Not Skinny But Not Fat - LALA KENT: MOM LIFE & THE END OF VPR (AS WE KNOW IT)

Episode Date: December 31, 2024

My girl Lala is back! We discuss mom life and her second baby girl Sosa, going to Coachella while pregnant, being on Are You Smarter Than A Celebrity?, whether she wants more kids, her friendship with Scheana, where she stands with Katie, The Valley, and her feelings about the new VPR.Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome back to the Not Skinny Bonafat podcast. I'm your host, Amanda Hirsch, and I still can't believe that I get to chat with some of my favorite stars from my very own podcast, where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room. I hope everyone had a love. Lovely and happy and Merry Christmas. I know for some of us, you're enjoying being off from your job.

For some of us, your kids are still off from school and you're going crazy. Some of us are vacationing in really warm places. And some of us are in the cold. Hello, hello. Wherever you are in the world, thank you for tuning in to the pod. Today's going to be a fun episode. It's with our girl, Lala, Lala, I don't know why I'm saying it like that. Lala Ken, you guys, Vanderpump Rules.

Vanderpump Rules is over. No more Vanderpump Rules. I mean, yes, Vanderpump Rules, but, like, new cast, like, do we care? Are we going to watch? I haven't decided, but I'm really, really sad. I'm one of the people that are really, really sad because it was my favorite show. It was the Bravo show that kind of hooked me on all of Bravo. It was the Bravo show that I always said was the best show of all time, and that's it, and that's it.

But, you know, so many things have happened from Scandival to now, James at all. All of you love James, right? You all fell for his little act. Everyone was loving James while Sandoval was like rotting. James was was beaming and gloating. And he sucks too. He freaking sucks. And his like story apology sucked.

So whatever he did to Ali, which obviously something happened if the cops were called and he was arrested for domestic violence, like something went down. He's been fucking up for years. Like maybe these people shouldn't be on the show anymore. You know, maybe I'm turning. Maybe I'm turning. Though it is sad, maybe I'm turning. A lot of toxicity in there. Anyway, enjoy my conversation with Lala.

She's a mom now. Baby Sosa is here. She's also a contestant on Travis Kelsey's new. Are you smarter than a celebrity? He's hosting that. It's on Prime Video. Also, stay tuned to the very end of the pod where I check in with Lala in real time. She was kind enough to hop on a Zoom with me when the Vanderpump rules. News broke that it won't be returning.

in its original capacity, which is a very sad day. So Lala gave me her real-time reaction to that news. So stay tuned at the very end and enjoy my conversation with Lala Kent. Lala's here. I'm here. I'm back, bitches. Do you remember when you were first on? The depressing time?

What do you mean the depressed? The depressed. Like it was like a day after. Yeah. You were the first person I talked to. Yeah. You were the only person I felt safe talking to, truthfully. My love.

I remember that day you were frail. Yes. You were not that well. This is like right after the rambles stuff had come out. And I remember during the interview we were like crying and I kept saying, don't cry, Lala. And then people got mad at me. They're like, you can tell. Well, I did learn from, sometimes.

Sometimes when people, because people said, don't say don't cry. Like, not that I'm saying they should have judged me for it, but. I didn't want you to cry, but it's also like they meant, I'm sure, in a nice way, like, let someone cry kind of thing. Yeah. I think a lot of times if you can get past the criticism, you understand that it's, like, productive. Yeah. And not everything is meant to be like a troll. I mean, it is annoying to point every single thing in life out. Well, most things.

But I do remember it now. So when people cry, I actually don't say don't cry. Okay. Well, I'm happy that I could teach you something. I was like, don't fucking cry on this podcast, bitch. That didn't bother me, though. No. Not at all. I just took it as like you were trying to get me to watch you that way. I get it.

It's so crazy what time does, though, because I remember that so vividly. And then as time has gone on, you know, he and I have learned to like be productive in conversations. And we still have ups and downs. But it's like, let's look at the one thing that we have in common. And that's ocean and looking out for her best interest. and just it's wild what time does, right? So you're good now? I wouldn't say we're good.

Again, we have one thing in common, and that's our daughter. And when we have conversations, we stick to that, and they're productive conversations. Maybe you'd let go a lot of the anger. Yeah, because look at my life. Like, I have so much that I never thought I would have. Like, I didn't ever think that I would be okay. without that person. Yeah.

You know? No, you have baby Sosa. Like I'm doing it. I know. You did it. I did it. I remember, well, we were just talking about this before we started. I remember when you told me we were pregging.

Yeah. First of all, we remember when you told us you were going to do this. You know, you kind of told the world, like, I'm going to do this. I think people thought I was full of shit. I was going to say, like, maybe some people were like, oh, storyline, you know, sperm party, whatever the fuck. Right. And then, like, she's here.

Yeah, it is wild to see the outside world respond to certain things. And I look at like Kyle Richards' life and they said that was a storyline. Me getting pregnant was a storyline. And it's like storylines, you don't like transition your whole life for a TV show. I don't at least. I'm not signing up for the next 18 plus years for one good season on a show. Yeah. So. No, that's psycho. I've seen Aaron from Real Housewives of New York just announced and I thought it'll be like, well, she needs a storyline. I'm like, well, you know, that's why people have babies. No, it's like, it is a little wild and a little crazy. But I, I knew from the jump, it was like, I don't ever want to share a baby again. I enjoy doing motherhood on my own. And if I have that option, why would I not do it? And I think you're right. People looked at the sperm donor party and And they were like, this is so... But did you choose sperm from that party?

Yes. That's the donor. The one that we all gave the happy face to, that is my baby daddy. I don't know who he is, where he lives, what he looks like. No, you do know what he looks like, no? I saw, I opted to not see adult photos because I, then it's too close. It takes away the, the just mine aspect, right? So I saw photos.

Wait, why does it take away the just yours aspect? Because if I'm out and about and I'm like... And you see him? And I see someone that may look like him. It's like, oh, my, there's now a face to look at my daughter and be like, she looks like the donor. I look at my baby and I'm like, she looks just like me. I don't have anyone else to compare her to, right? She's gorgeous.

I love her. And I love that the story you posted the other day when she fell asleep with her arm up, like the piano. I watched that twice. I was like, that's so cute. She's so sweet. And she's, I call Ocean, my golden child, because she's. She's the first born and just like the one who made me a mom and she's so spicy and so fun to watch. And then Ocean, or Sos is my dream baby where it was like I wanted you for so long.

And now you're, you like exist. That's a strange feeling when you're like, we're trying to get pregnant and you like think of the names. And then the baby's here. And it's like, oh, it's not just a name now. Like there's a face to the name and it all came together. You know what I said to Lenny yesterday? And it was funny because my husband heard me talking to him and he's like, what did you say to him? And it was actually something sweet. It wasn't like you pooped again, you know. But I said to him, I can't believe I made you. I know. Like I just, I'm looking at you and I'm like, I can't believe I made you. That's wild. I've made you. You made a brain and a heart. Like your kids are going to go out one day. You're welcome. You're welcome. And have like, be productive humans in society. And you created that inside of your body. Crazy. I know. I still can't get over it.

Pregnancy and stuff. Oh, I was like at Coachella. You were fist pumping. You did vibe. I did. What? It was like easy, breezy for you. You're one of those people that likes being pregnant, huh? Well, second trimester is always my favorite. Always the two times I've done it. Yeah. But I don't, I haven't been to Coachella since I was like drinking and I'm six years sober.

So. Those outfits. Thank you. I just like wanted to bring the bump out. I wanted to show so, so that, like, her mom can fucking get down. And I feel like music is really important when you're pregnant. They do say that. Yeah. And how did Ocean take all this? The newcomer.

Yeah. The newcomer we call Sosa. Ocean is obsessed. In fact, whenever I tell Ocean, like, I love you so much. You're my baby. She goes, but you love Sosa, right? Sosa is your baby. Well, now she can say her arms.

Does that not make you sad? Sometimes a NOAA says stuff like that. I take it, like, it makes me sad. It makes me sad because I have a very, a very unhealthy relationship with time passing since my dad passed away. I'm like, time moves and things change and I do not like that. With the second baby, by the way, to me, tell me if you feel this way. Like with your first one, you're in the trenches, so you're like, oh, and then one day they're, you know, four. Right. And then with the new baby, you know how quick that went with

the first. So every day you're like, this is crazy. You're bigger. And like you are way more cognizant of like how time is crazy. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. How old is Sosa now? How? She's just shy of three months. She'll be three months. That's crazy.

Yeah. Because how old is Lenny? Five months. Yeah, because we were pretty back to back. No, you were back to back? You were bumping at Chicago. When I saw you, when I told you like I'm expecting a baby. And you told me, by the way, let's take a moment.

She told me you invited me to go see Chicago with you, which was such a dream because I heard Ariana was doing it. And I was like, this is something I'd like to be invited to. It was just a thought, you know, everyone has it. You manifested. It was like, this is something I could buy tickets for or something like, I want to be invited to this. Right. Like buy Chicago or something.

Yeah. I get it. Chicago, send me tickets. I want to be somebody. Yeah. I was like, this feels like something I should be invited to. I literally I'm not joking you the next day you send me that message. And you're like, your mom dropped out.

Yep. Right? And you were like, do you want to come with me? And I'm like, Oh, that's called manifestation. I know, I do it. I do it in my life. So then I came and I don't usually go to things. So I was like, of course I want to go with like Lala to see this and whatever. And I think you told me at the bar, at the Times Square bar.

Yeah, I like rolled up on you and was like, hi, I'm so excited you're here. I'm having a baby. Can you believe that? I think you were like a few weeks. No, it was so new. Like three weeks, like crazy. Brand fucking new. And what's wild about the process that I went through is it's not like you're with a partner

where it's like I'm ovulating, let's start trying, you start bumping pee-pies every night. It's like I'm ovulating, go into the doctor, one and done. So the time that you like- You know from the day. It was the longest. So yeah, so it's so long-est pregnancy ever. So I'm like, did I miss my period? I don't know when it is.

Miss three periods. It's like you know from the day, from the jump. Right. They're like, take a pregnancy test two weeks from today. So it was just like a massive. countdown of everything, and it felt like I was pregnant for 100 years. Yeah. Yeah. I love when people say, like, you've been pregnant for, it's like, oh, you feel it? You feel it? I hate when people say that. I know. But some people I'm like, they have been

pregnant for me. You know, sometimes you get it about other people. You're like, Lindsay from summer house. Like, say it behind the back. I know. Don't go to the comment section. Like, I know. I'm feeling it. I feel it. And how is the birth? Oh, like, so fast. You're so annoying. I, no, this triggering trigger warning wait what do you mean did you have great i loved both well keep in mind the process of labor so i got induced at 4 a.m okay i had no food in my system it was that sucks horrific every time they flipped me on my back i would pass out and start vomiting why did they flip you because you know just to get the baby moving right oh not in a scary way no okay it didn't feel scary when they were doing it but it was scary because every time they did it i would pass out she

What do you mean you pass out? Goneer. Goneer. Why? That's a, that's terrifying. She must have been situated in some type of way. What do you mean lost consciousness, Lala? Apparently there was, it happened a few times. And there was one time that my mom was like, we have a problem, we have a problem. Because I was, I had the remote in my hand. They were doing something with my hoo-ha. And I was just fixated like this and my pupils were just dead still. But I wasn't moving. And I don't even remember it. I remember waking up and the pain, the drugs.

I mean, anesthesia doesn't do that. No, it was definitely the epidural. I think it was definitely the way she was positioned that like when I was on my back, it was hitting some, she was hitting something that was making me like. And still you described the birth like, oh, amazing. Vomited, passed out, almost had a stroke. Like, what? See, it's all about the attitude, guys.

No, no, but this is a good point. It is all about the attitude because I'm sure. And this, I think, is helpful to people because just so you know, you can have a bitch like Lala be like, birth was amazing. But she actually like was vomiting and passing out. So it's all in the eye of the beholder. Right. And it's about attitude. And you can be complaining and be like birth is, listen, to me, it's just like I'm very grateful for my births.

I know that people go through a really tough births and I had two vaginal good ones. Healthy babies. Knock on wood. But do I think it's a feral? like primal crazy experience that when you look from the outside end

you're like are you insane totally like are you insane but I think that's what I like flipping back flipping this like you know

everything you look at it and by the way I look at it today like and part of me saying that Lenny like can't believe I made you

is like it's scary this whole thing birth and giving birth and you just need to be thankful like they're here

you did it you're alive they're alive everyone's okay Are you going to do it again? I think I'm going to do it again. I'm not ready for this stage of life to be over. Because if you think about the stages of life, right?

You like find a boyfriend. You maybe marry them, have kids with them. You have children. The next time you have babies, it's going to be your grandkids. I'm not ready to accept that the baby stage is over until my kids have kids. But are you going to wait to find someone? No. Okay.

You're going to do it this way, you think. Yes. I with the same sperm. Same, same donor. Did you buy a lot? I have like, I have 16 vials left because I got pregnant the first time. I was very fortunate that I got pregnant the first time. So I've got 16, what is it called?

The first try, the first insemination. Insemination. Mm-hmm. And I know that so many women struggle to get pregnant. And even my fertility specialist, he was like, and I didn't struggle with fertility issues. Like, ocean. Can you explain something to me? Yeah.

When you do it your way, the way, the way you did. Yeah. So do you have to do like IVF, like hormone stuff? No. You don't. No. Because it's just like instead of having sex, you're getting inseminated. 100%.

Oh. All I did was like I'm ovulating. I don't know why I do it, but. Yeah. No. It's literally just like you're having sex in a very scientific way. Okay. So you don't have to go through retrievals and, okay.

Nope. And that's why I, people would ask me, so are you picking the gender? and it's because I just got insinimated. So I didn't do IVF. I did IUI. So you didn't know it was going to be a girl? No, I had no idea. We'll be right back after the break.

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you're going to be a boy mom. Oh. Now I think they're all full of shit. Now you're like... No one told me what my future held. Let me just say that. And you went to a lot of psychics? Yeah, I love a good psychic.

And they didn't get anything right? Well, I certainly would have been more careful in my navigating through life if they would have been like, oh, by the way, your life kind of like shifts a bit and you end up getting a sperm donor. I would have been like, okay, I can't believe you know. I can't believe Sosa is not even three months and you know you're going to do it again. Yeah, I'm obsessed. What? Like more than one more? If I do three, what's one more?

Lala. I know. I really love it. I love all of it. I love coming home from the hospital, having my cookie, be in so much pain and having to baby the cookie. I love wearing the diaper. I love squirting. What do you mean you love it?

What do you mean you love it? I just. You love it in retrospect or you love it in the moment? I love it in the moment. I think it's what you said. It's very primal. And after I— Or do you love feeling like I did this?

Like, do you love that? You're going to do a water birth next time I have a feeling. No, here's why. I'm really into like the holistic shit, right? Like, I can get down with some hippie shit. The one where I draw the line is like, Like, inside of my body, we must know what's going on. I need the ultrasounds.

I need a doctor there. If God forbid something goes wrong, I want the drugs, give it all to me. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why people wait to go into labor. Just get induced. Oh, what do you mean? Why?

You got induced both times? Both times. I told my doctor, I don't want to feel a thing. They asked me, they were like, we're going to start the induction process, and then we'll give you the epidural. I said, nah, nah, Jan. We do the epidural, then we induce. Wow.

Humpty, dumpting my ass through this whole experience. So I, you're right, because the second time I was like this miracle that I thought I would not feel contractions because I was being induced because I went over. Right. And they asked me what I wanted first. And I'm like, well, I don't feel like contractions yet. So I'm not going to get an overdone if I don't feel like I'm not trying. And then I felt the contractions. And I was like, like, like my pain tolerance is.

a zero because I couldn't handle it. And then I felt and then I got the epidural, but then it was scary a little bit because the epidural affected the baby. Okay. That is scary. So that's why I asked if they were turning you over because of that because they had to flip me because he wasn't, he wasn't

distressed. Wait, you said you were induced or you were not? I was induced, but I wanted to wait to get the epidural, not that mattered. And they do tell you the epidural can affect the baby. The heart rate, yeah. And it fucking did immediately. Okay. See, that's, I, I, Luckily, it is scary for a minute.

It's scary for a minute. Luckily, what's crazy is it's stressful, 20 doctors in the room, all the shit you think you're dying, and then they're like, they put you on your hands, they put you in like a dog. Like a dog. And they're like, okay, we're in the clear. And you're like, that did it? Like, you looked like I was going to, like, I'm so happy that did it. Right.

It could end, you know, it could not work. And then maybe it's like an emergency C-section. But yeah. Anyway, I'm glad that all went well and that you're going to do it again. Again, again. No peer pressure at all. No problem. No prob. No problem. Okay. Well, so is it harder? Like, do you think people have this question? One to two or zero to one for babies? I think one to two. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think? I think zero to one. You didn't have one before. Now you do. Yeah. Maybe I blocked it out. Like what, yeah. That's what I'm saying. With the first one, I think you're like in the trenches.

Right. And also you were going through a lot. So you're like, you know, the second one, you can like see what's going on. Right. And I also think because people prepared me, like, I feel like I was over prepared. Everyone was like, two is no fucking joke. It's a fucking nightmare. But remember, everything's fleeting. So I prepared myself for this to be like the hardest time of my life. And then it was like, oh, this isn't like as bad as people told me it was going to be. What are you doing right now? Are you breastfeeding? Yeah. Can I tell you something? Please.

So I pumped when I got here, but there was nowhere to put my breast milk to save. Did you give it to someone? Well, I put it in my coffee and drink 10 ounces of breast milk this morning. Why? I'm not going to dump it down the sink. First of all, buy a Saras chill and you could have saved it for 20 hours cold. Like, you need this. How big is that?

20 ounces. You can save 20 ounces. So is that like this? Yeah. Wait, how did I not know about this? I'll send it to you. It's good. And they have a baby one too, so if I'm like just going for a few hours.

But do you have to keep it cold? Well, you put ice. There's like an inner valve. And so you put ice in the inner one. So all you need to get is ice. And then you pour it in the, it's really genius, especially if you do these short trips. Will you send me a link? Of course, but I can't believe you.

No. I don't even know about this. I saw a message from a follower, you guys, which if you're listening to this, so sweet. but no, thank you. She was like, hi, I'm in Manhattan. My baby's not with me. I pumped a bunch of breast milk.

Like, do you want it? For your baby? And I'm like, I don't know why it grosses me out. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure people do it. And if you don't have, like, people buy this. There's a black market for it. Like, it's crazy.

It goes for a pretty penny. But to me, like, I don't know. It feels like such a personal thing. I don't know that I would give my baby someone else's booby milk. It's crazy. So what is she drinking at home when you're not there? You pumped before? Oh, honey. We are prepped. As my night nurse says, I have a good factory. I don't know how that happened either. Because I was never married to the idea of breastfeeding. I was like, maybe I'll do it. Maybe my milk will come in. Maybe it won't. Maybe she'll latch. Maybe she won't. And how long did you go with Ocean?

Nine months. Exclusive or did you start like supplementing and shit? I didn't supplement, but at that point they started eating like a little bit of solid food. Yeah, yeah. And at that point in time, I also was having to share, share her. So she would go without feeds. At nine months is when she started having sleepovers at my exes. And so I had to fully give it up. Completely.

Yeah. So you were breastfeeding or you were like pumping breastfeeding? Both. Yeah. I would do bottles because I would have to work throughout the day so someone could give her a bottle. Yeah. And then at night it was exclusively on. in the boob. So do you have any plans for

Sosa or you're just kind of going with the flow? Swinging it. I don't want, I don't want pressure. That's the one thing that I tell, like, I hate the question, are you going to breastfeed? Because it... You're so right. It doesn't always just happen that way. You may not produce enough. Your baby may not latch, and it's like,

that's fine. Who gives a shit? Yeah. Right? Whatever works. Whatever works. Just like, your baby's fed. Your baby's loved. In general, I think, like, planning with a baby is good, but planning too much, it's like, You don't know, babe. You literally don't know until you're in it.

No what I mean? You don't know. You don't know. You're right. You can plan a breastfeed. And then the thing with planning is like the joke's on you because you're going to be upset. If you made this huge plan, you're going to breastfeed like this, you know, blah, and you bought the whatever. And then, God forbid, something isn't working right.

You're going to be so upset. So that's why you have to leave all the doors kind of open and say, I'd love to. If that doesn't work out, I'll do this. If that doesn't work out, I'll do that. You know what I mean? Yeah. motherhood is the only part of my life that I've been able to find the gray. I'm so black or white in every aspect and it causes me so much anxiety.

Motherhood is the one place where it's like, whatever, fuck it, you know? Yeah. So what Ocean Hector bangs off. I know. I saw you were upset about that. Well, we worked really hard to get it long. Wait, tell me about Sosa, the name. The name is Sosa.

You had to clear it up. Oh, my God. Who did people think you named her after? Well, at first people were like, she named her baby after the Chief Keefe song, Love Sosa. Okay. These bitches love Sosa, which I love that song so much. Yeah. Totally a banger.

Do I sing it to Ocean and take out the cuss words? Yeah, I do. Yeah. Not from the song. It was just a name that, like, she wasn't named after Sammy Sosa, but the first time I heard the name Sammy Sosa. I was like, Sosa, I like that name. And you wrote it down? And I wrote it down in my journal at the time.

And then you get a phone, right? And then you put things in your phone. And it just, it stuck throughout. Like you knew this. Yeah. And it was one of very few names that has made it through every elimination process. Yeah. And I think Ocean would have been Sosa had I not come in contact with a beautiful yacht named the Ocean Alexander.

And I was like, Ocean. First Born is going to be Ocean. So second born is Sosa. It's so cute. What does it mean again? Well, in Portuguese, it apparently means salt water. I had no idea. Which works with Ocean.

Yeah, so let's just go with that. Oh, you didn't know that? No. Oh. Apparently it also means like cocaine, but I'm like, your drug addict is showing. Like, if you know to roll up on your dealer and be like, do you have any Sosa, you're a Cokehead. Well, don't expect your next baby to be called Michelle. You know, you're going to whip out some crazy name.

Probably, yeah. Probably. I saw you talking about your pod. Yeah. Like you love talking about your pod. Not a podcast, like a pod, pod, pod, pod, pod. Pod pod, like Orcas. Yeah.

And like you said about dating, kind of, that you're scared to bring someone in because of the pod and your mom and your brother. And his girlfriend? That's a girlfriend? No, there's no girlfriend. Also, who's the third? Who's the lady? It's just my, I mean, people come and go, you know? No, but you talked about, I saw you said your mom.

Yes. Isson? No. Some other, we'll get to that. Some other girl. Okay. Some other girl? Oh, I thought he had a girlfriend.

He doesn't. So he's single. No, he's single. Huh. But I like the pod mentality because you can still find a partner, but no one leaves the pod. The pod just grows, right? Oh, so you changed your thought process on this. I thought you said, I have this pod.

I'm scared to fuck it up. I'm scared to date. Well, it's going to take a very special person to be okay with my mentality and the structure. Like my brother and mom live here. Yes, and they may not always live here, but we're always going to be extremely close, right? Like, things change. My family was living in Utah and then all of a sudden we're all in one house again. And I just like the way things are going right now.

Yeah. I do not hate men. I can't wait to find a person, but it will take a very special person to fit into the way that I've structured my life. And when you get to the level of independence that I never thought I would have, right? Which many, many women have this level of independence, right? But when you don't think that you'll ever have it, you suddenly are not willing to compromise to restructure. Yeah. So whoever comes into the pod, better be fucking worthy.

Have you met anyone that, like, sparked a little bit of worthiness? Yet. Is your picker in a good place? I think my picker is in the place of, like, we're looking for some dick not to join the pot. Okay. We're not quite there yet. Okay. I forgot, you know, you just said dick.

And, like, Carmen, I forgot that that's one of your favorite word. I love the dick word. No, because you guys, we were introduced to Lala with blowjobs and sex talk. And all of a sudden, it's like, so when did you have your baby? You know what I mean? No, it's very weird. And then it's like, wait, you used to like, you know. I used to give blow jobs.

Now, I'm like, I kiss my baby. I'm not putting that thing in my mouth. Are you crazy? That is crazy. It's gross. It's very, it is. But, like, who am I? I don't know.

You're both. You can be all the things at once. You can't be all the things. Yep. Don't say that you can't. It's a good excuse not to, but you can't say that you can't. Okay, sexiest man alive, speaking of dating, was really crazy this year. John Krasinski won.

Yeah, that was wild to me. But I get it. The personality, he's got like that, that's something special, right? I mean, you're talking like he's ugly. Like, he's cute, too. Well, I have a very specific. Type. What is it? You have to have all the things working. What? Just thinking of your ex. I don't know. Well, that's what's really hard is a lot of people who are like dating experts and like want to set me up. They're like, I have a perfect guy for you. He's just your type. He's only a few years older than your ex. I'm like, that's where we have to stop. My ex is not my type. Like in any way, shape or form is he my type? That was like a one in donener.

my past relationships I need like a lot of swag I like them very tall tall dark and handsome is my type of physically yeah but then you have to come with all the other stuff give me like a famous person that like you see and you're just like so hot I think like an odel beckham or like Michael B Jordan's a little bit short if he were a little bit okay so you're not like a Glenn Powell type who's that you don't know what that is no okay Benny Blanco is also named, like, one of the sexes people alive. Okay. Okay.

Listen, after your ex, you can't really, like, talk, you know? I feel like I can talk. Like, I can shake because I'm like, I get it. You get it. Been there, honey. Fell in love for the personality. Yeah, that happens. Okay, so who would you rather out of this group?

Scott Dissick. I don't know why I always think of Scott Dissick for you, even though it's not. Okay. No? Not even a little bit. Really? Okay. No.

Scott Dissick. Leo DiCaprio, Zach Graf. Who would you out of the three? Oh, God. None of them. What about, like, an MGK for you? Even though he's like a baby daddy. MGK has a lot of swag.

Yeah, you would do an MGK. I feel like you need like vials of blood and like, I don't know, fucking like tattoos. I or like a like a Viking type man. Like just tall and ready to just, you know. Why did Brock come to mind when he said Viking? Brock's got Viking energy. Just the ponytail, maybe, not the, like, Cheetah Speedos, you know? No, the Cheetah Speedos, those are, yeah.

You also bought a house. I did. It's a moment. Yeah, I have two houses now. Excuse me. Give me credit for both. Exqueez me. I bought the one in Palm Springs.

Oh, right, right. The vacation home. And then I just bought a house for my family, like last year. Is it the valley? It's the valley, yeah. Okay, so you fit the criteria for the valley. You know what's wild? is a lot of those people don't even live in the valley.

You know, it's kind of like Beverly Hills. Like, most of those women don't live in Beverly Hills. Oh, oh. Yeah. Well, love a technicality. I mean, can I say that? Yeah. It's LA.

This you can't say? We're in, we're in, we're in, we're a hop, skip, and a jump over the hill. You're in BH. That's so fun to buy a house. It's very fun. I feel very proud. Do you do it on your own? Like, you picked it.

You, like, checked the thing. Yes. Yes. I did the whole thing. Wow. Just me, myself, and I. I felt very, very proud. Like it feels like just yesterday, you moved into that apartment when you left your house with him. Yep.

You moved into an apartment. How long were you living in that apartment? I was there for two years. And your mom was living with you. Yeah, my mom moved out to like, she thought she was coming for three days and ended up staying now going on three years or we're at three years. But yeah, no, I did the whole thing. And I love the valley. The valley is so underrated.

But it depends on who you have. Because my mom, once I purchased the home and we were doing the move out, she ran into this guy. He was like 90, right? And he's like, lived in L.A. his whole life. He's like, where are you moving? My mom was like, we got a house in Sherman Oaks. And he goes, ugh, the valley. And my mom tells me this.

And I was like, how old was this person? Yeah. She told me he was in his, like, 80s or 90s. And I'm like, well, that's why. The valley was like, ugh. Oh, okay. Now, that's where you go to, like, have your children. you're like really close to being in the city.

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What does feel good... Are you keen for it to happen? Are you like, I really want this to start up again? You know, I'm so in my, like, mommy bubble right now that maybe give me a few months and I would be able to tell you and be able to pinpoint, like, what I want in life? No. No.

No, I'm not worried. Like, if it comes back or not. No. I'm not worried if it comes back or not. I feel like if there's more story to tell, we'll come back. If there's not... We left on such a... strange note. And I think it's great, even though we are in a weird place, all of us,

some of us aren't talking. It is nice to see, like, James has his DJ career that's completely popping off. Ariane is continuing to kill it. I hear Katie's found love. Like, it seems like everybody is really thriving. Yeah. And as someone who kind of looks back over the past years, they're all such a huge part of, like, a life-changing moment. being on this show together, which is very up and down, and it changed all of our lives forever. Yeah. There's just something about that.

I hold it really close to my heart, even if we come back, even if we're not good, you know? It's sad. You and Katie is sad to me. Yeah. That you're not good right now. Or that something happened because you were legit friends. Like, you were close.

Yeah. No, it was, that was, she was like my everything. Yeah. What we saw on the show of why it kind of ended between you two, it just felt like a dumb way, the end. You know what I mean? You know, when something big happens, you're like, okay, it makes sense, you know? Totally. But this didn't, even in a, like, regular relationship, not an intimate one.

But, like, with this, I felt like, this is what they're going out. You know what I mean? Like, they could have stuck through this. Yeah. It was the strangest season that I've ever been a part of. it was all very sad. And Katie and I have two very different viewpoints on what happened and the demise of our friendship.

Yeah, right. She sees it one way. And I don't like that I was painted to be someone who pockets information and brings it out at a convenient time because that's not what happened. And we can go over this all the live long day. Doesn't matter. What's done is done. We may be able to rebuild it.

point or we may never see each other again. Who the fuck knows? Right? But I do want her to be happy in her life. Yeah. She deserves that. Like you don't feel like you're going to make any more effort to change that. Well, neither of us have reached out to each other since the reunion. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of like a you and Sheena, Katie Ariana vibe. Yeah. Like if you wanted to speak in like Vanderpump Bravo terms, yes. Yeah. And, And also, who would have thought you and Sheena? Like, would you have thought this five years ago? No, but let me tell you something about Sheena that I will forever ride hard for her.

After I split up with my ex and the holidays had come and gone and it was now depressing as fuck. I got to share my kid on Christmas day sitting in this tiny apartment and here comes round two of it, the year that I've been dreading. And she said to me, come to Palm Springs and we hadn't been good. I had gone off on, you know, her and her baby daddy. Right. At the time, now her husband.

And she said, come to Palm Springs, pick ocean up on Christmas day and then just drive down and spend the weekend with us. And she, like, opened her home and made Christmas feel like Christmas again where it wasn't something that I was dreading anymore. Welcome to my mother, my child. It was just like in that moment, that was the first time that my family had gotten together with her family in all these years that I've known her. And it was like, these are good, solid fucking people.

Take the show out of it. Like, these are my lifers. We have children together. The stakes are very high now for Sheena and I. Houses next to each other. Yeah. She just makes me feel good. There's something about Sheena and, you know, people can say whatever they want because they watch her on TV.

Yeah. The Sheena that I have the luxury of experiencing. Yeah. She's just happy and fun to be around. Yeah. There's a reason why she has five. 100 million best friends. It gives me anxiety because I'm like, oh, a new friend. I don't do well with this. Do you get jelly? I don't get jealous. No. Okay, good. So it's not, it's like,

sounds healthy. It's very healthy. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and sweet. And I like, I like, I like that at this yeah in my life. Yeah. I feel that. Guys, Lala's on a new show and it's not the valley yet. I like that yet part. Because you can't confirm. Well, I mean, here's the thing. People are like, you know, She's posting with these people. She wants to be on the Valley. These people have been my friends, not all of them, but a lot of them for many years before this show.

Who's the friend? Like Janet Coperna is like one of my dearest friends. Yeah, yeah. Janet has been in your crew. Like, yeah, I know this even. I remember going on Cheetah's podcast a hundred years ago. She was like her co-host. So she's been around you guys forever.

Michelle Lally. It was like I was introduced to her well before like Jackson and Brittany weren't on Vanderpump Rules. So you were just filming something with Schwartz. What was that? That's Amazon Live. My Fash channel. No, I'm dead.

Mama still got it. I'm dead. So he came on? He did. He's so stinking cute. You love him? I do. He is.

There is something irresistible about that guy. But you're on, are you smarter than a celebrity? Yeah. How did this op come up? You're pregnant? Yeah. I got a phone call. They were like, hey, do you want to do this?

And I immediately was like, oh, my God, I'm having PTSD because I was not great in school. And now people get to see. see that I was not great in school. Do you do any prep? Like, did you go over SAT books or something? I don't know. See, T-books. Girl, that's for college.

I did not go to college. Nor did I attempt to go. So you were like, if I look so dumb, whatever? Kind of, yeah. Whatever. I fucking made it. I'm on TV. Wait, and when you heard it was with Travis Kelsey, were you excited?

Yeah. Are you joking? Yeah. I love T. Swift. Well, okay. But Travis Kelsey, you know what I was thinking? If he wasn't with T. Swift, would you, like, try to vibe?

He would be, like, a really fun homie. Yeah. You know, like, he's got that... He got swag. Oh, he's got mad swag. Yeah. But he's so funny. Yeah.

You know, and I, I just, like, think that he would be, like, so much fun to just, like, shoot the shit with on the regular basis. Yeah. Did you get to vibe, though? I mean, I was freaking bump in, and I'm like... What? The bump gone your way. We all vibe.

We all vibe. Like, he's easy to vibe with. You know, we had such a great... class, a.k.a. like, the celebrities they had chosen. And he was, like, Travis was excellent. He was. I don't know if he's done any other, like, hosting gigs. Well, he did that dating show, like, but he didn't host that. It was, like, for him, right? But that was a TV thing. Yeah. I guess this is his first, no, he does phenomenal. Yeah, he was great. Great with a teleprompter, which is, like, so fucking hard. Did you get a lot of things? Like, were you good, were you good at it?

What do you think? I'm telling me I'm not I got some stuff yeah other stuff was like girl how did you not know this oh my god but I'm fine with it yeah it was like it was uh exposure therapy for me and when you saw taylor swift you talked about that was that so she was in the trailer yeah and there was just like mad security around and it was like oh my god I wonder who that's just for and then like the whispering starts and then it's confirmed like she's here to have lunch with him yeah and then I manifested it, I was like, I also want to be a billionaire. You know, we'll see if it happens.

Because you're next to her, you're like making a wish as if it's like a fallen eyelash. Yes. Can I tell you? I don't want to say that I wasn't a fan of hers because the Swift's will come. Because you'll die. Because you'll die. When I say I wasn't a fan, I just mean like I didn't follow everything that she did. Yeah. You were into her. Yeah. When Ocean came into the mix. Oh, Ocean loves the music. She loves T. Swift. And that's when I really had the like appreciation for T Swift because I'm like I'm trying to like dance my flat ass to wop by Cardi B right when you have a daughter is when you go thank God when you go shake it off when you go shake it off yes for Taylor Swift so you ship them Travis and I want them to get

married have babies and like right off into the sun set together talk about him not wanting to hug you in the picture did people just notice that no I I was asked like behind the scenes on someone asked on my podcast. And I said that he did like the classic Hollywood gentleman hovering. Oh. Oh. Like he puts his arms around you, but he doesn't, there's no physical touch. Yeah. And you're like, get in there. You know, I actually, when you, when you, when you. No. Can I tell you? This is how you know that you're in a healthy, happy relationship. Okay. Because it's no joke out there. When you get the classic cover from a man, you're like, there are gentlemen in the world still, and you maintain hope.

What? Who's putting their hand on your ass, people? I mean, it didn't even have to be the ass. He could go like this. He could have done a lot of things that would have been, that would have been no fucking big deal. Right. But he's Travis Kelsey, who's with Taylor Swift. He knows. He knows the deal.

He knows the drill. Yeah, it's a messy thing, by the way. It's a messy thing. You know what? We could go with that. I'm going to take it as you were respectful. I'm pregnant. You don't know who I am.

I couldn't have a man who's crazy, right? I don't, but he doesn't know that. Like, here's this girl. You got to have sex to get pregnant. You don't want any rumors, you know? Right. I'm sure he was, let's just say he was being respectful of the man that I don't even have. That's so nice of him.

It was very nice. How many days did you shoot this? I think I was in and out in, like, two. Oh. There were long days of shooting. But that's fun. And your glam looked so good I wanted to tell you. Thank you.

You know, I do my own face because I can. can't handle a lot of makeup. I love when it's, oh, I feel like you used to apply more makeup. So I wanted, I made a mental note to be like, tell her you like this makeup because even it was, even though it was probably like TV makeup. No. You did it? Yeah, it was just like, how is it right now? It's killer. No, it's also too. Chill. Okay. So it's like me, me. Yeah, mom brain. What can you do? I don't like the fake lashes anymore. You used to be more. More beef. No, I'm over it. Good. Who has the fucking. time. I'm into it.

Thanks, babe. We're going to have to talk about the rumors a little bit. Of your assistant podcast host. Okay. People are freaking out about it for some reason. It's so wild because it's like, where were you when she was on the pod? Yeah. Now where to be found. All I heard about was get her off. And now it's like, you know what? People, like, at the end of the day, she was my employee.

Yeah. People, yeah. She wanted to go and move on with her life. And I would be, like, a crazy person to not say, go and achieve everything you want to achieve. Yeah. And people are, like, wanting an explanation. I'm like, I don't know how to break this down. That's the explanation. When anybody, let's just say my mama was like, I no longer want to be helping you.

Like, I really need to go and experience life as a, you know, 64-year-old and see what's out there. By all means, go, be free, fly. So are you saying it was her choice to leave? Yes. Okay. Because people love to, you know, blame you for shit for some reason. I'm so used to it and so unfazed by all of it. Would you want her to come out and say, like, guys, I left.

I'm moving on. No. At the end of the day, she was employed by Lala Kent. You're no longer employed. I wish you the best. Yeah. Have a great life. Do you regret making her that close as an employee?

I've learned a lot in many relationships in my life from my ex-fiancee, To certain friends that I've had, to employees that I've had, every single thing that I've experienced in the past two to three years, I have learned something. Yeah. I don't regret anything. Yeah. But I know how to make things different. Yeah. So are you seeking help?

Should people send their resumes? By all means. By all means. But let me tell you something. Don't expect to get on the pod. Well, you're not applying for a pod position. A big dream better be, I only want to be the best assistant to Lala camp in the world. Like no dreams, no aspirations.

You don't want to build shit. For now. Like be young and, you know, have this be your first thing. Oh, you want them forever. Don't say that. I don't say that. I don't like change. I know.

It's hard. It's hard because people, right. Well, I've had so much change in my life in such a short period of time. And I know it doesn't seem like a short period of time. But when you're thinking about your entire. your life being kind of like locked down and you have the plan and then shit goes crazy and wild. Yeah. It takes a little bit of time to kind of grasp what your new reality is. And I'm over what has happened obviously with my ex. But to say that it didn't shape me into a different

person, I would be lying. I have a different outlook on life. Not because I'm scarred. I just have experienced things. That's what that's why people are the way they are, right? Because of their experiences in life. Yeah. So I live and I learn and sometimes it may be my fault. Sometimes it could be both of us. I really don't give a shit. Let's just move on.

Move on, honey. And we got to move on. Okay. I love you. Thank you for coming. Thank you. I wasn't telling you. Watch her.

No, goodbye Amanda. Watch Lala and are you smarter than a celebrity. It's on Amazon Prime. I can guarantee you that you are. You are. You are. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.

Okay, so we're checking back in with Lala because news has broke and she might have lied to me. No, I'm kidding. You really didn't know then, right? When you were in studio, did you know or did you not know? I still just had a feeling and I just like kind of, I just had the feeling that a call was, it wasn't confirmed. But I told you that I felt like it was done. And like you and I are homies and I told you I don't, I just don't see it coming back. I'm so sad.

it is sad right like the more i try not to think on it too much because then i start going into like all of the memories and it just being over and then i start going into this stage of grief and i mean i know that this story's done but i'm really funny with time and people know that ever since my dad passed away like time really messes with me and the fact that that time of our life is over. It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, a montage is just going through my head of like the day you arrived and being a hostess

and then how everything evolved and where you are now. And I just really, first of all, you know, I think it's the best show of all time. I think it's the best show on Bravo. I think the drama, the Vanderpump, has supplied to our lives is just insane. And you'll remember the stories

in five years, 10 years, and be like, whoa. And like, why are we pretending that everyone's fine with it. I mean, why does the whole cast have to, like, everyone's acting too fine about it. Katie said she had quit. Did you hear that? Katie said that she

had quit before the news. Right. And, I mean, Ariana seems to be happy about it. And I just think, like, it's, it's sad. It's sad for the fans. Like, we love you guys so much and we love the show. So you're saying

you have a thing with time, but like was anything else keeping you there? Were you kind of ready to move on? Would you have been happy to keep going? Like, where are you out with that? I'm the one who always every time a season wraps up. I'm like, I'm never coming back. I'm moving on.

And then I get the call, you know, time passes. And it's like, hey, we're ready to pick cameras back up. And I'm like, oh my God, I can't wait. But I don't want to say that I'm fine with it because I'm not. It was like the greatest time of my whole life. But at some point, like, you have to look at the bigger picture and say, you know, is this show, are we even able to film it any longer? And I just don't think we were able to film it any longer. So anyone who's acting

okay with it, I just, I feel like it's a slap in the face. You know, like there are moments where I look around and I'm like, do we realize we have all these opportunities that are fabulous because of Vanderpump rules. Like, without this show, no one gives a fuck about any of us. And I just tried to always remember that. Like, I always tried to remember what got me to this place.

Because before Vanderpump, I was just a bitch trying to beat the streets, a squirrel trying to get a nut. And, like, this show changed my whole life. And that's so cool of you to say that. And that's why you know I ride for you, because it's an important thing for anyone, not even reality stars,

but actors to know where they came from, what was their first gig, what put them on the mat, you know what I mean? Like that's why when there's like a Nepo baby, we love to hear from the Nepo baby to say like, yeah, I got an opportunity because of my mom,

but I'm great anyway, you know? Like that's what I love about you that you're able to say that. And I feel like a lot of people in the cast are like, we moved on and like, you know, we have all these followers and these opportunities, but you're right.

Like people got to know you and fell in love with you on the show. Right. On the show. Yeah. And there are many people who we've seen on Bravo who come on to shows and they don't last. So I'm not saying that, you know, we owe our entire beings to this show. Right.

But, you know, Vanderpump Rules was like the door that opened and then we took over the whole house. And I'm extremely proud of all of us that we took opportunity by the balls and did this. But to say that, like, I'm, it's sad because it's so. iconic it's a it's a pop culture phenomenon like who can say that they were a part of something like that for real people is there anything scary about it being over like the security the job security quote-unquote the you know all those things you know i am grateful for my mom because at the beginning of all of this like when i first got on the show you know she was very into like teaching me about how to save money and do all of those things. And so I have a really phenomenal

business manager where we never factored in that paycheck because you never know. They could say, like, you were great last season, but like we've decided to go another direction. And you can't count on it. So as far as that goes, I'm not concerned about that part. But for me, it's just like reality TV is like my heartbeat, right? Like, I get off on it. I'm obsessed. Yeah. I watch Housewives.

You're good at it. You're good at it. Well, I appreciate that. I also enjoy being a part of it. I enjoy watching it. It's like such a huge part of my life, reality television. So that part is sad. Because it's like the only time I get up and get ready too.

Otherwise, I'm like this all the time. I'm like, oh, a camera. We have to film a show. Like, let me put my heels on and clip my hair in. I'm ready to go. So what would you be down? Like, what's your vision board to do? What would be the end-all be-all of reality television for you?

I mean, I think a Kyle Richards type moment where she's been on reality TV for so long and has other things happening. She's produced her own shows. She's got her hands and so many other things. And it's not that she needs the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. But she goes, she does it, she makes fabulous TV, and I just feel like that would be something that I would want. Like, I don't.

She has a lesbian moment. Maybe that's in the cards for you. You've been there, done that. Quite a few times. But I look up to her and I just, I'm not ready to be done with reality TV. However, at this stage in my life, I am enjoying the break. kind of falling into the background and just, like, enjoying my kids. Yeah.

Well, I can't wait to see what's next through because I know you're going to be on our screens and I can't wait to see in what way. I know you're going to be popping up on the valley. Which I'm already freaking out about, by the way. Why? Because I, every time I go into this zone of, like, motherhood, you know, what happened when I first gave birth to ocean. Now I just had Sosa where I feel over.

exposed. Like even right now when I post on Instagram, it's like a solid 10 minutes before I push like to post because I'm like, oh my gosh, the moment I post, I'm reminding people that I'm breathing still and some people may not like that. But you, I mean, you, you're, you seem so tough with that. And I'm sure it's hard because there are going to be people that are going to be excited to see some Vanderpump people on the Valley, some people that are going to be like annoying about it. But I'm so happy to see you on the Valley. when it comes out. And again, I'm so happy to see what you do next. And I am sad for Vanderpump Rules ending. Are you going to watch the new one? Do you care to watch the new one? I think I will

watch the new one. I talked about this on Sheena's podcast and I'm just excited for this new group who's like young and hungry. And they haven't experienced enough life to be like wounded yet, you know? So I'm excited to see them just kind of like fuck shit up. Yeah. And and I think it's exciting to see what they're going to do with the opportunity. Like I said, Vanderpump changed my life. You know, it would be cool. What if the OGs did an after show

for the new Vanderpump? Oh, I'm pitching it immediately to Baskin right after we hang up and I'm not sure. Stop. Is that a... Okay, then I'm the first guest because it was my idea. It is. You've given me many good ideas and I haven't forgotten. I'm not stealing them. I'm just

putting them out there and you're coming along. Cool? No, I really think that's a good idea because then we could still hear from you and we could like kind of be bitchier than normal because like who cares it's over. Oh my God. I love you. I love you for I love you for coming back for a second to catch up on this. I'll talk to you soon. Bye my love. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at not skinny but not fat. Subscribe to the podcast. We don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast. and write a little review.

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