Not Skinny But Not Fat - I'VE HAD IT w/ Angie Pumps Sullivan & Jennifer Welch

Episode Date: August 1, 2023

The hysterical ladies from the popular I've Had It podcast are here to discuss everything we've Had It with- from cringey influencer sayings to canned cocktails -and how this gem of a podcast came to be!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Amanda Hirsch from the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast. You might know me from Not Skinny Bonatha on Instagram where I spend my time talking about reality TV, celebrities, everything happening, and pop culture. I also talk to some of our favorite celebs and reality TV stars. We talk about what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking about your best friends in your living room. Oh, my God. I've had it, girls, on my show today. We're sitting at a table like we're doing the news.

Yes, we are. Very official in New York City. Oh, my God. These Oklahoma girls are taking New York. That's right. What's going on? So I've been referring to pumps since we've been here as big tits. in the big city.

I wish they weren't. I wish it was little tits in the big city. Really? Do you want to get a reduction? I hate, yes, I hate having huge boobs. Really? Yeah. I know.

I think it's always the people with big boobs on the small boobs and the people with small boobs on the big boobs. You always want what you can't have. But yeah, I picture myself in a white tank top with little nips. It would be so cute, like a la Kendall Jenner. Yes. Yes. And plus mine are saggy as I get older.

It's the sagging dragon. I was just looking today. I have a tattoo under my face. boob. You guys know where this is going. It's just like to see it. Like I like my boobs, to be honest, I do. I like them and I like natural boobs. I like boobs that like have a little gravity. But it's just wild. Like what was I, it's like you can't really see the tattoo. It's like right under. Jennifer Welch and Angie Pump Sullivan. Pumps, where did that come from? Jennifer and her husband. Oh, it's you? Nicknager. It's you. Yes, me. I'm the culprit. They nickname everything.

That family nicknames dogs, kids, each other. So I was Angelina Pumpkin. Tina, and then I was Tina full of pumps, and then pumps just stuck. Wait, and you came up with all of it? Yes. Your husband is cute. Yeah, he's super cute. He is really cute. Yeah, but we have to keep that on the DL because, you know, the narcissism, we've got to

keep it beaten down, Amanda. Like, you want to make sure you're, like, the hot one. Absolutely. And no one thinks otherwise. Right. Yeah. Right. I have to live with him.

So if we start going on a 10-minute, you know, like about how cute he is, he'll listen to it on repeat, and I live there. You know? Wait, do you tell him, do you get comments now? Like, oh, I mean, he loves, he always jokes around like he's been on our pot a couple of times. And he's like, I mean, the comment section is on fire for Josh Welch. He's got a great personality. And he's really self-deprecated. But like if he were sitting here, I'd be like, do not tell him he's too cute. Yeah. Right. He'd be like, I made it go on. Yeah. You know what's so funny. I feel like with men that happens, like women, we can get a thousand compliments a day. And then like one mean thing and we hate her. Yeah, right. With guys, like, they'll get one compliment. And then it's... And they'll be like, like, somebody says, excuse me to my husband on the street. And he's like, I don't know.

Like, I don't know. She, you know. You're like, how would you even deal with, like, getting two messages saying you're cute? Oh, yeah. It would be horrible. It would be bad for everybody. After you have sex with a man, the praise they need, like, how was it? And it's about a 10 to 20 minute, you know, lingering, permeating vibe where you have to go.

It was great. You did a great job. You were killing it. And what about how their ego gets bruised when you're not in the mood? Oh, yeah. It's a personal friend. You know, okay, so I heard this guy. Oh, my God, who said it?

Oh, is Zach Shepard? I love him. Oh, I got to love him. He said it and it really made sense. He said, because guys would fuck anything. Anything. Right. Unless, like, they hated the person.

Right. A guy can't understand why you wouldn't want to have sex with him, so they think you must hate him. Do you understand? Right. So I'm like, oh my God, but that's so far from the truth. Like with women, right? We have a thousand reasons. But that really, I'm like, oh, he thinks I hate him every time?

No, I'm just like tired. I have a headache. Have a tummy ache. Or especially after you've had kids, it's like I have been touching and dealing with somebody's needs all day long. You don't want anyone to fucking touch you. I know. You know, there's a phase when you have infant toddler where it's just like you're,

I was so done with taking care. care of kids. I'm like, nobody fucking touch me. Nobody talk to me. No, the men go through a lot when you have kids. Like, you're, when he put his feet on me on the couch at night. And I realized like, oh my God, I used to rub your feet. That's so cute. Yeah. Really, it's not

happening again. I was such a big wife. Like, puts his feet on me. I swear I looked at him like, gonna vomit. And he's like, you used to do it. And then he like flexes the toes. Oh. He does the little like, I'm ready. I'm ready for some. And I'm like, that is a really

not happening happening and i now when i think about i feel bad i'm like that used to happen i used to make you coffee in the morning yeah right these things that like are sorry and i have one kid how many kids do you have two do you have children three three yeah what happens then no nothing well you go through like mine now are 20 and 16 and so you kind of you know marriage is kind of like you fall in love you fuck like rabbits it's fucking awesome. Then you get married and you're like, shit, I fucking live with this person. And the way they breathe makes me hate their fucking guts. I hate them. And this is it. And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, you can fall in love again. It's a total schizophrenic. I was just actually telling my therapist this because like, and I don't want to

sound like I'm like really chic and in therapy for a long time. I went back two weeks ago and just canceled on her for this week. It sounds like I'm like one of those. I came back and I was like, Oh, it's $200. But you know, guys, I know what was so funny. When I came back to her, I used to go to her years ago when I was poor. And so she gave me, like, a really good rate. And she was apparently being considerate. And then I go into the room feeling I could talk about murdering somebody,

so I'm telling her how much money I'm making. Oh, gosh. And I'm like, this is a safe space. Not realizing we didn't discuss the new rate. Yeah. No, this is a true story. How stupid am I? You dicked yourself over.

And then when I start, like, hassling my way, she's like, Amanda. Like, you just told me, like. Right. I know you have the money. She literally had the guts to say that to me, though. That's pretty amazing for a therapist. She literally, like, is Amanda, like, you're making money now. Right.

You can do it. And I'm like, but I don't want to pay for this, you know? I have to come here and, like, I'm being forced to come here by some, like, internal. Anyway, what I figured out with her in the one time I went in the laws, whatever, was that she was like, you're liking him more. recently. And I was like, oh, I am. Yeah. How nice. I realized that like, you do that. There is, like, I hated him when Noah was born. Yes. Because, like, I had to give birth. Yeah. And you did this to me. Right. You know? Right. And you didn't

have to do any of it. Right. And also, he less needs you than me. Right. Yes. So I hate you. Yeah. And then it took me time. And I'm nice again. Yeah. I'm lucky for him. I'm nice again. But anyway, I want to talk about, you were just telling me because that you just started your pod and that I'm the reason. I'm just going. And then I made it happen. No, no, no, no. You really are. I was like, I was a tiny pot.

I'm like, what? So we started the pod. We were on a Bravo show for a couple of seasons. Sweet home, Oklahoma. Yeah. We had two seasons. And then... When was this?

This was 2016 or 2019. Okay. Okay. Was it just two of you? We had one other friend do it with us. How did that happen? And Josh, so it was just like a random. I got a Facebook message once from somebody that followed me on Instagram.

Followed your, like, design stuff? Just, I didn't even have a design. account at the time. But I mean, I did like Jennifer Welch and I would have design stuff. And then myself personally, I'm like, hey, we're casting for a reality show. I didn't think it was real. So I didn't respond. And then I got another one. So I Google the person. It's real. And I was Facebook friends with her and we had like some mutual friends. And then I'm on a Zoom, which was actually Skype at the time. And then literally three days later, a Bravo exec is in Oklahoma City. Did you know her before? I've known her for 20 years.

Oh, so you were kind of like, I have this friend. She's also great. But she didn't tell me about it. No. So I told the producer, I said, listen, when my friend pumps come over. She's fucking television gold. And I'm not going to tell her who you are or what you do. I'm just going to say you're a gay friend of mine that's in town.

So she comes over. She didn't tell you for real. No, did not tell me. She comes over to my back porch, no bra, sagging dragons, and her pajamas. She sits down. We do live close? Very close. Yeah.

She sits down, taps her Marlboro lights. puts on a surgical glove, takes her cigarette out, lights her glove, and says, So how long are you in Oklahoma City? And the guy is just like, how can we get this thing going? Like cameras, rolling. Oh, my God. Now I have to watch. Oh, yeah.

You got to go back and watch it. It was fun. The next day, though, she called me, goes, I have to tell you something about Babs. And I was like, okay, what? Yeah. She's like, he's around. And I was just like, that's bullshit. That's a scam.

I mean, we just did not believe it. And then it was true. And then it happened. How long from that meeting until when you started filming? Five months? Five or six months. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, first of all, now I really have to watch. So you do that Bravo show and then you and how the podcast come about. So six months ago, you said you started? Six months ago, for about a year and a half ago, our kids during COVID were like, you still have so many people that like you on Instagram that say bring the show back that are still fans. Why don't you guys do a podcast? Our teenage kids. So it's like, I mean, what the hell? We can try. I'm sure it'll face plant like nobody's business. And then we can just, after. that we can say we will never be in any sort of entertainment ever i mean that will be the end so we started up kiley joins us and a girl in the office i was like hey get me some cool podcasters because i don't listen to podcasts and if i do it's true crime i mean i need murder i need just dark the dark parts of

humanity yeah in my ear right so a girl that works for me millennial she's like she lists like 10 people where you were one of them i said message every single one of them you were the only one that responded and said, oh my gosh, yes, I would absolutely do your pod. And you were booked like two weeks out. So then I start listening. I'm like, oh, this girl is awesome. She's amazing. And we always say we will have the fondest spot in our hearts because you responded, like

you supported us, like a woman supporting other women, supporting the industry. And we got a big bump from your followers that came over. So I mean, seriously, like you did something really, really sweet. Oh, my God. That's so cool. I've had it. is a, like, I'm jealous. Like, I want to talk about that every day.

Oh, yeah. When I was asked to come on your pot, and I looked at the clips, they were so funny. Both of you were so funny. The theme of the podcast, I love when a podcast has a theme. You know, there's so many podcasts out there. And it's like, you don't know sometimes, like, oh, but what is this about? Right. So I really like when it has, like, a vibe, like a certain kind of thing.

So I've had it. I just, like, spoke to me. And then when the, whoever was contacting me about coming on was, like, think about a few I've had it. I was like, every day, I was like, I got out of this. I was just like, and now I just keep a, I feel like I keep a list now. Because now when we scheduled you to come on mine, I was like, if you think we're not doing I've had it, we are. I'm stealing your show. So I started writing them down for this and I'm like, I've had it as such a genius kind of concept. How'd you come up with that one? So for years, we would always say, let's have a dead horse session where we beat a

dead horse, where we drag out a dead horse and beat the ever-living shit out of it. Neither one of a smoke anymore, but we both used to smoke. We'd get up at six. Six. Yeah. Six. Yeah. I love. I like promote Sigs on my account. People don't like that so much. And I don't even really smoke anymore either. I used to. But I think some people really look cool doing it. And I'm going to say it. It's so much cooler than vaping. Yeah. I know. I know. We'd wake up at 5 a.m. And I have always for years, my mother always has said, I've had it. And I've always said, if you watch our TV show, you'll hear me say, I have had it. Yeah. And so it was just a natural progression.

of what our friendship is. Yeah. And our default setting, we're pretty positive people, but we are kind of cynical and we love to just. Petty shit. Yeah. You know, that's, it's therapeutic. Yeah. Recently.

Yeah. What? Is it the clips? The clips. And then, like, you know that usually podcast clips, like, don't go very well. So whoever is doing them for you. It's Kyler. Over there.

I'm telling you, podcast clips are, like, not where it's at. Somehow, your recipe, whatever it is, is working. Yeah. How do you explain it? Well, we don't know what the fuck we're doing. Yeah, we have no idea. Women, okay? So it was a perfect storm if we have, what you see this is a very organic friendship.

Yeah. And whether we're talking about what we've had it with on a pod, we still talk on the phone 23 and four times a day. Yeah. We're sharing a hotel room. People love like the natural shit. Yeah. Or like you can't try.

Sometimes like the recipe for success is just like having it. Like chemistry. We have a really good chemistry. Yeah. It's like a perfect storm. We had that. And then Kylie has just an incredible knack for understanding how to create content and blow shit up. She was like, my goal is I'm going to blow you guys up on social media.

She also looks like she's not from Oklahoma. We were just. She's from Stillwater, Oklahoma. Is that like small? Yes. No, that's, I mean, do I look like I'm from Oklahoma? No, you don't. I probably look like I'm from Oklahoma.

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meeting with interior design clients. So I came up here three and four times a year. I travel abroad. I mean, so I'm not just like, you know, some redneck like pumps. Now I am a redneck. I'm a total redneck. So your kids are like teenagers. Yes. I have one that just finished junior year in college. One just finished sophomore year in college. And then I have junior in high school. Are they friends at all? Oh yeah. Yeah, they're friends. Do they get a embarrassed now that the clips are like viral? My oldest, he was, he's at college in a fraternity and he's like, mom, you would not believe how many people come in here and go, why is your mom on my TikTok? Oh my gosh. Oh, you're on TikTok too. The clips are on TikTok. Oh, my geez. That's where it's the most

viral is TikTok. Yeah. And my kids love it. I mean, they absolutely love it. Yeah, Roman, my youngest son, one of his moms has like a YouTube channel where she's like a YouTube evangelical preacher. And so he's like, Mom, you're just so much cool. I mean, I would die of embarrassment. So it's like the opposite of embarrassed. They think it's cool. My kids? Yeah. They think it's cool. Oh, my God. My boys don't watch. I mean, my daughter's totally into it, but my, both my boys are like, nah. Yeah. I asked my son one time why he doesn't watch him. I have listened to you and Jennifer say that crap my entire life. It's like the soundtrack of my life. So why would I listen to it? So how do you know each other for 20 years? I hired her to do an interior design project on my first house.

Oh, wow. Yeah. But my husband and Pamps knew each other before. Right. Through legal circles. Because he's an attorney and I'm an attorney. Oh, you're an attorney. Do you still practice?

Yes. Just divorce, though. That's the only thing I know anything about. Oh, my God. Stop. People hire you to do their divorces? Yes. Damn.

Do you usually do the wife or the husband? Typically, I mean, either. She just did a lesbian divorce. I just did a lesbian divorce. Oh, my God. I think you ever use it for content? No. Okay.

No, I know you can't sell like names and stuff, but stories. Well, certain, some little stories. The edges. Yeah, she can't dabble on the edges of old cases. But yeah, I can't get too far into it. But I get a lot of weird shit happening. I feel like it's kind of, is it sad doing divorces or is it kind of like salacious? There's a lot of salaciousness to it.

And a lot of times it's happy because somebody's getting out of a really bad situation. But what I hate is fighting over kids, which is a lot of what I do. And you just know that it's going to be really hard on this. them. Yeah. You know who just filed for divorce? I wonder if this is too niche for you guys. You know the actor Jeremy Allen White. He was in Shameless. They're both looking at me if you guys know. Okay. I watched Shameless. I watch Shameless too. Okay. Lip. He smoked six. I have to see his face. Yeah. Okay. He was now in the bear. Oh, okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. So he, so it was just announced that him and his wife, they've been together since he was 14 years old. They were 14. Just

announce for divorce. And now I just read that she filed. And I feel like when somebody files, you can kind of start deducing what happened. No? It's really hard to do that because sometimes people want to run out to the courthouse and file first. But really, there's no advantage to it. But like if he's in New York, he'll have to prove fault. We don't have that. No, but like if she filed, that means that she's mad, that she wanted to, that she wanted out? Not always? Not always. Okay. Because there's like cheating rumors. So I'm like if she filed, And he might be cheating. Now, that happens.

That happens. You know. Anyway, that's the recent divorce. I have some. I've had it. Oh, good. Okay. Let's hear him.

Okay. This is a big one. You know Sophia Ritchie? Yes. Okay. I've been following her for so long. Even before her and Scott Dissick were dating. Then she had this glow up, which we call the post Scott Effect.

Because everybody who dates Scott Dissick, when they date them, they're not too great. After they glow up. Which is, I don't think he's that hot. But it's not even about the hot. First of all, he's cute. He is cute. He might not be in his best, you know, shape right now. Right.

But he's, like, funny. Okay. You know, he's cute. But, and he gets these girls. And when they're dating him, you're like, oh, whatever. Like, because he dates, he's, like, young girls. But when they break up, Sophia got this, like, glow up. She's, like, a Chanel girlie now.

She's, like, all classy. She's, like, 24. She's classier than I'll ever be. And Amelia Gray Hamlin, you know, the daughter of Lisa. Erin. Yes. Yes. So she dated him. It was also kind of a child. Then now she's like this like fashion model. She's very chic. So it's like the post Scott glow up. It's called. So Sophia Ritchie had it. Super famous, you know, on Instagram and whatever. But no one was really noticing. I was following her. I was always like, you guys, she's so chic. She's so this. She's so perfect.

She just got married to this really rich British dude. I saw that. I saw that. And again, And everything, Chanel, very chic. And her wedding kind of went viral. Yeah. That's how I saw it. Yeah. And she gained because I kept track because it was so interesting to me. She gained like over a million followers in the course of that like wedding, which was like a couple of days.

And now she's getting invited to the fashion shows. She's getting the big sponsorships. And not that she wasn't followed before. She was. Right. But this is my I've had it is I love Sophia, liked her, think she's great for a while. I feel like the herd mentality that can sometimes be negative with like the cancellations and the hating on someone also works in the other way sometimes where it's like, oh my God, Sophia, where it's like, hello. Yeah.

Or with Ariana from Vanderpump Rules. Do you know the Vanderpump Rules drama? Yes. Yes, but I don't know who, I mean, I don't know who the players are, but I've heard about it. She's the one that was cheated on that now she's being invited to like the White House dinner for being cheated on. And I love Ariana, but these are two examples of like the herd mentality. that happens here. Right.

I don't know what here is. Maybe it doesn't happen in, like, Spain. But I feel like in Spain it doesn't happen. You know, they just like like people and they don't make a big deal. Here it's like, can we just have things in moderation? Oh, no. Absolutely not. Like I like Sophia, but now they're blowing her up.

And what I'm scared is going to happen is I just fear for it. Because I'm like, now you're going to blow her up. You're going to put her on this pedestal. You're going to make her this untouchable. goddess where it's like she's been here she's been looking this cute she's been living her life and with arreana from vanderpump rules she was cheated on that's awful but let's not make her the prime minister right you know she's not she's not she's not curing cancer right right it's wild to me and everyone's like she needs to be you know the next this and she needs to go to the met gala it's

like no aryana's not going to be invited to and again love arreana right but it scares me when people below people up and blow people down right people up in both ways right right right now i see it's kind of like pedro pascal yes he's been this amazing actor yes for a long time yes hello and then all of a sudden like it's i think it's the introduction of like social media and more people are on it just exacerbates and everybody has to be like oh i've got to follow him my friends are following and they're right and it makes me feel so yucky when i you know i wasn't Zadding Pedro. Pedro. I heard that saying Pedro is not good. Oh, Pedro. Pedro. Yeah. We're from Oklahoma, so it's Pedro. Pedro. Pedro. So I was trying

to just be like, I was watching his show. The Last of Us was good. But I wasn't being all like, Zaddy, zaddy. You know, I was trying to avoid being like everybody else. Then I saw this interview with him and I put up and I was like, fuck it. Like, I'm like everybody else. He's great. He's great. I want to not. But I liked him before that as well. He was in Game of Thrones. He was around. He was in Narcos. I loved him in Narcos. Incredible. And so he's had this amazing career. And now it's like all of a sudden. It's too much. He's been incredible and an incredible actor all this time. But he's like the flavor of the month. Right. And that's what we do. I wonder if they get worried. Like if he's

writing it being like, oh my God, this is great. Or if he's like, because I feel the way of a Jennifer Coolidge, I think that she's a good example too. She's been all around. I mean, forever. Right. Best in Show is one of the best movies ever. Yeah. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen Best in Show. Awful I should, right? Incredible. But she's been in Seinfeld and Legally Blonde. Obviously, cameos up the wazoo, Stifler's mom, all this shit.

She, I did the red carpet for this J-Lo movie with Josh Dumel, and she was a small part. I love Josh Jamel. So, so sexy, yeah. Thought we had a moment, looked back, probably wasn't a moment. Yeah. So it was so funny because it was J-Lo and Josh's movie, but Jennifer had the role as his mom, which is probably filmed before she blew up on White Lotus. Right. So, and you could tell when you're on a carpet, who's, like, the most important

person of the night based on, like, you know, who comes out first or, like, the extras and, like, then the directors and nobody really cares to talk to. And then you would think, like, J-Lo and Josh would come last, but no, no, no. Oh, really? And J-Lo and Joss stopped to talk to me. Guess who didn't stop to talk to me? She was too big time. She was too big time. Her publicist wouldn't let her talk to anybody. Yeah.

Like, they swept her away, and I was like. But my point of that is not to say that. It's also to show like that she was the diva of the night, which like poor J-Lo, because every reporter on the carpet was like, what was it like working with Jennifer Coolidge? And I'm like, J-Lo was the start of the movie. But only anybody cared to talk about with Jennifer Coolidge. But one of my questions for Jennifer that I didn't get to ask because she didn't stop talking to me was because that would be me because I'm such a fucking negative person. but it would be, are you so happy about this?

Or are you also like, fuck you, I've been around? You know what I mean? Is there any part of you that has that like, hello, I've been here, dying for some fucking love, you know? I think if you're an athlete or an actress or you're in the entertainment industry, you have to ride that wave when you can ride it. Whenever it comes. Because there's always going to be the next bright, shiny objects. So, I mean, I'm sure they probably feel that to some extent. extent, but I would say you've got to write it, you know, as best you can because it's going

to, you know, deflate at some point. Like, ride it, but also know that it's ending. Absolutely. It doesn't go on forever. And also, the thing about social media that bothers me is, like you said, they build somebody up, build somebody up, and then the minute they put a foot wrong, they just tear them down. Yeah.

I mean, it's like they almost lift them up so they can tear them down at some point. They lift them up. They create like this unreal thing of this perfect human that they don't, you don't know Pedro. But the thing, like Bad Bunny and Kendall Jenner, like his fans went fucking wild. I don't know if you girls heard this, but Bad Bunny is a Latino rapper, singer. So they started dating his fans went fucking wild. Like, she doesn't deserve him.

He doesn't, he's not into the Kardashian bullshit, whatever. I'm like, how do you know him? Right. What if he loves that bullshit? Anyway, I've had it with that too. Okay. I have another I've had it. Okay.

This is so fun. I'm so jealous of your show. I could do this all day. Okay. Caned motherfucking alcohol. Oh, yeah. The brands keep on coming out. Yeah. Do you drink them?

I don't drink anymore. I used to. I don't drink anymore either. What? We're just boring. When you get... No, I know. I can't do fucking anything anymore.

And you get older, like if I... Well, my husband's been to rehab. Cute Josh has been to rehab five times. Cute Josh. Cute Josh, the narcissist. It's not so cute. Has been to rehab five fucking times, Amanda. So finally, after the first.

fifth one. I was like, I'll probably just kind of, I was so done with you. With everything. Like, it had haunted my life for too long. I was just like, fuck it. Let's just all quit drinking. So I don't really drink anymore, but I know what you're talking about, these, all of the canned, what are they called, like white claws? Yeah, I've never had a white claw. People are going to, so you don't drink either. High news. You look like you would be fun to drink with. I am. Oh, she was a blast to drink with. Wait, so why did you stop drinking? The days after, we're too hard. It was too crazy.

Yeah. And I didn't do it super much, but no, yeah. But when she did. When I did, it was. Remember when we were in Dallas and you got kind of put under house arrest at Mekasina? Oh, God, that was horrible. Wait, what was it? Okay, so we're in Dallas.

And we're at Highland Park Village, which has all of the, like, you know, Gucci, all the designer shops. And there's this Mexican restaurant called Mikosina where everybody kind of goes and they have this drink. I forget what it's called. It sounds like a swirl margarated, like big huge. Yeah. So I'm dying to go shopping. Pumps hate shopping. So myself and two of our girlfriends go shopping. She's like, I'm just going to stay here and smoke and drink these margaritas. So she's sitting outside like, here's me, Cassina, here's Gucci. She's just sitting there just like smoking. We're gone for like 45 minutes. We come back and she's sitting there and there's like a waiter standing right next to her. And she's like, this motherfucker he like won't let me leave and he's got my ID. And I'm like, what is going on here? And she's like, I don't know.

He's a fucking asshole. And he's got my ID and he won't give me my ID back. And I said, what happened? And he's like, she left and walked over to Tom Thumb to buy cigarettes. To buy cigarettes, we thought she walked her tab. So they came and confiscated her ID and we're trying to cut her off. She's mother fucking them. And I'm like, we've got this.

Give me her ID. I'll pay the tab. And she's like, at this point, she's like, fuck you, fuck you. And fuck you. Who's next? It's not pretty. She's a total blast drink with. Oh, my God.

That sounds fun. It sounds fun. It sounds fun. We've had 20 years of fun moments. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. And then I know it's so sad that alcohol doesn't like agree with you after a serenage.

Yeah. That's so true. It really doesn't. It screws with your sleep. That's the number one. Yeah. It screws with your sleep with your next day. It becomes.

And do you feel like you're as fun without drinking now? I kind of do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can be fun. You guys.

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and stuff. Do you follow influencers and like people on social media? I follow a couple. Okay. I'm not wondering how. Leonie. She's like a German. Like, she's a very niche. you won't even know what I'm talking about, but we'll try. Okay. So when an influencer is working with a brand and they're like, I love my, let's say, I'm drinking pollen spring water. I love my pollen spring family. You know what I'm talking about?

I love my percent. And for like more successful influencers, like, I love my Dolce Jacobana family. Oh, yeah. I're not with that. They are not. They are not. And you hate them. You hate them.

I have fucking had it with that. Immediately. Yeah. You know, I was showing. I was showing. I was showing Pumps this morning that there are people online on Instagram that are faux fluencers. They have about 2,000 followers. They get about 20 likes per post.

But they're still putting it out there. She's like, okay. Hi, guys. All 10. Hi, guys. Get ready with me this morning. So what I do. And I look and it's like one like zero comments.

And I'm like, and the commitment to it goes back, she, multiple weeks. And I'm like, but you got to give it. You got to give it. You say like commitment, they think one of those, get ready with me. So right, that was my big one on your show. Right. One of these GRWMs will go viral. So help me fucking God, you know.

The commitment. I know, but you have to be committed. You have to. You have to be committed. I mean, if I, I'm not pooing your, your, because I'm a hater. I get it. And to tell their day like anyone's, listening, you know? Right, right. I know. But I also think in the like, in the optimistic,

cute way, it's like, you do it. You do it until, until someone likes it, you know? Right. I'm still going to maintain my cynicism about it, Amanda. I appreciate your optimism. So they stop? Yes, because the market is saturated. Right. Yeah. Unless you're bringing something new. Right. Right. If you want to, you know, unless you're bringing something new, then yes, I agree. This is a path to just, I mean, I think, I imagine it's a post and then suicide watch, a post and then suicide watch. Because you're not getting, I mean, in this one gal that I showed her, I mean, we're going two years back. And I just think at some point, you've got to face the music and say, this market is super saturated. You know what I think it's hard, because you see another one and another one.

You're like, I could do that. I use COSA's concealer. Right. I could put it on and smudge it in. Okay. What do you guys think about text message reactions? Are you? you a text message reactor. Like with an emoji? Like, like. Oh, reacting to the deal. No. Like, you get a text and instead of responding, you like thumbs up.

Oh, okay. Smile emoji it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So I, when that first came out, I was livid. Yeah. Because I'll have a group text with people about going somewhere.

And then it's like, like, like, like, I was like, so we get on, we get where we're going. I'm like, you motherfuckers, I hate that. Don't ever do that again. It drives me fucking bananas. Yeah. Fast forward to today, where it's so easy. It's just like, okay, got it.

Okay, got it. I don't, a lot of times I do not respond that I got it. I just assume, okay, they sent it, I read it, move on down the road. It doesn't require a response. Well, most people, they like a response. They like acknowledgement. I know. So I have fallen into the trap.

Would you emoji someone that you like really thought highly of? That's the question. Yeah, probably not. I would respond. I would respond. I feel like we emoji people that were like. like whatever. She got her thumbs up. She could show the fuck up. But if it was someone that you were, like, excited about the text, whether it was like a romantic thing or like a friend you were looking to have, then you wouldn't fucking emoji that text. No, that's right. There are degrees of text responses. The people you like, the people that you do a lot of business with that help you make money or that you make money with, there's a proper written response. And then it goes down to finally a thumb. And maybe.

What about exclamation? What is that one? like reminding you i do that with my kids if i text them something and there's no response i go in and do the exclamation point like look look here this and respond i do that one too sometimes they'll i'll just keep hitting it back and forth until they're like mother i'm like get off snapchat and respond to your mother is cute because that's like i responded and now i can write something yeah but i think that i my ego is so big like respond to me right right i want a word thank you yeah right don't fucking thumbs up i'm fine with the thumbs up okay i'm totally totally fine with it because I don't, I want to limit my communication with people as much

as possible. I want to make my world as small as possible. Wait, what about people call you randomly? How do you feel about that? I don't, oh, to just chat? Like, yeah, like you're texting with somebody about something and then they just call you instead of texting one time. So here's a prime example of this. So Josh, the hot husband, he, I've been in New York for a week and he messages me, I have a guy coming to the house to detail the cars. I said, oh my God, that's great, mine needs it so badly. A minute later, he called. And then he repeats exactly what he texted to me.

I hate that. And I was like, uh-huh. And he goes, you sound irritated. I go, we just established all of this via text, Josh. He goes, but you sounded so enthusiastic. I thought I'd call and take a victory lap. And I go, you're like my 75-year-old dad right now that you bitch about nonstop, that he repeats the story.

And he was like, let's keep talking about what a great husband I am that I'm getting your car detailed. About the fact that got, like, people don't know this. I feel like this is kind of a down low fact. Dudes like talking on the phone more than women. I agree. Totally. Completely agree.

My husband talks to his friends on the phone. I'm like, what do you talk about? You don't talk to me this much. Right. What are you talking about? Are you closing business deals? Because it's the only thing that, like, I can approve of right now. Right.

Because this is, and us girls, it's like, if you're calling me, it's like, if I'm on a walk or something. But if I'm like not, you know, there are certain things you want to be on a phone call for. Like getting a pedicure, going on a walk. Right. But like not randomly in life. No. Right.

What about a random FaceTime call? Oh, I hate them. I don't answer. Well, it depends on who. Don't answer. They're like, oh, my God, that's aggressive. It depends on who it is. Right.

Like, if my kid's FaceTime, I'm excited. My oldest son goes to school at Syracuse, so we FaceTime a lot. I'll try to FaceTime her and she won't answer it. No. She will. She doesn't like, when you get older. When you get to be a little older, that face looking back at you is not what you think it is. Well, she's obviously feeling it.

She wants to go on camera. Yeah. No. Well, it seems I just like to, sometimes I like a FaceTime. Yeah, I'm not a FaceTime. And how many days a week do you see each other, though? One? Oh, God, no.

Five. A lot. Stop. All the time. All the time. Every day, probably. Every day? Maybe not Saturday and Sunday.

Like, for work or for, well, no, we're genuinely like soulmates. We are soulmates. Yeah. Yeah. If we could choose to be lesbians and marry each other, we would. Oh, my God. Are your husband's friends? I have an ex-husband. Okay. Yeah. But they were. They were friendly. Wait, so is Pump single? I am. Stop. Ready to mingle. Wait, how do we get? How do we get? I'm a terrible dater. Wait, what about, like, from the podcast? I want her to date, but I also think. You need to do like a pumps, a pump's, like dating segment.

They're trying to get me to become a lesbian. We want her to become a lesbian. She likes soft. She likes sports. She hates shopping. She gets along better with women than men. I think she'd be a great lesbian. I would be a great lesbian. Women are leaving heterosexual life in large numbers right now. And I think it would be a great second story.

Second act. It would be good for content. It would be good for content, too. Yeah. So we're following kind of a pumps lesbian arc. Okay. I want to know some of your biggest I've had it's of the past, like, week. Okay. You go first. Okay, so I went to dinner at Veronica the other night with some clients

and this guy that I do business with up here. Sit down and you know everything in New York is close together. Tables are close together because there's not as much space. Sit down, beautiful restaurant and that Ann Adelvie building, you know, is so fabulous. And this woman sitting next to us is screaming at the top of her lungs and it's just her voice and she's yelling and she's going on and on, and it's not neither boring. Well, she talks, she's talking to someone, just really loud. She's talking to her friend. There's two girls at dinner, and it's just like, you know, when I was in D.C. last week,

and it's not interesting. It's completely boring. It wasn't funny or clever. And then the sound of the voice was like fingernails on a chalkboard. And Pumps has a tendency to be loud. And I'll look at her and say, why are you screaming, lower your voice? And she'll say, okay. And that's what your friend does.

So I didn't know who I was angrier with. the yak mouth that was screaming at the top of her lungs. Or the friend that wasn't controlling her. Or the friends that was enabling. She was totally enabling this rabid behavior. And I mean, four tables over, everybody is miserable with this woman. Oh, my God. And I had completely had it. I've also completely had it with people that don't understand escalator etiquette. What is that? Okay, what's etiquette? Okay. I stand to the side. I like the subway when I'm here. I take the subway. You do. I love it. I take it all the time. Love it. Know how to run it. the whole thing.

So you stand on the right, you pass on the left. Okay, right. So if you're not going to walk and you want to stand and dick off on your phone, fine. I can swing for the faces. But you stand and you hug over to the right side as close as you can because there's psychos like me. They want to run down it. I don't get cycles like you.

Take the ride. I don't want. It's a moving thing. You're already moving. You get that many more steps. You're burning more calories. Oh, my gosh. Amanda? She's one of those. How do you relate to that? Do you do? I'm a hustler when I walk.

Yeah? Okay. What are yours? My biggest I've had it this last week has been drivers that sit at a light and do or texting or doing something on their phone and they don't go and you have to honk. I did a three honk circle around downtown the other day. I'm like, motherfuckers, just watch them. Just watch it. It's not that hard. No, when I see people on their phone. Yeah. I want to be a Karen. Like that brings out my Karen. Yeah. That's like one of the only things. things that you want to be like, don't fucking do that. And if you do it, be better at doing it. Right. And if you're going to make me miss a light, then I'm going to fucking hate your guts. Yeah. No, that's really annoying. Are there any celebs you've had it with? I'm trying to I love him. I think he's hot. I think he's great. There are people, oh, I've had it with the British Royal Family. Okay. Enough. You're over it. I just, I think you're either in it or you're not in it. I felt like when they trotted out. I'm also scared to say like what side I'm on.

The people are... I can see both sides. Okay. But when they trotted out King Charles coronation, and I'm like, oh, my God. What is Katie Perry doing there? What was your first question? Well, but I just thought... That's what made the news.

I was like, I didn't even know about this coronation, but Katie Perry can find her seat, and that made... Right. That went viral. That's what I'm saying. Like, who cares? It was a snooze fest beyond all snooze fest. It made me appreciate this fucking barbaric American culture that we have.

Because we elected this very... old man, Joe Biden, and it was a fucking rock show with fireworks. And it made him look cool. Katie Perry was there too. Yes. John Legend. John Legend was there. And I'm like, okay, that's the way you fucking do it. And they're in there in the Anglican church. I literally wouldn't go if I was invited. It was so. It just doesn't look fun. Three hours sitting there. Unless I was like paid. I would rather paint all of these walls. If I was paid, I'd go. Because Katie was probably, did Katie perform? She performed the next day. The next day. But during. The actual coronation, I mean snooze vest.

I would rather paint the interior of these walls with a Q-tip, with a fucking Q-tip. What about you? I don't really. No celebs that you've had it with? No. I don't think so. What about a reality TV show you've had it with? All of them.

Okay, I have had it with. Every single one of them, I hate them. The only reality TV show that I love, love, love, never missed was Real Housewives of New York City. Yeah. Loved them. And so then they got rid of all those people. and I'm like totally bummed. I haven't seen the new one. I know, but they keep on telling us like they're going to do something with the people. But we don't know. No, I miss that. That's not only. You don't watch any reality TV? None. None. We were on reality TV. I don't watch reality TV. And it's funny because you'll see people that recognize this from the Bravo show. And they're like, oh, well, you know, Ramona. Like we know. I wonder if they're going to want to bring you back. Like, I don't, we don't want to do it. No. No. It's fun. So glad we did it. It gave us the platform to, you know, do this podcast. But everywhere you guys. go, there's 30 people with you.

You have to think of shit to do. Right. Because your normal life is boring. I'm sitting at a computer, picking fabric swatches. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, so you have to condense. It's not, it's not scripted per se, but it's like, okay, let's go bowling. Let's go.

You have to create these events that are filmable. That doesn't sound so funny. Let's go bowling. You're trying to think of stuff like, at their birthday party for my dog. And also, is Oklahoma, I'm assuming like, more people would know you and it would be like kind of annoying. They were all real. I mean, Oklahoma City is nice people.

A city of a million people. So it's very urban and, you know. But we're spread out, we have more space with our million people than any other city. Really? Uh-huh. Okay. Last question. Okay.

Have you ever had it with each other? I don't think so. What? We've only been in one fight. Yeah. It wasn't really even a fight because we both were like, I'm sorry, I hurt your feelings. I'm sorry, I hurt your feelings. Yeah, we were both going to L.A. on separate flights. We kind of got, I didn't even remember what it was about.

recently? No, this was years ago. Years ago. And we kind of, it was like, well, you should have done this. Well, you should have done this. And then we both had to power down. We're on separate flights. And then by the time we landed, it was like, oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry.

But like, here's the great thing about our friendship. If I irritate her, she will look at me and go, oh, fuck off. And I'll just say, okay, or I'll go, you fuck off. And then we keep going because we both have super thick skin. So if I've had it with her, I tell her actively in the moment. Oh, see, that's, that's, I feel like that's key. Key for any relationship. I'm like, go fuck yourself.

And she's like, you go fuck yourself. And then we just, it's off our chest. And then we just proceed with life. And so, yeah, we have it with each other frequently. And it's an immediate, go fuck yourself. Move on. It's like on the notebook when he's like trying to convince her to stay. You annoy me.

And then I have a, you have like a 10 second rebound. And then I love you again. We're the notebook. We are. We are. We are soulmates in the notebook. Yes. You guys shouldn't recreate a notebook.

for your next viral real. Yes, that's what we need to do. Girls, thank you so much, Angie and Jennifer. Do people call you Jen? Jen. Jen. She calls me Jenny. I call her Jenny.

You do. So happy for your success. Oh, thank you. And you're hilarious and fun. Everyone, go check out their podcast. I've had it. And thank you for listening. Thank you for having.

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