Not Skinny But Not Fat - KRISTEN STEWART IS NO BASIC B

Episode Date: March 26, 2024

THE Kristen Stewart joins me to talk everything from her career to her fave reality shows, normie freaks, and doing secret pushups in her trailer for her new starring role in the hot and juicy love story LOVE LIES BLEEDING, in theaters nowwwwProduced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Okay. Do you want me to, like, do something embarrassing or, like, have a nip slip or something. First of all, you might have a nip. You might have a nip slip. But I just posted today because they were coming and I was like, the person that's coming on the podcast is so cool. You don't think? Well, what, what am I to do with that? Okay. That I know you just be you. Me was like, how do I not be a basic bitch? And I was saying to the Instagram yesterday that you're too cool to be on. How embarrassing for you. I talked to the camera there. You're not even on it. And I was like this really cool, cool, cool, cool actress is coming on tomorrow. And I know you

haven't been pregnant. But I just feel like I can't even try to be cool right now because I'm pregnant. Really? Yeah. I can see that? Well, a second ago, you said you were fearful of being a basic bitch. Right. Oh my God. I'm really like opening up to you today. This is what happens. Really? Yeah. It's that soft-spoken. had to pull the mics up because we were speaking too softly to one another because we were being vulnerable. So, yes, because, okay, you give, I'm not a basic bitch, I don't even have basic bitch interests. I don't. I don't. I will say, I'm a lot of things and not all of them are the best. Yeah. That's not a pitfall is the, okay, the BB. Okay. I don't think for you either.

I think that's something that people say, like, I have friends that go like, I know I'm a lot. And I'm like, Get that out of your mouth. That is something that people say. That's such a chauvinist. I think that basic bitch is the meanest. You're right. It's, we need to, that's not. Okay.

Do you like any reality TV that you're not telling us about? For sure. I think I'm into, like, I think I've watched a couple episodes of sister wives. Oh, that's like niche. That's like on like TLC or something. I don't know what it's on, but it's deeply, deeply engaging. Okay. And like, okay, reality shows.

Can you name a first? you like bravo shows housewives unfortunately none of those really but i've like fucked with the kardashians a bit because my best friend is like obsessed and so then it's just comforting and watch the meat salad and like hang out so comforting yeah and also i have a tidbit that might or might not be true but there were days that you were hanging out with a kardashian is that true like hung around i've been around a couple of them yeah yeah i've been around a couple of them i yeah i'm not going to i was just going to say you're going to ask me my favorite. I was like, I don't have a thing. I know who it is, though. I'm going to decide. I'm going to tell

you who's your favorite. Okay, tell me. Courtney. Yeah, she just really makes me laugh. Yay. Well, she's my favorite, too. See? We're such basic bitches. So basic. So we love. What would be the less basic choice? For Kardashian? Yeah. Well, Kim would be like the obvious. Oh, right. She's not based. She's not basic. No. I mean, we need to delve deeper into what basic means. It doesn't mean anything. This is the problem. This conversation is completely like, just chauvinistic and gross. I mean, you know, there's like normie. I guess that's what I call people who I think are basic bitches. I'm like, oh, normie freak. Which is mean. That's the meanest thing. I clear, it's clearly coming from a place of insecurity where somehow that was like, that, that's the child

speaking in me, you know. Well, nothing to be insecure about. Kristen Stewart is here. You guys. I still can't believe it. I read about you, which makes sense to me. This adds up to me. that you weren't thinking of being famous. You were thinking of being in the industry, but more in the on the back end of it. I mean, I started when I was so little. You know what I mean? Like, the impulse wasn't like,

I want to be super famous. You know, I wanted to be on set. And then I got to be, which is so psychotic that that worked out. Then the famous thing is the least fun conversation to have ever because people are like, oh, cool. Oh, you don't like it. I'm like, no, I love my job.

Right. I love it so much, but, like, you know, there are people like Kim who take up space in the most natural way where they're just like, that thrust was so easy and like just was what it was supposed to be for that person. And then I was like, wait, I just truly want to make movies and I'm like bad at talking. If you could, if you could choose, you would be like an actress working, making the money, doing the art, but not having the fame and the tabloids and stuff like that. If I could like rewrite the world, I would like reformat things. But I like to share. I like to be out there. I have this like, I guess there's a sort of ironic push and pull between really wanting to feel like exposed and and like together with others in a way that is revealing. But then also like not stolen from and and not like commodified. This is too serious. But you want to choose like you wish you could choose. Like this is what I want to share. And then when people like pry and really like delve into your life. It's like a comic book. It's like a, you know, know what I mean? It's like, I guess it's, I was cast a long time ago in a sort of now outdated, irrelevant comic book called tabloids. And now, like, do those even exist? Like, I don't,

it doesn't, things have changed a lot. Yeah. Yeah. And so people are choosing now. This is such a basic convo. But I think Instagram has saved us all because it's just the fervor isn't as starting it. Right, because we're getting it. Yeah. We're getting it at all and more things that we didn't want. You know what I mean? We're getting it all. So speaking of Instagram, because back to you being too cool for social media, are you looking from somewhere else that isn't an account that we can find? Or do you not even fuck with it at all? I have an Instagram account. But I have one that I use. Like, it's just no public. And no one could ever know what it is. I think everyone knows because I have like thousands of friend requests. Like thousands and

So not everyone knows, but like people that would really like, you're saying if you did the research, you could find out. Definitely. Really? Many, many, many people know, yeah, for sure. Oh my God, I feel like such a bad. We could follow each other. Really? Yeah, for sure.

I think I follow like 500 people or something. And then I think at this point, I've really accumulated. I really need to do some housekeeping because over the years, I don't know, every movie, every, like, random. So you'll unfollow. someone for me, is what you're saying? I'm not going to unfollow anyone, but I might kick a couple people off of my, like, allowed to see my page thing. What is that called followers? Yeah, I might get rid of some followers. Stop, remove followers. Sam. Because I was going to ask you, I know your fiance has a, has an Instagram where she posts you. Yeah. So cute. I know. It's honestly,

because she has like a one that's private two. No, it's not. Oh. I'm like, I know nothing. So she has one that isn't the one that I'm speaking of that is private. Yes. Gotcha. Yeah. What a curtain pull for you. Don't you talk to people with private Instagrams? I'm sure.

This is just. So first of all, as you can say, I've built you up in my head to this like superhuman, cool, non-basic bitch. Right. Doesn't even look at social media. Doesn't have a phone person? I can like barely even talk and like it just like continuously roll my eyes while walking around. Okay.

Kristen Stewart has an Instagram. That makes me feel good. So you're up to date on like. pop culture and things i guess so i mean i follow a lot of like food instagram you do do you cook yeah really i love cooking yeah like healthy stuff or both yeah yeah yeah a nice balanced you know really healthy relationship with junk food and so what's your favorite meal to cook see this is what you ask people who don't cook because it's like a novel experience for them to be like oh yeah i made a curry i'm like i cook most that we cook most of our meals wow

Wow. Farmed a table? No, I'm not growing that shit. I grow some lemons. Really? No, but by the way, I don't cook. And if you ask me, but I wouldn't have an answer because I don't cook. So I'm, like, on the lower level than what you said. Would you remain alive if you were, like, stuck in an apartment that only had a pantry of basic? I can make eggs. Right. People that can't. I'm really afraid for them. For the, they can make the eggs and the sandwiches. No, I could do that. I could do that. If you know me, you know that.

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Okay, you guys have no idea where I'm going with this. I saw my hair there and I was like, oh. My God, like I had basically like a bald spot, like where the baby hairs are in the front. Thank you for not calling it out then and making me feel bad about myself. But it's a real thing. Like you lose hair. Hair thins out from, you know, variety of stressors of postpartum. For me, it was postpartum. And I was so annoying because when I heard that you lose hair postpartum and that can happen, I was like, I'm not worried. I have a thick head of hair. No, like you can lose it in spots that you don't want to. And like in the. Like, in the. the front. It wasn't, wasn't the best thing for me. That's when I started taking Nutraful and I couldn't believe that that's what it was like when I made that video. I just couldn't believe it. Nutrafol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement. And it works. It works. So take the first step to visibly thicker, healthier hair for a limited time. Nutraful is offering my listeners, $10 off your first month's subscription and free shipping when you go to NutraFol.com

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your parents who were kind of in the industry also, right? Like they're not actors, but they know the industry. Did they try to, like, stir you away from it? Were they into you getting into this world? I think I had to really convince my mom that it was a worthwhile endeavor because she was scared that I was going to

encounter a lot of rejection and like, because I was kind of a weird freak little kid. I just had to use that word against myself in case anyone was like, Jesus, what a mean, meany.

Smart. So I wanted to be an actor so badly because I grew up on set going with my mom. She was a script supervisor who is sort of like the keeper of the Bible of the movie.

She's like, times everything. And like, you know, she gives the notes to the editor. So I was like, And if someone's like line, yeah, exactly. And she said yes. And it's so nice of her because like it was probably like expensive and annoying to like get me headshots and drive me all over Los Angeles, which is so awful. A little basic too. Yeah, it's so basic. I did. I audition for two years. Was desperate for it. Wanted to be so famous. Obviously at nine years old. We found the basicness. No. But that is, does it does it not add up to you with like who you are that you are that you? you, like, wanted that? I wanted to play.

Like, I wanted to hang out. I, I wasn't, I was the worst, so cringe at any, like, commercial audition, which you have to do as a kiddo. And I was like, I think I told my agent, I just want to do movie auditions. And they said, no, you, you've never done a movie. Yeah. I was like, yeah, but these commercials, they're not for me. And they're like, you've never done one of those either.

So you're just going to have to do some of, you're going to do all the auditions, you know. Sorry, I just bumped the thing. But yeah. And then at some point, I. got a movie and got to be an actor and I can't believe it because that doesn't happen a lot. So you're technically a child star. Does that offend you? On paper, I guess we could categorize. Right. You started acting as a child. Yeah. Yeah. Which is like a wild. I mean, I loved panic room. It was so good. I remember watching it like when I was way younger too. And you were so good in it.

That's a cool movie. I recently watched it as well for the first time in like 100 years. I was just looking off the side because I was like, like, I need to watch it again. Like, I need to watch it now. Yeah. So you recently watch it again and how is it watching yourself, like, play when you're younger? I'm old enough now to watch that movie, which is actually a delight because it is a very good film. And it's not me anymore.

Like, I'm looking at a completely different. But then at the same time, I'm like, I know that little guy. Yeah, like, it reminds you, you know, you see like an authentic picture of yourself or something from when you're little and you're like, dude, remember when you had zero affectation and you were just. just a dork. That's nice. Yeah. It's like a nice way to be. But you're not judging her. No, I'm judging me. No, I'm trying to get back to her. But you were saying, like, it's been so long that you can, like, look at her and maybe not be embarrassed. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So technically a child star, do you think you have, like, some secret or you did something right that other people didn't do or, like, a tip that how did you, like, survive the industry

in this way? Oh man, I've done so many not right things and so much falling down in public and then also like bad outfits and all the things that you're like, I should have been stopped. Like what do you think back at that like embarrasses you? Like everything and nothing though. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like I have sometimes when I talk to people who are just now having to do interviews like I just worked with a director who I'm obsessed with and it's her second film and the first one that she did was. released during COVID, so she didn't really have to discuss things and then see it all blasted

and headlines in on the internet and whatever. And she was like, do you just not read it? Do you just, it's like, no, I mean, I kind of like to know, like, you know, the trickle down effect of the work that I do. So it's not like I'm like not online, but maybe for you, like, you know, temper it or sort of like in moderation. Yeah. Because like I'm so used to it that I could, anything could happen and I would be like, it's fine. Like, I'm, I feel like I could function from this beautiful place of freedom now because I'm not trying to control anything because I've just been so stripped of that, but actually I've sort of circled back to finding this place of volition knowing that you can't, you can't collect all the feathers, you know, if you like rip open a down

comforter in a movie or in an interview, which is kind of the hope is to like expose something or like get honest or get underneath of something, you're not going to be able to control how everyone like consumes that and and we live in such a globalized and connected world and like there's just not everyone's going to sort of vibe with you. So yeah, I've been famous for like so long that now it's like I'm so like I just feel so open. You could ask me anything right now. I like genuinely would tell you. Stop. Because you can't try to, you know what I mean? Yeah. You hedge yourself in when you try and hedge people out. And you've learned that because I'm assuming you tried that to like hedge people out.

I guess so. Yeah. I guess that I had a, you know, more. Yeah. You were more guarded. Yeah. Do you think that staying relatively private throughout the years helped you, you know, have this career.

And like I said, I know, a lot of child stars like have had, you know, struggles and talk about it today as this like really horrible thing. Do you think that staying a little bit private helped with that? I guess so. Was I private? I feel like you are very mysterious. Oh my God. This is great. I know. I'm really just like pumping you up. Yeah. But true, you're very mysterious like. Yeah. Oh, oh. I don't feel. I don't feel that way. No. You feel like you're exposed to the world. Oh my gosh. I feel like I'm almost bent over and just smiling. Just like, okay, whatever. Yeah. I could see that. Yeah. So that's funny. But I don't Relative, I guess, in this world.

Yeah, like, I don't have an, you know, you can't, I'm not storing, like, my oatmeal in the morning, you know what I mean? Like, so I guess there's a, you know. There's some mystery. Yeah. So after Panic Room, that was like 2002, 2007 already, you're announced to be in Twilight, which, by the way, read all the books, and I'm not a huge reader. I know.

You probably read so much, but. So basic. I know, I'm telling you. I was obsessed with Twilight to the point where, like, I was like, do I want to drink blood? Like, I was like, you know how today you get, like, influenced by people online? I was influenced by this. I was like, my. Like, right.

Seriously. And you wanted maybe to be one, not to, like, be somebody who, you wanted to be Edward. I wanted to be. Well, I was like Bella in the sense that she also wanted to be one. Right, right, right, right. Let's talk about Bella for a second. Okay. Do we not like her in retrospect?

Do we not like her? Right. Whoa, whoa. Think about it. Hey, you better be careful. I mean, I don't know if you can tell who you're talking to right now. You? No, I'll tell you why.

Okay. She was a little, like, desperate for Edward. Sounds like you can relate, yeah, like. Willing to change her life, go through hell to become this vampire, like I was thinking about it. Like, it's a little, well, much. Yeah, but he was trying to sort of control whether or not she made choices for herself. And that I would have broken up with him.

immediately. With Edward. Yeah. I mean, if I was like, hey, I want to try that. And he was like, no, this is just for me. I would be like, well, this is also just for me, my whole life without you. You're saying Edward was fucked up. Yeah. Like, I get the sort of protection thing, but you got to let a girl make her own choices. Yeah. And she did. She ended up getting pregnant, which another relation back to me is that when I am upset during my pregnancy, I think of Bella and her pregnancy. It was worse than yours. Yes. Yeah. I mean, that thing, are you like, how am I? Is this your first? No, it's my second. Okay. So you know how it comes out. I know. But like I'll, I always think of Bella's vampire baby, like eating her alive from the inside. That's the thing. Yeah. That's the scary part. I know when people are

like, how is this going to come out? Yeah. Well, not that bad compared to. You've been through it. Yeah. So when you first started with Twilight, did you have any idea in your mind that it would be this like, big thing that people are still talking about today. I mean, I think there's like a TikTok going viral now about it, like all this stuff. Really? Not a bad one. It's like, hey, Bella, where you been, Loka? Oh, I'm on here.

Remember when Jacob says that? Yeah. What in the world? That was the line. There are some things. Right, Regina, is it where you been Loka? Yeah, it's going viral. I wonder if I was in the script.

What is that? Is that in the book? Maybe it's in the book. You think Loka is in the book? Maybe. There are some idios and. weird little like spider monkey is in the book do you know what I mean like that's so yeah that's right now and then like there was this one that I couldn't deliver at all which is so embarrassing because

I was so embarrassed like the worst the most embarrassing thing is to look yourself be embarrassed oh because you could tell yeah and there was a thing I think where I was supposed to say to him to tailor like something about his muscles or something where it was like hey something like biceps that's what it was. Hey, biceps. And I still can't, yeah, and I think I was like, hey, hi, bye, bye. Oh, God. And that's in that film forever. It's going to be the time. Well, you didn't have to say where you've been, Loka. Yeah, it's bad. So that's worse. So we are ready. I love your dragging him though right now. It's funny. I would love to watch that with you. I just saw, I couldn't, I didn't remember that part. I guess you block out the, the, the, the weird. Also, yeah, it depends how you're watching, because I wasn't

watching to judge. back then, you know? You were watching to get, was it like, hopefully a drinking game is the best way to watch those movies? No, what? I was obsessed. I was watching it to be in it.

I loved it. The interview just turns around. I'm like, I have a million questions for you and your actual experience. Go on, go on, I'm not going to comment here. So we agreed. You like Bella. Even though I did see an interview

where you said you're triggered by the name. Yes, the name is definitely, I can't with that anymore. Like, won't name your future baby Bella, for sure. Probs not. Yeah. No, it's not that it's a prop. It's not like, I'm like, oh, can't with that name. It's more just like, it's that one thing. I can't be anything else. If someone's like, hey, I'm Bella, I'm like, what do you mean? How? How? Or is it that you think that technically in the movie they said it a lot of times? Like drinking games. Yes, we said it constantly. Oh, okay. Yeah. Bella. Because that's what I was. Both of them. Jacob and Edward. Okay. So I did want to know because we talked about the being private and mysterious, which you said he weren't. But how do you feel about press tours? I just saw Dakota Johnson said in an interview that it's hard for her to take it like seriously in the way. That it's like sometimes it just feels pretty silly. Do you feel that way at all? How do you feel during press tours and stuff? Yeah, I get that. I think when you're telling stories about like, stories. It's like you're doing this weird curriculum on your movie. Like you're teaching everyone how to watch it and how to like receive it and you're like hoping that you can frame their

experience. I'm like, that's what feels funny to me is like, we did this thing. We worked on it for so long and I want to like, you know, represent and go tell everyone about it. But also I don't want to like spoon. It feels silly because you're like, well, what do you want people to take from the movie? I'm like, dude, we made a whole movie. I would like someone to posit their experience into it. And then that would be different for everyone. So how could I answer that question? Yeah. And yeah, it just, you know, it feels, she's on a long, she's on a long haul, man.

That's like such a specific experience. Would you do like a Marvel type movie? I'm a yes man. I don't say like no to, I can't imagine. I can't, I've just, the path that has sort of been carved by my life, both the ways in which I've controlled that and also the ways that it has just like fallen off the truck. it would be so stupid to ever be like, yes. No. But do you give more indie vibes?

Like, do you, when you're picking a movie, like, do the indie vibes speak to you more than, like, the big? I will likely never do a Marvel movie. But, okay, but still never say never. No, I could see you when I was thinking about this question, I was like. Oh, it sounds like a fucking nightmare, actually. I could see you as being like Mary Jane in another world. I don't know if like case two of like right this moment but I could have seen like I'm surprised you didn't do that in a way

well like I like big movies because I like people to watch them yeah when I'm in them you know the system would have to change like you'd have to put so much money and so much trust into one person and I think Dakota mentioned that this as well it doesn't happen right and so therefore what ends up happening is this like algorithmic weird experience where you can't feel personal at all about it and so like likely not But maybe the world changes. That's what I'm saying is, like, how could I tell you know if maybe one day?

Maybe your favorite director will make the Marvel movie. Yeah. By herself. Exactly. By herself. If Greta Gerwig asked me to do a Marvel movie, then I would do it. So you were really into the director that you worked with for Love Lies Bleeding. Yes.

I want to talk about, by the way, what a good movie, you guys. I'm so glad you saw it. Oh, my God. Of course I saw it. Did I rewind the love? like hot sex scenes might have no that's not basic see such a good movie and i was thinking about the title after watching it that it's so literal yeah right yes people have been like hey describe this movie in three words you're like are you crazy right yeah okay do you know that it's a plant

that it's a flower love lies bleeding a love lies bleeding is this sort of like trickling crimsony deep flowery situation it's they're beautiful And I know, I only learned this recently, and I was like, Rose, I thought you were a genius. I thought you made this up. But I guess it is genius to appropriate the title. Yeah. There's like a thousand double entendres and also very straightforward. Did they put the plant in the movie?

No. I know. I'm too literal for that. I'm like, but where's the... Is it about the plant? Okay, let's start with the basic stuff. Your premiere outfit was cray cray. The front, the frontal floss.

What did people equated to? It wasn't frontal flaws. I saw something else. But now I can remember. I coined that. What was that like wearing that? I liked it. Yeah? Yeah. You looked hot. Thanks, dude. I wanted to wear... First of all, I was like going to wear something else. It was like kind of like cosplaying the movie. It was like a little more like athletic wear. Which is a thing now.

Yeah, I know. I know. And then my stylist who I've worked with since I was like a baby showed me this thing. And she was like, I'm just being crazy. I don't know. But then that. always ends up being the thing that we're like, oh yeah, imagine. And we're like, well, yeah, it happened. And then it happened. Were there underwear involved? Yeah. And I had to, I had to safety pin them together in the front to create this sort of upper. It was really not hot underneath. Like what you had to do. Yeah. What you had to do? Yeah. It didn't look good until I put the over flap on. It was insane. When you make that kind of siloistic choice, do you know, like, this is going to, like, blow up? Because it was, like, everywhere, like your outfit.

I feel like everyone is wearing stuff like that right now, though. So I didn't. I didn't. Oh. For this one, I was like, yes, people are. I was like, is this crazy? Is this crazy? I was like, no, everyone is wearing much less than this actually right now.

So this is fine. But you're saying you were thinking of like dressing like Lou? Well, I was just going to wear kind of. That would be very different. Well, not exactly. Like, I was going to wear like something that I'm going to wear this week, probably. So I don't know blow my load. But yeah, like, it looked more.

Like, there were athletic shorts. Oh, wow. Like, fancy ones. Very fancy. They were shun up. Another literal question about the movie and about you in the movie, because I'm nitty gritty like that, is that obviously you play Lou in the movie. You meet this woman who's training to be in a bodybuilding competition.

So she's obviously ripped. But then I was like, I wonder if Kristen, like, works out. And then I noticed. she got a bicep. I was doing like secret little piddly push-ups in my trailer because I was so jealous of everyone. I was like, okay, so I'm supposed to be this like barely capable kind of like smoking to death, flaccid character.

And then I was like, I can't have that. I have to be a little secret. And you're saying from doing that in your trailer, you got some biceps? That's right. Stop. You know, if you believe it, you can be it. Do you secretly, like, really work out?

Yeah, I like working out But I like doing Like I like doing secret pushups Like you want the arms Like you're are you doing Pilates Like what are what's your workout? I've never done Pilates I really love yoga

But I kickbox primarily With my trainer who is like The only man that could tell me To like drop and give him 20 And not have a problem Like I love him So I like working out with him Yeah

Well I'm just telling you guys If you look closely In this movie There's some muscles That's right. Shane Flacid. Thanks for mentioning it. Just saying.

Also, speaking of the Sags, are your smoker in real life? I really, really, really try not to be. And I did, like, that's, the moral of the story is never, ever start smoking because it is hard to quit. And I had to smoke so much in this movie. It was by far the hardest part of making the movie.

Yeah, the fake ones. I mean, this is, you know, we're really just showing how the sausage is made in every way. No, because I've heard of the fake, the herbal. They don't smoke right. They just don't look right. They don't. And it's, you know, this is so stupid. I shouldn't have done it. I mean, like. So you smoke 3,000 a day. Yeah, like fuck art, you know, like your body, your life. That's important. But it's okay. Yeah. It's a good movie. So by Lou wanting to quit, because that's like a theme in the whole movie. Yeah. Did that affect you, like, being more grossed out by smoking? Me and Rose couldn't stop to put these. Smoking positive podcasts, by the way. I smoke a lot of weed and I'm super positive about that. And this podcast is, actually smoking negative. The whole movie is about somebody who should quit smoking and isn't able to do it. Rose and I, we were both quitting smoking on the movie. And so as soon as all of

those scenes were like actually finished, because it's only the beginning that she's smoking. And she's like, I'm done now. She puts them in the trash and they're down. With the egg yolks. With the egg yolks. Was the mullet just for the movie? Because I feel like we've seen you in a mullet before. Well, I played Joan Jett once. Right. Yeah. And it's really hard to grow them out. And you get kind of addicted to the scissors. So the first one lasted for a while. And then this one lasted longer than it really needed to also. Because I just couldn't stop cutting it.

I've stopped. By yourself? Yeah. I told you not basic. I know. See? So you like a mullet? Yeah, I do.

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like, look what you did. Do you see that number? Yeah. Like that really is, I mean, she should be so proud. You love Rose. You love the director. I do. very, very much, yeah. Did you know her before? Did you meet her for this? I met her for this. Oh, my God. Yeah.

I saw her movie at a film festival during COVID, and she did a Q&A after, and I was like, that person is incredible. And then she straight up called me for this movie, like, very soon after that. And I was like, this is a simulation, my life, the world. I'm making it up. Yeah. Yeah, it was like two kismet. That's so cool.

And you filmed him, New Mexico. Was it super hot? Yeah. Like hot and hot? super hot. Yeah. Yeah, it was really hot. It was very, very warm outside. Yeah. How long did it take to film? Kind of normal. Like, we should probably shot for 30 days. We were there for like three months. Oh. Damn. Purcell. Cutting my hair. Getting used to everything. It was like super grunggy. Fibes. Yeah. It was very, very like gym rat.

Smelly. Yeah. Skuzzy. Yeah. Underbelly. I saw you said in an interview. you, like I mentioned, there are some some hot sex scenes in the movie. And I saw you mentioned somewhere that a lot of times sex isn't like really portrayed right on film. Like queer or not, right? But how did you, what did you mean that this was? Like, what did you do differently to make sure that it was? Their sort of sexual, like, dynamic is so informed by the stories they tell themselves and kind of co-signing each other's like positions so to speak like you know lose weak and tiny but wants to be on top and it works not because she's stronger than her but because she's just hard-headed and it's like that's what it's like interesting to do a sex scene so precisely

and allowing the director to really like block everything out and having having an experience that feels like in exchange versus like something from the outside like it just felt like you could kind of imagine what it felt like versus being so overwhelmed by watching two other people like have an explicit moment that you're usually not allowed to watch. Instead, you're like, oh, I got that feeling. And it's, and for us, like, it's not an explicit scene. There are some, you know, there's some dirty talk that kind of underlines what we're doing, but you don't see anything. And it's like, it just is punctuated with, like, very considered touch and response. And that doesn't normally happen because if you don't talk about something before and you're just like going for it, it's like no one can feel anything. You're not like I don't move when you move. I don't because we didn't consider it and we're not actually doing it. Right. So it's like unless you're actually doing it, you're just, it looks fake. And so if you don't, yeah, that's why the whole like sort of development of having intimacy coordinators and also just female directors that are comfortable verbalizing those things and talking about them and leading the charge. It's like, and I'm not saying,

only girls can do that. Boys can make good sex scenes. It's nice for that communication to be like not taboo and not uncomfortable and not weird and because then it can actually be very sexy. It's like when you get older and mature and you start talking about what you want with your partner versus being like, maybe I'll get lucky. It's like, no, fucking talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. I remember, do you remember the movie, Blue is the warmest color? I do. I do remember. So I remember, like, there was a lot of criticism about, is that what lesbian sex is like? Do you remember that? I do.

Yeah. Yeah. So that was like a, because I saw this interview from you, you know, saying that, it reminded me, it reminded me of that. Of that. I know there was like a, it was scandalized. It was. Yeah. Yeah.

I think because that process was really intense and that director has a particular process and he's a guy and, yeah. And it's different. I mean, I watched that. I love, I fucking love. that movie. I love those performers so much. Yeah, they're both amazing. I have not. She's in, she's in the Dune now. She's in the Dune. She's in both of the Dune's? No, I think Dune 2. I mean, sorry, the second one. Yeah, she's in Dune 2. Yeah. Yeah, everyone, everyone that's in Dune 2,

this is like, I mean, the yearbook of Dune 2. Dune 2. Like, looking at them and being like, crazy. Yeah. I know. It's overwhelming. It's overwhelming. So I love this movie. Love Lies Bleeding, you guys. You have to watch it in the theater. Is it going to stream. Ever? Likely. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I think we, I think we are going for like, it is like a theatrical release situation. Limited right now. Getting bigger, I think at some point. And then if you don't catch it like a basic bitch, then at some point you'll be able to stream it. But it's such a good movie. It really like, the movie is a little bit under two hours. And I didn't look at my phone

once. Oh, hell yeah. And it was so good. It was so captivating. There is love in it. There's also, I feel like you can get like a dude to watch it too, you know, because you're like, there's crime. Yeah, there's like guns and like running around and stuff. Yeah. But it's also like a love story. Ed Harris plays somebody that is like definitely in a different movie than me and Jackie or whatever. So yeah, it's weird.

It's like a very odd combo of a lot of different flavors. Right. Yeah, it's like if you were to go to Baskin Robbins and get like Rainbow Sherbert and Rocky Road, you're like, whoa. okay sure that's why I don't want to give away too much because you were saying before like love lies bleeding how would you describe it in three words and then I know we talked a little bit about the movie in different parts of it but like to describe it with all the moving parts you just mentioned ed harris's character and and you and then it's like almost giving it all away yeah just go see it that's what

we're doing here we're promoting the movie we're promoting the movie so just we were talking about You are into, like, good reviews, high ratings. Does that, when you're choosing a movie, are you, like, are you thinking about what could possibly, like, win an award or, you know, you've been nominated for, like, Golden Globes. Like, you've got the Cesar award. Like, you got the best kiss four years in a row. And I mean, four years in a row, MTV, best kiss, best kiss her. I'm glad that we won those. Yeah.

The movie won those. No, I just like to see, like, a real. Like, I want to believe it, you know? So I want to see, like, passion. It doesn't necessarily mean it needs to be, like, messy. Exactly. You know? Like, I'm trying to think if you and Jackie in the movie had, I didn't think about that because

it was just, like, a good kiss. I, like, licked her armpit at one point. You licked her toe. Yeah. We went in. We went all of the way. You really did go in. Yeah.

But that's what when you were saying before, we weren't really doing that, you did like the toe. You did. Is Christy Stewart imitating me today? I can't help. It's really good. Good. Yeah. If we were homies and we hung out, you would be like shut up. All the time you would do it. But are you judging me for it? No. I'm like, I'm really. You're into it. Yes. Okay. Okay. So we're into ratings. We're into reviews. We just talked about the Oscars were last night. Oh, right. Do I do movies for awards? No. I just want to make them cool. Yeah. No. No. Oscars were incredible last night. Like, very well produced. Best they've been in years, I feel. Like I was on, didn't you think it was just like a good show? I'm trying to think it's been such a long. It's been such a long.

award season, I feel like. So many red carp, like so much has been happening. Maybe because COVID happened. So they were like, that's it. Yeah. Boring. It wasn't it wasn't happening. It couldn't really do it. Yeah. But when you look like, wasn't more fun for you to watch the Oscars? You were telling me you were watching it at home. You had a really nice setup. Do you want to be there? Is it not as fun to be there as we think that it is? Well, I've only been once. And it was like a fever dream. I don't really remember. and I imagine that when I'm looking at, wait, have I been twice? Oh. Well, I mean, the time that I went, it was like a, like, I was there for like a reason.

Yeah. The other time I don't, yeah. Well, either way, whatever. Apparently I've been there twice. It just goes away. Like, the memory of that I can't even relate to, but I can relate more to watching. Because last night I was like very present and like emotional and I like was laughing and crying the whole time. What was your favorite?

Like what movie were you excited about to win? Or actor. Watching Emma win, we were all blubbering and obsessed. Proud. And like, we don't even really know each other, but I feel like I know her. And I was just like, that's weird me too. I mean, just to fill that space. Even though, I mean, this like happened twice for her and this still felt like such a seminal moment in her life. Like, it's like being able to speak to that in a present way is so hard. I wonder if she even remembers that moment. I can tell I was like, I would never have had the words. Like, it was just very cute to watch that. Also, I mean, let's be real. Like, I was for some reason crying and laughing while watching the Ken thing like no you're crying yeah it's like emotional

dude watching Greta watch it oh Greta watch it yeah we're watching through Greta's eyes when they did the one cutaway of her and she was just like front row belting and just like looking at like the thing that she like helped kickstart yeah I was like this is too much this is you're a fan of Barbie I'm a super super super duper fan of Barbie yeah really yeah I'm upset see that's a little bit surprising see these these projections that people I know I'm projecting it's not people it's just me but do you like I know well oh no you don't like it I don't really know is that because I love red on I loved love bird and I loved she had the movie with best friends lady bird you love Greta I love sure I do love Greta she had that other movie with the two best friends did you watch it no because

what Francis huh yeah yeah she's my favorite I'm upset Okay, so fine. She's your more favorite. But yeah, maybe I was, you know what? I watched it after the craze. So I think I was also like, it might have been like the press tour and the pink that kind of ruined it for me. And if I just watched the movie, I would be more.

But you know what I heard? Because I watched poor things recently. It's incredible. Incredible. I can't believe that movie. Right. And then somebody said that they're both like feminists and this kind of the same way. but obviously in different ways.

So I relate more to the feminist four things. I think something is happening. There's this collective consciousness that is waking up to their own and engaging with their own inner rage and painting it pink and putting puffy sleeves on it makes it like us

and not just sort of purely negative because like owning your body and your experience and like, yeah, your will. that has like truly not been ours for very long and so now that girls are starting to make movies they're kind of all the same and I know that like you know Yorgo made poor things it's not like that's a purely but but that's Emma's movie like Emma is filling that

space for us yeah and like I think the overlap is really fascinating and fun like reality is breaking so there's like very metatextual movies happening in development right now and like there are a lot coming in coming together and I've noticed it. And then also for the feminist sort of take on things, it's being brought away from turmoil and into like kind of extreme consideration and exuberance

and like, you know, like movies that aren't so literal, movies that like push the boundaries. So I think they're very similar, but like also couldn't be more different. They're like totally from different sides of the room. But it's we all, we all want something. Craving a little fucking freedom. And, like, honesty.

And I think both of those movies do the shit out of that. Amazing. I agree with the support. It's like, Barbie's like The Matrix. Barbies like The Matrix. Yeah. It's so, I was laughing and crying the whole time. Like, I watched that movie, and I think my mouth was just open and in a huge grin,

and then sometimes streaming, but then just wiping still smiling. Did you play with Barbies when you were little? No. No. Me neither. I had the weird bar. I chopped. You had the weird barbing?

Yeah, I created Kate McKinnon. Is it true that you suffer from a fear of horses? I do actually suffer from it, yeah. Did you, so it's not resolved? No, I can't watch movies with horses. Oh, even watch movies with horses. No, those spindly. So you're not watching Yellowstone?

No, actually I'm not, but those, yeah, like, I loved Outer Range, though, and there are some horses in there, not too many, but yeah, the spindly, like, the spindly, like, top heavy precarious like kind of flighty enormous animal I yeah it's very uncomfortable and then people are riding them around on like wet ground and their hooves are hard and clapping around I just I'm like this is a recipe for absolute disaster and I have been witness to a couple of horse like disasters oh really yeah so it comes from somewhere and I'm just like no more for me I would I want to like rescue the horsies feed them apples oh so you're not scared to be around them.

They make me a little nervous, but I would be down for that. I'm just not going to ride them. And I'm not going to watch any movies where they're like falling down. Yeah. I can't believe we've done that so much. I know. It makes you feel better. It makes me feel like when I see a horsey hurt, like I feel worse than when I see

like a human, you know? But what about your mental health? Have you been open about that? Like are you aside from the fear of horses? Like obviously like I feel like as an anxious person, And I can kind of tell, like, when somebody else has some anxiety. But does, does that manifest for you at all? Are you, do you have that?

Yeah, I run really hot. Like, I have, yeah, when I was younger, I had a lot of anxiety. But I, I don't manifest it physically as much as I used to. So it doesn't feel like I, of course, manage it and deal with, like, nerves and kind of getting kind of all a flutter before podcasts. You got the flutter out? Yeah, yeah, you know, I felt a little fluttery, walking. in here. But that's okay. Yeah, like, I think what I was saying to you before about just having been

like famous for so long, I feel like I can't make any more mistake. Like the worst thing could happen. I could fall on my face and like all my clothes could rip off my body and like I could be in the middle of like the Super Bowl accidentally and be like streaking and embarrassing and just crying in public. And I'd be like, well, that's not that bad. I'm home now. And it's, it's nothing's actually going to happen like the internet can't actually like touch you yeah so with anxiety and stuff like that i don't my edge is a lot something bad something actually like foundationally bad would have to happen for me i don't just for no reason spin out oh wow that's good yeah i'm i'm i got used to my body like being a physical self used to be very overwhelming and and then putting it in

environments that had such chaos you know surrounding right that i was like tripping and Now I'm not because I've just been through the gauntlet. And also you're turning 34 soon, right? Yes. April? Yes. So how does it feel? Like, do you feel like, I mean, from what you're saying, it feels like you feel good

being older. Like, you feel like you're in your skin more. So much better. Yeah? Oh, my God. It's so much better. I look back at, like, I look at people in their 20s who are like really good at being in their, like, people that are good at, like, talking and walking and like doing things.

I'm always like, look at you, man. you should you're killing it. Cool. Stay there. Wow. Yeah. I'm like, how are you in your mid-20s and like not being such an idiot? Yeah. Yeah. I also look back at myself like in just pictures and I'm just like, oh gosh, every day. Every day better. Every day better. Yeah. That's such a good feeling probably and also like message. See guys, getting older is better. I love it. So good. So you are engaged. Is there wedding planning in the horizon? Yeah, we're both like really casual people. And so we did this sweeping traditional thing where we were like, marry me.

You marry me. And then we just never like planned a wedding because we were like, we kind of did it. But well, we'll do it. I think we have a very loose plan, which is appropriate to us for after I make my first movie. Like you mean New York when you write? I'm directing a movie soon. And so I have to do that before we can get married. because we have to send invites out

and give people time to, like, get ready for that. But you won't plany. Yeah, yeah. We haven't done any of this. This is all hot air. You wrote the movie? Well, yeah, I adapted a memoir.

Are you talking about it yet? No. It's called the Chronology of Water. I've talked about it for like six years and it's finally a thing. Yeah. It's really hard to make indie movies. As Dakota Johnson has pointed out,

it's like near impossible. Are you going to be in it? No. You're just director. it. Yeah. And then you're going to do a wedding. Wait, about the proposal for a second. So you decided to do it together or was somebody surprising somebody? Oh, I told her, like, I wanted to have somebody asked me to marry them and then she did it. That's so cute. Yeah. Do you have a ring? Yeah. That's so pretty. It's cool. Yeah. Looks vintagey. It is, yeah. This is embarrassing.

Yeah. It's like, it's based on an old sketch, but it actually is new. Did you get her a ring? We have the same one with a different stone in it. Oh, that's so cute. Okay, so gonna get married after the movie, probably. And I saw you wanted kids. You were like talking about that. Yeah, probably.

Yeah? This is the thing. You ask these questions. I'm like, not, no, not I don't. I mean, I'm, yeah, definitely. I mean, we've done, we've done, like, a lot of, like, really annoying. Marble and kids, everybody. Yeah, exactly.

We've done really annoying things like freeze our eggs and stuff. Oh. Yeah. So, like, if we want to, we can. You know what I mean? Like, keeping that open. And also... You know, people are doing that on Instagram now.

What do you mean? I mean, I... You can freeze your eggs on Instagram. This is an incredible platform. No, it's just, it's kind of awful because it's such a positive thing. Yet, I've seen so many influencers chronicle every second of the process that I'm kind... You know what I mean? But, okay, I wanted to do a really quick thing with you because I've decided that you're

not basic at all. I want to do some quick, like, pop culture stuff to see if you'd know. Okay. Okay. Okay. A really quick thing. Okay. Who is Barry Kehoe dating? A singer that he's really proud of? Like a really cute blonde singer? Yeah. Yeah. Sabrina Carpenter. Yes. Who announced their pregnancy on Oscar's red carpet last night? I don't know. Vanessa Hudgens. Cool. Yeah. That's awesome. Congrats, Vanessa. Hell yeah. What reality show just aired its finale on Netflix that everyone in the world is talking about?

I don't know. Love is blind. Oh, well, I'm obsessed with that show. So I have seen it. You are? When we were like, let's name a few, I should have, my mind went blank when you asked me. Oh, but you watch it.

Yeah. You've dabbled. No, I've seen all of them. I've seen every single moment. I've seen all of it. Oh. Okay. Like waiting for a reunion?

Like wanting to know what's up with the couples? Yeah, of course. I've seen all the reunions, like the next one's coming. I, yeah, I have a... Who's your favorite couple? I don't know if I believe you. Who's your favorite couple on Love is Blind right now? Like the new one?

Yeah. The first ones. I don't know them by name. I always like the ones that get engaged quickly. Because you're like, thank you. Jesus. I know, but they're usually the most boring ones. I know, but I like the boring ones.

The other ones are like scary. Yeah, that is true. Okay, which famous NFL player just retired? Travis Kelsey's brother, who's the cutest. Oh, my God. So cute. But there you go. Jason Kelsey. Yep. Okay. This is a really niche in our last one. Which actor loves a purse. This is multiple choice. So it'll be easier for you. Allorty. Nice. Yeah. Kristen. I'm a fan. Jacob Allorty loves a purse. Yeah. Okay. Now I'm impressed. In fact, do you see this? I was like, people are going to think that I am like him.

So you're Jacob Allerty? Yeah, because it's like one without a strap and like it just looks like kind of a little boy bag. And I was like, he influenced me. He walks around with what's that called? It's like a boutega something. I looked it up. I'm DiMato.

I don't know. His, his, his bad game is. His bad game is strong. Kristen, a dream coming true for me that you were on the show. Oh, wow. Me too. Thank you. Yeah.

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