Not Skinny But Not Fat - Hilary AKA Hilaria w/ Lilliana Vazquez

Episode Date: January 12, 2021

WHAT WERE OUR LIVES BEFORE THE HILARIA BALDWIN DRAMA? Seriously guys. Shall we call it cucumbergate? Whatever you want to call it, it took over my damn life and is one of the wildest celebrity scandals EVER. Alec Baldwin's wife, Hilary from Boston pretending to be Hilaria from Spain, and fooling us all for years has us spiraling. To discuss the entertainment value but also reasons why it is offensive to both the Latino and Hispanic communities, E!'s Lilliana Vasquez joins me and does a fantastic job of making it very clear why yes we can LOL at the utter ridiculousness of it all, but we also need to understand why what HB2 did it is abhorrently wrong.   Ritual: Get 10% off during your first 3 months at ritual.com/notskinny Usual Wines: Get $8 off your first order at usualwines.com with code NOTSKINNY Woo More Play: For 20% off your order of the Woo Vybez, go to woomoreplay.com with code NOTSKINNY   Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Not Skinny, but Not Fat, and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps, and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is Not Skinny, but Not Fat. Okay, you guys, as you know, it's been Ilaria, Hilarias. It's been crazy. I've been obsessed with the HB2 drama, but I wanted today's podcast to be more about my obsession and the fact that I think it's funny and that she is my HB2. I wanted to understand the other aspects of it. And I thought, who better than Lillianna Vasquez of E? And she's a host. She's a style expert. And she's a Hilaria expert. now. Are you not? I mean, thanks to you and Lenny Briscoe, I am now, I think, going to add Hillary expert to my resume. I mean, who knew that in just the course of 10 days, I would know so much about someone who I knew so little about just two weeks ago. Okay, first question, were you following her before the drama? Absolutely not. But I knew of her. I have like a strange

connection to Alec Baldwin. I have a very close friend who actually dated Alec right before Hillary. I know, look at your face. You're like, oh, go. Oh, oh, oh. You, when you give me a little bit of juice, like, it's all it takes. I just need a sip. So I'm familiar with him because they dated. It was brief, but it was, you know, it was intense. And so I knew of her because this was the woman that he dated right after like one of my closest friends dated him and you know that as girls like we get obsessed with like whoever our person is dating next and all of the friends know. So I knew of her then and I also knew of her because I lived in New York and I have friends that are like super into fitness and I actually have friends that took her yoga class back in the day when she was still teaching. So I know of her

and she obviously was a correspondent on extra. She's in my world. So I knew of her but I never met her personally and I didn't follow her on Instagram because, you know, my husband and I don't have kids and I'm not really that much into fitness. So there was no reason for me to follow her other than the world had heralded her, like a power Latina. But if you thought of her, like when you, wait, first of all, is your friend Spanish or Latina or anything like that?

Not at all, which makes me understand why they broke up because apparently he has some like Latina fetish that started with Selma Hayek and ended, well, not ended with, but ended up with Hillary, who is not Latina, so his... I love how you're going to commit to her OG name. You're like, I am playing around. No, her name is Hillary. No, but Liliana, okay, we're going to go there.

We're going to go there. But she did legally change her name. I mean, we can make fun of her. We can say she's not Spanish. We'll go down the thing. It's offensive to a lot of people. But I could change my name right now to whatever banana hammock, you know? Yeah, you could be.

I mean, think about it. Like, I'm in L.A. right now. Half the people that live in L.A. don't use their real names. Right. So that's why I am, obviously, I'm kidding about it. But people that want to call her Hillary, I mean, yes, she is. That's who she is.

But she could, she's, the fact that she was entitled to change her name legally to whatever she wants, obviously, obviously, we know. But it's so wild because I'm the same way, knew of her, never followed. Also, not into like, I mean, I have a baby now, but a woman with five. kids and the does yoga all day. Also, it's wild now looking at the posts of the yoga and heels and the wild pregnancy posts and the post-pregnancy. I think that's when things popped up for my feed is when it would pop up like post-pregnancy body.

Yeah, and I really paid attention when Amy Schumer, you know, completely trolled her on, on Instagram. I follow Amy. I think she's hilarious. hilarious. And when I saw that, I was like, wait, that's not A-V? And then I was like, oh, my God, that's right. This is, you know, and by the way, like, clearly what Hilaria, Hillary is doing in her real

life is working. Like, her body's, like, most people have never had that body in their teens and 20s. Yeah. And she has it in her 30s after five kids. You can't take that away. Like, whatever she's doing works. And if I were into fitness, trust me, like, that would be motivation. Like, if that's like, I'm in.

I just like pizza and I like gluten. So it's just not going to work out for me very well. No, it's insane. And speaking of Amy Schumer, most people, I think a lot of people jumped into this when it was already exploding. And what I always said when people were like, wait,

what happened? I'm like, I'm not going to break it down. I didn't save a freaking Hillary highlight. You do the work. You read Lenny Brisco's, you know, Twitter thread.

I'm not saving that shit so you can, No, no, no, no, no. Also, I'm scared of Alec and I'm not documenting anything. Are you legit scared of Alec Baldwin? I'm legit scared of Alec Baldwin. What do you think he's going to do to you? No. Because I've now gone on national television and told the world that she is appropriating a culture. So should I be scared? Well, no, obviously being like a little bit funny, but like at the end of the day,

what I do mean is that people do need to do the work. Like, people love highlights, easy things. Like, there is so much information on Hilaria that I can't, like, you need to go, first of all, a lot of people were getting credited. And I always said, I didn't deep dive this shit. I didn't find any of this shit. It started on like Reddit, you know, like, years ago, right? Years ago, if you go to like, or like there's like a DC blog, there's all.

this shit. And then there's Lenny Briscoe on Twitter, which like, come forward, woman. Tell us who you are. She has like a cat-imert. She's scared of Alec too. I mean, this is a real thing. Like she said in that New York Times article with Katie Roseman that she didn't want to come forward because she is scared of Alec. And I guess if you look at his past behavior, like, I mean, the voicemail to his daughter, like the punching for the parking space. He definitely has a temper. Yeah. But I don't know. I guess I'm unafraid, hunt. I mean, I'm unafraid. That's amazing.

You're amazing. You're amazing. I think that was my excuse for not like adding to highlight and people are like, oh, my God, we get it. So I was like, I'm afraid of Alec. Also, was his video not scary to you at all? That was that, that was scary like the deep, like look into the trust. No.

First of all, Lillianna, consider the soars. Are you kidding? That's my new tagline. I think that about everything. everything I do now, I'm considering sources. I mean, in your line of work, too, I mean, you, you're a host for you. You have to consider the source. I mean, he's not wrong.

No, it's not wrong. And I actually love what you said in the stance that you took, not like about being scared of Alec, but for people who do their own work and their own research here, because you will ultimately come to your own conclusion about what this is really about, whether or not she's actually, you know, like a pathological liar, you know, is this really that big of a deal. And like, where is all this information coming from? I applaud you for asking people to do that because I think oftentimes in this like super fast internet Twitter world that we live in, you read like 10 tweets and you're like, oh, 100%. Yeah. She's wrong. Yeah. But if you really like do

the work, you're going to start to see that, you know, there are countless videos and just so much evidence. Yeah. No, with her, with her, there's no. I tried. Believe me, a lot of my followers were like, Amanda, no. Like I was like, maybe. she, you know, maybe. And no, there's absolutely no excuse. There's absolutely no, what's the word? Like, there's, it's not like iffy. It's like a hondo. Very black and white. She's not Spanish, as we all know. But I did try because as you said, it is easy. I didn't want to just base it off one thing. I watched every single thing people sent me. Like I said, I didn't uncover anything myself. And neither did a lot of people on Instagram.

Instagram that, that were given credit in a lot of places, which kind of annoyed me too. I saw that. That was wrong. That's not okay. We all know where this started. Lenny Briscoe, you are our Hillary, Hilaria Queen. We salute you. And thank you.

Thank you for making this the greatest week between Christmas and New Year's that I could have ever dreamed of. Listen, so I love how you can see that, too, that it was that obviously it's still entertaining. You know, we can't, we're not only like either of, you don't have to either be offended and see it that way or be like me like entertain. I was just fascinating. That's what I was saying do the work when like my mom would be like, wait, what happened? I'm like, where do I start?

Like how do I, how did I explain this? That's why I'm saying you have to see it yourself. You have to read it. You have to see it because like if I told my husband, he's like, wait, so she just was like doing a Spanish accent, I don't get it. You know what I mean? Like he, like you need to really. were you not blown away by every single piece of new?

It's, you know, it's incredible. Like she left us like a buffet of evidence. She's the source, Alec. That's the problem. Your wife is the source of the evidence. So we're only considering her because she, you know, she is, and this is what I've discovered in my own research, you know, over the years. I mean, she is like the walking, talking definition of,

an overshare. That's great because I know that people on Instagram love people to share every ounce of their life. It's part of the influencer world. It's why we feel connected to strangers on the internet is because they share every detail of their life. If you are sharing an authentic life, then that works for you. But when you start to share things that are not true or that don't start to add up, what you have to remember is that every post and every tweet and every video that you have left will live for eternity on the internet for the internet sleuths to unearth and mine. And that's what happened with her. She, I mean, we're still coming up with videos. And I saw yesterday when she was doing like the handstand on Fallon. You know, it's just there's

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And like we said, he is right, not about his wife because she is the source. Nobody was like, this person said, it's all. her saying. It's a first person account of a lie. It's incredible. But listen, his message is not wrong. And again, it's great. I mean, that's something that we do every day at Eve when we're pushing a story out. Like, we have to fact check this by like 10 different people and cross-reference those checks to make sure that we go on air with something that's accurate. So I appreciate his encouragement to consider the source. It's, important that we do that. And that's what I did, too, by the way. Like, you know, people are like,

oh, you know, this was, because my first impression of this, and often is this when I see people like ganging up on a woman is, oh, this is like Twitter mob mentality. And I don't like that. Like, I am not here for like a cyber internet bully workshop. Like, that is not okay. And it's never okay. I don't care if someone's, you know, wrong. Like, you shouldn't do that. But when I started of reading all the sources and started fact-checking all that. I, of course, because I'm in this industry, have my own sources, right? So I went to journalists and editors at Ola, at Latina, my friends that have taken her yoga class to kind of pull my own information. And I can tell you that with the people I spoke with, the question had come up over and over again from editors and

researchers at these publications. And every time those concerns were raised to a publicist, or a member of the Hilaria team, they weren't addressed. So they were out there pushing this narrative and not making any kind of correction or concession along the way. So to play dumb and say, oh, well, you know, they ran with that. I'm sorry, that is not how publishing works. And that is not how publishing works at Ola. It's not how publishing works at Latina.

It's just not how the industry function. And they know that. But at the same time, Ola is not going to ask you for your birth certificate, obviously. Like, if you're going to say you're Spanish and your team says you're spin, no one's going to be like. Right. If they had said she was Turkish, would they just have let that run? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's crazy.

You can just summon anything absurd for Spanish, you know? Yeah. But they just let it run because they were driving the lies. They were the ones pushing it. Why? Why would they be the ones pushing it? Because I feel like when you're on a team with something, like it, by the way, it's all top down.

Like she's at the very top of that pyramid, right? But if you work for her and you've been told that she's Spanish, she's from Spain and this, right, this is the brand that we are pushing, then that is the brand that the team pushes, right? It's like, okay, Liliana, you know, if you want to be a wellness influencer, like, is that who you want to be? What do you do? Yes, I am, I'm a wellness and health influencer and we are leading with like all of the healthy food that I eat, all the exercises that I do, all the meditation. That's how you build a brand,

you know, digitally and socially. I mean, that's what she was doing. She was building this wellness influencer mommy brand. So everybody had the brand points. Like that is not something small. And you have to remember, like she's not some girl that's trying to be an influencer out of like my hometown of like first Texas. You know, I mean, right. She's married to one of the biggest names in Hollywood. She's represented by the biggest agency in Hollywood. When she said that she doesn't I don't talk to them. Okay, sure. Like, CAA, you guys, I'm sure everyone has heard of that talent agency.

And again, CAA, like, if I, okay, I go, I want to be represented. And I come in and I say, hey, you guys, I'm, I'm American, but I'm also half Israeli. They're not going to ask for my passport. They're going to believe me that I'm, that I'm Israeli, you know? So, so no one's blaming, like you said, like no one, no one can blame her agency. or all these other places because people fact check, but you're not going to ask for again for a birth certificate. If someone says they're from, it's just, it's, it's, it's wild.

It's wild. And it just, and it makes no sense. And the weirdest thing that I kind of discovered in all this was when I spoke to a friend who had actually taken her class, I said, what do you remember most about the class? And she says, the accent. Like, it was the thing I remembered most. And this was at the very beginning of, of, of Alec, I don't. know if they were married yet. She didn't give me like the exact date. Now I sound like Hillary

in her New York Times interview. I don't know the exact date. Let's not get into all that. Yeah. She said, you know, what I remember most is is the prevalence of, of the accent. And I thought, you know, she was actually, my friend described the class as like really fun, you know, but she remembers the accent. And it was like a full commitment to the accent. By the way, like, when you do yoga, like if you're doing, like, aren't you out of breath sometimes? Like, you know how hard it is to, like, do a fake accent when you're out of breath? Like, skills, skills. Oh, my God.

I, what you were saying about Amy Schumer. I love her, too. She's polarizing to some. I'm obsessed. Like, I eat her up with a spoon. I had food poisoning the other day, and I was vomiting up my life. And I was just, like, Amy Schumer vomited or a whole pregnancy. Like, I can get, like, I love her.

I think about her all the time. So do you, for people that don't know, this started because Amy Schumer for the holidays, put up a picture of Hilaria holding their youngest son. She's in underwear and a bra. And Amy put that up and wrote Happy Holidays for me and Jean, which is Amy's baby. It's so funny that the joke was lost on so many people, including my followers. I'm like, do you got, what's wrong with you guys? Like, really? They didn't think it was. So many people didn't get it. People didn't get it. They're like, wait, I don't get it. I'm like, you don't get it. And I try to give an example. Like, I love Haley Bieber.

It's like, so I put up a picture of Haley Bieber and Justin and I was like, happy holidays for me and my husband. Like that, I was like,

I was like, that's there. So like a lot of dummies, Hilaria didn't get it. She didn't get the joke. She made a seven minute. IGTV. And this is,

you guys, I watched this because, okay, now I'm remembering. It's all coming back to me. I can't believe that this is like, there was my life before, you know?

Well, that's what I love about reading your, your Instagram. It's like, what was life before Larke? I don't, I don't, I think we celebrated Christmas. Did we? Like, what happened? Memories. Like, I remember I got into the, I thought the post was funny. And I think I was following it because she took it down, Amy.

And then I read an article that she like, apologized. And I was like, what? And then I read that people were offended and like making it about body shaming. And I was like, oh, you. you got, give me a break, body shaming. So I was talking more about that. So then I had to watch her seven minutes. She loves really long IGTVs.

And I never commit to watching long IGTV. So there is something a little captivating about this woman. You know what I mean? That she can get you to watch seven minutes of her talking. So in the video, she's like, I don't know, like, Sand's accent. Maybe I mean, I get it. maybe it's funny. I don't know.

That's what she was saying. I'm like, what? This is when I discovered her. I'm like, follow, which is weird because that video

was what spiraled this whole thing when people were like, wait, she doesn't have an accent, which is weird because she hasn't done the accent

in a very long time. But yeah, I think it's because it just brought so many eyes to her in a new way. So maybe, you know, I also feel like

when they first got married, You know, people have like in Hollywood, they talk about like people having moments, like breakthrough moments, you know, where like people are paying attention to you for X, Y, and D reason. I feel like, you know, when she was on extra and they first, they had the first like couple babies, you know, like we, there was an awareness about her. And that was, you know, seven years ago or whenever that was six years ago. And so we remember her with the accent.

And then she kind of, you know, for most of us kind of went away. Like I didn't really pay attention, like I said. But then the Amy Schumer thing, I was like, oh, yeah, the Spanish Yoke. a teacher that's married to Alec, but wait, she had an accent last time I heard from her. So I think that's what happened is that there was a break in awareness around her. So when we came back to her for her seven minute, like I don't get it video, that's when all us went, oh, whoa, the last time I saw her on extra and the last time I heard her do an interview, she had a Spanish accent.

Where did it go? And I think that's what triggered all of us to start deeper dives into what happened to Do you think that if she would shut the fuck up and take a joke, this wouldn't have, like, I, yeah, yeah, that's crazy. She's probably, I mean, if she's an overthinker, I hope that she's like, I hope that she, for her, that she's not and that she, like, I hope ignorance is bliss for her and that, I don't know, but could you imagine living with that? Like, if I would just take it as a laugh, because you know you took it as a compliment. And she put up a hot body pick of you and was like basically, you know, wishes, you know, whatever. If you weren't like, I don't know, like, is it a joke?

Then, then. Are you body shaming me? Like, if you would have just laughed and been like, yeah, I know, I'm hot and I have five kids. Thanks, Amy. Right. Wink, wink, wink. But do you think Amy is scared of Alec like me and Lenny Briscoe? Because she's, she deleted and she put up a cucumber emoji.

She deleted. I actually wonder who Amy's representation is and nobody I don't think I've seen that like I don't is she represented by CIA she represented by William Morris like who are Amy's agents or you know high-powered publicist and is there any crossover I'm like let me let me write this down is there any crossover there because I do find it interesting that as a comedian she I get the first one because I think people started to come after her on that like body shaming thing and I don't think Amy's a I don't think Amy's about that at all if you know like anything about her um so I think I understand the motivation for that she's like I just don't want to be yeah I just so sometimes you

even if you know that wasn't your attention you're like I did this to be funny but if this is going to be a headache and a half then I rather not deal with it and listen and women get shit on and we shit on ourselves about our body and insecurity so like I don't want to be part of that conversation and I understand why she may be and by the way you're allowed to like take something down like you're allowed to, like, have visibility into how it impacts other people. It's called empathy and then go, oh, that was a bad decision, you know? And maybe she did that with the first post. But then she put up a second post and also took that one down.

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I also love Spain. Amazing. Thank God for screenshots. Like, thank God. I'm telling nothing ever dies on the internet. Nothing ever does. You're right. I wonder if either she was like, wait.

because I'm sure, listen, she would get hate about anything she posted. So I wonder, like you said, if it's just the public, if people were like, oh, my God, you're insensitive or if it has to do with more than that. Listen, I'm not sure. I can get why if you're in the industry, I don't know, does he have connections at S&L? Maybe she wants, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, they both play in the comedy world.

I mean, I hope not. But it was, to me, very interesting that that second post came down. because people have really shared their opinion on this. Like public people have shared their opinion and weighed in and been really funny about it. And so for her to take it down, I don't know. Or maybe she's like really smart behind the scenes and been like, I only need to throw this up for an hour. Screenshot, Cliff forever. My job here is done.

You know what I mean? That's true. She also then did like the year and review in her stories. No, did you miss this part? She did the year and review in her stories, which a lot of people did. And like she put like December, you know, whatever. And in December, she put a picture of her, she spoke about Lyme disease. She was like, oh, I got Lyme disease and I ate better and I'm glad to have discovered, like, health, important, whatever.

And then she put like a cucumber at the end. And then I was like, oh, my God, I screenshot it. Wait. Deleted. Deleted. Deleted. Because of the cucumber? Because the cucumber.

I, wait. But then I was like, no, what? She's disappointing me. Like, she deleted that too. But then she, she, so she's obviously, like, conflicted about it and kind of overthinking this because the next moment she put up a story of just a cucumber emoji, like on a blank screen. So obviously she's, she is thinking about it. Stars are just like us.

They, you know, they overthink. And she's trying to, like, figure out how to navigate, navigate this thing. Well, I do think it's a, you know, I think we're out of place now. You know, the crazy thing is that we are still talking about this. And this was like, I mean, we work in like 24-hour news cycles. Like something that I care about and I do like a story on at 11 a.m. Pacific time is gone by 11 a.m. the next day. Here we are, you know, a week after this. And like, we're still talking about this nonstop.

And I think it's because people really, I think there's people that feel incredibly passionate about how Roger she was and the impact of those deceptions and those lies and how it impacts immigrants and people of color and anyone who's ever experienced any kind of racism based on their accent or where they come from. And then you have people that are just finding the story going wait, but I don't understand it. It's like it doesn't offend me that she spoke with a fake accent. You know, it doesn't offend me that she loves another country. So I think that's why we're still talking about it because you have two camps and they're slowly starting to understand each other, which is why I'm so grateful to like be on this podcast with you. Thank you. And I do.

want to say what you said is probably what people are around her telling her like it'll go it's like 24 hours. I know it's been 18 days. Just wait two more. Two more days and I promise no one will talk about. Wild you guys. And it seriously usually is like that. It's like a story begins. A story ends. And with her it's never ending. But I will say, you know, I'm not. It's crazy how scandals work. like her follower account went up, obviously. Of course. So at the end of the day, you know, I remember when Stasi and Kristen on Vanderpump rules were quote unquote canceled and fired, you know, and Stasi was getting so much

hate and people were being very, very, like, nasty on social media about her. And then I was like, her follower account didn't go down by one person. You know what I mean? So it's like people love the filth and love that. Not that I wouldn't want followers like that. right? I wouldn't want to be hate followed or people that are sticking around to and maybe she wouldn't want that either. But we don't need to worry about those people because, you know, at the end of the day, they'll be fine. But like I said, I really, really want to hear the side, even hearing

you say it rather than getting DMs about the way you presented it just now and how it impacts people. I really want to understand better because at first it pissed me off. I was like, why are we making this about that, you know, it's not about, like, let's not be offended about everything, especially because of the distinction, which I want you to start with that, because before we started, you explained it to me, because there is a distinction about, because a lot of people were like, Latino, and I got pissed about that because I was like, no, she's pretending to be from Spain, which is in Europe. Yeah. So tell us about that, Liliana. Okay. Latina expert, Liliana. Self-appointed. I mean, kind of. I'm half Puerto Rican, half Mexican. I'm as

Latina they get. So here's the thing. So when we're talking about Hilaria and Hillary, you know, often is it Latina? See, now I'm confused. Puerto Rican and Mexican, is that Latina? Yeah. But it's, isn't Latina Latin America? Latin means from any Latin country, right? So that could be Caribbean. It could be Central America. It can technically also be South America, with the exception of Brazil, because they don't speak Spanish. They speak Portuguese. Okay. So Latina or Latino or Latinx, which is how I like to be referred to, basically just means that you are from a country that represents Latin America. So South America, Central America, the Caribbean. And obviously, Spain is not part of that. Spain is its own separate thing. It's in Europe, like you said. So when we're talking about Hillary and Hilaria, technically she did not represent to be Latina or Latina. Latin X. She represented herself as Spanish, which would make her Hispanic. Okay. Now, the word Hispanic is like an older word that I think, like my mom uses that,

my dad uses that, the government uses that to identify Latin X people in the U.S. And Hispanic encompasses like people that speak Spanish, right, from all over the world. I don't particularly use the term Hispanic. I use Latin X. But when we're talking about Hilaria, to say that she's misrepresented herself as a Latina is actually not an accurate statement because she doesn't say she's Latina. She said she's Spanish, which would make her Hispanic. Now, all of that doesn't matter because she lied about everything. So none of that happens. Okay, let's be very clear. It doesn't matter because she's actually none of the things. Okay, she is a white girl from Boston. And let's be clear, there is nothing wrong with being a white girl

from Boston. So I don't know why she thought there was, but there is nothing wrong. I have many friends from Boston. They are white and they are wonderful. Okay. So, but the reason, that Latin has been brought into it is because in the media space, there are very few spaces for Latinos. You have like Latina magazine. You have Ola. You used to have glam beaella Latina. But all of these magazines kind of operate under the Latin umbrella. You know, if the Hollywood reporter is doing a roundup of like 10 Latinas to watch, you're going to have Penelope Cruz, you're going to have Selma Hayek, you're going to have Gina Rodriguez, and you probably were going to have Hilaria Baldwin.

And that is when her behavior becomes really problematic, because you are talking about a group of people who already have such limited opportunity in mass media. There are so few of us on screen, it has become such a problem that, like, Mayor Garcetti in L.A. is, like, pushing for reform for that. Like, there are coalitions of writers and directors and producers and actors literally telling the media world that there is just not enough of us when we are the fastest growing

group in America. So it's not representative of how powerful we are as consumers and how many of us actually live in the United States. So when we're so underrepresented in mainstream media, and then you have somebody who is actually not of that background and does not represent us as a people, taking up space and taking opportunity away from somebody who actually is Latina or Hispanic, it becomes a huge problem. That's the first issue that I had with it because I'm thinking, gosh, I know of like amazing Latin women and Hispanic women that could have been on the cover of Ola magazine or that could have been written up as like 10 influencers to watch.

Here's this woman who is none of the things that this magazine represents and not correcting them and taking the accolace. Like she's just taking. It's like you're like a leach on us, you know? And that's why so many of my friends who are Latino or Hispanic are really angered by this, because we fight so hard for opportunity and we fight so hard to take up space in a world that gives us so little that for her to come in and take that away from any of us or anybody out there who's more deserving is really hurtful. And it's wrong. You know what I mean?

Like you were saying, like there's black, white, sometimes there's gray. In this situation, I'm sorry. There's just no gray. She lied and she was fraudulent. And she used those lies to advance herself within a culture that she doesn't represent and that has never like been a part of who she truly is. But isn't that wild, Lilliana, that there's such a like something, it's crazy what's going on. Because on one hand, you're saying there's a problem.

There's not enough space for Latinas and Hispanics in, in the media and in general. But yet she thought it would be better to. present herself as Spanish and obviously you guys that's what it comes down to she probably thought it looked more unique it had more of a vibe that it sounds so crazy but it does and I think that that is also a real like real hot point for so many of us who are first generation even second generation who come from families or who have with parents that have thick accents that represent the countries that we come from, most of the time in the United States, people with accents, like, I'm going to use a personal example because I think it's the best way to kind

of talk about something that really impacts you personally. My mom has a thick Mexican accent. She's always had it. She loves it. I love the way my mom sounds just hearing her voice, like calms me instantly, like when she calls me on the phone. Like sometimes I like, if I'm having a bad day, like I'll just play her voicemail because there's something about her accent and the sound of her voice that just feels like home. Now, while it feels like home to me, it has made her feel so isolated in so many different scenarios, whether those are professional or personal.

You know, and her and I had a really long conversation about this. And, you know, I went to a predominantly white school for lower school, middle school, and high school. It was a private school. And I probably went to the school with many women like Hilaria, right? Like upper middle class, wealthy, affluent white men and women. And my mom used to say to me that the mom's there would keep her out of like the PTA meetings and the lunch meetings. And she never felt comfortable going because she was one of the only women that had an accent, right?

So what happens is here we are as a country and as media heralding this woman is like, oh, she's so exotic. Well, we thought, you know, because you found the accent on her exotic because of her privilege. She's light-skinned, right? She represents Spanish in a way that is acceptable. to Americans and doesn't represent it in the way that most of us represent it, right? Like, we're brown, you know, and Hilaria is not. And we, as Americans, fetishize the idea of this, like, exotic Spanish woman, like, with her Castagena's doing, you know, flamenco.

And it's crazy to me, and it really signals the problem that we have, you know, like with accents, like as Americans, we, like, hold so many in high esteem. You're Australian or South African. Or if you're British, it's like, oh, you're smart. And, you know, and it's amazing. But then you hear accents of real immigrants, and we use that to discriminate and withhold opportunities from people. So I think that was the part that I think people got so angry with saying, here we are

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You're going to love it. Do you think she's intelligent enough or calculate, was she intelligent, been calculated enough to put all that together, be like, I am white. I, like, how, I'm, looking back at all the, the, the, the clips and clips of Alex, I mean, the question is, did he know? The answer is probably a million dollars, you know what I mean? Because, like, does he not know that she has no real connection? Does your husband not know where you're from, where your family's from?

And, and so many interviews I watched. And I was literally, this is why I couldn't stop. It's like another one, another one. My wife is from Spain. My wife is from Spain imitating her like in a Spanish accent. Like I don't say my husband's from Israel. I have every conversation. Like I don't imitate his accent.

He has an accent. I don't think I've imitated it once in my life. Like I think my followers are like, what does he sound like? Like I never in my life imitated it. So I'm really wondering. I mean, there is that thing where like he wanted Salma Hayek and then. people are saying and then she people are going a little bit far thinking that she did it to get Alec kind of a thing i don't think she did i i think in her head she's like i want to stand out

in like the yoga space and i read some comment that said that at that point in time in new york like you know yoga was like the big thing and that you know it wasn't uncommon for instructors to find a way to stand out from the masses you know like and i think she thought that would be a good idea. And by the way, it sounds like she did spend a lot of time in Spain. I'm not saying that she didn't spend time in Spain. Like that is probably true. And she does speak Spanish like somebody who was from Spain. I've heard her do a Spanish interview and she has a beautiful accent. To me, it's exaggerated and she sounds like someone who has studied it a lot. But that's a wonderful thing. Like if you're bilingual and you can speak a second, third language, like that's a wonderful

thing. So he has spent time in Spain. And she thought, I love it. You know, I speak the language. Like maybe I'll just incorporate a little bit of that into my Hilaria yoga brand. And she did. And then maybe she got too far and, you know, she couldn't take it back. And maybe she met Alec and had spun a story about who she was and what she did, which I'm sure she did. But at some point, she did have to come clean. I just don't think that he's now finding out.

I think he probably thought, wow, we're really deep. Let's try to just like not talk about it anymore because like you said, I mean, he's couldn't even get the city right where his wife was from in one interview he says she's from musia which is in the south of spain and then he says she's from mayorka it's not even on the same island i mean spain is is large spain is a really big country that's like if i asked my husband where i'm from and he's like oh i think you're from el paso i'd be like are you crazy i divorce him if he doesn't remember where i'm from yeah how do you not do that so i think he knew something i don't think he knew everything in the beginning.

We don't know when in the relationship he, you know, in the relationship he found out. But I just don't think Alec would go on all of these shows and do all of these press conferences and just lie. She might have, it might have really, like you said,

snowballed. And because what's so crazy is that I think she tried to not lie in all of the places because I made fun of this. I, on one of the hilarious post, somebody commented my new answered. everything in 2021 is going to be my family lives in Spain. Yes. So you can't say she never said I was born in Espania. She says my family lives in Spain, which means nothing. I mean, my family

could live in. I know in the New York Times article, she said, you know, that's what I call home. If my family lived in China, I'd call China home, which like, would you though? And would you pretend to be Chinese? That's what I've been doing. I've been having this fun exercise where like I swap out for like a different culture. And I'm like, would y'all be having so many questions if she had pretended to be from China?

You'd be like, woman is that shit crazy is what you guys would be saying. It's just, but do you think that because the way you were telling the story with the yoga and whatever, that kind of made sense to me, like could it be that she was like, you know, one day she put on some like Spanish music? or what she thought was Spanish music, but it was actually like,

I don't know what, Portuguese. And then the next day, and she was like, I mean, it's just, and one thing snowballed, then she couldn't take it back,

and then she kept, I mean, the interview with her mom, her mom is so white. I mean, again, that's what I was going to say, like her parents, I'm sorry,

I'm white, right? But her parents are so white. And I know you're, I'm, I've been to Barcelona. I know they're white A.F there. A lot of, a lot of them too. And European can be blonde and can be whatever.

But her parents are like very Anglo-Saxon. Like, like, she's not, she's not at all who she says she is. And Mallorca is a very touristy place. I mean, most of the people there, like, have vacation homes. And it's a very small island. So, you know, I have flashes, Lillian. like I just have flashes of her in that in that interview that podcast she did uh with cat and that yeah I mean and like you said you know she she really does choose her words carefully it's

like when people asked her like when she came you know to the United States or when she moved from where you know she always says like oh yes like I came to New York when I was 19 okay well I came to Washington DC when I was 18 from Fort Worth so that is you know I went to college there. We all come from somewhere before we get to our destination. But for her to say, but she came from Boston. She didn't come from Murcia or from Mallorca. But she's trying to make it sound.

That's the thing. When I tried to find ways to play the devil's advocate and see if there's anything there, you can't because she is 100% trying to make it seem without, which is even crazier to try to not be. caught in saying the lie is even more like advanced than it's like a crazy masterminded scheme. That's what's so crazy about it. Yeah. And like I always say this like we've all been guilty of like embellishing something on a resume or like misrepresenting something bad.

It's like I wore hair extensions the night I met my husband. That's not my hair. You know what I mean? But like my hair extension lie isn't like hurting my husband. it's not hurting like an entire culture of people it's not hurting anyone like was he sad when i took them out probably because he's like oh her hair's not as long as i thought but like those are small embellishments that we all make in life you know like i think i probably lied about how proficient i was at excel on a resume and got a job off of it okay it's fine i figured it out

yeah but what she's done is like embellish an entire identity for over a decade and the fact that like how do we not wake up to this earlier i'm actually like starting to get angry at myself because you know you've made a very very good point which i think it's so true that that we started the people that didn't follow her started noticing because of amy schumer but there were a hundred thousand people following her so where were those people not paying attention because i again i have flash i go to sleep and all of a sudden i have flashes i have them myorka and then i have the like one of her extra interview one of her morning show interviews and she's like married life is really like it was like so cool i'm sorry for offending anybody with my horrible imitation of her

i like it i like it do you have that image in your mind of like the married life like do you have that and like what's so crazy to me is like okay so like english is my second language and you're when like i don't have an accent so i'm like i just think english so i was five you know and so and I have a lot of friends same like came to the United States from different places like didn't speak a look at English so they were 10 or 11 and like they don't have a trace of an accent so like how does this woman have an accent like it's so do you think though that I'm again playing devil's advocate in this new world where people can change their names where we're giving freedom to so many things as we should and everyone can do whatever the fuck they want

can she do whatever the fuck she wants and is it a for her to say, I want to, I feel so connected to the culture and the language that I want to be Spanish, some, you know, implementing that in my life. Um, no, she can't do that. Plain and simple, I'm going back to there is no gray area. No, you can, you, you, you can share all about another culture. You can, again, incorporate it into your life. You can, you can choose to teach your children the beauty of another culture through language and food and experience. And like I said from the beginning, like that to me is a beautiful thing from somebody that grew up very Mexican, very Puerto Rican, but also very American. What makes me unique is that my family was able to show me the beauty

of all three of those cultures, right, as I was growing up. And that is important for us. And I think it's important for us as a country to do that, whether or not like, I'm not Israeli and I'm not Jewish. But like, I think there's so many beautiful things about that that I want to teach my kids like i want my kids to be global citizens i think that's something that we all want and so nobody's hating on her for that what's happening is that she has profited off another culture that she does not belong to yeah and no that is never okay never how is she think of because her videos again those i2 tv seven minutes she loves she loves that i mean i watched them we got she did say i'm a white girl from boston

but she didn't explain. Okay, but hold on, rewind. Yeah. Why did she say she was a white girl? Did she volunteer that information or did she feel like she had been caught? So she had to offer that up. Oh, 100% she had to. But she also didn't explain to us then why were you doing all of this if you're a white girl from,

she's saying I never said I was, you know, what did she even say? She was like, I remember the white girl from Boston. and I remember her trying to say, you know, when you're young. I never said, born in Spain. I think she said she wasn't born in Spain. She said, I never said I was born in Spain. I said, you know, my family lives and she goes always back to like, I spent so many years in Spain, so much of my childhood back and forth between Boston.

And she just, she rambles. You know what I mean? And if, you know, if you don't have the patience to like watch her now 18 minutes of IG stories, I mean, she did the same thing in the New York Times article, which we have not talked about yet, because that for me was like, oh, no, now I'm done. Like now, like, again, I was like, I was like, okay, maybe there's a reason. Maybe there's an explanation.

People get nervous in videos. Like, but to sit down with a journalist from the New York Times to make your husband call in a favor for you to get a sit down interview in the Times and then show zero accountability in said interview, provide no documentation, no proof, and no actual facts. in the zero answers. Like, somebody said it on Instagram best. They said, that is white privilege in print. And that is what the New York Times interview was.

Nobody that's not her could have gotten that sit down with Katie. And not only gotten a sit down, but not been pushed. And I actually, to be totally honest, was a little bit disappointed that the New York Times even published that because there were no answers. There was no information. There was no education. there was no fact finding. Well, I think Liliana, she didn't get, I actually felt very, very blessed, hashtag blessed to not only be alive during this time, but also I got an email from Katie Rosman. I almost fainted.

It was like, I'd like to talk to you. Well, it was before I knew Hilaria was being interviewed. She was like, I'm doing a story about Hilaria. Like, I would love to speak with you. And I was like, oh, my gosh. And again, you were going to be a source for the New York Times. I was going to be considered the source. I was going to be considered.

Consider the source. So I was like, oh my God, yeah. And of course I made sure to tell us like, listen, I didn't uncover any information. I just am commentating on it. She's like, no, I know. Like, whatever. So then I talked to her the next day. She was lovely, lovely.

She didn't end up using me because I probably was just like talking about it. You know, I don't know, because I think at the end of the day, she wanted to get my perspective as like why, I guess. it caught us so, you know, hard on, like in the, everyone was hooked on this story. Nobody knew who she was, whatever. But she was lovely. And I spoke to her. And from what I can say is like, she tried.

She tried to get. She told me she did, you know, she did off record and on the record. And off the record, she was a little bit better. But on the record, she wasn't giving her a lot. So I know she really, really tried. And I know she really. really, really tried. And it is crazy. If you're going to agree, uh, both ends are going to agree to do this sit down interview, but it says nothing. It literally says nothing. I mean,

I think she said, I think Kitty said her words were that she declined to explain in detail. And, and my, I actually, I Instagram, I DMed her or no, I actually posted it on Instagram. And I said, well, how convenient for Hillary to decline the details when all she does is overshare. are the details of her life. Mishmash, how do you say? Mish, how do you say Mishamash in English? How does it's just so convenient. And it's like, it's baffling to me that she actually had the opportunity to clear

this up, you know, like she had it. Like she had the audience. She didn't just have like us on Instagram and Twitter, you know, like the Lenny Briscoes of the world who've been following this story. You know, she had my mom's attention. She had my dad's attention. Like she had my in-laws, you know, because, She had the opportunity and, again, the privilege to clear this up and give us real information and let us all say, oh, okay, all right.

I understand her. She made a mistake and she's holding herself. Do you think, Lillianna, that we would forgive her? Okay. If she said in the New York Times article, you guys, I fucked up. I went with this thing. I thought I would be a unique Spanish teacher. I wanted to stand out.

It went too far. I got caught and I'm really sorry. I don't. I mean, yes, I probably would be. I mean, I think I would think that I would never support or endorse something that she's behind and that would be my decision. But I think for the most part, we as a society, especially when it comes to like our entertainment and public figures, like we love someone to step in and take accountability

and like may I cool play the whole thing and then go away for like a few months. Don't talk. Don't do anything. Don't post. we forget about it and we move on. Like we do generally have short-term memory about these types of scandals. So, yeah, I think so.

I think what's so shocking and alarming about her behavior in all of this is that she is zero accountability for any of it. And that, now I'm like, is something like wrong with her? Like, is something wrong with her? Or does she really believe that she has not for advanced this narrative, which is all lies, does she really believe that she didn't have a role in that?

I mean, she says, she says, she says, she goes, this is not something I'm doing wrong. Like she believes that. So that's why she's giving no answers in the New York Times. So when is she going to get there? And here's my, this is the part that totally gets me. Where's the family? Where are the friends that are coming out to support her and say,

hey, I lived next door to Hillary in Mayorka, when she was going to elementary school here. Like, even if you gave the interview in Spanish to a local Spanish newspaper, we find it. Daily Mail, they're all over that shit. So, like, where's that person? Like, where's the teacher? Where's the babysitter? Where, where, where's the family?

Where's the mom? Like, if the internet were coming after me for saying that I was, you know, like from, you know, like, from, you know, Argentina, you know, and like, my mom would step up and defend me. Like, that's my mom, you know, or my. or my sister or my brother or like a second cousin. The only thing we've heard from the second cousin is that she grew up in Boston and she's white, which we already know to be true. So she doesn't have anyone in her corner defending her.

Where is she getting the audacity and the balls to still not apologize and not take ownership for her lies? Oh my God, Lillianna, you're so right. Like, what is going on? No, you're so right. because the New York Times, I mean, it's wild that the, because I was on the side of like, I did speak to Katie. I knew already that it was going to be that she didn't get a lot of answers. I was so excited.

I was like, oh, my God, you spoke to her before you. I was like, I felt like I'm part of something. And then she was like, I didn't really, I didn't really get much. Like, I'm going to be working on this all day. Like, I really tried. And then the article, like you said, like, she asked her about the years. she said, it'll be maddening to maddening, maddening, fright. It'd be a fright.

It'd be maddening to give the breakdown. And, you know, I on Instagram, I said, like, I was born here, seven, I moved to Israel. I came back at 14. I moved it back to Israel when I was 22. I stayed there. I got married. I moved back here in 27. If you know the dates, you can say the fucking dates.

Even if they're annoying, even if it takes you 30 seconds, it's not a hard thing to say. And by the way, you're you're not like some like single mom who has five kids and is working two jobs to try to survive a pandemic. Like I get it. Like there's people that actually like I have a friend who has three kids single, you know, like been unemployed for six months. Like she's got bigger shit to worry about. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's people actually that have like bigger things and more important things to do with their lives. You are married to Alec Baldwin.

Like you have an entire staff. If I'm Hillary and I'm trying to prove all of you motherfuckers wrong, I am hiring a forensic. science team to piece together plane tickets passport stamps like girl I am going like deep CSI I'm going to have fingerprints like I am leaving no stone unturned to prove all y'all wrong why isn't that happening oh my god so what do you see happening lilyana how do you see do you think quietness and then back to normal without an accent or do you see a PR apology like what do you see well selfishly I hope that we do an E true Hollywood story on this and I get to host it both in English and in Spanish, but what do I see happening?

I mean, I think she'll stay quiet for a while. You know, she got a little lucky. I mean, it's funny. It depends on who you ask, I guess, like, not so lucky that this happened between, you know, Christmas and New Year's because we're all bored out of our minds and looking for something to, like, deep dive into. I think she should stay quiet. I think she should hire a crisis PR team.

And I mean, like, a top notch one, not one that is going to. do what she says, one that will tell her what to do to get myself out of this mess. And I really hope that for her, she takes some time to understand the impact of why this has hurt so many people and why people are actually angry about it and that she puts that empathy and that impact to work in a really positive way. You've spent the last decade taking space away from Hispanic men and women and Latin X men and women who deserve opportunities that you've gotten. So why not spin that around and create a space for opportunities that do benefit people that actually represent that culture and that identity?

Lillianna, thank you so much for coming on. You've enlightened me. And on a serious note, I am really glad to have understood it better than just, like you said, what did you call it like Twitter? What's a word you used? You called it like Twitter noise or, you know, when you see those things and people were like scream. Oh, I think I'd call it like a Twitter mob.

Yeah, yeah. So I loved getting your. perspective and understanding it and thank you for coming on and you're going to have to come back again and talk just about like things that happen in Hollywood okay anytime I have loved this like this has been like the highlight of my day and like I said I am tuned into your stories you literally put like the biggest smile on my face I love like the mix of content I love how you storytell and I love how honest and authentic you are I mean I think that's all we're looking for right now I know if I find out I'm like I don't know what am I mean you could be anything you literally you can be a carrot like you could be like I'm a vegetable I don't know because things have been weirder you know what I'm saying like who the hell knows what we are anymore I mean let's just all decide that in 2021 we're just going to be what we want no explanation do you wish hilaria a happy birthday it's her birthday to we did this podcast first

her birthday. His Cumblaeos, Mujhe! I'm sending you all my love and truth. Oh my God. Happy birthday, Lariya. Thank you, Lillianna again. Follow Lillianna on Instagram,

Lillianna Vasquez. And it's her real name. Okay, I've checked. I fact checked. Two Zs in it. Okay? Like, you don't get more Latin X than that. And two L.

And two L. And two L. Thank you so much. This has been so much fun. I really. Thank you, baby. You too. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat.

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