Not Skinny But Not Fat - Katie Maloney on Pen15, Paris Hilton, oh and VPR, doy

Episode Date: September 22, 2020

3rd time's ice cream! Katie Maloney is back on the pod for the 3rd time & this time we don't only talk VPR, but also Bachelor (stalker Colton), my new fave show (thx to her) Pen15, and the Paris Hilton documentary. We also discuss the future of Vanderpump Rules, if she misses filming, what her and Tom are up to, why the LVP restaurants are closed and how she dealt with the Stassi & Kristen scandal. Katie also shares about her new podcast and a recent friendship reconciliation!    Produced by Dear Media  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat and I'm your host, Amanda, bringing you the latest in all celebrity gossip, reality TV recaps and anything happening in Hollywood right now that I just can't keep my mouth shut about. This is Not Skinny but Not Fat. Okay, my girl, Katie, third time is ice cream. Do they say that in English? What? Ice cream. There's a saying in Hebrew that's like third times ice cream.

Oh, like third times a charm. Okay. That makes more sense. I've never heard ice cream. That's cute, though. Katie Maloney Schwartz is on the podcast for the third time. Can you believe? Can you believe?

I know. It took us a whole. year and a half to do it the second time and now here we are. Here we are. So the first time, I want to reminisce. The first time was when you were so sweet because I was binging VPR super late and I think you guys, oh, it was when season seven was about to come out and I was like talking to you about season four. I was like, so remember and you went with it? You were like talking to me about shit that was so old. And I was like so. And I was so. And I was so. And I was so into it. I was living it. And you, and I was like, so sorry, I'm on season four, but let's

discuss as if it's happening in real time. Yeah, no, it was fun. I liked reminisce too. I feel like season four was a pretty big season, too. I think that was when I got engaged. Oh, maybe something else happened. So good times. It was good times. And then the second time you came on is when we were waiting for season, the much anticipated season seven, because it was the first one I was going to watch live and it was a really big deal. And I want to just start with something that I read right before we started that you said something that made me sad. Like you in the interview to entertainment tonight said like that you felt while watching the show that it felt final to you. Did it not to you? Did like at the end when they had the,

our like theme song like all slowed down and everyone's like leaving and going like their separate ways. It was just so ominous and felt so final and sad. Like, I cried. I was like, this is like, this feels so final. Like, oh, my God. I was like, there's no way I can be the only one, right? But this is even before, like, the scandal happened and we don't know what's going on. So why would it even feel that way? Do you know what I mean? What do you mean? What scandal? Like with Stasi and Kristen getting fired, the last episode aired before. Yeah. Why would it feel final. Like, why would they even do that? I don't know. I don't think it was on, like, I think it was just like my perceiving of it. Yeah, but think about this. You know how on Roney

at the end of each season, they do like, Derinda move downtown. Like, Tinsley got engaged. Like, they always wrap it up and they write like the little snippets of where they are today. And then they have more seasons. Yeah, they don't do that with our show. I feel like, but I feel like it was just a different type of ending because I mentioned also that normally it ends and it's like comes full circle and Lisa's talking about how you know at the end of the day we're all one big family and we fight and we make up and everything you know yeah so I don't know it just it just had like a overall different feel but that was just me being in my feelings probably it felt like a different season kind of too in general for sure oh yeah for sure there was you know

49 people. Wait, you know what I was thinking before? I was like, is Katie, can you talk shit about anyone? Because you made up with James. You're too cool with everyone. Can I talk shit about anyone? It's like my favorite thing to do. It's like...

No, but we used to like be able to talk shit about James. Now you're like BFF with him. No, I'm not BFF. No, but it's, okay, it's my like shit talking. he's, like, pretty innocent. It's just like, oh, my God, this person's so annoying to me right now. Like, one of those things. People need to know about a few things about Katie that people don't know.

A, she loves celebrity gossip. Correct. And loves, like, the shit. She loves it. I feel like people wouldn't know that about you because you seem very like, like you have, like, eclectic taste in music and you like smoke weed. But, like, she loves stupid shit. She, like, loves Justin Bieber.

Like, don't be mistaken. Oh, I am not above any of that. Are you kidding? It's like, it's like crack. I want to say that like I don't read it all or know it all. And some things I don't read. There are some things, it's not everything pop culture that I love. Like, don't ask me anything about The Bachelor because I don't know.

Like, there might be something that I'll like, I'll find interesting. So I might like research a little bit. But I don't really know who like anyone is in the last few years. I for sure talk to you about like Tyler. Cameron. Yeah, but that was, see, that was something that was like, okay. Because he was with Gigi. Yeah, exactly.

So it was like there was some crossover. There was more interest in it for me to like do a little digging and research. But I don't watch like Bachelor in Paradise. I don't like watch the show anymore. I haven't since. Oh. What? Who was it probably?

The last one I remember really watching was like when Caitlin Bristow was the Bachelorette. I love how you call a Bristow. I'm dying right now. What is her? How do you say I was saying? Bristow? Bristow. Bristow? Whatever. Bristow. Bristow. But yeah, I don't know. I don't. I like I used to love The Bachelor, but now it just feels like people just want to go on to become like an Instagram influencer. Did you see the drama with Colton and Cassie? I've seen like there's some kind of restraining order.

Basically through you. I'm learning about this. I know, I'm like, waiting for you to say it. I'm like, give the credit, Katie. Give the credit where credit is due. She's like, I research. I Google. I'm like, hello. Meaning when I research.

It's like, I'm, okay, research is Instagram. No, I found, I, I had to jog my memory and think about where I'm seeing this stuff. Yeah, the, the Cassie and Colton. Yeah, remember you met them? Where did you see them and you like, sent me the picture? It was like the VMAs. Yeah, it was the VMAs last summer. Yeah. So crazy. They were sitting at our table. I didn't really talk to them.

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Wednesday. It's all for you, baby. Thanks for listening. Love you, mean it. So first of all, I want to just tell people about the casting golden thing. Not that I told you so, but like kind of because I used to make fun of how like obsessive. I was, like, obsessive. is about her. I mean, it's, it's hard to make the joke, but, like, he lost his virginity to her probably. And, like, I don't know. Don't have sex with a virgin. Like, I don't know. Like, look what happened. She broke up with him. Tracking device on her car. How did she find it? How do you find if you have a tracking device on your car? Like, how do you know? She looked for it because he did really weird shit. Like, I literally read the restraining order and, like, zoomed in on Instagram, screenshot it, like, went, went into far lengths. And, And he did crazy shit. He used alias phones to text her that he's, like, that he knows where she is. Like, I know that you went to Kalin's house or, like, say hi to your fam for me. Like weird shit, but from different numbers.

And more than that, babe, he then texted her from him saying that the same thing was, like, happening to him weird things. But then he had admitted, slash they found out that it was actually him, that he put a tracking device in her car. He was seen outside her window at 2 a.m. like obsessive shit. That's terrifying. So she got her restraining order, I think, like confirmed or whatever you call it. But you should watch this upcoming season

because I feel like it's going to be Savage AF, like with Claire. Yeah, I'll be curious just to find out what it is. I mean, supposedly it's because she fell in love with the one dude who was like a football player or something. What's his name? I think model. Dale.

Dale. I thought it was like a football player or something. And then the new bachelorette comes in. So I would just be curious because that's something we haven't seen before. Right. But also how do you fall in love with somebody within like two weeks like that? I mean, I guess when you know, you know, but like under those kind of conditions, I can't imagine that, you know, we'll see.

But I heard that Claire, because you were saying that you hated how they all became like thirsty and gross and the whole franchise is like go on to get famous and like get followers. but, well, when Ashley, I was on my podcast and she said that Claire is like not that type of person, like, she's actually one of the few that like doesn't care about Instagram followers. So it kind of made sense to me that she would like, come on, be like, oh, I'm into this guy. Do you get what I mean? And if she did it that way, then it's like, oh, okay. She's not new to the franchise. She knows that like it's like you got, it's not like she went into this and was like, I could, I could not expect to feel this.

It's like, you've already been through this. Like, you know what it is. You come in. There's how many dudes you start narrowing them down and sending them home until you get down, you know, like you got to do. She didn't even give anyone a chance. So I don't, I mean, be there for the right reasons for sure. But also, I just don't, I'm not quite getting her dilemma of like, well, I fell in love and now I got to go. It's like, you knew the score.

You knew the game. Like, you knew how to play. So. You knew the score. Gora, you knew that, I love Katie's little, like, say, you knew the score. I don't know. I meant to say, you know, how the game is played. Yeah.

Something about a scoreboard that was going to be in, I don't know, I'm a, I feel like out of it today. No, don't say that. Wait, A, you're drinking Coke Zero and, like, I don't want to, like, don't add us. Like, I wish I could switch my computer camera, so you see that I have, like, three things of cans of them. And we also both drink them out of cans. Yeah. Was there any other way to drink it? Unless it comes out of a fountain.

Well, you can buy a bottle, babe. No. You buy like a two-liter bottle. No, this, there's something really, it's more crispy this way. I know. Dude, I buy the, like, fucking cans. And don't add us again.

We know it's not good for you. Coke zero is fine. It's better for you than Coke. It's better for you than Diet Coke. Really? Yeah. But it has, like, aspartame, and it's like, and it's like, and I'm good.

No, I don't, I think that, well, yeah, it does have aspartame, but you know what? Listen, choose your, you know vices or whatever. Exactly. I'm not perfect. I used to like smoke cigarettes with Coke zero. Okay. I used to like pour a fucking glass and like be like puff it on up. So sometimes I sometimes I mix vodka in that. So like what's you going to do about it? What with some like lemon and lime? No, vodka like grosses me out. Do you, are you drinking at all right now?

I'm not. I'm so lame. Oh my God. So not. Just because you're just. I'll tell you why. Just because you're just. busy. Not about the breastfeeding. Like I don't like I think you can do it. A lot of people told me like the rules. I haven't looked into them. The pump and dump. Well, no. People actually said like if you can drive, you can breastfeed.

Like if you're not drunk A.F. Basically, but you're like tipsy, then apparently you can like so many people said this to me. But I'm not in that head space. I don't know. I don't. Listen, like if I have to think about a hangover right now when I have to like feed this baby 24-7, I can't fucking deal with a headache or

you know, not being a hondo. Like, you're not a hondo anyway. So imagine you go out drinking or like whatever and you wake up not good and drowsier than you are. And I'm just not, I don't know. I can agree with that. Or I see that because, yeah, I will get vicious hangovers that

will last the whole day that are pretty immobilizing. But I still would be like, oh, no, but I just don't know how like you haven't been able have just like just a margarita or a glass of wine and and like I took a taste of the margarita and it was when you don't drink for so because imagine how long it is it's like nine months you know it's like a very long time not to drink so then I took a sip of like my husband's margarita and it was like so sour I was like I know I'm so but I have been I mean he's been forcing us to go out like every Friday to like a restaurant and even that I'm not into because listen

And getting dressed is not as fun when you, like, don't fit into your shit, you know, not as fun to, like, prepare bottles and fucking pump just to go out to dinner. So all that shit makes you want to be like, eh, I won't go out. So he is forcing us at least to do that. But, yeah, I haven't been drinking. And flashback to our first podcast together that I remember we did at 2 p.m. I have a good memory. And I, like, made a margarita.

I was like, we're going to drink. And I remember you said, like, I think it was like the first line of the podcast. So I was like, so I'm in a margarina. And you were, oh, and also I was mad more annoying. Like, anyone listening, listen back. It was one of my first and I was so excited probably that I was like screaming more than now, if you can imagine. And like just so much.

I was more than now, it was a lot. And I made a margarita. And I was like, aren't you drinking in me? And you're like, it's 11 a.m. here. Like, what's wrong with you? Yeah, it was definitely. Which, you know what? Like, I have been known to get.

the drink on, you know, earlier than most people probably would. If you've seen the show, that's obvious, but not, not every day. And I probably had like 10 other things to do that day afterwards. It's tempting, but then my whole day's gone. I know. I was like, so I'm drinking alone then. Okay. So I want to talk about what you've been up to.

For real. Yeah, like traveling the world. No, most importantly, Katie started a podcast. and we're podcast sisters now because we're in the same network. And I'm so excited for you. Thanks. Your voice is like, probably you're getting this a lot now that you started the podcast. You have a very soothing voice.

Well, thank you. Unlike me. Yours is like a very like, I feel like are people telling you that a lot now that you started a podcast? Yeah, I've, I've heard that for a lot. a long time actually on the phone. People would always talk about how I had a really nice, just relaxing voice. And then definitely since the podcast started, that's been a major feedback that I've gotten, which is not bad because it's better than vocal fry. Yeah, I get that, which I don't have that. So whoever commented that or wrote that, it's not true. Look it up on

YouTube. It's not what I have. It's a different thing. No, you do not have vocal fry. But thank you. But yeah, no, it's been fun and challenging and a big learning curve because I wanted to launch it like forever ago. I mean, I started conceptualizing and wanting to do a podcast back in like August of last year, like a full year ago. And that didn't happen. And then when I met with Dear Media and we're like, let's do this, then shortly after is when the whole COVID quarantine all went down. So it was like, what do I do now? I'm going to like have to learn how to do this at home on my own. I already had a recorder, but I had no, no clue how it worked.

It just, it was so much more intimidating to me to have to like through that process because I was like, okay, I want a producer. I need someone to make sure that like record is being hit and that I don't fuck this up. So then it was just going to push back more and it just kept getting push back, push back. So I was sitting on this idea and on a bunch of episodes. episodes I recorded for months. And I was just like, are people going to like this? Do I like this? I think it's, I think I like it's pretty good. But I will do that. I will psych myself out. And I'll like, like, obsess over things having to be perfect. I'm such a perfectionist. And I just like, I just like don't want to fail at anything. And that's often why I don't execute things all the way because I will psych myself out. But I'm the opposite. I do things and I do them half fast. So then they're not so good. That's like what I do. I'm like, if it gets good, it's good. If it's not good, it's not good.

That's how I do things. And sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't. And I wish I had that more. I wish I was just like, fuck it, just do it. And I, you know, I think I need to be less fearful of those things. But you know, but you did it. But yeah, but when people have been hyper critical of you for years, it's like you can't help, like, have that creep into your psyche, I guess. I never got why people were hyper critical of you.

I still don't get it. I mean, I feel like you get it less now, but there was that one season where, like, you were being called a bully. Yeah. Listen. And it's so weird to me. Like, I'm like, when was she a fucking bully?

When she, when the James thing, like, that's what you're going to call her a bully. Like, it was just such a weird thing to me. I feel like someone says it or someone will say it on the show and then people will, like, fucking run with it. And I'm just like, do you, have you ever experienced or witnessed true bullying? Because this is not it.

Like, when someone has repeatedly, called you fat and told you you need to lose some fucking weight and you respond in an appropriate way or like maybe even just like a like I've had enough like fuck you way that ain't bowling that's like not taking shit that's like standing up for yourself yeah I just I think I because I have like a no bullshit kind of mentality in the approach to things and the way I deliver things sometimes can be like harsh I guess or just like really brass but yeah rash Brass. Brash. Brass. Brass? Yeah. And harsh. Fine. Harsh. I can understand why I can be like a turn off to people. But I don't think it's bullying. It's just. It's not. And you called the podcast. You're going to love me. Yeah. I love that. I told you. Because I was just thinking about my experience and how I just feel like people don't really know me. They know me from the show. They've seen me interact with my boyfriend, with you.

my friends, with, you know, people. So it's like, it's fair to say that, like, you do know who I am from the show. But every part of me and how my mind works and my process of things and why I say and do the things. I don't think you often see, like, my process of it at all. So you don't often know where I'm coming from. You're just seeing me react in a way. Yeah. And I think we got more of you. Like, when I think of when we really got to know you more was when you were going through stuff with Tom when you really wanted to get engaged and like the ring on the string

I feel like then we were like feeling you like oh my God like ring on the whole thing Tom just like thinking of the times you cried and shit but I feel like later in the seasons where it became kind of I mean the show became a little different and it was like these little drama and then like kind of a lot because of the 47 cast members

it became like you know more of like let's talk about this drama and then we can't really like get to know you or like what you're going through and like how layered you are you know yeah but i think everyone is is layered and it's and so the the podcast became about coming from my own experience and then also thinking about how we just do everyone and how we don't really know anyone whether there's Whether there's somebody you watch on Housewives or Kardashians or Bachelor or whatever, reality TV show you watch, or even if it's a political figure or just a public figure, like an Instagram influencer, you always have a perception or an opinion of who you think

this person is and maybe you like them and maybe you hate them. But like you don't know them until you really, you know, sit down and peel back the layers. And I've definitely made snap judgments of people like, hello, Lala. I was just like, oh, she's a homewrecker. I don't want anything to do with her. She sucks. Like, no thank you. And then when we finally sat down and we were, you know, talking about Utah, both being

from Utah, finding out that we're a lot more similar than we thought. And maybe that was why we clashed so hard. Then it was like, I related to her. And we had things in common. And I was just like, damn, like, I really love this girl. And so that's where like the you're going to love me where it's like, it's not so much me, but about everyone. Yeah.

So I just want to challenge people's opinions. And I'm not saying that we're not going to judge people. We're not going to talk shit because that's... And I was like getting sad over here. It's, you know, it's a fun sport. But we have to be able to, like, be objective. Yeah. So is that the show?

It's like every time, like, when you talk with the guests, you're trying to like peel back the layers and get to know them and shit. For sure. Yeah. I want to find out things I can't Google or even if it's someone I know, like, things I didn't know about them. And I always think it's so fascinating to find out what people like in high school because that's such a time in your life right such a such a time when you're like

into weird things like you know who are your friends what did you want to be when you grew up like what like did you have boyfriends girlfriends or were you like no thanks um were you goth in high school no i i definitely hit like an emo stride a scene sure thing like towards the end of high school but it was funny one of my speaking about like podcasts one of my mean podcast uh reviews was like this girl sounds like she peaked in high school and i just want to say to that person that i did not i did not be in high school like i'm way more peaking post high school like no one like i wasn't i don't i didn't even hook up with anyone in my high school like no one really was that into me oh oh i know no i don't know why they're dumb i was still cute

I don't know what the fuck was wrong with them. But definitely didn't peak in high school. But yeah, you're right. That's really interesting. That's really. So you're going to love me. It's on dear media. I feel like it's getting really good.

Like, people are liking it. I thank God. So no more fear. No more fear for you. No, once it was out there and I saw people responding to it and really enjoying it, I was like, oh, thank God. Just because I feel like I was just sitting on it for so long and just. Yeah, it was a while.

Anticipating. And I don't like anticipating. I, like, it stresses me out so much. My cortisol was through the roof. But yeah, I'm enjoying it. I mean, it's hard. I feel like I listen to some episodes. I'm like, oh, that was just not my best.

But it's, it's, I have to get. It really does take time. I know I sound like annoying. But like I told you, like I listened to my episode, the first with you. And I'm like, oh my God, stop. Oh my God, stop. Like I was like, I was like, and I feel like you do, it is like a skill kind of. As much as people think it's easy to just podcast or interview, it's not.

And you get better over time. And I'm sure you're good and. getting better and better. So who would be your, like, dream guest? Oh, I definitely talked about this before in my, in an interview I just did recently. But I think Chrissy Teagan would be really fun. I feel like we know a lot about her, but I just want to selfishly just. So you're a Stan, you're a Chrissy, you're a C.T. Stan. It's for sure. Like, I love. I love her. She's kind of annoying me lately. Well, I'm sorry. You feel that way. Who isn't annoying me lately?

everyone no everyone annoys me too but um no i just i don't know i think she's funny i think she's fun i've i've met her a couple times and i've always really enjoyed yeah you probably could get her on like use your i don't know if she like does podcast i don't think i don't think i've ever heard her on one but that would be fun or obviously like riana would be dope oh dude i love the manifestation here you're like queen of england someone i really would be interested in talking to just because with the whole theme of my would be someone like Monica Lewinsky, man, what she went through publicly in front of the entire world when she was like 22 has got to be insanity. But, you know, like, yeah, obviously she knew he was married. But when you're 22 and the most powerful man in the world is

telling you, you know, that he thinks you're pretty or that he likes you or that he's in love with you. Yeah. What the fuck? Like, you're not old enough. Your frontal lobes haven't even formed at that age. So like your decision making is not there. So I just would like really be interested in talking to her. Also like times have changed, you know, like today would have been so different. Like people wouldn't have villainized her probably as much as back then. You know what I mean? Like watch scandal. Have you watched scandal? Oh, okay. I just watched binge the entire seven seasons. And I'm so sad it's over. Wait, did you hear that there was like rumors of. of Tony, the guy that plays, uh, fits and Carrie Washington having like a full on

like affair. Yeah. No. I don't. Yeah. I mean, and people, people, uh, well, challenge and say, like, no, like, I worked with them. That wasn't true. And it's like, well, do you think I would have been like that in front of you? Like, right. But people have like seen them in grocery stores, like, low key shopping in like random cities like or whatever. But, but, you think I would have been like that in whatever. But like when I read that, I was just like, damn, I could totally see that because they had insane chemistry. But you know what they say? They say that like if you have like bad chemistry, they say it's like opposite. You know how in working moms like they have bad chemistry and they're actually married in real life? Yeah, but I think that they're just,

they're just not sexual. I don't know. I don't necessarily agree with that. I could see that but also I feel like when people just have like bad chemistry, they have bad chemistry. They have bad chemistry and I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, scandal's fucking awesome. And Olivia Pope now every time like someone does something fucked up, I'm like, I want to go. Olivia Pope on their ass. I'm going to like. I love how you're like also late to this like 10 years like I am to everything. Yeah, but then you get it all at once. Yeah. And then that's what I'm saying. So, okay, wait, I want to wait till we talk about Penn 15 that you made me watch. But I don't want to watch it all at once. Like, I need, that's why it took me two years to finish fucking Vanderpump.

Like, I can't. But I wanted to ask you just because we're talking about sexual things. Like, why on Vanderpump rules? Like, was it like a running joke that you would always make fun of sex stuff, like that you weren't giving Tom, like, was it just like, I'm going to go with this? Yeah. Well, because everyone, it became just like a topic of conversation with people to be like, oh, you want to stuff. It's like, are Tom and I the most sexual people? No, but do we have sex? Yes, absolutely. Like, there's, you know, what do you call it? We've had droughts here and there for sure. But it's like when you're, we've been together for 10 years. Like, yeah. Are you kidding? But yeah, no, we just started like making the joke too and being in on it a little

bit. Yeah. You weren't. You get into it. I don't even like, I will say though, if you don't use it, you lose it because like Tom and I definitely went through a drought recently. And then we like, you know, started making it for a last time and I'm just, we're both just like laughing at how bad we were. No way. Really? Yeah. I mean, we've like,

we've gotten our mojo back, but like we both were like, this is so awkward. It's so crazy. We didn't know like how I, I like had forgot. I had forgot how to like. No, Katie, stop.

I swear to God. It's so weird because when I think about myself when I was younger or like, even when I met my husband, I was like, you know, you're, you like, you're so sexual and you're like trying to show that you're like, whatever. And then you think about yourself now and you're like, you finish sex, you go clean up. You're like, ew, wash my hands. Then I was like, like, look at me. Like, it's all, I don't know.

It's just such a difference. That was me like enjoying the, the semen. Oh. Back in the day. Gross. What? No. Why, you never swallowed it?

Ew. Never in your life? no i think it's disgusting that i think it's disgusting now then i was like i love you so much i would swim inside of you like literally go elsewhere like go to the bathroom like don't don't even but that's what's just so yeah i mean people need to know that it yeah you definitely get lazier with things you know it's just like you're like laying there you're like well i'm kind of into the show right now yeah and then like you know tom would go to sleep before i would go to sleep it was just like like our schedules weren't but definitely one person

needs to be i feel like a little bit more of an aggressor yeah because then you can both like lose it like when my husband will like come on to me in my head if he heard the thoughts they were like oh my god not now oh no i just took a shower okay what are you doing you know this whole thing and then when it starts you're like oh this is fun like yeah this is enjoyable why am i so against Yeah, why don't I do this more often? Right. Well, we, Tom and I put those words right out there. We're like, we should do this more often.

It's just, but it's just hard because it's just like you get into like your routines of it. And then it like when you're, and I'm sorry, scheduling is not sexy. There's nothing great about like, I don't know. Yeah. Be like, tonight's the night. People do that. Not in on TV. Yeah.

That's like a real thing. Everyone's like, you have to like make time. Like you like basically have to schedule. And I'm just like, that sounds really depressing. I'd rather just like not. Unless you're like trying for a baby and then you can make it more of a thing. Yeah, that's very different though. But sexy time.

Yeah. Oh my God. That's so weird. Anyway, I did want to talk about Penn 15 because Katie, this time you told you like it. Like I didn't even know what it. You were trying to schedule for a podcast and you said like something that you were having to do with. 1015, a virtual thing. I'm going to watch some new episodes tonight.

But yeah, I was surprised. I was shocked that you hadn't seen it because it just was. Can I ask you if it's about like planes? Like I literally had no idea to even like a show. Like I was like pen fit. It sounds like a show about like 9-11 or like I really didn't. Do you remember in middle school? That was like the biggest thing when people were like Penn-15.

That's what my friend told me. I was in Israel. So I asked her, I missed that. like, don't you know that they, and she told me and I was like, oh, no, I missed it. Dang. Okay. So everyone knows, everyone in the world knows that. Yeah.

The pen 15 is penis. Everyone knows. Yeah. I mean, maybe not kids these days, but like millennials, that's, yes. Would I have a question. At the beginning of the show, do they say when it is? Because I feel like it really lines up with our exact age. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I feel like, because they're so what? Like in middle school, school, junior high school, seventh, eighth grade and it's definitely like 90s yeah like no one has a cell phone right it feels like it aligns exactly with our time and i think that's why i can't remember if they said at the beginning what year it was but thank you for the recommendation it also for people listening and and whatever the first two episodes i was like what the fuck like it took me a minute but then i was like like i'm gonna i finished it And I think I'm going to watch it again before Friday.

I watched, yeah, last week because I was so excited. I was just like, I'm going to just rewatch all of this first season. But I think, so did everything else line, even though you were in Israel, was like the episode, the aim episode. Oh, my God. It was so. The aim episode. The way you play with your friends, with the dances. And it was just the phone and like your mom getting on the line.

The whole everything was just like. genius. Like you're just jealous of their genius of these two amazing comedians that wrote the show and are in it. And our best friends in real life. But I also love that. Like they're playing like themselves

as you know 13 year olds when they're you know, 30 something. But Ellie. I know. And then all the other characters are actual 12, 13, maybe 14 years. But I love how they approach that because then you're like, how are you going to kiss?

and then they make it work, you know? Yeah. But you forget, like, Sam, like, I'm literally, like, I ship Sam and Maya. Like, I want, you just, like, legit, for people that don't, go watch it on Hulu. I feel like I was, like, screaming it just because it was so good and so smart. And if you're approximately our age, like, in your early 30s, it'll just be, like, what your life was. When you found out that other girls were wearing thongs and you were like, that is the most scandalous thing ever. When she got her period, Katie, I was legit. Like, that's how I was

when I got my period. I was like, no. Like, I was so upset. Yeah. Like, I was so upset that people, even though the masturbation video, I didn't really, uh, but that was a lit, but I was cracking up. She is a, she, she, I want, like, I'm obsessed with her. I started following her. Maya, uh, what a fucking, thank you for, for telling me to watch it. I'm obsessed. And it's coming back this week. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm so excited.

I'm already, like, scared for that to end. Do you go how I am? That's how I am, too. I get so depressed because I'll sit and binge something and it becomes like a part of your life. It's part of my dreams. It's part of like every waking thought. I'm just like thinking about the characters and just obsessing.

And then it's just over. And then it's over and they take it away. Like, never end, please. Have you watched Outlander? No. See, that's another? I don't know if it's your genre, but it's like... Is it a show to watch with, like, my husband?

Sounds like a boy show. No, it's actually more... It's like a history sort of drama show. So this woman, she in Scotland, travels back in time. So she's in, like, the 1950s, and she travels back to, like, the 1750s. And, like, meets a guy.

And, I mean, it's just... It's, like, soap opera-e. In a good way. But, like, that has that, like sort of drama to it. There's a lot of sex in it. But it is just such a good show. And you get so wrapped up into it because it's like they don't draw out

storylines like in Game of Thrones for like three years. There's the same storyline that you're forgetting. I didn't watch Game of Thrones. That makes me weird. So it's like it's not hard to follow. Like they like wrap things up really quickly. But it's just like, oh, like you just, it's just so like lustful and amazing. Maybe I'll do it then because your recommendation was good.

And we both, well, you told me like when we scheduled for the podcast, you were like, so we'll watch Paris Hilton before. And I was like, oh, okay, I didn't know about that either. So I watched it because of you today. Yes. What did you think? She's so sad. I know.

It makes me sad. But one, like, not critique, but one thing I don't understand is so she's, she's talking about how she's like been in on this joke or that she's been playing a character. But she doesn't really explained, like, what, why she decided to do that, what the, I don't, I don't understand that. I'm just like, are you just saying that because, like, you don't want to be, like, come across or people to think of you as some like ditsy blonde chick you know yeah i don't i didn't that didn't quite resonate with me it just you're right because she brought it up a lot

and it was funny when not funny but when she was talking to the girls that she went to one of those schools with they were like it was so funny on the simple life when you said you never cleaned before and we were like basically you know slaves there so you know how to clean so a it also made me feel the simple life was all a lie and I really liked the simple life. So it made me a little sad for a moment. Well, I, I think even in the simple life, they, they definitely played things up and they played into things. That's not what I mean. But for her talking about how she wasn't herself at all, period. Like, she didn't use her real voice. I'm like, your voice sounds exactly the same. I don't know. No, it doesn't, babe, when her voice is so deep. Which I heard, I feel like

on the simple life, that was what her voice sounded like. Nicole, right, true. She would be like Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, because you don't always talk in the baby voice and she's like, you know, that's hot. Like that's not. Right, right. But still, I just, I don't know. I didn't understand that whole. That whole part of it. Part of it. It was a little, you're right. Because I think, first of all, it was kind of marketed as like her abuse story. But then you kind of only really get to that at the end. Yeah. But in general, I. just feel really sad for these celebrities. Like, I feel like people really need to get that being a celebrity is literally, I mean, it's being that kind of celebrity, they're so sad. They're so damaged, so many of them. And it's just, you look at her and she's like, she wants to make a billion dollars. Like, she's not going to stop.

Like, she's so lonely. It just made me, I feel like every time she talked in an interview, she was like, like on the verge of tears. You know what I mean? Well, yeah, because she was. But she heard talking about not being able to trust anyone and having to put spy cameras up because her new boyfriend was going to be coming around and she wanted to like make sure she knew what was going on.

And it just makes me really sad. And even Nikki saying that, you know, there's just like, she's just surrounded by yes people that. Nikki seems to have it together. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Like with her, what are they called? like ballet slipper shoot she's very like a classy politician's wife she's very stepfordy

yeah but i like i could tell which i i i i didn't have a nose job i could tell yeah she doesn't have veneers i could tell so it's like a different kind of money that they have it's like an old money where like they're not all botox and fillered up they're not like they're not fancy in the way that we see like, you know. They're not flashy, but they're just classy. Yeah. Yeah. But then Kathy kind of fooled me because I feel like I don't know a lot of the story.

A lot of people were like, duh, she's a monster. So at first in her interviews, I was like, oh, like had that same feeling. And then at the end, I was like, you're a monster. Like when Harris told her and she was just like, oh, she goes, I had an idea. Yeah, a solitary confinement. I mean, when, I feel like when you get to that point of like, sending your kid to that kind of school where you're like in the wilderness and you're doing manual labor and you're like abused essentially. I mean like you're bad. I mean,

I don't think those schools should exist anyway. But it's just like for parents, like just because they like she wanted to go party. Just I don't think that meant the punishment didn't meet the crime and taking her out of her bed in the middle of the night. Like she was being abducted is insane. And that will that alone will fuck someone up. Yeah. That's what she's saying. I mean, if you guys should watch a documentary, but basically she's very, very traumatized by going to these, what do they call them?

Like, correctional schools? What do they call these fucking places? I don't exactly know, like, I don't know what the term is. It's not like a boot camp. It's not a boarding school. It's like a military school almost. No, it's legit insane. And like, when you think of that family and how much money they have

and how many resources they have, like, to think that they had to. sent her off. Again, you guys should watch the documentary, but she's been through some shit and parents need to understand that like, I mean, how could you not think about the ramifications for your kids in life? Like, I don't know. Well, it sounded like Paris was saying that they were more concerned with their reputation. So they weren't thinking about long term how it could affect her. They were just like, we need a fix thing now. Like we need to get her out of here. Yeah. And then she came back, though, what this is what has.

happens, right? She came back and she, that's when the sex tape happened and that's when she became, you know, Paris Hilton. But she is, first of all, I hope that she's getting treatment because I don't know if it sounded like she's in therapy or like she should be. Like, I don't know if it sounded like she's, you know, taking care of herself. But getting a peek into like that kind of celebrity life is insane. Like these people that travel 250 days out of the year. too. Yeah, that's what's nuts. It's just how she's just gone and being, that probably also has to take a good toll on you too. Like the insomnia probably has a lot of to do with that as well as being in different time zones every day. And then her, how she got into that argument with her boyfriend right before she was playing the, was at Tomorrowland. Yeah. And basically rips off his artist wristband and sends him away. And has security like rip him away? That's intense And she was like

And all of a sudden Like that other side of Paris comes out Like we were saying She has those two voices But it was like dude That's really not okay I don't know There was a moment where it was like

Kind of I was like can we laugh about this And then she goes on stage And is a DJ Which I'm like That's kind of cool Like being a DJ At a fucking festival

Yeah She has the same exact body She had 20 years ago Like the same exact She still wears like the low-rise, like, I don't know, juicy velour suits. But I couldn't get past kind of like the Britney Spears hair extension situation. Oh, yeah.

Why doesn't she get better hair done? I don't know if it's like her natural hair that is what makes it look weird. I don't know. I don't know if it was just like her texture with the whatever hair she's using. I'm over here trying to like be a professional. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. It just, when they don't blend properly or the fact that she wears it straight and it's so you can really see the like demarcation of like where her hair is and where the extensions are.

It's very weird that it wasn't more. Yeah. It was weird. But her face is legit like perfect. I don't know what she's getting done. But it's very, very. I don't know. Yeah.

She looks great. She does look really good. Yeah. And then when she was talking about how like maybe wanting kids but didn't. Yeah. I mean, I did. It was kind of very somber. throughout the whole thing of just being like,

this girl has everything. She has money. She has fame. Not what you would think of is everything. She has everything but like what really would matter. Yeah. It's so true. Yeah.

Like you're not jealous at the end of it. Let's put it like that. You're not like I want to be Paris Hilton. You're actually like for me, it would give me anxiety to even think about being in her situation. It seems very lonely. And the thing is, that even though it seems like at a moment that she kind of knows that,

she then says, I'm not going to stop until I make a billion dollars. And it's kind of like pathetic almost. Like then maybe add that to the list of what you need to go to therapy about because you see that's what life, that life's not about that. And you see that you're not happy and you've made all this money and have all this money. So maybe that shouldn't be your goal.

Well, because life is happening right now. And she's focusing on the, you know, fantasy or the she's not present at all. And that's that's very apparent throughout the whole thing. It's just like she's very not present in any moment. I feel like. That's why she's kind of,

that's why she's kind of spastic at times and it's like running around last minute. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like she needs to, as cliche and like gross as this is, I feel like she needs to find like love and someone to like, Because I feel like Justin Bieber really got better once, like, HB came in his life.

Yeah. And, like, it looks like he's balanced out. It looks like he got cleaned up. He just, I feel like she needs, like, someone to balance her out. Yeah. No, I could totally say it. But I think she's just concerned with, like, being able to trust people. And it's like, does she date someone that's, like, an equal to her?

Does she date someone that's like just very normal? Right. She said that. That's what she said. No, she needs to date someone equal to her. She can't date a fucking DJ, you know, making a shackle. Like she needs to date like a wealthy, you know, businessman or something. I don't know. She needs to get on it. Really. I agree. But it was good. But it was, it was a lot. They also did that animation, which I hate when they do. I feel like that was kind of not. They didn't understand that. I'm not going to lie. It took me out of. bit of it. But okay, well, so I wanted you guys to all know that Katie's not only a reality star, but she's also a pop culture connoisseur. I'm not as good as you, though. I'm not. I'm more of

like, like, you are very good at like reporting and like going the extra mile where I'm just better at consuming. Well, yeah. No one expects you to report. All of a sudden you were like so um no but i and again like katie's podcast everyone listen to it but you know we have to like talk a little bit about random from proles like what so what do you think what do you think's what can you tell us about what you think is going to happen what do you hope is going to happen whatever you can say also like i feel like all of you should just be like fuck you bravo and say fucking everything who cares anymore like all hell breaks those no no um yeah there's Like, there's not much to say because there's not much going on.

You know, I mean, normally we film in the summer and we would have wrapped by a month ago, you know. So it's kind of crazy. But, you know, with COVID and quarantine and just public health and safety being of the most concern, we haven't been able to film our show because, you know, our show's not, it's a, we film everywhere. We're filming in restaurants. We film at Tom Tom, at Sir. Yeah, we're at our houses, but like we're... Like, you couldn't be in a bubble like other shows. I mean, I don't know.

I don't know. I feel like possibly, but who knows? But I think... Unless I did like a big brother thing in each of your houses. Does anyone want to watch that? Just kidding. I'm just kidding. Jackson, Brittany, you and Tom, yeah.

No, so I think, I don't know. I mean, all I know is. because we don't like listen we find out a lot of stuff like when everyone else does truthfully I haven't heard or read our scene that it's canceled right or that it is so that's a good sign I guess but I think I don't know I have no idea so you think even putting the Stasi and Kristen scandal aside you think you would the show would be in the same situation because of COVID yeah yeah I think So it's not because of that.

That's, I mean, listen, I don't work up propo and I don't want to get in trouble for being like, yeah, totally. But in my, from where I'm sitting, it doesn't appear that that was because of it. You know, I think it's always just been because we haven't, we've been in lockdown, basically, or lockdown adjacent. So I think, yeah, that's, it's just been like when it's safe to. And just now really, please people are going back. to filming, you know.

Yeah, well, I saw like New Jersey Housewives are filming. Yeah, I saw that too. I wonder how other shows are doing it, you know, because you're right. Because like The Bachelor, okay, they could put everyone in a bubble. But New Jersey Housewives, I wonder how they're doing it. Isn't Dallas and Orange County also? I don't know. I haven't kept up with that.

But I think, I think right now it's just kind of like, okay, how do we film a show that people still want to watch in the world that we're living in? Yeah, and especially that it's based on restaurants and the restaurants are, are they open or closed? They're still closed. They're still closed? Really? They're so closed? Really? Yeah. Tom Tom and Pump have been closed.

But it's allowed to have outside seating. So why aren't they doing that? I don't know. I don't know if it's because, you know, it can be expensive to open. And, you know, even if outdoor seating, it still has to be limited. committed and spread out. So it's just, I don't know, I don't know if it makes sense or who knows, maybe they'll open up next week.

I'm, I am the wrong person to be asking about that, but, um, but are you guys like stressing? Are you, are you already thinking about like, okay, plan B if the show doesn't come back? Like, I don't want to think about like the, you know, that right now because I still feel like pretty hopeful. But yeah, I just, I'm a restless because I would love to get back. and film the show and it's you know it's been what i've done for you know the last almost decades so of course it's something i miss and i'm like dying to do again really does do you think everyone

feels that way yeah i mean everyone that i've talked to is is like really anxious to get back to it but um and how would it how how how has the you know the scandal kind of affected you more just like as a friend on that personal level you know it's it's really difficult because I know a lot of people want me to come out and say like oh yeah fuck her I'm not going to be friends with her Kristen like no that's not the case they're you know my exhausting I've been best friends for decade Kristen and I recently reconciled you know like these are people that I have known for years and years and I'm really close to the situation and everything that's gone down so it's like I can't

look at it the way everyone else does. I understand what's happening in the world. I can read the room. I know what the temperature is outside. I get it. And I'm not mad at anyone that wants to feel that way. You know, Kristen, they're holding themselves accountable. They're doing the work that they need to do to educate themselves and, you know, grow as individuals.

Would you have them on your podcast to talk about everything? Maybe eventually. I don't know if, I don't know if that right now is the right time. I think they both want to, you know, go at their own pace and when they're ready. And, you know, I think right now it's just about taking, you know, step away and doing the, like, the work that we're all doing to learn and grow and change as individuals. I mean, you are and were very, very active with BLM and you really did like amazing, amazing work on your social media platform and everything. but tell me about the reconciliation that you kind of said so quickly we reconciled you and Kristen yeah I mean when when this when the news came out that Kristen was not you know and Stasi weren't

coming back I just like my heart like sank and I just was like oh my God I immediately thought about like putting myself in that position and how I would feel and like you know I just wanted to be there for emotional support because it's, you know, it's big. It's big. Like we've been, they've been on the show since the beginning and they've been a massive integral part of it. So, so yeah, it's kind of like when that happened, I was just like, you know what, our bullshit aside, like she needs me just to like check in on her and, you know, sit in silence or hang out or do something, you know, just, just to be supportive as a friend. So, yeah.

And it's, and I didn't know, like, if it would last. But it has? Or how long, you know. Yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah. I see her. Well, she's doing, like, she has a boyfriend that you like to now, right?

So maybe it has to do with that, too, that's not with Carter anymore now. I mean, everyone wants to say, like, it had everything to do with Carter. And, like, even though it was, that was a part of it, it was more representative of, like, the issues. we had. It wasn't because it wasn't like, oh, if you're going to be with this guy, I'm not going to be your fucking friend. That was that was not it. It was just about how she was wanting to play two sides of the coin all the time. She wanted to like come over and talk about how sad and upset and unhappy she was and how she knew she needed to make a change, but then

not do anything about it. And then, you know, tell me that it's none of my business, but make it my business. It's the only reason I know any of this stuff is because you told me. But maybe he also was actually bringing out not the best side of her and maybe her not being with him is making it you know cooler like is making her more of an enjoyable person to be around yeah she's she's very much more enjoyable to be around and just it has it's just feels lighter oh good you know and he's he's good to her and i've yeah i've known him for like i don't know what you think like marriage material years i don't know i mean i think i could see it i think it's still like i mean they've been together, not even a year so, but I don't, not that that means anything. But I think,

I don't know, I could probably see it. And what about all the baby fever going on on Vanderpump? Is everyone annoying you now? Tell me about it. No. Actually, it's, it's really fun to hang out with pregnant girls because they love to eat. You know? Wait, did they not before? Well, like, before. Well, Lala, I don't know. Sassio was talking about food and like ranch and shit. Yeah, but like now it's like, let's get dessert and do you guys want to share an appetizer? And I'm like, yes. But no drinking, but no drinking. Well, yeah, but I also drink less because it's like sometimes sometimes I don't want to be the only like.

Yeah, I feel that's when we were talking about drinking before. I think what I realize is that I can have fun not drinking and it's weird too because you're like, wait, going out, it always has to come with the drink. And when you're like, wait, I have the same exact fun just eating. This is insane. But, yeah, I had a feeling from the beginning that when, you know, one of you would get pregnant would kind of be like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I know that this summer would be the summer that Tom and I were going to start to like get to work on it. I mean, still got to happen when it happened. Yeah. Try to be as like, you know, exact in your timing as possible. But still, you're not always going to get it right. What do you mean exactly in your timing? Meaning like when you're like, okay, like these are the days this month.

Oh. Yeah. Sometimes it just could be off by like even hours. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I forget how it was. Right. There's like the app and then you know when you're ovulating.

And then, right, it could. There's like that day. I use the flow app, FLO. Yeah. And then I use that one too. And then there's the one day where it's like the day. But I actually think. think that if I check when I got pregnant, it was in that day. I think it was like two days before. Right. It was like two days before or something. I've, I've tried it. I've tried the three days, two days, one day. Oh, I'm J. Listen, it just, you have to be chill and have it happen when it happened and know that when it comes it's supposed to be because when it comes, it comes, babe. And then you have that baby. And then you are a new, then it's real.

But, but that's crazy. I feel like it'll be so fun to see all of you as mommies. I know, I'm so excited. Sahti's like, like, she's got big belly now. I know. Big bump. I don't want to call it belly. She's got a big bump now.

It's like she's just, she's like, she's like, she's so, like, it feels like January she's due. It feels so far away still. It's like January. So you're saying she has a big bump, but it's like she still has so long to go. But it's like beginning. of January. So it could even happen end of December, you know, so. Yeah. But it's gone by so, it is gone by so fast that I feel like it's going to be here before we even realize. And she feeling good? Yeah. She is doing good. She, she, I think she had a really good pregnancy. They don't, she didn't get like, she didn't get like, morning sickness. You know, she's, you know, she's still pregnant. She's still like, well, I sometimes get tired. Yeah. And you're like, don't complain, bitch. There's so much more. I, I, I always. said when I was pregnant, like knock on wood, watch the Amy Schumer documentary. You'll never

complain a day in your life. Like some people have it really, really rough. So, so she should be really grateful. I was always like out loud grateful. I was like, this is great. Like having the baby is so much harder. Just tell her that all the time. Being pregnant is like nothing. I could be pregnant. It's really not bad. It's really, I mean, again, I know a lot of people have different experiences. But for those that don't have, you know, harsh symptoms and then just know that having a human around is harder than having a big belly. What is hard? Is it just everything rolled into one that's hard? Or is it like just like the lack of sleep? I think it's a lack of sleep because every like obviously being with him is so fun and there's such enjoyable moments and I am

enjoying it. Like I love being with him and taking him outside and and it's a whole different life though. I think that maybe not sleep. I think they're not sleep because I read somewhere where it said like doing this would be so easy on eight hours of sleep. Yeah. I get to it. I feel like I'm, I am, I can function pretty damn well on about four hours of sleep. You think that, babe. It's when I get too much, it's when I get too much sleep. Yeah. That's when I'm really screwed because I'm groggy and lethargic all damn day. I think it's more like that it's not consecutive sleep that you'll get like the four hours or the six hours, but it'll be like two and then you're up and then two and then you're up. But it's just a whole new world that is like amazing. But it's also, but it's also different, you know?

Like even being here with you for an hour now, I'm like, oh my God, I have a baby. I just like forgot for a minute. He's somewhere and like is he, you know, be, yeah. And you have to feed him before and you have to make sure he's okay and change them. And then when you change them, they have to eat again. Then they poop one or change it. It's just like it's all the time like and it doesn't stop for one second. but but women are amazing and we can do it fucking all let me tell you hell yeah duh

duh like i didn't know i didn't i didn't i didn't i always think that i always think that i'm like weak and i can't do it and i'm this and then i'm like i didn't did that i fucking i'm amazing hell yeah i love that you're going to love me you guys check out katie's new podcast you're going to love me i already love you thank you for coming back again and and being on with your new little cute haircut that I tried to copy, but kind of failed. You look good. No, I'm happy.

I have fun. I always have fun when I'm talking to you, but thank you. Thank you, babe. I loved seeing you. Let me know how the virtual penis goes. Oh, my God. Penn 15. Yeah.

I'll let you know. I'm really excited. I know. And now we can experience this season together. Yay. There we go. There we go. So, everyone, listen to Katie's podcast.

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