Not Skinny But Not Fat - Julianne Hough: New Jules Who Dis?

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hi, everybody happy Tuesday and welcome to a new episode of not skinny but not fat. I'm no longer going to make fun of my name because somebody actually came up to me. I was doing a podcast last week and this guy that was a photographer that came with a guest was like, by the way, like I listened to your last episode. It was so good. And you mentioned like your name and I love your name. Like I love your name. I really. to it and it's like the best thing ever. And I was like, thank you. I don't know why I feel the need

to like really be demeaning me to me. But I also love like a self-humor moment, not take yourself too seriously moment and make fun of yourself. Like self-deprecating is my vibe. But it was nice. It was nice of him to say that and that made me be like, okay, we got the point. You've said your point. You can shut the fuck up now. Anyway, I hope everyone had a good week. For me, it's been literally crazy. you like this summer flew by was a little bit not summery like the weather in new york was like on and off also i didn't do anything crazy i didn't do a lot of travel i did some travel like before the summer but not during and then september starts and it's like back to school noah's in kindergarten work picks up it's like it's like a chicken with your with its head cut off i felt

like this week and boom the week is over it's a new week new beginning september it's not fall yet bitches. I know we're ready for it. It's not fall yet. I can't remember what date fall is, but it's like the 21st, I think. But it's not fall yet. So don't be getting your fucking pumpkin lattes yet. All right. Isn't it crazy that like there's that concept of like you're either a this girl or a that girl. And usually I'm like, but it's like you're either a pumpkin spice latte girl or you are not. Okay. And you could kind of tell what kind of person is and what kind of person is, isn't, I'm just saying, and I hope you know that I'm not. I hope you could tell that I'm not. Anyway, so I'm into September. I'm actually into, like, for Jewish people, they know this.

Like, Russia Shana is coming up. That's the Jewish New Year. I, I'm not very good at all the, all the, the meaning behind it and the exact how to, like, explain it to you. But there is something where, like, the sky opens and you can, like, ask for shit or, like, get a, into the book of life, not get into the book of life. It's like this period. And then the sky closes and it's like you're doomed to whatever God decided. Now people that are super Jewish are going to be like, I mean, what was that like that was not explained well? But put that aside. Just keep it in mind when I'm saying the next thing. I couldn't fall asleep last night until like 1230 because I was in like business mode

slash thinking mode, such planning mode. I just feel like yes, we're in my year of yes still. It's still 2025. But I feel like this new school year. slash Jewish New Year, I'm entering this like, okay, you've manifested, you've worked hard. Now it's time to amp it up to the next level and really put it all out there and stop trying to act like cool, like you're above certain shit. Just like get fucking into it and get into it deeply and with purpose. Anyway, on the other side of things, you guys, have you guys seen that the rock is skinny? Because my trainer said it to me today, which I don't know if you saw that I can fucking

do they are assisted but lifts pretty crazy pretty crazy that's what they mean when they say you can get stronger like i always cared about like getting thinner but you can get stronger and it feels damn good so the rock got skinny and it's super weird because we're used to seeing him like a massive and he is no longer and i heard that it's because he like it's for a role but i also think it's for like his continuous career of like he's not in w w he anymore he wants to do more than like the actiony stuff, you know, and be taken seriously as an actor. So he's a lean machine, you guys. We are all caught up on the summer.

I turned pretty. There was a lot of back and forth on the last episode. Was it filler? Was it not? It was important to the storyline. I saw this reel that was like, why did I watch stomach run around pairs for 25 minutes? The stomach literally took me out. I was cracking.

We also know that the white lotus, season four is going to be in Paris, which is so funny. I have so many mixed feelings. Like, I love the White Lotus. Then I'm like a hater when it comes to let's not fucking like, I feel like we blow it up so much. We put it on this pedestal.

Everyone's obsessed with it. I know who's on it. I feel like Hollywood. The competition that's going on behind the scenes of like getting these roles is probably fucking insane. People think it can like make or break their careers, which it probably can. And then like it's good.

But then people judge is it good enough? Like did we hype it up? too much. And it's like, just calm down in general and we'll be good. All right? So I'm excited for Paris. I'm excited to hear some like French and not in an Emily in Paris way. That does remind me that I met Kate Walsh when I went to the U.S. Open. I was in the Cadillac suite. I love going in the U.S. Open. I am being honest, I think I would like it even not in a suite, though the suite does make it better. And they also took me down to a court side. Now is fucking cool. I felt like I was there with Naomi Osaka. Like I got into it. But the thing is, once you're in the

sweet and you're drinking margaritas and you're schmoozing, you're not watching the game. So, yeah, problems, problems, you guys. But when I was walking outside of the sweets, I did see an Olson twin. And I was by myself for a moment. And I was like, and I looked like left him right, left and right. No one was near me. I was like, oh, my God. And then I was like, oh, my God.

I was so excited to see an Olson twin. I didn't clock which one it was. And I thought it was Ashley, but just today, it was confirmed on like just Jared, that it was Mary Kate. And I'm so mad at myself that I got the Olson twin wrong. But she was wearing a Pajmina scarf, which I feel like if she, the queen of the row, says that it's back, then it's fucking back. And I'm like excited slash like sad. I threw them all out. But I do love it as a winter staple. Anyway, let's move on to this week's guest. You guys, Dancing with the Stars is coming back September 16th in a new season with so many contestants that we know and love. We have Dylan Efron that was on the pod. By the way, I manifest. at him getting on dancing with the stars.

I'm telling you guys, I am witchy as fuck. Like things we need to talk about more. I'm witchy. Like I said to him, would you go on then dancing with the stars? He was like, I would be so scared. I'm like, I see you there.

And then he's like, oh, watch is going to happen. It's like the scariest thing for me. Boom, it happened. You're welcome, Dylan Efron. We have two Mormon wives, Jen Affleck and Whitney. We have a bunch of other people that I can't remember right now.

But most importantly, we have the host who used to be a pro, who used to be a judge. and is just, you all know her and love her. It's Julianne Huff. She's an actor. She's a singer. She's a dancer, businesswoman, and all around powerhouse.

You know her from so many things like footloose, like save Haven. Get with it, guys. And I've just been a fan slash follower of her for so many years, which you will hear me say in the episode 17 times, literally drink every time I tell her that because it's important to me for guests to know, like, that I'm in it with you. Like, I've watched your whole journey. I know about every step you've made. I'm like, what a stalker.

I am outside of your house. So it just is meaningful that she's on and it's like personal to me. So I make that known. And I just find her life story so fascinating. She grew up Mormon. She would like live in London for like 10 years. She came back. She's open about her marriage and divorce.

She's at a different stage in her life right now that she's also open about. And she's just cool, you guys. And it's a very good episode. Very interesting. Very eye opening. So enjoy Julian Huff. Hi, Amanda. Which I call you Jules.

You can call me Jules, Julianne, Jaber, Jucian, whatever. Jucian. Yeah, that's the one I like. Really? That's the one you like. Jucian comes out when I've had like a few cocktails. Oh, I love. Yeah.

Jucian. I need to see Jucian. You know, you think she would be more fun, but it's actually me just like dancing alone by myself. Like against like a fireplace or something and like you just know I'm in my own world. Dancing. Oh, that's so pure. That's your like craziness.

It's like she just dances. Oh, she does that anyway, like without the juice. Julian Huff is here, you guys. Host, actor, singer, dancer, businesswoman. What else? Am I missing anything? Dog mom. Dog mom.

Sonny's mom. Just Sunny. Just Sunny. Yeah, but I've had dogs. previously. Yeah. And you take that title seriously. Oh, that's probably my most important title. Really? Yeah. Most significant. How old is the dog? She's two. Okay. She's my love of my life. I'm like, talk to me when she's good. No, no, I'm just kidding. She's too. Two is a cute dog age. Cute dog age. She's sweet. I've been a fan of yours for years. Like I've been with the Bob, with the

pixie. I've like, know the haircuts. Like that's how I know what I've done in my life is based off of the era of hair, by the way. It's true. Because we were just like, is there hair getting shorter and shorter. But no, because you did have the pixie phase. I did. Eventually, like, I have this thing on my list of things I want to do. I want to, well, it started as one thing. Now it's expanded. Now it's expanded to I want to go to Bhutan and shave my head with a monk. So it was just shave my head. But there's an added layer. Now there's like two out of layers, Bhutan and a monk. Bouton and a monk. Is this like your feasible dream list or you're like maybe it won't happen? No, I literally called my hairstylist Rihanna, who's like my not bad girl, Rie Rie.

Oh, babe, I know I followed you for years. Is it with a W? Yeah, Rihanna. Because I know. By the handle, I like see it. Exactly. And I literally called her and I was like, I think we need to make a wig that is my exact haircut right now. Because I think this is my look. This is it. I think this is the look. I love it. And I was like, we need to like replicate this as a wig so that I can just do that and then know that I'm good for work, you know? You've thought this out.

It's weird. It's weird. I've been wanting to do this my whole life. Also, your, like, relationship with your hair and with the styles. Like, it's meaningful to you. It's my, like, outward expression of whatever I go through internally. And I'm like, I've been through a very big excavation process recently. And I'm like, take it off. What's the excavation? What's happening?

Excavation, just, you know, clearing out the things that, like, are we going to get deep immediately? I mean, sure. This is literally what I do. I love it. Yeah, like, the last, like, seven years have been just sort of, like, all the things I put into place of like, you know, the systems of protection of, like, who you think you should be, all of them have gone away. So I'm like, oh, the last thing, I should need to shave my head now. So this is happening sooner than we think. Potentially. Wait, so what did we excavate?

Well, it's been a seven-year process. So, you know, I'm making a joke of it, but marriage. Right. That you thought you would be like married and then that's like, okay. Yeah. Well, no, I was married. No, I know you were. I know you were, but you thought it would be this, like, fairy tale, like, or not even fairy tale, just like that was the thing that you do. And by the way, I was very much in love and that was wonderful. And then it was just, it was more, yeah, seasons of life that you go through. And as you grow, do you grow together or do you grow apart? And just certain things that this should I and this makes sense and the things that, you know, were taught. I think I lived into that. And then I decided not to live into that. What did we let go of?

Recently, my home of 11 years. I just. just moved. That was sort of like the last thing. It was like all the internal stuff, the relationships, and then it was like the material things. Did you feel like some woo-woo? Like I have to leave this house behind to start a new? No, not really. No. I think a lot of people would have thought that. Like, I'm done. I was just like, no, I just feel complete. Like, I've done everything that I can do in this house. And I'm like, I'm ready to figure out something else. Did you move in a new area? I'm renting for the next six months just to finish dancing with the stars, go through the holidays, and then I have some plans.

Like out of L.A. plans? Maybe. Maybe. We'll see. Maybe I'm moving to Bhutan. Who knows? You haven't decided yet? I haven't.

Really? Yeah. So it's like open. Yeah. There might be like a little like discovery exploration thing that I'm going to do and like go and like test some things out. I mean, might as well if I can. Might as well if you can.

You've also been, you spoke about your ex before that you were married. you've been more open than a lot of celebrities about this situation, I feel like, because a lot of times we hear people get divorced or breakup and there's never any comment. I feel like you have spoken about it in a way that, like, resonated with people. Probably because I don't know how to keep my mouth.

I don't remember what you said exactly, but it was like you were trying to figure out kind of like who you were within the marriage. Totally. I think we, again, that's kind of what I was saying. saying about growth. It's like there was so much love. There was so much safety. My ex-husband was one of the most secure, consistent people that I ever had in my life growing up. And so when I met him, it was like, whoa, this feels so amazing. And he was such a safe place to like activate my own

healing and growth. And so as that was happening, we just evolved into different people. And I don't think we had the maturity to kind of figure out how to come together at the time. But he's really happy and he's has a baby. Did you just have a day of fun? Like, did you have a lake day with him and his fiance? Yeah. And they're like baby to to be born in like two months. Was this a Yeah. I mean, I was already in Idaho. And like that's where my family grew up. So like that lake has always been my special place. Did he steal your special place? I mean, you know, I have no hard feelings. But yes. He literally stayed in the house that we bought together. No. Wait. He was introduced to kind of this area because of you.

Yeah, Cordillane. My dad grew up on that lake. Oh, wow. Yeah. So anyway. You're sharing. Your sharing is caring. Sharing is caring.

But it was actually my first time going back in quite a few years and like since we got divorced. And it was a really great like reclaiming of like, this is my home too. And this is actually where it all began for me. And life is good. And I'm happy for them. And I was also just like happy to be on the water and nostalgic with my great. grandparents, like, where they built this whole legacy of our family and...

And him. Yeah. And his new life. Yeah. That's so mature of you guys. It was mature. And then I had to, like, realize and step back after the fact and be like, who was I trying to prove that to?

Was I trying to prove to myself that I was mature and I was over it? Yeah. Or, like, did I really want to do it? And I was like, no, I actually really wanted to see them. And I am happy for him. Like, at the end of the day, like, his happiness and, you know, even my happiness, that's the most important thing. So however that looks, yeah.

That's so interesting. I'm not like one of those people, too, that it's like, positive, everything is great. You're not? I used to be for sure. But, like, actually, everything is great. Okay, great. Yeah. But you're not this pot.

Are you where you give off really positive vibes? 100%. And, like, that is my default for sure. But I, yeah, there's a lot of, you know, nuanced layers that I haven't really shown. And you want to show that more? Oh my God. I crave deep intimacy so bad. And like what I realized is I'm like, I've literally been a performer my whole life.

And I know how to perform even if I don't know I'm performing. Right. And yeah, and I'm not person that just wants everybody to be comfortable. So I can naturally just go into that zone. Whereas like, no, no, no. I'm like, I want to show everybody my messy shit. When are we going to see it? And be accepted for it.

and be accepted for it, you know? Is there going to be a reality show in Bhutan? Like, how are we getting this side? I don't know. When are we doing it? When are we doing it? Because I'll tell you why, now that you said that, I was wondering because you're saying you've been a performer your whole life.

And of course, like, not every dance, but a lot of dances, you smile and a lot of dances you're like sultry. And so are people that at least you meet, maybe that are new to your life ever surprised to, like, meet the real you behind all that? That's probably the first thing that they say. they're like they say oh you're so much deeper than I thought you were or oh you're so much cooler than I thought you were like thanks yeah but I still don't stop laughing or like joy is my default so I can't help that yeah like in in like the cheesy kind of way it's still a part

of who I am but there are so many more layers but I think that that's again I usually have told my story and like I want to be understood so I tell a lot of like my history. And I'm like, I actually am done with that part. I don't need people to know the context. I'm like, I kind of just want to start from now. What history do you feel like you're repeating a lot? Like where I came from, from Utah, the Mormon family, and then moving to London. Yeah. You know, just all that. Screw it. Throw it away. And interview is done. Yeah. But I think that, but I think that what I'm, yeah, like more excited about, in this season of life.

Yeah. I actually am more curious to see where I go than where I came from. That's so interesting because I feel like with therapy, do you have done therapy? Yeah. And it's like a lot of times and people that are hesitant to go probably understand this. Like you go and they go back. Yeah.

And they're like, I'm over my parents divorced. Like I'm over it. Like let's not. So I get what you're saying. It's like, yes, I went through that, but I've talked about it. I've dealt with it. I've processed it. And now you have like new things to.

Yeah. Well, and I think that like those things will literally pop up my entire life and like patterns and certain things. Like my mom just shared something with me the other day. I was like, and that just triggered my nine year old self. Wow. But like, but I think what's refreshing about it now is like, I don't know, I'm a body person too. So I'm like if I can move through it somatically and like literally like transform the energy within my body, then I'm like, cool, I have the awareness. of it. And then this is like my new theme. I'm like, oh, if this is popping up, it means thank you. You think that I am like at the level to level up. So thank you for the word of a oh, you're in a video game. Yeah. You're in a, you're leveling. Yeah. I'm literally in a video Julianne. Do you know what this brought back when you said you're moving through with your body?

We're going to have to bring up this video. I know, but I. The exorcism out of my asshole. But like, by the way, the asshole part, the everything, the way, I think they said, Butthole, not asshole. Butthole. And I, again, told you, I've been a fan for years. So I wasn't seeing this as like a viral thing. It's like, I always followed you. And I was like, what is going on?

Yes. What did you think what was happening? I don't know. I definitely didn't think you were being possessed or an exorcism out of your butt was happening. Yeah. Or that you, I don't, the orgasm part, I could have been convinced. Did you think I was faking? Like, what is it?

No, you were just like, what is this? No, what is this? Okay, so we're either internal or external people and we process things different. So I'm a super external person. And so the body, I don't know if you've heard of the body keeps the score. Like the body holds all the information no matter what. It's in the fascia. It's in the tissues.

It's in, you know, our muscles, whatever it is. And so this specific therapy, I mean, people can have an adjustment. And all of a sudden, like, if you look at dogs or animals, when they go through something, they shake it off, right? But they do that immediately. Humans don't do that. So they just hold all that information and they get tighter and tighter and tighter. And then sometimes when they get into a state or a relaxation or their actual nervous system

calms down, then all of a sudden the body will naturally reorganize itself. So as psychopants as it looks, because trust me, the first time I saw it. I was like... Did you know you were being filmed? Yeah. Okay. But it was really interesting because I was on tour with Oprah. We were launching Kinergy, which Kinergy is not that.

Yeah. It was a dance movement modality. But it comes from the same, like, philosophy of like, the more you move the body, the more energy can, like, move naturally through the body. Okay. So, but this is a specific therapy. It's really chiropractors, but using the energetic field of the body. If you look at it in the world of, like, physics and science, it's, it's energy.

And so everything that's around us is energy, but the more dense it is, the more it's, like, matter. And so the more dense we're holding, the more, like, solid we are. But when we actually, like, realize that we're actually made up of mainly energy and not, like, matter, the energy can start moving. Did you, you didn't have to do this. You were promoting your own thing. I wasn't even promoting. No, this is why it's so weird. No, I'm saying you were like Kennergy.

No, you were debuting it. What was happening? I was invited to come through the female quotient. And I think because it was kind of at the beginning of people discovering more and being more curious that there was like a way to bridge the worlds of spirituality and science and or woo-woo and science, however you want to look at it. And I had been doing this work for almost 10 years. And so I introduced John Amaral, who's amazing. And he ended up doing a goop series with Gwyneth. And part of the thing is, too, is like, sound is everything.

So when you make sound and vibrate sound, have you ever seen the thing on YouTube where, like, there's a speaker? And, like, there's different frequencies and, like, sound that's radiated. And then there's, like, salt on it. No, I didn't. And if they changed the, frequency, it literally changes patterns. Oh, no. So that's basically what's happening in the body. Did you feel what was happening to your body? Absolutely. Oh, so you knew what was happening.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Like, you're not like hypnotized. You're not on drugs. Were you ever like, fuck there are a lot of people watching. They might have cameras. They might get out. Well, okay. You had to lean in. If you were able to do that, like I feel like you were, you disconnected all that. So, yeah. Like, I think that's part of like the thing when you connect and you can relax and let go and surrender. You're. you're like, yeah, this is normal when it's absolutely not to the naked eye, you know? So what happened to you when you saw the, that it was selling viral? Okay, this is a very good question.

Thank you for asking. You're welcome. And I will say, I like to say I've had like two, for lack of better terms, spiritual awakenings. The first one was like in 2017 and I started going through this exploration and discovery and shedding. And I didn't have the maturity to not be like, I literally don't care what people think. Instead, I got really self-conscious.

It was also during the time that everything was unraveling in my life. So I also felt like I was losing everything. The thing that activated me to step more into my authenticity, I felt like I was being met with she's crazy and she's messed up and what she's doing is wrong and like she's blown up her whole life and all of those things. So I associated me being me and my authenticity as being wrong. and not good enough, and I've hurt people. And so immediately, I was like, shut down.

And so for the last few years, I was pretty shut down. I was like a little bit more in my death hole pit of shit era, which I like to call them. Death hole pit of shit? Yeah. That's an intense one. No. It could be just a death hole. No.

Just a pit, but it's also full of shit. Full of shit. Oh, damn. And you're just sitting in it. We'll be right back after the break. Like I said earlier, we are back to school people. It is September. Get with it.

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So good. Do you remember when she's in the trailer and she's on the couch? It's like episode four or five. And she just starts sinking into the couch. Yes. And there's that, that pit she's in.

I was like, that is the death whole pit of shit. Oh, my God. Yeah, super depressed, horrible. Oh, no. See, I still smile when I said. But, so it was horrible. This is what I do with my hands. It's horrible.

Horrible. By the way, I watched that show. And thank you for amazing show, by the way. Like, truly watch it, Margaret Quality. But that scene, too, because I remember it had those images and the sinking into the couch. But it actually, you guys showed us, like, the couch almost swallowing her. Swallowing her out. And, like, she was watching.

And then, like, you know, her husband's there. and that's what depression feels like or like you can't get out. Yeah. So anyway, so that was the image that I was experiencing. And then I was just like, I'm either going to like let my life completely pass me by and care what other people think and disconnect to what I really felt when I first started opening up and this really amazing connection of just authenticity and connection and like just belief in what was possible. And I was filled with so much joy and gratitude that my ability to create was

like on fire. And then everything just felt so stuck after that. And I was like, I'm just going to either continue on this path. And by the way, from the outside, everything looks great because I'm a great performer. Yeah. I know how to do it. I know how to turn it on subconsciously. And then eventually I was just like, well, I can either just do this and be isolated in my like, fear of what everybody else is going to think, or I can have an exorcism out of my butthole and, like, know that, like, I don't care, you know? So at that point, were you faking it until you are making it in terms of, like, the not caring or did you actually not care at that point?

No, this is, like, recent. Oh, the not caring is recent? Yeah, this is like in the last year. Okay, good. So when you saw the viral thing, you were still in the caring. I didn't even know I was in the caring at that point. Okay. I was, like, shocked and then, like, it was just, it was almost like stacking, compounding.

Yeah. It was, like, just one thing after the other, after the other. Did you have any, like, were you mad at yourself? Were you hard on yourself? Like, oh, why'd you have to do that right now? Like, then you wouldn't have to do with people, like, just talking so negatively. So I never regretted, like, doing it. Yeah.

I really wanted to. And you needed it. And not just for me. Like, I believe in it. And, like, I know what it's done. not just for me, but for hundreds of thousands of people. And so I'd never regret doing it. It's, yeah.

Not filmed, though. Yeah. But I would do it. But I would fucking do it. Did you make a statement at that time? Did you say anything on Instagram? No. You didn't.

Because I was taught not by my publicist, do I have today. But I was taught, like, don't say anything. Right. Don't put fuel on the fire. Yeah. And which, which. Like the Kardashian. Like, you don't address something.

It goes away. Which sometimes is good. But also. Like sometimes you're like, am I just told to not say or speak up for myself? Yeah. Yeah. But again, I, it was less about me. It was more about what I felt like it did. I got what you were saying. But by the way, it didn't taint him. He like, he was, he went on to do the. People want orgasms out of their butt guys. What do you think? Blinding out. I know. I know. So he went on to, you know, do the Gwyneth Goop episodes. People were obsessed.

Yeah. His phone was going off the charts. He actually. Not that I'm here to promote Don, but I love him so much that I will. He's literally just designed an online course so people can actually teach themselves how to do it. Oh, wow. So it's not about some guru doing something to you. I get it. You can do that and activate it for yourself. Oh, wow.

Okay. Well, thank you for taking me through that. Yes, because it's stuck with me for years. I'm so happy. Yeah. I even know what you were fucking wearing because, and I didn't actually watch it for this interview, because you were in like slacks. I was literally, no, I was in leather slacks with a belt and a black shirt.

And it's like, who gets on a chiropractor table? You were like, you were like dressed for a day of work. I was dressed for the World Economic Forum in 2020, before the world fell apart. You were on theme. How did you get off that couch that we were talking? Did you, what kind of help did you get or? It was, it was like a slow process. The first thing I did, I actually moved to New York.

A little bit? Yeah. I was like, I think I need a change of scenery because there's a lot of stuff in this space that I, I wasn't running away. Like, I'd already sat in it for two years. I was like, I think I just need some new energy. And I came to New York and I did a Broadway show.

And I was like, this is... Was it Chicago? No. Have you done Chicago? No, but... What? Excuse me. Everybody.

Where are you? I know. I love Chicago. I said I would do it if, like, Ariana DeBose, myself and like Hugh Jackman did it. Oh, she has... That would be soic. Okay.

But there is, you're not just doing it. You need a... I want to do it. You want to do it good. Yeah. You want to do it good. Yeah. You have to be, Roxy Harre.

Are you kidding me? It would be very fun. You could actually be the other one too. Velma. Right. Yeah. Well, that's the internal side of me, right? Yeah.

She could be both. Juliana, first time ever. Played both characters. Leave it to me. But yeah, so I moved to New York. I got to change a scenery. Like one of my best friends who's, here. He's like the mayor of New York, I swear. He's like the most loving social human. And I just

I gained my confidence back a little bit. And I just was like, oh, I'm in a city where like my identity of dancer or I just got divorced, like that thing that was just kind of like, not haunting, but it was just like my identity. I was like, I just want to try something new. And and I came here and it was amazing. And then yeah. And so that was like the first thing that just gave me a little bit of, I'm a motion person. I'm a body person. So like movement is super important for me. And the minute I feel like I move my body or movement into another environment, I have like just a new perspective on something. And I'm a student again. You know, people sometimes say, I think I recently talked to somebody about this or thought about it, but that, you know,

it's like running away from your problems or like a change of, you know, environment doesn't change your circumstance. But sometimes it does. Like I was just thinking. about that recently. I'm like sometimes, maybe I was talking to somebody single that I was like, move, honestly. Yeah. Like sometimes you'll meet somebody somewhere else, you know, and it's not always the like, no, you have to like make it where you're at. Yeah. Like sometimes actually moving around does help. So we're not going to go into the history of the Mormon I'm bringing. No, we can talk about it. No, no. But you know what is interesting? Because I, like I said, for the 17th time, followed year for years. and I've never like clock that you're Mormon thought about it like until the secret lives

until the secret lives and salt lake and I feel like a lot of attention that that is put on Utah how does that feel to to to have your home states get so much recognition I don't really feel connected to it because I left home at nine and and so I comparative to like my siblings I wasn't really raised in it as much as they were. And then when I moved back, I obviously went to high school. And you were like the weird kid if you didn't go to seminary and like be in church and stuff. And so of course, like my deepest wound is belonging. I'm like, I just want to belong. And so I've, of course, I'm like, I want to like be included. And so I would go to the school dances and I was engaged to a Mormon boy when I was 19. And like, and then it was sort of like,

I wanted to come to L.A. and I had $2,000 and I was like, okay, I really love this person. And it's great. Let's see if we can make this work. But I want to go do this. And so I did. And he ended up marrying my best friend since I was six years old. And they have four beautiful kids. And they're going to the lake with them too. And they're a great match. Yeah. Everybody's going to the lake. We're just all one big literally Mormon family. Wait. So when did the move to London with Mark Ballas's family and your brother, like how long? I was 10. We're 10.

Yeah, I was 10. How do you get, it wasn't like a shipped off situation. No. So, what was it? So we had like an amazing dance studio in Utah, which by the way, Dancing with the Stars has almost like 90% of the kids from that studio are now on the show. Like, it's weird. What is the relationship there?

How did Dancing with the Stars in Utah and the Dance Studio get? Ballroom dancing is just really massive in Utah. Really? Because of BYU and like that they have a ballroom team there. And so like that was the studio that my brother and I went to and our dance coaches, which are Mark Ballas's parents. They saw us at the studio. And then while our parents were getting divorced, they were like, oh, why don't you come over here for, well, it's supposed to be three months. And then it turned into five years for me and almost 10 years for my brother. Wow. So so it was like this studio and even just Utah in general has. like really focuses on the arts. I mean, I don't mean to make this a joke, but I'll make it a joke. It's like there's so many kids,

they have to put them in activities to keep them busy. And like rigorous ones. Yeah. And also like they're not drinking. That's like part of the culture. So it's like they're in activities constantly. So from 10 till 20, you lived,

oh, five years for you, 10 years for Derek. So they're in activities to, because so many kids. But you were actually good. Like you have to be born with. some sort of like something in your body to be good at it. Yeah. I mean my three older sisters, they all

danced and sang and acted and we were in like a band. Like we were just, we were always in it and like my, my grandparents met dancing. My parents met dancing. Oh wow. It's in the fam. It was just kind of like in the blood. But you and Derek, wait, so what's happening with the other siblings that aren't huge dancing stars? They

had different past. Yeah. Yeah, my, like my oldest sister, she started in the Mormon way. So she got married at 19 and had six kids. And then my second sister moved to Nashville to be a country star. And my third sister wanted to be an actress. So everyone wanted to be in the arts. Is there any, like, jealousy over? We've had this conversation many times. So I always am aware, like, what am I saying? Again, is this helpful or is this hurtful for whoever might listen? We've, we've had this conversation. There's no jealousy. but there is like a sadness that maybe there wasn't an opportunity for them to, to experience it. Yeah. I see where you're saying. Yeah. They're so happy. Yeah. So, so, so happy. And look, they have great lives and they love their life. But, you know. It's a what if. When you're a performer, and we did, we had an opportunity that they didn't have. Yeah. And it's hard. Do you ever feel like bad or self-conscious about sharing really exciting moments? I used to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was one of my biggest things was Derek and I were always so close because we had shared experiences.

Whereas, like, we never wanted to share because we didn't, we were afraid to hurt someone's feelings. But that just grew us, you know, further and further apart. Right. Because we weren't sharing. They didn't feel included. So over the last few years, it's been very much like, all right, if it hurts, it hurts, but at least like, we're close and we're moving through it versus avoiding.

And it's like human nature, too. Like, yes, people are going to have feelings, you know, and they can be happy for you, but at the same time feel like, oh. And it's all relative, you know, like they were super close as sisters growing up. And so, like, I didn't get to have the closeness of sisters and that bond. Or, you know, they have marriages and kids. And I don't have that experience. And so when I look at my third sister, for instance, she has three beautiful daughters.

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I had a cyst burst. Oh, yeah. And had to go to the ER and they found out I had an endometriosis. And so when they did my first surgery, they were like, oh, you're right over. is small and it doesn't produce eggs. So like, I wish they would have told me to freeze my eggs then because I was 19 years old. But I didn't. That wasn't popular then probably too. It wasn't at all. Yeah. And so anyway, once, once I got married, I was like, oh, we should we should do this just right now just because we don't know what the future holds and be safe. Who knows what it will be

like to get pregnant, et cetera. So we did the first round. And then I'm like, I'm like, like, well, how much do I want to share? Everything. So we did that. And then after we got divorced, I was like, I should probably do this again. And so I did it again last year. And then- But why do you need it again?

Like, aren't the eggs there? Yes. Or you want more? But the probability when you, like when you get older and then the quality of egg, it changes. And so for me, I wanted to just then once, especially like if you don't make an embryo right away? You mean the ones that are sitting can like their quality can lessen? Yeah, like when they defrost, they can, you know, they can also not stay or how many times you try to get like it to be fertilized might not work. And so, yeah. So like the more you have, the better. Okay. So

you did it a second time after the divorce. So I did it the second time and and it was good. But, you know, like, because I only produced from one side, I got, I get like half of what people would normally Or that's what I thought, at least. Okay. But I will say from the first time I did it to this third time that I did it and the emotional and, you know, trauma healing and all the things that I worked through because as women, we hold so much in our like womb area. That's where our trauma holds, our emotions, everything.

I got like three my first time. I got 21, my third one. Yeah. Yeah. So, and my second one was 10. And you said the first one you did at what age? I was like 29. And now it's almost 10 years later.

It was 36. Mm-hmm. Damn. Yeah. How do they explain that? These doctors, these so-called doctors, how do they explain it? I mean, I think it's, I think it's taken care of yourself. And also, like, yeah, I don't know.

I mean, again, I can go into all the woo of it all. But, like, when you're tight and you're holding and you're holding, like, a lot of stuff from your life. Well, it's kind of like when people don't get pregnant, they go. the surrogacy route, they go all these routes, and then once they're kind of relaxed. Like, I'm not going to, or yeah, taking the pressure off or feeling like, you know what, it's not going to happen for me. And then they move forward. Right. Without thinking about it, sometimes it happens. So you're in the process now. Are you still in the, I saw you're giving yourself the shots and everything. I'm done now. Yeah. You're done now. I'm like, I feel like I'm pretty

good now. Okay. And by the way, like I would still love to get pregnant naturally if I can. Yeah. But this is like a safety thing. So does that mean that the. the first and second batches, are you... They're all frozen and they're good. So you're keeping them. Yeah. But if you had to use, how do you know which batch you're going to pull from? I think you know.

They're all... Oh, they check them off. Yeah. It's like, they're labeled. But also, they'll check and see which ones, you know, more viable or healthy. Yeah. Okay. Back to Dancing with the Stars, you guys, because it is premiering September 16th.

Correct. Yes. We're almost there. We're almost there. What season of hosting is this for you? This is my third. Third hosting. Do you love it?

I love it so much. You do? It's like being a dancer, it's like the hardest thing ever. It's seven days a week. You are training them. You're teaching them. You're, you know, therapizing them.

You're coming up with the choreography. It is nonstop. And I'm just like exhale. Thank God I don't have to do that. Yeah, you are. I have so much respect for our dancers. are just incredible. Judging was amazing,

but I always felt like we weren't allowed to talk to the contestants because it was judging. Yeah. And now that I'm hosting, I'm like, oh, I feel like mama energy.

I get to like be there and like I love watching other people shine. And so, and also because I've been in every single role. Yeah. And like,

I'm not here to like give you advice unless you want it. Yeah. But like, I've been in both shoes. Right. So what do you want to know? And yeah,

I can, share whatever I see. And also, like, from an objective point of view, because I'm just watching as a fan now, I don't have a job to do. Right. I can be really honest. But are you secretly judging? Always. I'm literally, like, you know, pointing things out. Weirdly, I'm not, like, judging them based off of scores, but I'm, I'm, like, picking out the things that I'm like, oh, I would love to be able to share that with them. Yeah. No, I saw some of your, I saw this one clip where it was like, I think, Geriana Maddox, and you pointed out, like, the wrong shoes

or something. Because there's fandom. You know, you can't point out. I'm sure you got roasted for that one. Because you notice everything because you were there. So you're like, these are the shoes. This is the look. But okay, so you love being in this role.

Yeah. But is there ever like a, hmm, like a yearning for the stage? I mean, I got to do it last year. I got to like whip off my dress. I saw it. Hold my mind. I got a rip off.

Yeah, rip off my dress and dance. By the way, that moment, that I just saw like the other day made me want to start watching the show again. Oh my gosh. That moment just gave me like goosebumps with the music. It was such like perfect music for it. And I'm like, hold my mind.

Pomp, bomb, pump. Totally. I know it just made. It gave me like the energy as if I was there. And I was like, oh, damn, I got to watch this season. Honestly, so you asked me like what got me back. Yeah. It's little moments.

It's not one big moment. That was one of those moments. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I did that dance. And I was like, oh, shit, I still got it. Like, that was awesome. And like, damn, you still got it.

Yeah, but like, you know, sometimes you feel bad saying that. But I was like, yeah, I felt really, really good doing it. And also, like, I'm going to be the first to say, I got validated for it. And that felt really good, you know. And a lot of people, they didn't know I danced because it's this whole new generation of kids on TikTok that are like, wait, she dances. And, like, and, like, some of the other pros. And, like, my brother was like, oh, yeah, she's the OG, you know? And I was like, oh, that felt.

really good, you know. And look, it's an internal job, but also it feels really good to be validated too by like, especially people that you respect. It was so good. It felt really good. Are you going to have to do one every season? No, I think that would be like ridiculous if I did because then it wouldn't be special, you know. I'd be like, hold my mind again. Again, seriously. Speaking of your brother, I have to tell you something so funny, which I'm sure you got shit about throughout your lives as being close, you and Derek and dancing together. People might make comments. Thrones moments. Right.

Yeah. But I swear, you guys, I put this, I asked, I was, I was reading about the Mark Ballas stuff. Like, I just wanted to know, like, if you date it ever. So I asked AI. Stop. Stop. You have to die. No, you're going to die.

So I wrote Mark Ballas and Julian Hupp to read about the thing. I'm giving you how I prepare my interviews, guys. So then it says the beginning, but then the end of it goes. This is Google, okay? This is wild. Are you ready? Oh, I'm scared. Well, they had a closed bond.

they were not a couple. Huff's first love was there a couple. I mean, not wrong. He is my brother. He is my first love. Is that so funny that that comes up on your AI Google? I was like, imagine you just listen to this. Like, no. This is why you guys, you can't trust. You got to like read through it and pick, pick out the stuff you want. Do the homework. Yeah. No, one of the first things that we did for Dancing with the Stars actually was before either one of us was ever on the show. and we were background dancers on the live tour. And Kariana Naba was like... Kriana Naba, I cannot think of it that way.

She was one of the choreographers, and she had my brother and I dance the rumba. Is that a sexy dance? Is that a sexy dance? Is the dance of love? Okay. And of course... And of course, we're both like, you know,

I'm 18, he's 21, and we're just like, we have a job to do, we must do this. Halfway through the tour, people started figuring out that we were brother and sister. And, like, we're about to start the song, by the way, which was my endless love. We're doing a rumba. And all of a sudden, we hear, that's just wrong. So to this day, Carrie Ann is like, I'm so sorry I made you guys do the rumba. Wait, I can't believe you guys didn't even like, Carrie Ann. We didn't push back. We didn't push back.

Wait, are there faces involved in this rumba? You know, I'm sure we could do a deep, like, dive on YouTube. And see, like, the moment. Yeah, it was like, it was the, it was the dancing with The Stars tour between season three and season four, because it was right before my first season. And you didn't push back. No. We did this sexy Rumba. We were good students. We do what we're told.

And when, and you heard somebody scream that? That's just wrong. Yeah. And by the way. Yeah. Not no. Not no. Are there.

So ever since you've danced so many times together. So do you do you make sure it's like friendly looking dances? We literally could not even try to. be, like, sexy when we dance, even if it's like side by side because it just can't happen. So we used to tour together all the time and like all of our dances were very playful. And then Derek now tours with his wife. And I'm like, how does it feel to actually just dance? Yeah, and like light yourself.

Yeah. It's like it feels so good because like that's what like this, the chemistry when you do ballroom and Latin dancing is it's so that. Wait, and you're going to be an aunt. Yes. That's so exciting. I know. This is technically my 11th niece and nephew.

Yes. I had, you know, I was an aunt at 11. And so, yeah, for me, I'm like, I'm so excited as an adult to hold this baby and be like. And you guys are so close and live in the same, right? Yeah. And I'm so glad his wife is doing well. She's amazing. That was a horrible story.

Honestly, truly a miracle. I mean, the doctor was like, if she would have come to a different or gone to a different hospital. Yeah. She would have died. And it was, it was crazy. Oh my God. Yeah. It was every little moment was a miracle. Yeah. And like completely guided. And yeah, she's, she's doing great. She's literally perfect. And you're going to meet that baby soon. So excited. Tell me more about this cast of Dancing with the Star is. We got two Mormons. Yes. How do you feel about that? Do you feel like I'm really excited. I'm really excited. So camaraderie? I think so. I mean, I mean, the whole show is all about like pitting against each other in the in that show i feel i mean i haven't watched it fully so i could

be totally wrong but i feel like there's a lot of drama between right right but i met both of them and they're like actually friends and sweet and like really nice i tried to get dirt i interviewed one of them and i was like so how competitive are you going to be with her and she's like no and i was like what i was like if i was on the mormon wives i'd want to be the only one from that show yeah and they were like no but i will say maybe that's the mormon in them that's just like ingrained which is everybody should win. Everybody should win. No, there's only one winner.

Who is your winner? Who do you think? Who do you predict? Give us your like, oh my goodness. I kind of have to be Switzerland because I'm the host. But.

Anybody are you going to surprise us? Once I, I mean, the four that were introduced first, Robert Irwin, Alex Earl and Whitney and Jenna, I was like, oh, Whitney is amazing. Robert is going to be like

such a great, just energy, like his sister Bindy. Yeah. And then Alex has this following that's crazy. Yeah. And so I was like, and they can all kind of dance. So I was like, oh, they're like, like who's going to be able to come in and top that? And then it was like not just, I think Dylan's having like a really amazing moment right now too.

Dylan have fun. Yeah, and I think people root for him. He's like a, you can see he's like a good guy. But he also has Daniela as his partner. Okay. And she is a firecracker. Really? She is fierce and so like

I know she's like in it to win it You know so I'm like watch out for that couple Because I feel like in his energy He's like more laid back So it'll be interesting to see Like them together What Hilary Baldwin was announced You're gonna have to work on your Spanish babe

I mean Hola como is that? Yeah How's ta la dance? Yeah How do you say dance? Right Baile

Yeah I love But she's kind of a dance I don't know I think she had dance experience in the past. I don't know how much she's been doing it. But, I mean, talk about somebody campaigning. I mean, she campaigned and she got on the show.

Babe, so many people campaigned for the show. I feel like. I get more DMs about, like, being on the show than I would like. Can you help? Do you have Paul? It's not, by the way, I have zero say. Okay. Or like decision making, but I suggest.

And like if people, you know, send. So people annoy, like people in your life or not even just like, Mutuals are like, help me get on the show. Totally. Everybody wants on the show and it's, it's a little bizarre to me just because I feel like it's so stressful because this isn't like going traitors, you'll figure it out and you just have to like scheme. You have to fucking dance.

You do. And be good and trained, but everybody wants it. It's like this bucket list for people. Well, there's so many facets to it. I always look at it as like, this is a transformation show masked in dance and brinestones and sequins and whatever. The energy of the show truly is, like, joy, family, holy shit. I'm super vulnerable, but people are rooting for me.

Yeah. And even when they're not, they are. Yeah. It's like, it's such a joy this show. Yeah, it's not a hating show, which is really fun because reality TV is so, like, toxic sometimes and fandoms get gross. Yeah. And I feel like dancing with the stars, even if someone messed up or, like, did a bad dance,

like, it's really light and fun. It's everybody's accepting of the journey. Right. It's like, oh, she fell. We love her. Yeah, exactly. And I think, like, the number one question I always get asked anywhere I go is, when are they going to do dancing with the stars for the regular people?

And I'm like, why? Do you want to learn, like, a posidoblo? And they're like, no, I just, I want to go on that journey. Like, I want to feel confident. I want to feel sexy. I want to lose weight. I want to learn how to dance. Like, whatever the thing is, it's actually the thing underneath it, which is, I want to watch

that person come alive, I want to come alive. And that's what I see on the show. Do you think that could ever happen on Normie dancing with the Normies? Dancing with the Normies? Should we start? We should rework the title. But maybe we should give us people what they want. I could see that because yes, people care about celebrities, but people also, if they get to know somebody from the beginning, we want to see their journey. Exactly. I don't not know. Not know. Is there a friend of yours that or a friend in the industry that you, you would really want to see on? So during the pandemic, because everybody was like, we don't have jobs. Yeah. I actually had a lot more people send message to me. Yeah. Messages to me that I was like

surprised would want to do the show. I wouldn't be now because, again, the show kind of had a lull. And then it's like, it's just like, again, went like this, like the hockey stick thing, you know? And anyway, they weren't the ones that asked. But I was kind of pitching was Sean and Nina. Okay, because Sean ending at the same time with separate partners. How sick would that be if they could compete against each other? Because obviously he's competitive, but she is so competitive. Oh, she is? And they both can move.

And she's a content queen now. She's like all about the TikTok. Oh, yeah. But they can both move. So I was like, how fun would it be to see them on the show? Okay. Maybe. Who knows?

Who knows? But that was like back in pandemic era when like, again, maybe there was more time. Nobody knew if the world was going to end or not. Not like, I guess I can go on dancing with the stars now. Right. But that could still happen. I think so. Are you going to be in the wedding?

I have no idea. I have no idea. You guys' friendship is really cute. Are you as close all throughout the years? We were through Rihanna, our hairstylist with the W. Noir? Yeah, we were introduced and we had like kind of a blind date and we went to a Lakers game and became friends. Ever since.

Yeah. Let's manifest her on dancing with the stars. I know. Both of them. I want to see both of them. That would be good, competing at each other. Julian, thank you so much for coming. Thank you.

You're the best. Everybody tune into Dancing with the Star is September 16th. Yes, that is it. On ABC. Please tune in. Yeah, and Hulu and Disney Plus and also TikTok and whatever. And everywhere else. It's going to be a good season, I feel like.

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