Not Skinny But Not Fat - KATIE MALONEY ON THE FUTURE OF VPR

Episode Date: July 2, 2024

Katie Maloney is back to chat all things Vanderpump Rules! We discuss where she stands with Lala, thoughts on Schwartz’s new girlfriend, if she’s currently dating, how she felt about Scheana’s recent shade and more!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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June 27th. Watch My Lady Jane now on Prime Video. Welcome back to the Not Skinny But Not Fat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch. And I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Okay, you guys, Katie Maloney is here.

My girl, my girl, Katie. Hi. Music kills Kate. It's been so long. I'll never change it. I know. You look great. You just think, no, shut the fuck up.

Seriously, my face is taking over the Zoom screen. You just had a baby. You have that, like, you have that new mom glow. Like, you look great. I just, I have that I'm on my period and have been barfing all morning. No, first of all, your skin is in creed right now. Well, I use the Zoom. And I use the Zoom thing too, okay?

Everybody does, but it looks extra good. Wait, am I using it? Let's see. I mean, my skin is having a moment right now. I will say that. It is, it is looking good, though. It really is looking good. I went back for Botox.

I haven't had Botox. I was going to say, I was going to say, scrunch that forehead for me for a second. No, it ain't scrunching. No, that forehead is smooth, like a baby's bottom. Wait, where else do you get Botox? Just forehead and 11? I got it a little bit here because for the first time in my life, when I smile, I'm getting lines there. And I think it's cute.

Wait, you didn't get them here before. I feel like they tell you to do the three, like forehead 11s and here. I didn't because before they would go too, I had it once before and they went a little too far down. And when I smiled, it like was making my smile do that. So I freaked me out. And I was like, you know, I don't even really have anything there. So let's just like not touch it. But now I do.

And so I was like, let's just do like three units each side, very minimal because I still want to like have movement in my eyes and be able to smile and have my eyes, you know, have that smile in them. I want to still age and look good as I age But like slow it down just a little bit Just a little bit I'm down with that Yeah do anything else for your skin and stuff I've been I dust it off my red light therapy mask Because I'm like oh I should probably

Does that shit work? Like I don't want to show off you guys I get sent the really like good ones Okay have the good stuff Did I ever use them? No, you have to be consistent with them And then what is it? do it will help with with the lines but you have to be consistent but the thing is you only need a couple minutes a day and you need to take the pick you need to like post a story in the mask

I mean otherwise did it did you do it I don't know but the thing is I really truly have always felt when it comes to skincare less is more do the stuff that like Koreans are doing because they're really great at it and then you know if there is like so how do you know they're doing you following you're following along tic talk okay right right i forget that i'm such a g-ma when it comes to like yeah so i mean at the end of the night i do like a double cleanse because i wear you know sun screen or sbf and that will like really get into your pore so it's just like keeping your face clean but not overcomplicating it with a bunch of stuff every i think i feel like maybe once a week i might do like a multi multi several steps skincare skincare but other than that i'll just

like wash my face and put moisture on it. And those eyebrows, you leaned into like the dark heavy brow I feel like a couple years ago. I've always had dark heavy brows. Look at my baby pictures.

I had a unibrow. Like I was just, except for when I over tweezed them to the point that they were like little. Wait, this is your brows right now without anything on them? I have not. I got a microbladed like four or five years ago

and haven't got a touch up. Stop. So right now this is them with four. four to five years ago being microbladed. Yeah. Damn. Yeah, I know it's crazy, but it's home.

Wait, if we look at Katie, like, you poured a beer in my head, Katie. Those were your brows then? Yeah, I mean, I definitely, so right here, they just don't grow in as, like, full as they do over here. And then there was, like, some, like, slight bits of patchiness or maybe, like, on the tail and they didn't come out as much. So we didn't do a full thing on them. It was just in the spots where they were like, there wasn't as much like symmetry maybe or I would take a brow pencil too

is basically what we did. So it wasn't like I got a full, you know, thing on them. And did you ever do filler? Face filler? Like whatever filler, yeah. Oh, lip filler, yeah, yeah. Oh, lip filler you do? Because you had full lips before.

I haven't done it in, it one to maybe a year and a half again i don't know it's not something i do like i keep up with every six months i know some people do but it's kind of like i don't know i like it's it hurts the girl the girl i had i did have it done her name's lee and she's in what is it westwood or brentwood she's amazing at it shout out lee yeah i know she she does this thing where she'll like she has these like ice globe things that they keep in the freezer and she'll hold it on and hold it on and hold it on and then she'll take it off and right when she takes it off she like sticks the needle in so rather than using the numbing cream which like I don't care how long you

leave it on for that shit never really works she'll just use like ice do you know that Kylie Jenner in the Kardashian said she's on a journey of removing her lip filler no sorry let me get this right she's on a journey of removing half of her lip filler and people thought it was funny I mean this was the only part that was funny that she called it like a journey People call it everything a journey now, you know? Like hair journey, whatever journey. Yeah.

And like not sure it's a journey to dissolve half of the lip filler. But people are dissolving. I feel like there is like a trend of dissolve of dissolving. Yeah. I mean, I think for people that are like extremely overfilled and overpuffed and like puffy face for sure, I think it ages you because you have to like there's no more. And it puffs you. There's when do we want to be puffed?

I know. There's nowhere for you to go, but more. I think, you know, I think, I don't know. I never, like, got filler, like, on my cheeks or anywhere else just in my lips. Just for, like, I, because, so what I got in my accident, because I had, like, scar tissue on the side. So I lost. Wait, you do see that less now. I feel like in the last few years. Is that because of the filler? Yeah. I use, I use it to, like, give my lips more volume on that side. of my face, mostly. I mean, aesthetically, yeah, like, why not, like, get a little juz going on? But, like, it was mostly because I feel like my, this side of my face, like, sort of like, mm. So it helped plump it up and give it a little more volume and more lift. If people forgot, Katie legit fell through, like, a glass ceiling or something, a glass

skylight. Is it skylight? I mean, skylight. So fucking, such a random scary accident. But thank God you're okay You know what I was thinking about you Before we started the pod Because we were texting

And like What? Because we were literally texting Okay Because no I was thinking about like How many years I've known you And like

The fact that you know I from the beginning Have been watching Vanderpump roles You know I love it You know I'm such a fan of the show As a show And like I say what I think about it And like

I love how like you know That I'm always going to, like, be loyal to you and I'll never turn on you. But you also let me have my opinions. I want to, like, tell the people this. And you're never like, no, you're wrong about this or like, don't think that or like, no, Lala said this. Like, and I was like, that's so nice of you because I have a lot of opinions and a lot of times people do slide in. They're like, no, that's not true. And I'm not talking about like random followers. I'm talking about people that are either involved or, you know, no stuff.

And I feel like Katie doesn't, you don't do that. You're like, let me have my own opinions. You're never like, like seldom. Like you'll correct me or you'll be like, no, no, no, this is what happened. But, and I was like, I appreciate that. Like, I appreciate that you, you don't get, like, upset with me if I don't agree with, like, not something that you're even doing, like a general fight you're a part of. I don't know.

Or if I'm like, oh, Schwartz is being cute. you're even when you were not good with him you're not like don't fucking you know you never had that with me and i just appreciate that about you well thank you i mean i guess contrary to what a lot of people think i don't need everyone that i'm friends with to hate everyone i hate or be mad at everyone that i'm mad at i mean it's it's a very it's always very nuanced and it's impossible to like you know and i can't make everyone feel the way i feel just because i do and you know obviously when you're watching the show you're seeing a you know a pared down version of what happened and it and it's just moments and minutes of it all and like for what reason to try to like

you know go on some kind of campaign to win people over i don't need to do that i know also like you can be my friend and have opinions and like other people and it doesn't affect that so yeah you really you really don't do that though some people can't do that are you referring to anybody in particular. I'm referring to a lot of people. Just, you know, some people just can't do that. Yeah.

No, you definitely have that restraint. Though you do like to like randomly comment on random Bravo page things, you love doing that. It's fun, you know, because I sometimes just want to participate like the rest of y'all. Like, it's fun to like be in the common section

and be like, oh my God. Some of you are living in the common section. I don't even, I lost the meaning of that, by the way, in the reunion. I was like, wait, am I following? What does it mean? What does it mean to live in the common section that you're like reading stuff a lot? It means that you take on the opinions and that you let like the opinions of other people, whether they're accurate or not of, you know, become the reality of the situation when maybe you should probably know better. Oh, that's what that means.

I thought that meant like reading stuff about you. Both. Yeah. that is that is that's yeah it's it's it's it's living in the comment section of like what's being said about you what's being said about situations everything out and taking on those opinions and like taking them to heart and not remembering that like these are opinions of people that maybe you don't know or that don't know the reality that but is that what la meant when she said at the reunion when she was like a lot of your living in the comment section

is that what she meant yeah and i think she also she meant that and also that i think She felt like we were all being, like, influenced by, you know, Ariana's, like, popularity. Oh, okay. I'm getting it now. I'm so glad that I asked you. Okay. Now I get it. And it's like everyone's, like, obsessed with Ariana, all the fans.

So if you're living in the common section, you're, like, trying to do what would appease the fans. Yeah, which was not it. Which was not it. No. How is it going? with Lala now? Are you, is there any resolve after the reunion? Nothing. I haven't spoke to her since the reunion. That's sad, Katie. I mean, yeah, it's, I didn't see that coming. We had, even after the season, even after like the way the season went. Yeah. Yeah. I know she, she did bring up that we had a

falling out. We had a falling out six months before the season, which we had. No, but on this season, she had, you guys had like. Yeah. The energy was and wasn't good. And we had come, we, again, I think she thinks because when you don't see it, it didn't happen. But we resolved, we talked about things in San Francisco. We had a moment on the bow that was much longer than what you saw. I mean, there was plenty of resolve.

I mean, sometimes it just, it just takes a little time to get fully back on track with someone. I think, you know, her and our lives are in, like, slightly different places. And sometimes it just means that, like, you're not. meeting on the same page and i don't know i just i felt like obviously obviously she had been harboring certain feelings and thinking certain things that i didn't know she had felt and so she was saving them for the reunion which i didn't feel like was super authentic i know that's as somebody that's on a show i guess that's one thing but i don't know to sit there and be called a of an authentic person or fake but meanwhile i'm sitting next to somebody who

I thought I knew and knew very well and was open and honest with me but had been feeling a certain way about me for a very long time. That was shucking. So I don't know. Do you think you could forgive her for, I mean,

because what she did at the reunion? No. Right. Once you violate my trust like that, it's very hard to come back from. That is, trust is like the most important thing to me. And when you try to manipulate me with that

and use it against me and say like, we talked about these things. things. Yes, we talked in private. Like, and those weren't the kind of conversations that were, that were meant for camera. Like, not everything is. The way you're talking about it means I should also, what, like, read my diary? Like, I'm allowed to have, like, some kind of privacy and talk about emotions with people. Like, I do with my mom. I do with other friends. You know, like, you were one of those people just because you also happen to be on the show. Like, you know, like, I have plenty of those

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How blindsided were you, even though that word, that word is almost as overused as, you know, fucking other words, what, like toxic and narcissists? How blindsided were you when she did that at the reunion and put you on the spot and said, you talked to me about Ariana and you were upset that. She wasn't there. Like, how shocked were you that this was being brought up, like, on TV? I mean, I don't know if, like, shocked is the word.

But it's just kind of like, I was just like, wow, I was just gross. I was icked out. It wasn't, like, shocking because it's just like, okay, well, you could have also brought this up literally any time last season. Like, at any moment, like, when I said, say, with your whole chat, you know, she could, she could have said, like, why don't you bring up what you, the conversations you've had earlier? Would that be, would that be less upsetting if it was brought up during the reunion, during the season and not the reunion?

Or would it be the same? It would have been a hell of a lot more relevant. I half expected her to do that. But I thought like, okay, well, maybe she just is being like respectful of like that being a private conversation. And I also had the last thing I remember her talking to her about. She goes, hey, did you, were you able to talk to Ariana? Did you guys get things sorted?

I was like, yes. Like, we're on a, we're on a great path at this point. She goes, good. As long as you feel good, I feel good. So I felt like that's why she didn't bring it up Because I'd let her know That like everything was good to go So it was yeah

It was surprising that she brought it up Because it just felt like it was such like a tactic And because because it was valid Because she had you know Jeremiah on a phone call with us To verify you know Such kind of conversations and things like that What do you mean?

Jeremiah is a producer? Well yeah because there was there was She brought up like three instances She brought up her and I is like private conversations. She brought up our falling out from like a year and a half prior where I called her a clown, which was way out of context. And then she brought up a conversation that we had on the phone with our producer, Jeremiah. These were, I felt like these were the three instances. She brought up an attempt to make me look bad. Do you think it stems from her kind of getting a lot

of heat during the season? Would you say at that? Living in the comments section? I don't know anymore what that means. But do you think, because she got a lot of heat during the season, I was trying to be, well, you know that I like Lala, but also like I was trying to understand, I think that it's human nature to be a little jelly. You know what I mean? I mean, I'm not even, I'm not faulting anybody for it.

We were all jealous. I was like, damn. I feel like you don't. Well, the thing about you, I was thinking about this before our interview, because I'm prepared, is that. you have a way of being able to not be jelly and to be around people that are having a real moment. Like, you were there, you were the closest with Stasi in the world

when Stasi was having her huge moments, you know? When it was like Stasi, you know, it was like the most famous Vanderpump cast member. You were her ride or die then. Like, you were never closer. You know what I mean? So I feel like you do have a way of like, being there for a person who's shining and not it not hurting you like your is that like confidence like

where how to where does that stem from that it doesn't affect you like other people because i'm i'm you know i'm genuinely very happy for them and i think you know what's good for them is good for all of us at the end of the day but also like i don't know i mean i think admitting that like you can be jealous but also very happy and have it not negatively affect your opinion or how you're going to you know operate in your friendship with them like i think it's just being just fully honest with yourself and everything that's happening around you and just accepting it like it wasn't jealous in the sense of like why is it happening to her it's just like damn that must feel really good i would love to know what that feels like shit like that kind of like yeah that must be cool

but also like i don't know i also just we want different things we have that's what I was going to say. I think that you want different things. Yeah, like I, like, I wasn't jealous of Dancing with the Stars. I was jealous because like, wow, like, what an amazing opportunity. I don't, I wouldn't want to do Dancing with the Stars because I'm, this is not my thing, you know, but like I would love an opportunity like that, you know, that's similar to that. I don't know what it, I don't know what that is or what that looks like, but, you know, it's just, I think it's just like the, the aspect of of opportunity and that kind of thing.

But I don't know. I feel like that's a wasted energy to be jealous of your friends when you could just be championing them. I don't know. Well, doesn't Tinks has this one line that I like that is like comparison as this thief of joy.

And it really is. Once you start comparing, stop yourself because it's going to do no good. It's going to do no good for anybody involved. I just, yeah, I feel like that isn't the kind of energy and the type of manifestation that you want to start inviting into your life because I think you should start that what a way to start visualizing that for yourself having it be so close to you just be like wow if I just start visualizing something like that for myself how quickly

that could come to me but were you able to understand a little bit because the rationalization with Lala that I kind of made sense for myself was like she had this huge thing happener with Randall, you know, it's not the same. I'm not comparing. But she didn't get opportunities. She didn't get the love of the people. I mean, people like were like, oh, Randall's gross, but nobody was like, Lala, come here. Like, we love you. You're, you know. So none of that, not even half of it, not even a third happened to her from something that she sees as, you know, very similar. So that's why I was like, I can understand her struggle like jealousy aside just being like wait I had this happen where were everyone where were the fans where were the opportunities where was like so like can you see that

a little bit oh fully and I've talked to her about this of course when we spoke about just like how crazy the whole you know public response was to it all in the media surrounding and we're just like damn like this is on nuts and you know and then we just were talking about how it can be so hard putting so much of your life and intimate moments and things that you know

you deal with on a TV show like that and her thing with Randall and her the public response to her was like you should have known how could you have not known and like you lose them how you get them and that is just right and that's so difficult

when you're dealing with something that is already difficult to have to have that be the response you know but she didn't ask for that in the same way Ariana didn't ask for this response. So it's like, you can't, you can't be upset with her about it.

You can't be upset with anyone truly about it. It's just, it fucking sucks is what it is. Like, you know, I, I mean, you never got that much sympathy. Listen to me, I didn't get a whole lot of sympathy. My sympathy was, oh, you should have left him sooner. Right. So everyone kind of gets, or like, you know, Schwartz has his charming moment so people forget. And really, did you, so when I interviewed him, I feel like I had a really good

point in that he has this Scott Dissick thing where we like forget that he's fucked up, you know what I mean? People are like, oh, Scott, Scott. And we're like, wait, we hate Tristan for you know, being cheating and gross. But like, here Scott did all this shit

and we're like, we forget about it. And I feel like Schwartz also has that where he like got off the hook and people kind of don't associate him with the behavior that he exhibited. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I think it comes down to how likable a person is outside of, like, their relationship.

Like, Tom, outside of our relationship was a much, it was a very likable person. I, me and Lala are way more polarizing people, you know, like we, we are not very digestible, like, opinionated or I've had like, very, you know, hard moments for people that they didn't understand things. Lala's had her moments on the show. for people to sympathize with us wasn't the easiest thing. With Ariana, on the other hand, like, she's always been on the show, like, somebody that people, like, really have truly rooted for. You know, she's, she's been extremely, like, even keeled and just been, like, that girl. So when this happened to her, it was just, like, immediately people were, like, on her side. It just, you know, no, not one person was like, mm.

But how does that make you feel, Katie, like you're so true to yourself and you own who you are that you're able to say about yourself, like, I'm polarizing. It's not easy to digest me or root for me. And how does that, like, feel to say that? Like, you're, it feels like you completely are okay with that. I'm not, I don't give, okay, I don't really give a fuck. I'm not for everybody. And not everybody's not for me. And I think that's one of the lessons you learn in life is like, I'm, I, I'm not going to twist myself into knots trying to make people like me, try to appease every single person around there, like the people that get me are the people that get me and those are my people. And that's more than fine. But like, it's just a simple fact that like for whatever

reason and people might not even know it, they're just not going to drive with me. And vice versa to other people. So it's just like, I think for everybody, just for them to realize people pleasers out there, it doesn't matter what you do. Like, not everybody's going to like you. So I don't know. I think that's just something. If you could just like really just relax into that mindset it's really really nice yeah no i love the way that that you put that i really did let's talk a little bit about this season other stuff that happened you hooked up with the lady did you ever come out as by like on the show no i feel like other you did never did right no i never have period i don't i don't really identify in any which way sort of i don't know

just was she wasn't the first girl no or was she no no no she wasn't the first girl no and was that for realties because it was giving a little like show vibes like the Schwartz and you I know it's it it definitely comes across that way but it no it was it was it was I mean we didn't spend a lot of time especially on the show like kind of working through that story of it all it was because it didn't last very long I mean, like, I don't think any of us were, like, really trying to, like, seriously date in that. It was, we were, I think we were just, like, all having, like, fun and getting snow people. I wasn't really trying to seriously date anybody last year. Is she your type, like, in the woman land?

I mean, I don't have a type in, I mean, I don't want to say in general, but, I mean, she's, like, obviously very attractive. So, I like, hot people. I like hot people. Hot people are my type. how people are your type you were on fire wait when you said you weren't into dating seriously has has your vibe shifted

yeah oh yeah which is why I'm not dating period right now oh my god I just had flashback to satchel oh great I said his name right yay what were you what were you

norm what were you saying before I don't fucking because I knew about him from before I was on the show and I would talk to you about him and oh my God, I died at the name. I mean, how didn't that get a moment? Like, it's a crazy name. It's a crazy name. And he made it on the show. He got a moment with you. I mean, it wasn't, you dated for a minute. I know, but I never even called it. We were hanging out. Oh, you were hanging out. Yeah, I was very, very casual about it. And now you're looking for something more serious?

I mean, at this point, because I was sort of casually dating around so much and I then was like, like, I think I'm much more emotionally available than I realized. So I was getting, like, hurt a bit. So then I am now like, you know what, unless someone's, like, really down to cloud and be serious about stuff, like, I don't really want to date, period. Like, it just feels like a waste of time. My life is really, really great. So if someone wants to date me, they have to, like, prove that they deserve a place in my life.

They need to prove that I need to give them my time because for the most part, I'd be wasting it. so much on people and i just don't feel like to wait how would you meet for people like when you go out are you on apps or something i'm not on apps but i meet people like through friends and often like through like instagram because there'll be like friends of friends and like that really yeah like blue checkmark people or normie people a little bit of both yeah yeah but not like anyone you would know they're just you know have you done like egg freezing and stuff like that because I know like your cat like no no have you have you thought about it I mean I think about it but not in like a I should really go out and do that I just like crosses

my mind I don't know I just I don't know what to do about that would you ever settle down with a girl or you think like with girls it's just like a fun hookup situation I don't know like I said I just, I like people and so it depend on like the person, so if it was, but I think I'm more like in like a hetero-romance space where like I enjoy like relationships with men more, but I don't, I could be, you know, shock me. Shock me, shock, shock. I would love to be shocked. But like I said, I just don't feel like wasting time on anything casual with anyone. So there's equal opportunity. So if someone wants to come up, everybody slide on. On in. Knock my socks on in. Great. And slide. This episode is sponsored by the ASPCA Pet Health Insurance Program.

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you really had cute moments with Tom Schwartz. Like you guys got a little banter back, It seemed like you had let go of, like, anger towards him. So there was just good vibes. Like, those were some of the, like, most fun scenes, like the scenes of YouTube talking to the point that he went, he took it to the next step, like, multiple times. And that also made great TV when he was like, okay, Katie, call me, you know? Or when he offered you the proposition of a one-nighter. Which was, like, not a one-nighter.

Yeah, I mean, I think once we, like, got. a little bit further into our divorce and separation and also just putting distance and time behind us and between us that, you know, there's a lot of healing that happened a lot, but mostly on my part. But I don't know how much examining that men does of his own life and emotions, but I know I have that. I'm not affected by him like I was before. Like, I was like he could really hurt me with his actions and his words and that's why I was like I really need you to like not be like fucking around with people in front of my face and bring it into my work and all of that where now it's kind of like I don't care what you do like I don't you're able to like be just cool with him truly that's why you know again like I know people want to ask me like oh like Tom's new girlfriend I'm like great I don't like it doesn't wait his his new girlfriend he's still dating the the same the same what's

Sophie or something I think it's Sophia Sophia That was my So it doesn't it That was my American girl doll's name So I love the name But no I'm just like not affected by

If he's dating someone or who it is Or you know I mean You know what If it happened to be one of my friends Might be a little weird But I think at this point I could handle it Yeah

Be awkward because it's like Interesting choice But you know We can move on from that So if you were at Tom Tom or somewhere and saw him with Sophia making out, you wouldn't feel anything. No. Truly? Truly.

Wow. You have come a long way. It feels like it's been like a really long time. I don't even remember what it's like to kiss him. And that's kind of sad, but like that's the truth. So I don't, you know, that's what happens. I wonder if you would ever like, you know, do you see a world in which you could get back with Tom? Oh, I don't think so. No. I mean, like I said, I don't think he's done any type of like

therapy or work. Yeah, you're right. Like he still wants to be like, yeah, I understand like, you know, the bar and like my family was going through stuff. I'm like, sir, when are you going to talk about your involvement in like our relationship and not showing up for me and giving me emotional support and acting like my emotions were not valid and didn't need support. I just want to give props to Katie again. And I know we've probably talked since then and you were probably on the podcast and maybe I've said this elsewhere. But the fact that Katie got up from a relationship that there wasn't a huge scandal. There wasn't anything. You know what I mean? The fact that you knew that you deserved more. And I remember that's what you were saying.

Like, I deserve more than this. And you left a relationship of. like 12 years right and just to me that's like hashtag brave you know what i mean it's hashtag brave to do something because how many people are out there in relationships that are not great and they're just like okay i'm not gonna leave it now i'm gonna settle and i'm you know i'll just have kids and all whatever and you fucking did you did the thing that's really hard to do so i'm proud of you yeah because it's like it's not like great but you know know it's not awful like yeah Tom and I like we had a great friendship we had fun we laughed together but there was so much missing that I needed out of that I needed a partner in life and I needed that

like big love you know and I just didn't have that I felt like he just didn't really like me in ways you know like I it just and I think we all saw that and I feel like that was something that was really missing and and I was just like I don't I don't want to be that woman in 20 years that knows my husband has a mistress that's 10, 15 years younger. And, you know, like, I want to just maybe end this now while we're both still have a chance to really find our happiness and our person that we can spend a long life with. Or maybe not. I don't know.

It's inspiring. I'm sure that you inspired a lot of people. Can I tell you, like, when I watched you this season, and maybe you're, you're, at a different place now. And I'm glad that you're at that place with Tom Schwartz that you're saying that like there was so much emotion and now you are doing so much better. But I feel like with Sandoval, you have this like it's as if my reading of it is like deep down, you feel like he had a big part and, you know, the the demise of your relationship or in how Schwartz acted, even though he should take responsibility. But and I feel like when. Sandoval was brought up like I could tell like you're hurt more about him do you get what I mean like I feel like there's something with him like he hurt you or he came between you and Tom he definitely was very manipulative of Tom throughout it and it's like the stuff that he said about me just in front of me in front of Tom I don't want to know what that man said

without me around that is terrifying to me and Tom was like highly influenced by him, so easily influenced by him that I can't imagine subconsciously Tom Schwartz's opinion of me just changed over time. And maybe that's just like why he would just, would, didn't, I don't know, I don't want to blame it fully on that. There's, there's tons of other issues, you know, but like, I don't think that Tom Sanibaz had the most healthy influence on Tom Schwartz in several ways, especially, you know, our relationship and marriage being a huge one but yeah no i think i've just i've sat back and observed tom's behavior towards me towards my ex and the way he you know treated and talked towards him and took you know ownership over him

in so many different ways towards my friends towards other people it's just it's like so grossed me out and i and i you know couldn't say so many things for so long because that was my husband's best friend and that was my friend's boyfriend and another friend's boyfriend like he's been my friend's boyfriends for so many years that I just just had to hold my tongue and now I could just fucking let it rip so I was like fuck this guy you know wait yeah you could let him rip like now I could just say whatever I don't care what you I don't Tom I don't I don't need to like hold my tongue for you Ariana she doesn't give a fuck what I say finally I can just like constantly just like fuck that guy every chance I got and it felt good yeah I

It felt good. I felt, so you, would you say you weren't as surprised by like the Scandival because you always fucking knew he was gross? I mean, to say like I wasn't surprised

because I knew he was gross, you know, he's just, it was surprising because I just felt like, wow, you're really willing to go that fucking low. Like,

like, it was a little surprising because it's like, you're back. But, like, you're bad, bad. You're a bad guy. That's bad. That's, like, I don't know.

And. But why did he never like you? Like, what did you ever do to him? You were just in the way of his relationship with Schwartz, do you think? Well, yeah, because I'm always, I'm one of those people that has opinions about bullshit that he does. And, like, you know, he doesn't like when being called on stuff or being challenged on things or, you know, like, we would buy heads all of the time. Like, I'm like, there's. I was always, I'm always fighting with like my friends, boyfriends and things like that because if they say something dumb, I'm just like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. And some appreciate, no, some it's like a healthy banter sort of like thing, you know, but sometimes it turns the other way with some where I'm just like, and I think they get worried that I'm going to like try to convince the girlfriend how much of an idiot they are and that they're going to break up with that, you know. And I did like, obviously with him and Kristen because like me and Stasi were like,

Kristen, like, what the fuck are you doing? You know, it's been a history of things. And there was times where Tom and I were, like, closer and had a better friendship and relationship. But, like, we just, like, we're just, we don't mash. At this point, do you even say hello to him if you see him? I don't see him. I don't see anybody.

You don't see anybody right now. Well, I would see Ariana, but she's in freaking Fiji. So how are you handling something about her on your own? I mean, we have a manager and we have, you know, sat, like, there's, there's, are you going every day? I go almost every day. There's some days, I mean, I've been trying to, like, give myself, like, personal, you know, it's just good for me to do that. But I'm also, like, you know, with having podcasts and other stuff going on, like, sometimes I just, like, can't make it in. It's not like it's down the street. It is over the hill. So sometimes it just physically doesn't make sense to do that. But yeah, no, and I talk to Ariana all the time. I talked to her, like, last night for like a long time just to like update on her everything that's like going on. But there's a massive like time difference that's happening. But, you know, I just try to keep her like in the loop of like everything that's going on and just, you know, but it's, it's hard sometimes

because I want her to be like around and experiencing everything and like the fun, the little things that I might like forget to like mention in our conversations. Like having a baby, like when your partner's away. Like you didn't see him. Yeah. You know, crawl. We both miss Diane Keaton, which suck but no stop you both wait she just came like you got no heads up nothing she just breathed in a whole thing is that for people that don't know the nancy mire movie just said designer right did the something about her right so did that person get diana come no we don't we don't know like how she knew about it like what the she just showed up one day with like i her son, I believe.

And... First of all, mission to find out, though, Katie. Mission to find out. I asked my mom, because my mom was there. I was like, did you ask her how she found out? Did you ask her, like, where she, you know, she goes, no. And I was like, what that would have been a great question to ask. She goes, but she was just...

Wait, did you see it online or did your mom tell you? Like, how did you find out about the Diane Keaton of it all? Well, my mom, I was on my way. I was on my way there. I just, like, I, you know, went to, I decided. to like, you know, take care of my physical health that morning and go to some Pilates because I literally have turned into a bowl of fucking yogurt because I haven't been like on top of my shit. So I was like, you know what? It's time to like take care of yourself. And so that was the one

morning I decided to do that. So I was literally on my way to the shop. God said no. God said no to working out. Just saying. Well, I can only tell myself that for so long until my pants don't fit. But But anyway, they text me, McKenzie, who's our manager, and my mom, they're like, Dianke and Sierra. And I was like, I hope you're joking. But I also hope you aren't joking. But yeah, and then my mom, like, sent me a picture of the two of them. And I got there and I was like, tell me everything.

And what did they tell you? My mom said that she was like, I feel like I was her best friend. She was so nice. She was so sweet. She was so cool. She says they walked up and they were like about to go, like, stand in the line or something. There wasn't like a super long line. But they were going to dine in, but whoever was driving the car, like, they jumped out and they were circling around trying to find parking.

So they just decided to get food to go. So they didn't eat in, but she, you know, sat and waited for her food. My mom talked to her and she was, I just love you and love all your movies. And she was like, oh, my God, stop. And then. Did she know Vanderpump rules? Did your mom find out if she knows nothing like that? No one asked questions, which I'm so annoyed because it's just like.

I'm not going to ask her that, but someone else could have. Right, like McKenzie. Like, I was like, you know what? You guys are terrible PR people. Wait, who else? Who else has been around? Like, any exciting celebs? Um, God, my thing.

It's just like I saw people on Instagram that I follow being like, I went to check out something about her. I forget who, though. I mean, I'm, I know, I can't think. Wait, when Diane Keaton came, was there a long line? that that day? Did she wait in line? It wasn't a crazy long, no, she didn't wait because she was getting food to go. So she, you know, most, everyone that was waiting in line was dying in.

But like, I'm sorry, I, everyone waits in line, even like my friends, even like, I, I always tell people like, I'm sorry, like, I cannot, we have, like, seven tables in there. I cannot make people, I cannot just have you cut. If you take food to go, we can make that happen very easily. I won't make you wait in the line, but to, to dine in, like, I cannot, like, bring people ahead of people that just, like, people really wait a long time. And I appreciate that, like, we just don't have that capability at this point. I can't believe it's been a month. It's been a month. Lenny is one month old. And it's so true what they say, like, first kid versus second kid. Like, first kid, we took the one month. one month picture. We laid him on that mat. We took the two month, the three months. And this year we're like, oh, Lenny is one month today. Oh, oh my God. Yeah. That's it. No pick. And it's not like you're like, oh, I don't care. It's not second kid. Yes, you are busier. You also have another kid. But I think it's more about like with the first kid, you do all the stuff that you hear about that you think you're supposed to do that's like you that you read about. You've seen people do. And with your second kid, you kind of do like, what you actually want to do or think you should do. So I think you just like figure things out more.

It just also reminds me of like how with no, I ended up exclusively breastfeeding because I'm scared of pumps. And I remember when I did pump because I wanted to like go out and have my mom babysit. I like would put it on one breast and like do it and then leave her that milk in the fridge. I didn't create any sort of stash. I what which is fine. I just, you know, there was a. a reason for that. And I was like, I hate pumping. And now like, yeah, can pumping be a nuisance? Yeah.

But at the same time, it's like, I get it more. I get how the pump works. I like know what cycle to put it on, which is different. Like you learn more. And with Noah, I also, like, we spoke about a bunch of times I exclusively breastfed and then kind of went on to breastfeed until almost two and a half, which everyone's like, that's crazy. And I'm like, no, that's crazy. I don't know how I exclusively breastfed. I think it's only because it was COVID and I must have not left the house because now I'm like, if I leave the house even for a little bit or if I have to go into my office even for a little bit, there has to be a backup for Lenny if he's hungry. Like there has to be, he has to have a way to eat. So how did I do it then? I just never left. Like I really need someone to remember. I'm like,

you guys remind me what? And they're like, yeah, I guess you never left because it was COVID and you weren't as busy as you are today. My business, this job that I have hadn't taken off quite yet. So I guess I never left, but that still is mind-boggling to me now to think about it like that. So that brings me to By-Heart that I wanted to tell you guys about. By-heart formula. I think I mentioned this already, but let me tell you, you want to have in mind a formula that you will use if you First of all, there's some parents that plan on exclusively using formula. There's some parents that plan on exclusively breastfeeding. There's some parents that plan on doing a mix.

There's some parents that go in on planned, which I'm all for. But if you want to have a formula to use, I highly recommend. I did my research when I was still pregnant because I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do with this baby. So I want to have kind of all the options. I want to have all the pumps. I want to know what formula I can use if I choose to use a formula. even if I don't use it at the very beginning. And I was shocked to find out the ingredients that went into some of the most known formulas

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slash podcast. The code is not skinny 20 for a limited time. Additional terms and conditions apply. The code is not skinny 20. What's the deal with Ann? Does she work there? Yeah. Anne's working there.

Anne's doing a lot of like more like administrative stuff right now and helping with our social and online presence right now to help like kick that. up a notch because I'm not great at that. I'm not I'm a little judgy. I'm a little judgy when it comes to Ann. Why? I don't know. I don't know.

I feel like, first of all, she started a podcast like because, okay, it's giving like I don't actually want to be an assistant or working with these people. You know what I mean? I want to be a star and I don't hate on people that want to be stars, you know, obviously. She definitely doesn't want

to be an assistant. She wants to like do some legit shit. She doesn't want to, like, be on the show. Well, I mean, I think, listen, if you're going to participate in reality TV, you may as well make the most of it. Yeah. Like, you don't, you never want to just be like, oh, maybe dabble. Like, why would you just, like, do a little bit?

May as well do a lot with it because, especially on a show, like, Vanterpump rules. Like, may as well. Because, like, she's gotten some. You're saying there might be some Ann on Vanderpump in the future? I don't even know what the future of Vanderpump is. no one does at this point. Oh my God, I don't either. Should we be concerned at this pause?

Is it bullshit that they're saying that it's just to let everyone recollect their lives after Scandival and create some new stuff? I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's it's a weird, weird times. I mean, I'm not. I would think that this is the best time ever to renew and start. Start filming. Like, how is now the time for a pause? I don't, I mean, I don't know, but I'm fine with it because I have not in 12 years had like a summer.

And it's just, it's really nice to be able to just have so much time to really focus on the shop, especially in the beginning of it all, you know, and take like a trip maybe. I don't want to just like, just have time, really. So you're not concerned? I mean, I'm not going to be concerned until it's time to be concerned, and it doesn't feel like it's time to be concerned. It doesn't feel. Okay. Yeah, I just, like, I think everyone's sort of like, you know what, this feels good.

Okay, good. Did you watch any of the Valley this season? Yeah, I did. What do you think? Do you approve? Yeah, no, I thought it was really good. I mean, because I had known, to some extent, and, capacity most of the people on the show spent like little bits of time with a lot of them

and so I had some opinions and some of those opinions change and some didn't change and some of them stayed you know but I thought it was really good wait so who do you like who do you not like do you like any of the men I like Jason Janet's husband oh okay well yeah and I like Danny yeah and you like so you don't like Jesse no okay And the girls, Michelle? I like all the girls. You like all the girls. Love you.

Such a girl's girl, Arcadia's. Oh, and Kristen, how are you doing with her? Are you friends now? Kristen and I are good. Yeah. No, I see her from time to time. She lives like three doors down from me. Oh, right.

Okay. Oh, she lives literally in your complex? Yeah. Oh, wow. We're like straight up neighbors. Wait, so do you see? do you hop over? Like, do you have wine nights or? We haven't. We keep talking about it, but she, she goes out of town a lot. She goes to, you know,

like Colorado or back, you know, with Luke a lot. But like, we're always like, let's have like a wine night. Let's get together. And I'm just like, I'm like, let me know. I'm here, you know. So it's just like, I don't know, I think we're just having a hard time making it happen. But what did you think of her this season? She got, she was like messy Kristen a little bit. Love it. Living for it. You're like, as long as I'm not, like, in that, you know, getting, like, annoyed, you'd love to be a viewer of it. I'm just going to say it. Here it goes.

It's like, whoop, there she is. Just dropping it. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. She's bringing it. You know, you need that. You need that sort of, like, spilling the tea, like, just going to, like, let it fucking fly. Yeah.

And there are talks a lot about, like, who from Vanderpump would join the Valley. do you, would you see yourself, like, joining that cast in any capacity if push came to shove? No, I don't think that's really? The place for me, no. Really? Yeah. Hmm. Do you think it's a place for anybody else, like Lala, Sheena?

I think, I mean, I could see them, you know, because of, like, the kids and they all get the kids together and that's the whole thing. But, I mean, I think that makes more sense than me. And then I saw, there was a while ago, I know you. cleared it up. People were like, are Katie and Sossi's still good? Katie and Sossi's still good. And then you said that you guys are just in different places and your wife's kind of vibe. So you're not as like seeing each other as much. Yeah. I mean, like there's time where we like hang out all the time like going out to like girls dinners and stuff like that. But like she's got, you know, Hartford who's three. Messer who's like nearly one. That's like I don't, I mean, I don't have kids, but I know those are like really tough, tough ages. And she's very. involved hands-on kind of mom and then she's got you know she's doing her book and her podcast like not a lot of time left over and then so and I fully respect that and I'm working on my stuff with a sandwich shop and my podcast and I've got you know other friends too that I see

but I'm always here like I'm always a girl let me know I'll come over anytime you know but it's just it's fine I'm the type of person that if I don't see my friends for like months it's not like time has passed like and saucy and i've always been like that too so you know and i think that's fine that's that is adult so no bad blood with anybody but lala basically right now yeah lala and i are not talking and sheena i wouldn't say that there's like bad blood with sheena i mean i haven't talked to sheena really i haven't seen her i don't i mean yeah i think maybe she's i don't i know her and mala are very close so maybe she's just Yeah, it feels a little bit like Lala and China v. Ariana and Katie.

That's how it kind of felt by the end. Yeah. I don't know, but I think everyone's just taking a breath. Yeah. For the most part, yeah. Okay, one last question that we didn't discuss about you hooking up with Max this past season. You had that? Hashtag regret or no?

I don't like to regret. anything. But I was like in a very like different place. I don't know. It's fine. Did Dana care? Because like I don't know if you'll remember Dana who's Katie's like really good friend and co-host on your podcast. Did have a thing with Max when she was on. Like was there any weirdness with you too about that? Well I mean initially when I told her she was like oh I don't care but then you know after you that she she like she did and we talked about it you know and I would just, would never ever want to ruin a friendship over a guy and i just like that's the closest i've ever come to that and i'm just like i that did not sit well with me and so you know obviously so

if i regret anything it's it's the the fact that that could have ever destroyed anything between her and i yeah you weren't thinking about that part when that happened i wasn't thinking about anything. Yeah. I was, I was three. You're messy Katie for a minute. 16 sheets to win. There was not a thought going through my mind.

I was just like, let's fucking go. Wait, and Max and Schwartz were fine after. Like, they're friends as if nothing. Yeah, I think they're closer than they've ever been at this point.

I see like Max's like bartending at Schwartz and Sandy's. I'm like, oh, no, it's literally you guys are wild. Like, I don't understand. Like, What does Max say to Schwartz?

Like, how does he, how is he, you know what I mean? Like, okay, Schwartz can't expect anything from you, but he can expect something from his friend. You know what I mean? Yeah, I just, I just don't. Schwartz, like, genuinely, like, doesn't care. Oh, my God. He's like, I'm, like, happy for you guys. Like, that's great.

Like, when I was, when Tom and I were talking at the Lawless water party at James and Alley's, like, part of our car seat, he was like, he said, I'm really happy for you guys. Like, even you guys got, like, married. I'd be, like, great. If you guys wanted to date and get married and then I'm just like, whoa, whoa. That is not even going to happen. Not even close. I'm not going to date this guy. But he was probably, was he never a jealous guy even when you were married?

He was never, never jealous. Yeah. No. You need a little bit of jealousy, I feel like. I would like, like a healthy, like the healthiest little like dash of that would be just to know. Yeah. Just so I know you like me.

Right. Not like I don't care if you go marry my best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Not a vibe. Yeah. So, wait, I wanted to ask you something about TikTok because I'm not a TikTok person. Sheena clowning on her podcast about some of the Valley people because some of the couples were

filming an apartment and not houses. Did you see something about that? Oh, yeah. That made her sad or something. Yeah, like, something weird, yeah. I don't know, like, is she was, was she talking about? Hold on, let's know what's see. Some of the apartment scenes on our show and the Valley where I'm like,

I just feel a little sad right now, okay? Like, I'm in my house and, like, just kind of depressing. It's like you like you like to get back to some of that apartment living for that realness. Yes. But then I'm like, I used to have a house. Now we're doing a spa day in your apartment while everyone's in big bear. And it just made me a little sad.

It was a tough scene. I will say, like, I like that they sort of leaned into it in a way, but like, and they embraced it. But I agree that the comparison of the big bear mansion to that. That's mean. The CBS book massagers or whatever they were. But your apartment is much nicer than Kristen's. Doesn't look like you guys live in the same complex. Yeah, but I still live in the same complex. And like, no, no, I know. But I'm saying like you're, it doesn't look like the same. Like, I wouldn't have guessed that. You know what I mean? But. That's crazy. I did not know. Let me tell you about apartment living and from going from a house to apartment living. I don't have to take care of shit. You don't have to take care of shit. So when like something breaks, there's a leak. I need a debt.

Like a filter or something needs to be. I just call maintenance and they come and do it. It's wonderful. Like, yeah, community living and all the neighbor's situation isn't ideal. But like, I'm also like not home a bunch of the time anyway. ways to like whatever so it doesn't think she was talking about you she was talking about the well she said she was talking about like both a little bit like used to have a house and I have apartment like although she said on our both of our shows and things like that but also it's like

but guess what like I don't have to pay a mortgage yeah my rent isn't still like super cheap I'm still like paying quite a bit you know for monthly you know living expenses but like it is so expensive having a house and it's like not that I couldn't go out and buy like like another house obviously wouldn't buy like a two million dollar house something like but i just i don't want that i really don't and let's take a moment i feel like people should know this but like you can buy a house like you can take a mortgage pay your life away you know what i mean you can do that it's not like if somebody buys a house that means they're like super i remember when all of you bought the houses and it was like this huge deal was like you know

And that was really exciting, but it was more because all of you were settling down and you got married and like that's the thing that you do. But that's wild. That's wild what she said. Sheena. Yeah. Sheena, my life isn't sad because I live in an apartment. I'm doing it by choice because I don't want to deal with. I don't want to deal with all that shit. Like it's not because I can't afford a house. Wait, did she move into a new house or when she says that she's sitting in a house sad for other people? Is it the same house that we see? on the show? No, she just moved into a house. Oh, okay. She's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's sad in the new house. Yeah. She's sad in the, okay, well, that was, I didn't give you the same chuckle it gave me. What, it gave me?

I mean, it gave me a chuckle because it's like a, such a ridiculous thing to say. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. I know. Oh, my God. I know, it's just, I'm just like, will you just, I'm just like, will you just, moves into your house like you like what do you mean oh my god okay Katie I love you I love that you're so chill and you don't fucking give a fuck about anything and I hope you continue that way and

you're seriously the best and not that I need to plug something about her but fucking something about her you guys go stand in line get the sandwiches which one does Katie Maloney recommend the most let's hear it God it's so I really truly do not have a favorite because they all are all so, so good. But, like, I really love the Reese. It's our chicken salad sandwich. It's fucking delicious. The Cameron, if you're really into, like, an Italian.

That rap looked good. The make. I think we have literally the best BLT. It's the Nancy. It's on this amazing sourdough. Oh, I'm in, first of all, bacon and sourdough are two of my favorite things. And we use, like, a cutie mayo. Have you heard cutie mayo?

Oh, my God. my husband has been ordering that mayo. I don't know where he saw that that was like the go-to-mao. It is. It's like a creamier sort of consistency and on a BLT. And we get these like the nice thick cut tomato. I mean, our, it slaps so hard. It'll change your life.

I can't wait. That's the Nancy. I can't wait to visit. And the new pod, disrespectfully pod with Dana. Yeah. You're thriving there. It feels like such a good. It's good.

Such a good place for you. Yeah. I know. We're having so much fun with it. It's just like fun to like sit and like talk with your friend about literally anything and everything, whether it's aliens or, you know, just horrible dates. And yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the, just where you're at in life in your 30s, dating, not dating. Different kinds of vibrators. Yeah. Why do why do vibrators need all those settings? You know, plucking your chin hairs. Whatever it may be that day. we're sort of just like, why is this happening? And is it happening to everybody else? I think it's just highly relatable content. So give it a listen. New episodes,

Wednesday. Wednesday. New episodes of disrespectfully on Wednesday. Something about her. I can't wait to eat those sandwiches. I seriously can't wait. I love you, Katie. Thank you for coming on.

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