Not Skinny But Not Fat - Jackie Tohn is Happy To Be Here!

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Jackie Tohn is here! You might know her as Esther (aka the “naggy wife”) from Netflix’s Nobody Wants This, but Jackie’s been at this for decades. We get into her Hollywood-themed Bat Mitzvah (she literally manifested her career), filming The Nanny at ten, why she never wanted to be “famous famous” like her BFF Kristen Bell, and what it was like stepping into Nobody Wants This season 2.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Right now, IQBAR is offering our special podcast listeners twenty percent off all IQBAR products—including the sampler pack—plus FREE shipping. To get your twenty percent off, text NOTSKINNY to 64000. Message and data rates may apply. See terms for details.To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99 with shipping included. That's $100 off your first six bottles at nakedwines.com/NOTSKINNY and use the code AND password NOTSKINNY for six bottles of wine for $39.99For a limited time, Nutrafol is offering our listeners ten dollars off your first month’s subscription and free shipping when you go to Nutrafol.com and enter the promo code NOTSKINNY10Keep it classic and cozy this fall cool—with long-lasting staples from Quince. Go to Quince.com/notskinny for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/NOTSKINNYEarn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home, by going to joinbilt.com/notskinny. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you.Find Saie at sephora.com and every Sephora store across the US and Canada at saiehello.comProduced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hello. Hi, guys. It's Amanda. Yes, it's a little different Amanda because she's had a week. She's had a week. And I was like, I'm so self-conscious. I was like, my people are going to think that I was like abducted by aliens and like another Amanda was returned because why is she out and about every day when she's usually at home in her pajamas? So here's what happened. Sometimes you manifest and like, be careful what you manifest. for because everybody knows about my year of yes, 2025, which is crazy. We're almost in 26. Like, that's it. My year of yes is almost over. And it's like I created an amendum,

amendum. How do you say that word? In September, I had this weird, freaky, like, not spiritual experience, like dumb bit spiritual experience where I was like, because I know like during Rosh Hashanah, like the sky's open for a second. You can like, ask for shit, make sure you get into like the heavens of the Jews. Anyway, I'm not here to explain Judaism. There was something about September energetically, I know, bear with me, where I was like, I feel like this is like my month to really put it all out, put it all out there. And like let's change up this like old Amanda who's like anti going anywhere, anti doing anything, just wants to do what she's like comfortable with, which is like her pod, her insubes.

Instagram, stay at home with her family, like, go out maybe when it's like a paid job or like a friend's thing, you know? And I was like, let's fucking change it up. Like, I've been in the bears. Like, I've been around for a while and like, it's time to like have some fun. Change it up. Try the thing that you were scared to do or had something blocking you from doing. So I literally put that out in the universe. Like, this is my year of like doing the things that I didn't want to do. Like, I never was into, like, going anywhere to just, like, you know, be seen, mingle, take the photo. I'm like, no, go fucking take the photo. Take the motherfucking photo.

Like, go to the cool event that, like, you know, you don't have to be there, but it's, like, fucking cool if you are. So it's kind of all that happening at the same time. And I'm kind of comparing it to, you know, when an actor has, like, a lot of movies coming out at the same time. I think I asked Lena Dunham this when she was on my show. I'm like, do you pick up the phone? And you're like, I'm back. Butchas line up my shit. And she was like, no, it kind of just like happens. Like, you're working on a bunch of shit comes out all the same time. So that's how I feel about this past

week. Like, it's not going to be like this five ever. Like it's kind of, hopefully that was like the week. But generally I am like in this different mind state of like change it the fuck up, girl, girly pop. Anyway, yeah, it was a week of Wednesday, my live show, which was fucking incredible. thank you. Anyone and everyone who came, I was, I had so much fun. I literally felt like Nikki Glazer for a hot second. I loved seeing you guys. I loved like, I loved being with you. Like that's my favorite part. I think people think that like podcasters, influencers and people in that space have like huge egos because everyone's like, because they wanted me to like do a tour. And I was like, let me see if I like doing like this show. That's why I called it one night only. And everyone thinks we have such a big fucking head and like all we need as people, like, you know, loving on us to make us want to do something. So people are like, you're going to go. They're all there for you. They're going to love you.

It's great for you. And, like, you're going to want to do this forever. And, like, I loved it. I loved that, like, I put together a good show that made people laugh and have fun. But, like, it's not like I was like, oh, my God. Like, born for the stage, yes. But, like, I don't know for that stage. You know, like, yes, I like doing it.

I'll, I'll probably do it again. I don't know if I'm the girly who's going to, like, fly from Minneapolis to Utah in the same weekend. Like, that's just not me. So, like, yes, new Amanda, but not everything. Anyway, on to the next. Today's guest, I'm so excited because I'm obsessed with nobody wants this. I feel like everybody is. It's not like a niche thing.

I'm obsessed with nobody wants this like everybody else. Show created by Aaron Foster, who I freaking adore. The cast is amazing. Love a fucking hot rabbi. Love the moment. Love that it's back for season two. So I'm so excited for you guys to hear my interview today with Jackie Tone. She plays Esther on Nobody Wants This.

I'm obsessed with that show. Aaron is a fucking genius. And I admire her and her work. And everyone in this cast is so amazing. Kristen Bell, Adam Brody. But Esther really brings it this season. And Jackie Tone is just the coolest. She's so excited to be here.

She's so humble. She's so down to earth. And she's really just soaking in this moment in the cutest. most, like, aware and self-deprecating way. Just a fun Jewish girl from Long Island. It's such a fun one. So I hope you enjoy it. Jackie Tone, everybody, not Tahn.

If you thought it was Tahn, you are wrong. Jackie Tone. Bye, enjoy. You guys, Jackie Tone is here. I'm so happy you're here. I'm so happy to be here. This is the truth. Before I started my podcast, I was obsessed with armchair expert.

And you're one of, like, the first guest that I heard. on there. And I loved your episode so much back then. Thank you. And so fun to like rediscover you yet again and again and again. Oh, that's really nice. Thank you. Is the pressure on for us because we're both Jewish and cute? And everyone's like you're going to love each other because you're both Jewish and funny and cute. It maybe was before I walked in the door. And now it's off. But it's off now because I'm like, God, you're Jewish and cute. Also, you know what I was thinking while you were asking that question instead of listening? No. I was like, what a mouth shape you have. What is it? What's happening? Oh, like my lips?

No, but just the whole shape, the way the teeth hit, I mean, it's like... I don't know about the teeth hitting. I'm insecure about the teeth hitting lately. I don't know. You know when you watch yourself too much. Yes, but you know... And I'm like, I just told her today, I was like, look how like when I talk it goes to the left. Like, did I have a stroke? And then the one tooth is like poking out. I'm seeing, I'm seeing something crazy. You got to stop.

I'm guessing. Well, the shape of your mouth and the shape of your teeth is like... I love that you're saying the shape of your mouth. French kiss. It's incredible. I love it. I want to validate how you're feeling, but I also want you to know that you're wrong. Thank you, my love.

So how do I combo? I say this to my boyfriend all the time. I'm like, I want to validate you, but how do I do that while also being like, no? What does he get insecure about? Oh, all of it. I mean, me, I'm insecure constantly and all of us. But it's like whatever, it's not even necessarily, I was going to say physical. Yeah.

It's not even, it's just any random thing. Right. I'll think of something while we're chatting. It is true. We're all insecure about everything. It is true. Sometimes, right, because you don't want them to just say, stop, you're beautiful. You want, like, the full, go through the emotions with me and get it.

Yeah, because I do get what you're saying, because I have things like that, because you're gross, and I see your weird mouth. No, I do understand what you're saying because I have so many things myself that I feel that way about. Yeah. But it's like, I just, why do we do that when someone's like, oh, that's good? And you're like, it's not. I do it too.

Why do we do that, my love? because look where we live. I know. Like we see that even the Chris Jenner facelift. It's like, you know, all the fucking rage, everyone's dying, fainting, fawning. True. Then now there's a new wave of like,

well, she doesn't look like that in this picture. And like she faced you in that thing. Oh, the new wave is wild. The new wave, there's like a, the old wave was last week. We were excited. We wanted the surgeon's number. This week, like, comparing things. By the way, interviewed her.

She looks gorgeous. I mean, incredible. And it's to die for it, don't even try to take it away. So, I mean, that's why, right? True. But I'm confident and it's fine. Of course, same. So I can hate on my little tooth, you know what I mean?

100%. I'm fine with it. Great. What if I didn't have those things? It'd be annoying. Anyway, so you're not, the pressure is off because we're both cute and we're both Jewish. So you grew up. I'm listening.

Where did you grow up? I grew up in Oceanside, Long Island. Did you say? Where's you grew up? Well, I grew up like in De Bronx, technically. in Riverdale. Do you know it? But I know the Bronx, of course. So it is officially

New York City. Okay, relax. Okay, no one said it wasn't. I'm just saying, no one said it wasn't. I'm just saying, as opposed to you. Okay, I'm just saying like leading with it, is it officially New York City? Well, this is why I'm asking.

The Bronx feels his bridge and tunnel as Long Island. It's one of the boroughs. It is a borough. Okay. And I remember, like, meeting so many people from Long Island, and it was always, and I'm not even making this up to be funny. It was literally like, oh, where are you? from, oh, like 15 minutes outside the city? Where? Oh, it's like right out to that.

You know what I mean? Like, they would never like say it. I guess being from Long Island, I don't have that experience because we're all like, oh my God, Oceanside. Plainview, that's crazy. Siasit, Malvern. Like, it's, we can't wait to tell each other what trash people we are from what part of Long Island we're from. Oh, that's funny. It took the Long Island Rivero, too. It's like, we can't wait. And what about when you would like come to the city, like parties or would you, you would say you're from Oh, my island. Oh, always. I'm, like, painfully, like, I don't care. I'm just honest. Like, I would think it's funny that people were like, oh, bridge and tunnel. And I'd be like, high five. I could give a solid shit that you think it's cheesy that I'm from. I don't

care. But it's, you know, there are a lot of Amy Schumer's one. Yeah, Rockville Center. A town away. A town away. One of my best friends, Mel, that I went to school with was best friends with Amy Schumer when there was like little pictures of them when they were like five-year-old little mice. You guys, Long Island. We keep it. Yeah, we keep it tight. It breeds some of the best people. We keep it tight.

And growing up in Long Island, when did you figure out that you're like this multi-fucking talented singer, actress, everything, musician? I'm like, well, that's really nice to say. You know, I never didn't know that I was all those things. Right away. I came out of my mom and I was like, hello, my, my, but that's not even untrue. I didn't necessarily know that I was a multi, like, good at them, but those were the things I loved to do since I was little, little.

I played, my dad played piano, and I would sing with him by the piano. My mom is like, my mom could have been like a Joan Rivers, but both my parents were phys ed teachers. She could have been Joan Rivers and like a personality. Really? And she's not funny like, oh, quirky Jewish mother. She said something funny and we're laughing at her. Like, she's writing jokes.

She's so quick. She's so funny. Did you try to get her cast done? Nobody wants this? No, she's not, she'll tell you this. So I'm not really speaking too much out of school here, but you don't want her acting. Like the second she says something funny and I try and point the camera at her, she's immediately like, well, when I went to the store to get, you're like, who's this now? The other person was so funny.

Yeah, you need to get her like, she can't know there was a camera. No. Okay. And when she doesn't, we had a bit because she had like very old turnips in the fridge. They were like growing things. And she was like, it's still good. You cut off the, you cut off the green pot that's growing. And the second I start filming, she's like, I know.

It's so true about moms. And why is the stereotype so true that everything is expired in their house? No, it doesn't even, and expired is not a thing. It doesn't mean anything to her, no. And I'm like, Mom, the meds won't work. I'm not saying you'll die. I'm saying like they won't work. You know what I mean?

Well, Calamine lotion will still do for the bug bites. You have calamine lotion. That company went out of business in 1989. Toss that. You're so good at the accent. Toss that. Did you have the accent? Oh, yeah.

And what? Did you work on it or did it go away naturally? I don't remember. You know, it's funny, I went to an acting coach named Michael Blenderman when I was a little kid. And he had the thickest Long Island accent on planet Earth. But he was who was teaching me not to have a Long Island accent. I'm just remembering. He was like, so instead of saying walk, you're going to want to say walk.

And I was like, okay, Michael, copy that. And then I was like in these little videos trying to not have a New York accent. Wait, at what age were you like doing this? Oh, little 10, 11? No. 10, 11. So was mom, majeure or were you pushing this? You were pushing it.

Ma'am, this was. You were crazy. Yeah, my parents, I'm telling you, my parents were like inner city phys ed teachers. Yeah. And then my mom quit her job to take me on auditions. because I was like, where's my top hat? Where's my cane? How does this tuxedo jacket not have tails?

Wow. Sick. Because you know a lot of actors say this, but you see them and they're not you, right? They're like more subdued and they're like, you wouldn't believe what I was like when I was little because maybe they were different. But with you, I can picture it.

You know what I mean? It's just like, for better or for worse, the consistency is at 100 out of 10. It's just like I've never wanted to do I think I talked about this with Dax on armchair just that like at a certain point it was like a little bit psychotic that I was continuing to try to be in this business

because as unsuccessful as I had been but then I just was like this is what I'm doing. If I'm doing it broke, I'm doing it broke. If I'm doing it, I'm doing it do. I can't do anything else. Did you want the fame? Or you want it to be like a working woman?

So since, my 20s, I've 100% been like, I just want to be working. I love doing this. I love acting. I love laughing. I love telling jokes. I love different line deliveries. I love interpretation of scripts and sides and things you could do with them and how if you put this script in a hundred actors hands, you're having a hundred different movies. You put a hundred people in a room. That's right. I was just talking about that. It was if you got a hundred people in the room and something like, you all, you need one person to champion you. That was a different line, but it Lady Gaga, right?

Yeah. Yeah, when they made us believe that they're in love and we fell for it. Didn't Pam Anderson and Liam Neeson just do that to us? They fucking did it. They're always doing it to us

and all they were falling for it. I was just going to say that. I fall for it every time. Every damn. I go, look at them. They're in love. This time it's real. Pam and Liam.

Isn't that it's cute though that we have some naivete left in this world? We're like, oh, love is real. A love is real. A love is real. He never got over Natasha. Stop.

You know what I mean? Like, it's she. beautiful and then they were like, no, no. No. No. No. She's always on the farm and has no mascara. Love us. I love it. I love it too. Me too. I live for the comeback. Me too. Legit. Yes. Okay. So in your 20s, you were all about just working. Oh, I mean, since my, so I started acting when I was nine. And what's really funny is how many DMs I get from like old friends from middle school or high school. And they're like, dude, I remember you always said you wanted to be famous. And this is so cool. And all, everyone in my yearbook was like, you're going to be

famous and all those things. Did you have like a. No, we didn't have. Okay. So I could feel worse of them. So, so I could win nothing and be like, huh? Okay. So, but I must have been saying all the time as a kid. That you're going to be famous. I'm going to be famous. I'm going to be famous. Wow. But I don't really remember that, but everyone is reminding you of it. Everyone else does. Does that embarrass you or no? It would if someone was like, remember, When you were 32 and we went to that coffee shop and you were like, I'm going to be famous, then it would. Because you were little. Yeah. I was a kid, but I was like, always wanted to be the nanny. Remember when you were 32?

It's a coffee shop on 27th and you were like, I'll be famous. And then I haven't spoken to you since because that's sick. But then, okay, and then it got the work got important to you. Yeah. You were like, I'll be good with just doing the work. You know, a couple things happened. At a young age, it became about the work. I, also, as we all do in this business, like you become friends with very successful people. Oh, right. Your bestie's with Kristen Bell. She's a mouse, yeah. And I used to live with Jess Beal, Jessica Beal. Right. I saw that. How did that happen? It's a weird life. I was at the binoculars at the window and she finally, oh, no. But the, the, I have too many thoughts. I know. Okay. No. See, we thought there was going to be pressure and there's not because of your mouth shape. So, so stop, don't. It's

perfect. So I'll tell you how I met Jess in a second, but the rewind is that I had so many mega successful friends that I was like, oh, this is, I'm afraid to say things like this, but it's not fun. Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say it's inspiring. Well, the work, exactly. Right. The work is inspiring. Having a job, having health insurance, getting to go to set and do this thing you love and interpret these scripts. That part is amazing. But you realize very quickly that like if you can't eat lunch without people staring at you and fake filming you

and it's like it's not the end of the world but that's not the good part right that's not the good part and so I think I realized very young I mean fake not like you know what I mean

like they're fake faking a selfie but they're pointing it you're like we all everyone knows is it Cole or Dylan Spouse who has that Instagram I know but I don't know about that Instagram Oh tell me no I only know about it

No I think it's funny but I also think it's like kind of like condescending to the people. Oh, I see. I don't disagree. Yeah. I don't disagree. But I also think it's a little condescending, but it's also maybe putting them in his shoes. Right, that's what most people think.

Because he's like, well, you're a secret filming me. Right. I'm not condescending to you by doing exactly the thing you're doing to me. I know. I would, hey, would I do it? No. It depends to me, like, if the secret filming is like, I'm so excited to see this person, or if

it's like, what is he doing? Like, I'm, you know, You know what I mean? Like it's worth the secret filming if it's coming from a good place or not. Hard to say. I know. But that's my kind of like, you know, take on that. A hundred percent. So you're seeing, so wait, so having the mega successful friends turned you on or you

were like, wait, success comes with this scary stuff. It was really only the answer to when I stopped wanting to be famous and only wanted to just like be a working after comic singer. person who could like pay the bills and like have a life as an artist. And yeah, sure, get the validation of my peers thinking I, you know, have talent. Yeah. But it stopped being the like wanting to be everybody to know your name or a household name because that comes with a lot of Michigan. You saw the downsides of that. Yes. You saw the downside. Yes. I mean, look at fucking like Justin Bieber or like Britney Spears. This is what I'm saying. Yeah, we're giving like extreme examples. But then you're like, whoa, is fame, like the fame, fame, really what we want?

No, like, I don't think, I'm, I'd have to imagine, like, there's not a lot of people, how do I say this? I feel like there's not a lot of, like, mega talents whose goal is fame. Right. We, I hope not. That's like a new thing. That's like an influencer thing, I feel like. I think the goal is, but even with influencers, it's like, the goal is, is maybe a little bit of fame, but isn't it like, to make a living doing these fun things.

I mean, everyone's just like, how can I... There are some people where it's fame, I think. Yeah. Like a stand alone. Sure. But hopefully. Yeah.

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out acting with have quit acting because you're a grown up and you need to earn a living and, you know, support your kids and have a life, right? So I think then some of them that I met in my, in my, like Jess, I met in my teenage years. Kristen, I met my very early 20s. And, you know, Kristen wasn't a, was not. a very famous person. We met doing like... Tips?

We met doing black box theater. So she wasn't... We were nobody. Nobody was anybody. I don't like that term. I was nobody. You were right. But like we,

she was, we had a mutual director. This guy, Andy Fickman was directing her in a little like black box theater show called Snow and directing me and one called

which camera should I look at this one? Jutopia. And you already knew. Yeah. And... Wait, so two separate plays? just same director and that's how you met.

Because we were like of the same age and we just met and we went on a date to the flea market and we were like, oh my God, we are in love. And then we've been friends that was since 2003. Oh, wow. So you really watched her entire career. Yeah. But with Jess, I met her at the TV Guide Awards when I was there with my friend

who was the son on the nanny. Wait, weren't you on the nanny? Yeah, that's how I knew him. Wait, so what was your role? I was just in a couple episodes And I played two different characters. I played a young Fran Drescher. Oh, my God.

I know. That's genius. Insane. I played a young... So first I played her second cousin, Tiffany, twice removed. And then I played a different character a few years later. Because they were like, who gives you shit? Nobody, it doesn't matter.

I played like a girl who was in detention. And she comes in and I'm like, dressed like her. I have the bouffant, a miniskirt. Dead. Dead. Did you like the show? Did you know it? Okay.

Obsessed. I've seen every episode. Oh, my God. It's my absolute. I mean, like, the end-all be-all goal is like half-hour multi-cam come down the stairs. Does Fran Dresher remember? Yeah. She does.

I mean, she's like the president of Sag or something is important. She was, yes. Yeah. She's amazing. And I've run into her many times and she's a cutie. Is she from Long Island? I don't think so. I think she might be from Brooklyn.

She's different from New York. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. She was working at about a tub. Maybe flushing? I don't know. So you did the nanny when you were how old? Was my first TV job. So 12 and then again at like 15. So you were in Long Island at the time. Doing auditions. What? You got an agent. Like you got the whole thing. Aggie Gold or Fresh Face's agency in Baldwin, Long Island.

Okay. Worked out of her backhouse. But they got you into auditions. Auditions. And your mom saw this was your dream. That's right. And did everything. I mean, it's crazy when I think about it.

Now that I'm groaned, it's like, oh, funny, whoa. Like, what you had to do for me to get on that. Seriously, and, like, had an appointment book and the Long Island Railroad and getting me out of school. And, like, also, I have two brothers who she was raising. And my dad was at work in Brooklyn. I mean, it's like, it was a lot. And I was just like, we have an audition.

Let's go. Like, I didn't know. I was 12. Right. And your brothers are older. My brothers are older. Okay. Do they, were they like, mom?

I don't think so. If it was sisters, maybe, but brothers, I feel like. And also they were like deep teenagers at that point. So it's not like they need to be babysat. Like one was 12, one was 15. They were fine coming home from school and just being like at the house. Right. You know.

So your mom, at what point are you like, we need to move to L.A. for this dream? No point. I, well, not we. Because my, that's what I meant by no point. Okay. So then when I went to the University of Delaware. Yes. Natch.

Blue hens. My sister went. I got hit with a football on the face when I went to the game. Did you at? I really did. Like, I have a skill

to have things happen to me. Wait a minute. Like, were you okay? Did you break your nose? No, I was okay. It hit me in the lip. Lots of, yeah. Now I get it.

I will not be going to this size school. And I didn't. Oh, interesting. That makes sense. It was very overwhelming. The argument could be made that you'd be more likely to get hit in the face

with a football at a smaller school. Like, less people. It is true. odds that it would hit you and all those people. But I just knew that I didn't want the football and I don't want the frats and it was like too much for me. I also wanted none of that. Yeah. But I went to the campus and everyone was giving me the like when you know you'll know spiel and I liked it fine. And I was like, all right. I guess I know. And I went. And then I went. Like it wasn't. Like when you know you know about the college tour like. Right. Where they're just like, wow. This campus is really my heart. It was beautiful. And the weather is like nice there. And it was east coast. Sure. Yeah. But it was like I definitely didn't have a. I just had a good vibe. Maybe, like, the person who took us on the tour was cool, and I was like, this could be cool.

I also, since I was a kid actor, I just wanted to go to, like, I don't want to go to NYU. I wanted to go to, like, a normal school that was away. Wait, why did you, why did you want to not, like, study acting? Well, I had been doing it for so long.

And I was never a person, and I think it's fabulous when people get their degree and whatever they feel passionate about. That was never my thing. I never was like, oh, I now need to, like, my parents or a loan or $200,000 for someone to get, I have the agent, I have the thing, I have, it just didn't make sense for me to, yeah, I went to college for elementary education. So you could do that. You know how many kids I saved by getting hired as an actor? You know how many kids?

You saw yourself as like my backup is a second grade teacher. My backup is ruining your kid. Could you imagine? Sit down. would you shut the fuck up? I'm no patient. But you did think because he went to school for it. I did you finish?

I did you finish. I did you finish. I love psychology. I feel like therapy, even though I'm a live wire lunatic, I love to listen, I love to give advice. I love all of that. Yeah. So therapy feels like, I feel like most therapists are probably nuts.

It's what got them into it. Right. So I major in elementary education, but I promptly dropped out. Promptly. Promptly. Because why you got a gig? A couple things. I missed orientations.

orientation because I booked a job as Meadow's best friend on the Sopranos. Love. Meadow was my I was Delulu like you. Not as... No, but it is Delulu. So Delulu. And then if it happens, great, but it's delulu to think you can. And I went to

this acting school in New York called Actteen, and the reason I picked it was because... A-C-T-I-N-A-C-T-I-N. No, A-C-B-T-E-E-N. Act-E-N. It sounds like an acne medication. And I saw Meadow. She was at Actine? Yeah.

And I've told her since. I've told Jamie Lynn Cigler. Was she acting at Actine or was she already Meadow? No. She was both. Like she studied there so they put her picture. And I told her about it recently. I was like, just so you know, that's why I went because I was like,

Me. Me. Yeah. Actine also sounds like a French woman with a cough and a little bit of blood comes up. Actine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I was a delulu like you, so I get it. But I mean, it's fun because you say it again. Jamie Lynn's the greatest. Jamie Lynn's the greatest. So I played her best friend, Heather. Yes, in an episode. And I missed my college orientation. I had to, my parents drove me up and I had to drive. I had to take the train back to New York when I booked the part. Then my mom

was like driving me to Silver Cup in Queens to shoot the show. and I had just turned 18 and all the other girls on the soccer team were under 18. And so they kept me, they could keep me crazy hours. So there was a time. And no one knew what the sopranos was. And because I was saying people were like, the surprise, you're an alto. I'm like, okay. And it was like truly.

And then I was like doing like sort of background work in a scene with Edie Falco because they were allowed to keep me there extra hours because I was the ripe old age of 18. So how long did you last at Udell? Right. So then the first semester, that's the answer to the question, the first semester. But what I was going to say is... Okay. That's something. You got the experience is what I mean. Honestly, I joined an acapella group. I had like very good friends. It was like I'd been there for eight years. That was how I left, people were like hysterical. I'd known these people for four months. And I was like, I'll never forget you. Nobody... Phil. Phil was one of my friends from the singing group. Anyways, there was a big, what was called, I guess at the time, a mini master. because it wasn't a full trimester. Uh-huh.

There was a break, like, December to February. Yeah. And Aggie Gold, my agent was like, go to L.A., see what happens on the break. What happens is you meet Jesse Beale at the TV Guide Awards and you drop out of college. So you got, you went to the TV Guide Awards because you were on the nanny

and he became friends with the kid. Mm-hmm. The son. Sheffield's son? Of course, Maxwell. I mean, I mean, writing. Wait, so you became IRL friends. IRL.

We were friends for years and years. You went as, what, his date? Yeah, but like, we were just friends, yeah. Okay, so you went with literally Mr. Sheffield's son. Right, right. So the CV got awards. Right. Me, Jessica Beal, was she on 7th Heaven?

Yep. And you, like, clicked? Immediately. And she was like, stay with me? Yes, truly. Really? I was like, I'm going back to school. I have nowhere to live.

And she was like, you could stay at my house. Her voice is deeper than mine. You could stay at my house with me and my parents and her brother, Justin. And I was like, huh? And then. Oh, she has a brother, Justin? Yeah. Wasn't tracking.

tracking. Oh, he's fabulous. And I moved in with the Beal family in Calabasas. Can you die? I know. Wow. And then I was like, mom, dad, ship me the RAV4. No. And did they ever? It looked like a roller skater. I had it for 15 years. Would die for the Ravskate one. The new one is very cute, but she looks like other cars. Yeah. That old one was a sight. I had the, I couldn't get the Ravre for, so I did the Mitsubishi Outlander. Okay. I was like, or CRV, people were very happy about it. Yeah, yeah. The Rob 4 was the shit. This is a car pod, right? By the way, who do you get that you look like? The ones that I get are so stupid because the people are gorgeous. So saying them makes me also feel like, you guys know that I look exactly like a young Courtney Cox. Like, it's shocking.

You do, you do. I get that all the time. And you know, this morning I got Rachel Brosnahan. Okay. I also get. I get Lizzie Kaplan. I used to. to get the Olson twins all the time. I was saying somebody else. Mm. A little bit. Resemblance of Alanis. Oh, I'll take it.

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I also am obsessed with her. Oh, my God. And you never got this before? Never. Stop. What about now? I got one man. Just kidding.

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Success, my love. You are. What do you mean? Okay, thank you. Not to take credit for all its success. No, no, no, 100% you should. I'm a doppelganger of Corny Kahn. When Aaron and Sarah were on my show, I watched the screener's last, before the premiere

last season. And I was like, it's so good. And Aaron was like, really? And I was like, yes, because she's so modest and cute. I was like, what do you mean, Erin? This is going to be award winning. And she goes, Amanda, stop. And I go, it's going to compete with the bear because the bear is somehow a comment.

Which you need to explain to me off camera one time because I don't get the comedy or the thing. You think with a gun to my head I could? I can't. I love the bear. I know, but I never get the comedy and whatever. It's not. Right. So, and I literally go to Aaron in the episode like, it's going to come me with the bear.

It's going to be nominated. And she was like, and then it was nominated. And of course I'm like, told you so, told you so. But dude, crazy. Crazy the success. I know that Aaron is obviously talented, humble, all the things. But she was not bullshitting you. That she didn't believe that it would be this huge.

We didn't believe. We didn't know. Yeah. It wasn't like they called cut at the end of season one, and we were like, see everyone else's losers and we're winners. Like, we had no, no idea. Even when I watched all episodes of season one, I was like, I love this, but you can't ever be confident as a creator or as an actor. Like, what if you were like, my pod's going to be huge? Everyone would be like, Pat, Pat, sweet girl. Good luck to you.

And also, you've been through probably like. How many things I've done that we all, that we thought were. were going to be huge with the biggest names and this and that that, like, didn't come out at all, were, came out, but then whatever, you just don't. You don't know. It's dangerous. You couldn't know it would be this. What do you think was, like, really the recipe, like the sauce that made this what it is?

I honestly was trying to figure that out this morning because a girl was telling me what a huge fan she is and how huge Erin and Sarah's fan base is. And I was like, yeah, obsessed with them. But that's not. They don't have enough to explain this. And as huge as Kristen and Adam are. They don't. It's like everything, everybody together.

It's everything together. But I think the biggest, the biggest truth that I think is that profound, the biggest truth that I think. And then I just fall asleep. No, that's me. But I think it's because you're watching flawed people be real people. It's not like a meat cute. We're like, oh my gosh, you spilled your wine on me and now we're in love.

It's like, wait. the honeymoon phase is ending. What does that look like? These two have been together 15 years and especially with season two as we expand on all these characters and these arcs. It's just like, it's just real shit

that people go through. And I also think something we talked about a lot with season one is like these characters aren't 22. Love, I was just going to say that. But it's like, these are truly, like I love younger, you know what I mean? Like those young people in love, how sweet.

But also like... Love older people in love. Yeah, I love like, Some, like, little geriatric kissing is cute for us. I know. Older people. I love so. But it's true. I know. Well, we died for the kissing. By the way, I watch some of season two. Oh, baby. Yes, you guys, I can tell you. I mean, it's out by the time this comes out, but the kissing continues to be good. There's some tongue, like, there's stuff happening. No, we're, it's being brought. It's rated R. Like, and it's just so good. But I saw Adam say, because the hype was so hyped, and you guys got so much love. And you didn't know.

but now you know and going into season two with like everyone's expectations. Yeah, I mean, the expectations are, are bonkers. But I'm also like, I got to grow out of the like, I'm just happy to be here energy. But like, I don't feel the, I feel the expectations. Like, yeah, sure, we want season two to be a smash like season one was. Yeah.

But also, like, it doesn't feel like pressure. It just feels like, oh, I hope everybody loves this. Like, we're not sitting there, looking at any, each other's eyes doing our scene being like, oh, man, I sure hope someone likes this. Well, Adam said he would describe it as self-conscious a little bit more. Oh, of his performance? Of, like, he was talking about his hands specifically. Because he said, everybody loved the hands.

Everybody love the hands. And the kisses. I personally love the hands and the kisses. Love the hands and the kisses. And, like, everyone died over it and awkwardly asked him and Layton about it on the carpets. Oh, that's great. I know.

You kissed your wife like that? It's like, yeah, why don't you put a camera? camera in my room, Peter. Yeah, but they did. You know that they did. They did us. And by the way, she was on this season. Oh, is she cute.

Your boyfriend was on this season. This is crazy. Okay, what's happening? What is this family affair? That's it. It's the only way we do it over there. Also, Justine's boyfriend. Not really.

I swear to God. No, he's not. And he's an artist. He's an artist. No, yeah. There's a scene where somebody, there's an artist there. Yeah. You can't spoil.

Oh, I can spoil because it's on after. It's on. Okay. So she, her, Dr. Andy has like a gorgeous, like pencil drawing of her done. And her real life husband Tyson's an incredible artist. So they were like, Tyson, you just come and do it. Love. And then Layton, incredible.

What are you not going to get Layton in on the mix? Going to get Layton. Angel baby from heaven. Yes. Also, it's like, yeah, okay, be that hot and good, but also funny. I know. I know. Improvising.

It was like. She was really good. Oh, good. Yeah. And are you, did you become friends? Delicious personality. And really cool, right? So cool.

Like doesn't care about the like fame and the whatever. Don't make me fall asleep. She's truly like, I guess it's, what are you going to do? Make up bad lies. She's delightful. She rules. She rules, huh? And then my boyfriend Joe.

Yeah. This is really fun. Is on nobody wants this having almost nothing to do with me. Because he's Layton's husband? He plays Layton's husband on the show. Love. Were you like your welcome? Well, that's, I would be like you're welcome

if I thought of it or had anything to do with it. Wait. Basically, Jenny Connor has a producing partner named Nora. And Nora knows Joe for a long time. Joe's gone in and auditioned for them multiple times. He's done table reads for them because he's a really good actor. So Dr. Andy, Justine's boyfriend in season two, couldn't be there for the table read.

And Nora was like, oh, Joe will make it funny because you want to be, you want to have someone who will make the scripts work. Yeah. He can't just have, like, a PA. So he did it as, like, as a favor? He did as a favor. And he came in, he read, like, Adam's dad who couldn't be there, the Ilan role.

He did Dr. Andy. And there was also a couple lines of this character, Gabe, that was Leighton's boyfriend. Yeah. I mean, Layton's husband. Yeah. But by that, so then when we were leaving the table read, they were like, you were really so great. Do you want to come and play Gabe for us?

And they just offered it to him. And then the role kept getting cuter because he's funny and good. And that's how it happens. But you got, you didn't get to, like, film with him, really. I was, I didn't work with him at all. At all. I just stopped by the day he was working and was such a Jewish mother. I was like, Stan with Layton.

Stan with Layton, I might take a picture. Isn't it funny? It's my actual boyfriend playing Adam's wife's husband. Isn't that funny? And everyone was like, I'm cut. Jackie, we're rolling. You leave. Calm down.

But I love that. And how did it come about for you? Was it like you got this in your inbox, auditioned? This is a good one too. So similarly, I just got an audition. And it was for the Rebecca character. I always want to say Rachel. Yeah.

And it was like, the breakdown was like, perfect Jewish girl, da-da-da. And I was like, well, is there a cranky one anywhere? Is there an audition for someone who's made me more mad? And then I told Kristen, like we were on a hike or something and she had nothing to do. You know, we're all living our lives. And I was like, oh my God, I'm trying out for, it was called Shix at the time. I'm like, trying out for that show. And she was like, no, there is a part that is so much more right for you.

And I was like, oh, great. And wait, she was like, but wait, because it's only a couple episodes and I don't think the breakdown came out yet. And I was like, I wasn't in place. Like she was attached to it already at that point. She was attached. I wasn't really in a place in my career, like, call my agent and be like, go ahead. And there's a different role that I prefer.

It's like, no, you just try out for it. Maybe. You could have had that hutspa. I had the chutzpah, but like, glow was four years ago. Oh, I'll give it to you at the C.H. I even, I went light. You went hard. I'll hock a look on the table.

So I actually something, like, there will be sort of, it will emit. Yeah, like, I guess I was. I shouldn't say that. Yeah. But, like, most of the time, you don't know about the other character. Right. And if someone is seeing you for this, you're like, great, see me for this. Like, I always love when people are like, so what drew you to this part?

And I was like, health insurance? Yeah. I love that answer. Working as an actor, it's like, when I get to like, you know, Jennifer Lawrence level,

it's like, yeah, sure, people are vetting the scripts first and then they're not coming to me until someone else thinks they're great. But like,

at that point, I'm trying out for anything I can try out for. And it just so happened that nobody wants this came along. And I was like, oh, so my dream opportunity exists.

So wait, so how did you get to Esther? I, with the gusto of Kristen in my sales, I emailed my agent and was like, At Kristen's, she says I should wait for another role called Esther.

Oh. And they were like, great, we'll wait for Esther. Wow. And then I auditioned for Esther. And Erin told this funny story to junk it the other day that I didn't know, which killed me. What? Which was like, it was very sweet. She was not defending me, but she was like, it's just really funny because, you know, everybody, Aaron, Kristen, the producers, Steve Levittan, everybody knows actors that they want to have on the show.

It's not like one person has a suggestion, and then that person gets the part, obviously, especially if you're not at this wildly high level, right? And she told this story that Kristen just, like, mentioned it. She wanted to put pressure on anybody. She took herself out of the race. She was like, you guys know who I think, obviously. Right. But, like, there's 50 other people who have to decide Netflix, 20-ish, Erin, everyone.

And once Aaron found out that, like, Kristen's best friend sent a tape, she was like, fuck. Like, no. Like, I have to tell Kristen that. like her best friend is bad. Like, I'm going to have to be like... I could see her in saying that. Good. Yes, we did see it.

And she was like already preparing for the performance. She was going to have to give to Kristen about her weird, bad acting best friend who wasn't right for the part. And then she was like, and then we saw Jackie and we were like, well, that's a relief. So that made me feel like.

I know. And it's so true to retell that. No. And especially because you don't give yourself enough credit, I feel like. Oh, no. You don't, huh? No.

You really don't. No. But like, I, It's just, I, I think it's a, it's a lifetime. And I'm not saying this to be sad because I had so many cool wins along the way. Yeah. But it's just a lifetime of not getting the part. Yeah.

And you're just like, I'm not going to get the part. It's not that heavy. It's not great. Yeah. But it's not like, I'm not sitting at home and fetal weeping, but it's like, the reality is that it's not. It's fucking tough out there. It's not you, 99% of the time. And so when it's you, it feels fucking good.

It's better. It feels good. Yeah, but when you're being self-deprecating, it's like all coming from a real place of like, oh, so I wasn't too much this time. You know what I mean? It's real. Too much, huh?

Baby. It could have been called. Oh, there is a show too much. Of course. But it is true. They would have told me down at Actine. I know it. They would have said, hey, you're making too many faces.

We need you to relax. Oh, it's too much. You have defended Esther a lot. Because she got some, like, weird. Yeah, I have defended Esther. Like weird, not, you know. And then you said something so true. that was like, whoa, wait, this isn't like a Jewish thing or like a bad, bad, it's like

she didn't like. She's a foil. Like she's a good friend. Like you made it about her being. Whoever didn't like it made it about her being Jewish. And it always makes me laugh because like this idea that like this Jewish woman is such a nightmare. Oh, and this Morgan character is a dream. Like talk to Justine about it.

Morgan is a nut. Right. She's absolutely making insane. same decisions. So true. She's like always giving her sister shit. She has so many opinions. She's an absolute wild card. So like this idea that like this, this them and us situation, it's like that's, it's so silly. It's a TV show. Right. There needs to be a conflict. And if the sister-in-law just loves the new girlfriend, you literally don't have a TV show. Right. So it's like, I don't, I didn't really, she does lighten up. She lightens up in season two. She realizes at the end of

season one in the Bamitzvah cutting dress. Bamidstva dress cutting? Yeah. Fahy? That she realizes at the end that she is like, everybody else is having fun. Right. Why do I have a stick up my ass?

Yeah. And I think that happens. And you also technically got like a series regular season two? That's like a technical thing, right? It's technical, but it's wonderful. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. It's a really big deal.

And I do feel it. I've only watched it. I've only watched four episodes. Yes, you guys, it's as good as the first season. You're going to fucking love it, and you're so incredible in it. And I love you and Timmy together. Oh, I love him so much. You guys are so good, and he's so tall.

He's actually very tall. Is that fun for you? Yeah, it's cute. It's a little bit of a crick in the neck, and I have, like, a little bit of a pinch. But other than that, I think it's great. And you get to, like, hang out with Kristen even more this season. It's just the best. I mean, we're in L.A.

We're making this TV show. People are liking it. Yeah. At a certain point, like, speaking of myself, deprecating. It's like, when's the other shoe going to draw? It's like, I'm looking over my shoulder. It's like very, it feels like the gift for the other, you know, 30-something sleepy years of my career. Stop saying that.

But it's, but I mean that as like, I lost my health insurance. Yeah. So many times. And, you know, I- She ain't a Nepo baby, okay? No, mama. She worked really hard to be here. I'd be if I would be a phys ed teacher if I was a Nepo baby. How proud is your mom?

Oh, the Covell is real. Yeah. Ooh, the Covell is real. I could barely even go to the clubhouse. It was a mob scene. That's what she said. Or she'll say like she goes to Curves. Yeah.

The Curves. Wait, what's Curves? It's like a workout place? The Curves in Boynton was buzzing. You guys, my mom goes to Silver Sneakers. Is that not so cute? What's cute? Are Curves or Silver sneakers?

What do you think? Silver sneakers is the cutest thing I've ever heard. Okay, now that we... Silver seekers? No. We'll have to move on? Like, isn't that so cute? Oh my God.

Does she wear cute little silver gray goose is? She's not. Okay. My mom either. Another type. She wouldn't know what that is. She has a slide sketcher and she's like... Spock on for.

No, sketchers are the shit for them. Off and on easy. So this is what I want us to do right now. Since you're like a manifesting queen, I want us to manifest your next thing. So I could do it, told you so a moment like I did it there and Tara. Oh, my gosh. I live.

What are we manifesting next? We are manifesting. Maggala. Oh. No. No, are you kidding? Yes. Okay, fine.

But what we're manifesting is a musical movie, right? Like, Ala Wicked? Ala Wicked. I wrote a script for a musical romantic comedy that I want to make. I just feel like I'd love to sing in something. I love musicals. I think there's a space for it. And I want to make, that's what I'm manifesting for myself.

And then there's future stuff too But that's after nobody wants this But the movie could happen at the same time It could happen at the same time Where my other dreams of being the nanny Can't tell that nobody wants this is done And what are you loving right now Like are you obsessed with anything on TV?

I mean always RuPaul's Drag Race Just has me in an absolute chokehold I watch it in every language I watch it in every country baby Every country I keep the subtitles on Obsessed with Philippines Right now I'm watching UK I'm obsessed with RuPaul's Drag Race

I'm a huge Love Island. You're a love island. Like you finish the 72 episodes? Babe. UK, U.S., Australia. How? How do people watch House? It's the same.

It's not the same, babe. It's an episode a day. But only for a small period of time. I know, I know. It stresses me out. No, I know. And then I know people who like, my friend Elizabeth watched, I think she watches all the housewives.

Wait, are you keeping up with the couples of Long, Love Island? You get over it. I drop off. I drop off. You're like, I don't care. Oh, they broke up. And now there's like a reality show that shows, like, what their lives are after the island?

Don't. Don't. Deeply don't. Interesting. In fact, I'm like, no, thank you. In fact, I'm like that. Right. Interesting. But I watch RuPaul's Drag-Ris.

I'll watch the after show. I follow all the queens on Instagram. I mean, it's like... Wait, could you go as like a judge? It's my... You want to talk about manifesting? Now I'm looking at the camera. Judge on Rupal's Drag Race.

Love. And I love you. And we had so much more. I love you. So you're going to have to come back. I can't wait. Okay. Wait.

We're done. I know. I blacked out. Did we have fun? I think so. I do too. Okay. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat.

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