a mom. And so I eventually what I started doing is just posting the photo on my Instagram because it wasn't worth the stress of it. Is that scary you at all?

I mean, people have such differentiating opinions on this. Like I post my kids. A lot of people don't post their kids. Even people with no followers, little followers, lots of followers. I mean, people have different opinions. How do you feel about posting them and then being in the reality show? Do you still have like any fears with that? No, the thing is that.

That was how I originally was, a very protective and, like, hiding them and stuff like that. And then Kelly Riepa told me, she's been a really great guide over the years. I love her. I love her. She told me, just post them. Post it all the time. And the bounty goes down. So as soon as that People magazine thing came out of showing her face for the first time,

I mean, it's not that there were no paparazzi, but it wasn't as crazy as it was. Right. Right. And so that's one of the things that I started to do. I had to train myself of like, you know, and you see the other people who are in the spotlight who are very hidden of their kids. They're very protective of them. And that's a bit how Alec was. And good for good for them. I understand that as well. What I found, especially living in New York City, where there's no privacy, is it caused more stress. So what I decided to do was lower the bounty of my kids' images and post them and post them regularly and post them all the time. And then it's not dramatic and then paparazzi like. They can't sell it for as much because all the online magazines are just going to take from my social media because it's free. Right. And so that was a really good piece of advice that was given to me.

And it took me a while to get more comfortable with it and not feel like because people will write to me. How dare you post? Like, again, like, everybody has opinions about everything. Well, it makes you at least second guess. Like, with people's opinions for me, it's like, I'm so naive that if people weren't, like, don't do that. I'd probably post a picture of my kid in the bath. Like, not with showing anything.

But I would be like, he's so cute. He's in the bath. Like, what? Because my mind doesn't go to dark places. You know what I mean? So it's like there's a balance of, like, letting the people kind of remind you, like, not everything because there are. are gross people out there, you know?

Yeah. But, but I also, I'm, like, I like to live life more, like, not thinking of the, the negatives that could come of it and more thinking, like, but this can bring joy. And, like, it makes me happy to share it. Yeah, no, exactly. And you'd be proud of your, look, you're never going to please everyone. When I was teaching yoga all the time, I'd have, like, 70 people in a class was, like, the max capacity.

70? 70. Yeah. How? Where is 70 people in a class in New York? in, well, not anymore because I don't think it didn't. I stepped away from it before COVID and I think it didn't survive through COVID.

But it was like a really fun yoga studio on 12th and university called Yoga Vida. And we would have, we had some fans and you'd have, so I'd have 70 people and somebody would say, can you just crack the window a little bit? So I'd crack it like an inch.

Oh, yeah, I know. And then at certain points I'd put on the fans, and the other person could be like, I can't sweat if it's like this. And then this person's like, I can't breathe because there's no air. And it was like, you just get to a point we were like, I got to teach the class the way that I'm going to teach the class because 70 people are not going to agree on the air circulation of this class.

Wow. And some people are not going to be happy with it. And you take that 70 people in social media is nothing. It's nothing. You've got millions of people coming at you. And so you have to be in the same way. How do I want to do the prep or air circulation of my family? I want to post the photo, post the photo.

I want to, you know, go and do this experience. I want to wear this thing. Go wear this thing. And I think that it really is just leaning into the communities of other people who are going to be like, yes, go live your life. Have fun, you know? Yeah. And that's really the trick of navigating.

I mean, sometimes I need it. Sometimes I'll read a mean comment. I'm like, oh, my God, I'm a minute they can come off a lot of us. And, you know, but all I know is I have to call my phone. friends or my family or something like that and they go like snap out of it you know so deciding to do dancing with the stars did you have moments like that too of like kind of being scared of the public but wanting to go for it or was this a full yes i'm not scared of the i'm not i'm not i feel i feel so confident in who i am and how i am and how i parents no am my perfect no i'm going to get

things run? Absolutely. Are there going to be, it still happens all the time where people completely like make up a story and I'm like, I wasn't even there. You know what I mean? It's just you can't. And at the same time, I'm never going to let that debilitate me ever again. And that's something where when this opportunity came along, and I don't know if you know a little bit about how this opportunity came along. Well, I heard from Julianne Huff that you, manifested this like you you made it so I love I love I love Julian and I don't know where she got that from because I loved it because I saw that too and I was like that's not how it happened but I love that story too I'll actually love that story I wish I had I wish I had manifest so

it was all you yeah it was all I wish I mean I don't know I guess it depends on which way you look at it so I'm new to TikTok I'm brand new to TikTok and I'm trying to figure it out and there's like a lot of dancing and lip syncing and all that kind of And I started like doing the trends and some of them are like samba trends and I danced a million years ago. And people start writing to me, you should be on dancing with the stars. You should be dancing on stars. And because I danced before and I haven't, my connection with ballroom is a little painful because I broke my hip and I didn't ever dance again. So I'm kind of like, I'm always like a fan of the show.

I get like excited to kind of see it, but I haven't really focused on who the contestants are. And I didn't realize that they let dancers on the show. So I always thought this thing like, oh, I can't do this show. That's not like the right fit for me. It's people who've never danced before. Because you technically danced before. Because I danced before. And it just felt like this was probably not a place where I belong.

And for me who has tremendous, you know, issues of belonging, I was like, I don't want to go into a place where I don't belong. Yeah. And then, so this was like late August. I'm just posting these things and having fun. And people are writing Dancing with the Stars, I'm not even like responding to their comments, you know? And then Dancing with the Stars called me out of the blue. They called me. Really?

Yes. And I was like, what is this? And at first I was like, you know, no, you can't do that. And a few days later, I was on a plane. Wow. That quick? Crazy. No, crazy.

Like, stuff that I don't do. Like, I am like a, I'm a mom. We have breakfast, lunch, dinner. We're like, I have to have seven kids. I have to have structure. I'm a little crazy. I've got my things. But, like, ultimately, my home life is like, I'm here.

right so I got my oldest and my youngest to kind of help out with because the other ones were in a day camp but the oldest and youngest were not I brought them out to LA and we did the promos and then we went back and did JMA and then glad my dance partner and I stayed there for like a week and a half and they were I mean dancing with stars is like the most supportive place on the planet they're so supportive but it's that late just in August you found out that I like late late August so this was like and then like a week later or something like that I'm moving seven people, seven children out here, found the house like 12 hours before we moved into it, found homeschool a few days later. It was like they missed a few days of school. Like it was just

this like crazy, crazy last minute thing. So did I manifest it? I mean, I don't know. I think the word was like campaign. And I think it was like I was campaigning. No, but I was like, no, no, I just like, I mean, I wish I had been so like such an advocate for myself because I would have loved to do this sooner. So I love that. But no, it really was just I was playing around. And the people who manifested it were the fans. When you talk to Dancing with the Stars, did you say, like, wait, I thought I couldn't even go on it since I have dance experience. And what did they say? They're like, they're like, look at Charlie DeMilia. Look at all these people. And by the way, like, there's, I mean, there's so many people on this season who have dance experience and, you know,

like Jordan. Right. Whitney is an amazing dancer. Like there's just, there's just such, this is a really, really incredible cast. It really is. I told Julianne when she came on and I kept my promise because I was like, I think I'm going to watch this season. I said,

I think I'm going to watch this season because like there's something about this cast that I think is going to be so good and I watched the first episode as we're recording right now there's only one episode out unfortunately because I want more

but I loved it and Hilara, you killed it. Like you did so good. I posted about it too. you killed it. Whitney was also great. Alex Earle surprised me. I didn't know she was going to be so good. But I was like, oh my God, I'm back in. I'm back in Dancing with the Stars mode. Well, I'm excited. We're going to do another one tomorrow. But it's just, you know, one of the things that I'm so amazed about this experience is how much the dancing with the Stars family. They always talk about as a family. And it really is. I mean, to go from, hey, you belong. Do you want to do this like last minute crazy advice? adventure. And then to go from that to all of a sudden, I'm there. And everybody is nice here.

Like, it's like you look around. You're like, how is this possible that they have? It's a huge production. So many nice people. And then the contestants are all so nice. Even though it's a competitive show, everybody is like such, there's such good camaraderie. Really? I think it's, yeah, because I think we're just doing such physically hard things. And we, we practice every single day. For like, is it eight hours at this point? It's like four or five. It depends on the day. And like if you do less on one day, then you're going to do more in another day.

But on show day, last week I got there seven, like I leave 715 in the morning. And we finished, I mean, I feel like it was like 9.30 p.m., something like that. It's a long day. And your kids aren't used to like not seeing you for that long, I'm assuming. Yeah, that's usually, well, they came. Oh, they came for the show. They came for the show. And they understand, they're so excited.

Like, they're so, my kids are so supportive. And I think one of the other amazing things that Dancing with the Stars has given to my family and I'll forever be grateful for this is this really joyful adventure. Because not only did I need it and reconnecting with dance after, and they're thinking I will never dance again, to my children being able to see their mom real happy. Are you getting emotional? Yes, I mean, it really is, you know? I mean, it's like.

I, my, my kids have had, you know, to watch their parents go through stressful experiences over the past few years. And I, to see my kids who so much, children want their parents to be happy. And I think that we did a pretty good job throughout everything of finding moments where we could really bring joy. And, you know, you go into, like, my thing, I mean, I don't know how their mom's out there, but like I would like need like 30 seconds to cry. And to go into like the furthest bathroom during stressful experiences, scream for like 30 seconds. I come out, I go with my tears, and I'm there. And so to have my kids see me do something that is not only just a fun adventure where they get to go somewhere and have a different

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there is this like TikTok trend that's so sweet that I couldn't execute because I'm not very good at it either. But like, it's like you give your kid the phone and they're supposed to be like filming you, but it's filming them. And you're doing something like silly. or fun. And basically it's showing how your kids kind of beam when they watch you having fun. So it's exactly what you're saying. There's a full trend about this. It's as if you're telling your kid to film you, but they're filming themselves and you see their reaction, like seeing their parents smile and how it makes them smile. So it is really special. So I'm happy that you guys get to have this experience. If you go, I saw a little bit of my kids in the audience,

not just when I was there dancing because I was so focused on the dancing, but like afterwards, what the cameras picked up. And it was just like, I mean, how beautiful for them to see that. And I think as moms, we're always so hard on ourselves about, like, are we just thinking about ourselves? Are we self-centered if we do things that nurture our souls? And what I've learned over there, and I used to very much be like, oh, no, I have to work hard.

I have to be, everything has to be about them. And I realize if I do that, I'm modeling for them a life of that for themselves, which doesn't mean that they don't have all of their needs met that I can meet and take care of them in the best way that I can. But at the same time, having, you know, as we're saying, having our kids see their parents chase passions and joy and smile and laugh is just not only going to make their nervous system happy growing up, but also teaches them. that they deserve the same.

Totally. I told my husband out one week. There was a week where we usually maybe go out like once a week. There was a week where like I had a work event and the next day he was meeting friends. The next day we did a dinner together. And my son was starting to like, you know, be like, oh, again. And I felt bad. But then I told my husband and this was partly me trying to feel better.

But I was like, good. Like he sees that we also have a life and that we want to go out of night and have fun. So I agree with you completely. Yes. How did Alec feel about this? Because I imagine it's a conversation. Like, we're moving seven kids. They're not starting the school year.

You're going to be in the spotlight. Like, he doesn't love it. All of that. No, he, you're kidding me. He loves the spotlight. He loves the spotlight. Well, you were saying, like, paparazzi. Well, he has his, he has, you know, I mean,

Alec has been famous since his early 20s. Yeah. You know, while it can be a lot on his nervous system, it can also, like, he doesn't know anything different. And so he loves to play. I mean, I think the real trick is good attention versus bad attention. You know, of course, like, we all want every, every, it's natural, you know, to be like, I want to come and I want to have fun and let's all be like happy together.

Like, that's the vibe that he wants that I want in a world that is, knows that negativity can sell more than positivity. Right. That's hard when you just are there to be like, we're just here to. to entertain you. I mean, I'm dancing with the stars. Let's bring some joy into this world. Let's dance.

Let's entertain people. This is not just for ourselves. This is to bring joy to other people. So getting back to your question, see, look at my ADHD. No, you did it. Coming back, I'm working on it is he's been wanting me to be on this show for a very long time. Really? Like a very long time.

You need to do it. Yes. And I said to him, like, nobody's going to want to have me there. are there. I'm not going to belong. And so when this whole crazy universe, mystical, twistical, like states come together where, like, people are manifesting it for me online. And I'm like, okay, I'll do another dance. I'll do another dance. And then they're writing, Dance with the Stars, Dancing with Stars, and Calling In. And then, you know, I get connected with Dina Katz and everybody on Dancing with the Stars who are like the most lovely people on

the planet. Alex is just there. He's like, told you so. But why didn't he tried to help? Like, couldn't have he tried to help then? Like, when he wanted you to be honest? Well, first of all, I'm a Capricorn and he's not, if he ever made a call that would make things like easier on me for something, I might just, I would just be like, I would feel like I didn't deserve it. I'm very much like, I'm a hard worker. I want to earn things on my own, on my own merit. I think especially because I'm, you know, anybody who marries a celebrity is going to be accused of being like, oh, but you just get to like, you know, again, there's wonderful things. But it's, right, it makes you feel like you don't earn things, which is just horrible

feeling, especially as a Capricorn, horrible feeling. I know, it drives out, like, one of the things that drives out like crazy is I'm so independent. And I was like, you know, I want to open the door for myself. And he's like, to let me open the, like, even simple things. Like, let me open the door. I'm like, you know, I can do it by myself, okay? No, he's very proud. He's very supportive. Alec is always extraordinarily supportive of me with working. So he was excited when you got the call. He was literally like I told you so. Like I told you. And he won't stop. Every single day he calls me, it's like, I told you so. I told you like it. I told you so. I told you like it. I told you so. But I am happy that I, that it happened in the way that it happened, which was just so

you know. Organic. It was so, thank you. That is the word I've been looking for. So organic. It was so organic. Yes. So thanks to TikTok, if anything. I know. I know. I don't even have that many followers in the grand scheme and things on TikTok, but, and that's the thing with TikTok is I'm like, I don't understand this. And I kind of feel like a little bit of a looser on it because I'll get like, like, it's like 200 likes. I'm like, and I post the same thing on Instagram and my, my following is much more there. But, you know, people say stick with it. People say stick with it. And again, like I also like with like the Gen Z things, like you totally ate that and stuff like people have these. And I'm like, oh my God, I'm like going to mess up words again.

Like I'm going to be like, I'm going to eat something. And I'm like, no, not right in that context. I'm like, oh, you know, like I did see that people are so supportive of you and it made me happy.

Like I saw that since you've been posting about Dancing with the Stars on your Instagram, because that's where I am too. Like, I feel like people seem to be so supportive of you, so happy that you're like living this dream.

So I'm very happy for you about that. And you fucking killed it. And we did talk about this a little bit earlier, which you are right, because when I saw some comments saying, you danced before. So it's like not fair.

immediately there were the other side of things being like, wait, there was Charlie DeMilio, there was Zendaya, like... So apparently, that happens every single year. Okay, there's somebody that has... Yeah, so when it started happening, again, like, my biggest fear was doing this and people being like, you don't belong here.

And I'm like, I just want to dance. You know what I mean? Like, it's not... Like, I just want to dance and I'll work hard. Yeah. And I'll dance. But, like, apparently they're doing the same thing to Whitney. And, like, so she and I'll get together and we're like, yeah, I know.

And you just take. You just ignore it. You just ignore it. Because, again, like, you talk about the positivity. It's like, as it should be. We should be positive about each other. You know what I mean? I'm not the smartest.

I'm the smartest. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Well, I'll come to my brain. Okay, now you get it. I'm not the smartest. I'm not the prettiest. I'm not the most talented.

I'm not the most this, that, and the next thing. But I'm a kind person. And I know that every single day I live my life with kindness and integrity and trying to make sure that I'm, I'm leaving the world a better place. And so I think that being that kind of person throughout the years, and I know that any woman who would have married Alex would have gone through her version of what I went through

and what I've gone through and what still happens. You know what I mean? And because he has this very prickly relationship, and I think he's gotten much better. You know, we had, I won't name the publication this, but like way early on in our relationship, we got a gigantic when he was like really railing against like

whoever is the head of whatever news companies. They gave us a gift basket with derogatory things about his daughter, his about Ireland, and like bumper stickers and everything. I mean like there is so much stuff that happens behind the scenes on like a really like gross. Exactly.

And so that was like the toxicity of it. Is this a publication that you wouldn't talk to today because they did that? I don't want to have that kind of negativity with anyone in my life now. I don't want to be afraid of people. I don't want to. No, I talk to everybody now because I'm not afraid and I'm happy with who I am. And I know it doesn't make it okay. But I know that the things that have happened to me was because I was targeted to try to undermine Alex.

And that's something that I have to separate myself. You know, my mom said to me one time, she said, Is this a problem with Ilaria Thomas or Ilaria Baldwin? It's never a problem before. It's a problem now because it's part of the Baldwin and it's part of the world that I've entered. Yeah. And so I just have to see it with clarity. and I have to wish people well

because I don't want to have any kind of negativity. Even with paparazzi now, even with paparazzi now. You're nice of them. I see that you're like more playful with them. I'm more playful. And you know what? Part of that was that Alec Baldwin taught me how to be a famous person. Like don't sign up for that class anyone.

Not one. This is like not the class you want to sign up for. Because that's not also who I am. I'm somebody that I want to have fun with people. And so this is, I'm in my 40s now, and this is about just being like, you know what, I see you. I'm here. I want to embrace you. I'm not going to be negative towards you. You might be negative towards me. And every single time, I'm going to forgive you. Because when I don't forgive, it's only poisoning my soul. Can I tell you that Ireland, speaking of her, I mean, you know this, she wrote a post that was so freaking sweet about you that I, I reposted. Like, I posted what she wrote and I said, everybody like, read this is so nice.

And when I tell you that I got so many messages telling me like, wow, this made me cry. I know. It was like, I mean. So many people were moved by it. Did that take you by surprise that post? It did. So how she texted me where she was Ireland and Andre and their daughter Holland visited us this summer in the Hamptons. And we had like the best time ever in Holland.

and my baby are the same age, more or less. And one of them is an aunt. Yeah, so my baby, so baby Laria is an aunt to Holland. And they're the funniest. That's going to be a good story. It's a good story. It's really cute. So, and then, like, I don't know about you, but, like, when you look on my camera role,

it's like all my children. Right. And then when Holland is there, it's Holland and all my children, because those are the only thing that matter. And if there's a photo, so Ireland asked me, do you have a photo of the two of us from that time, like more recent time of just the two of us?

And I'm looking and I'm like, nope. It's all the babies. It's literally all the babies. And then like 20 minutes later, this is the night in New York City time, I started getting messages from people. Like, do you see what Ireland's posted? And I was like, no.

And I go on it. I'm like, oh my God. Like, it was such a nice gift because Ireland really knows me and Ireland has really seen me and Ireland has seen how much I care about her dad and her family and her and we've been so blessed to have a wonderful relationship and that's not just being blessed and lucky it's also you know being walking that line of being a stepmom you know and coming into her life when she's 15 16 years old And I was just always very clear that I'm there to be supportive when she needs me.

I'm not there. I told Alec before I met her, I said, if she doesn't like me, I'm not going to stay because I can't hurt a family. And he gets mad. He's all mad at me then. He gets mad at me when I say it now. But like, I really feel that these family unit is the most important thing and always be respectful about her mom.

Always understand that it's Alec, Ireland, and Kent. and I can come in and be a guest. And if I'm welcomed in, wonderful, I'm there. But I have to be strong enough on my own and not come in and, you know, mark my territory and all that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? Like that, that for me is very small. But I was also very lucky that Ireland was extraordinarily welcoming of me right at the beginning. So it was non-issue, but I was very prepared to have it be, you know, this is, we have had a great few months together and I'm going to go. Wow. And then so technically you have eight kids.

I technically have eight kids. I know. We always, oh my God, it was so funny. When she was younger, we went to get, the only time I've ever been to tanning booth, she really wanted to go tanning. And obviously I got her parents permission. And it was, I think right after we got married or it was like for our wedding. Wait, how old is Ireland now? So Ireland's 11 years younger than me. So Ireland's about to be 30. Yeah. So we go to this tanning place in the village around the corner from our house. And she's six foot two. Ireland's really tall. And I'm... She's literally... She's actually six foot two. She's actually six foot two. And I am like almost five foot three.

I round up, but I'm almost five foot three. So we're like, it's a very funny... Wow. My dark hair and she was blonde at the time. And so we go in and she needs parent permission. And she's like, well, this is my mom. And I'm like... And so I do, but we're like, she would really like make fun of it for a long.

time in a cute way in a really cute way. But no, we are very lucky to have a good, a good relationship. Our whole family, and she's such a good sister. And, you know, I mean, I think, again, you talk about negativity and. Why do you think she felt that, though? Like, it wasn't your birthday, right? It wasn't. So what do you think propelled her to post it that day? Did you ask her? I think people in my life, whether it's Ireland, my parents, my brother, my best friends, my husband, there is a desire. to protect me because I protect all of them. And I think that, you know, anybody, when you love somebody and you see that people say

things, it breaks your heart. And you see how people have going, you get misinterpreted and misconstruing. You just want to, like, shake people and be like, you don't know this person. This is a whole human being. And so I make, first of all, she's the biggest fan of Dancing with the Stars. Talk about number one. She's like my dance mom now. She's like, what do you wear and say?

what's it going to be? What's the nail color? Oh, yeah? So she is, like, very excited about this. She'll, if we stay on long enough, we'll, she'll come to a show. She's with her in-laws right now. But, yeah, she's been very excited about the show. But I think her whole thing is just, you know, we love each other so much. And I think that she wishes people would just plainly see the person that she actually knows.

Does she call you for, like, advice and mom's stuff and everything? Yes, and I call her for advice. Well, that was like the really interesting thing. thing is like I don't know how you were when your first was born but I was like really like didn't know what I was doing and I knew that I didn't know what I was doing so I was really insecure like I remember I gave Carmen a bath for the first time like after her umbilical cord fell off and I'm like trying to do everything and I put some water on her head like a little little bit and one like drop went like all the way on her nose and into her mouth and she

starts coughing I'm alone in the apartment we're like way up high I take her, I think I've killed my baby. I think she's like dead. Like it's like that's it. From one drop of water. Exactly. No, because I don't know what I'm doing. I run with this naked baby out to go get an elevator and I'm like hysterically crying. Like my baby is not okay. My baby's not okay. And then I come out of my panic and I look at her and she's just like looking at me like all as well. But like that's the kind of like new mom I was. Whereas like Ireland was like boom, boom, boom. I got this. Everything is very, you know, like just she just is so. confident and so, like, just her instincts are so good, where I had to learn to trust myself

a little bit. So, you know, in so many ways, I'm, like, leaning to her, be like, well, what do you think about this? You know, especially because we have kids the same age. So I'm, I learn from her, you know, I'd like to think that she learns a little bit from me. And when we talk, we'll talk for, like, you like, I look at the time and it's like, been like two hours. That's so cute. Yeah. So you said before, like, if you stay on the show, she'll come out because she's now with her in-laws. What's your. What's your. goal? Are we trying to win the mirror? Gosh, I'd love to win. I'd love to win. I really would love to win. You know, I mean, and at the same time, I'm such an effing yoga teach. I'm like,

I want everybody to win, too. I mean, I wish that, like, the only thing I'd change about this experience is I wish that everybody could stay on the entire time. And then we'd just be given, like, placements at the end. Because I'm like, you're, like, you're already kind of morning somebody leaving. And that hasn't even happened yet. I mean, tomorrow, there's going to be a double elimination. Or tomorrow, I don't know. Tomorrow is double already? Well, no, tomorrow, whenever we're talking.

Whenever we're talking. So the second show, there's a double elimination. Yes, but they didn't eliminate anybody the first week. And so there's double elimination. And, you know, I don't want to go home. I'm having the best time. I, you know, if you asked me when I broke my hip 16 years ago, if I was ever going to dance again, I would just like, you know, it gutted me.

And so now I. I've gotten a taste of it. And I'm like, I just can't wait. Wait, is the, this is a question for someone like me, which I'm sure we have other listeners here that maybe haven't watched a show in a few years, getting back on track. The elimination is the fan votes. Is it a combined fan vote and judge vote? Yeah, it's combined. And, you know, I mean, that's the thing as well as like, you know, I have a big following, not on TikTok, but on this remote.

So, guys, follow me on TikTok to try to make me not be so insecure there. really appreciate it. There's people with a huge following. So then you kind of look and you say, well, you know, it is not just about the dancing. And that's fair. I mean, it's a, it's a reality show. You want it to be, you want to see your people. But I feel like historically, people that have won have done really well dancing. Like, you're not going to have someone who like, you know, do a good dance and win. But there's also really good. I mean, like, I thought, didn't Robert Irwin? I don't know if you saw his thing. Like, he did such a good job. Like, first of all, he's the most adorable person on the planet and I want to like I know me too I really love him tremendous I mean I love

everybody that's what again like it's so painful about this is like of course I don't want to go home but I don't want anyone else to go home either because I like them all and we get to go see each other and work every day like it's so much fun well tell me about finding out Gleb was your partner who did you want Gleb did you want somebody else I didn't so I again like I don't think things through so I didn't really I was like you know what's so interesting is that the dancing with the stars Dina Katz is a very intelligent woman. She just knows what she's doing and she just is like

where, I think Gleb and I are very, very similar in our personality. And so I actually didn't know who he was, but I knew Val. And I had met Val a few times when I was dancing before. And, but like I didn't really know a lot of pros on it.

And so there's so many things that I'm happy to be dancing with Gleb. Number one, he is, all about the dancing and the technique. So he is so classically trained in both standard and Latin dancing. And so I like, I'm such a dance and movement nerd that like he'll explain, okay, use this side of the body and the floor to then propel yourself over here. Like, that's all I want to like know and do. So I'm really enjoying him that way. But he's like, you know, he like meditates every morning and he's very into like sort of crystals and, you know,

good energy and stuff like, stuff like that. Like I've enjoyed getting to know him and we're like, you're total buddies. I think where we struggle a little bit is we'll get so hyper-focused on the dancing and then we, like, four hours of gone by and we're like, oh, God, we haven't made any TikToks. Oh, God, because that's part of it as well. Like, we're just like bad.

Wait, so tell me about the TikToks because that interests me so much. So what is the expectation from a dancing with the stars couple? How many TikToks are you supposed to churn out a day? I don't think that there's necessarily a number, but it's definitely, like, if you have a big following and your post-a- are doing well, that helps get the vote.

So that's going to help. And we're just, like, again, like, I hope that the viewers can see that we're just like, I mean, I'm like a really busy mom. I'm tired. I come back. I'm so tired. And so you have to come up with a concept, too. Yes.

Like, no one's helping you, like, do this trend. And again, we're just like such, like, can we just talk about the dancing and the dancing? But he has it. I think you, here's my tip. I think you need to push him. because he has it in him because he's gone crazy with TikToks in the past

so you need to tell him this is on you I'll do it you have to like push us to do it because he's into it he lip stinks all day go through his TikTok

well I saw the one the one with the Whitney Houston I don't know if you saw that one where I'm like holding onto his leg and he's like trying to get out and that was my idea I was very proud of that one that was my idea

and the Alec one was really cute too I mean, of course, like, people are going to, you know, it's always like makes us roll our eyes that people were like, well, how does Alex feel about this? And I'm like, right? Because it's Gleb. I'll tell you why. Him and Gleb would like actually like go and leave me in the dust and go like hang out the two of them together. I'd be like, oh, okay. Like, I mean, it's also. Well, I'll tell you why. It's not that surprising. I'll tell you why. Because Gleb is a playa player. Like I just had his contestant from last year on on my show a little while ago. Brooks Nader, she has a new show. So they were dating. And they were a contestant. I feel like everyone, like my sister just told me, those pros are married. Like, everyone's like, you know, it's like a family.

The glib that I know, and I've, like, gotten to be very protective of him because you get very close with people. The glib that I know is a really, like, honest, good person. And that's the glib that I know. And it's like, you know, he's, I grew up with an older brother, you know. And so I get that, like, same kind of like, buddy, buddy relationship with you. people. So I am I am somebody that because I've been misrepresented in the past, I get very protective over people. So the glad that I know is kind and funny and respectful. And he pushes me

hard. I mean, I hope one of the things when going to get into the dancing, like, when you watch the chacha that we did, you'll see from the beginning to the end, we're dancing the entire time. We're not taking a long time, walking on to stay. He's like, we're not wasting any music. we're dancing the whole time. We're doing the tango. Same thing. You know, it's like all of these dances

we're doing as a viewer, watch our, the choreography that he's doing. Yeah. And it's hard. He's really pushing me to really high level of choreography because, number one,

he loves to dance. And he's like, okay, we can do that together. And then number two, he wants to challenge me. He's like, this experience is about, growth. So I want you to use your feet properly and learn how to isolate the side of your body

and you spin better and all that. He says, we're here to dance. And also, you know, I mean, Len Goodman, who passed away, who was a judge forever, every single day, he was very close with Len. And he said, we do this for Len. Len loved the traditional, authentic ballroom dancing. And so, you know, before we go on, we give like a little shout out up there to, to Len with our hearts. Yes. That's sweet. And we just decided that. This year, like, what we can do differently as a couple is dance. No, no, I mean, a lot of people can dance. No, no, it's like focus on the dancing.

It's focused on that really fine quality of ballroom dancing. I mean, there's amazing dancers on this. This is like, I am not better than any of the other people. Like, it's like, everybody has their thing. But, like, for him, he's just very focused on technique. And I think that that's one of the things that we go out there and, and we're doing. And I have a personal question because I am such a like germaphobe slash get grossed out by people and you guys really sweat all over each other. And I need to understand like if you're dancing with someone that isn't your husband, it's not your kids, like I'm personally like, oh my God, like his whole shirt is sweating is dripping on you.

Do you get used to that? So I'm a yoga teacher. So sweat doesn't gross me out. I'm used to sweaty people and I don't even know their name because I would teach like such big classes. I was actually starting a yoga program in a jail. I never talked about it publicly. And then it was like a COVID thing. And it was like a bunch,

but I would love to go back and do that. So like, you know, I mean, I'm somebody that I like to get very, I take care of people's bodies is my job. So sweat doesn't gross me out. It's just, it's natural, you know. It's things that scare me, mosquitoes, sharks, and mice. Those three things.

If a mouse ran across the floor, I'd be like, goodbye, see you later. I will never come in here again. Or mosquito. We were in, I went, the kids to playground yesterday after I was done with practice. And I saw mosquitoes. I was like, we're leaving. That's it. One mosquito, we're leaving. We do not bring bugger fell on. That's it. So there are things where I will get like squeamish about that mother people would be like, just like deal with it. Okay. It'll be itchy. But it ain't sweat. I got you. Yes, not sweat.

It ain't sweat. Okay. So after this reality show and you've done your own reality show, would you ever do? I remember people were campaigning for you, actually campaigning for you for housewives. Oh, God. Are they? People really wanted you, you know, to be on housewives. I don't know. I don't that. I mean, what I've learned is never say never because I, when I met Alec, I was kind of like dating the same kind of guy over and over again. And I was telling my girlfriends.

And I was like, oh, my God, it's like, this is not working out. And one of my friends is like, maybe you don't know what you like. Like, stop looking for the same thing over and over again. So I always approach life. with a sense of humility of not, like, having all the answers. So I'm never going to say never to anything. I just think that, like, I don't think I'm, like, zesty enough. I feel like I'm just, like, you know, I like want to go to bed at night.

I'm not, like, fun. I mean, I'm fun, but I'm just not fun in, like, I'm going to throw drinks. I'm not going to throw drinks around. I'm like, I have to parent. Like, I'm not going to go and get wasted. Like, the dancing, but then you, but then you, like, take an athletic thing. I'm like dancing with the stars. No alcohol.

No. I'm going to exercise. I'm going to stretch. I'm going to take my hot baths. Like, that's the kind of the challenge that I do. But I do love a housewife moment. I am friends with some of the housewives. I love what they do. I'm a huge fan. So we shall see. If they're like, we want to have, you know, a yoga teacher on, maybe we'll see. But I feel like, I mean, look, I was wrong with being not fitting in when dancing with stars. So I'm willing to be wrong in my life. Right. I love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on. Like I said, I've wanted to talk to you for so long. We made it happen.

I thought we would do it in person, but I was like, she's in dancing and stars. She's in kind of promo mode. We'll do it now. I'm very grateful for all of your time and your understanding. And I hope I get to talk to with you again.

Me too. Thank you again. And good luck. I'm going to be watching. I'm going to be watching. And follow her on TikTok, everybody. And follow me on TikTok and Instagram and every other other place

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