Not Skinny But Not Fat - Kaley Cuoco Still Goes To Massage Envy

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

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The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the not skinny but not fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hello.

How's everybody doing? Welcome back to a new episode of Not Skinny But Not Fat. This is your girl. It's Amanda. And I got stuck in Lenny's crib last night with my entire hand. Like, I don't understand how there's not Andy in a camera in my life. Like, I'm literally, I don't know if you read the book when you were little, Amelia Bedelia, but like, anything that can go wrong will go wrong.

It's like, what is wrong with you? I was alone at home. Hus was with friends, and I called him to come back. And obviously he did. And it's so funny because he was embarrassed to tell them that's what happened. Like, he gets, like, embarrassed. So he told them that both kids woke up. I was like, you literally didn't tell them the truth.

That's so funny. I posted on Instagram already. I literally felt like I was in the movie, 127 hours, like, trying to release myself. And in my mind, I was like, I know I have oil somewhere. If I could just get to it. But I'm really proud of myself. I stayed super calm.

And I looked back at the nanocamara, and I was just like, Lenny, Mommy stuck. Like, such a calm bee. Such a calm bee. Is it the Zoloft? Is it me? Anyway, hope everyone else. is okay. Beware if you are trying to put your arm or hand on your baby and put it through

cribs and then the crib bars and you're not scatine but not fat. Yep. There it. I related it. What else is new with everybody? You know what? I don't love to say this, but like there are so many shows that I love into it right now. There's Tell Me Lies. There's shrinking and I don't know if it's like the curse of the third season, but I just don't feel like either of them is like the same is like the first season. You know what I mean? Like, I don't feel like I'm not on my phone or that I'm totally, like, completely into it. Obviously, I'm committed to the very fucking end. I'm just saying. But a lot of other shit is coming out to. Summer House is out. I haven't caught up on that yet because I'm still kind of on Southern Charm. What else? Oh, the live show in L.A. is in May. I feel like

May is approaching sooner rather than later. Part of Netflix is a joke. So if you haven't gotten your tickets, my L.A. Peeps. Get up. and I can't wait for that. Can't wait for that. The Margot Robbie and Jacob will already press store taking over. Like every snippet I see of it is like something that you wouldn't believe.

You know what I mean? Like the last thing I saw was that the director made a shrine for each of them in their rooms. Like in Margot, she put a shrine for Jacob and in Jacob she put a shrine for Margot. Like if that's needed. Like both of them know who each other are and they can create a shrine in their mind.

Like you don't have to force them to fall in love. Like they're basically in love. But yeah, at the beginning I did have the opinion that it's like not Glenn Powell and Sydney, Sweeney, which I don't think it is because they're not, you know, the headlines aren't like, they're having an affair. Like, they saw a scene canoodling. It's just like, Jacob is the most chivalrous, like,

protecting her from the rain. And they did a lot of work to, like, kind of have the character vibes in real life with, like, filling her room with flowers on Valentine's Day and the matching rings. Like, I don't think I could handle that as a wife. What do you mean? don't think. I know that I fucking couldn't. I actually talk about that with my guest today.

And I'm so excited about this guest, Kaylee Cuoco. Like, I've loved her forever. I've always thought she was such a vibe that she's so funny. I just love like everything that she's been in. Eight Simple Rules. Big Bang Theory. She was a flight attendant, which was huge, which she also produced and brought to life. And now she has this show called Vanish. It's a four-part miniseries on MGM Plus. And it's like a whodunit kind of not murder mystery, but like disappearance mystery running through the streets of France. Like it's just very cool. And I actually really enjoyed it.

I watched the whole thing. And it kind of like relates to where I'm at with my life with my audiobook obsession. And somehow, because I started my reading journey with the housemaid, I'm sort of on that path. So I did the housemaid. Then I did Verity, which was fucking insane. And now I'm on the silent patient. So I'm like, okay, I'm in this.

world of like, who done it vibes. So very much relates to Kaylee's new project. Anyway, super excited to have her on and she was everything and more in real life. Just like the most down to earth, normal celebrity I've ever met. You'll hear about it. But like, just a normal person that isn't jaded from this life. You know what I mean? So I really enjoyed my conversation with her.

She made me laugh. We vibed. And can't wait for you to hear it. And let me know what you think. We're so cute. We really are. We're loving this picture. We also are kind of similar coloring right now.

That's what I was looking at. We are. The sweaters. The sweaters. We're in our sweater era. Really cute. Our mom's sweater era is, but like a little style. 100%.

Kaley, I'm so happy you're here. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm such a fan. I am. Like, she'll tell you when we realize this is happening. I was like, no, I think I said, We have to have her.

I had already said I wanted to. I said, you got to get me on that show and I'm in New York. I love it. That's so, it's so nice to meet you. It's so cool. You're so great. Thank you. My notes are upside down.

That means like I don't need them. No, that's how I feel. I don't need them. I'm like, I don't need the nose. It's like when someone's reading and it's upside down. You're not actually reading it. Yeah, I heard just, you know, the Jacob Allorty withering Heights. Did you see that?

Because I see every single clip. Like, the internet is like, you need to see this. It is wild. It's wild. I know. And so, but the clip, we know what we're talking about. Is that he reads so much that they thought they would catch him, like, pretend reading. It's like, no.

He's like, no, he's really reading. He's like paperback in his back pocket reading. Not to turn this into a Jacob Allorty podcast, but we've run into him a handful of times this, like, award season, which sounds so tacky. But, like, we just have, he is the nicest person ever. Like, he is always so nice. He comes over to Tom and I always. gives us a hug, ask how we're doing. I just really want everyone to know that he's really,

I think he's exactly what everyone thinks he is. I think we don't care if he's nice, babe. I swear. But isn't that a little bit? It's an added, I mean, no, in this promo, in this tour, we see that he's so considerate and sweet. Yeah, very nice, very nice guy every time. But question, if you had a press tour with Jacob Allorty and he was filling your room up with roses and how would your fiancé, right? My fiancé. How would, how does that work in Hollywood land? I'm just going to roll reverse because I can't, I don't know what Tom is.

If it was the opposite, let's say Tom was on a fresh tour and the actress he was working with left him some sort of giftory Valentine's Day. No, thank you. Or like made matching ring. No, no, you're not wearing a matching ring with a gorgeous. Because he's an actor too, your fiancé. He's an actor. So we do, there's an understanding to a point of like,

chemistry and you know you get very close to people that you work with it's a very weird job it's a weird thing that we do it's a weird because you guys are in a bubble for months for months and all of a sudden you're not yeah and then you'd come back and you do then the weeks of doing like it's very strange lifestyle that we live you have to be very like but you're still a normal like because I think we look at Hollywood sometimes from the outside in and it's just like we accept it as true like no that's how it is like you know but but no you're normal people that you would, you're saying you would die. I'm a jealous girlfriend. You would die. 100%. He's not, I don't think Tom is a jealous person. I am. Yeah.

I openly admit that. I, like, you would get jelly if you like, no, not the, the, the, this kind of press tour, but like. Yeah, what I have. I've had to contain myself in moments and do a lot of therapy on myself to be like, why am I? Why am I feeling that way? Like, I know this man loves me. Why am I, it's a weird, but yeah, no, I've struggled with that. over the years. I'm better than I used to be. So do take that into consideration with how you act because you know that you would. Well, that's what's so funny because Tom will always say, well, look at your situation. Like, would you ever do anything or be any other way than what you are? And I'm like, never. And he's like, exactly. Me either. Like I'm like, oh, because I would never act in a way that was inappropriate ever. I'm like so far the other way. He's like, well, me either.

And it's like I kind of forget that. I'm like, right, of course. Oh, because you will get worried, you mean. Yeah. If I'm thinking he, if there's something inappropriate, he's like, would you ever know? No. Yeah. So I know, I know I would never be inappropriate or crossing my life. So I'm like, of course I believe that for him too.

Yeah. But I still get jelly. But you still get jelly. It's a natural feeling. I know it's natural. It's good to know that like in Hollywood you guys are. Yes. And how.

Hollywood? No, because we're watching things and it's like what is going on. We were talking to two seconds ago about you turning 40. Yeah. That was when? November 30th. November 30th? November.

Yes. Yes. Well, wait, are you a Scorpio? A Sadge. Okay, okay. Are you a Scorpio? No. Oh, why did you say it like that?

Because November felt Scorpio to me. Oh, you sounded excited. I felt scared. Oh. Okay. I don't know it well enough to know. I don't know anything well enough to know. What's your sign?

Gemini. I know that. What is that? Cool. Yeah, for sure. Gorgeous. Satch. No, sadge is good.

I have something inside. Sadge is fire. I have like a rising or a moon or something. The rising. So you're not connected to the astrology. Not as much. I'm not great about it. No.

No. Okay. So you're sad. So meaning, okay, 40 was end in November. Yes. And you took it. You cried? I cried for like two weeks.

Why? I wasn't because I was turning 40, but it was an emotional thing that came with it for me. I'm not sure why. Birthdays have gotten a little more emotional over the years. For me, it's just I think the older you get, the more you know. And it's like, oh my God, it's time passing and family and parents getting older and your child.

It's just like weird. It's things you don't think about it, 20 and 30. Yeah. So I'm definitely a little more sensitive these days. It wasn't like I'm done with my 30s. No. No. In fact, I actually glad I'm done with my 30s.

I feel like I know so much more now. Yeah. No, I think it was just more. It was just a little emotional. Just knowing how fast life goes and trying to take and be like, oh, my God. like what happened over these, you know, these last years, how did we get here? But then looking out and going, wow, there's a lot going on. And, you know, also when you have a kid, as you know, like, she's just more emotional.

Yes. Everything makes me very emotional now. Yeah. Because of her. I know, Matilda, right? Obsessed. She's almost three. March, March, baby.

Almost three. And you don't post her, right? Oh, I'm the world. Everything. Well, everything. Since birth. I'm like, ah. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't care. You made like a conscious decision about that. You didn't think about it. No. You were just like... I'm not weird like that. Like if someone comes up to me, can I post this picture of a...

Yeah, I don't care. You don't care. It's going to find it. Why would I say don't post that? Yeah. Am I crazy to think that's not going to like find its way on something? I think you could get crazy. But I also like to go like blah blah, blah, blah.

You know, people are like, don't you think they could end up by that. And I'm like, no. I'm the queen of head in the sand. I'm not joking. Like a handful. Maybe it was like a year ago. I'll never forget this conversation. I told Tom, I was like, I really need a massage.

He was like, okay, want you call someone. I'm like, I'm just going to like roll into massage envy and like grab my massage. That's like a, do you have them here? Yeah, yes, yes, yes. I know that. He's like, you can't do that. I'm like, why? Because you can't just go.

Because you're famous. He just was worried. He's like, call someone to come. Like my point is, I don't think of those things ever. He's like, I don't think you should roll into massage. envy and just, and by the way, nothing would have happened, but I just don't live, I have never seen myself other than a girl walking in a massage envy. Like, I never think that way. My husband is super like, swinging the jealous, like, just get, think some like a porn stuff.

Like, I'll, I'll, like, be changing my gross stained shirt in front of our window and he'll be like, like, clothes of lines. And I'm like, okay, he's crazy. That's nice. But also he has this, uh, uh, like thing about me that he thinks I, which I don't. I don't get like embarrassed about being naked. Okay, okay. But he thinks it too much. Like, I'll go to the dentist and he's like, you know, you don't like take your clothes off there. I think he made up a story that I walked in somewhere that you did need to take off your clothes.

And I was like, ready. And they're like, you don't need to. I don't even know if it's a memory. You know how like you make up. I don't know if you made that up or if I did it. How long have you guys been together? A lot. A long time.

Since 2010. Like we were beat. Wow. You, like, scooped me out of a baby. And you have little ones now. And I have two, and I have two kids. Because I saw your traveling story recently and I was dying for you. That I wanted to die.

It was terror. You were dying for me and I wanted to die. Yes. How is she, how is Matilda with traveling? You know, she's great, but she's, you understand. She's three. Yeah. It's not even if they're good or bad.

Yeah. They just are like, why am I sitting here? Right. And why don't I have that? Oh, now I want to sit in that chair. Now I want to watch your movie. But now I want daddy. Now I want that juice box.

I want to look in that bathroom. Like, it's just... Yeah. But three is a little bit better. Like, my story was one and a half, which is like just really, the walking is new and the everything. But three, and also she's a girl. I don't mean to make assumptions, but is she, was she a chill baby? Like, is she drawing in the corner and braiding hair?

Is that the vibe or is it? She wants the attention. She wants to be doing stuff. I wouldn't call her drawing alone in the corner being happy. I've tried that. Don't draw alone in the corner for an hour. Yeah. Okay, three seconds later.

Okay, it's like, that's my brain. On to the next, on to the next, on to the next. So it's hard to keep them like, I've tried here, watch a movie, like, anything you want, 20 minutes, I'm done with that, now I want a snack. Like, it's just like nothing is interesting enough. I love that you're a mom now. It's so weird. Do you love it?

The best. It also is the most, it's the least thing I stress about. Really? I'm not one of those. You're like chill. You would think I have five kids. Possibly too chill. Like, I'm like, fine out there in the street.

She's like, she's going to be got to learn. Look both way. Here's a lollipot. I don't care. It's organic. It's not. Can you care? Like, yeah.

Like, people are so nuts. She shouldn't watch tablets. I'm like, okay. Well, she's going to. Like, why are you telling me that? I don't care what you do with your kid. It's a very strange group where people have so many opinions. I don't know if it's people in the public eye or anyone having opinions on people with kids.

but I would never tell someone what to do with their kid. I would die first. That's what people actually, I think if there's a topic that people love telling other people about the most, it's like if you want engagement, if you're like lacking engagement on a day on Instagram, post something, be like what should I, what formula should I get my kid? Like you, that's the subject that every, because I think they, I mean, you can give birth, right? And people can have babies all over the world. So they feel like an expert after one, you know? I think that's hysterical. Like even if you said right now, oh my God, what should I do in the flight?

I'd be like, I don't know. Like, I don't know what to tell you. Don't bring him. I'll actually tell you. I'll actually tell you my conclusion. I was like, he's one and a half. He knows nothing of what we just went through. He did not enjoy Miami.

He was so happy to go back to his toys at home. So he's staying home if there's another three-day trip. If I go for longer and it's a long time, you know, thing and we're trying to build, we weren't trying to build memories in Miami. Three days a big ass. Yeah. Three days and a big night. Like, no. That's rough. And I'm like, why are you doing this? You make a big deal about like driving to the mall. You're like, ugh, his nap. All of a sudden, you're, you're, you're on flight. Terrible. Don't come. No, it's so stupid. Well, I heard you didn't take Matilda to film vanished. No, no.

We made a decision. Obviously, I was in France for two months. It was a long time. It was like, almost a full two months. Yeah. And I didn't know. know this town that we were shooting, this little town called Marseille, which I didn't know where it was at the time, but it's a port town. So it's like, it's like surrounding it's beautiful. It's beautiful. But I said to Tom because he's like, what do you think? What do you think? And I went through all these thoughts of bringing them both, not bringing her, him coming. It was like all over the place. I said, you know what? I need to get there. I need to see what this place is. And I will know the minute I land if she should be here. Did you already rent a place? Like you knew where you were saying.

Yes. But again, you don't really know. Yeah. I knew from afar what the house was. And like, it looks amazing, but I don't know. I landed there and I'm, we're getting driven to the house. And it's like, I mean, it was very French. It was like cobblestone mountain sides. And my house was like on a curve and like the motorcycles like running me over. And I'm, and I'm looking around. And I also was trying to take notice of, I'm like, okay, let me think like we could find a nanny here. Like let's look for parks. I did not see a single park. There was not a park in the town. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There wasn't a park. Yeah. And I'm like, I can't take her anywhere. Like, where am I going to take her?

this whole thought process is going on from my first drive to my Airbnb, whatever you want to call. And my house was literally on the side of a mountain gorgeous for an adult, not for a two-year-old. There's nothing to do. Also, like, the house was so modern. I was about to crack my neck going up the stairs. I'm like, what are we going to do? I can't. So I just had this overwhelming, strong voice going, she's not coming. Yeah. And I was like, there was a moment of the, I cannot, I cannot leave her. for two months. Like, this is crazy. And I told Tom, I was feeling. I'm like, I cannot bring this child here. You cannot bring her. You cannot bring her. He was like, done. Got it. There wasn't even a conversation. He's like, I got it. Just be immersing it. We're not coming. He ended up coming to

visit me for about a week, but we left her. And it was the best decision I ever made. Let me tell you something. I face-timed that girl twice a day. She rarely came to the phone. When I tell you, oh, she's at her, she's in science class. Oh, she's at the park. She's on a play date. She's napping. She's with grandma. She's with daddy.

It was like the schedule and the fun she was having made me so happy. Like, it wasn't like she was, that's what you want. You don't want them to be. Where are you? Right. You didn't get a little like, miss me? Never. No.

Not even one second. I was so happy. She was so happy. And so she didn't care of. When Tom came, she didn't come. No. Because then I thought a week. week across the world.

Right. That's like, that's not fair to her. Right. She either needed to come the whole time, get on the schedule. Yeah. It's hard for an adult to switch with the time change, the environment, everything. Like, who's not going to do that to her? I kept thinking to myself how wonderful it will be in a handful of years when she knows what's

going on. And I can take her on a trip like that. Right. When she's like into it and wants to hang out and shop and like, I ain't pushing a stroller up the cobblestone streets of France. And the people that did there, I was amazed. I'm like, I don't know how you have children here. Wait, what did you, how were you feeling throughout with that?

Like, were you feeling any guilt? Were you, it doesn't sound like it sounds like you were. It did not feel guilt. Were you, was it hard to be away? No. I honestly, I desperately miss Tom. Yeah. I miss Tom every day.

I miss Tom when I'm with Tom because I'm like, but I, but I mean that in like, I just, I love it. But in an adult way, like I didn't. Lucky Tom. So you miss him when you're with Tom? I miss him so much. I miss him so much. So he came to visit me and it was like wonderful.

But I didn't feel bad at all. I also knew my commitment to this job. I wanted to do this movie or this four-part mini-series. I wanted to commit to it. I had a lot of work I had to do. I needed to focus. And I kept thinking even if Matilda was here, how awful would this be for her? Yeah.

I'm working all day long, all over the city. I'm barely home. What's she going to do? There was nothing for her to do. It really didn't make sense. Like that's why I was saying, like, about my son and the Miami is like, they need their, their surroundings. It's not fair. People.

They're the happiest. They're not like, ooh, beautiful coastline. Thank you. Exactly. They're like, they need what they know. If we were, it's funny, we shot one week in Paris. And they don't know time. They really don't know time.

Because I left him a few weeks ago just for a few days to Sundance. Yes. And I came back and I was like, oh, man, I'm going to come back. He's going to wake up. He's not going to know what to me. He's going to be scared. And then, like, literally he's like, he wakes up from in the morning. And I arrived earlier.

And again, going through my head is like, he's not going to know what's me. He's going to get scared. He doesn't know I'm here. And he was literally like any other morning. I'm dying. Like, just like, hi. Just like, and I'm like, oh. Like, he does, he really didn't register the days.

No. He just thinks it's like tomorrow. Do you feel guilty when you leave? No. Yeah, exactly. I knew I would love you. Why do you feel like, come on. I don't feel guilty.

I know I'm a great. I don't feel guilty. This is where my ego comes in. Unless I hear the Kardashians saying like making memories with the kids. But that's why I'm putting that in a box. Like when you're making memories, you're making memories. When you remember. Right.

And then when you're not, you're not. Yeah. And also like we're also making memories through other parts of our life. Yeah. Like I'm not going to, that's also torturous for them to come on a trip like that. It's just not fair. Yeah. We'll be right back after the break.

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should I say, Zem is you can be a mom and still be a dumb bitch. But that came from not actually being dumb, but being the same bitch. And it feels like you... You just added to it. You just added.

Like, you're the same bitch, but now you're a mom and you have that part of your life. And it feels like that's, like, really true with you. Like, you didn't change. No. You're not all of a sudden

just into, like, mom things. No, bro. Listen, this is what I was going to say, this is where my... This is where my... The one thing I'm cocky about because that's not a word we would ever use about me. I know I'm a good mom. I know I'm a great mom. I love her more than anything on this bucking planet. There's nothing I wouldn't do for her

and Tom is the same. And she's so lucky she has both of us that adore her so much and she has everything she could ever want. And I know I'm a good mom. And I also know I'm a good at my job. I know I'm a good friend. I know that I, these are things that mean something to me in my life. And she is, the proof is in her, the happiest, sunshiniest, funniest child to me ever. Is she you? She's hysterical. She's both a, she has, we call it resting Tom face. She's got the RTF face. It's not resting bitch face.

It's resting Tom face. But then she is cheeky. She is funny. She's very silly. Loves to dress up. Loves to make me laugh. And she thinks I'm really funny. She thinks I'm,

she's like waits for me to do something. Oh yeah. She was like that when she was really little too. Like Tom's like, she thinks you're just going to perform because I was always like, like, like a crazy person. She's so much fun and she's fun to hang out with. I posted the other day, I took her for her first manicure pedicure. That was something I've been dreaming of doing because I go once a week.

It's my love going. So I kept saying, I want to bring you for your first manicure. And she's in the car with me. And she kept going, Mommy, I don't want to get my nails done. I'll just watch you. I think she thought it was going to like hurt or something. That's mine. You don't have to.

And I'm laughing because I knew the minute she got there. She would want to. She walks in. It was like, oh, like all the polishes. So she goes, she watches me. And she goes, I want weo. She wanted yellow. Oh. I see one to your toes. So she did. She saw her toes. And then my sweet manicure's like, do you want to match it to your nails? Yeah, I want well-well all my nails too. Then she, I'm watching her do this with her nails. And I'm just laughing. She was so serious about it and so happy. And then she tried to do, you know, the spa chairs with the water. She thought it was a bath. So she starts, like, pulling her clothes off.

Sounds like me. She's going to get in the baths up in the spa chair. I was like, okay, I love you for trying to get clean. Yeah, we don't want to get washed in there. to give you seven more baths tonight. But it was just a really, it was just like the sweetest day because I was actually the first time I was like hanging out with her as like almost the three. She was like hanging out. We had our little Starbucks. We had our little nails. That's so cute. It was really sweet. It is also cute that you go to a salon because I've got to the same girl for 20 years. Like at a place where like other people go. I have followed her to four salons. Shout out to Helen. That's so cute. Oh yeah. I never have a manicurist. Do you are you gatekeeping Helen? Yes. I'm sorry. I don't feel bad. She's like, post me. You have a gazillion followers. I don't even say Helen's last name. She's like, share. She's one name. You're keeping Helen. Yes, I am. Have you given her to your friends? Yes, many. Oh, yeah. Speaking of your friends, really good friends with Zasha. She's one of my best friends. You have the boop together. Oh, we're the boop. Has she been on the show? She's been on the show. I've had all the girls now. Oh, my God. Yeah. Love girls. I don't blame you.

I was actually after the fact when I met her and I was like, I have to like rewatch your show. Oh. Because I didn't, I knew it, but, and I did. She's, um, special. And then I started watching. Because you're both horse girls. We're horse girls. We're at, we're the same person.

She is one of my, she'll be my forever, forever best. You share a horse or something. We traded a horse. We traded horses because it like, mine benefited her in a way that benefited us. It was like, it's like, it's like wonderful situation. Relatable, like, story to most. So unrelatable and obnoxious. Like, oh, her horse.

Trust me. I know how annoying it is. But we didn't, we're both just deep animal lovers. And so we share that love deeply. And the fact that she was a horse girl, so she's still in New York. And so while we were shooting flight attendant, we lived together. And we would, like, ride horses. It was ridiculous.

We'd drive to work together, ride horses, go to the gym, everything. Wait, that you were filming. And where were you filming? Second season flight attendant. We were in L.A. Oh, okay. She was New York. So she came out to L.A.

And lived with me the whole time. Like, should we just live together? That's so awesome. It was amazing. And then you got the boop. The boop. Which I love boop. We got the boop.

It's up here. I'm a boop lover. It's so sweet. Well, that's our first, everyone knows this story. I feel like I've over told it. But in our first, we had our chemistry read together and we were reading. And she said something. And I just went like, like, on her nose.

She was like, flicked me away in her little Zasha Wade. She's like, why did you just boot me? And we went on this whole hilarious tangent. I said, I can boop you whenever the fuck I want. And it became this thing. So we started calling each other boop. And we got it tattooed. And she's booping my phone.

And yeah. She's a mad. She's mooping your phone. Yeah. I have to tell you something funny. I don't know if you know. But like when you Google you. Oh.

I don't want to know. Do you know like what comes up like three? Like you know when it auto fills it. Bikini picks. Oh my God. Are you taking it as a, I mean, it's a little, first of all hot. They're so. But they're so.

Many. They're so old. I am 40. You know, okay, when I'm here doing press, the crazy, I don't think half of them are real. Oh. I think some of them are, but this is old. Wait, do you know what I'm talking about that. There's a lot of- I do. I Google myself every day. I know what comes up. Come on. And if you say you don't out there, you're liar. You know that I started like gaslighting myself. I was like, did I write bikini? Like, I was like, you know, it's like, how is this number two? It's disturbing. I don't know. Wait, but then I think I like realize how when you are in Big Bang, like, I feel like you were a sex symbol for like nerdy men everywhere. It was. And you were probably on the internet in a lot of places. Yeah. I started that show. I turned, I turned 21 in the first season.

Yeah, you were so young. You were such a baby. It was so crazy. So I was like at my peak of my best. Did you know you were like peaking? Which like, by the way. I think you're peeking now. I think I'm better now.

I think you're better now. It's a different time. It's a different, it's a different vibe. A different vibe. I mean, that was. But in your outfits, like, were you feeling yourself? Yeah, I went through, you know, it's funny too. Like, that was 12 years.

So, and we laugh because the amount of like the outfits, the denim changes, the hair, the ridiculous outfits was like, what? The bleach blonde. The bleach blonde. Yeah. I mean, that's 20 years ago. 20 years ago. And every time I think about that, I can.

cannot believe that was 20 years ago. And I hate that I do this time thing, too. We were talking about it. And every time I do it, people say, like, you know, the thing that, like, makes it worse is, like, doing what you're doing? What do you mean? Like, talking about the time goes quickly. And do you feel like, do you feel like a mom, like doing that all the time? Like, just like, oh, we talked about it yesterday. You know what happened today? Yes. We remember our mom saying that. How about our mom saying, I remember my mom saying things like, oh, I've known Lisa for 20 years. Right. Who in the hell could know someone for 20 years?

I know all my friends for 20, 30 years. It's so scary. It's gross. It's wonderful that we have friends for that long. Yes, it's wonderful. But whoa, I never thought I'd get here. I know. And I'm like, I probably wouldn't become your friend today.

No. So good thing we're locked in. 100% from like seven years old. Also, you have amazing skin. Thank you. I am like. Really? Yes.

I appreciate it. What are the products? Are you going to gatekeep? I've been using. Using? What is with the glow? I've been really stopped. Maybe I did my makeup well by myself.

The glow you have, I don't know what it is. I've been using skin. I love how we're like looking at ourselves now. Skin suiticles lately. Gorgeous. It has chemicals in it. It's whatever. And I think we need the chemicals.

What doesn't? No, because you know how I got into like the clean beauty stuff and and that's great. But then I feel like maybe it's not working and you need the chemicals. Like Botox has chemicals and you know what I mean? Yeah. What about you? Do you do like Botox a little bit? Yeah.

And what about when you film? Obviously. I didn't notice in your... It's not too bad though, right? No, you move. I don't ever do my forehead because I'm so... Because you need to express. I have to express with the forehead.

If I started, there was one... I'll tell you this. Big Bang when first time I did Botox. I can tell you the episode. I can tell you the scene. How old were you? It was mid. So if I was, it was deep into the show.

Like halfway maybe. Okay. And I just wanted to do a little Botox. Do you definitely didn't need it yet. Well, I was, yes, and the proof was what I saw when I watched. I was like, I did my first Botox. I did my forehead and all this stuff.

I was so excited, but it was like the same week. There is a scene where I have to like really do this thing with my face. I'm not moving. Could not move. The fact that no one said anything to they probably were thinking it. I have never been, I couldn't believe how bad it looked. I was like, Kaylee. I was like literally doing these jokes and my nothing moved.

My forehead didn't move and it looked like I was trying to move it. And that's when I thought, whoa. Yeah. We don't need the, let's calm it down. Let's rain it in before. So I rained it in and now I don't do my forehead. But no, oh, sister, I love a little above tops. So you have a great forehead, by the way, too.

Well, I do here. I got a little, I do it on the neck a little bit. I saw that you said you do something on the neck. You need to fill me in. Because I have lines. I used to, I feel that. I'm really, I've talked about these lines before. You either have the lines or you're done.

I thought they were like Ashkenazi lines, but you're not that. So I don't. You had those your whole life? My whole life. People are like Technic. I'm like, no, no, no. Born with it, babe. 100% because my sister never had them.

Okay. It's a thing you have. It bothered you. It drove me crazy. And so I fill them. I get them filled a little bit. I feel like I've done filler in there too. And I have to tell you it totally smoothed it.

I mean, I have a turtleneck on right now, but it smoothed it out. Yeah. I don't have to do it as much anymore. That's the type of thing that like nobody would notice that planet Earth but you. But if it makes you feel. Everyone notices it. Shut up. No, in my head.

Oh, okay, yeah. You know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But you were also, like, one of the first people, like, because in, like, 2016 in a magazine, you were talking about, like, getting your boobs done, getting your nose. That wasn't, people weren't doing that in 2016. How did you do?

Yeah. Leader of the pack. You are. Those boobs that you had to run in. Oh, I'm telling you. A lot of running. My second pair. But, yeah.

Really? Yeah, 20 years. You have to do it. That's what I heard. You got to do it. once. I would love a third pair. Best decision I ever made. Really? Yes, of course. We'll be right back after the break. So a lot of you know that I've had gut issues, which luckily pregnancy has kind of taken care of those for me. But when I had gut issues, one of the first things I quit was coffee.

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Just quick. But it's just four episodes. How great is that? It's, okay. Quick watch. Of course. I love a quick watch. Me too. I love to bang it out. I love it. We can't force people to watch that. But I didn't. But it's also like when it's good, you want more. You know what I mean? Thank you. So by the time this comes out, vanishes, by the way, it's already out. First episode is out. I loved it so much. I was, I had to like watch it all in one night because I needed to know what was going to happen. I didn't know. I kept on going to my husband like, I had to watch with me. Yeah, being like, do you think it's a good guy or bad guy? Do you think came off the train? So I was in it with you. But tell me about, tell me about Vantage because I know this is like your third

like a whodunit. Like a wholeness. Where you're kind of in this world, right? Where I'm running a lot. We're trying to figure stuff out. I just try and find roles where I'm running. No, I'm obsessed. I don't have to work out.

I just run. I was just thinking about that so much. You know, at this point in my life, like you got to get some boxes checked. So this checked a lot of boxes for me. I loved, I want to work with people I love. I really fell in love with this director. He was just like the lovely human being. I love the writer.

I wanted to work with Sam. It was this international, like I love this type of TV I like, like you said. Like, who did it? Oh my God. Where did he go? Is he bad? Is the boyfriend good, bad, whatever, both ways. And it's just the type of TV I love watching.

I love true crime. That's a whole, we could talk about that for the next seven years. So it was something that interests me. And I loved that it was four episodes. I was like, oh, my God. Oh, oh, so they knew. So they knew it was going to be four. Always.

There's always four. Uh-huh. So it just felt like, I was kind of like shooting like one long movie. Yeah. This is going to be, this is great. It's kind of a one and done. And I, to go to France was so exciting. I don't know how many more opportunities I'll have, maybe later at some point, but not now.

And Tom wasn't working so like he could be with Matilda. So I felt really good about that. Yeah. And I could go immerse myself in this. And I totally didn't. It was a great role. And I got to do all the fun things. And it was just a really lovely moment in time.

So I have a stunt double slash best friend I've had for years. And she goes with me everywhere. Her name is Monette. So she did a ton of it. But we shared the brunt of the running together. But she is on every project with me. And she's like my little bopsy twin. Yeah. Every day. If I'm there, she's there. She works just as hard as I do, if not harder. She's my therapist. She's my shopping buddy. She's amazing. So I've been really lucky to have her on like every single project since flight attendant. Wow. So in the last like five-ish years. That's so cool. I know. And people that are like going to draw similarities between this and flight attendant. I don't think it's that similar.

Also, flight attendant was like, I don't know, such a special moment in my life. Yeah. Like I don't want to compare it to that. Also that, if I'm looking at the two women, Cassie and flight attendant was such a disaster in the world spun around her. this character that I'm playing, she's not a disaster. Yeah. Like it's a bad thing

that's happening to actually kind of a normal person. So she's not really... It just has a lot of Hutzpah. Yes. And like... Bad luck. And the guts to kind of follow through

with... I was just thinking like what I would do. Pack it up. Me too. No, but I'd pack it up. You'd go home, right? You can go home. It's so funny.

I thought about this so often. I know. How much can we say? Like, I don't want to ruin it. Say it, say it. But you're with your boyfriend, played by Sam. Yes, Claflin. Yes.

Clafflin. I love from Daisy Jones in the sex. Yes, I know. So good. And he disappears on this train. Yes, we're on a vacation together. Like, yeah. And you are like, what the fuck, where do you go?

But you start investigating it, sort of. Because she's now in the next town. I know what you're saying. I thought a lot about this too. I kept thinking, what would I do? because at first it's seeming like something terrible is happening. Like would you go home? But you need like the American embassy.

Like you need like someone, no one understands you. And then she starts thinking like the French, like they're behind it, but they think she's behind it. And they're like, you're part of this. And like it would be so scary to be there by yourself. Right. Like that's terrifying. I'm afraid to like go to Santa Monica by myself.

Like let alone be in a whole other country. I know. That's scary. And like go to, because you start kind of following the. clues and the leads and going for it. What I loved is, like, you really peppered in. I feel like you do this with every kind of role that you have is, like, kind of like the comedy. I try a little bit. They really kept telling me, this is not fun. Really? Yeah. I know. I always weave that into everything. And they were just like,

this is not really, I tried. This was one of the few, though, that was like not allowing a lot of my state a little. Yeah. There's some moments. Yeah. I can't help myself. Were you like peppering in your comedy? Because you went. the woman who played the investigative reporter. You got it, guys had a really funny. She was lovely. She seemed so fun. Oh my God, Corrine.

She's also, like, very famous in Europe. She's like a celebrity. She is a celebrity. Yes, she's, and this was her first American project. So she was amazing. I think with her, there was like a lot of humor. She's funny, too. Yeah.

Yeah. It was sweet to it. The real, like, relationship and friendship was actually that relationship in this project. It was actually the women. And kind of how they helped each other. And she had no choice but to trust this one. She had no choice. She had nobody else.

There's nobody there. She had nobody else. You had to cut your hair for this or was that a little wiggy-diggy? It's a wig. Okay. Yeah. It's a pretty good. It was pretty good.

That was not bad. Because it brought me back to when you cut your hair for Big Bang. I showed up one day with that hair. It was an uproar. And probably for the nerds Googling the bikini picks. I was the Carrie Russell of my time. People lost their minds. No.

People lost their minds. I was just seeing Chuck Lori's face when I showed up with a complete shaved head, basically. So those were different times because today you would probably have to go through, like, you couldn't just, like, get your haircut if you're like a series regular. Well, I don't think I would now. Now that I'm older, I'm like, I'll keep my hair. Thank you very much. Yeah, that was, I was being real, I was a real rebel having that haircut.

And then I just literally, we wrapped the season. It wouldn't even know what season it was. And I cut it before the rap party. And I ran into Chuck Lori, who created our show. and like physically ran into it. And like he didn't even, he was like, I was like, hey. And I didn't comment on it. Yeah.

I was like, hey. Oh my God. Congrats. Like, have a great summer. Like, it's been such a good year and I walk away. And he must be losing his mind. No, I'm dying. Dying.

I was the Carrie Russell. You remember that. Everyone lost their shit. And you did it for a role on like, I was doing this little tiny movie. And I'm really, I'm honestly so glad I cut my hair. I wanted to and I don't regret it. But they, I know that I know. I know that Chuck and them, I don't think they were happy about it.

No, no, no. But also, I always trying to tell them, guys, this is 12 years of a show. People make decisions. People change. Our style is changed. Yeah. Who cares? Rachel changed her hair so many times on friends if we're comparing ourselves.

Remember that short hair? That was the best short haircut I've ever seen. I know. You didn't like the Bob? So interesting, you asked that because I was just, I always watch friends on planes because it makes me really calm. I understand. And I watched the short hair, which was when she gets tag as the assistant. And I was like, yes, does it look great on Jennifer Anderson? Yes. But this just goes to prove my point that just bobs are, that, that, that long hair is better.

Long hair is better. Her long hair is better. She looked incredible. That Bob, I mean, if anyone can do it, she can do it. The best. You know, but, but I was still like, okay, this is great on you, but I, but I love your long hair. No, I get it. Have you seen every episode, multiple times. Yeah, me too. Oh, me too. Yeah. I could literally tell you everything on the plane.

I laugh as if I've never seen it. And it's like you're, you lose her. I'm like, what's up with a white place? And you're like, I'm a boomer. I know. I laugh as if I've never seen it. It's that for me. I do that too, but my nighttime show is Seinfeld.

I do the same thing with Seinfeld. Yeah. So it's Seinfeld and Friends. I know every word of every episode over and over and over. How does it make you feel that like you were on a show that is like that show to people? Well, I under, so when people come up to me and they say, oh, my God, you're, you're my comfort show. I fully understand. Like, I get it.

I get it. I have that too. Yeah. And they feel this, like, connection to me in that way. Because when you're in someone's homes that often, they really start to think that they know you the same way. We think we know all the friends cast. Right? We think we know them.

Has Jen been here? No, but I interviewed her for something else. She's so, isn't she the best? Hell in love. I, word vomited something stupid. I said. she complimented my hair and I didn't know what to do.

So I told her I'd send her my girl. Oh. Yes. Do you die? I have someone for you. Wait, that's so sweet. That's so cute. I'm having flashbacks.

Yeah. I was like... You getting sweaty? I have a girl. I'll send you. I'm dying. That's what I said. But I think I probably didn't even think anything of it.

And she was like, I have Chris McMillan. Thank you. Well, I doubt she said that. She was thinking it. Well, I think she's still waiting for me to send it. I was going to say. I think you need to send it. And also,

And also my hair girl that I'm gatekeeping was probably like, Cintra. Oh, you gatekeeping too. No, I'm kidding. But like, you know what I mean? She was probably wanted the credit.

Yeah, think? She was like, Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. And it didn't happen. Have you met with her? Have you?

I met her a bunch of times. I, and every time I reintroduced myself and react like we've never met because I'm just don't think she would ever remember me. And the last time I ran into her, I was like, hey, I'm Kaylee. And she goes, I know.

I know, honey. Did she say honey? Always and she smells amazing. She is the most gracious. I just think she's incredible. She has been such an, I hate, inspiration. She has been. Yeah.

She's, the way she has conducted herself, her career, her choices, also stuck true to who she is for so long. Yeah. And she's been the bell of the talk of the town in so many ways. And like, she's never veered from who she is. Yeah. She's the same. She's never talked badly.

She's never. lost her shit. Like, we've never seen that. Right. She's like, and it's not like she's fake. She just, she's like really kept her cool. She's kind of perfect down. For years and years and years.

We've never seen her even talk badly about anybody. Not that, not that any of us would do that, but she's, she, if she wanted to, she could have, right. You know? Yeah. Or she, and we, a lot of people would have been like, we're on your side or whatever, because she's so loved. She's so loved.

So she could probably get away with whatever she wanted. I was just told we're almost done. Are you freaking kidding me? Did you just give a 10-minute warning to us? Or are you giving us double high-five? Because I just got here and we talked about nothing. No, we literally talked. I'm like...

But this is why I love you. We don't need to talk about anything. I love you so much. Can I ask you why you named it this? Does everyone ask you that? No, it's so dumb. But I want to know. It was just, you remember like 20, like 15 where meme pages were all called things like this?

Okay. Like the fat Jewish. Oh, sure. Okay. Yeah. Fuck Jerry. Yeah. So I started at that time.

Oh. You think it's a dumb name. No! Okay. I would never say that to you. In fact, I actually, it's memorable. Okay. No, it's, I like that.

Okay, that's why I did it. It's like a, yeah, no, it's memorable. It's just, I don't mean to, you know, because I've, people that like me have told me before to stop talking about it that way. So I won't talk about it in a negative way. I will just say, it's just a name. It's just like a boop. You know what I mean? It's just like, that was the name.

Totally. Means nothing. Except how I. I felt. I always felt not skinny but not fat. Oh. You mean? I'm getting deep now. That's my body.

Oh, God. Amanda Hirsch-McKee-Pey. That's not going to happen for me. Do you have any swag? I'll send you mom dumb bitch. With swag. Really? This is my, like, I will take anything with a name on it.

It doesn't have to be anything. Like, it can be your real estate company. I'll take it. And I'm going to do the, you can be a mom and Sylvia done bitch. I'm going to send you all that march. Please send that to me. I love merch and swag. I love anything with your business.

Oh. Wait, so you get like a lot of free PR and you like that? I take everything. I also take it if it, I want it meaningful to someone. Like, if it's their business, I will rep you until I die. That's so sweet. But it's so fun. Oh, my God.

Are we getting another warning? Oh, she's taking a picture. Okay, warning lady. She's taking a picture. We have no time. No, no, I know. We've only. I know.

Okay. You started so young. By the way, no, I need to tell you this story. Oh, God. The, the Disney movie you were on the Allie Cat one. No, no. My, by the way, like, just like how horny men are for you all over the world, which, no, that's mean to my trainer. He didn't mean in a horny way.

But when I told him when I was having you on, he was like, Allie Cat, what was the movie called? It's the movie he remembered. Allie Cat Strike. Allie Cat Strike. He said that he watched it every day. No, he's 36. Okay. He watched it like every day of growing up.

Stop. And is upset. Quoted the last scene to me. I had to tell you this. I can't. Yes. Yes. This is crazy.

So how old were you when you did this? I think I was a Disney movie. You were 14. Yeah. And you want to know something really crazy? I had my first kiss on that movie. Real? Not real.

Like film? Real kiss. No, not on camera. Really? One of the actors in it was my first kiss. Oh. Was it with tongue? I really.

It feels like so long. I know. The fact that I even remember this is shocking. I don't think so. It wasn't like a make-out session. It was like a this and then separate. Was he your first, like, crush? I don't know if I had a crush on him, but I definitely, I mean, it was so crazy.

We shot the fact that I'm talking about this movie. People are going to turn this off. I'm going to look, what's this fucking movie? And we shot in Canada. My mom was with it was 14. You know, all of all kids running around with our parents or super viate, whatever. And yeah, one of the, I guess I obviously did have a crush on him. I guess he liked me too, but we like, we didn't have phones then.

Yeah. Like, no one could be like, call me. Like, it was so strange. Yeah, I actually do have fond memories from that. Wait, was that your first project? No. So what was it? I've been doing this since I was five years old.

Like, you're a child star? Yes. I wouldn't call, I don't think I was a child star, but I worked as a child. And then like I feel like I worked, I worked. And then there was kind of a lapse. And then when I turned 14 is when I started to get a little more things. But I did stuff as a kid. And then I did a show.

Like commercials. Yes, a ton of commercials. You know, I did- Because your parents, like, thought you were cute and you could do it? Yeah, and my parents are, like, the most normal, too. It was what, they, they knew I wanted to do it. And so I also, they told me I had to do other things. So I wasn't just acting.

I had, like, I was, like, tennis and art. It wasn't the only thing I did, which I think any parents out there who have their kids as actors, I think the only thing, I would say is, like, don't make it the only thing. Yeah. The same way that a lot of kids, right? They have multiple things they want to do. Like, we have to see what they even like, right? Yeah.

So this was one thing that I did. So it never, I never got too disheartened by this business. Like if you got a no or like, I never got disheartened. I was like, oh, okay, I'm going to go. Then I have this, you know, class I'm doing, whatever. I just had so many things I was doing. My hands were in so many. I'm like that today too.

I was going to ask, how do you deal today with like, because I, oh, whenever I, you know, get competitive myself and like what I do or feel down or feel like a loser one day, I always think of actors because I'm like, damn, your business is like, It's so competitive. It's disheartening. And even though you can think someone's like the most amazing, like, maybe they're upset they didn't get an Oscar, you know, or everyone's comparing themselves to someone. So how do you deal with that? You know, I don't get that disheartened that often.

I don't. We just, I just don't. Like, and I really think that's been my outlook on this. I mean, I've truly been doing this for 35 years. I started my first job when I was I was five years old. Crazy. Yeah. And so I just got used to it.

I understand the game. I understand. And I, that's why my outside, my life outside of it is so precious to me. I mean, I have, we could sit here for, I have a horse. We have, I have horses. I have horses and rescue farm and like, that's like all those things is what makes my life so fulfilled. And then being an actor, something I adore. By the way, I can never imagine myself doing anything else. But it's not my whole, it's not everything. And it never has been. That's, I love it. I feel like you're so mentally healthy. I know it's weird. I definitely, the fact that I made it to this point is kind of crazy. that you're so together. I wouldn't call myself together, but I definitely know how to step outside all the crazy. Yeah.

And I'm thankful that Tom is the same. We both always are like looking at it like, whoa. Yeah. Like you never let it get to go to your head too much. Like the good moments are the bad. The good moments are the bad. And there are wonderful moments to be celebrated. And I celebrate the good moments because I know they're hard to come by.

Yeah. I've been doing this forever. I've seen it all. I've been told no a million times. I've not been the better actor. I've been the less pretty one. Oh, you're not the better body. Like, I have heard everything. And nothing surprises me. Nothing so, I don't, nothing surprises me anymore. And I'm like, fine with that. And you started like doing a lot more like producing, right? Yes. And in the last few years. Yes. And I started that with flight attendant and to be able to do something behind the scenes, the understanding now that was the best thing I could have ever done. Because I don't think, I think I lived my whole life. You know, us actors, we come in, we do our job. Then we leave. we get all the attention, the adoration, or the opposite.

It's all on us for better or worse. There's like 200 people that are actually doing it all. Yeah. You know, and being able to start producing a little bit and seeing that and seeing the efforts and seeing the behind the scenes, I mean, all the people that work so hard to make us look so good, it's opened up my mind. My empathy is like washed through. So have you, because I remember I interviewed, I think, like Allison Williams.

Yeah. Oh, because I told you with the girls. And she is kind of Marnie IRL, not to put her in a box, what she is. Yeah. So she, like, produces now and she's, like, doing all the things. And it sounds like it's a very, like, you have to be on top of, like, a lot of organizing things. It is a lot. If a producer, I think Sarah Schechter said this to me once.

She's like, if a producer got paid by the hour, we'd be, like, billionaires. Yeah. Like, it's 24-7. You're literally producing something together. You're putting out fires, your play kit, you're helping. It's, it is a lot of work, but it really makes it so special when something like hits. But how does that work? Like just inside baseball a little bit because I love to like understand.

So if, so does that mean this project came to you as Kaylee, the actor? And then you were like, I'm so into it. I want to like be more involved. Yeah. Okay. We're talking about vanish now. Right. Yes, for sure.

Yes. That I loved it. I wanted to do it. They gave me a producing credit. Also, sometimes it doesn't mean anything either. It's not like I'm in the editing bay on this job being like, I'm going to choose it. Like I was much more involved on flight attendant because I, I mean, I found that book.

That was my whole creation in a way. Not the book was not my creation, but it was like, I want to make this. And so that's how that all started. This was already kind of down the line. But it's also nice just to have a voice like that. And after this long in the business to have, you know, just some say in what you do and what you look like and all this stuff. Also, I have no problem saying what I want. Like I'm not a friend.

So I always try to encourage people, be like, tell them what you want, tell them what you want. tell me. It comes easy to me because I don't give a shit. There's a line that you don't cross and there's a level of things how I want things to go, how I want people to be treated, but, but, but, and there is no, that's it. Well, Sam, I saw I was saying in an interview, like, how, what a leader you were on this project and, like, really sweet. He's so lovely. Yeah. Like, so lovely. We had such a nice time together. And he's, he's funny. I didn't, I'd not worked with him before. I didn't know many people, everyone that said that knew him, loved him, but he's very like me in the sense that he makes fun of himself a lot.

Like he's actually very, what's the word? Self deprecating? Self deprecating. Yeah. He's very self-deprecating, which I always find so charming in people. Like, we're not guys. Let's not take yourself too seriously. It's okay.

And he does. And I found that really lovely about him. So, because obviously I'm like that too. Are you going to keep doing, are you going to like direct one day? Like, are you going to take it in that direction? People always laugh. I would be, I think I'd be. I think I'd be an amazing director because we'd like never work.

That's why I don't want to prepare. So I'd have to have everyone else do all like the directing. When I think of directing, I'm like, whoa, we'd be in and out. But then I see all their notes and shit. I'm like, wait, it's not going on in that script. Like, well, I had to prep. I'm like, I don't want to do that. So it's too much work.

Yeah. I have no patience or tolerance for that. It's too much. I want to get in there and get out. I cannot prep. Directors are always using the word prep. Prep. A lot.

Sounds like a lot. We're a prep today. We're scouting. I'm like, oh, wait, we need, I don't want to give away, but like, the end of vanished is not what I thought it was going to be. Oh, good. Interesting. Like, I don't, I haven't just, I was kind of like, okay. I know what you're talking about.

Yeah. Was that a decision from the beginning? Yeah. Or so that we knew that this was how it was going to end. Yeah. It's funny. When I was reading the scripts, I didn't know either. I'm like, where is this going to go?

What is she going to do here? Yeah. I liked it. I thought it was cool. But this is. But this is so good. You guys have to see this. It's a four-parter.

It's like 40 minutes an episode. Bing, bang, boom. Watch it like a movie at night. There's suspense. There's running. There's a lot of running. There's romance. There's a wig.

There's great views. It is beautiful. Yeah, it is beautiful. And you're just so good, as always. Like, I just feel like you bring yourself to everything that you do. Thank you. I so appreciate that. Thank you for coming.

I know. I don't want to leave. Lame. Oh, here we, here she comes again. She's back. I'm never leaving. Okay, wait. Are you going to the Super Bowl?

No, I'm sorry to all the fans out there of Super Bowl. I don't care about either of these teams. Sorry. Who are your team? Rams, and they lost just recently and it crushed my soul. Let me tell you what I did during that Rams game. It's my baby. Okay.

It's my baby. It's my team. Did you get into it not to be like a sexist? Because of Tom? Yeah. I liked football. I liked it before him. He's a maniac.

Okay. He got you. Try and get on the train. We, what we were. we're going to do. But now I'm a main, now I understand it. Now I'm like, does he regret bringing you into this? I think he actually thinks it's kind of cool because we like genuinely, like, I'll be like, did you read about so and so he got injured? He's like, he did? Wait, how much merch do you have of Rams? Let me tell you what happened. Let me tell you. So football fans out there, as you know, they just

recently lost the game before Super Bowl. So we were almost there. So a handful of weeks ago, my girlfriend and I were, because Tom had to go somewhere. So my girlfriend and I were watching the game. as you, if you know how that game went, they were really looking good for a minute. So half time comes and we're like, oh my God, I'm like ordering like, because we're going to have a Super Bowl party for the Rams, obviously. 50 fucking hats, every size t-shirt for all my little friends that are coming for the kids, whistles, yellow, gold banners, streamers, a cake at halftime. No.

Do you think I cursed them by doing this? I still question myself. Stop. You're taking the brunt of this. So we're like, it's like ridiculous amount of stuff I've ordered. And as we're watching the game, it's like starting to go bad. And I'm like, this can't be happening. And then they lost.

And I have not gotten over it. And by like date the next day, it's boxes of ram shit at my house. I'm like, oh my God, I guess I'll have to say this for next year. I was, this is why now I understand like fantasy football and football this stuff. It is, it's a soul. It's all consuming. It's taken my soul out of my body. But you only like one team.

Rams is my team. Tom is Giants. But he makes fun of me because I like who's winning. That makes me happy because I just keep following them winning. The Rams were winning. They are my team. I'm L.A. born and raised. So they are definitely my team.

But I like watching. I also like if you're all trying to learn a little bit more about football, it's fun to watch some of the shows behind the scenes. Like what's the one? I can't think of it. Where they go in. in the team and they talk about everyone. It's like a series behind the scenes. Anyone notice? Hard Knocks. Sorry, I blinked. Because you're the only one here. I know. Everyone's like not even

looking up at me. They're all on their phone. They're Googling it. Sorry, my mind blank. Hard Knox. If you're kind of a half into football, but you want to learn a little more, hard knocks is great because it's the emotional side of it. It's the wives. It's the kids. It's we had changed teams. It's the guys are, it's practice. Like I think that's the fun way of learning. Do you get obsessed with players? A little bit. Okay. Like I'm always like, I want to watch the, I like the family aspect. And then the kids, they all have families. Yeah, they're very family oriented. Think of these players. They get cut in one second and they're going to another team in a whole different state. Imagine this lifestyle. Imagine having to move to like Ohio overnight.

And your whole family and your kid. That is like a lifestyle. Yeah. So I have like, it's interesting to me. I feel like you've thought about if you could be a wag like you're like you don't know. It's in a way it's, I guess it's not like what we do because we go to a place and you come home. Yeah. So I understand the movement and packing up the little carnival that is your family, you know, and having to move around. But it's just a commitment. It's a beautiful commitment. I also think footballers are the most unbelievable athletes. They just fall with no.

Do you see how these men fall? I don't really see. I was auditioning to host NFL honors, which I still haven't gotten. Wait, who's not giving you this hosting gig? The people of the NFL honors. So first year it was, I missed out. It was Snoop Dog, but he was a great host. This year was Mad Men.

Christina? No, no, Guy. John Hamm, sorry, he's hosting. Oh, so they like guys maybe. Throw a girl in. Throw a girl in. That was my audition. First of all, I feel like it's a year to throw in a girl because Taylor Swift is with the

football. Like, girls are getting into the football. So I hope next time I talk to you, I can say I'm hosting NFL honors next year. No one's giving me the football. I love that's the goal. That's my goal. That's your goal. That and SNL. There. I said it here. SML. Easy. Isn't that so annoying? Get me on. Wait, you're telling me. I'm telling you. The Connor's story that was an heated rivalry right now did SNL and you haven't done SNL. They like it. Like that makes perfect sense. No, I get it. But like a new and like, you know, exciting.

But here's a fun fact that I learned about you. That's crazy. You got a fucking star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. That's right. NFL honors. Which people. get when they're 80 now, I feel like. It's true. Like you're like, wait, you didn't have one? Yeah, no, I had one. Yeah, I have one. I got that at the height of Big Bang.

So I was probably, I don't know, mid-20s? Yeah, probably almost 30. Yeah. Oh, that's still? Yeah, I feel like super young for it. Totally. Do you go visit your star sometimes? No.

Clean it up, make sure it's nice. No, I let people walk all over. Yeah, it is pretty gross down there. It's not great. Yeah. It's an honor. But it's... It's an honor.

Yeah. Very cool. Was it tied? Because I'm always interested. I feel like now it's very tied to like promoting something. Was it tied then to like a new season or something? No. You know that people have to vote for that.

It's a really strange. It's like a whole thing. Yeah. I don't even know who puts people up to be voted for. I don't know how it works. It's a really wild thing. No, it wasn't for anything specific. It was during the height of Big Bang.

And it was sweet. They put my star like on the same very close to John Ritters. Oh. I don't. You see why we could talk for so many things. But it's so sweet. So our stars are like right next to each other. That is really sweet.

It was amazing. You guys were in A Simple Rules together. Basically spent a year with him and I talk today as if I spent my whole life. Is it because you get, did you get, did you just get asked about him a lot? Yes, but I loved him. I love him today as if he's still there. I think of him often. I laugh often thinking about him.

I tear up. He was, the year I spent with him meant more to me than most things, like very special person. and shaped my life at 16 for sure. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I was one of the last people to work with him. And then he gave you, like, advice or something, no? He's always given me advice.

He always loved me. He was so wonderful. He was just everything that you would hope this man would be. And he was taken so drastically and so fast out of nowhere. It was such a whiplash to the community, to everybody, to his family and to us. And, you know, that was a big deal. That was like the first time I'd really experienced, like, I was going to ask.

Yeah. That was weird. But I feel I just, I just love him so much. I still host the event every year. I saw that. Yeah. And his wife and who's amazing, Amy Asbeck. And I don't know, these just, that's an imprint on my soul for the rest of time.

Oh, wow. Yeah. You've had so many, like, unique experiences in this. I know, I guess so. Industry, you know? Yeah. It's wild. On to the next 40.

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