Not Skinny But Not Fat - I’ve been getting BUSY PHILIPPS

Episode Date: June 28, 2022

Boop, Busy Philipps is on the podcast! If you don’t know her then you’re Gen Z and probably not listening to this podcast anyway lol. The longtime actress you might know from Freaks and Geeks, Dawson's Creek, White Chicks and most recently Girls 5Eva talks divorce, moving to nyc, friendships, kids and Roe v Wade overturned. Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We talk about what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking about. with your best friends in your living room. How hot is busy Phillips, everybody? Hot and an activist and such a caring human being in general. I just like, Amanda. I know. I just don't get it.

I know. I don't get it. Like I, when I tell you, like, I have exact, like, the way things manifest for me or like in my body, as I see in yours too, like, you're dying. I'm dying. It's like in here. It's all like in my chest and I'll tell you the truth. Like I do feel helpless.

Like I feel like it's like what can we do? Do we just accept this as the truth? Here's a few things. Okay. So if you can, there are amazing abortion fund organizations that provide care and transportation for people that need to like leave states to get abortion care. those organizations are incredible to donate to and they really need the funds because they're providing plane tickets or train tickets what did you say it was called well not the national network

of abortion funds okay I mean yeah yeah you can also just Google abortion funds yeah like Google abortion funds and do the national I mean do yeah first one probably although I don't know it could be sponsored could be like yeah beware of a beware of an interloper don't donate to some bad thing but anyway uh so that's good but the other thing that I really want to stress, and I cannot stress this enough, is that we have these elections coming up. Who remains in office and who is put in office on every level, on the local, the state, and on the federal level is really important. And so, because this Supreme Court, like, they aren't just stopping with this. Like, they're coming for gay marriage next. So,

I saw that. No, this is a plan. This is a plan. This is a plan. And it's going to be like handmade's tail shit? It already is. Like that's what it feels like. No, but I mean, it already is.

But so, but so I really just would encourage people to have weird conversations with friends, especially your wealthy friends who, you know, a lot of people say like, I'm a one issue voter. Right? Sometimes people's issue is taxes and money. And I would just urge them that maybe now is not the moment. So I care about that. Maybe now's not the moment to vote Republican because there is no, there's no difference now between like fiscally conservative and literally stripping the rights away from over half of the country. That's it. So if you are voting for Republicans because you work in finance or your husband works in finance or you think your husband's voting. you're at fault, too. And I would just really encourage people to reconsider that maybe their one issue should be human rights. Yeah.

And civil rights. I mean, I don't like the taxes either. I'm not going to work. Yeah. The taxes are fucking crazy. Let me tell you, I, yeah. And I wish I understood that more, too. There are so many things in my life I wish I understood more.

You know what I mean? It's never too late, babe. I know. I know. It's like whatever he tells me. You're also really young. I'm not that young. 34 that's young i look back at 30 i mean i turn 43 tomorrow it's tomorrow

wait is it still jemini season no cancer baby oh but you're on the cuss you're on the cuss i'm a real cancer you're real cancer oh i have a leo i'm lea rising so cancer lea rising i'm like first of all wait 43 tomorrow 44 tomorrow 43 oh my god oh my god that's exciting wait okay so we're getting later okay we're going to put you in a good good mood. I hope people are like already turned off. I'm sorry. I like, but this is the point. You can do both guys. I know. See? And you have to. I know. You have to be able to hold both. I know. I know. I love dumb shit. I know. Obviously. Well, first of all, you're not dumb in this interview is about you. So, you're turning 43 tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. That's wild. Wait, so on the

Kardashians, the season, they said that 40s are like the best of your life, best sex, best this, but do you feel it yet? You're feeling it? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Not just the sex, that everything. Well, no, but I mean, I've had a, I think that the pandemic's been really weird. I turned 40 in 2019, obviously. Jesus, busy, they can do the math. And I have, like, the greatest birthday. And I literally was the hottest I've ever been.

40 into 41, like, my body, everything was like, this is it. And then, like, the pandemic just kept, everything just kept wearing. on me and then I just like at a certain point turned to rosé on cookies and was like this is the new me and like I was like so I loved like how strong I was I was like I worked out every day without fail and I was like just on it like if you guys follow busy fillups

which we didn't even get to introduce you properly but if you couldn't tell already who's on the who's on the podcast today but if you follow her and have been following her for years and don't know like the texture of her sweat like drips by now, then you're not following her. My tennis coach in L.A. Gunner told me that the only person he's ever met that sweat more than me was this NFL quarterback that he used to teach tennis to.

And I was like, Gunner, that's not. Oh, Gunner. The time. Not Gunner Peterson. Oh, okay. No, not the famous Gunner. Different Gunner. Wait, so I thought you were sweating so much in those videos because the workout was so

intense, but you're a sweater in general. I'm constantly sweating. Really? Yes. So you're not that girl that's like, I'm so cold. I've never been cold a day in my life. No, I'm so, I'm so hot. I always, so I started this thing on my Instagram a while ago and like so, it's like kind of an inside joke and the girls who get, I get it. But I would be like, I would make fun of myself about that and because I'm not, you know, skinny. And I'd just be like, I'm so cold. Like, like, because skinny girls get cold. You know what I mean? And, and we'll be like, babe, turn off the air conditioning.

I'm like, babe, turn it on, why is it off, put on 68, you know? So the girls are get to get it. And sometimes don't you feel, though, does part of you wish you, you know, could be cold? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Like, you know what I was doing for a while in L.A? I'm like, literally the cab drivers, they're comfortable. The cab drivers are comfortable driving all day with long.

long sweatshirts. And I'm like, could you turn on the AC? I'm sweating. But here's what I'm going to say. Since I was a child, I have been sweating. I'm not kidding. That's how you have good skin. Maybe you're always moistened. I think that's possible. I actually think that's possible. I also think just busting myths here that pregnancy glow is just a sheen of sweat. Wait, did you feel more glowing in pregnancy? Were you sweating more? I know. I sweat so much. But do you get sweat stains? Because that sucks. No. Okay, good. But I also don't smell.

This is like, and it is amazing. I mean, I don't either, but you could tell because we're so, you know, hot. So we. But my 13, almost 14 year old kid, Bertie also runs really hot. My kid is really skinny and never cold. I just want to say it. And gorgeous, by the way. I'm just saying.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's, yeah, yeah, busting myths. No, I'm just saying, I know that. I'm just saying the vibe of. of being the girl who's like... Always sweating. Yeah. It's like annoying.

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Really anyone with 100 plus followers on Instagram is, on the book tour. She's a promotional machine. Shouldn't she have been in PR? Yeah. So we met at Jenny's launch dinner. And what's so humble about you is that when I introduced myself to you and you were like, I'm busy.

I was like, I know. You're like, how did you? You almost for a minute were like, have we met? And I was like, no, you're just busy Phillips. I know who you are. Like, are you surprised? I think, yeah. I think sometimes it still surprises me like that people know who I am.

Well, I'm not going to pretend. You know, people who pretend are like, Oh, busy? How do you say that? I hate that. People do that, though, right? Would you rather than be honest, like I was? And I was like, you're busy Phillips. I know you.

What do you mean? No, I love it. And you like, what's your name, Noah? Well, I thought your name was Noah, and then it was, and it was hot. We loved it. We loved it because I wear my Noah necklace, and I love that you thought that. I was like, you don't know who I. And I'm just kidding.

Well, I did. Then I did. Then once I knew, once I knew, not skinny, but not fat. I know. Then I knew. You're my publicist's favorite. She was so excited that I was doing. Really?

Yeah. My publicist was like, I cannot even believe it. This is so exciting to me. Oh, my God. I love that. It makes me feel bad because it's like you thinking my name is Noah, publicist loves me. We're even that. But you know, it's funny that I posted that night, people were so excited. I was in the same room with you. Really? Like I posted my little place card. Oh, right. Yeah. To be fancy. And I swear to God, I didn't notice that yours was right behind me. And people are like, oh, like they thought I was doing like it. purpose to be like look who I'm sitting next to kind of I'm telling you that's cute I know and then everyone was like oh my god I love her I love her what you like in real life like busy busy and that really brought me back to like no oh my god she's blushing it brought me back to when I started following you on Instagram this is how I look at it tell me if you agree and how you see it you were one of kind of the first people to really like talk to camera oh yeah no I I literally started the whole thing. Yeah, obviously.

I'll take ownership. Thank you. No, like, I don't take credit for a lot of shit. People don't talk about it. There was a New Yorker profile of me back then, like in whenever that was. When was that, 2016, 2017 or something? When stories became a thing. Yeah, I think it was 20.

No, I think it was 2016 or 20. Well, we can look up the New Yorker. Yeah. Well, I swear I didn't, I didn't read it. But I just think that about you. No, I actually really appreciate it. because literally, you're right, no one ever remembers that or gives me credit. And also, like, the whole landscape's changed and everyone's so different, but, like,

everything is so different now, like, influencing culture and, you know, when I, okay, because when I started really doing Instagram in that way, I had a lot of actor for, you know, because I'm a legitimate actor. Right. That's what I was going to say. You're not, so here's the difference. You're not, your first business was an Instagram. You were, you're an actress.

I think you're from Instagram. Yes. Yeah. Well, maybe they're not like our gen. Yeah, they're, yes, they're younger. They're younger. Yeah. And we like, oh, she's like an Instagram mom.

This mommy blogger. We all know you and love you from Freaks and Geeks, Dawson's Creek, obviously. Those are the OGs like, how old were you then when you did Dawson's Creek? Or Freaks and Geeks and Geeks? Freaks and Geeks. I was 19 and 20. It was like night. I like started one.

I was 19 turned 20. And then Dawson's Creek was actually, I was 21. No, I just turned 22 when I started it. And then I was 23. So 20 years ago, babe, that makes sense that these Gen Ziers aren't aware. I know, but like they've watched white chicks because everyone's watched white chicks. I know. I can't believe that. That was 18 years ago. 18 years ago. I just want to ask you one more thing about the Jenny book stuff before we, because I'm jumping around, is that you've been so supportive of her. You did an Instagram live, which let me just PSA to all my friends. I will never do an Instagram live with you and I will never post it to my feed.

That is way too much to ask. So how are you such a supportive? You hosted her launch dinner. You did an Instagram live. Because none of this is real, Amanda. Jesus. Who cares? What's the point?

You know, again, it's like make your single issue people. Like, who gives a fuck? My, like, anyone else's success doesn't diminish anything for me. Like, I, and I don't need credit for any of it. Like, I'm so happy for my friends and I'm happy for people I don't even like when they're successful. Really? Yeah, I'm not kidding. I, like, have no.

I occasionally be like, well, that's dumb. Good for them. Like, I swear, like, I just go through it because I'm like, you know what, good for them. As long as, like, I really do, as long as it's, like, I really do. as long as they're good people. Like as like, legit. Like, even if I'm good for them is like my new thing now. Wait, and you know, you and Jenny knew each other since you were sixth grade.

That's wild. But, oh, you're both from Illinois or were you living at a different place? Okay, so I was born in Chicago and then we moved to Arizona when I was five. So I really grew up in Scottsdale. I'm really, I'm really a desert rat. Wow. Yeah, I'm super. So it's hot out there.

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as I know now, and most of your followers and podcast listeners know, you moved to the city like a year ago? September 2020. September 2020. And have recently announced that you and your husband have separated. But you've separated a year ago. Yeah, it was over a year ago. Over a year ago.

Like February of last year. Yeah. And one of the things you said was that the reason why you're saying it now was mostly because it was so weird for you to think about like posting a breakup post. Yeah, that was like hard for both of us to. conceptualized. Yeah. Like a bachelor nation. Well, I also just feel like I'm exhausted by the shoulds, you know, like, or that, I don't know, it just feels like people sometimes do things that maybe aren't even what's right for them, but because they feel like they should. You know,

like, it is with heaviness in our hearts and so much love and gratitude that Mark and I announce and we respect each other and we will continue to co-parent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you please respect our privacy at the same and our children? And it's like, oh, yeah. So gross. Like, I just think everything has become a little bit of like a lie. A parody of itself.

Yeah, right. But I will say this, because maybe you're really self-aware, like I am. Yeah. Like, so you think that. But the people that are posting it, they don't think it's a parody is what I'm saying. Okay, okay. But how are you in Mark now? Are you friends? Are you getting along? Yeah. I mean, look, here's the thing. Like separation with a partner, especially after so long.

Was it like 17 years? We've been together for, yeah. Like, I think, yeah, that's right. You do your research. Yeah. It's complicated. But the process, I will say, was really, really long. And like, we've been in therapy for a long time. And speaking of Gwyneth Paltrow. you know i think back to all the shame you know or like the fun that was made of her and chris martin when they announced the conscious uncoupling but the more work mark and i did in therapy and the more we really considered what was working in our relationship as opposed to what wasn't working and how we wanted to move forward in our lives like i think that that there's something really powerful about people reframing how they see breakups.

Like abuse is its own thing and like we, you know, I'm not talking about that. But, you know, all love and relationships evolve. And so like if you're willing to sit with it and we had to sit through, we both had to sit in some uncomfortable spaces. But I'm glad that we waited so long because we were able to do that, like, truly privately and our kids were, as well, you know. But I just, like, I really think that so much of our ideas about, yeah, marriage and breakups and divorce and stuff, like, could be, can be reconsidered. And I think that, you know, it's not so crazy the idea of, like, anxious uncoupling. Right.

Did you have, though, in your head, like, an ideal of. the guy I marry is going to be the guy that and the guy of kids with. I'm going to be with him for that's my life. Oh, for sure. I mean, my parents are still married. Yeah. They've been married like 55 years or something. Insane. Yeah. So my parents are still married and Mark's parents are still married. And yeah, I definitely thought that. But I also, I'm a person who, I don't know, I just don't want to be stuck in binary thinking about anything. Yeah. And I think that we, I think that culturally, we've gotten really stuck in thinking about all kinds of things in a very black or white way. Right.

And there's so much gray area, especially when it comes to relationships. I mean, just the fact of the matter is, like, people live longer now. Like, you, people change so much. Like, parenting changes you. You know, I was like 25. Oh, parenting changes you. And the minute the kids come in, it's like, you. Even the strongest couples, you know, we'll take a hit.

Even the strongest couples that, you know, have never had a fight in their lives or whatever. Like even, you'll, like, kids change everything. Anytime I see a divorce announcement or hear of friends or whatever who are getting divorced and they have children that are under the age of five. I'm like, yeah, no shit. Obviously, it's really hard. I mean, it does seem like, like Mark and I have spent years and years in therapy before we came. to this conclusion. Conclusion. And like, we did so much work in so many ways, which is why this part now

is possible. Right. Like, I get it when people are like, I can't even stand him. I just have to get away. But it's like, I was there like six years ago. I wrote about it in my book. But then we moved through that space. Yeah. And then we moved into other spaces and we like really started pulling apart things and like really looking at. It's crazy, you know, but we're good. Like, we're very, I'm so grateful that he's who I married and had kids with. And had kids with. Yeah.

And are you dating open to dating? Sure. She's living like, wait, so you're living in New York now and in general, I wanted to ask you, are you feeling it? Like, do you like it? Do you miss L.A.? But L.A. is hot too. L.A. you're in your car and air conditioning. You're not walking around.

I'm not walking. Right. You're not walking. First of all, I have no. No, like all, like Carrie Bradshaw fed me a fucking lie. All of my cute shoes are just like sitting. You have to wear sneakers. I wear.

You have to wear sneakers. Yeah. And these are like, these sandals are questionable. I thought I was going to be in a car. But like, the only reason I'm okay with these in the streets is because there's a little bit of a platform. So I'm like, my feet aren't like in the dirt. And you're in New York because of girls five eva.

You stayed because of girls five of us. Well, right. We shoot the show during the school year. and we got the kids into school here and it just didn't make sense for to try to be bi-coastal during the school year. It's too hard. It's too hard for me. Right. Do the kids like it here? Yes. And that's the other thing. I actually think a break from L.A. has been good for everybody in a lot of ways. Like the industry in L.A. But you think you're going to go back? Well, I love L.A. because I'm like really West Coast. Yeah. But also all of my friends. I lived.

there for like 23 years like all of my I went to college there I moved there right when I graduated from high school at 17 wow so I have friends there that are like you know do you have FOMO then being here a little bit no because you know what the algorithm just does not show any of my friends from L.A. I'm not kidding so I like rarely even see them hanging out like okay so the other thing about you that's not L.A and I told you this when we met is like you don't have Botox I don't. You don't have any of that stuff. No.

You have a real face. No Botox, no filler. Which, like, no hate to anybody that's getting Botox and fillers. Again, no judgment. No judgment. I'm even considering it. And I've actually judged in the past just when, you know, it's when I've seen it being overdone and on 23-year-old.

I was going to say, I get disappointed when, like, very young women start to fuck with their faces because I will say this, like. A 23, you don't need preventative. No, but here's the other thing, too. And people have, like, actually accused me of work, my face, because I've been on camera since I was 19 years old, my face as a teenager and my face today is totally different because having children, the hormones, like losing and gaining weight, like working out structurally, I can't even

explain to you, like, how different I look now. So people thought you got stuff done. But I'm just, my only point is like, 23-year-olds, calm down. down. Yeah. Like, there's a whole, like, you can, your face will change anyway. Your face is going to change. No, like, for me, like, I swear to guide you guys. Like, people think I have cheek bones now. And, like, not that I got it done, but like, oh, chiseled. And I think it's aging. I think, like, my face is drooping. Right. It's not drooping, but, like, you lose. Yeah, you lose. You lose. Like, my face is skinnier now just because I got older. No, and post

children. Post baby is, like, the hormonal shift. Did you breast? Did you breast? Are you still breastfeeding? Yeah, that's why. You're like, oh my God, I'm not going to stop. I'm stay chiseled. But I do love that. Do you feel like it's ever going to change for you? Are you open because you're so fluid?

Like, well, or is your... Yeah, I am like, again, like my rules in life aren't just that there are no rules. Oh my God. No, but like, she's our girl. Is that my, is that my real housewives thing? Wait, would you? The only rule in life is that there are no rules. Wait, imagine you get offered to be a New York City Housewives.

My old assistant, Raymond, was trying to convince me that that should be my next move. No fucking way. First of all, I, like... Maybe in 10 years, if you're in New York. No, but you know what's really funny is that I went to the Christian Seriano show last fall. I love him so much. And... He was on Project Runway, right?

Yeah. But he's just great. And, like, he's been a designer that's been committed to inclusivity and size and gender and everything, like, since the get, like, way before... Long before it was trendy. Yeah. And I was, like, sitting with this one. and then I went to this dinner after and she was like a fucking riot and I'm like oh my god like are you my new best friend in New York I don't really have friends the world's opening up again like

I want to be friends with this girl it was Leah shut the fuck up she was just in my podcast recently well I thought we were best friends and then nothing she never never talk her again I don't know maybe I was like I probably drank too much rosé for her because right she's in recovery oh yeah she's sober I get it I'm here for a sober journey yeah that was not my journey that night. And so I think maybe I tanked it. Oh my God. I'm so excited to tell you guys all this partnership. I've been waiting for it. So Embark, their purebred kit and Embark Breed Plus Health kit are both going to be offered here at a discount. If you guys have dogs, you're going to want to

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as a fellow even the way I felt the time was like she's doing on Instagram kind of like what I'm like the way I'm speaking to my audience I was like had no followers at the time but it was an inspiration aside from the fact I knew as an actress that in my belief the reason you got busy tonight was more based on that part of you than the actress part of you oh my God no it changed my career yeah the Instagram stuff changed everything for me really Yeah. I'm, oh, 100%. That's wild. That's why I got my book deal. It's how I got the talk show. Yeah. It was like, it was a, it was a real game changer.

So when it didn't get renewed or got canceled. Yes. Did the podcast come out of that? Like, okay, I can't speak here. You're not giving me this platform. Yeah, sort of. I mean, in the. And how angry are we still about it? I mean, at this point, I'm just like, I don't know. I can't even be angry. anything but but at the time at the time i was pissed uh your daughter wrote oh it's the funniest thing wrote did the letter get to well i mean sure i posted it oh right but i also am like i also am like a little bit of like a obviously i'm a little bit of like yeah a little bit like yeah like i which is gutsy because other people would try to like you know be be cool be cool oh yeah because you're like oh i don't know what's going to happen i think there are people that do not like me in this industry and like I think executives think I'm like an eye roll you know like they're not

they're not on board but I guess I think that they're all fucking dinosaurs and that the landscape of this industry is changing and that really it's the fans that get to decide and dictate now you look at like a situation like what happened they're all trying to keep up too you see it they're not and they're not doing a good job they're not but I see it with networks and I'm not going to name specific ones but I see it with networks and I see it with you know that they're like, oh, this is what the people like, so we'll try to give them that. But they're like seven months late and it's already changed and the people like something else. I just think that the move in the future is going to be sort of like direct to your people.

Yeah. And I hope that it like becomes, I hope that it's able to become more high quality and like, I don't know. It's hard to crack a system that's like been in place for. so long, but it's not a great system. It actually kind of sucks. And there are so many people there are just like justifying their paychecks in the entertainment industry. Yeah, your industry is wild. It's wild. Like people think, for example, like if there's a deadline article that says, you know, that the show's been picked up or that something, that it's like, oh, okay, we're going to see this show on TV. And, you know, five times out of 10 or six times out of 10, it's not going to make

it to the next. We just don't know those steps as normies. Right. But like there's so many. And many steps. And it's like exhausting because it's been run mostly by like old white men for so long. And what they want to watch is like maybe not what we all want to watch. Right. You know what I mean? So the podcast happened though because Casey and I were working my showrunner from busy tonight and I had gotten a few offers to like move the show to different places like it was like a streaming service that was launching and blah blah. And I just had this. moment of like, I can't keep doing this, like moving to where some fucking old white man is going to decide what my success is or isn't based on whatever.

Yeah. You know, there was so much information that we didn't know about me, like what was happening financially for the network and all of these things. Like, they just didn't tell us anything. So then they, we were doing well culturally. We were super successful. We were like, really more than that. like a lot of late night shows like pretty consistently in like all of the gossip magazines and

shit but there are things that like you know you can't control like a 40 million dollar hole in a network's budget that they're like i don't know trying to figure out so anyway so i had said to Casey like i know it would be nice to take this money but can we just not and try to do our own thing so we're building our own thing and we were doing a podcast to go along with it and And then the pandemic happened. And then I was, it was just a really hard time. And I was like trying to teach first grade and like whatever. So we paused it all.

And then a couple months later, because we had like signed a deal with a small podcast company. We now, we took it back and we do it ourselves now. Like we're totally self produced and self put out. With the show, so with the show run. Yeah, with Casey. She's my like co-host. But we sort of just changed the concept of the podcast to, like, having to pivot in your life because that's what keeps happening.

Like, we have to keep shifting and trying to figure out, like, what's next. Yeah. And, yeah, we've had some really great people who come on and tell us stories about, like, oh, yeah, I thought I was going to be this person and I'm this person instead. Whatever. I don't know. I really like it. Is it a weekly podcast?

It's weekly, but it's really long. It's long form. It's long form. It's long form. What's really long? Like two hours? It's over two hours. Oh, wow.

Sometimes it's three. Oh, my God. I know. It's intense. But people who love it. Yeah. Fucking, I mean, we really like. It sounds like armchair expert vibes.

Okay. What does that mean? Maybe. Have you listened? I remember that was one of my first podcasts. I was on it. I know. People.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I don't really listen to it. I know. It's hard. It's hard once, especially you have a podcast to listen to podcasts and especially doing so many things that you're doing. So now are you on a shooting break from Girls 5Eva until September? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Late October, I think. And the show is doing amazing. It's really great. People keep watch. Please keep watching it because it matters. On Peacacac. Baves. Like it's so weird. Well, it does matter. It matters for the three months after it comes out, I guess, in streaming. See, that's the other thing. It's like these algorithms. I was like, you're just like, what? Yeah. Well, you can't control it. So you just have to kind of like let it go.

One of my best friends works on this. Unless you're Jenny, like, I don't know, do a publicity tour. Send PR boxes. Tell Tina. I don't know. The other thing that's funny is when you told me when we met at the dinner and you were telling me that you're like, and then Tina called me and blah, blah. And I'm like listening to the story.

It took me like 15 minutes to realize you're talking about Tina Faye. Oh, God, that's so gross though. I'm so sorry. You're so Hollywood. It was so Hollywood. But also, I hate it when people do that. I hate it when people use a first name and not a last name, like, assuming that you know, I have a friend like that who's always like, well, you know, and then, you know, Karen and was like, I'm like, you never want to ask.

Yeah, you never want to ask. I know. Okay. But I ask. Yeah, well, I'm sorry. Yeah. That's weird. But it's also true.

Wait, and another really important thing because I feel like my followers will care about this. You're a friendship with Michelle Williams, the most, like, as opposed to you, she's like super mysterious. I mean, she's not to me. Oh, she's not to you. I'm saying, but to the public. Because you're kind of, you're not an open book, but we've, you know, the way you are on Instagram, people do feel part of your life more so. I think Michelle, I think I just posted about her.

I was like, you guys, do you know that Michelle's like married to a new guy is like, nobody knew? Like, she keeps it pretty, pretty tight. Yeah. Right. That's just that article. She was on the cover of variety or something. There was something.

And she's pregnant. And she's pregnant. And people were like, um, hello. And then we kind of had to backtrack. Oh, yeah. She has like a baby. And she has a baby now. No, she has a, this is their second.

Their second baby, right. Right. The pandemic's been great for people who want to be private. Literally. But same with me and Mark. I was like, oh, thank God for the pandemic. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean. And you're always so sweet with her on when you do like Instagram posts. Oh, I love her. But here's the thing with, with M. Like, I think that her desire to. like not be super out there publicly is just very genuine and comes from a place of like being on Dawson's Creek when she was really young, feeling way overexposed at a vulnerable time in her life and not wanting to focus, not wanting to focus on that. And like, so I...

The prisoner just left us. He gave up. He was done. I kind of like, don't blame him, but... I wonder who he hates more. Oh, you. Yeah. Yeah. I don't blame it. Like who me? He also doesn't understand. I mean, he doesn't kids, Dave. He doesn't know because. Yeah. But also, I don't know because I just like do my own podcast. I don't know, but let's just sit here. Because like, look, how cute we look. He said it's not. I put the bag here to ruin the for the cellulite vibes. Yeah. Yeah, I do it from, but okay, you do it from home. I know. It's such a hard thing. Because I feel like right now my office isn't set up for a guest, but I could change it. And like podcast shooters are annoying.

I know. It's just a thing. And Zoom, you're right. Zoom isn't it. But today, as much as I loved seeing you, wouldn't you rather be at your home? Yes. Okay. So that's why sometimes Zoom.

I almost texted you. If you did that to me today, Busy Phillips, I swear to fucking God. I swear to God, I have talked, I've been on the phone with like all these fucking organizations and shit this morning already. And I'm not even kidding you. We're like, I'm having this fucking girl's podcast. No, I was like, I'm going to those podcasts and everyone's like, you're a warrior. And I'm like, and I was like, you know what? I am. Okay. We got to be able to hold both. I know. I know. And you know, I did merge recently. It was called you could still be a mom and be a dumb bitch. And it's kind of. on that notion that you can be, you know. You don't, by the way, you don't have to know everything to know.

Well, you know a lot, though. You know, but you're a little intimidated with your knowledge. You people behind this. You don't have to know everything to know that like what other people are doing with their bodies doesn't involve you or the government. Yeah. Right. It involves like a doctor.

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Like, there's not, I think that there's been a false idea that, like, you can't care about avocado toast and abortion for all. But you can. Yeah. Like, you can watch the Kardashians and love them. Yeah. Enjoy the real housewives and still. No, this is a. Really, like, think deeply about how what's going on in the country is affecting the most vulnerable,

among us and the people that we should be protecting. And that's how you judge like any society, right? You know, it's so wild. I got messages this morning when I posted about it that was like, don't worry, you're in New York. Yeah, don't worry, girl. You can get an abortion. And like, but you know what's so wild is like I know that these people mean well, right?

I'm not, these aren't trolls, but it's like some people are not getting the point. I just want to say to you that in my own personal journey in like activism, and specifically with abortion, I spent many years of my life sort of thinking that. Like, I'm going to live in California or New York, so shrug emoji. Like, that's, you know, I understand the thought process because when you're younger, especially in your early 20s or whatever, mid-20s, or I think it's difficult to conceptualize.

the wholeness of the world. So you do sort of like focus just in your immediate. But this has been like this is the problem, right? Because this hard messaging against abortion, which by the way is like, I don't know if you know, I could teach a class basically and like you could probably teach me a lot of things. But like most Christian people who are anti-abortion now, like people. like our age or younger who have been raised believing like that abortion is murder and that

it's like horrible don't even realize that until after row Christians didn't care about abortion at all Catholics always had their thing with abortion but basically what happened was the religious right movement with Jerry Falwell and the leaders of the religious right these Christian men And specifically, Jerry Falwell had this university that he wanted to be tax exempt, but they were segregationists because they're racists and they wanted to keep it segregated. But you can't do that. That's not. And still get your tax break. So they were looking for ways.

They had like a think tank. How can we motivate people to vote for politicians that have racist ideology that will back the things we want? we got to pick something because the racism thing is like out of bad now this is like the earlyish 70s there's an amazing book about it and so they looked at a few different issues that they could like take to their congregants and motivate people and they looked at a case of a Catholic guy who was running very anti-abortion right post row and the entire like Catholic congregation, like, was out, like, papering for him. And the guy got elected to State Senate. And so they saw that happen. And they were like, well, that's it. We'll do

abortion. And then they took it on. And they were like, we're going to make this, like, the central core message. So it's so interesting because when people, when you hear people, I mean, obviously the fact is, yeah, you live in New York. You're also white. You also have money. Like, you're fine. We, of course. Obviously, these laws disproportionately affect black and brown people, indigenous communities, women in rural areas. But when you say that this is racist, like the root of this is racism. And that's like, that's it. And we should all care about that. Well, there's a, well, this is only coming out on Tuesday, but you posted that today we're recording on Friday and there's a protest tonight.

Sure. There'll be protests. I mean, there's actions that people can take. Can it be overturned? Is that a stupid question? Like, can their decision be over turn? Like, this is it. This is it for now. So, like, how, like, for people that feel now, like, why would I go to a protest? Why would I speak out? Why would I do that? What would you say to that? I mean, first of all, the Supreme, this Supreme Court is a sham, right? Like, they were put in place. I mean, women are already suffering, like, greatly in Texas. I have. you know, I've done work there, and I do this work with a bunch of different abortion organizations. But, like, to put it in perspective, there was a woman who had an intended pregnancy was suffering a miscarriage. A lot of people, men especially don't know, that sometimes if you have a miscarriage, it can be like a partial miscarriage, which means that part of the tissue and stuff is still inside your uterus. And you have to get abortion care. They have to have to remove it or it can turn into an infection, sepsis, and kill you, right? Well, Texas has their six-week ban. So after six weeks, no one is allowed to perform abortion care unless the woman's

life is at risk. This is a true patient story. She had a partial miscarriage. She went to the hospital. The insurance company that represents the hospital and the doctor who could provide the care told her that it was too risky for them to do it in this moment. And what they recommended was that she'd go home and wait until she felt like she was going into sepsis. You're giving me legit anxiety right now. For her temperature to raise over 104. Now, this. is a woman who had the means to fly to another state that afternoon. But can you even imagine you just lost the baby you want and then you're turned away from care and told to come back when you're dying, then they can do it. This is what's happening. This is now what's going to

happen in half of the fucking country. And it's not like, that's why people are like, I'm just so... Let's take a moment. It's so hard. I really, I really like, I want people to be as outraged as you are. I want everyone to be as outraged. How have you become so involved in it, though, even before? You said you've been involved in, like, abortion. I had an abortion when I was 15 in Arizona. And that abortion today would be like almost impossible, I think, for me to get, let's be real.

Arizona is one of the states that has a trigger ban. It's going to overturn soon. the best thing people can do honestly right now is donate to abortion funds what's a good one the national network of abortion funds is great jane's due process is in texas that's a good one too sister song is it's so wild to me this is like kind of real i feel like i'm listening to you and i like where are we yeah we're it's not good it's not good but where are we it's crazy it's a sad day But it's also like, there are a few glimmers of hope. First of all, yes, give a touch. Okay. So first of all, there's a lawsuit happening right now in Florida, which also has a trigger ban on the books and currently has an extreme abortion ban, that 15 week ban. And the lawsuit is from a congregation, a Jewish congregation, because the lawsuit states, and it is correct, that it infringes on religious freedoms.

because in Judaism, are you Jewish? In Judaism, you know that well-being of the mother takes precedent and, you know, there's this idea, like the idea of when life begins is a religious, is a religious ideology. And what actually these Supreme Court, it's so insane.

But what they're tying all, of these things, too, the gun stuff yesterday, the Miranda rights, and this decision on Dobbs, what they're tying it to is that it's not in the Constitution, but what is in the Constitution is religious freedom, is the freedom to practice your religion, how you see fit. Right. That's like one of the tenets of our country. Yeah. And when life begins is a religious thing. It's a religious ideology. The viability of a fetus when a fetus can exist outside of the womb was determined in a Supreme Court case, Casey, I think. Was it Casey? Post row. And that's what, 24 weeks, 25 weeks or something like that, 24, I think. So they were trying to really focus on for a while late term abortions and getting people like,

all spun up like Megynne talking on the view like all this insane all these insane lies about these late term abortions that are happening late term abortions are super super rare yeah like 98% of abortions happen in the first like yeah but like the first like 10 weeks yeah nine weeks and late term abortions are 100% of the time terribly tragic situations that no one involved as like. Right. Excited. You know what I mean?

Like no one's excited. I'm just like the idea that they were trying to put out into the world for a while. Trump was like, they're ripping these babies. Do you remember this? And Megan McCain like on The View, like saying it like it was real. It's so insane to me. I mean, people are allowed to say fucking anything. It's crazy.

It's crazy. Sorry. It's crazy. I know. I love you. Thank you so much. Oh, my God. But I was late.

I love you too. And I'm so glad we met. Me too. And everybody go check out Busy's podcast. Yeah. Busy Phillips is doing her best. Which she is. And watch Girls by Viva because I love it.

I know. And I'm on Instagram, of course. And Twitter's a trash fire. Yeah. Are you on TikTok? Well, no, because I made a deal with my kid that I wouldn't do it. Because Bertie was like, there's nothing more embarrassing than the moms that tried to do the dances. And I was like,

whoo. Yeah, it's not for you. It's not for me. I just don't get it. No, it's not for you. We're not on TikTok because we old and we were better on Instagram. So fuck it. Yeah, I have my way of communication. Yeah. It's not, I'll tell you what, this is why I related to you so much when I started following you back in 2016 or 17 when you were doing, do you think you were doing more then? Like, were you more on Instagram? Oh, 100%. Yeah. I have like way. slowed it the fuck down. Yeah. But then it was like, it was just that. You were just talking. It wasn't

curated. It wasn't. And back then, people were very much. Okay, so this is what's happening today. People have understood that it's cooler that way. So they're trying, but it doesn't come across as naturally as it does when somebody just does it that way. You understand? Yeah, but I think that piece of being self-aware that you had mentioned earlier is the key to life. It's key to life. Yeah, but it's the key to everything like when people ask you like how do you do it like la la la I'm sure that you're like well i don't know i just do it right but part of why you're able to and the way that you are is because you're just very self-aware yeah and self-awareness is the thing that has been lost by a lot of people read yeah agreed yeah okay busy i love you thank you thank you thank you guys so much for

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