Not Skinny But Not Fat - Keeping up W/ The Kardashians W/ Comments By Celebs

Episode Date: May 4, 2021

I brought in backup because it’s gotten difficult to keep up with the Kardashians. There’s so much going on lately from KRAVIS to Scott and Amelia, to Tristan cheating again, and even just the discrepancy between what’s happening on KUWTK vs IRL. Comments by Celebs’ Emma Diamond and Julie Kramer have their PhDs in Kardashians and are here to make sense of it all. Support the show by supporting our sponsors! Prose: Go take our hair quiz and get 15% off your first order at prose.com/notskinny Huzzah: Use code NOTSKINNY to get 20% OFF at drinkhuzzah.com Woo: Head to WooMorePlay.com use code NOTSKINNY for 20% off Deux: Go to EatDeux.com and use code NOTSKINNY for 20% off Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Okay. I also talk to some of our favorite celebs and reality TV stars. We talk about what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking to shit with your best friends and your liver. room. Okay, you guys, we've been on a Kardashian, like just a Kardashian crazed with a K because they've been giving us non-stop content. And by them, I mean, mostly Courtney, but also Chloe lately.

And also Kim. Oh, my God, just everyone. So I brought fellow experts in the Kardashians and in pop culture and entertainment, comments by celebs, Emma and Julie. Hi. I love that introduction. We're so happy to do. I know.

It was like not prepped. Not a prepped one. This is quite literally our favorite thing to discuss. We're really happy to be here with you. Whenever I hear you girls talk about the Kardashians, like, even though I know that I talk about this shit seriously, like I know that I do, but just hearing somebody else talk about it even more seriously than I do. Yeah.

It's like a PhD in Kardashian. Like listening to you. girls like just talk about like so like you're just like no and this is like one and and that's why i was like no we have to talk about it together because you're the only other people that i know that like to this extent care to this extent like think about it not only while running your account your huge fucking account comments by slabs but also i know that you like as people care about this stuff very much so yes very much so and i feel i feel the same way with you it's comforting we always say this. It's comforting when you know that you're in the presence of other people that

are non-judgmental about your pop culture, like, intensity. Because I just want to talk really and not have to worry if I'm sounding like I care too much because I do care a lot. Exactly. It's fun, though, that we're during a time. Don't you feel like like, first of all, for people that want to, I've done an episode with comments by Celaz before where we actually talked more about you girls and how you got to do what you're doing. So if you want to check that out, it's in the history of the podcast. But today we're going to just talk about straight up Kardashian stuff. and pop culture stuff, but do you feel like in like the past when you were younger and still cared about this stuff? Were you more embarrassed about it? Like, and now you've accepted

obviously because of comments by celebs too. But was there a time where you weren't as confident being like, listen, I care about this stuff. It's what matters. And I don't care if I sound like superficial, shallow and stupid. I mean, do you want to go first of all? I don't think I was ever embarrassed of it. Like I definitely not when I was in high school or middle school because I felt like of all the things that I was into, pop culture was like the least embarrassing. But in college, maybe a little bit because you met people who had just like a lot of interests and a lot more things than you were just like the Kardashians. But instead of like being embarrassed, I just like got my friends on board. So I don't know. I don't feel that way.

Do you, um? No, I think that growing up, I people always knew my interest level, but I guess now I feel more confident to say it because it's grown into our business. So how are you going to knock somebody that's made a business out of their passion? Like if anything, I'm proud of that. Right, right. A hundred percent. And I'm with you. I think for me was like my sister was into like, she wanted to be a doctor and then she would kind of knock my interest. But yeah, who would have thought that you could do what you love and that so many other people, I mean, your tagline, is like even celebs love celebs. What is that?

Yeah. Even famous people love famous people. Oh yeah. So it is true. Like we all, even famous people love. I mean, I'm sure so many celebs slide into your DMs that are interested.

I have celebrity followers that live for celebrity gossip. Like it's just become such a like phenomenon. And social media, don't you feel has become. I mean, I feel like media outlets can't keep up with what social media. Oh, Beyonce. I mean, more times than not,

you go to so many of these media outlets posts and the caption is just link in bio to see what someone so posted. It's like, why am I going to go to the link in bio when I can just go to their page, you know? And also it's three days late. Right. Because they have to have it go through approvals or whatever.

And sometimes I see it and I'll get DMs from followers being like, e-news copied you. And I'm like, first of all, they didn't. They were just posting it three days late. the same thing that we found out about three days ago because they have to, so it is kind of wild to see that we're just getting all of our stuff from social media. But anyway, so I mean, I'm sure everyone follows comments by celebs, but if you don't, obviously that's where you'll get all the comments by celebs, which are one of the best things about Instagram to see what

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the handheld the handhold photo which was first a story and then of post, which I'm sure we can talk about at length. But yeah, I mean, I know for us, those comments were the first time when we were like, okay, what all of the media outlets are saying is actually correct. And Courtney's willing to go public with this. How did you girls feel? Like when that first started happening, were you into it? Was your first thing like, oh my God, love this? Or was your first thing for Scott? Like, where do you stand on like the score, the love for score. Oh, my God.

I think our first thought was Scott. It was, right? Yeah, well, we were just talking about this because we had just recorded an episode talking about the kind of the Scott element of it. And we were saying, like, here we have this relationship between Travis and Courtney rising. Like, it was kind of a slow start. Like, you saw a picture of them together.

You heard a rumor. And then I think the first comment was like he had commented beautiful on something or a black heart. And before it was really what we saw now, it was like this gradual progression. But at the same time, you're getting all of these previews for keeping up with the Kardashians where Scott's like, I'll marry you right now. I'm in love with you. And her kind of being like, well, we've had these conversations before. So you're kind of sitting here.

You were expecting Kardashians to go on a certain thing where you were like, okay, maybe they will get back together. Like maybe that's what they're showing us. And then all of a sudden you're being hit in the face with this Travis thing. And you're like, wait a second. I don't know if I like that because I'd already gotten my hopes up. I think as this went on and we were able to see them and the couple they are, not just like a couple of snippets through Instagram, we were like, this is the real deal and you were able to kind of get past the Scott and Courtney of it

and focus more on just feeling bad for Scott as his own entity. But I think Scott was definitely our first thought. How do you think just that alone what you said, Julie, like we're watching keeping up. The thing with Scott is happening from the beginning. That's one of the major storylines. And in real life, like, people are going crazy for Cravis, me being one of them. Do the Kardashians not give a fuck anymore? Like, does Chris Jenner not care that, like, nothing's adding up?

Like, are we just supposed to be smart viewers and be like, oh, it was filmed before. So, you know, it's old. Like, don't they care at all? Weren't they, like, Courtney, maybe wait for it to go public? So, like, it a little bit, like, makes sense. and people aren't just completely not engaged in the show. You know, we were just having this conversation because I think previously a few seasons ago

that probably would have been a logic. But I think they're at the point where the Kardashians know us as viewers. Like they kind of have us by the balls. We're going to watch no matter what. Courtney could be married to Travis Barker tomorrow and we would still watch that entire season with popcorn and not being able to take our eyes off of it. And I think that honestly, I don't truly like in my heart

and I know, no inside information. It's just my gut feeling. I don't think Courtney or Travis or the family expected this to progress in the way that it did. But I think that what we all have to remember, it's like they had a really deep friendship and platonic love for each other. So they were able to make that transition from, you know,

potentially a new romance to like deeply in love probably a lot faster than her with Eunice or somebody that she just met from a romantic situation, you know? Yeah, they go so back. that like if i mean i'm dying to just start keeping up from the beginning just to spot Travis cameos but even of ones that i've seen pop up it's like she is really cute with him like i've seen moments where she's like Travis are you going to come like ice skating or like there was that video that she did with Addison for poo she's like Travis is camp Courtney like

she's brought him up like I feel like more than we think because we're always like oh he's a friend even though I feel like, I don't want to give myself credit where it's not due because it's probably not due, but I feel like I've shipped before they were a thing. But like they, oh, weren't we all kind of like hoping for it when we started seeing snippets who were like, oh, like, yeah, let this be a thing, let this be a thing. And then it's a thing. And not only is it a thing. It's like the most in your face, lovey-dovey, hands-on ass, sexual, like in love. conquering fears overcoming it's just i mean we haven't seen a couple like this in general not even just with the gradashans like on instagram or anywhere like are you completely i'm like taken by it to the point where it like has become like kind of sick i mean absolutely i i think both of us we can't keep our eyes off of it and and what's so critical

It's like, it's one thing to just be excited about getting celebrity PDA. That's not the case here. Obviously, we love that. It's more so, I feel like we are all sensing the vicarious intensity. And it's real, it's real. I mean, it's just happening. And I think also what really separates this is it's very rare when you get a couple where not only are you getting this much insight about their new relationship,

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like Steph Shep Tracy like Kim Kim put up a whole video being like I've never seen anything like this and I was like oh my God Kanye is shaking like he brought Kenny G and walls of flowers and she's never seen anything like it so you could tell that their inner circle is also shipping as hard as us

like the people right which is crazy and I think that's part of the reason also that like just going back to the point you were making earlier about like the Kardashians watching it versus what's going on in real life and like why are we still watching this if we know they're not going to end up together.

I think what we're kind of waiting to see now is that piece of information that's completely missing which is like, okay, how did this happen? And like what went on, what went on with her and Scott that there was a conversation that must have happened before her and Travis started dating. How did her and Travis? But like I think we're all waiting for that.

And I think one of the other things we're waiting for is seeing the progression of her friends and them going from like, you had all of these episodes where, Kim and Chloe are so diehard, get back together with Scott. Like, the entire basis of these past two episodes were them saying, we're going to parent trap you, we're going to get you guys back together, you guys have to get married, to all of a sudden the switch where they're commenting on the photos, like Lady Bridgeton vibes and saying how much they love and posting the pictures of flowers. Like, it's not just a shift you're noticing with Courtney. It's the whole family has taken the shift from Scott to Travis, which is so interesting to me.

I literally am getting goosebumps as we talk about this because this is so true, like, and so wild. But how much do you, okay, so we know that this last season has felt like a little bit more contrived. And I heard you girls saying on a podcast where like they usually, there would be like a contrived little storyline. Like there'd be like the main events and then like, oh, like a little prankeroo or a little as like a subplot. And I feel like this season has been a lot of like that, which we. can forgive them because there is quarantine. They did film in quarantine, so they had less things going on. But do you not watch this season and feel like it's so contrived?

Like the parent trap, like when they were both just ended up at the house, Scott and Courtney. And she was like, oh, what are you doing here? And he's like, oh, I don't know, just feeding. I mean, was that even like a little bit real? Do you feel like? I think the thing you have to do when you watch the episodes is like, if you take away the parts that are contrived or the setup or getting to two people at the same place and then pretending or the lifeguard being there even though it's September and there are

no kids around like if you take that stuff away and you just focus on the conversations they're having those are the elements of it that aren't contrived like Scott talking about his feelings for Courtney and feeling like he can't function when she's with somebody else because it hurts him too badly and it takes up all those mental energy those are the things that are real and that's what's keeping the season good, I think, because I do feel like there are contrived plot lines and pop points. But the conversations they're having are so real and so, such a great insight, that that's the stuff I think we're really focused on and that's stuff that we've been analyzing in our episodes. And that stuff feels really real to me. Yeah. Like, I guess the best way to

put it for me is, I don't care how Scott and Courtney got to the house alone together at the same time. I don't care how we got here. The fact that we got a scene of them in bed together. And in that one moment, when his hand goes on her head, that was not a planned thing. Julie just, you guys can't see her. Julie just put her hand on her heart. Like, that was a moment that it was just a natural action of him to do. And that's the kind of stuff. I don't care how he got there because I just want to watch that.

And I could watch it all day. Okay, but Emma, I'm going to be the devil's advocate here because I was a scorchipper more than like the next guy. But I feel like something about Scott. feels there's too much of a disconnect between the Scott we see on keeping up and the Scott who dates only 19 year olds. You know what I mean? And his, the way he's discounting his relationship with Sophia actually turns me off the most because you, he dated Sophia Ritchie for three years. They were super serious. Then he gets on keeping up this season and he basically puts it as if him and Sophia broke up because he was given an ultimatum by Sophia being like, oh, I'm

not the priority and him saying to Courtney like that she's the priority and then him talking to Courtney about them having significant others and also downplaying sophia and saying you know our significant others are just for like the intimacy part because we have everything else between us like didn't it isn't it a turn off for him to be discounting a relationship of three years you know like i feel like if i was Courtney that's like another thing on my list i wouldn't be like flattered by it i'd be like, wait, why are you, like, at least have respect for your relationship? So I feel like the Scott that we're like, oh, like hand in our hearts, like isn't necessarily the real Scott because if it was, wouldn't Courtney already be swept up by him because she

so wants that family unit? You know what I mean? I feel like, and didn't, ooh, last thing, didn't she say at the table when they were all doing the like, oh, you should get back together? Or she was like, well, if he, you know, works on the things that he says, he's going. And she, and it is sweet of her because she doesn't throw him under the bus, right? It feels like almost she's not saying something. It feels like she's not saying, Scott, stop, you know, saying the shit when you don't do what you're saying.

Or there's something that Courtney isn't saying and she's kind of protecting him. That's what, how I feel. Yes. Okay, wait. There's a lot to break down here. Sorry. No, no, no. It's good.

I love it all. Julie let's I think you want to start with the Sophia element I think that yeah okay do you want to go first you want me to go first please go ahead I think you're right and I saw I think you posted that on your story I very much understand what you're saying there where if I'm Sophia and I'm watching that I'm kind of like what a second what am I chop liver and if I'm Courtney I'm thinking it's really crazy how quick you are to discount that that being said I don't think that that's got bullshitting I think that we don't even know know what Scott would really be like in a relationship because he has never since meeting Courtney he has never been able to be in a relationship where he's fully focused on that. So I agree with you. When I'm watching it, I'm thinking you are in this very serious relationship with this girl that you were seemingly in love with and that loved you. That being said, I think his mind was always focused on Courtney. And so it makes so much sense to me why he's saying that even though I don't agree with it, I don't think it's the kindest thing if I'm Sophia. And I agree with you, I wouldn't be flattered if I was Courtney

because I think she means it when she says she wants him to do things for himself, not just for her. But it's the same reason that Scott is making some pretty distasteful and quite frankly, in my opinion, disgusting choices, dating somebody of that age, nothing to do with Amelia. She's a great girl, just the age. Because the idea of dating somebody that could actually be a life partner, I think is something that is too terrifying for him because it signals a level of finality between him and Courtney. And that's why when you say the thing about how he said to her, you know, well, that was just the intimacy part and they're upset that it can't be both that is why Travis is his worst fucking nightmare it is the right it's the friendship it's the connection and the ease

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based on what we were presented. I think Courtney and Travis got together. And what you saw of Scott dating a 19-year-old dying his hair blonde, living it up in Miami, is him on somewhat of a spiral because he can't deal with this Travis element. I think that's what you're happening. And also, something that happens in the show that gets to be confusing for the viewer

is the timeline of the show because from our perspective, we're watching Scott go from the fresh off the breakup with Amelia and saying, like, I mean, fresh off the breakup with Sophia and saying like, it was just an ultimatum,

I couldn't give up Courtney. She's the mother of my kids. But ultimately, the ideal for both of us would be that we find partners who want to be with each other, like who want to be with us, but also are okay with the fact that we have a really great relationship. Like, he wasn't saying at that point at the end of the breakup with Sophia that he wanted to be with Courtney and that it was over and he was choosing Courtney. It was basically like, I can't give you up because I want to have a family with you,

but ultimately the goal would be that we would be with other partners and they would be able to all get along and see what a great thing this is. then two weeks later you're seeing him being like, I'll marry you right now. I love you, our relationship. You know, I couldn't handle you being in a relationship. That's a three month difference. For us, it's three weeks.

For Scott, it's three months. So I think what you're seeing in reality is like a lot of self-reflection and looking back on his past relationship and realizing what he wants in retrospect, rather than maybe discounting a three-year relationship. It's also a little bit immature to be like, let's just get back together. I mean, we've all been in relationships.

it's not that easy. It's not like Courtney could just stick her. I mean, we don't know if they've hooked up, right, throughout the whole years that they've been apart. Would you guess that they did, like that they have had moments or, you know, sexual encounters or no? I don't know.

It's like so weird. Normally I would be able to tell you a gut feeling and I just don't have one. It's so hard for me because, you know, you go, no, I was going to attention. You go, continue. No, because I'm just thinking, like the way he's like let's just do it like we have everything let's just be that's like

that's like if you had a best friend right being like you know we're so great together and everything else let's just be together it's like that doesn't work that way you know i'm just lately it feels like i took off my pink glasses which i so if you look a month back in my post it was like scott you know and i put up all the moments you know it's like i just think that Cravis kind of aside like seeing Cravis made me take off my glasses my pink glasses of Scott saying wait we're shipping this so much because he's funny because they had a good banter because all the shit he was not good to her for so many years and like I just read there for people that want to they check it out like Elle has a really good breakdown of like Elle magazine did of Courtney and Scott's like relationship it was so on and off and we know. that every off was because of Scott. Either he partied or hooked up

with somebody or was a dick or I mean it wasn't Courtney fucking up. Let's put it that way. Also, the fact that he wants Courtney so bad, she's a fucking dream. That's why I'm upset. I can't. That's what I'm wondering about

Kravis is like, am I so obsessed with them because I'm obsessed with Courtney? Or am I at all Emma's like, no. It's Travis. No, it's both. You posted this, so I know you saw it, the mystical Michaela. Yeah. Did you read it on your podcast?

Yeah, I did. Oh, no, I didn't read it. I didn't read it, but I read it a few times. And yeah, a mystic, what are they called? A Miss. Mystic Michaela. She basically, for anybody who's unaware, we don't have to read the whole post, but she is basically a celebrity or a reader.

And she's also kind of like a medium, an empathic medium. And her whole thing was explaining the difference. And again, you don't have to believe this. but I do think that it puts it in really interesting terms. Her whole concept was Scott and Courtney are twin flames, in her opinion. And there's always going to be that connection. But Courtney and Travis have like a sole contract, which means that it's almost carmic.

Their souls decided this before this life. And so she says, you're sensing that intensity because we've never seen Courtney like this before because as much as we see her, we don't fully see her. We are fully seeing her now because she's getting in touch with the side of herself she never had. yet simultaneously we're feeling this lingering sense of sadness because of the pain that Scott's in. And like what Julie and I keep trying to communicate, I think, to tell ourselves and also I guess to our audience is like the two can coexist. You can be so fucking happy for Travis and Courtney. And then also as a totally separate thing, just like as a human, you can feel for Scott because who wants to see someone else in pain, even if he's not deserving of having her?

Right. Even that's a good, that's a good asterisk, even if he's not deserving of having her. but do you think like if we could get into Courtney's brain because I've been feeling lately like when he was like let's just get back together like to her and like on keeping up I was feeling kind of like she's just not that into him anymore I feel like she lost kind of any last bits of like being in love with him or feeling excitement from him I feel like he continuously

turned her off. Do you get what I'm saying? Like she said, he's handsome, he's funny. Like she knows those points, but she doesn't, I feel like we can't girls, right? Like we always talk about the difference in men and women having sex, right? Women are much more like emotional. So he could

be like Courtney's hot. Courtney's, you know, amazing. She's a great mother. I feel like Courtney can't just get turned on again when she's probably been turned off by seeing him drink and smoke and be with young girls and maybe not be the best dad all the time like it it ends up turning you off so to me it feels like even if

Travis weren't in the picture I don't I don't see her giving Scott as much as I had hoped for in the past like I didn't you I feel like you could sort of tell that like like like you were saying Julie like he's really like once her and in that conversation he was very genuine even if it was set up and whatever I feel like from her and her being like yeah yeah isn't only because that's how she usually responds, but also because she has nothing to say, because I don't think she's into it anyway. I have so many thoughts. First of all, I think the reason that for a long time, we were so team Courtney and Scott getting

back together is so many of the things you said where if you viewed him in the past, then the things that he did to her, there was always that level of them loving each other. And in his best moments, he was so great and they loved each other so much. And then he had his bad moments and it wasn't great. and it eventually reached ahead and they just couldn't be together anymore. But the issue is you then saw Scott really get his shit together. I mean, dating a 19-year-old right now, aside,

in those in-between years when he was dating, Sophia, it felt like it was a really great relationship. He was being a really good dad. He was really present. Like, it seemed like he had really gotten it together. So I think when him and Sophia broke up and Courtney was also single, one of the things we all had in our mind was like, okay, but they've never given it a shot where Scott's in a good place.

Like, Scott's never gotten to prove himself as the same. Scott he is now. He's only been able to be the Scott he was. And those are two very different people. So I think for us, we were like, maybe they can do it because Scott is still, the parts that she loved about Scott are still there. And the part she hated about Scott, he's worked on and maybe he's grown through and maybe that would be able to give it a shot. I think what was frustrating about watching the conversation between Courtney and Scott on last week's episode was, yeah, Courtney wasn't giving him a lot. It's not like Courtney was sitting here being like, oh, it's such a tough decision for me. I do love you. I don't know what I want. Like, she wasn't, but that's not

Courtney's communication style. Courtney's never going to give you that. But it's not like she was also saying, no, absolutely not. And he was kind of saying, I need you to say no so I can move on. And she was basically like, yeah, well, can I let you know? Can I give you time? And I think that's one of the issues in their relationship, because it's really easy to say, like, it's all on Scott. And most of it is, 100%. I think there's a lot Scott has done wrong. I think there's a lot Scott continues to do wrong to this day. But I imagine if I'm Scott and somebody who spent a lot of time working through my stuff and being so open and vulnerable. And I come to Courtney and I'm like, here's what I want.

Here's how I feel. And all I'm getting back in return is like, mm-hmm, yeah, maybe. Yeah, like that's going to drive you fucking crazy. So I think that if they tried to make it work and it didn't, it's definitely a little bit on both of them. But I think for Scott, it was like, I'm here pouring my heart out to you. And like, if you were to just say no to me, then I'd be able to move on. but the fact that you're not giving me anything is putting me right back in this position of I can't move on until you give me an answer yes or no.

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she was probably like, whatever, like it'll end and it's fine with me. I mean, I just think she's more comfortable and okay with the ambiguity than he is because she's not as deeply in love with him as he is with her. That's just the fact of it. And also, you know, you were saying before about how you feel that she's really turned off to him and how we can't just turn it on, that really resonates with me because I think what's going on. And I think I said this when we just recorded before is like, I feel that with Travis, she feels safe. And I don't think we've ever seen Courtney feel fully safe. And also, this is such an important point. If you watched even in those episodes,

every time Scott says what he's done, and he says, all the changes Courtney wanted to make, I made, and then he follows it up with, and they were good for me. Like basically saying, she didn't force me to do this. I'm actually glad that I did it. I think if I'm Courtney, it's kind of like, I don't want to have to tell the guy to buy me flowers. As much as I'm so proud of you for making those changes,

I don't want to have to be in a situation where I have to force you to do. that. And I think it, she was just exhausted by it. So I think it was the exhaustion that probably manifested itself into being turned off, I think. I think so too. I think also, first of all, like, as much as I love Scott, I completely understand the Travis and Courtney thing and what she finds in him because I do think that sense of safety is there. But I think it's so many things. Like, I think it is literally just overwhelming for Courtney how in love she is with Travis right now. And I think it's like she hasn't felt in a while and we were basically saying like if you're going back to all the stuff that Scott did even when Courtney was the most in love with him she still had

to have her guard up to a certain extent and with Travis I think she's in love for the first time without having a guard up and I think if you're going back to like what does Scott want out of relationship versus what is Courtney want I think that's what Courtney always wanted like Courtney wanted that sense of love without any sort of anything and for her she was able to keep Scott on somewhat of a backburner or keep him in the capacity he was in because that's kind of the family dynamic she's grown up in. Like her parents got divorced, but they were able to stay friends. Her mom got remarried. She was able to be close to, you know, to Caitlin and have this big family that she knew that no matter what, even if her parents were divorced,

they were still always going to be a family. For Scott, Scott grew up with two parents who stayed married and then died within a couple of months of each other. So Scott's here like searching for his idea of a family and trying to replicate that, which in his mind is two parents together with their kids and he's able to recreate what he lost. For Courtney, it's like, okay, we can still be a family in just this modern family that my sisters do and my mom did and we can do it that way. And I think Scott for a while thought he could do that when they were separated and he had a girlfriend and Scott and Courtney had a boyfriend. They were able to make it work. I think once they were both single, he was like, okay, I can have my idea of a family now. And that's what he was really

chasing after. I for some reason have this feeling that because you're so confident in the fact that like he's done all this work and he got so much better. I'm wondering how true is that? Like how much has he done the work? How much did he get better? Like I said, because I do feel like if he was this really, really changed amazing man today that maybe Courtney would have given him a chance, even though I might agree like she's probably exhausted and wants the guy who just shows up without telling him to show up. And also, I feel like maybe there is an element to the fact that she knows deep down that like scott was made by her and her family maybe that's on the list of turnoffs like Travis's self-made was in a band has his own thing Scott was like made by her sister maybe that's like on the list of things to be turned off by

that's an interesting point you bring up that I don't think we've ever mentioned I mean look No, I'm like, how have we never even got up every scenario? Well, I mean, that is interesting. And I guess, I mean, I can imagine some people thinking that that's like her being superficial, but I don't because if that is the case, that could be a thing.

She may want someone with his own thing. That's definitely possible. In regards to your first point, though, about how we're not so confident he's done the work, like I don't know. But the thing that makes me feel that he has at least done some work is because, listen, Kim and Chloe love him,

and so does Chris and so does Kendall, but they love Courtney Moore. So I don't think they would be pushing for this, and I truthfully believe it's not just a plot point for the show. I truthfully think that they were pushing for it. I don't think they'd be pushing for it in that way if they didn't view Scott as a change Scott,

at least to the point that we're seeing in the show. That's what always takes me back. You know what I mean? It's like, we're not just taking his word for it. We have half the family rooting for it too. What does that say? And let me take it a step further. by that same token, that's why

fucking Tracy, who was like one of the most inner people of the entire circle commenting on Travis's Insta saying, when can we start planning the wedding? That's what speaks volumes. Once the family and the friends are down, like, it changes everything. Yeah.

I also think with Scott, you have to put it on a scale. If you're comparing Scott to somebody else in terms of his change and his growth and you're comparing his growth to Travis, of course there's going to be something different. If you're comparing Scott to Scott, then yeah, he's definitely put in the work and changed. He's a different Scott than you saw. It's just all

relative. So I feel like somebody's going to listen to this and be like, wow, your standards are low for rent. Like it's not. I just think that like if you're looking at Scott and only comparing him to pass Scott, then you can definitely see a change. If you're comparing Scott to other men that you put on a really high pedestal, then no, you're not going to feel that way about his change. So wild also going back to that comment that true. Tracy made on on Travis's fucking series of pictures from their trip. Every time they post a picture, it's like, like, and my husband's like, what happened? Like, and I'm like, no, I'm okay.

But I'm not. Like, are you okay? No, I'm not. Is everything okay in your life? Yes, it is. Like, I can't even speak. But everything they post, what do you girls say to the people that say, hold on, it's way to in our faces to be, you know, because there's so many doubters too, right?

there's so many shippers, but there are so many doubters that are saying it's too in your face. It's two PDA. He got a tattoo of her name, even though, again, I, even for me, like if I was dating a guy with that many tattoos and he didn't get my name after like the first date, I'd be like something's up. So I don't take that as like such a huge deal because he's so teatted up. But what do you say to the people that say, Kravis, it's over the top.

It's too much. It can't. It's not going to last. Even though Mystic Michaela says, you know, that it's the real deal. But really, there are doubters because of how public it is. So what do we think of that? I guess for me, like everybody's entitled to their viewpoint, right? So however you feel is fair, I just don't.

And a lot of times, I agree. I have definitely been in that police system. Like, if it was that great, you wouldn't be sharing it everywhere. And I can see that. That being said, I can't even probably explain this that intelligently because I just feel it inside of me that it just feels different. Because to me, this is what it is. I'll tell you the difference.

to me, it doesn't feel performative. To me, it feels like she literally can't contain it. They're just bursting in love. Like, the way we just described it is like they're in this bubble of just so in love and they just want to share it with the world, not in a performative way, not in a way to get back at Scott, to get back at anyone or to show off. Just like, holy shit, I am so proud of this love that I'm experiencing that I never thought I could experience in this lifetime and I want to shout it from the rooftops.

And you want to know something, especially if we're going to criticize Courtney for being so unemotional at times. How are we then in that same breath going to criticize her for sharing her emotions? You're just never going to find me doing that. It's wild that that Courtney, so I mean, I know we're saying he's spiraling, but like if he's actually seeing what we're seeing, then it's like I'm not, it's not even like a funny caption. Like Scott, are you okay? You know, let's check on Scott. This is like a for real thing. Like how is Scott dealing with the sexuallessnessness of this couple, the thumb-sucking, the, the fact that Push became like a fucking sexual wellness blog now that she's with Travis, every article is like about sex. His hand is like,

I feel like there's something like dominant there. Don't you like feel like there's something like his hand is always on her ass, like kind of like mine, like mine. Like I feel like there is something. Well, we know that's a thing like somebody wrote to me like, I don't know. I just feel like they have like the most kinky sex and I'm like no shit Sherlock like really you're a genius like they're basically telling us that that's what's happening do you think scott looks does he see it like because if he is then it's not a joke then like we should all be very concerned okay this is important like and julie okay let me try that what we what julie and i have been talking about a lot and so i want you to go after me is like i fully agree right like if what we're saying on the show is happening

at the same time as this, you're genuinely concerned for him. That being said, what we don't know is, did a conversation take place? And I have to imagine it did. I'm not saying it takes away his pain, but to be blindsided with it in a way, without any sort of acknowledgement or conversation, like if he was still holding out hope and then this is happening, that would be really bad. So if we're doing a scale of pain, I have to imagine that Courtney, she cares for him as a human being. There had to have been a conversation. And to me, maybe I'm just telling him, telling myself that to make me feel better, that kind of softens the blow in a way, although I fully think he's like freaking out and understandably so. I feel for him. What do you think, Julie?

I don't think there's any conversation that could have ever taken place that would prepare him for what was to come. Even if she was like, listen, Scott, it's done between us. I'm so in love with Travis. He is the love of my life. We are never getting back together. That conversation and of itself is heartbreaking and it lets him off the hook of hoping for the possibility of them getting back together. I don't think it lets him off the hook in any sense of the word of comparing either what they did have with each other to what Courtney now has with Travis or what Scott had in his mind of what they could have had together that Courtney now does have with Travis. I think for Scott, especially as somebody that we know has been through so much

and as somebody who we know just said on the last episode of the show that even four or five years after they broke up, even when he had a girlfriend, the thought of seeing her with somebody else takes up so much of his mental energy that he couldn't function throughout the day. And that was on like a microscale. To see it on this, I can't even imagine. Right. Exactly. Because he did say that, which again, gave me like bad vibes for poor Sophia, even though she's happy and she's dating someone and she's fine. But yeah, like even if a conversation happened where Courtney said because if there was a conversation, I imagine it was at the beginning, right? That's how I would see it. And it was like, okay, I'm going to see how things go with Travis.

Like, we have a good thing going. He could, like Julie was saying, he could have never, nothing could have prepared him for this and for the support, you know, because I'm sure he would have loved if people were like, no, scored. But like, I feel like the majority, you know, are really, really rooting for for Travis. And at the end of the. end of the day though what we do know is that they're amazing co-parents and that Courtney wouldn't do something to kind of get in the way of of that so I'm sure they're managing that but so how do we kind of look at Scott and Amelia like it's not so we were talking about the 19 year olds for me with Sophia like I was like okay if it's a one off you just happen to

fall in love age is just a number right like I just fell in love with this soul but then you're going to date another 19 year old kind of puts that in a different perspective where it's not just like oh you happen to fall in love in the 19 year olds it's like oh you're just into 19 year olds which we could look at that in the Courtney lens and

be like oh you know analyze it and say is he dating young women because it could never get serious and he's holding out for Courtney is it as simple is that or is he just like a fucking Hollywood guy that likes to date young girls probably a combination of bold to fight a guess

I mean, that's what we said in the beginning where we were saying, like, he just keeps dating these girls that there's no future. Even Sophia, who we loved, they were together for three years, they were living together. We knew that when it came time to have the conversation of like, are you guys going to get married? Are you guys going to have kids? Is Scott going to be okay, having kids with somebody who isn't Courtney? Like, we knew that that relationship was headed for probably the end when that came up, when it became an issue, but he was able to buy himself so much time because she was so young

and he knew it wouldn't come up. And I think that's one of the things he does is if he's dating somebody who's young, A, he knows he has until like they're ready to be serious to get out of the relationship. And B, he's able to say, like, I'm dating a 19 year old. And when Courtney's ready, I will be there for her because what grown adult woman who is searching for something serious is going to date somebody that you have the knowledge of is so in love with their ex-girlfriend and the mother of his kids that like he can't possibly move on. when you're 19, you're already searching for some sort of relationship and here comes this guy who's older and more mature and you're like, oh, this is perfect. Like, this guy is great.

That's the only person that's going to want to date you knowing how public this whole thing is. And like, that's no shade to Amelia. I think that she's great. I think that she hopefully has a good head on her shoulders and is able to navigate this relationship. I think it's incredibly inappropriate for Scott to be dating somebody who's 19. And I think so much of it does have to do with like the typical Hollywood dating so much younger. But I think for Scott, a huge element of it is like the fact that he never has to get serious to anybody that isn't Courtney.

Yeah. And how does he, how does she even? I mean, I don't think I could handle that. My ego is way too big to be in an Amelia type situation. You know what I mean? Where it's like, A, even to not be shipped publicly, like no one ships you. No one. Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, I guess the thing that I always, because I agree, like, this goes without saying, like, I forget, this isn't our podcast, so people don't know. Like, just to make it very clear, I think that him dating a 19 year old is, like, beyond inappropriate. So let me get that out. I think for Amelia, though, I'm going to give her a little bit more credit. And I'm going to say that the attacks are never against her specifically as a person. It's much more, right. It's much more about the age difference and about what it kind of like represents. And so honestly, this isn't, to me, this is not. a crazy theory. To me, this is not like some sort of just blanket statement. Look at Lisa Renna, who I absolutely adore. She has been so public and so clear in saying, like, she does a lot of shit for fame. She loves the fame. If you're Amelia and you're following in your mother's footsteps, this is quite literally the best thing that you can do from a fame perspective. This blew her up to a whole world to people that didn't know who she is. So is it a business move? I don't know.

Of course there's an imbalance in power. Of course, that's very real. And to me, really, disgusting and hard to wrap my head around. That being said, I don't know. There's a part of me that thinks she doesn't give a shit what he feels towards Courtney because she recognizes what the deals with this and coming out of it, she'll still be far more famous and her Instagram following will be far more higher than it ever was. I wonder though, as much as on paper what you're saying is 100, you're still a person and

you still have feelings and you still want to be loved. Like I wonder how much you can separate it, you know, even if you're like, shit, I know I could get shit out of this that is wild. It's still, I'm, I still am, like, naive in that way that I'm like, but, like, I'd be jealous, but, like, I'd feel crappy, you know? Like, even if there's so many plus sides that she is getting out of the relationship, I still, I'm still looking at it super like, just blanket. They are together for real.

Like you said, I agree. It's inappropriate. And I always say, and I don't know if it makes me feel better or worse, but, like, the hate or the shade isn't towards Amelia. It's towards Scott. who's dating another 19-year-old. And it just is, and again, we see other elements of kind of a spiraling situation with the hair dying and like, whatever, whatever.

But I do want to before, because I know we could talk about, dissect every little thing. There is a huge other thing going on right now with Chloe and Tristan. There is, again, a cheating rumor that Tristan cheated again in December or January of this year. What do you girls make of that? And do you believe it? You know, we were just, we were just saying this like, obviously Tristan has done nothing for us to ever give him the benefit of the doubt. So I'm not going to give him the benefit of doubt. That being said, let's just see some receipts and then kind of go from there.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised. Of course, my heart wants to tell myself that it's not true and that this is a very easy cloud chasing move if that's the goal. But then again, I really started to come around to liking Tristan. I felt that it was the kind thing to do to Chloe to get behind the man that she's so clearly in love with. At the same time, I don't know. Is he a raging narcissist that is never going to learn from his behavior and his delusion coupled with his narcissism is going to end up in this? Maybe.

Like, I just, I don't know if it's true. I would be zero percent surprised if it was, though, but I pray it's not. Because it is really hard to be like, okay, this girl goes on a podcast or Instagram thing or whatever she did and it's like, oops, I had a thing with Tristan in December or January. She knows it's going to get her clout. She knows it's going to get her people talking. She's obviously like trying to be in the industry. So yes, could it be as easy to say as, you know, people do that kind of shit too?

They look for fame in the weirdest and most bizarre of places. And if it's to say that she hooked up with someone. But there's also the, if there's smoke, there's fire. And would somebody just make it up out of thin air just to get clout or just to, we don't know. So again, that's why I don't feel like anybody's giving it too much of a thing. Because in his first cheating scandal, we had him quite literally in the bosoms of some chicks, right? We had the photos, like they may have been a little bit blurry, but it's like goodbye. Then the Jordan thing, we had, again, evidence.

We had people that were there. Like, right now we have a girl saying it happened. So it still sucks to be Chloe right now. Yeah, it does. And that's also the other thing that we were saying where we were like. Like, if he, because the thing that she had followed up with was saying that he inboxed her when he found out about the interview. It was like, if he inboxed you and you're already spilling this, post the inbox. Let me see it.

Like, it's not that I believe it's not like I'm sitting here like Tristan would never do that. We all know Tristan would do that. It's just if you're going to pick one single person in Hollywood that will 100% guaranteed to get you clout is the Kardashian family and picking somebody along with them. And also, if you pick Tristan, like, there's not one single person who's going to jump to his defense to say he didn't do it. Like, everyone's going to believe it. It's the most easily believable story you could tell. So, like, I could understand if it isn't true, let's just say, how she arrived at picking that person to go after. Right.

So we're still out on that is what we're saying. Yeah, I just want to seriously. I mean, I'm not saying it's not true. I obviously would be crazy to be like, yeah, like post the DM. Just like, let me get it. Post the fucking DM. Right. Right.

That's, that's what I want to see. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think, before you go, what do you think about the Hulu-Kradashian partnership? Are we going to see a keeping up or are we going to see a cooking show produced a Kylieian stormy baking cookies? Like, what are, are we going to see a K-U-W-T-K continuation or are we going to see something else?

I hope it's the cookies. Yeah, I mean, I would have said, you know, a month ago or so when we were talking about this, absolutely, definitely not keeping up. We thought that it would be a lot more of them in a producing role. So maybe Kim with some of her criminal justice work, maybe Chloe with some of her working out, you know, all of their niches and they'd be able to focus on that. And then Kim and some of her tweets made it sound a little bit more like, no, this is just going to be a continuation.

So I don't really know. I definitely don't think it'll be keeping up, but maybe I'm just an idea. or maybe I'm just hopeful, but I'm praying that it'll be less of just the producer role and maybe a little bit more of a reality type thing of their life. I don't know, though. Yeah, me too. And Emma,

another thing that I heard you say, which I was like, a hundo, a hondo, a hondo is you were like, if we don't get any fucking inkling of a crevice, like something, something by the end of the season,

the year would be really upset, like that we want something, even if at the end, literally, credits are going to roll, but she's like, Travis asked me out. Like, do you think there's a chance that we're going to get something, like something of the beginning of their relationship on the season? I am literally prank. I definitely think there's a chance.

And let's not forget the Andy Cohen reunion, which I know has kind of like the Bachelor, most dramatic season ever tuned to it. But Andy keeps saying, like, no, really, this was a lot. And even he quoted what Kendall said and what Kylie said. I think if we don't get it in the season, we will get something in the Andy interview. That's what I'm hopeful about.

Oh, true. Because Andy does go there and I hope that he goes there the way that he goes there with like Bravo peeps that he'll feel as comfortable going there with the Kardashians. But listen, at the end of the day, I know your girls feel the same way as I do, which like I would literally watch the Kardashians shaking their salads

and saying, yeah, forever and ever and ever, I will eat up anything that they give me. So it doesn't really matter. No, we're not going to feel guilty for it. Like, it's our form of escapism. And you know what? It's been a really fucked up year.

And like, if that's what allows you to take your mind off of what's really going on, I think that that is okay for it. I don't feel guilt about it. No guilt here, people. So I'm sure everyone follows comments by celebs. But if you don't, what are you doing with your life? Emma and Julie, thank you so much for coming. on. We love you. Thank you for having you. Give Noah a kiss for us.

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