Not Skinny But Not Fat - Kristen Doute: Mommy, Mamacita?

Episode Date: July 29, 2025

Kristen Doute is back on our screens with a baby, a fiancé, and The Valley drama to unpack. She opens up about motherhood, her surprise engagement, and how it feels to be filming again. We get into her rocky dynamic with Janet, Jax’s exit, Danny’s drinking, and Scheana’s new book.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.House Marg Summer is here. Time to stock up! Go to www.astraltequila.com to find Astral near you - and don’t forget the limes! Please Enjoy Responsibly. ASTRAL Tequila. 40% Alcohol per Volume. Diageo, New York, NY.Visit CleanSimpleEats.com and use code NOTSKINNY20 at checkout for 20% off your FIRST order.Find your new summer uniform at jennikayne.com. And our listeners get 15% off your first order when you use code NOTSKINNY15 at checkout. Let getting dressed be one less thing to worry about.Project Runway – July 31st on Freeform, stream on Hulu and Disney+Head to Knix.com and use code AMANDA15 for 15 percent off your order.Earn points on rent and around your neighborhood, wherever you call home, by going to joinbilt.com/notskinny. Make sure to use our URL so they know we sent you.Let OLLY support you & your crew this season. Shop at OLLY.com or retailers nationwide.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Hey, hey, hey, and happy Tuesday, you guys. How's everybody doing today? I am exhausted. Thanks for asking.

It's actually concerning. You know, when you're so exhausted, you feel like you've been drugged and you're like, this is what it feels like to be drugged. However, I felt like this in my life, either when I was pregnant, which I'm not, so don't even. I had COVID, like, a couple weeks ago and actually didn't share it on Instagram, which is so bizarre. I realized in retrospect that I didn't share it, and I was like, oh, my God, who am I? Like, see, I make fun of, like, the fact that I'm not mysterious, but here I am being so fucking mysterious. It just feels like people don't, like, talk about that anymore.

You know what I mean? Like, COVID. But anyway, I think it exhausted me completely. My whole family got it one by one. But it was pretty easy, knock on wood. Like, Husb and Noah had, like, a one-night situation. Lenny's also, like, teething at every point in time. so I didn't know if it was that or the teething.

And I had like a really bad migraine for like 24 hours. And now I'm just like exhausted. Like the exhaustion stayed with me. I will say long COVID does scare me just because the only other time in my life that I had COVID, I had long COVID and I had those gut issues that I wouldn't shut the fuck up about. I literally had H. pylori and CBO from COVID. so I'm kind of traumatized by just any lasting effects of it. I have a random story that I wanted to tell you guys just because it, like, here's the thing.

I've spoken about this before. Like, I love celebrity news and gossip and stories that come out of Hollywood and movies and TV and reality and all that. And here's the thing, like, I love the normy shit too. Like, I'm just a curious person, and I think that's what drives me and motivates me in work and in life. Like, I'm just so curious. So somebody that I know is having a baby. So the guy told me about the fact that his wife is pregnant. And I work with this guy, so I see him pretty often.

But anyway, and I'm only saying it in this elusive way because it doesn't matter who it is, but also because, like, they haven't shared it with the, with the world yet. But my point is, so he told me about his wife being pregnant and he showed me the video of showing his parents and the mom is like this like super cute Italian, like, loud woman. She's screaming. She's screaming. She's like, how am I like, so sweet. I was like, this is so sweet.

And I seen the video that, like, this guy that I thought I kind of, like, knew. And I was like, I feel like he would be a mama's boy. Like, he would, like, give his mom a big, fat hug. And he's, like, giving her this, like, weird. awkward one-handed hug and then like walking off and I'm like wait rewind and I keep on going back and I'm like what are you doing here like you're not hugging your mom like why aren't you hugging your mom why are you walking away like why are you being weird and I'm so annoying and like braging him and if that's a word and he was like kind of just looking at me blankly and

even maybe his eyes were watering a little bit and I was like what is this what is this why are you doing this to your mom like your mom deserves more she's screaming what is like i didn't see you like this i thought that you would be more like emotional and warm and he's like can i just explain myself for a minute i was like okay and he was like her reaction made me so emotional that i started getting choked up and i like didn't want her to see that or the rest of the people in the room see that and the minute he said it it clicked because my husband would act the same exact fucking way and i was like men or such as much as we try to make them out to be like not complicated creatures they are so

fucking complicated in the way that they think because it's so different than us like them not letting themselves emote like stopping themselves from emoting like they rather come off like cold-hearted than like warm and sensitive you know it just blew my mind and I said to him I was like first of all like I'm sorry if I made you feel bad but I really think you should tell your mom like how about like when you see her like please tell her like mom my reaction you know just you know it's because i got emotional not because i'm a fucking weirdo anyway the conversation continued into another thing i wanted to share because then i was like your mom is so excited is she going to come is she going to help blah blah blah he was like yeah

she's so excited she's oh and then i got this feeling just from the way that he was talking about his mom like being involved that there's no way the chick's mom is like around do you get what I'm saying you got what I'm saying right you know you get where I'm getting on I'm getting at orphan motherfucking wife okay that's what I'm getting at my theory okay so I go to him like wait is your wife's family like not involved because like your mom sounds like she's really planning on like being super involved he was like yeah yeah and he told me that she's pretty much an orphan I was like wait, you're telling me that you're living my real life theory. And I go to him like, of course your mom is fucking that excited because she fucking

has an orphan daughter-in-law. She knows she has no competition. She's going to be living with you. Like, it all added up. I love when my theory plays out. I'm telling you guys, like, listen to me. I know what's good. Even in this past day, you guys have tagged me so much in this new research that came out that

said that your odds of having like a boy. or a girl aren't actually 50-50 as previously mentioned and that once you have like one gender, it's way more of a chance that you would have the same gender. Duh, that is what I've literally been saying. So anyway, I'm a genius. What else is new? I will tell you something very sad this week, aside from the deaths and threes, which is just wild.

In Hollywood, we had Hulk Hogan pass away, which like we all kind of like grew up on him and family. Do you remember when Brooke Hogan came out with a song? It wasn't a bad song. I'm pretty sure it's still in my, like, favorites. Hulk Hogan. Oh, God, I'm blinking. Who else passed away? Ozzy Osbourne? And here's the thing about Ozzy Osbourne. He was on a farewell tour just now. Like, imagine going out on a farewell tour. It's like also double meaning like a farewell tour. Yeah, because you died, which is so great for, like, the people that got to see him for the last time that they got to see him for the last time. Obviously, so sad for him and for his family. He was a special guy, Ozzy Osbourne.

And my only thing is, like, did this farewell to or kill him? Like, I think it said that he died from Parkinson's, which he's had for a long time. But, but also, like, was that too much for his body? also the Crosby shows Malcolm Jamal Warner passed away this is the third in the most tragic way drowning he got caught in a riptide with his daughter his daughter got saved he did in Costa Rica I mean just seriously heartbreaking not to be like in a in a negative mood but if we are in a negative mood then another kind of really sad thing that happened this week that that breaks my heart along with many others is that e-news has been canceled after 34 years on air. Now, let me tell you what e-news has meant to me. Because as basic bitches, this will sound, and I don't care. Since I was a little girl manifesting and dreaming and being to Lulu,

I thought about e-news. I thought about being a host on e-news. And I think that's kind of what I created for myself when I started. like I'll be my own e-news. You know, I'll report on what's going on. I'll talk about it and I'll just do it myself, which has led me to, you know, this amazing thing that I do. But any chance I got to work with E-News,

whether it was on the rundown or carpets that I did with them, fashion week, or just the Kardashians, the cards catch up. By the way, e-news linear is being canceled. So nothing else, like not the digital stuff. But it was just a dream come true At any time I got to work with them I hope that I will get to work with them in the future But just so they know

And you know what you knew The television show and channel Has meant to me Like that was Mecca That was fucking Mecca for someone like me And I know for a lot of other people So it's sad and deserves a moment Now to move on to today's guests

I am shocked that in all the years and I texted her this and I go, in all the years, that in all the years, I didn't fucking have Kristen motherfucking dody on the show. How? How didn't I have Kristen Doty? I don't know, but she's on today.

She's back on her screens. She has a baby. She has a fiance. She's on the Valley. And she's here to unpack the drama. We're going to talk about motherhood to her sweet baby, Kyya. That surprise engagement.

Was she surprised? Did she shower? She happy she showered. Also ask her about that Jack's departure, what she thinks about that. Danny's drinking. Why and how and why she sticks up so hard for Danny and Nia. Her dynamic with Janet, which is really no-gueno. And her thoughts on Sheena's new book and Brock's affair.

And she has some thoughts because you know Doty, she's savage. What do you guys think of? when you think of Chris and Doty from Benderbram Brolls, I think of suck a dick when she tells Diana.

Anyway, she's fucking savage and she's here enjoying my conversation with Kristen Doty. There she is. Ladies and gentlemen,

she's here. No, no. I just texted you today. I was like, in all of the years. How? It's wild. Why?

I don't know. I don't. know you so well. It's so, like, I feel like we've hung out. I know. No, we haven't met. This is the truth, though. We haven't met IRL. You haven't been on my podcast. What the fuck? What the fuck? And also shit happened. Like, she hasn't been on. Then we planned it one time, like something happened with you. And then something happened with, like, we're here. And even though we're not physically, this is the best we could do. Yes. But I'm, I'm here for it. It's like, it's like, it's, It's like you're right here in the nursery with me. In the nursery. Mama, mamacita? Monastita. Wait, so how many months is Kaya now?

She is almost six weeks. That's it. Oh, my God, that's it. It feels like a lot longer. She's only six weeks. I feel like I've had her for a lot longer. Is that weird? We love her name, by the way.

Love the name. How did you decide on that name? I don't know. It just came to me. Like, I liked the name Lily. I didn't like it for a first name. And then I was like, oh, I love Calla Lilies. And I was like, that's a weird name.

And then I'm like, oh, Kaya means the C in Hawaiian. Not that we're Hawaiian, because we're not. But we got engaged in Hawaii and then it all just kind of fell into place. And it was like a very, yeah, just very, very, very little what I want for. for her, like this, I want her to be, like, adventurous and earthy and outgoing and I don't know, I don't know if you hear screaming in the background, but newborn trenches. How are you doing for a simple mom? I mean, really good. I mean, she's sleeping five hours a night for the most part, like this last

week, which is just every time I'm like, bless it. Like, we just slept five hours because she slept five hours. And that is like I slept 10 hours. oh my god totally and don't i mean it's going to start soon it's so weird it's like how are you doing kaya's sleeping five hours a night like that's your answer but it's so true it's like those early days like how are you doing you're like well i got two hours of sleep like that's life like just trying to fucking sleep but i will tell you this christin you end up sleeping and it ends up being okay you know what i mean whenever that happens so don't let anybody ask you if she's sleeping through the night. If somebody asks you that, stab them. I want to stab them. Like, I want to,

for real. Some people will be like, my baby was born sleeping through the night. Oh, my baby was slept. Like, my baby wasn't colicky. Oh, your baby's gassy. My baby was so good. You should try X, Y, and Z. You should try. We got it. We try all the stuff. We talked to the pediatrician. If I wanted your advice, I would ask. Do you feel like, Kristen, like you were meant for this? because we all know, like, how long you wanted to have a baby for. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Like, I don't want to be the mom that's like, we're so connected.

But, like, we, she and I really are. And I had a shit pregnancy. I was really worried after I gave birth that I would feel, like, I was worried that it was going to be like my engagement, right? I didn't have this, like, great engagement where I was like, oh, it's so perfect. And I was like, yes, ah, ha, ha, ha, right? So when I think Wait, wait, wait, why do you think

your engagement wasn't perfect? Because of what? Because I said fuck. Like it wasn't this like romantic bachelor. But you showered. But you showered. I showered today and I showered for my engagement.

Right. So first of all you showered. Let's look at Bright Side. You showered for your engagement. Wait, you said fuck at what point like immediately remind me. Yeah. I said, what the fuck?

And then I said, sorry. So I didn't even realize, like, watching it back. And then I was like, sorry for saying fuck. I wouldn't even think about that. Why did you care that you said, fuck? That's you. It's just, I know, but like, it's not, why not just like, I'm happy? Like, why do I have to cuss? Like, chill out. You know what I mean? And so with Kyya, I was like, had this anxiety about what if I don't cry happy tears when they lay her on me or what if I'm not like, we're soul connected and all of these feelings? And, And I didn't, should be honest, I didn't, like, feel some way like that.

But now that I have her, I do. Yeah. For sure. You were worried that it might not be this, like, that it won't be, like, as romantic as it should be. It's interesting. Whenever people post the hospital plaque and are like, I loved you from the moment, I'm like, like, literally meet the baby first. Like, meet the baby, have a few days with the baby, then be in love, okay?

Because when the baby first comes out, you are actually being sewn or like placenta delivering or whatever the fuck you're doing. You are not in love yet. You're dealing with a lot of things. What I barely remember, I remember the pushing part and then kind of just watching them like weigh her and watching them take her to Luke and like, yes, holding her or like having her on me. But yeah, even when we tell the birth story, I make Luke tell half of it. because I feel like I don't remember, I know that I don't remember some of it. How was he like as a supportive partner in the room?

Did he handle it well? Yes. Like he just was, so during the actual like pushing part, which was only nine minutes, he was just standing next to me. And I remember him just, whatever my doctor said,

he said. So when it was like, push, push. And Luke was like, yeah, like do that. It was, yeah. I mean,

I was induced. So it was kind of by the book, like, this is what's happening. Now this is happening. Why were you induced? Did you go over the due date? No, because. So when I found out I was pregnant, my doctor told me it was like the only thing that he was going to harp on me about my age is that he would not let me go full term and definitely

not passed because after the age of 40, I guess like your placenta stopped supporting itself. So that was just a worry. And in the very beginning, I'm like, okay, so we'll go. he's like a week early, tops, but probably I'd like you to go a week early. And by when I hit like 34 weeks, I was like, how really can we go? Can we go like now? And then 36 weeks and then at 38, I was like, can we go two weeks early? He's like, we don't need to. Like, you're fine. Why? Because you were so uncomfortable? Oh, I was massive. I thought I was huge at six months. No. Like, no, no, no, no.

I was so uncomfortable. I was seeing an orthopedist because I had, like, serious rib pain where I couldn't breathe, I couldn't cough, I couldn't sneeze. It was just stabbing me and I was crying every day. I was getting, like, steroid injections and lytocaine injections. And I don't know what I thought, like, happened, but it was just pregnancy. Do you understand now what I love to say, Kristen, men could never? Never. Never. Never.

I was just having rib pain. I'm like, mm-hmm, yeah. Because it's like normal that you like would feel that you can't breathe and just have to deal with that. And just like... Or really fucking long time. I'm like, when I say her feet are in my ribs

all day and all night, and I'm like, the gloriousness of pregnancy. It's so wonderful. Like, really during my pregnancy, watching Kylie, like on Instagram, but like listening to Kylie Kelsey's podcast when she was pregnant with her fourth as well. And she was like,

It's a means to an end. Right, right. She says that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I don't feel crazy. So I was pregnant at the same time as Sophia Ritchie.

And let me tell you, she does not give Kylie Kelsey vibes. I remember she posted like a like nine glamorous months or glorious, glorious. And I was like, so glorious. So fucking. So be thankful you had Kylie Kelsey as a pregnancy sister because I was just getting pissed. Just watch. I mean, we all did, but this season of the Valley that's out right now, you're talking about the struggles of getting pregnant, you know?

And even in this last episode, the word infertile being thrown at you. And I was like, how crazy that literally the finale, you know, ends with you talking about getting these results about them calling you infertile. And also you're saying, like, will I ever? will I ever and then I'm like it warms my heart so much like yes you will you did yeah I don't I don't know if I would be very okay watching all of that back had without having her right like thank God I mean I'm glad that I was opening up because in you know in real life not just filming it on the show when it was airing, but like doing that publicly on social media and talking about things was healing for me

after our pregnancy loss because the more I opened up, the more other women opened up. And it was like the positive side of social media was like really connecting with perfect strangers about things like that. And that's really why I did. It was healing for me and it was healing hearing from them. But then like looking back, if I didn't have her, I'd be like in a much different place. Yeah, there is, I mean, I so understand that side of sharing, but isn't there also the scary part of sharing that's also hearing all these negative stories and stories that you're like, okay, I love to know that I'm not alone, that it's normalized, but also like this is too normalized and, you know, I feel like that would kind of make me anxious. Oh, of course. Like, my anxiety has anxiety about stuff like that. And the people that don't believe my story, like, when I say that we did IUI and then we got pregnant the first time, it was like the amount of people that did reach out and were like, yeah, right.

She totally did IVF. I don't know why she's lying. That's so annoying about that. Lying about anything. But, come on. So it's that double up story, too. Yeah, especially because, yeah, you really shared so much of. the process. Like, we knew when you were ovulating, you know, and we're watching the show.

What about wedding planning? What? Are you, no? No, not there? No. Like, after newborn trenches. Yeah. Maybe we can talk about it. And then maybe wait until she walks so she could be flower girl. Like, we do, we do, like, fantasize about it. Like, just the where is where we're at right now. The where and the like, how many is the only place that we're at. Is there a part of you that's like, fuck it? Let's go to City Hall and get this shit. Get this shit on the road. No?

No. I feel like we deserve more. Like, we met at a wedding. I'm like, I want us to have, especially now having Kaya. Like, I want photos. Like, I fucking love that name. Every time you say that name, I'm obsessed. Thank you.

And what about this Luke guy? We need to talk about him because he comes on and I feel like he's, such a different vibe than what we're used to on reality TV. However, the man is leaning in. Like, he's leaning into the show. He's, like, giving in scenes, like, in the drama. Like, he's holding his own in this very crazy world. Did you ever predict that he would, like, be on TV with you in this way?

No. Well, did I predict he'd be on TV? I hoped so because. I knew we were going to jump into the valley when we met. And if he didn't, it was going to be a really tough go for us. Like, I can't do this show head first and then be like, oh, and I have this guy. You're never going to see him, though. Yeah.

But I didn't think he would lean in as much as he is and really just kind of like throw his hands up and go, okay, fine. But I think it's the given take because for him, it was like, do you swear we won't live in L.A. forever. And I'll do this show thing because I said, like, this is a must for me. And he was like, well, a must for me is we're not raising a family in Los Angeles. So I'm like, okay, cool. Okay. But are you going to really uphold your promise? Oh, yeah. I'm, it's like now that I have Kaya in like the days that go by that I hear like a firework outside. And I'm like, was that a gun? or just the dirtiness of the city and just certain things like we don't have land

and it's not the way he and I grew up so things have shifted dramatically in even five weeks. Really? But like not maybe time soon, but before she's school age, you think you will. Yeah, for sure.

Will you allow filming with her on the show? Yeah, she's not going to remember this. And it's just like, Like, what a sweet video yearbook? I mean, having him proposed to me on the show, which I actually told him about a year before that, if I knew he was going to propose at some point, but like, whenever you're going to do it, I said, I don't want it on the show. I feel like it's going to take away, like, the sanctity of, like, what's real for us.

And I just, ew, no, I don't want it to be a part of the show. I didn't know how much pull he would have or, like, if there was something that was going to upset him because things had to be a certain way because we're still filming a show. I was thinking about all of this year ahead of time and I said absolutely not on the show. Now, looking back, thank God, because I have this amazing 4K video. So he didn't listen to you, though, which is funny.

And he shouldn't. He has better than on too. Wait, that's so funny. You were like, whatever you do, absolutely do not film it then goes ahead and films it. So many people had reactions to that engagement video. Some people were like, oh, my God, you really didn't know because like you weren't turning around.

you know? Like you didn't. And there were some annoying people that were like, oh, she's so new, right? Yeah, that I faked it. I'm fully in the Reddit thread zone. They're like, that's why she stayed turned around for so long. Like, was she really looking for dolphins or whales or whatever?

Just blah, blah. Again, let me just reiterate, the first words out of my mouth wouldn't have been fucked. Yeah. You would have, you would have been like, oh, lo, you would have. I also just would have looked cuter. I mean, you weren't debating up to shower or not like we just talked about. We'll be right back after the break.

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And we're back. Are you bummed at all that like, because I'm assuming you weren't filming throughout your pregnancy, right? That hasn't happened. Right. So you don't have that as like the yearbook or the birth or anything or you're okay with that. Oh, thank God.

I don't want to look back on my pregnancy at all. Why? Why do you say that? First trimester, I was mentally unwell. It was, I've never been, I could never prepare myself for what that did. Like, I started feeling crazy. I went back to my, like, I went to my therapist and I was like, I feel like crazy, Kristen. I feel like all those, all those tools in the toolkit that you gave me, they're gone.

Bominos, nope, they don't exist. I am right back to where I was, I'm screaming at Luke. Luke was like, I don't know who you are. And I was like, I don't know who I am. I don't know who this is. Second trimester was a gem. Glorious. Probably like 20 weeks on.

Third trimester, physically, absolutely miserable. Wait, and what about when you gave birth, you didn't feel those hormones? Like, because those first few days at home were you, how were you hormonally? So I've been on Lexapro, back on Lexapro since second trimester. Oh, wow. Which is the first thing I could have done because I'd been off of it for a little while. And then I honestly, I just, even now, I'm just trying to stay like nonstop busy. I didn't give myself like a day to like, or like five days in.

Why are you trying to say nonstop busy? I don't want to be still with my thoughts. It's like, I've cried. I've had moments for sure. But, like, I don't want to, I don't want to let myself go down a path of, like, no, nope. I'm just like, oh, baby laundry, dishes, this, that, whatever. Yeah. You're trying to keep it.

That helps you to, like, stay busy. Wait, so you went off Lexa Pro years ago, or did you do that because you wanted to, like, get pregnant without being on meds? Or I went from Lexport to Welbutrin. When I try, when we try getting pregnant the first time, when we. succeeded. And for whatever reason, my doctors recommended the well-but-you-turn-over-thel-X-Pro, and I said, okay, sure, well, whatever. Which was, looking back, was odd. I just didn't really know enough about my medication to realize it was the anxiety, not the depression. And then in the beginning of my second trimester, I was talking to my friend, my friend Becca,

Becca Fox, who is, she's an author, and she's a therapist, and she writes books on like postpartum, baby blues, et cetera. And she connected. And she connected. me with a reproductive psychiatrist. And when I told them about, I told her about the fact that I was like off of this SSRI, but I was on well-buter and she was like, why don't you have a conversation with your doctor? So I did. And I said, this is what she recommends.

He said, let's do it. And about four weeks later, I felt like a new person. Oh, wow. And I know that, I know that second trimester is a lot easier, at least for me it was. but I think it really was like the combination of being off the progesterone that I was on extra progesterone my first trimester second trimester just chilling out but also being on the lexpro definitely and you felt like like there was something in you second trimester that you were like you were feeling extra anxious extra anxious extra depressed no first trimester and then

the beginning and I think it was like obviously the hormones were a huge thing and And, I mean, as you know, it's like for me, second trimester was like, now I have a baby bump and my hormones have chilled out and everything just kind of falls into place a little bit more and you're not, or I wasn't like physically uncomfortable. So there's just so sweet spots about second trimester that it was like, this is what I thought pregnancy was going to be like. Well, by the way, I was also on SSRIs for both my pregnancies. So thank you for talking about it, normalizing it. Obviously, anybody listening, talk to your doctor. But what was told to me when I was debating was healthy mommy, healthy baby. So to keep the mom healthy, if that's physically and mentally.

And with anything, there's like benefit versus risk. And the benefit tends to outweigh the risk when it comes to S is right. I mean, everyone on my mental health, you know, pregnancy team was like a good mom is a less stressed mom. Right. The least stressed out that you can be the better. And you never know also like, did this, you know, maybe it's saving you on this postpartum journey as well. You know what I mean? That's what I think.

I'm like, knock on what I was good postpartum and didn't have postpartum depression. don't know what would have been if I wasn't on anything. Like, I don't know, you know. Oh, same. Same. I just had the conversation with my doctor the other day. Like, here's the postpartum checkup. How is it going with the lexapro?

And I told this exact thing to him. Like, it was like after the month, I've just been great. And I think this is where we need to stay. Yeah. It's good for me. Good for her. I love that. Obviously, you guys, Kristen was off our screens for a few years there.

How many years were you? away for three years. What was that like in general coming back from the Valley after that hiatus? Did you come in super excited, ready to fucking go? Were you nervous?

All of the above. Like D, all of the above. I was stoked. I was ready personally, but I was really afraid of the reception that people weren't going to be ready for me. It's so funny that you say that

because I will take you saying, then put a clip of you literally going fucking wild. I was so scared of them. I was so scared. Cut to Kristen being like, she had a fucking boyfriend or whatever the fuck you did the first season. We love her. We love her.

I can't help her. I don't know who I am. Did you plan on not going in as hard and then you just couldn't help yourself? Or were you, I'm back and I'm going to be the same bitch I fucking always was. Fuck you, Diana. whatever the her name was? I am and was even, you know, season one, like just such a different person than I was in 2019, in 2012, like, just a completely different person.

So I was just going to be exactly who I was. And I think the break in hindsight was, like, totally necessary. I mean, we all obviously had to deal with COVID and all of that. But, like, even my dating decisions around that time, like, I wasn't, I wasn't in a good place. Like, I wasn't dating correctly. I wasn't necessarily hanging out with all the right people. I had to, like, go through it to, like, come back out on top. Yeah.

And really, like, love myself and be ready to take on new things. Yeah. So when we started filming, I was just like, it's like writing, it's like writing a book. But, like, it's whatever the analogy is, it was just like, put the mic back on. I know how to be me. Like, no one's better to be. I mean, you, thank God for you. Thank God for you.

I mean, you really bring it on the show. And the first season of the Valley, I mean, did you expect it to be such a hit? Because it was really like, it was really, you know, when they announced it, it was like, okay, let's see. Obviously, we have you, but a lot of newbies and we don't always love the newbies. And then, I mean, that first season really kept everyone wanting more. Were you surprised by the perception? Yes, I was because I was really nervous because we don't like the newbies. And you do need to be invested in people to care.

Like me watching any reality show docu series or even like a scripted show. You know, it's like you have to be invested in the character. You have to really care in order to give a shit. And I was really afraid that there were a lot of us and that I didn't know the way the stories were going to go if people, if the viewers were going to be like, hmm, it's too much. There's too many people. How can I possibly care?

Right. And that I didn't think it would tank by any means. Like, I knew it would do well, but I was just nervous on how well it would be received. Right. People were going to care of that much and that it may take us a few seasons to like, you know, hit it off. Well, you helped the stories along. I mean, with season one, there was the whole Michelle boyfriend drama.

This season, this season, there's a lot of drama between you and Janet. Where are you with Janet now? Because the finale, you called her a fan girl. You said he wanted to like fuck her up. It was no bueno. Yeah. I mean, we're in the same place. Yeah.

Yeah. And the thing is, we filmed the reunion early, obviously. I'm sure as many people know. And if you don't know, we did film the reunion when Nia and I were still pregnant. And looking back now that I've been able to really watch the episodes because we were given all the episodes ahead of time, but you're like cramming, like cramming for your final. It's like, here's 15 episodes in two weeks. And you don't have time to digest everything. And then also watching the after shows now, there are so much more than I would have said at that

reunion. And some things I would take back. And you'll know exactly. what's what when you see her community in accordance to specifically to Janet. What's a deal with her though Kristen? You used to be friends. Like you used to literally be best friends. Did this all flip because of what we're seeing on the show

or did this, did others should happen that make you like distance yourself from her? I don't know if I really knew Janet ever or if she's just changed. Like, I don't know if, like, she was showing me someone that she's really not,

and this is the real Janet, you know, or vice versa. I'm not sure. But it was when we started filming season one, I'm like, who are you? This is such a different person than the person that I was friends with on so many levels, not even just like the drama of it all, because she is dramatic and she is, she is attention seeking. But not in a way that irks you. It's like in a way this very like self-admittedly and kind of like you know it's almost cute in a way because she's like honest about it yeah this nastiness the attacking the holier than thou and mostly and i've said this a million times but this like attempt to be people that i was friends with and that i filmed my past show with it's like you're not stasi you're not la la it felt like she

she was trying to be like O.G. Vanderpump? Absolutely. Like in her way. You weren't around during that time. That's a fan. That's something that the fans came up with. Why are you crazy Kristen? It's wild to me.

Why are you calling Zach Lego head? Lego hair? Like that's something that the fans came up with in Reddit. It's like, it's insane. Like Lalo would say she's living in the common section? I mean, she is literally not even pitched a tent. Like her foundation is. there she's built like a city but you called her a fan but you knew she was a fan like now

now it's like an insult but you all knew like that she was a fan of the show at the beginning and that's how she kind of became friends with sheena and this and that but now it's kind of being you like used as a derogatory thing against her because because what it's not it's nothing to do with like actually enjoying vanderpump rules i don't care But why are you trying to, like, live vicariously through actual people's lives? And now that even when I look back, because I didn't know her as long as, let's say, Sheena knew her or maybe some other people, but now looking back, like, how many times she was actually on Vanderpump rules, like, in the background, doing this or doing that.

And I'm like, she really was trying to just be on the show. But it worked. She got on the Valley. It worked. Right. Sort of fine. It's just the level of, like, not being. authentic and trying to be someone that she's not, trying to be versions of people that I've

been friends with, and really just being a fake asshole. Like, she's an asshole. Is it, it sounds like the camera's turned on and she was like a different person? Yeah. And that's why I'm saying, like, maybe it is that the person that I was friends with that then didn't exist. That was the person she showed me. And this is really who she is. I don't. know. All I know is the person I see right now is not someone that I'm interested in. We'll be right back after the break. I am so proud of some of these amazing partnerships that I've been able to have in the past few years. And one of the brands that made the biggest impact on me is Nix. Nix is a women-built brand that came with the idea that all bodies

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Who earns Kristen riding this hard for them? Because you don't do it for everyone. Obviously, you're the type of person who, if you hate somebody, you're going to be like you are to Janet. And if you love somebody, you're going to ride so hard, maybe too hard. So how did Danny and Nia, because I feel like maybe we missed this, like, friendship progression, but, like, how did they earn you riding so fucking hard for them? They didn't have to earn it.

They're just, they're great people. They're such good people. And they are so authentic, authentically who they are. They, they ride in their own way, like, as friends to Luke and I. Like, it's because they're not going to, like, go knocking, you know, like, slamming doors down and, like, telling people that are going to beat them up. But, I mean, you see the way Nia is with me, sort of, like, just helping me along my fertility journey, for example.

Like, Nia has been, I mean, I don't know how I would have gotten them. through my pregnancy without her. And I didn't know for the first three months that she was pregnant. And so I was calling and complaining to her every day of my first trimester, crying, like just screaming, how much I hate it, like how miserable I am while she's literally pregnant a week apart for me the whole entire time. Oh, wow. She's been there for me every step of the way since we really, like, probably a year into us

becoming friends. It was just so natural. And she doesn't care that I have a sailor mouth. and that Luke and I aren't, you know, exactly like them. Right. We've spent time with the family. It's just they're so deserving of people, of someone to stand up for them in a crazy, messy crew like this.

But what do you think, Kristen? Because you said they're so authentic, but like all the accusations being thrown at them are the opposite. Everyone is kind of saying that they try to pretend to be perfect. I mean, Jack's in that finale. Oh. I don't know what he's projecting. onto them, but he, well, there was also the episode where Britney was pissed that, you know,

that Nia was saying that Danny was just sleeping, but he was actually drunk. It does seem like they've had moments with people saying, you're not being completely honest, you're trying to seem perfect. Are you saying that there is none of that with them? You think they are who they are in the, like, completely authentically? Absolutely. And I think it is so healthy for their marriage and something that I strive to have with Luke, something I look up to so much that in private, trust me, they call each other out.

Just because they're not slamming each other or Nia's not, you know, on the show, like, Nia's not insulting Danny in front of people, in front of other people. Like, that would be bad shit. That's like every relationship I've had pre-Luc. And you've seen on the Valley that like when Luke and I, even though there's cameras up, when Luke and I are at home on the couch, he's not easy on me, but he will ride for me. in front of anyone else. But, Kristen, in that finale,

when everything gets heated, I don't know if you ended up watching, when everything gets heated at the restaurant, at the Michelle's party, like, Nia was like, their cameras, their cameras. So it even feels like

that kind of became part of their story, too, like worried about cameras, worried about coming off, not as good, you know what I mean? That's more like, Nia with like their families. Like,

this isn't something they pictured themselves doing. There's a lot of cussing. There's a lot of, like, just not the way that they are normally. Like, you see that Nia doesn't really drink that often, if at all. Danny, same thing, truly. It's what drove me crazy about the whole... The drinking thing?

The laundry thing. Like, a dad of three toddlers can't get drunk. What do you think that was? I mean, watching Janet back trying to insinuate that he has... So what was that? Does she have something out for them? Was she trying to create a storyline? Like, what was she doing?

I think she was trying to create a storyline. What do we know about Janet and Jason and their family? Absolutely, nothing. So she was trying to pull like a Lala where Lala, like, talks about other people so she can keep her shit private. That feels like the vibe. You would not let her say the S-A forward to you about Danny. You were about to trip down those fucking stairs on the boat. You were like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

You did not want her to even start to put that out there. No. Like, who does she think she is? Like, you can't, you can't just, like, pop on national television with millions of viewers and start, you want to talk about slander? You want to talk about defamation, wife of a workman's complex? Right. Like, shut up. You can't just say that about someone.

I know. That is kind of wild. I mean, even... It was never up to her. It was like she weaponized Jasmine and Melissa's situation for storyline. Like, for clout.

Danny and Nia at that party, hear Jacks. I mean, Jacks goes over to Danny and starts laying into him about the drinking. What was that?

Dude. I mean, even thinking, about the episode prior when the guys are at Jack's, like, rooftop at his pound house or whatever. And he's telling this story.

Like, I started feeling crazy. It was like he was literally making the story a pursuit. He's like, Nia called me five times and screamed at me. And Danny this. And Danny, you know, calls me and tells me my marriage isn't perfect and how to fix my marriage.

And it's like, in what world did any of that happen? He also said that Danny got kicked out of his bar a few times and was feeling up girls. What, that's made up, Kristen? Yes, of course. And his partners were, like, about to, they weren't worried about getting sued. Trust me, I know his partners. No. Wait, so, none of it.

So Danny doesn't even remotely have a drinking, like, not even, I'm not saying drinking problem, but like, he doesn't get black. He's never been kicked out of Jacks's bar. I mean, what, what is all this? No, it's, it's all bullshit. like you obviously know Danny has done things it's on the show I don't need to reiterate like he's done some things he wasn't proud of he had to handle that with jasmine and melissa but think about the boat scene where janet's like and they even did this on the after show and janet was like well jason said x y and z and jason said no i didn't say that i never said that he's like

brittney and jared said it and brittie said well i didn't say that so janet said it so janet it's all coming back to Janet, making this up and pinning it on other people. Do you feel bad that she had to like, people think she fled the country. There was like a TMZ thing being like she fled the country. She left the, she like

went private on Instagram. Like she was getting, I think, a lot of hate. Was there any part of you that felt bad for her? I think maybe not by your face. I dealt with it for like a decade. This is the first year I'm being nice to me. And also,

She did this video that someone sent me when she was in Switzerland, I think it was with her family. And she was like, if you want to hear it from my mouth, rather than these articles coming out, you know, click the link for my podcast. Why did you do an interview with page six then? That's what everyone's talking about. No one's making up things about any of this. You literally did an interview with page six that quotes you. So what? Is anybody good with her?

I mean, is it hard to keep being friends with Brittany even though? she's good with her? It's not hard to keep in her friends with Brittany. No, I mean, I, Brittany and I have stuff to deal with. Brittany called me yesterday really upset about the scene at Lala's house where they show. Lala, Brittany's friend. Does that kill you when you see that? Like, is it wild the way that Lala, it says Britney's friend on the bottom?

So, yeah, her banner. Yeah, her banner, exactly. Gina's banners changed so many times this year, too. It's so good. But there's this scene, yeah, where they're all at Lala's house, and Janet says, like, I hope she thinks of me whenever she looks at her engagement ring. Right. And then they all start cracking up, and Brittany called me, and she was like, I just watched

the scene. There's no way that I cracked up about that. And I absolutely believe her. I mean, I've said it very publicly on the show, off the show. I don't think Britney rides for me the way that she rides for Janet. I'm tired of hearing from Britney, from a lot of my friends like, Kristen, you're just so strong.

We don't think you need us. Like, that's not the point. But do I think Britney would act like that over something like that? No, I don't. Also, it wasn't funny. So, also, it's not a funny joke. So maybe that's why.

Recently, Nick Vial said about the Valley, two page six, that everyone's a bunch of losers. However, he did say aside from Kristen and Luke, did that make you, how did that make you feel like, were you like, what the fuck? Were you happy? I was like, my dude. Thank you. I'm sorry, I'm not standing up for the rest of you for the last 12, 13 years.

No one's ever been nice about me. So stand up for yourselves. You'll be fine. I mean, you can really say that, though, because you've been through so much with the show that you're like, I've been through that. Like, I'm not saying everyone are leaers or I like agree with them. I'm just like, thank you, Mick. Appreciate it.

Speaking of you were saying Sheena before with the banner, which she just exposed that Brock cheated on her in her new book. Have you heard about this rumor before? You haven't. No, I had no idea. And a lot of our friends, like Zach called me and he's like, you've never heard this ever. Like, nope, absolutely not. I mean, that sucks. That's really, really sad.

the thing is I don't understand. I'm not like accusing anything. I'm not throwing that out there, but it's like if you and your husband got over this years ago, why now? I mean, I would answer for her. She wrote a book and she felt like that needed to be said as part of her story. What do you think? Why now? It feels, I don't know.

I mean, I'm not her, but I'm putting myself in that, in her position, if it were Luke and I. I cannot imagine being like, well, we've kept this, we've kept this between us and we've worked on our marriage. But now I'm just going to, like, throw you onto the bus.

Like the bus with, like, giant tires that have fucking spikes on them. Just drag you down the street. And trust me, I do not like bro. I don't like him. Oh, you don't like him? No, he's not my cup of tea. Like, we were friends.

Just like, no. And I really don't like that he did this to her. Like, she didn't, doesn't deserve that. And when she was pregnant, I mean, so, I have so many emotions about it. I just am like, why now? Like, people, you're a public figure. You film on the Valley. People are going to judge, are you ready and willing to talk about this for years and

years to come now? Would you want her to be a permanent fixture on the Valley? I am, I was definitely, like, against it in the last couple. of years past like her, Lala, but I feel like I've just like thrown my hands up. So if that is what is going to be, then I'm very open to it. And honestly, maybe it'll be for the better that as long as there's authenticity on their side, I think it could be really good for the show. Yeah. I'm worried because of what I've watched as a viewer on the last couple of seasons of Vanderpump, I felt like there was a lot of celebrity, and I've said this before, like celebrity about them.

and even Sheena coming out and saying that the finale of whatever season of Vanderpump, they scripted it, like, that shit's not going to fly on the Valley, not with me. But if they can both be for Sheena, especially, like, just be super authentic, I think it can, it could be really good for the show because there's a lot of history there. Well, that's what so, I think that that's when I asked you why the Valley, you know, how it was so good in the first season, I think it's because it was so authentic. I mean, all you need to know is two marriages. got fucked up that first season.

I mean, need you no more. Need you no more. Speaking of those two, one of those marriages, Jacks, you did say you would address his leaving the show. What do you have to say about that? I'm stoked. Like, it is the best thing.

It is absolutely the best thing for him and for the show. Really? I can't do another season of Jacks, like round 12. I can't do it. None of us can. Like, first and foremost,

Brittany. Brittany needs to actually move on with her life as best as can for herself and for crews. And filming with him one more time, it was like, what a circus. I mean, especially, sorry, no, especially after, you know, the altercation between them that got physical and the fact that she's scared to, it seems like she's uncomfortable being around him. Yeah, 100%. But she's not only one. You have a couple of Jack's apologists on our cast, and otherwise, no one wants to be around Jacks. So are you, like, done with him? Like, you

won't speak with him anymore? No, not at all. Do you think he's going to change his ways, Kristen? I hope so. I don't know. I really, really hope so. I think, I've said the whole last year that, like, the only thing I think that was going

to really, like, rip the rug up underneath him is if he lost his job or if he left the show. because it's fame and it's money, and those are the things that drive Jack's Taylor. So I think that the best thing for him is to just take a break. Yeah.

Like, truly, go into a facility for more than a month. Yeah. Like, really just pump the breaks because they're, I think that they'll give him, honestly, like, I would guess that they would give him an in again if he actually proved that something changed in the next year, but it's going to take more than 30 days. going to take a year. Kristen, thank you for coming on. It's so good to see you. You have that new

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