Not Skinny But Not Fat - KYLIE KELCE: MAMA BEAR, WIFE, PODCASTER

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Kylie Kelce is here! The down-to-earth mom of four opens up about choosing baby names with the internet’s help, life with all girls, her love language, and why she dreads birthday attention. She also shares how everything she says becomes a headline and the importance of asking for help.This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.Head to Saks for inspiring ways to upgrade your personal style, every day. Shop saks.com.Use the code NOTSKINNY on Rhoback.com for a generous 20% off your first order through the end of this week.Philadelphia makes everything creamier. Visit creamcheese.com for recipe inspiration and so you can start adding Philadelphia to your recipes at home!To explore coverage, visit ASPCApetinsurance.com/NOTSKINNY.No matter how you say it, don’t overpay for it. Shop data plans at MINTMOBILE.com/notskinny.Find Simply Pop and any of its five juicy flavors by visiting us online at cokeurl.com/simplyPOP.Produced by Dear MediaSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars on my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. Okay, quick intro today. You guys, very excited to just dive right into this episode. Kylie Kelsey is on today.

I love her. I think she's so great. I think she's so real. I think she's so down to earth. I think she's a mama burr. We talk about it. I got to see her in her mama burr action. This was actually recorded before she gave birth to baby.

Yes, wait for it. Number four, which affected me in some types of ways, which I also talked to her about. She has a new podcast. called Not Gonna Lie. I was a guest on it. Actually, one of the first guests, which was a huge honor that she had asked me to be on. She's just killing it. She's a mom. She's a wife. She's a badass. And she's on today's episode. So enjoy my conversation with Kylie Kelsey. How are you? I'm delightful. How are you? Delightful. How is that flu? So fucking bad. Did your house get it? It took our house out for the entire month of January. The entire month of January.

We relaxed. Was it A or B? I'm still not 100% sure. How don't you know? We never actually got tested. Okay. Because we were riding it out. Like our pediatricians very like go with the flow.

I ordered three of the kits where you can like do a swab yourself and do it at home. Two of them erred. And I was like, fuck you. I'm not taking the third. Did you? Are you against like the Tammy flu thing? Oh, we just didn't. we didn't hit it early enough.

We thought it was like a, we thought it was like a preschool virus. Yeah. No, it's so bad this year. It's so bad. Wait, and it got you too or just the kids? Oh, no, it got me and the kids. My husband, of course, came out, barely scathed.

Wait, did you see my post that my husband did not fucking get it? That's, so like, there was maybe three days in a row where my husband was like, I think that I might be getting it. The back of my throat's scratchy. I was like, I want to punch you right now. Oh my God. Do you know what he said to me? He goes, I think I got it.

I just didn't like feel it. Like I'm like, no, I'm just not like dramatic about it. So like you didn't, you didn't hear from me. No, no, no, I could not. I'm like, I told it. I told, I made a statement. I was like, we're doing something wrong. I'm over here trying to eat healthy.

Lenny is getting a lot of breast milk, which should be fucking anti. bodying him up, right? Meanwhile, this man is like the epitome of unhealthiness. So maybe that's what you do. You scare away bacteria and viruses with having really bad insides. Like, I'm starting to think we're doing this all fucking wrong. It's not the elderberry or the vitamins. It's the Taco Bell. And the fried food, like, just like, they don't even want to be there. You know what I mean? I'm starting to think because that fucking pissed me off. Like, not that I wanted him to get it because it would be worse for everybody, obviously.

But it was just like, I feel like that was the universe's way of not sending me to the psych ward. Because he didn't get it. Yeah. Because if he got it, then I wouldn't, he's the worse than the kids. Like, the kids can rally. They're like, I don't feel good, but like, I'll be fine. My husband's like, oh, I'm dying.

I'm like, can you fucking get up? Can you get up and stop yourself? Yeah. It's called it the man flew for a reason. Exactly. Does Jason, like, go to the doctor? Like, is he down with, like, getting his blood drawn,

like, doing yearly checkups? That's one of the perks of being a football player is that the doctor is in the building really whenever they want them to be. So, like, he used to be able to go to work and be like, I don't feel well. And he could have a script for, like, an ear infection within three hours.

Right, right. He doesn't have to go to, like, the doctor's office. No. But now it's different. friend, no? No, he still goes to the facility. So he's still like, hey, doctor, this hurts. Yeah. Or like some, like at some point, someone put a dryer sheet, dryer sheets into our dryer and his sensitive ask. No, I can't. He got like a rash at the waist, like where his shorts hit his waistband or his waist. And he had to get like a cortisone cream. And, He just went into Novacare and was like, it's itchy.

And they were like, here's your script. So he's doctor spoiled. Oh, through and through. No, I can't believe you guys, if we end up using this in the pod, I think it recently was said. I can't remember if it was on your page or like press picked it up that you, no, it was on your page that you literally come into the studio five minutes late. Yes.

Which not to. Yeah, so it was. It was five minutes. I was five minutes, right? all. Yeah, it's not bad. Not bad. And she is indeed doing her makeup in the studio. Like she said. She's honest. She's a real. Yeah, which we already know. We already know. I can't help myself. I just, I can't lie. But you do mascara? Like, really like, you, you put in the work. Because it's the only thing that I'm like, oh, this will trick people into thinking that I'm awake. Do you, did you ever do

a lash lift and tin? I feel like that would be good for you. No. But our PR person, Emily, did one in the fall. And she walked into the house and I was like, oh, my God. No, it's good. It's good. It's good. Me too. And she was like, I don't even have mascara on.

I was like, this is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. So you need to do it, I feel like. And then you wouldn't even have to do your mascara ever. I love that you think I know where to go to get one. I think that once you say you want one, there'll be a knocking. at your door. They will be there. No, I'll tell you what it is, though.

I also like you because I saw your little non-makeup situation. I also don't really do makeup. So what's nice about the, it's good and bad because what's nice about the mascara is like, you don't have to put it on for realzies. You can wake up like whatever. It's not like extensions where it's like not for people like us. But the negative is maybe like you're used to seeing yourself.

loungey chill and all of a sudden like your eyelashes your eyelashes are like we're here right so for people that are like mostly loungy it's like good and not good

because it's good because like you don't have to put it on but it's weird for you because you're like I'm in a sweatshirt and chilling at home like why do I why are my eyes giving you know?

Yeah try it like once I feel you should okay you should me I'll do it so we're slowly moving into the into the pod that's happening I want to tell everybody

if I can, if I may, that I was on Kylie's pod which was an honor that you asked me to be on. It was so fun. And I got to see a moment of like the Kylie like I know we don't use this word anymore,

but like girl boss vibes. Oh no. Why would I go? No in the good way because because when I came on, I was because I was like you were supposed to Because I was, we were trying to schedule you on my pod, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yes. And then you didn't know about it because you're busy and you have a million things going on.

You're pregnant or whatever. And you got upset for a minute and she started making calls and I was like, oh, like, I see like, we handled it. Like, you are like the matriarch of the fam. I don't know about that, but I do, I feel some type of way that that people should be held accountable. So like, when you were like, we were supposed to do this. like, oh, let me fix that. And then we fixed it. And you did fix it. And

you, watching in your element, because I think I can seem to people like you think I would speak up, but I don't always. Like, I get shy and, like, timid in the weirdest scenarios, you know? Yes. Of, like, nail

salon, telling them I don't like it, you know? Oh, see, I would I'm with you on that. Oh, you would, you would. Oh, okay. You would be Like, I love it. I'd be like, this is the most incredible manicure I've ever seen. And, like, my nails could be, like, completely curved. And I'd be like, this is incredible.

And not even that. Like, when they put the water in the thing and you put your feet in, it's boiling. And they're like, okay. And you're like, okay. Oh, your feet are actively blistering. And I'm like, it's perfect temperature. I love it. Thank you so much.

Like, why? Like, there needs to be a bigger social study because I'm like, why the fuck aren't you saying that you're, or like, I just got my hair done and, like, shampoo. between me and it's freezing cold. And I'm convincing myself in my brain that maybe it's nice that it's freezing cold. Oh, for sure. Because it's refreshing. It is.

So when she says, is the water okay? I say yes, because I've already told myself, there's something nice about this freezing cold. So don't you fucking complain about it. See, I would be the person that, like, my brain would race so quickly that I would be like, don't you remember when that study came out that you're supposed to rinse your conditioner with cold water because then it seals it into the hair shaft and that that would be me and I'd be like

this is she's doing this for a purpose. I love this temperature. Thank you so much. I saw a real because everything is a real now. You just think it and it like pops up for you but that like we millennials were like duped into this myth that you just said and they were all freezing

at the end of the shower because we once were fucking lied to probably about finishing that shower with cold water for some reason. Maybe it was the beginning of the cold plunge. That's, we were on to something. Maybe we were manifesting.

Have you done cold plunging? Around the time that I would have started cold plunging, I got pregnant. And then I got pregnant again. So, you know, it just hasn't been your time. It hasn't been my time. We've talked about it. My husband will do, like, the back and forth between the sauna and the pool. He'll, like, let the pool drop to a pretty low temperature.

But nothing, like, crazy. We do not have a cold plunge at our house. That's, like, the new rage. That's the new thing that you got to have in your house. I'll tell you, like, it makes me anxious the, the, what you said Jason does, the hot and cold. Because, like, something about, like, the heart and the pressure, like, I've seen, I think I fainted from something like that once. I know, like, it can. How are people doing this, like, at home by themselves, like, going the sauna at 3,000 degrees, running into a cold?

Like, do you not have anxiety? Like, well, you're not nervous about the repercussions here. Holt come in from doing what he calls sauna protocol and his face will be so flush. And I'm like, are you cooking yourself? Like, are you roasting yourself? I'm confused. Oh, my God. I would be scared.

Your 33rd birthday is it? It's coming up, right? I hate my birthday. you do i was going to ask you how you feel you're like don't tell anybody no i just saw something this was someone posted and was like aries birthdays are always like oh i don't want anything big and then it was like this woman sitting in front of like this giant cake and i'm like no that genuinely like i when i was younger i used this is so millennial of me i used to remove it from facebook like i used to hide it for the month of march and then i would put it back because i'm like

i don't care that people know when my birthday is as long as they don't like pop on my wall and like plaster it or like i'm dead wait so did you did you have anything on your wall or like your friends probably knew and yes but not but it wasn't like you know like when you used to log into facebook it had like the little the little flag in the corner what do you mean would count would be like 236 great yeah like wait so you used to remove it yeah that's how much i don't i just that's how severely i don't like being the center of attention that's all it comes back to is that I don't want to be the focus of anything. So like, but, but if Jason doesn't do anything for you,

are you not upset? No, not at all. He always, he always does. But it's like subtle little things that I actually like. Like, whole like always get me a card, which I love. Does he write in it or just like, but no, no, no, he writes like a note. And then, like front and back or one page? Usually like the whole inside.

Oh, okay. Damn. that's that's that's that's good yeah he knows that that's like something that my like our family always did like carts no matter what he'll usually do flowers do you still uphold that do you still uphold that with your family because like my family did cards when we're always but like I'm kind of over it now like we don't do it as much no but I'm like but like I talk to my mom so much that like I wouldn't even have anything to rain the car I know I feel like it's and it becomes like all these years and then it's like a thousand years later and you're like mom you're the best mom that ever was you

don't need a day every day is your day yes you know and it's just like it came a point where I was like it is it would still be coming from the heart but it almost feels like too redundant at this yeah yes absolutely okay so card and flowers what about dinner oh no I'm not a jewelry person not at all he'll do he'll do it every song it's funny because he'll he'll force himself to go and get something. And I'm like, this is great. And he was like, he'll be like, are you going to wear it? And I'll be like, I don't know, eventually.

Wait, that's, you're like low maintenance. I think so. Would he say that? I think so. I think he has a very skewed idea of women. Right. Which is probably why he has four daughters. It's why he was blessed with four daughters.

The universe said he doesn't get it. We need him to get it. With only a brother and then the only females in his house where his mom and his dog. Right. And I just don't, like, I don't think that he understood women in a way where, like, when we started dating and he introduced me to his family, his parents were like, oh, oh, he's dating someone. Like, it was like a shock. What do you mean? Because he was, he was, would casually date people.

Oh, but like, never. first you were the first girl he brought home maybe the second but in his adult life the first like he had a high school girl that I think his parents met just because it was high school damn so that must have felt special I feel like it's nice to date somebody that didn't date a lot of people right like they didn't date a lot of people seriously yes which yeah it was it was nice but it was also like I was like you guys are shocked to a point where like should I be here Like, is everything okay? Why are you so surprised that he's holding down a long-term girlfriend?

Yeah. So did you get to any conclusions, just that he was like a waiting for the one? No, he just, he doesn't, like, we match up really well because I had, like, I just don't need a whole lot. Like, he knows what I need. It's very minimal. It's like, walk past me in the kitchen, smack my ass. I'm good. We're good.

We're good for the next week. Yeah, physical touch is one of my love languages. Really? It is. Yeah. Really. I feel like that might be surprising. I think most people would think that I am not that. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like most people wouldn't think that you're like a, you know, dad, but PDA is that, does that make you uncomfortable? Not necessarily. I grew up in a house where my parents, like when my dad would leave for work in the morning, he would always go and find my mom and give her a kiss goodbye. And then when he got home, he would always find her and give her a kiss. which I thought was standard, which is nice for me. That is nice. But then Jason at some point was like, I don't think I've ever seen my parents kiss. And I was like, what?

I think he was being dramatic. Yeah, right, right. He was exaggerating, I think. But it was, yeah, it was one of those things that, like, I, it's how my, like, love was sort of displayed to me growing up. And I always thought it was, like, the sweetest thing. We'll be right back after the break. This episode is brought to you by Sacks Fifth Avenue.

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Like, kids won't believe what you tell them, but like what you show them or something, you know? And all of a sudden, because I was like, but I tell him all day that he's like the most amazing thing in the world or whatever. But I'm like, oh, good. I tell myself that too. So we're good. You know, I think we're good. But it reminds me how you're like the way you interact with your spouse, you then once you become a parent, you're like, how is this going to impact you as a little human? Right. I know. That's why, but you know what I think it is, like with Noah, like, I think I'm such a dramatic person and I'm so loud all the time and like, that if I happen to be loud at my husband, like it doesn't change. It's not like he's like something's happening here. He's like, this is status quo. Like, it's just about something else. You know what I mean?

It's just a different topic of conversation. Exactly. It's not like surprise. Like, and I like that. But at the same time, sometimes when he yells, I'm like, Oh, I get, it's because I, you know, it all, it all comes around. Yeah. Wait, so you don't want to tell people that it's going to be a birthday in, in a little bit. No. Okay. But how are you feeling about it in general? Well, the only thing is I don't have any issue with getting older.

Like, getting older doesn't bother me. That's, it's simply having focus on me. Well, first of all, you're super young lady. Like, with four kids. Like, I have to tell you the truth. I've told you the truth. I'm going to talk about it for a minute because I want us to dissect it

for everybody listening. Perfect. I'm in. She's like, whatever this is. I'm in. That, okay, Kylie, and this is important because these are genuine feelings

that people have in the world, including me, other people. Kylie is pregnant with her fourth baby, which is so exciting. I, for instance, have two kids, and I don't know if I want a third.

I wouldn't say triggers me. I think. think it's more like, I want to get into your brain and understand how you wanted a fourth. Yes. Whereas why do I, like, I want to, like, it couldn't make you for a second, like doubt yourself, like, as me, right? Where I'm like, why don't I for sure want a third? Like, I think I'm such a good mom and I love my babies.

Like, wouldn't that mean because I love my babies and I think they're great and wouldn't I want more? But then you're like, but I'm not sure. so like how is Kylie sure or like why why does she want like where does it come from you know like I'm dying to because sometimes because I haven't decided for sure but I think me like debating you kind of look outside and you see what other people do and sometimes it like affects you're smiling some type of way you know what you're just like there were all they all just happened no that I would say when we had our third I had that moment of like our two oldest or only 17 months

apart. And I had this moment of, well, right now it's two. Like, I have two hands. I can hold both of your hands when we go places. I don't have to get a bigger car. Like, there was all of these things where I was like, two kids is great. But I grew up in a house of two girls. Like, it was just me and my sister. And it was always like this, what I felt like was like this unspoken competition. because we were both doing similar stuff. And we have a good relationship, but it was this underlying, like, there was only two of you,

so there was this, like, natural comparison, which I don't really, I didn't want for our girls. What's the difference between you and your size? Three years. Mm-hmm. And you're younger or older? I'm younger. Mm, tracks.

And so I was like, I've always said that I wanted four kids room for, like, one pleasant surprise. Like, if we had five kids, I would be like, okay, that's enough. Like, we really need to stop.

Kylie. I, can I tell you? You're putting it out in the universe, J.S. Y, S.Y.K. You put it out. You can't take it back.

Let me tell you. God heard you. No, my husband was on a podcast, I think it was with Charles Barkley recently and was referencing like a vasectomy. And I was like, I'm glad you're throwing that out

to the universe because it has been in the discussions. Oh, it has. Yes. But I think that because we then, I was like, I can't stop now because I, I've always wanted four. Like I'm going. I'm going to keep going. And our second was such a good sleeper. And it's those things that sort of like trick you into it. So when we had our third, she was also a good sleeper. Oh, and sleep, you're all about the sleep. Tricer. Well, our first was just initiation. I called her initiation because she didn't sleep for the first six months of her life unless she was touching another human being. it was a dumpster fire. But when we had our third,

I was like, let's just, let's do it. And I've always said I wanted four. The one thing I will say is there was this moment when our third was probably like six months old, where I was like, maybe this is good. Maybe three is good. And then when she hit about a year and some change, I started because she was so grown up.

Like she was following her sister. She's talking. She's doing all this stuff. I had this moment of, oh, I forgot one. Because I kept thinking like I forgot the baby. And then I'm like, shit. No, all my toddlers are here. Like I have three kids.

And I kept. So you were really always planning for? Yes. For, wow. But my brain, the switch that happened was when our youngest really started acting like a toddler and then my brain started saying you're forgetting the baby yeah and i was like oh i did not approach our third as if it was going to be my last and so i have this like mental block now where like i think that one more baby is right yeah and of course my husband the

whole time. It's just like, whatever you want. This is, thank you for your support. Yeah. Yeah. And, but you did say that you hate being pregnant. I can't stand it. Was it better this time, worse?

Were all your pregnancies the same? Pretty much the same. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the, they're, the best part is, is that six weeks with our third and fourth, I looked at my husband. I was like, I'm really sorry to break it to you, but this is a, girl. And he was like, you don't know that. You haven't had any test done. And I'm like,

okay. I'm just prepared. You felt it? Wait, you felt it? Oh, I knew. I knew immediately. Same exact symptoms. I mean, the dead of summer freezing my ass off. Wow. Freezing. But that's better than like sweat. I was like sweating like. So much better. Yeah. Yeah. Because it was like early pregnancy. It's just raging hormones. Noxious the whole time. So Bennett is too, almost two. Bena is, too. She turned to February 23rd. Oh, so she is too. And does she, because that photo you posted when you were, your announcement was really, was really funny. She's pissed. I feel like two, at two, I feel like the two year olds that get siblings, like might feel it the most. Because like one is, like they don't really know. Two, they kind of know. Yes. A thousand percent. So she's pissed.

Furious. I had my, I had my nephew over last. Friday, and he's 11 months, and I was holding him when I walked in the house. And she goes, put it down. Put it on the couch. Put it on floor. I'm like, I'm not doing any of those things. Leave him alone. Put it down. I was like, this is going to be so bad. You don't even know what's coming. Wait, so that's your sister's kid. It's one of my closest friends. Yeah. Wait. You call them your... I call it. I have three nieces that I have. That I I are like a friend. That's so cute.

And I have one nephew that is not actually, like the, all four of them are not blood related, but they're like such close friends and we see them so often. And they're, like, our girls think that they're our family. That's so cute. I grew up with a lot of cousins. Uh-huh. And so I like, I like, especially in our situation, our current situation, like calling people who are technically our friends, like our chosen family.

feels really safe in how we explain it to our kids that they're like safe space. Yeah. And do your parents live in your area? They're 10, 15 minutes away from us. Okay, so they do. Oh, my parents are over...

What? All the time. Daily? I mean, no, they both still work. But they're... I mean, they were over Saturday and Sunday. They're over most weekends. I laugh only because, like, I call them on a

Saturday morning. I'm like, what are we doing for breakfast? Stop. So what are we doing? You want me to make French toast? Like, you guys are coming, right? And they help with the kids. And they help with the kids. Yes. My mom is like the most patient saint ever. And my dad just gets worked. Does your sister have kids or no? Yes. So those are my three actual, like, I have two nieces and one nephew who are actually my niece and nephew. My niece is enough. Okay. Question for you. Yes. With the competitiveness, how do your parents split the time with your kids and her kids? It's so funny because I feel like the minute we graduated high school, it was no longer happening. Okay.

The competition was no longer happening. Oh, that's good. It's very like my, we live closer to my parents than my sister does, but not by much. And so a lot of times we'll all just descend upon our house. her with her kids Yes Your parents Yes

Okay But there's no like I know house gets crazy I mean you live in a house Like we're here in New York in apartments And the same kind of happens here But I will say that me and my older sister

We just fought about it now I think we're not talking right now It happens every so often We like really get worked up about Because I have like just our mom Yes And she actually lives in my building But my older sister lives three

blocks away. So it's like, mom's at your house. Mom's at your house. Like, wait, but she was over last night. But why is she whatever? When are you going to come over? My kids are sleeping. Like, I hear my sister on the phone. I'm like, she's with Noah, you know? Yeah. So we are, we are combating that. And I have to say, like, it's nice to hear that you guys don't have that, especially because you said you grew up competitive. But I was trying to think I'm like, do I need to move or like, because I was trying to think like it probably is happening in so many families, the competition over the grandparents' time. Like how, I feel like more often than not,

it probably happens because you want their time. And especially on weekends, you want them there. Hello, or up. Right. Lenny's way. He asked for you. You know, the baby's like a month old. Oh, he said he wants to see.

He's crying for you. Yeah. All the time. Yeah. I will say my sister has her in-laws in the area, too. So they are often, like, they help a lot with her kids. She had, like, she has a network, too. It's, it's, honestly, it's worked out.

It works. It worked out. Amazing. It's funny because the, the competition that we had in high school or, like, the unspoken competition was really because we were just doing the same activities. Like, we both played field hockey. We both were at the same high school. We ended up, I was a freshman, which she was a,

senior it was like this like slight overlap that was just enough where like I I wasn't really I didn't feel that much like we were in competition but every so often she would be like but you get and now that I'm older it was always like the older sister was mad because the younger sister never caught shit yeah and it's a thousand percent true and also older siblings really there's a complex like there is study she led the way friends yeah and she She led the way. We got a car when I started driving because she started driving late. So then we would split the car.

And then she had like resentment for legitimate reasons. And in the moment, I was just like, you're being like really dramatic. And now that I'm an adult, I've told her multiple times. I'm like, you really got the shit under the stick. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's why it's leveled out so nicely that like we don't. But we used to fight all the time.

Like, we were either best friends or mortal enemies. I know. It really does happen with sisters. How are your, are you worried about your oldest, like getting the oldest child syndrome? She will. She already, she's, she feels her feelings really strongly. Like, she has big feelings. And so when she, when she feels something, it goes like from zero to 100.

And so there are times where she'll be like, I know it's just because you don't like me. And I'm like, I love you with my whole heart. We always start with that. I love you with my whole heart. Why do you think I don't like you? Well, because you let Ellie, and I'm like, come on now. So she just like she's, she'll, she'll say what she needs to say to like drive the dagger.

Yeah. And I'm like, a couple weeks ago, I almost. mistakenly called her my sister's name. Stop. They're just super similar. It's like that first child, the first child and she's a daughter. Her and my sister have like a lot of similarities. Really?

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It's terrible. Is it, do you get, like, ridiculous ones that you're like, are you okay? Why would you think I ever name I could that? All the time. All the time. Like, do you even know me? Like, I remember when I was pregnant, I would get, like, suggestions. and I'm like, you don't know me.

If you think I would name my kid this, like you're following somebody you don't know. You know what I mean? Yep. What's a ridiculous one that you got? The one that comes to mind the most is merit. People keep recommending merit, M-E-R-I-T-T.

Why? Because it has two T's. I have no fucking clue. And the problem is, is that what the fuck is the nickname but what's the nickname mare mare mer or mary like i don't like christmas that much uh-huh for for everything to be merry yeah i'm good no it's not the vibe too like your names are very like kind of like even though they're t they have like round kind of you know like benny ellie like they're very like feminine but also yeah merit is too like definitive you know what i mean

to like, bam. Yeah. It's not it. Do you have any recommendations? Because we have it, we haven't narrowed down, I would say, to two strong possibilities. Is there anyone you're going to tell? Like, would you tell, like, does Travis know? Do you tell your sister?

Are you keeping it just yourselves? We just, we just saw Travis a couple weeks ago. And we had a whole conversation about the names. We don't, I am very much. not in the camp of, if Jason and I decided on a name, because the same thing happened with Wyatt, you making a face at me when I tell you the name is not going to make me waiver. Like I am very much, once we've, like, for instance, I had someone when we knew that we were going to name Wyatt Wyatt, Wyatt, people felt some type of way. Now, to be clear, she is a Wyatt.

And anyone that meets her is like, oh, she's a Wyatt. When I tell you this, woman looked at me and said, you're not really going to name her Wyatt, are you? I was like, yeah. Actually, yeah, we are. My husband and I decided that we really like that name. We are going to name her that. Yeah. It doesn't phase me.

It's true. It's true. I, my second son is Lenny, and when I wanted the name, yeah, thank you. It's cute for a girl, too, with N and I. I, my family hated it. Mm-hmm. They said, it's an old man, it's an old Jewish man, like, it's this, it's that. And I was like, you're going to see.

You're going to love it. And I, it's so, isn't it a nice to be confident decision? I'm not always this confident in a decision. But when it came to like, you go over so many names, like you know, so when there's one that pops and you and your husband are like, no, no, no, we see this. And then you have your kids saying it, right? Like, no, it was like, baby Lenny. I was like, that's it.

we're done, we're done, that's it. But I'll be honest, so many people were like, like Leonard and I was like, no, nothing, then. Like, and I would tell people, and you're right, a lot of reactions weren't always positive, but it is really nice when you don't care and it won't change your vibe. You know?

That's so I think part of the problem is, is that between you and your husband, how many people have you met in your life? That like you formed an opinion on and everyone, you know their names, right? I coach field hockey. My husband has been on so many football teams and went to, like, a larger university.

Like, you're talking about meeting so many people and you formed this opinion of these people with these names that, like, you can't unhear, unlearn. Right. And so between the two of you, like, I mean, it was, I, some of the names I recommended, like, he vetoed, some of the names he recommended. I vetoed.

And it was only because we had met people with that name where I'm like, I wouldn't be able to call my kid that and not think of this person. Wait, Kylie, we have to say the, is it just me or is veto starting to sound like a good name? You're a friend's watcher, right? What time? You're a friend's watcher.

Yes. Okay, good. Oh, yeah. I just finished it for like the fifth time all the way through. Oh, right. We talked about this. No, I think of. their baby conversation all the time.

Like Ross and Rachel with the, Ruth, are we having an 80-year-old? You know, it's just timeless. It's fucking timeless. Because that is, that's exactly what you do when you're trying to name a child. The problem is that we're on our fourth. Yeah.

I have to say you asked me what name I would give you, but I don't have one for you. I will say that when I thought I was having a girl, because unlike you, I was like, are they having, like, didn't know. I was like Ellie, Ellie, Ellie, I just love the name Ellie so much. So I love that name for a girl. Yes.

But you have it already. I know. So, but headlines were headlining that you might be naming your kid, Andy. That, yeah, people really took that and ran with it. It's, I love the name, Andy. I don't love the names that get you to Andy. What are they? Andrea.

Oh. Different, like, versions of that. Oh. There's like a couple. we've looked it up so many times, although someone did tell me they named their daughter Anderson and called her Andy,

which is what I was telling Kate Hudson. Uh-huh. And people really ran with that. People ran with that. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about people running with every mother- single thing that comes out of my mouth.

Like, from this girl that you're saying fucking hid her birthday on Facebook to a girl that cannot say anything. Isn't it dumb? And also like, when I saw the headline that the latest headline that spooked me for a second was Kylie's unborn baby. Yes.

Interrupts podcast. Isn't that ridiculous? Like I was like, it took me a second to like understand the headline. And I was like, what the fuck? Yes. Like literally so you're in a pod. You were like, she's just she's over into her feet are over here in my ribs and she like busts him out for a second

and I I haven't even honestly seen the clip but I think I know what like the moment because I stopped and like sort of grab my side and was like can you move like can you just move and then you sort of like push her feet back in and you go with it but like why is that a headline so how do you what's your relationship with it because I see like you're funny about it you're like uh like does it actually piss you off sometimes do you are you embracing it is it wild to you like what are the feels sometimes it annoys me but ultimately i i i feel bad that people think that i'm interesting enough to write a fucking headline every fucking day about like just it's i'm not that interest i'm not and i am busy like being a mom people don't realize

that I don't check social media all day long. I tell everybody I doomscroll at night. That's about it. Some nights I forget to. Some nights I'm so tired of like pop on a show, put my phone on the magnetic charging stand and fall asleep. And I wake up at like 3 a.m. And I'm like 17 episodes in. And I only wake up because a kid is calling my name. Like I'm not that exciting. And I'm part of the reason why I started not going to lie is because I'm like an open book. I always have been. I've like to some degree probably to a fall. But like I won't lie to you about it. Like there are the people love to write headlines about like I refuse to eat Taylor's home cooked meal. That I didn't say. It was a couple weeks ago because

I was on Caller Daddy and talking about how I was eight weeks pregnant and we went somewhere together. And she had asked like, oh, did? Did. Did you? guys do like a double date or did someone cook and there was this whole confusion about like oh we've been on a double date before but like i couldn't eat our home cooked meal because i was eight weeks pregnant and couldn't even stomach crackers yeah and then it's a headline of like kiley refused to eat taylor's meal and i'm like no i didn't no i didn't like yeah it's just i feel i feel bad that people are still reading headlines like that and like, oh, this is really what happened. And if you go in, like, you eventually will get the contacts, but so many people don't go in

and obviously clickbait will get you there. And I am so gross, you guys, that, and this is a life hack. If you see a headline, click the comments, the first one will usually be someone being like, it said that she didn't, she actually, they went out to, she was just sick. And I'm like, okay, thank you, loser for reading that. letting us know. Exactly. I don't have to click now. But I mean,

that one is annoying because it affects like another person and you don't want them to think. But usually it's like Kylie wants you to stop making fun of her eyebrows. Yes.

Because I don't care. Wait, what are they saying? Your eyebrows are great. Well, so I fill in the first part of my eyebrows. It's like one of the only things that I do in a regular basis is when I do my makeup.

Like if I'm doing my makeup. Like a little. Which is not often. It's just. a little bit in this area because it's my eyebrow otherwise will start like back here. I have people in my DMs

who are like, just let me do your eyebrows. Like, no, thank you. I don't know how to, no. It is. I saw a message yesterday to me that was like, please God, let me style you.

Okay? I go to this girl's reach. No, when I saw you what I saw, Like, I'm so happy. Like, if it was literally like, you know, Maeve Riley, like Haley Bieber, stylist saying that to me, I'd be like, yes, let's do it, you know? Yes.

But it was this woman who posed her outfits every day and it was like literally satire and it gave me a chuckle. She was like, please, let me, for the love of God, style you. And I'm like, okay, style me. Thank you. I'll tell you that reminds me of, I get, occasionally I will get a DM that's like, I know you're about to have your third child. I've been a nanny for X number of years.

I'm about to transition out of my current family. And then you go and you click on their page and they have like bikini pictures. Their boobs are like up to here and they're in like a club dress. And it's like their whole Instagram and I'm like, girl, if you're going to market yourself. Yeah. this ain't it. Not to be a nanny. Yeah.

Yeah. But you know what? I actually love speaking of nannies. I love that you also you went in a pod at some point recently and you thanked your nanny or talked about having help. And I think that's also so important because like fuck the other shit on social media that like doesn't affect me. Like bikini pigs don't affect me. I'm not like I want that life and body and I want to be on a yacht. Like, but I think what can affect people negatively is seeing certain people and thinking like they do it all themselves, like, how do they do it? And I can't do it. And I'm telling you guys, so many people on social media lie and they, you know, make you think that they're doing it themselves and they're not. And yeah, it's not everyone's going to show their nanny and be like, here she is. And not everybody needs to say, I have help. But sometimes people are really making it seem like,

they don't have help, right? And that they're juggling all this, a job, a this, of that. And people are like, how? Like, I can barely, you know, shower or whatever. So I like that you talked about that and took a minute to say, like, yeah, thank God, there is somebody that, you know, is around to help me take a shower. Yes. I have said multiple times, are having someone, first of all, there's a reason the phrase

it takes a village is so popular. It does. Like, there's, and. And us having help has nothing to do with, like, either my husband or my own involvement in our kids' lives. It just has to do with, like, when there's so many moving parts, it's so great to have people that you can trust and rely on and that your kids also love and trust. That's a game changer. And, yeah, our nanny is great. She's been with us for, like, three years.

We, like, trust her wholeheartedly and our kids love her. Like, I can't stress enough. When your kids don't cry when you leave. them with someone, it removes a degree of that mom guilt that, like, we shouldn't have to bear. Yeah.

So, like, you're allowed to, you're allowed to leave your kids for a little bit. Yeah, I, I, you shouldn't feel bad about it. Like, there is a part of you where, like, your kid goes to whoever's helping you, right? And you're like, okay, that was smooth transition for you. But the bigger part of it is, thank God,

because, you know, And, and what's great about kids is, like, they really can trust a lot of people, like, and it's so great if they can trust a lot of people, be okay to stay with a lot of people. And like, that doesn't mean your place is like, you know, ever going to be taken. Like, you're going to be mom and we'll probably want to hang out with you. But it's really nice to have people around that. We hope don't want to hang out with us. I know. I recorded Noah saying really romantic things to me and going to sleep. And I already pictured myself putting it. on like a reel when he's like 17. Yeah. And then being like, I love you to the moon and the stars. Yeah.

Mm-hmm. Are your girls like romantic with you? Do they say really sweet things? They each have their own way. So like our oldest, she, it will need to be like in a moment of quiet. And like when she gets that like very one-on-one,

like when I'm intentional about like, oh, why, like let's go, do this. It's just the two of us. And then she very much, like, you can just tell it, fills her bucket. Like she, because she's always 17 months old, her sister showed up, she's, it's always been someone else around. Our middle is just, she came out sweet. So like, you get it no matter what.

And she'll come in in the morning, she'll cry if I'm not in bed when she wakes up because she wants to cuddle. And then she'll touch my face and like, tell me to whisper sweet about things. and our youngest will just like, she'll come over and get really close to her base and be like, I love you. I love you. Okay, bye.

And then run away. So they all have their own love language right now. But it is, it's one of those things where each way that they dish it out, you're just like, I can't get enough of that. I can't get enough. Uh-uh. Do you usually they say that girls are like daddy's girls

and boys are like mommy. is at true in your house? Our oldest, Wyatt is like there are two peas in a pod. Yeah. Our middle, I think, would still consistently choose me. And our youngest is still very much like, oh, dad's more fun, dad's more exciting. Yeah. Like she's the one who like at night when he's like, is anyone going to give me a

kiss and then it's like, me, I do it. Yeah. She's like, she very much is like still like smitten with him. But they all go through that phase. All of our girls have gone through that phase of like, dad, you cannot help me with this. This is a mom's situation. And it probably gets more like that, like, you know, teenage years when I can't, yeah, you're going to have, oh, Kylie. I know. I told Jason he's allowed to move out as long as he visits me. Like as soon as they all hit, As soon as we're all synced up, I'm like, you can move out, but you have to visit me. I can't believe you've had this conversation. That's so fucking funny.

I just, I feel bad. Like, I know what our house was like when both my sister and I were like synced up and like, like, yeah, God. Tell me a day in the life of Kylie, Kelsey. It's, this is, this is why I say I have guilt when people are like, this is so interesting. I get, I'm a morning person, so I love getting up before everyone else in the house. house. Oh my God. My husband's been driving me crazy about that. I will not tell him you said that. I love it. It's like when a peaceful house and like you let the dog out. You put an alarm. You put an alarm. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. For when?

Recently it's been like 6.15. So not even like terribly early. Like it's not that bad. And then I'll get up and sometimes I'll drive and get coffee or I'll go downstairs and make myself a cup of tea and I'll sit with the dog. Wait, you can't make coffee at home? I don't usually. Really? No, I recently got a French car and you drive to get it. Yeah. Wow. And come back.

It's very suburban of us. It is very suburban. I mean, I guess in the city, yeah. But like, if you were on your way somewhere, but you would do it even if you're not on your way, you would go get it, come back. Yeah. Okay. So how do you decide, though, if coffee or tea? Like, what's the vibes?

Some days I'll silence the alarm, and then we don't have as much wiggle room between when I wake up and when I need to go take kids to school. I see. Okay, okay. Yeah. And then around 8 o'clock, I will get the girls up because they will sleep in. Yeah. Okay. Now, goodbye. You know why we have four kids.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It all has to do with sleep. No, I will say, I will say, I will say I won't be one of those, like, people that exaggerate. complain. Noah did have like until maybe he was like three like it was like it could have been like even 5.30. Like there were days where it was bad. I will say that I and I say this to everyone who asks

me, you know, it's so hard. When does it get better? Always say like if I can like Noah's now four and a half and like putting him to sleep is the easiest thing. He wakes up. It's the easiest thing. Yep. This morning like he woke up, came to our bed, was like, can someone come with me in a living room? And we were like, yeah, my, he'll come, no, he'll come, you know, whatever. And then he's like, okay, come, come. We're like, yeah, yeah, five minutes. And then I hear making noise. And my husband was like, he's probably getting, like, chocolate. And I come and he's like playing with his toys by himself in some, in the, in his room. And what do I do? Which is why I was saying about you before. I literally come back into bed. And my husband goes to me, I, I,

can't believe you were up you walked around already and instead of getting up before the baby gets up making a coffee like you decide to get back into bed so he's been talking to me a lot he's hearing from a lot of people that set alarms wake up yes have that and it does sound really romantic but like i just want to yeah but how old is lenny he's nine months so it's it's we're not great you're not no you're not in alarm time that's not a lot time no alarm time is like what too two probably yeah i mean i probably started setting it went back to setting a morning alarm like pretty close to when she was two when ben it was two i cannot believe let's go back to you getting the girls up at eight yes meaning like they do not wake up unless you get them up at eight

yeah some mornings they'll wake up like no no i'm not seeing some mornings i get up at seven 30 and they'll come in and they'll, like, see who's still in bed. But, yeah, they're usually, well, would they go to bed at 8.30? The problem is, is that we pushed bedtime while Jason was still playing football because his schedule was so, like, not unpredictable, but it varied throughout the week. So he would get home some nights at 7 o'clock. And then if your kids go to bed at 7.30, he was literally walking in and starting bedtime. Yeah.

And they, it felt like why it wanted more time with him. So it worked better for our schedule for them to go to bed at 8.30. And so then they started getting up at like 7.30 or 8, which is just like the rhythm that we've fit our lifestyle. I hope that your fourth child is the same kind of sleeper and she doesn't pull a. And I genuinely hope. I genuinely hope. Yeah. And she doesn't pull a curveball.

But if she does, then maybe no fifth, you know. That's it. And vasectomy. Oh my God. I can't believe she put out there there's a bunch of it. Okay. So we didn't finish the day in a life.

So wakes up, goes to get a coffee or maybe a tea, then wakes up the girls because they would sleep in. Yes. Then takes them to school. Yes. We do drop off.

I will stop and get groceries on the way back if I need to stop and get groceries. But I'm a big proponent of ordering groceries. I just don't. I will go myself for, like, produce and specific meat. Can you go to the grocery store? Like, are people

in your neighbor, like, used to seeing you? I know, I'm fine. So people aren't, like, fanning and then shops. Okay. The, the one thing that works against me is my height because you stand out. I think people wouldn't think twice. Like, people wouldn't double take if I was not walking through a grocery store at almost six feet tall. In my sneakers, yeah. So, six feet tall. And so it's like, people will be like, and then once they look at me a second time, it's like, oh, but it's deep, deep rooted why I don't like the attention on me. It's because my whole life, people have done like the double take and then immediately look to my feet to be like, why is she so tall? Expecting to see like a platform. Do you like being tall? Like what's your

relationship with that? I do now. I do now. Yeah, I love it now. And I also have had to shift my self-talk. like the way I talk about height myself so that I can make sure that my girls have the example of that, I mean, they're going to be tall. They're going to be tall. I had Jessica Williams on. She's on the show shrinking

and she's so great. She's six feet. And she said that one of the things she hates getting asked about is her height. And then I was like, oh, so tell me about your height. But she was really funny about Allison

and do the clip, but she was like, she was like, she also likes it now, but she was saying like, I love to feel small. She's like, I want to feel like a baby. Oh, no,

I know why she said that. It was funny because I asked her if she, because she's, I don't think in a relationship. So I asked her if like hate plays a factor in dating. And she was like, yeah, like,

which I like that she's shamelessly said it because now everybody has to be like, no, it's fine, short kings, like, which is fine, but it's okay to say also

that you want someone taller. So she was like, I want to be baby. She was like, I want to be small. Like, I want my feet dangling. She was like when,

She was like, when my feet dangle, she was like, when my feet dangle, she's like, I am living. Do you get that too? I don't know why someone would lie about, like, I'm very much a tall person that I don't think I could have dated someone that was necessarily shorter than me. If they were close in height to me, I would have been like, okay. But one of the things that drew me to my husband when I swiped right on Tinder, was that he looked like a big guy. Like in his photos when he was staying next to people,

he looked like a big guy. And I was like, oh, that looks, that looks like you would just like kind of like swallow me up in a hug. Like you're like baby and what's it? Dirty Dancing, my favorite movie. Yes. Or they could just pick you up. And his,

the thing is with Jason, which I can imagine because, you know, there is also the joke of that a lot of girls relate to that you like put on your partners or your husband's sweatpants and you like feel so. small because they're so bag. And then the joke is that so many times men have like thinner thighs and waist and that they're actually tight. But I feel like with you, Jason's like, you could be like, I'm so cute. I'm so small in his sweatpants. Yes, which is saying

something because your girl's got some thighs. So that must be nice. Are you wearing his clothes during pregnancy? Oh, I steal his shirts all the time. I just, we recorded on Friday for not going to lie. And I was, I apologized for my attire, but was like, this is the only thing that fits. I went into his closet and stole a team issued sweatshirt that was like a 3X. And you were living. Yeah. Oh, it's great. Wait, let's go back to the Tinder.

You talked about it so many times. But what I'm wondering is, first of all, I love that this is your story, you know, that it's like Tinder. It's not even like a bumble. Like, it's like straight up Tinder. Yes. Straight up Tinder. Did you do any dating on there before, Jason? Like, did you have any success?

No. No. He was your first, like... We were only on there to, like, mess around. Like, and now, I don't mean, like, mess around, like, in the way that people think Tinder nowadays mess around. I mean it in, like, that we would sit around my friend's apartment and we would swipe, like, we would all be swiping at the same time. And we would, oh, did you get him? Oh, I got him.

You should swipe right. And if you match, like, I talked about this. So then you talk about that. Or, like, there would be guys on there who would, like, of course, have... picture after picture of them like in the gym, no shirt on, like absolute washboard abs. And I would swipe right, match with them and then make comments about like, I hate to break it to you, but I really think you need to cut back on the carbs. You were trolling people on Tinder.

There was one kid who had like this like massive steak photo. And I still remember because I was like, that's, that is not even an impressive piece of meat. Like, things like that where I was just like, we're just messing around. What? So, but you saw Jason. Wait, did you know him because you were an Eagles fan like forever? It's interesting. I have always been an Eagles fan with him being not only an offensive lineman, but he was still

fairly young when we met. I think it was like his fourth, third or fourth season just after his third or fourth season. So I didn't, I eventually got to a point where I was like, He kind of looks familiar, but I always tell people, like, you have to take into account that when you see them on Sunday on your TV, they usually always have their helmets on. So, like, how much of their face are you actually seeing consistently? Oh, that's true.

And he's an offensive line. And at that point, he didn't have the podcast. He wasn't as, like, front facing, like, today, so. He hadn't done the, what he's known for in Philly, which is the art museum steps for the Super Bowl speech. Oh, got you. In like the sequence. Yeah.

That's where it took a turn. Yeah. But so, but you saw his pick. Was there a pick of him? I'm like picturing him. You know, the official like football pick when they're like stepping up? Did he have that? Like, did he have the, okay.

So it was all personal picks? Yes. And it took years later to, for me to be saying something in front of him about how I didn't know. It might have been on New Heights. where I was saying he didn't have any photos on there that showed him in Eagle's stuff, in his uniform, any of it. And he was like, yes, I did.

I was like, no, I feel like I would have remembered that. Yeah. Come to find out he had put a screenshot of a TV, like as if someone had taken a picture of him on the TV. When I don't know if it was a preseason game or when he was on IR for an injury. And so he was without a helmet. in, like, Eagles team-issued gear, but wasn't uniformed.

Tinder at the time was cropping photos to a perfect square. And so the lower third and, like, the ticker and the graphic at the top with, like, that it indicated that it was a game was all cut out. So it was literally just his face, like this strong beard, his man bun, and that's it. Like, that's all it was. I don't even think that you could see, like, any bit of the Eagles emblem that was on his shirt in the photo. Oh, my God. So such a dad, like a dad profile. This whole time he thought like, yeah, I showed people that I was on the Eagles and I'm like, oh, you don't know how cropping photos worked. That's so cute. So we got to the bottom of it. But there was nothing on there that

indicated, yeah. But you saw the, you saw the size. Yes. And that appealed to you. Yes. And did he say the first thing? No, I sent it. It was something ridiculous, right? This is why I didn't need it. When someone was explaining Bumble to me years later, I was like, oh, I didn't need to be told to message people first. I messaged him. I need life alert. I've fallen for you and I can't get up. Because you were half still in your messing around, right? Correct. Like you were maybe like a little bit you were into, but you were also still in the messing around vibes.

Okay, I got you. He didn't like that one. And I have since outed myself for my follow-up, which is nothing that would make my father proud. I then said, if I told you I work for UPS, would you let me handle your package? And he was like, I like that so much. No, I can't believe the first. Wait, the first one, he didn't. He left you on red until there.

No, no, no, no. He was like, I feel like you can do better. And I was like, oh, yes, I can. Oh, Kylie. yeah she's a surprising lady all around you guys like who would like who would have thugn i yeah i mean it it worked we're almost four kids in i know 10 years later yeah proud of you proud of you babe i was very proud of you that on oh my god proud of you look transitions oh i was also proud of you that on your pod with jason that he came on not going to lie you did

We did a little pop culture, Chris. We did. So proud of you. Who won? He technically won. Which I told you I didn't think that would happen. You did, you did. But it did.

Did your feelings about Timothy Shalomey change? There's been a lot of more press coverage. No, but I do love that you explained it perfectly. That I was like, I'm just confused. And you were like, you're not attracted. And I was like, oh. Is it that simple? It is that simple.

Yeah. But here, you explained it. You saw Jason. He was large and in charge. Yes. Your vibe. You see someone small. Not your vibe.

I do think he's a great actor, though. Like I have, but there's movies that I've seen him in where I'm like, yeah. You did great. Good job. That's nice, Kylie. He feels better now. I'm sure he cares a lot. He has one Kylie in his life that is all.

motherfucking over him, so he is good. Okay, we're going to see if you got any better at pop culture before I let you go, because I've taken up way too much of your time. Okay. Do you know what Traders is? Yes. Okay. Wait.

Gabby is delightful. Okay, I don't, I didn't, I haven't watched the show. Okay. But I know, my understanding is that from a clip that I saw that, that she won. Yeah. Faithful's one. And Dolores from Housewives. But yeah, she was in the faithfuls and she won. And she's, yeah, she's really blowing up right now. And she's hilarious. And you see like her TikToks and stuff like that. I've gotten so many TikToks with her TikTok audio. Like the whole like, you're not going to like it here. I'm like you're incredible. Yeah. She's so good. Yeah. And I like that she sounds like a Valley Girl. But then when she starts talking, you're like, oh, you are. are intelligent and clever and I love that I love that too yeah where is the new season of the

white lotus taking place you're not watching white lotus that's like a it's like a mutt like you have to like you actually let me think about this the last one was no the first one was Hawaii right what yeah yeah the second one was overseas in Europe this is bad right they were in they were in um yeah you see what i'm saying i didn't you know what but i didn't ask about the second one are you watching the third one no but i thought about it last night and then i saw that instead on hbo they have myth busters so i put that on instead what myth was busted they were doing quicksand it's so you don't die if you fall in it wait so what is the myth the final

the sand, the easier it is for you to get sucked up. Oh, not the wetter. Not the, not the... No, no. Okay. Now we know. It was in Sicily, Italy, season two. This season is in Thailand.

What new movie is Blake lively coming out with? Do you know, have you seen a simple favor with her and Anna Kendrick years ago? Okay, so it's going to be another simple favor. It's a sequel. Great. Yeah. Well, now you have to be a simple favor. be more in it with, like, your pod and you're interviewing people with, like, the current

stuff that's going on. Okay. This is going to be not a, yeah, this is going to be, I think you can do this one. Three celebs that have either a skincare or a beauty brand. Ooh, okay. You can do it. Selina Gomez, Rare Beauty. Nice.

Rihanna, Fenty. Nice. Right. She does have Fenty. Yeah. Does she have another one? No, no, no. I mean, like, Fenty is, like, also.

Oh, yeah, but you're right. Yeah. You can do it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and... You're going to make one up? No. Okay. I just think that I have this connection, right?

And I feel like I'm taking this question a step further because I'm not only giving you the brand, but I'm also giving you the celebrity. Okay. And you only asked for the celebrities. I didn't ask for the name. That's right. Technicality. I think, so bad. Gwyneth Paltrow.

Uh-huh. Super goop. Goop. Goop. Nice. Super Goop is the... You know what? I think Super Goop is a different...

I think Super Goop is not Goop. It's like a different brand. No, but Goop is... I was close. I was very close. Very close. There's also Scarlett Johansson. She has the outset.

There's Kim Kardashian has skin with two K's. There's so many. Honestly, with this question, you could probably just pick a celebrity. But you did good. I'm very proud of you. Thank you. This one you won't get. This is like a million dollar round.

Who is Brad Pitt dating right now? Are they young? Yeah, and you wouldn't know. Her name is Ines Derriman, just so you know. Now you know, now you know, like... I feel like with a name like that, she... I mean, granted, if she's dating Brad Pitt, I get it. She has to be stunning, right?

She is stunning. She dated. Did you ever watch The Vampire Diaries? Yes. Okay. Look at you go. Um, member, Stephanie, is that the nice one or the evil one? That's the nice one.

Oh, she did, she was married to the nice one. She was married to the nice one. So she wouldn't say like, I mean, Brad Pitt to me is the Holy Grail, but you're not sure. No, you don't feel he's not the Holy Grail for you. Is he? Oh, yeah. It's a good question. This is serious.

I wonder. Do you think he's six? By the way, actors. lie and the Google about them lies. Well, I have to be honest. There was like a heart throb when I was growing up. And I wasn't that intrigued by the heartthrob anyway,

but the minute I found out how tall they were, I was like, I knew I was good. I knew I was good. Did you date the heart throbber now? No, but he went, no, it's like an actor. Oh, oh, you don't know his name? It was Zach Ephron, but apparently he's tall. No. Oh, you were like, no. Oh, by the way. I was like, I don't see it. And then when I found out he was, I'm pretty sure he's like five, nine.

Bringing it back for full circle to traitors that was the reality show. Gabby was on. Zach Ephron's brother, Dylan Ephron, was on? The show as well. Guess what? He's the tall brother. Is he younger? Because this is a theory I have. Lenny will be taller than Noah. really okay i see it already because he's a bigger baby yeah so what's the theory i'm two inches taller than my sister if you have consecutive like the same gender consecutively for your first and second child your second child is going to be taller than your first brad pit is 511 does that mean it's a no go yeah i get i like i by the way that probably means nine, Zach Ephron, height, let's see. Five, eight. You see what I'm saying? Which is like five, which is probably five, six or seven. Yeah. Listen, there is also a thing.

You guys just, you know, actors are short. Like, you're welcome. Actors are short. They're short, most of the time. So that's why Kylie Kelsey is married to an athlete. I took up so much of your time, but it's because I just love talking to you. Thank you for coming on. I'm so glad that. No, thank you for having. me. We got to do it again. I went on Kylie's pod, Not Gonna Lie, if you guys want to hear more of us because we're so good. And tune in to Not Gonna Lie because it's so good and I'm so happy as is the rest of the world that you started a pod. Thank you. I've, yeah, I just had to, I had to have an opportunity to set the record straight. I don't, I don't, I don't, again, don't love being a center of attention or having the focus on me, but it's an opportunity not only to set the record

straight when I need to. But then I also get to meet incredible people like you and get to talk to people and learn. Like I told you when you were on, I love how passionate you are about pop culture and that in motherhood you haven't lost that. And it's, it's just, I get to talk to amazing people like you. And so that really gives me such a, it's a benefit to having to be in the spotlight, which is something I don't necessarily enjoy. That was brought upon. you in certain ways, but I think that your platform and like what you do and what you talk about. Like I think like at the end of the day,

most of your followers and what they care about is not the fucking, you know, fact that you were, you know, in a Super Bowl suite with like Ice Space, which is cool if you were there that day. But I think people want to hear from you about motherhood, about pregnancy, about having kids, about the normal shit, because at the end of the day I think everybody sees something,

which is an annoying word to use, but relatable in you. So they're not looking for like, you know, the glitz and the glam. They're looking for you to just talk and say it how it is. And that's what you're giving everybody. That's all I've got. I wish you a really easy end of your pregnancy. Thank you. Hop her out.

I'm going to go do sprints later this week. Let's see if I can't. I'm going to do sprints in the backyard. See if I can't evict her myself. Oh, you're trying to get her out? I've had enough. Well, you don't want her on your B day. Sure.

That would actually help me a lot. Oh, take the focus off. You see what I'm saying? Okay. Do you want to know how different we are, Kylie Kelsey? Like, fuck off. Like, Lenny was due on my birthday and, like, they had to schedule an induction because he wasn't coming and wasn't coming, wasn't coming.

And when I had to think about what date, I was like, wait, so if my birthday, is at the 35. Like, I wanted my own day and my husband judge me so bad. He's like, I can't believe you don't want to, like, have the same day as your baby. Like, he, like, judged me for not wanting to share my day. No.

And I was like, I want my own day. No, I love that for you. Not to be a bitch, but, like, not to be, like, I wanted him to have his own day. Like, I'm not even kidding. I know it sounds like I'm lying out, but I don't want him to be like, you know, like have him have his own day.

But also, who the fuck wants to be in labor on their birthday. Right. So don't, don't be silly. No, no, but I would, I would take one for the team for that. You would do that. Yeah, a thousand percent. I, that actually sounds like something I would like. Okay. Then I wish that for you, my love. Thank you so much. Thank you for coming on. And I hope to see you again soon and talk to you again soon. You're the best. Yes, please. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny, but not fat. Follow me on Instagram at not skinny but not fat.

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