Not Skinny But Not Fat - JAKE JOHNSON DOES HOLLYWOOD HIS OWN WAY

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

If I was a Hollywood actor, I would be Jake Johnson. The laid-back Chicago man has managed to garner major success with his work as Nick Miller on New Girl, Peter B. Parker in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, and now his directorial debut & starring role in Self-Reliance on Hulu - all without compromising who he is. Jake is just as funny as Nick Miller and I lol'd through this interview for an hour. spoiler alert: you will too!!!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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This is so exciting for me. It's exciting for me. No, it's exciting for me. You guys, if you haven't recognized the voice yet, the voice of our generation. It's Jake Johnson. Jake Johnson's. here. This is so cool for me. I have recently, just for fun, binging New Girl again, like,

as we speak. What year, what part of the show are you on? I'm on season two, I think, now. I think season two was our strongest. Really? In what way? Like, I think season one was great. We just kind of really launched it. There was a lot cooking. And then season two, I felt like all the characters, myself, Lamourne, everybody kind of knew what we were finally doing. And I felt like it was just firing on all cylinders. I don't know why because there is so much to watch And I have so much to watch But I was like I need to have that like feel a good show

Of like in between You know In between when you watch like the shows that you have to You know really watch And I love it I just love New Girl so much My sisters are so jealous They're not here today

The girl that works with me is so jealous She's not here today So just so you know You're a very popular man All right boy in your circle I appreciate it I mean, listen, and self-reliance, we'll talk about it all, but it's a big, it's a big year for you. How are you? How was the premiere? You, it's fine. We did, I decided to do a party rather than a premiere.

Hulu was generous enough to say they started putting a premiere together and I feel like I'm a, I've done this game a lot and I feel like it's repetitive and you do the same stuff. And let's be honest, some of it gets a little boring. And I thought, we all are going to watch this on Hulu when it comes out. So why get together? in some downtown theater where we're all wearing suits, hear me thank only the people who worked on it, the rest of the people are there, then watch the movie,

then do the slow walk from there, or everybody gets in a goofy town car, go to the premiere, wait in another line for the red carpet, to party for 45 minutes and go home. I said, how about put all the money into a big party at the bar, La Cita,

where the movie takes place? That bar where we all go to, and I go like, let's just have a night and they had an open bar for four hours. hours. The whole cast came out. Zoe came out, which was really cool. My buddy Bert Kreischer came out. I did his pod that day. And it was just a blast. It was like a really fun hang to see a bunch of people on all the screens they were showing the movie. And everybody had gotten a link. So they said

they hadn't watched it yet. I'm like, who cares? You'll watch it when you watch it. Watch it in five years. Just watch it at some point. I'm obsessed because I feel like people, you know, we see premieres as like lovers of pub culture, a lot of these people that listen in this podcast are. And it does. It looks so glam. It looks so, you know, you see the celebs. They're getting interviewed. You see the stuff. Like, as I've been invited to these things, right? And like when you get the breakdown, you really don't want to go because it's the, you wait on line. I'm sure like, you know, it depends on the hierarchy. But there is a line. Where I'm at in that hierarchy is my ass is waiting in lines. A lot of lines. You wait on lines.

like get on this carpet and then like all the things and I mean hair and makeup the whole thing women the men too what do you mean for women for men too right the whole thing and it's a lot of effort and listen if you're really desperate for a Getty pick you might go so I'm obsessed that you did that and that's I would go but I think I wish I would have invited you had we done this first it was a genuinely fun night you did you did invite me why didn't you come getting? Because I live in New York, you forgetful. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We were DM. You're sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. But there's been a lot. There's been a lot cooking. I know. I know. There's been a lot cooking. There's been a lot cooking. Yeah. But here's what I will say about

those, those red carpets and all that madness. What I realized, as I've been in this game for a bit, is some people pretend not to like it and they do really like it. And for that, it's awesome. And I don't even have judgment. I'm not even thinking like, I'm not sitting at my table at the cafeteria being like your table's lame. Whatever, it's great. But there are way more guys that I did not expect who will act like, dude, I'm just an actor. And then I'll see a photo shoot with him. And I'm like, are you in man panties and like an oiled up shirt? And they love it.

And I'm like, well, good. No one's forcing you to do it. And when you first start, you get opportunities. I did a photo shoot once where I thought it was just press. And then they had like nine different pair of tight pants for me. And I'm like, I think you've got this wrong. I'm not into fashion. I'm trying to do one thing and it's not all things.

And so red carpets, I'm like, this has nothing to do with me. Those big premiere nights, they have nothing to do with me. And as I get older, I'm trying to find ways to avoid all this stuff that sucks the energy from it rather than, you know, just doing everything because that's what you're supposed to. I'm like, they're no supposed to. Nobody cares. So we won't see you in like the front row of men's spring 24 Louisville. Vaton fashion show. Yeah, with shower shoes on, pants I've wear to everything in the same button down going

like, hmm. Wait, so it makes sense now that you, you're 45, you know who you are, you know what you want and you have the power that you can make this happen, which is amazing. It seems though like you were always like this. So how did you navigate that when you were younger and having the success? How were you convinced to like do all the things? A lot of people have been disappointed in me at every phase of my career. You want a gross image?

Imagine I am 45, it feels right. I was also this at 10. And if that doesn't make you feel a little barfie, you're not listening. I was the same guy on like a little league baseball field being like, the practices are insane. It doesn't make sense. We all know how to play our position. None of us are going to be pros. Everybody chill out.

What are we talking about? drills. Here's the drill. Throw the pitch. And if I don't field it, I got in there. We're going to move on. And then as you get older, you go like 45 makes sense. 60 is going to make a lot of sense. Oh, you see it. You see it. I just feel like, because at 60, right now I'm allowed to pass on a lot. And people go like, make sense. He's 45. At 60, you go, I'm sure he's in back pain. Why didn't he stand up to greet us when we came and you just go like this? Really dear friends, you haven't seen in 10 years. You just go, hey, how you know? You're not even going to to get up. I feel like you have more Nick in you than the other characters have their characters, like from New Girl in them. I don't agree with that. I don't know. Really?

Who has more? I've, all morning I'm texting with Lamourne. Yeah, Al-Lamorne has more. His ass is Winston. When I text with Max, I'm not, I'm not texting with Max, a very serious guy, it'll go, he'll text. I did a photo shoot. something, I think it was Hollywood Reporter, and I forgot it was that day. And they came to my backyard because I built a little cabin in my backyard. And one of the reasons I built is I get

to do the press there, right? So if I have a meeting rather than sit at like the Soho house, I'm like, pass, come to my weird backyard at Soho House and I'll give you coffee. Wait, is it this where you're sitting now? No, this is the old master closet that I turned into a little podcast office. Oh, okay. And it's cool. And it has different lighting. So you're kind of like Kim Kardashian. That's, thank you. You're about the hundredth person that said that on this press tour. Because everyone goes to them, you know, in Calabasas.

They don't go to the press. The press comes to them. Yeah. So I've been described as a Kardashian since I got into this goddamn game back in 2012. I walked in my first big audition, they go like this. Chloe, Kim, or the young one? And I went like, Jake. And they went like, oh, my God, Jake Kardashian.

And I go, no. I mean, there is a connection. So, okay, the Hollywood Reporter Max story. So I did a photo shoot and, you know, I'm just wearing the same goofy button down in pants. I'm always wearing like this. And I wasn't wearing shoes. It was not a lot of thought between the photographer and myself.

We just kind of did it. I didn't look right. The photographer did a wonderful job. Everyone was great. I should have had shoes up. But it was my choice. She said, like, you want to grab some shoes? And I'm like, no, I think I'm good.

First thing. They didn't bring like a stylist or something, though? No, so there's been a woman, Annie, who I've worked with before. But it's sometimes they cover it. Sometimes they don't. If they don't cover it, I'm not covering a stylist to put clothes on me. I've got a drawer full of shirts. And let's be honest, I have pant.

singular. Yeah. And you have pants. And I know. And the pant, I got two pair of pant that worked for press and I never wear them out. Are they chinos? Are they like slacks?

They're like slacks. They're blue slacks. Yeah. So a question. The no shoes decision. Yeah. Did you have a thought, was it only for comfort or were you like, this will look kind of like earthy?

I'm a very big comfort hound. and I'm not I mean I'll tell you right now let's cut let's cut the shit let's see oh yes girl yes we're both living in a world of comfort and so when it started I thought I could throw shoes on but I'm like what it is that's fine it's cool no shoes is cool too what am I going to throw a pair of clerks on it's the same clerks I wear all the time I just did a Kimmel and even Michael Angarano a friend wrote and he goes after I did the appearance I get a text and I thought like oh I guess I did good and Angerano writes you've had those same clarks for 15 years man get new boots but Clarks they're like comfortable clerks are comfortable they're dressed comfortable

those are just like my slacks and my button downs they work but before I even knew the press was out I get a text from Max Greenfield with me him and Damon on it and it's photos of the thing in my feet. And he's like, you look terrible. Why aren't you wearing shoes? And it's just all Schmidt. He's like, what a bad is. You could not look worse. You do not look as cool as you think you do. You don't look like a mountain man. You look like a homeless guy in front of a shed. Take off that plan. Sure, Jake. It's not fitting you the way you expand. I was like, what am I, in episode 17? Stop. And I was like. Do you guys feel it between yourselves? You're saying too, like your characters. Well, it's the bits we all

do it together. So in our real life, we're all very different. But when we step into this arena of like the bits and the games and the fun. We just did too many episodes and know how to make each other laugh too much. So I don't think Schmitt is like Schmitt is like Schmidt around his kids. But when he's texting me. I mean, he made pretty funny things with his daughter during quarantine that were a little Schmitty. Well, she might be the star of that damn family. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She's a star for sure. She was a star. Even as a young age, she used to come to my trailer and rip on me when she was like five. And I'd be like, ease up young lady. You're right. It doesn't smell great in here. You're five. I can't come back.

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people. In our minds, it's like to make it in Hollywood, you have to be this way. You have to really want it. You have to die for it. You have to sleep in your car. Then when you make it, you have to like look this way, do all the things. And you give such like the nonchalant, like you said, but that's not true. But that's not true in terms of my work. So I did have the sleep in your car, I did have the, I believe I will outwork anybody. So in terms of writing, I went to NYU for dramatic writing. I was never the best writer, but I've written so many scripts. And they're all in a folder called Jake's writing on my desktop, and they are embarrassing. And if we went premise by premise, it would be the hardest you've ever left.

You'll go like, these are some real duds. One thing, but like even in terms of the work ethic, sometimes I'll tell you a quick story, and it's a true story, that I believe in hard work, leave, even if you don't have a product, just start grinding because you don't know what it's going to happen. So my sister went to the Czech Republic and got these beautiful masks. I was living in New York at the time. I must have been 21 writing all the time trying to do comedy. Not working.

It wasn't happening. But these masks were gorgeous. It was like this beautiful old creepy clown. So one day I was sitting in my apartment. I was up in East Harlem and I was looking at my bank account. And I was really near zero. And I thought, you know what? I got an idea.

I'm going to take this mask, throw a sports jacket on, grab an umbrella, go down to the subway, and just start busking for cash, just put on a goddamn impromptu clown show. This is a true story. Now, I hadn't given a thought above that. And all I thought was, worst case scenario, I make $100, right?

People just throw quarters in as they go by. so I get down to Times Square and get on a little corner underground I know it I know it well you went to you went to the right place I went to the right place you know there's like some like folk singer who's cool

there's like somebody like banging on garbage drums over there I'm giving the waves to him like I'm in the community there's like nine eight year old dancers I'm like what's up guys let's get it let's get it you know some opera some Broadway singer I'm like this beautiful voice Carol like where's my zone I find a little corner. I'm making eye contact with the other performers, like, watch out the new kid has arrived

down the scene. I'm about to cut in, right? You guys got a pizza? There's a new slice for this chobo. It's mine. And I'm eating the crust. Can you place me in the year? 2002, 2001. I put the mask on, open the umbrella. Never once in my life have I taken a Lime class. Yeah. You know, you see mimes, they all have umbrellas.

They have some bras. I don't know. They do? I hadn't done my home. Okay. Okay. So mask umbrella sports jacket. And I start doing the killer.

And I'm not kidding. Second 15. Yeah. Two older women in their 50s. Tough. Carrying a bunch of bags with them. Use these computer trains. to get to and from jobs they don't want to go to.

One of them took offense to what I was doing and yelled, you're scaring me! And I went, me? And she goes, you're scaring everybody. And I went like, oh, no. She didn't stop. She got louder and louder, stood in front of me, got very confrontational.

A small group formed around her yelling at me, what are you doing? You're scaring us in the mess. take the mask off, I thought, this is the beginning of an audience. What am I going to do? I lift up the mask, then I won't make any money. I'm thinking after this, everyone's going to throw. You commit. Yeah, they're going to throw their dollar bills in. This is a bad 15 minutes, but it'll be worth 20 bucks. This fucking woman follows me. I finally leave. She gets on the train, harasses me on the train. And at a certain point, I just go like, fine, it's over. I made no money. I went home through the mask on the ground. So in terms of the train, she gets on the train. So in terms of

of my career, there's thousands of those, but it was always trying, try, try, work, work, work, work, work. But it was never fashion, photo shoots, red carpets. I was like, no, it was trying to do this one thing. That part of it never. It never interested me. I first was catering when I moved to L.A. and I did an event for some big agency and all the big stars were there. And I was one of the caterers serving them stuff. And so my first glimpse of that world was seeing like Vince Vaughn and Robin Williams and Jamie Fox as I was like giving them like tuna tartar and being like they all are like their vibe in movies. Oh, okay.

I was like, they're holding court and I'm like watching the movie. And I was like, that's wild, man. And then I thought like, all right, then just do that. Be the thing you're trying to sell. That's amazing. I love that you could be who you were and just do your work and succeed that way. because you were, I mean, you got into NYU because of a play you wrote in high school?

I first went to the University of Iowa. I went to Iowa. It said it had a great writing program, so I went there. The partying was a bit intense, and it got on top of old Jake, Jay. It's very hard. It's like a frat school? It is. I wasn't in a frat, but I lived in a house with like five friends,

like five guys and a woman, and we just partied all the time. So I'm like, I got to get out of here, or I'm going to be 350 pounds. With a pack of merits in my pocket going like... Oh, merits. I bought those. I bought them because I was so influenced. This just goes to show you guys. We really get influenced by like TV and movies.

I bought them because that's what Carrie Bradshaw smoked in sex in the city. I went out and bought... I was smoking something else. How old were you when you first started smoking? But I'm in New York. Don't forget. So... What is that in?

Oh, you're right. Right. I take back my question. So five, six. Twelve, I think. Oh, my God. I think I tried my first. But you know what? I'm not promoting this, but I will say, trying things young sometimes is better. Bad advice. Bad advice. First of all, no, we need, this is where you need studios and PR people to go like, don't. So here's what I'm going to say about things like assets.

I'm like, do it at seven, because then you'll be like, that shit's insane. No. So when did you decide to start doing this and when did you pop? Wait, Jake, what do you think this is? I got a two-way street. I got a bike in front of me, too. You think it's a two-way street? You're confused.

You are confused. I've been confused since 1978 when I came out of my mother's body and I'm going to be confused until they put me back in the earth. But I love it. You know what I was thinking, though, as you were saying, like, the parts of this industry that you love and don't love, podcasting is so for you then. Yes, it's really fun. You must be thrilled about this medium, you know? Well, that's why I'm not only yours, you have your own podcast, but also, I feel like going

on them, you could be a home, you could be shoeless. You're not wrong. No clerks, no slacks. You're not wrong. This is for you. So, you know, well, that's why I was. kind of go into you on it because when you talk about the pressures and when I start when I got into the business, none of this work. There was no streaming, you know, to date myself and like,

it was the big networks and cable and movies there were only X amount. So there were only a few spots you could like fit into and you tried to fit into those very bad. And as the game has changed, it's exploded. So, you know, press for this movie self-reliance. This was the first time I'm like, I'm way more interested in doing podcasts than I'm doing in the, old traditional you know tours this was the first trip i didn't go to do like the new york section or fly out to other cities to do like local affiliates because i'm like i don't think i have to i think you can just chat to people in long form well let's just also say yeah you did right because it's at number one self-reliance on hulu number one at hulu

which is really exciting. Pretty exciting. Pretty exciting. And the Rotten Tomato scores, I know I'm such a loser, but I do look at that. Like for me, as a watcher, above like 82, it's too much for me. Do you know what I mean? Like it becomes like, you've played the game too well. You've kissed a little bit too much.

I'm like, oh, you know, Oppenheimer, it's like 95. Probably not. Yeah. Probably not. I'm like above of 47. I'm like, this is my type of movie. but really

but your movies 73 which I think it's a nice zone it's a perfect I think it's a nice zone it's like movie critics like it they don't hate it yeah yeah yeah

but like it's not too much for people that aren't movie critics the hope for me in this movie because I've done a bunch to these entities with Joseph Farnberg and Trent O'Donnell we did you know win it all drinking buddies ride the eagle

by the way drinking buddies Can I give a shout out right here, you guys? If you haven't seen Drinking Buddies, one of my favorite movies, it's indie, you would say? Like, it's an indie movie. I wouldn't even just say that. It's indie, yeah. We made it for like $700,000 in like 16 days in Chicago. I need a glossary.

I think people think that we know what everything means. Like, we don't necessarily know what that means. So here's what I mean by indie, independently financed so that you don't have a major studio behind you. and you're not playing. So even this movie, my movie self-reliance, we filmed in 17 days. So yes,

we've got Anna Kendrick in it and Andy Samberg and Chris Lloyd, look at me name-dropping. But to me, it's an indie movie. We had $5 million in 17 days and we didn't have a big machine behind us.

When you go to the bigger movies you've seen in the cinemas, a lot of these movies are over hundreds of millions of dollars in budget. Wait, when you say $5 million, is that including actors' salaries? Everything.

Whoa. $5 million to turn in a finished product in post with deliverables. So you are done. There's not a penny more. So not only to get everybody there, but to make it, to edit it, to do screenings to like have a test audience,

would you have to pay for? Every penny needs to be done at $5 million. A lot of the movies people compare it to that they go see. $5 million doesn't even cover craft services. So was your craft service? service is bad. Wasn't great. I will say that.

You know, when I've done big movies, one of the nice things is the food is no joke, where you're like, you're a local chef, my friend. Of course I'll take more of the stir-fried noodles, was my king. And I don't care if I fit into these denim bottoms. This is why I'm here for this weird soup thing. But that's what I mean by Indy, where you're, you don't have those luxuries, and you're fighting and scrapping to make. the thing work, and there's something really fun about that.

A lot of those movies are really going after film audiences, and they're really going after critical acclaim, because if you can get nominated or win an award, the belief is that will bring a lot of eyes to the movie. If you're at the Independent Spirit Awards, well, that used to mean your indie is now getting attention. But I kind of feel more, now people are trusting each other more, and they're trusting in podcasts and they're trusting social media that you just have to reach people and if people like it, they'll tell everybody. And if the goal is to get people to watch it, then the best way

to go about is just to get it in front of people and try to get them to like it. Yeah, especially with social media and stuff. It's wild. It's gotten way different. So, congrats on that on reaching number one on Hulu. Thank you. You guys, self-reliance. You should watch if you haven't seen it. It's also a super fun watch. It's not a three, hour, Leonardo DiCaprio movie. It's an hour and a half, which is such a nice evening. You know what I recommend for it? If you're somebody who likes weed, take a little bit before. If you're a wine drinker, have a glass or two. This is not a movie. You need to have a cup of coffee and go like, everybody, it's time for me to like get to homework. You know, on certain movies that you're like,

this one's an important way. And like, yeah. And I need to act smarter than I am because I don't want to not get it. The idea of this movie is that it's meant to keep pushing and pushing. It's a really manic pace. I'm trying to get people not to check their phones for literally 90 minutes, but it is meant for fun. It is.

I have to say, I laughed out loud at so many parts, even at parts where I felt like it wasn't moments to make you laugh. When I'm trying to be like hot and cool, you're like, that's hilarious. What a Uber. A lot of moments. that just were funny, like, of you being you, Anna Kendrick.

How'd you get her on the movie? You know, I'd work with her on drinking, really quick. What do you got a thing of gumballs behind you? Those real gumballs? Uh-huh. And you have the discipline, not to just go through that thing in a day and a half? I actually don't. Yeah, but you know what?

My husband, true story, and this is men, you guys, and you're all the same because that's what you are. Broke his tooth the other day. We had to go emergency dentist because he ate six of them. on like his bad tooth. And I'm like, are you okay? So yeah, no, I don't. Good for you.

Those things would last in my house. I used to have a kid I grew up with whose mother used to put out skittles and M&Ms. I ate so many of them that she asked me to stop eating them once. And I was, you know, a nine-year-old kid where she said, like, you're always welcome at our house, Jake. And I was like, thanks. And she goes, you can't just go into the dining room and eat all of them.

And I literally was confused. I'm like, but why put them out? And then my mom had to say, like, in some families, they just put out candy as like decoration. And I'm like, what fucking galaxy are we? And that's where you go 45 as a nine-year-old. I go like, in what world? They're offering skittles for you not to eat them. Yeah, here's a delicious sandwich to a starving person.

What do we want you to do? Enjoy the smells. I'm eating the sandwich. Wait, did you have a good snack cabinet at home? No. Or you were deprived? Oh, you were deprived. You know, my mother was very inconsistent.

And so there'd be like a, we're now a health food family and shouldn't have like a bunch of almonds. And then two days later, every we'd go to McDonald's and eat like kings and queens. But isn't it funny? My mom now with my son judges me every day. How are you giving him that with my son? Yeah. I'm a mom. I know it's shocking because I look so young and I was going to say, gross, who's 17 year old has a baby and a long-term husband, illegal.

Illegal. Child. You're not kidding, though, just to let everybody know he's. He's not getting. He did think. I did think I was 17. 100%. You're not kidding. But she shames me all the time about the food that I give him. And I'm actually buying like the new good stuff. You know, the organic stuff, whatever. And I'm like, what do you think you gave me? Because I do not recall salmon and broccoli. Because I still don't like those things. So that wasn't happening. You called me Cookie Monster. And to go like on ladders to get the. So like, what are you remembering? Why are we not on the same? page you have twin girls yes they're 10 right yeah so are they like swifties yes but really olivia rodrigo's the big one we're going to her concert in august we bought early wait olivia rodrigo that's her she's for 10 year olds or are your girls like they we i don't know

we do a lot of music in the car i'm a big believer in bump in that music when we're driving to things and let's have a little bit of damn fun yeah so So we've experimented. They don't like mom music. When I'll throw something on like Greg Brown, a wonderful singer-songwriter, my daughter yesterday driving her home from a tutor, went like, this is the worst thing I've ever heard, Dad. And I was like, it is a beautiful commentary about life and America.

And so as we've been dancing around, we came across Olivia Rodriguez's first album. And it was something that they liked and I liked. So we went like, okay. Okay. That's cool. So you have tickets to go. Yeah, we're going to go see here. So, but yes, to Taylor Swift, but Olivia Rodriguez is the...

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people were into it at the beginning. First season, they were like, oh, man, the sitcoms back. Season two was like, here we go. Like, we were going to award shows. Max and Zoe were getting nominated. The rest of us were into tuxedos. And we were like, I guess this is our life. I was like, it's not really, Max and I, like, presented at the critics' choice.

I was like, man, this is not for me, but I guess this is our life now. And then season three came around and it all disappeared. And the audiences fell off. The critics stopped liking it. The town stopped celebrating it. And we just had a show that we found a groove of how we'd like to shoot it. And we had fun. But we knew each year our numbers kept dipping and dipping and dip in.

So after season six, I think Liz Merriweather wrote to all of us and said, like, I think Fox is going to cancel us. And if I really like to finish what we started, I do think we have an audience that cares. If anybody's interested in, like, writing a letter to Dana Walden and Fox, she's cool. She might listen. So Zoe and I and Liz all had like a letter saying, like, can we at least finish it and wrap up the story? And Dana Walden said, like, yeah, that's, you know, I believe there's an audience too. they're just not watched a TV. And then it kind of went away, but it wasn't even,

it was, you know, it wasn't even sad. It was, you know, like when you watch an older person and finally pass away of natural causes, you don't go like at 98, like, were you sad they died? You're like, well, of course. But you're like, I don't see another 10 years for like Uncle Terry. Right. This feels like it's it.

And then when the pandemic hit, you were like, Uncle Terry was only 60. But he looked so bad. But you are right because people are watching it. I mean, I'm from, no, I'm, excuse me, I'm from when it was airing. I know, we thought I was 17. I hate to break it to you. But you're right.

Younger people, right, in their 20s are now watching it. I mean, it's all like TikTok and clips and like the whole thing. Yeah, but it's also, it's the podcast group. It's like people have seen it, talked about it and spread it. And now they're like, but also when we were on men, for example, when it was on Fox, needed to always let me know that they watched it with their girlfriends and they didn't love it.

And I don't know why, I'm not kidding, it's not even a bit. The amount of time men, especially in New York, whenever I was in New York for press, what in a taxi or a pizzeria would have to go like,

I'd be like, can I get a slice of cheese? And they'd be like, yeah, you get that guy? And I would go, I need a little bit more details. And they're like, my wife makes me watch the show with the girl living with all you guys. And I'd be like,

yeah, I'm here. And they would go, I don't like it. I'd go like, okay. They'd be like, not for me, man, but my life and my daughter loves it. And I'd go like, okay. And then when it came on Netflix, men of that generation liked it too. So I was like, oh, now we're, we didn't have that.

Yeah. So I'm like, okay, interesting. People change. Right, people change. Like the psychology of like admitting you like something that's like what. It's just different. They just like the show. I think it's funny.

It is so funny. And it still is. I love it so much. I wanted to ask you, I saw a story about the couch dent, which really does relate to you being a comfort guy. And I feel like it's important for my audience to hear this story in case they missed it. Okay. Oh. Okay.

Okay. Okay. By the way, the couch that Jeremy Allen White sat on, he won all the things for the bear. Oh, yes. Okay. He sits on the same couch in that, true. I haven't seen it yet. There's a butt crease for him.

Isn't he always moving around? He's been in a kitchen. He didn't even an intense chef. Wait, listen, this all relates to everything we're talking about. We're like, it's like, well, this is a really good lesson because he's doing the Calvin Klein. He just did a huge Calvin Klein ad. Handsome, talented man. The world is his.

Yeah. and he sat on a couch for one of the boxer shoots and they're auctioning that couch off because he sat on it or how much or a lot of money I don't know it would be a better story if I knew

what I'm saying is it depends on the auction and I'll tell you why if it's a $2,500 couch and they're auctioning it for $2,500 bucks you might just want the couch you might go hey this is a beautiful couch

I don't care if some naked guy sat on it I'll clean the fucking thing just like if you go like flea market picking now if they're trying to get a hundred thousand dollars you go like and get the same couch right and i could pay somebody to sit on it in their underpants your couch the nick miller bud dent couch so tell tell us well i'll tell you what didn't happen and it's nobody auction to buy it and i know that is a fact it's literally i believe it was thrown out weeks after for yeah it was not wait this is where jake jonesons fat ass sat so much that it created

a crease in the leather dude everybody wants to buy it it's a huge story not didn't happen didn't happen and shouldn't happen and shouldn't happen so that story

is when we started that show where an actor so the reason I told that story is they had asked what do you like about directing and what I like about directing is the reason I wanted to direct is that when you do TV a lot you get certain great directors and

and certain directors who aren't perfect. And the problem with TV is that you have your cast, you have your writers, and you have your crew, and you all know each other really well. And there's about a hundred of you. And you guys all become in the same bit world. You work together 12 hours a day,

five days a week. So you start doing jokes with the same people that when you walk into work, a camera operator or the sound person or the wardrobe, they're all doing the same thing. We all know what this thing is. And then you've got a director who comes in. And if they have a different tone or vibe on set, we all have to listen.

So it's almost like you have a big extended family. And then one of your parents gets remarried. And whoever that person is is now the most dominant figure of your family. Wait, but can I ask why directors were changing every week? Is that how it is? That's how TV is. Every week there's a new director. Why?

Why don't they keep like one person? So in the new world of like cool streaming shows, they're starting to do it more like movie directors. You know, Mike White directs all of White Lotus. Right, right. So it makes sense why it's all so good. It's like you're on a Mike White set. Television, every week a new person comes in. So Monday morning when you get to set, you have to be like, hi.

And they're like, hi, I'm Jerry. I'm your new dad. First of all, eat your carrots. And you go like, easy, Jerry. We just met. No, that sounds really awful. Oh, fat boy doesn't eat carrots in the morning. It's awful.

Now, if you got the right director, they come in and they fit right in and they add to it. That's a great step parent. And pretty soon you go like, you are my dad. Right? And you love them. So the butt story came because when we did that pilot, at first, directors will say, like, go where your character feels like going. And some actors take it very seriously and they're like, hold on. I got to feel my character.

I can't even think of cameras, right? My character would walk this way. And you go like, well, you're walking away from the lights, my king. So can you, can your character walk but can face that way? And my character, very similar to Jake, my characters are all interested in comfort. Right. So while we're creating the characters, why not add comma likes to be comfortable? Right?

Right. We're all inventing. It's all make believe. So we're in the living room and there's a couch and there's a section of the couch where you can put your legs up. We haven't shot anything. Why wouldn't Nick like to put his legs up? Why wouldn't Nick always be drinking a beer? Because I'll tell you what's in a beer on a TV set.

Fresh soda water because it's carbonated. Oh. Delicious. So they fill up beer bottles with soda? With soda water. So it's got the little bubbles in it. But, you know, to be a good actor, you should eat and drink in scenes a little bit, make it realistic. You got it, no problem, right?

So I sat down in a seat, we do the scene, it works. Well, I ended up sitting in that same seat so many times that by like season six, somebody pointed out, I think it was Hannah Simone, that she was sitting there in a scene, I wasn't there and was like, ew, gross. There's Jake's butt creases. And the reason that I bring up the director is sometimes we would start a scene and we would sit and I would sit in my little butt crease.

And a director would go like, no, no, no, Jake, I had an idea. You're going to be standing. Zoe, you're going to be in that corner. And my thought would be like, you can literally see where my butt crease should sit. That's going to be my seat. And so that was the crease couch story. That's so funny. So what did you take from like not liking the changing directors into you directing?

Yeah. Well, what I took from that was we started pushing to get the same people back. Like Aaron O'Malley was one of our producers who ended up directing a lot of episodes. Trent O'Donnell was a guest director, and by the end, he ended up directing like 50 episodes. So you start really fighting and get certain people back, and you try to get me producing directors. And the other thing that I truly don't like about a guest director is to be a director, most director, a lot of directors have really big egos, right? It's why they want to do it. It's like being a quarterback of a football team.

And so they think that their taste is make or break for the project. And I fundamentally believe that TV and movies are about collaboration. So, you know, for my movie, like the set design, like those, you know, when I go into that big room and the murals all throughout the walls and the look of that room, well, Grace Alley was a, we had had a different person we were going to hire for production design and I had to Zoom with her. And she was just so hungry and great and pitching and had all these images. And it was different than the image in my head. And I thought like, I think yours is better. So I'm not only going to hire you, but win. And if we're debating something, have reasons.

So if it's a debate, you win the debate. Because I really do want. Like you're not into just calling all the shots because you're direct. I want best idea wins. So if you come in and your ideas are soft, then I'll steamroll you. Because I am going to get it done. But what I love is when somebody comes in, takes over their department, and crushes it. And what I hate is when someone's crushing it. And a director goes, no, no, no, no, let's have them yellow. And my thought is like, no, the other one was better. Green was better.

And then somebody goes, why? Because they decided to paint a green. They go, yeah, I just got to trust God. And because they're the director, that wins. And I personally don't like that. So what was really nice was having more of the ability to let people come in. I also don't care if an actor is word perfect. I'm not Billy Shakespeare.

If you want to say something a little differently and it works better, right, Emily Hampshire, the sister in it wrote a bunch of jokes for her character. She came in with pages of alt jokes. And I was like, let's pick the three best and try them. They all made it into the movie. I know. Her character, I was like, I want to play that. character she was just like so funny she was just there just looking at you like you're a piece

of shit you know yeah exactly right just like what do you do it just like her facial expressions like towards you were i think that's what i enjoyed most about the movie is like you're in this everyone's looking at you you're like you're fucking crazy yes and you're you're you're just in it like well i wanted to make two movies a movie from my point of view and a movie from everybody else's his point of view. And my point of view was I'm 100% right. I'm in a thriller. And I don't care if you think I'm right or wrong. This is the movie I'm in. This is life and death and this is goddamn serious. And then I wanted everybody else to be in a movie about their brother or their friend is a bit of a goober and he's going through a weird

phase. Right. Yeah, that mix was really fun. I wanted to combine Jacob's Ladder and like bottle rocket. Oh, right. You said like sushi and pasta. I wanted to see how it felt. And it was, you know, look, was a grind. When you said earlier, you can do it again. I said, no, I was just texting with Lamorne about a movie, and I just said, like, I don't want to direct another movie because it feels like a marriage. When you do a movie, as a director, you have to marry it, and you have to commit to it. And I had told this story before, but we were at the premiere party, and there were executives saying, like, what's next? And it honestly feels as insane to me, as somebody saying to me about, like, my wife, who we've been together since 2004, we have two kids.

And then saying like, so your kids are not 10, you know, things are going well. Like, they got it all figured out. Who's the next wife? And I go, what do you mean? So by next Wednesday, you and your wife and that family are officially done, but view it as a success. We like the numbers, 73% and number one on Hulu. We've won. And a nice profit.

We sold it for a nice clip. So the next wife, are we thinking three kids? You have two girls. Do you want a boy? And I'm like, I'm still in this fucking thing. This isn't how it works. And if I'm going to break up, it's going to take years. And then I need to go through like really bad phases of like who you dating.

Like somebody everybody in my life hates. Why? She's a genuinely terrible person. Why are you with her? I don't know. She hits me. Like I got to do those phases where you're like, is that a scratch on your face, Jake? And I was like, no, it was an argument that I started.

I'm trying to read this. I'm trying to understand. So you don't see yourself directing again. You're still married to this. You don't see you letting go making something as good that you're as passionate about. But I saw you say that or what? No, you go. Okay.

Okay. I saw you say that you would do a pilot. Yeah, I do a pilot. Why a pilot? Because I would also do commercials. And I'll tell you what. So a commercial is like an unbelievable 80-hour flame where you're like, I went through an early breakup.

What's going on? I don't know. Like, she's amazing. What happened? It fell apart by Wednesday. But from Friday until like Tuesday, it was great. And I thought there was something to this, but then we both decided it wasn't it? That feels like a commercial.

You go really intense. You build this thing. You create a crew. You get a cast. You shoot it. You try your hardest. you cut it and it's over. A pilot is like a really nice rebound.

It's a legitimate relationship. You care about each other, but at the end you both go, look, we both have kids and we're not going to Brady bunch this fucking thing. So what are we doing here? Should we just stay in touch and stay friends and every once in a while? We might take some weekend trip to Mexico together. Sure. But it's not another marriage and it's not a restart.

And so that's kind of how I see it. I'd be looking for more a pilot with the right one, maybe be in it, maybe not, you know, something single cam, something that looks good, something that looks like a film, but it would be really funny and really fun. That could be really neat because then I could build the crew and we could shoot it, how I'd like to shoot it, and the vibe of set would be something I could really believe in and want to spend a lot of hours and hopefully a lot of seasons in. But the idea of doing another movie that you start, you build, you raise money, you cast, you film, you film, you. You'd edit, you go back to the festivals, and I'm like, here I am, my sophomore feature. The first one was at South by the Southwest, here we are in Toronto. Guys, first of all, I need to thank my finance tears. Thank you.

And then another press jockey, where they're like, self-reliance was a wild ride. This one's a romantic comedy. Tell me why. And I went like, well, I really thought, what was it? I can't do it. I don't have it in me. I don't have it in me. You know what when you said, you said, tell that story.

And I said, okay. Oh, yeah, you weren't happy about it. Well, no, it's because I'm rapidly becoming a character from showbiz pizza, one of those characters where, or Chuck Kee-Cheese, where you go like, all right, everybody's here. Oh, no. Turn on the characters and they go like this, like, oh, let me tell you about my movie. No, but that makes me feel bad that I made you feel that way. It's not you. It's the goddamn process.

This is what it is. These are the stories. I don't have unlimited stories. I got to be 11. That's not true. Tell the same story. Wait, did you ever tell the same story? Wait, did you ever tell the time?

Square story before? Never. But I will say this. You're right, but I will say this in terms of looks and photo shoots when you said when I first started. This is not something that I've talked about, but it is something other actors have teased me about. When I was doing the early New Girl things, photographers all want big energy for some reason.

So you're in a tuxedo, you're doing the dance. You're waiting in line. And then it's your moment on like the red carpet moment. And nowadays they'll go like, we're going to push in on you. Do you know what you're going to do? And a lot of actors are like, whatever, I'm like smoking a cigarette, I'm cool. And then it gets to them and they're like, so big energy, right?

And then they all look at it and in slow motion, they're like super dope, super dope. What I always say is I got three looks. I make the same three facial expressions in every photo I've ever taken. And I'll just tell the photographer, which one do you like? I don't think they would like the second one. I got to tell you, they don't like any of them. that's why they go thanks so much jake let's go to the next person that's why one person's

couch is being auctioned and the other one's in a dumpster i mean i feel like hashtag regret you didn't keep that couch for your backyard sow-o house yeah my cabin's way too small for that big couch oh okay the cabin is too small oh my god jake johnson you fucking kill me really an honor you were on the pod thank you well let me talk about let me talk about my pod oh before you kick me out of the space fine yes let me do plug in this show miss pizza gorilla and let me play my guitar for a second Jake Jake Jake tell us about your podcast we're here to help oh thank you so much for asking I appreciate it so we're having a lot of fun it is an advice call-in show and next time you're in Los Angeles maybe you'll join us I love to so next time you're in

maybe you'll come on we're having a lot of fun we have a lot of fun guests we've had the Do you do it in your shed? No, we're now in a studio. We started in the shed. No, I started in this room. And then enough people called us who are into this world more and said like, your audio's great and we're doing great audio numbers. They're like, your video is so bad, man.

And you sit so close to the camera on your computer and you're not adjusting. So go to a studio. So you did a setup. You see, I have like a profess setup now. We've got it. We've got a setup. And I will say. It is more fun than I expected it to be.

It's fun to go because it feels like a live show. You get the energy, having different guests coming in. We don't know what the calls are going to be until they come in, so they're live to us. And so there's the adrenaline rush of hearing it. Real advice or, like, funny real advice? Both. I mean, look, we give the best advice we can, but my partner, Gareth, is very similar to me and that neither of us are straight shooters.

But the whole premise of the show is we are on the team of the caller. So the idea of it is if you go to a bar with your friends and you go, I'm in a really bad situation, like we don't take anything serious, we don't want to hear about divorces or diseases, we're not your guys for that. But if you got something stupid, like, you know, a woman called another day and said, like, look, this is a real problem for me. My husband flosses his teeth in the living room and it's disgusting. And the reason he does it is he would, that's, and the reason he was, that's, and the

And we go, and we get back to her. We go, why? And he goes, he was raised that way by his family. So we're like, ah, so now we're pitching of how to get this woman out of this fucking nightmare. And that is a man flossing his teeth in the living room. That's the vibe. So it is never, you know, politically I'm feeling really divided. I'm not, don't pass.

Wait, do you listen to the- We screen them. We screen, no, the producer screens them all. No. Okay, okay. So they bring in the good stuff. Yes. So we do, we've got everything is screened.

By the time it gets to us, they're already slightly curated so that they're coming and gunning. And it's got to be fun. But here's what I'm going to ask your listeners if they listen. Or if they don't, start listening. Now we're talking. Look at you, you pro. Whenever people start, they go back to episode one and they start that way. Fundamentally wrong.

Start at the latest and then go the other direction. Because you get better as it goes. It's not in chronological order. Do you agree? Oh, my God. If you listen to my first podcast, my voice was probably 18 levels, octaves higher. Right. You know, yeah. And you learn what your show is. You learn how to do it. That's the beauty of a podcast. The development is in real time. There's no executives. There's no notes. It's just making it as you go, which I find really fun. But when people come to our show, they always start at the beginning. And my thing is, is reverse the way you listen to a podcast. How do you know where they started? How do you know? Because I study the analytics.

Oh, damn. Oh, right. Oh, yeah, I love it. You're like, you're like the work thing. I'm an animal with it. I love it. Oh, really? Oh, my God.

In every aspect. Every day with this movie, the whole read like studying it, figuring it out, talking to Hulu. I love it. I'm not with it with everything. What an interesting guy you are, Jake Johnson. No, really. I mean, the vibes and I love it. You didn't disappoint me at all.

No. Thanks. Same. I've really enjoyed chatting with you. Thank you. Me too. Everybody? I'm serious. You guys, so self-reliance on Hulu, we're here to help podcast. Listen to it. Not chronologically. And what's next? Is the podcast now your, your passion project, or is there other stuff coming up? They'll always be. Also, Sony wants me to bring up Spider-Vers is back in theaters this Friday? they're bringing it back they're bringing it back

I saw it in theaters with my son not not oh not oh hold the boy yeah no no not he like ran out

he's yeah he's three no he loves Spiderman but the long form the long form didn't work but I saw an article I felt like was so perfect for you where they were like

even his Peter Parker is in sweatpants like even the animated even an even an animated one. It's gross. Let's be honest.

It's been a gross career. This will be one where they look back at, and you'll look back at the guy from the bear and you'll be like, make sense. What a beautiful career. You look back at Bargo Robbie and you'll go, one of our biggest stars. We love her. You'll look back at Gosley and you'll say like, glad we had him when we had him. Then somebody would go, remember the fat guy from new girl who just greased around for 15

years? And everyone will go like, what a stain on the industry. It's like, you know, when you eat pizza in New York, And you put a plate on top of it and you go like, I can see through the plate. There was so much grease. I think that's the mark I'm leaving behind in Hollywood. Just an 18-year grease stain. Jake Johnson could talk to you forever.

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