Not Skinny But Not Fat - KANYE V KIM + NICK CANNON BABY MANIA

Episode Date: February 8, 2022

Entrepreneur, self proclaimed Guncle and pop culture aficionado, Blakely Neiman Thornton joins me discuss the latest in Kim v Kanye (re north’s Tiktok), Kylie & Astroworld, Lammy in the big brother house, Pete, the chipped tooth and John Mulaney, and Nick cannon’s vow to celibacy! Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. I'm Anisha Ramakrishna and I'm an Indian entrepreneur and TV personality with big dick energy. You may know me from Bravo TV's family karma and of course social media. I grew up in a very conservative Indian family, but I have always forged my own path and live life on my own terms. I recently left my successful career in New York City and my long-term relationship to pursue my own fashion business. I'm single in my mid-30s and I live with my parents. I'm currently cringing and I know you are too. Join me as I spill the chai on my own cringeworthy personal life experiences every Thursday,

anywhere you listen to podcasts. This is Amanda Hirsch from the Not Skinny but Not Fat podcast. You might know me from Not Skinny but on Instagram where I spend my time talking about reality TV, celebrities, everything happening and pop culture. I also talk to some of our favorite celebs and reality TV stars. We talk about what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking to with your best friends in your living room. Well, thank you for having me. I feel like I've been like circling you on the internet for a year and a half now. Wait, what is what is circling you on the internet mean? I've become tertiary

aware of you and then follow your profile more and more and more to the point where it becomes completely parisocial. It's a part of my life that I now look at to kind of form some of my own. I mean, you've changed my opinion on Kim and Kanye. I have like a steak I flipped. I was yeah. Like a steak you flip. Okay. Everybody Blakely, Neiman Thornton. Yes. My parents. the pod. They gave you a fucking name. I said basically they've ruined me because if I am not ungodly wealthy by the time I die, I have failed. I have failed to live up to this moniker. So it's like, it's like when you have a son, if and when you have a son, like he needs to be Blakely Neiman Thornton the second. Like it's that kind of name. I wish I could, I might just skip to the third because it just

has a ring. Blakely Neiman Thornton the third. Like what's bougier than? But do you get what I mean? Like, it's just that name. Like, you, nobody needs Amanda Hurst the second, you know? It's like, but your name needs a fucking, so I was trying to think how we met. We met through Hannah Burner. We were both on her New Year's Eve. We agreed to do that.

Yes, the New Year's Eve 2020, like comedy live stream of sorts. I was like, oh, who's this? She's funny. She has my same caustic humor. Yeah. Oh, my God. You use really big words. I'm going to need an encyclopedia for,

this podcast episode. Blakely is an entrepreneur and a self-proclaimed gunkle. I try to give a rich gunkle energy. It's basically like I give good advice. I can wash your kids for a couple of hours, but I am too drunk to be a dad. Like I don't want to, I don't want the full. But are you an uncle even? No, I am not. Do you watch kids ever? Ironically, yes. I'm 36. I'm at that age where a lot of my friends that are, like, more emotionally functional than me have multiple children. And for some reason, their kids, like, they ask, like, they call me Uncle Blakely. Like, my friend Elizabeth Kews, and she's, like, a child psychologist. And she has three beautiful children.

And they're like, where's Uncle Blakely? And I'm like, I've never given paternal energy. She's like, you're just honest with them. Because I don't believe in, like, interacting with the child until it can, like, sequentially tell me about its day. Like, they are day. Like, if I'm like, how's your day? And they're like, I like, I like, turtles. I'm like, no.

move on. I need to know what did you eat. They don't. It's so freaky because like imagine you have a kid. They're like three or four they go to school and you're like how is school and they're like, meh. And then you don't know. Like unless you have cameras, I don't know what could have happened. They could

have punched someone in the face. Like you're not going to know. Oh, when I was two, which is maybe why I'm afraid of this. My, I didn't have front teeth from the time I can remember to being like seven or eight. I was that little kid with like two like it was I was an adorable child. But it was Basically because when I was being babysat, I was dropped on my face.

And my parents picked me up and my teeth were just green and black and then they fell out. So my- Just ran, wait, had this happened because somebody kicked you? This happened. Somebody, I have no, I was two. I don't even remember it. My mom was just like, I got you from the babysitter. And she told me you'd eaten spinach.

And my mom was like, what do you do? It's like 1988. Like, this is clearly lies. We don't have videotape on this. But they went to the doctor and removed my teeth. So, like, I just, I look, it made for very, very cute baby pictures. But I think I've, like, internalized that trauma into, like, needing to know what's going on with children around me and not. But you know what's so wild is like this is, like, everything in my life can associate to pop culture.

So you saying that is reminding me that I think it was this week, though it feels like further away, that John Mullaney posted that picture of, that the video. of Pete Davidson holding with the crock with the with like have a tooth and like all of a sudden I'm like wait does he have a chip tooth we put it up we spin we spiral and then it it it came out and it was a prosthetic for like a movie for something but it was looking back I'm like sometimes we're so naive because like that video John Malaney would not put up that video if Pete had guy and punch in the face and had half a tooth or if he if he chipped it on an apple earlier like people would be like, nah, bro, like, don't put that up. John Mullaney is the most quietly medious, savvy, and savage celebrity, I think we have.

I think because he has, like, the Netflix kids special, like, once in my launch, or he does, like, he looks like a grown Muppets. But, like, in reality, he's, like, thrice in rehab, having babies, knows when to post things and when not to, like, one of the most savage and brutal divorces in Hollywood history. But we're like, he looks nice. I know. how wild it's like he doesn't look like he does like plates of cocaine you know like when i i didn't even know about him i until the drama about olivia mun i didn't know but then i spiraled and watched like you know him going on talk shows and him talking about like all the drugs he did and how he was high for everything and like you see this guy and you're like this is not your like typical

it's not what you would typically think but like it's weird that it does it make him cooler? Like, I don't know. Does it make him less cool or more or like like, like drugs are bad. Don't do them. But like he looks like a nerd, but he was in rehab three times. And what's funny is too, like in his comedy, he's just like telling us and we're laughing. So I think it's just funny that I'm going to use another cognitive dissonance. It's like if something looks safe, it can tell you it's not safe. And we're like, whatever. Because my knowledge of John Mullaney is him like walking his dog in like above like over in like kind of grittish. village. Like he, like, I know him and his ex-wife lived over there. So I'd see him wearing like

Patagonia coat, like drinking a latte. And I'm like, oh my God. He's so Patagonia. Yeah. You know what I mean? He is the Patagonia vest of humans in terms of what he looks like. So, but he's like, like you can't picture it. Like you can't picture it. But what do you think just because we had to bring up the chip to it? So anyway, looking back, it's like we, we spun about it. But then I'm thinking about that video that John put up. And it's like Pete looked at him and was so obviously opening his mouth super wide. He'd be like, what? And we're like, oh my God,

accidentally John got this on a video and now what's been. Like, how dumb are we? That was up. He knows. I wonder if Kim was there, especially because I think it was the same weekend paparazzi photos came out of. Kim and Pete visiting a friend's house in Beverly Hills, which is so cute. Like, did her and Kanye ever go to like a friend's house? I think Kanye's brain lives in only large

events. Like the other things it takes to be in life like visiting a friend going to the dentist you know being stuck in traffic walking up a staircase I don't think

his brain accepts those things as part of his reality and his reality it's all like a Balenciaga show with like an airplane overhead

like raining I don't know NFTs but like that's well Connie doesn't do NFTs he will he said yet

notice he said ask me later we got to pay attention to the details and knows. He will. He just wants to do... He's a stake and he flips. Oh, he, oh, Kanye is the most well-done steak of all. Well, he's a Gemini, too, right? He's a Gemini. That makes sense. That makes sense. I mean, people were saying, this is, like, one of the things that we've agreed with Kanye on lately is, like,

Oh, yeah. I don't understand. They are not real. Like, come at me, NFT, fucking coinbase bros, whatever it is, like, fight me. It's not a thing. Like, do you guys know that somebody, bought, like, I'm not going to explain NFTs, but like somebody bought the first tweet. Somebody NFTed the first ever tweet on Twitter and somebody bought that. Do you know what I mean? Like, they think it has value. How much do they buy it for? That's the thing. Like, I don't get it, but I watched this video, this blogger did. And she explained it in very lame in terms and very like how we would think. Like that's a great example. Like somebody thought that the first tweet had value and sold it and obviously somebody bought it thinking it will go up in value even more

in like 20 years. Do you got what I mean? It's like kind of like a trading space. But anyway, we need to talk about the most recent thing that happened with Kim and Kanye. I mean, you know what's better than an ad break? A beach break. And you know what? We could all use a getaway right about now. As it's raining outside my window right now, as it's been raining and snowing in New York for the past week, like all I want to do is be like somewhere in the Caribbean. When I want to book a beach of AK, I use cheap Caribbean.com because you know why? I'm a basic bee and I'm all about that all inclusive life where you can get more food,

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tour in Madison Square Park when it was the pit and everything and then I was also there in the state in the stand when he was the concert and Kim got Roth and he walked off I was in the crowd for that and I think that is the moment besides the Metball argument that it all changed I think when she became equals with him and was like an autonomous human being with thoughts beyond being his muse that his brain just like didn't compute and it's gone well i just posted a little while ago the the clip from the met gala uh when she wore the mowgli it was it was like the moogler thing that made she was like looking like a mermaid coming out with all that stuff yeah he thought it was too sexy which like that he thought was too sexy like have you seen some of the other shit right

She's worn and, like, her sims ads. Have you seen the Bound 2 video when you guys are on a motorcycle basically having sex? Like, that was you, bro. Her skim's ads are more sexual than that piece. Like, I don't know how he all of a sudden, like, looking back at that clip, it was, it was empowering because Kim was basically like. No, bro. No, bro.

Like, also, this is the night before. This is, like, custom made to every curve on my body. You're going to tell me right now that this is too sexual for you because I'm your wife now. Like. what was interesting for me as I always tried to look at language with couples and when he was talking about her not wearing it he never

even said the words you or we once. He's like I'm on this. I want this this is how it affects me like I was like this is a nice little microcosm of how your brain works and it's like it's me over everything else

it's like Meglamania personified but isn't it wild then if you look at the intricate of what she said, because she goes, you made me this sexy woman, which is also a weird thing to have it, her phrase it like that, like her sex tape was before she made it on you. So obviously she was sexy and sexual before, but she goes, you made me into this sex symbol. And now you're on a god, godly path. And so I have to change because you're on this path. I'm not on this path. That's a very big thing to say. When you tell your partner, like, obviously you don't

have to be the same in things. But that, you're right, sort of felt kind of like the beginning of the end where like she's like, I'm not on your path. I'm not in your vibe and I am my own person now. Exactly. And then what does he do? He doesn't, he doesn't resolve it. He gets up and walks out. He goes, okay then, but like not trying to resolve it, not trying to understand her viewpoint, literally just walks out of the room. Do you guys get how wild this is? Like, I hate the word grooming sometimes because it does sound really intense and And like, I am fucked up and I watched like, have you seen the show a teacher where like the teacher is having sex? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I found it like sexy until people were like no Amanda. And I was like, oh my God, you're right. She was she was grooming him. And it's such a big word to use. But kind of what he does is like he's making a person to be who he wants them to be. He has a history of molding. And he totally supports though. But he supports. It's like he wanted her to be rich. She became a billionaire. I'm sure she would give him a lot of credit.

You know what? Maybe she even gives him too much credit. Mm-hmm. Sometimes. I think with the whole thing, if he could just like talk effectively about how he feels, if he's like, I supported you

and a lot of these designers weren't, you know, fucking with you, to be quite honest to begin with, but I was there. And I helped you get, you know, the Javonsi dress

and I think the 2013 or 14 Mac Gala. You're on the list now. You've gotten these things you want. And it makes me feel like when you don't listen to me that you just kind of used me. And I feel like that's what like Kanye's like adult voice is saying. But she thanked him.

She got like the fashion award or whatever. Yeah, the icon award. She got the icon award. And she literally in her speech thanked him. And I feel like she always, Kim still thinks Paris Hilton. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like that's Queen Energy. Like I, Kim really won me over in the last year because I feel like she's proved her work with like, you know, prison reform and all the things. that she tries to do like she does give back like you can't you can't say bad shit about her because she honestly does seem like a good person that tries to do the right thing so speaking of that so does she get with p davidson and we all know about it yes could they have been more private about it gone to restaurants that aren't you know like a cheesecake factory yeah like right right so you know there we are seeing them but she's not posting about him she's not doing

interviews about him to interview magazine like they haven't confirmed like it's a very like we know about it but it's still she's not the one. We're not doing like red carpets together or publicly acknowledging people in either each other in interviews. Like it does feel like she is trying to be respectful

of honey like we're not seeing make out. I mean the closest we've seen them is that paparazzi from inside the fucking 7-11 and her hand his hand is on her butt. Yeah. But that's the most PDA we saw. I mean, I feel like when you're as famous as she is,

and I mean, I guess kind of has as famous as Pete Davidson has been by his, you know, by relation to Ariana Grande and by relation to MGK, all that stuff. Like, if you walk outside. I mean, he's on SNL, babe. Give him the credit. Yeah. He's a comedian. Yeah.

If you walk outside, they're going to get photographed. So it's like, what are they, like, in a way in trying to make it private, you almost make it more public nowadays because that first picture becomes more and more valuable, the less you're seen. So, like, if people know it and they're going to. haven't seen it, I feel like the hunger for them becomes more and more to where you can kind of get more invasive things happening. So they're like, okay, cool. Here we are. Here we are eating breakfast. Like here's a pizza and a Diet Coke for you. It's super lame. Just like when you go to 7-Eleven

guy. I love it. But do you know that I soak that shit up? I'm like, Kim is drinking a Diet Coke. Like I fucking love that. Like I live for those little things. Like I don't need to see them making out. Like I need to know that she drinks Diet Coke because I love that. I hate thinking that to celebrities and famous people that, like, look great and have great bodies and work out. Like, I need to know that you're putting shit in your body like I am. It makes me feel better. That's why the salad shaking is so iconic, because, like, we all have a plastic salad. Like, that's, there's nothing upscale about the health nut.

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Connie and Julia Fox, very public, interviews, photo shoots, shit. Now her birthday, which I own. almost thought that he wouldn't show up for because she was posting that she's like in bed smoking a jay they go to lucian in in the village and he brings them up do you think he brought her five workans and her friends held them for the photo or did he actually bring her friends baby burkins too and why though their relationship exactly my my whole reaction to most of what's going on with them is and why though for why for why ma'am Like, I don't understand.

But, like, can we try to understand, like, in what world could we ship? Like, is there a world in which we'd ship? There's a world where I ship from the Julia Fox side of things. Because you know what? She's like, I'm a working actress. I'm like a downtown denizen. I've been, you know, a dominatrix. And people know her.

It's not like, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, you look, Tommy Dorfman was at her birthday party. Tommy Dorffman. Who else? Madonna. Madonna fucking loves her. Tommy Dorffman, Madonna, Paloma. or Paloma Esner, I don't know what her,

but she was on the cover of Vogue in September. She's known. She has friends. Evan Ma. Apparently, apparently we've been, we don't know her. We didn't know her. But apparently she's this very known

New York City bitch. Like, she has friends. She's not a nobody. But she's loving. What I think that doesn't align is like, she seems like this badass bitch. New York doesn't give a fuck all this shit. Yet you're being,

the way you're acting about dating, Kanye is not being that cool. So why aren't you this cool girl that you seem like. I feel like it's performance art because I feel like often we associate being quote unquote cool with like being nonchalant or not caring or like ignoring the thing. You're above at all. And she's like, oh, I'm going to, I think it's even more interesting and it's a more active form of control to like play with the narrative and participate it in yourself.

Like when I post about Julia Fox, she's looking. I put, I post a story and I mention her every time. She's hyper aware of what's happening. Like she for sure hates me. Like there's no way she doesn't know. There's no way she doesn't know. And I'm kind of scared of her. All of a sudden I'm like,

there's no way she doesn't see that I'm posting about her. And like, I don't want her to hate me. You know what I mean? And like I don't hate her at all. I think Kanye in this situation is being, I hope he isn't taking advantage of her. And if he is, then I hope she is consensually aware of this fact.

And if they're having sex, then do you think they're having sex? Yes. I think she's a small. girl, I think she is aware and I think what we're not used to is she's playing with this whole situation in a way that none of us are familiar with. It's either like

oh no, no, don't take it my picture or you're doing like an e-news, but somebody who's like playing with it this fast and in real time like by the time we like have like breathed this eye really from the last thing they've done, they're doing another thing. So it's like we're almost being

like punched in the face. Like what's working out of than like Lucien with 17 Birken bags and Jeremy O'Harris and the guy from Gossip Girl wearing leather gloves. Like, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. I, yeah. I mean, I think the world in which

I would ship, I would even accept this, be like, you know what? She's playing the game. I think what's making it dirty is Kanye's behavior with Kim. Exactly. To create the narrative. Took the words out of my mouth. Synchronize.

If they were just happy with each other and he weren't doing this crazy shit being like my like today like again we just took like today but even before i mean even before it's like the song he came out with was thank god i survived that crash yeah pete david david tass i mean that's a dig so many digs so many digs he wasn't invited to chicago's birthday party two seconds later he was there so the last thing he posted was uh a screenshot of north's on ticot and wrote since it since this is my first divorce which killed me, you guys. Won't be the last.

Since this is my first. He sounds like an influencer being like, you guys. So since like this is my, so since this is my first divorce, I need to know what I should do about my daughter being put on TikTok against my mouth. So the way he's framing this is like Kim is putting her on, which I feel like we can assume that it's North being like,

I want to be on. Yeah. Mom. Make me an account. It's like my parents are two of the most famous people in the world to have gotten famous through the internet. I can read. Like I, she is.

a performer, like, have you seen North? So my personal opinion isn't that Kim would put her on TikTok, is that Kim agreed to let her have a TikTok if she was, you know, and Kanye, obviously Kim would be fucking on top of her TikTok because she could easily post shit that would be wild. Be wild. So he should, he knows better and he knows that he can trust Kim, that she's going to put up silly songs and dances, but she's not about to fucking. Also, I think it's funny from the guy that had his daughter perform at his Paris Fashion Week show during COVID on camera is all the sudden concern with her doing like the renegade. But that's a thing, babe. It's like he just, the renegade, he just wants to paint Kim in a bad light, which is really, I mean, we see this in, you know, ugly divorce cases when parents try to do this to each other. But listen, I know that Kim. has been trying so hard

to like imagine how hard it is it's like okay if we look right now if we compare this for a second to Bravo right there's like the page and Craig yes be Chris and Cavalary Chris and Cavalary in this situation is Kim Kardashian who's like staying mom like you know she's fucking boiling yeah but like

she's not gonna come on and be like you guys I hooked up with Craig you know I was single what the fuck she's trying to play cool stay quiet think it'll pass Kim is like the queen of that it's like all this wild shit has happened And she's like, skims. New Lundrae.

Skims for Fendi. Meanwhile, Kanye's like on Twitter rants. So this, this was the straw that broke the camel's back. And Kim responded, she said, Kanye's constant attacks on me in interviews and on social media is actually

more hurtful than any TikTok. When did this happen? Oh, you didn't see this? It's like five minutes ago? Yeah. Oh, you didn't see this? No. Babe.

So listen up. As the parent who is the main provider. and caregiver for our children, I am doing my best to protect our daughter while also allowing her to express her creativity in the medium that she wishes with adult supervision because it brings her happiness. Divorce is difficult enough on our children and Kanye's obsession with trying to control and manipulate our situation so negatively and publicly is only causing further pain for all. From the beginning, I've wanted nothing but a healthy and supportive co-parenting relationship because it is what is best for our children. And it saddens me that Kanye

continues to make it impossible every step of the way. I wish to handle all matters regarding our children privately. And hopefully he can finally respond to the third attorney he has had in the last year to resolve any issues amicably. Boom. Mike drop. Motherfucker. I will say, I don't know why this is terrible. The first thing I took from that is like this impossible divorce. So we should this divorce should be called Kim possible. Because you feel like he'll never sign. It'll never stop. Like, I'm just, I'm just, like, wow.

Like, it's just really sad because we thought, I thought they were going to really, like, consciously un-couple, like, Gwyneth. But, like. Like, Gwyneth, or, I mean, Chloe, I feel like Chloe and Tristan have a better, you know, co-parenting situation. And listen, the thing is, like, Kim, I mean, I got goosebumps from reading that. And I posted this and I wanted to like me. my own pose because I freaking agreed with every word she said.

And I feel like everyone who can look at this, if you're a fan of Kim's, fan of Kanye's, if you look at objectively, like, this is actually what's happening. He's publicly trying to make her look like a bad parent. He's publicly trying to make his relationship be like, I don't know, fucking in the forefront. And the thing is, why is he trying to go against Kim? It's so childish. It also like, I just feel like, again, Kanye's brain. doesn't work in terms of like, you know, like, remember like PEMDOS, like the order of operations

for doing math and like that's how we all, if we're all communicating on PEMDOS, he's doing like some new math, ayahuasca bullshit. Like it just doesn't make it. Is that is, is that an excuse though? Is mental health an excuse? But it's just like I feel bad for him because his brain is only going to frustrate itself because it's like if you're saying, I don't have my phone till 22. But then you're going to post about her, but you post that's another thing, guys. All I want to do would take my children to school. Your children aren't at Lucian getting baby burkins. You actually got four babies, but you've given baby burkins.

And you didn't take North to school this morning. I hate getting in people's business of like, where are the kids? Yeah. Because people love doing that. It's like they'll see like Kim on vacation. It's like, where are the kids? But at the same time, like all he's, his thing lately has been like, I just want to take my kids to school.

And it's like, babe, you're legit in Miami. Then you hopped over to NYC. Like, fine, live your life. But Kim makes a very big point here to say, main provider and main caregiver. And he also goes out and complains about my kids are being raised by nannies, like blah, blah, blah. And it's like, wait, why? If not, can you be a stay-at-home dad? Like, are you going to raise the kids?

I think it all comes to an issue. And honestly, I kind of just had an epiphany about this. Like, there's a similarity in this action and also in the netball fight. It's control. when he always viewed her as like the muse that he could control. So I feel like it's not even about it's not about the nannies.

It's not about TikTok. It's about my permission. He said not on, he didn't say on TikTok. He said on TikTok without my permission. Consent. My will, like, I don't know.

It's, it's, I'm glad that Kim responded because the way she does things you have to give it to her is so eloquent, so on point. I feel like this was a mega mic drop and I feel like she's, like, no one watching this would disagree.

And, you know, obviously he could, it's not, again, he's not being an influencer being like, you guys, let me know in the comments below, like what you think. Like, he's just trying to paint that picture. You know what I mean? He could consult with whoever he wants to consult with IRA professionals, whatever the fact. But you know what? He's making this ugly for himself because, like I said before, maybe in a parallel universe, if he was happily co-parenting with Kim,

supporting her and not being like, like this, I could find a way to ship him in Julia Fox. I would be like, maybe that's hot. And that's why the only person I ship in their relationship is Julia Fox. Because she's literally, she just had a baby too. And she was actually arguing with her ex-husband or her estranged husband. But they're just like, chill. That whole side is chill.

And she owned it, by the way. I listened to her podcast, you guys, and you're welcome. I like literally summarize it where she was like, I did go off on baby daddy. she owned her shit. She said that they're in a better place now. Like, yeah, she's, because she is at the end of the day like a real person. She was, she even went on her podcast and she like, it's like, yeah, I'm dating Kanye. Yeah, this is crazy. Like she's talking. You're right. What you were saying. Like she's doing something nobody has done before. People always try to play it

cool. Play it quite. Be like, whips. She's like reposting page six. Like, who has ever what celebrity? Like, they would be secretly so excited. Exactly. They were proper. Brotseyed and on page six, but they wouldn't repost it where she's like, fuck this shit. Reposting, yeah, I could see that vibe. I think he needs to really, and I feel like we're going to see him apologize for this, just like he's apologized for Twitter rants and, and shit like that. The abortion comment. That's the thing.

Like, I was going to say that. It's so weird for me to repeat that, but it's like you're going to be against TikTok, but it's okay that you said that you wanted to abort North. Or he wanted to run for president. What, sir? no again happy that Kim address this and hopefully this will stop even though selfishly it's kind of entertaining but I really want them yeah I would I would like them to get it together because the thing is all I always worry because like their kids are like reading age now like

you know what I mean like Mason's a full ass probably 13 north is nine we know Mason's so sensitive like I'm sure he sent a text can be like Kimberly I am so sorry you were going through this or deal with Kanye, with Uncle Kanye. She's also not calling him, yay, she's calling Kanye. Did he did it first, P. Diddy, P. Diddy, Puff, the way, we've been down this road. It never works. We still call him puff daddy. I mean, that's why they probably stop being friends with Food God because he changed his name to food God. They don't like the official name.

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Another dude with maybe some issues. Nick Cannon, I want to talk to you about this. Usually, you know, we don't, I mean, no, it's just fucking wild. Like, we need to discuss. He's had, I literally did the math wrong, which is five baby mamas at this point. Five. Well, four active, five, including the one that's fun in the oven. Fun in the oven.

Seven living children. One on the way. One, unfortunately deceased. But. In December, December 5th, baby Zen passed away. so fucking sad. It seems like he probably got the current baby mama,

Brie, pregnant when Zen was still alive. Like, right? It must have been. Like, right at, like... No, it must have been because she's like pregnant and did a gender reveal. So in December, yeah, it must have been. And he, what it looks like happened is like Brie really wanted to do a gender reveal.

Nick Cannon was probably like, listen, like my baby just died. Maybe let's be respectful to my previous baby mama, Alyssa. So they waited a little bit. Yeah. Which is a month. month and a half. I feel like that's not like I mean

it's not enough time. It's not enough time and it's so awkward if you guys watch the gender reveal because I mean I'm not a body language expert but is Nick like if I had an eighth baby I wouldn't care about my gender reveal anymore I'd be like whatever it's like it's like it's like

each time you do it it's a little bit less important like we're not doing the full you know Mariah Princeton and what is the shit babe? Why isn't he putting on a condom like why I think so I've actually watched this I've had like discussions with many a friend about this I think probably from like baby four on

You realize there was a problem I was like I was like something's not right So I watched him actually going like Kevin Hart Has this show on the peacock where he goes And has wine with his friends They'll be like Mary J. Blige or other Is this like coffee with cars and coffee? Exactly but they just they just sit in like a wine cellar and get drunk

It's pretty cute I'm not the biggest Kevin Hart fan But he was talking about how he actually had talked to his therapist. And his therapist was like, we need to examine why you're doing this. And he basically said it's a very high level thing. Something along the lines of he can provide, he has a good amount of money. And he thinks it's his duty in the world to put as many kind of financially enabled black children on earth as possible. Like it's like in a high level sick way, like, okay, I understand if I have $80 million,

and I can give $8 million to each kid or whatever else. Cool. But I think he's missing the whole emotional component of... Wait, this is Kevin. No, this is Nick talking to Kevin about it because Kevin's like... Oh, Nick talked to Kevin about it. He mentioned, he brought it up. And he was just like, okay, but you're missing the whole component of like kids don't

just need money. They need like a present parent. And if you're spreading out seven kids... Wait, that's how he sees things like, like I can provide. for these children, financially. And he's like, he's like, he's like, because he says all these babies are intentional. Like he's trying to get, which is like even crazy.

Like he's trying to get each woman pregnant. Just like it's a weird. I think it's a weird high level like biblical must man must spread my seed thing where he thinks I guess his seed is primo, even though like, okay, homie, like you're hosting the mass thing are good for you. But like it's not like you're, I don't know. But there's a psychological issue going on there. And he just recently did an interview saying that I think he said, I had a problem.

I'm going to be celibate. But I don't think you need to be celibate. Like, as you said, just wear a condom. And also all these baby mamas, all these kids, I mean, it gets pretty confusing. Like, I couldn't even follow. Oh, I have a flowchart up on the left side of my screen right now. Give it to me, baby. I want the flowchart.

It goes Moroccan and Monroe with Mariah Carey, born in. Wait, they're the first baby? They're the first is Mariah Carey. Oh my God, at least Mariah got like the first, you know? Like, I feel like she wouldn't be anybody's, like, third baby mom. That's what I'm saying. Also, what do you? This all has the potential to affect the Mariah Carey Christmas train.

Because imagine, because imagine they're all at home, like, getting their, like, they're yearly 17 million from that track. And they got like, all, like, let's invite your brothers and sisters over. All these kids are now tangentially related to the Mariah Carey Christmas. Oh my God. What? Okay. So Mariah Carey, first two babies, twins. And then after the split from Carrie, he has Britney Bell and they have a son Golden in February 21st of 2017.

Then he has another child with Brittany Bell in December 2020 named Powerful Queen. That is a podcast in and of itself. So to recap, we have Morocco. We have Moroccan Monroe, Golden and Powerful Queen. We're at four. then we have Zion and Zillionaire spelled zillion space H-E-I-R

cool all right cool and so that's another set of twins that's June 14th 2021 so at this point we're in increments where he's clearly having sex with these people overlapping then we have June 3rd

wait wait these these babies were had a week apart so we have June 14th, he has a set of twins named Zion and Zillion, June 23rd, he has Zen. So Zen is the baby that unfortunately passed away in December. But Zen was born a week after the, the latest set of twins. With a different baby mama. Different baby mama.

This is now Alyssa Scott. So then we have Brie Tese, who basically, who's the latest baby mama who had the gender reveal, like a month and a half after Zen passed away. So now we have a total of five baby mamas, seven alive, one in the oven, one baby unfortunately passed away. So it is, and then we, so we have Moroccan Monroe, powerful queen, golden, Zion, zillion, zen. Wait, zillion air? I'm a gazillion there. Yes, yes, like zillions filled milling with a z, space, air, h. Dead. I'm dead. Also, so I'm not like a football person, but this Brie, who's a model, I think all of them are models.

He has a, he has a tight. Models. I don't know. I don't know if they're like Victoria's. This is tight. Oh, okay. Got up. She divorced Johnny Manziel quarterback in November 2021, had a divorce party, like legit a divorce party where she posts about on Instagram and everything. She also dated. J-Lo's ex, Casper Smart. So everything in Hollywood is related. It really is. But it just feels like, do you think these women want babies from a man like Nick Cannon? Because of, like, it's like the same thing, like the Drake hot sauce,

even though that's probably a made-up story. But do we think these women are down to have a baby with Nick? Because it's like, oh, the baby is going to be provided for us. Like, I don't care. I do. And honestly, like, it's hard for me to put myself into, or actually, no, it's not because I'm a gay man. But it's hard for me to put myself into the position of, like, a straight woman because, like, I cannot have a child. But I'm a huge Mariah Carey fan.

And if I can have a baby, it's going to both be financially taken care of and the chance to know I get to spend Christmas with Mariah. Let's do it. You mean, as these women, you think they're like, damn, like, it's kind of like the power of the pussy. like even with Pete Davidson it's like love Kim but girl you didn't do it first you know what I mean no exactly it's like it's like if you come to Nick Kinn it's like

okay like he's in a can but also like Mariah like had a baby with him and that's pretty cool but maybe it's too yeah maybe it's also like if I'm a woman and I'm like I like you know and we're like hitting my 30s and I want to have a kid maybe I don't necessarily want a partner but I want somebody who's going to be financially involved who cares I mean you guys you don't

understand how much easier like yes there's that meme that's like I love this mean because it's like somebody tweeted like money doesn't solve all your problems and then or like money can't like make you happy and somebody responded and was like bitch literally all of my problems could be solved by money. So having a baby like money makes it so much easier because you can have full time help get all the things you need to like if you want to be a good parent obviously they can still be good parents but you can afford a better life for your kids. you can afford full-time help, which I'm sure he's providing, you know what I mean. Exactly. Like, when you're a parent, like, when you sneeze, it costs money. Like, if you, like, calculate how much it's going to cost to, like, raise a child in, like,

New York or L.A., like, God bless you for having a child in New York City. Like, that's going to cost you lifetime, lifetime value a million bucks. Like, until they're four years old, you literally pay for school. Like, imagine all the shit. But I just wonder, like, is he handing out, like, does he have, like, a baby contract for each baby mama? Like, that's a lot of also things to, keep track of each kid and their school and they're this and they're that. So it's pretty,

pretty crazy. But anyway, so Nick Cannon is going to be celibate apparently. So do you think we're not going to see any more kids from him? No, I think much like continuing the theme, I think he will also flip like a steak. And I think we will see baby number nine. Do you think he's going to stay with three? Do we even know if he's with free? It's like he never stayed with any of these. No, I don't think that's the other thing. That was never even the point. I don't think the point has been to stay with anybody since the point is not a relationship you know what i mean no the point is not not a relationship at all okay another thing i want to discuss is celebrity big brother are you watching i am i'm i'm tertiary aware i'm aware through your through your social

media and through page six basically so it's just really like i feel like we should watch because like lamar is there and shana shana is there by the way you guys i keep on forgetting like do you know that it's not shana mokler it's shana mokler and I can't seem to rob my brain about it. I do because I watch their show on MTV. Meet the Barger's? I heard him trying to wake her up from that. Do you like her?

Hmm? Do you like her? No. Really? Un equivocal, no. No. I just think it's like, stop being so salty. It's like, it's not even like a Chloe and Lamar.

It's not even like any of the Kardashians and their exes. Like you broke up a decade ago. Why do you care? But I've, I've been hearing that she's being very pleasant on CBV. And the other thing, I don't even. even know if I like this, you guys, but Lamar is literally won't stop talking about Chloe in the house. And like, makes me want to watch, but also like, dude, this has been years ago. And Chloe is dealing with enough shit. She doesn't need her name being on. He literally said he hoped she would

like be there. Like he thought she might be there. Like, okay, this, what's happening? But you know what? It's, it's, I don't, I never want to say it's the like victim's fault. But I feel like she set this precedent of being so wildly and unrealistically caring for him like cheating on her constantly she she's covering it up she's they're already broken up she's like trying to have him go to therapy he ODs she goes and does all that stuff for him like I think he just lives in a world where like she's just his angel and when he really needs her like this magical thinking and also also because he's actually come through like an angel and done it she's been there. So I think he's still operating with this almost like child like Goonies.

Yeah, it is. And also, I mean, also understandably, like, imagine you had somebody who stuck with you through thick and thin like Chloe. Of course you're going to be forever indebted, forever obsessed. So it is cute. But it's also like knowing hell is Chloe going back. Like, I feel like she'd go back to as sad as it is. Like, I feel like she'd go back to Tristan before Lamar. Because Lamar, it's like, I feel like she already looks at him differently in terms of like, you know, she was on his deathbed from him fucking up. And she took care of him. But I feel like. like that kind of... There's no romance in that. There's no... Exactly. You're a dependent at this point. You're a dependent and the fact that he's like years later walking around. So it's also like, is there a world in which like...

Why is he mentioning Chloe's name so much at Big Brother? He just like arrived. I feel like would it come up in conversation? I was married to Chloe Kardashian, but it's coming up relentlessly. And the question is, is it kind of on purpose? Like, does he doing that to get in his screen? time or I also think mentally like that's the last time his life was good like when he fixed his on it like when they first got together he was like with the lakers and won a championship

like that's the last time his life was like actually like happy it's like oh he has this whole family they're buying a mansion together she's she's following him place to place because he can do that and like all of his demise is his is unfortunately and like shakespeareanly his own doing in terms of drugs and cheating and all that stuff So I think it's almost like she represents the last time his life was on the upswing. So true. And it's just like, you know. And also, I'm, I think he's had like brain damage from what happened to him.

So I don't even know if he's fully recovered from that or maybe stuck a little bit in, in that mind. Oh, I mean, I feel like, yeah, if you're like, if you like, didn't he like, but I need him for a couple minutes. Yeah, he died. I need him and Shana to talk shit. Not talk shit. need him and Shana to like just share experiences and and so like I want to watch you guys

it's just like I have to catch up on so much other shit since okay so another thing I've been thinking and I wanted to see what you thought about it is like okay so Kylie has been MIA on social media pretty much since the Astro World tragedy but

she's every time she's contracted to post it out like Valentine's Day collection this collection my store is now opening in Germany or whatever the fuck and it's like a video from four and a half months ago

it's all like thrice filtered and I'm like this is what pisses me off about celebs in general that come on to boop promote their product is like if you want us to buy our products like we need to see you

more like you can't just come but they can I guess I'm wrong because like they can they come on they boop and then the people buy it or whatever the fuck And it's like, Kylie, you're literally not here.

We've seen none of you. We know nothing. You're not influencing us to wear anything, buy anything. But then you come on and you're like, my product is now available. It's a weird thing to me. But what I'm wondering is when Caitlin first spilled the beans that Kylie was pregnant, Kyle was like, fuck, I have to confirm this. She posted the baby video.

And then she was, she came to New York. Do you remember there was like a fashion week going on? She had the full cats, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was showing us her pregnancy. So do you think if Astro World didn't happen, the tragedy that happened there where people lost their fucking lives because of how crazy it was? Because she's kind of stayed quiet since then. Do you think we would have continued to see her pregnancy journey and she would have been more open with us and maybe even we would be?

100%. I think it's a one to punch. And I also think probably if I'm a publicist, I'm thinking the like the dichotomy of like children died at this event and you are with child. like I think she's protecting herself because I mean the internet is full of like scuzz buckets and I think because she's associated with him and she's carrying his baby and she has his baby and literally people's children died at that thing the amount of vitroial and hate she would get

from posting anything where she is visibly pregnant for at least a year after or whatever it was going to be crazy think about the fact that she has 304 million people following her if like one in every 100,000 hates her. You know what I mean? Like 100, one in a hundred.

I don't know whether it's like a tenth, tenth of a tenth of a percent. You're going to get thousands. You're getting thousands of death threats or horrible things said to you per post. And I feel like for her, it's like I'd rather have like a slight dip in Kylie cosmetic sales and not deal with this stress while I'm carrying my child than like, you know, because I feel like the opposite of that is like an Erica Jane who's like, suck my balls when like all this shit is happening and we saw what happened to her. People did not enjoy that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah. But I know you're, that's why I was

thinking. I feel like it's something that's not said because like it's not like she was quiet about this pregnancy at the beginning. Like she was at the other like she she was wearing the cat suits. You know, she was putting baby bums. And and now it's like we don't know if the baby's born. We don't know if the baby's not born. Which like I feel like yes. Can I spiral about it? Yes. But The baby's going to be born eventually, if not yesterday, then tomorrow. And we're going to know about it. So let's stop space. It also might be maybe be a secret for the Hulu show.

Because, I mean, I mean, you know, there's got to be something for us here. And I feel like the Hulu show is just a continuation of the E show. And I'm like, oh, maybe. I love it at the beginning. I thought I was like, what is it going to be? What content are they created? And like, it's literally the same exact thing. The Kardashians.

I know it's like, you just drop the key. Oh, wait. It's called the Kardashians. I didn't even. realize that. It just says the Kardashians. Oh, that's so, look, I can't, if I go back and think about it, I was like, I hope they don't do like

a Kylie and Thermi cooking show. Like, I was like just spinning about things they could, because they were like, I think the, the Hulu announcement is like, the Kardashians are going to create content for Hulu. Anyway, Hulu is killing it lately. So many shows on Hulu,

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