Not Skinny But Not Fat - Lilly Singh on Having a Talk Show, Hanging with Muppets, and Staying Off Social Media

Episode Date: June 6, 2023

Lilly Singh, a hugely followed YouTuber, actress, entrepreneur and author talks about her new Disney + show Muppets of Mayhem, her family’s support, her short lived talk show (and whether she would do it again), and private dating life! Produced by Dear Media This episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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about reality TV, celebrities, everything happening and pop culture. I also talk to some of our favorite celebs and reality TV stars. We talk about. what's going on. Tune in every Tuesday and just feel like you're talking a shit with your best friends in your living room. I'm so excited that Lily Singh is here today on my pod. Lily Singh is so excited to be here on your pod. I'm so excited that you're so excited because I wasn't sure you were going to be excited. Well, that makes me more excited.

If you're excited that I'm excited that you're excited. Let's just break down what day we're in because God knows when this is going to come out. I mean, we've both known with that way. It was the Met Gala yesterday. And I just told Lily that I was so, you know, when you have a hunch, you're like, I know it's going to be there. I thought you were going to be there. Really? Yeah.

Well, thank you for thinking I'm fabulous, that fabulous. I appreciate that. How fabulous are you that, like, reading about you is a fucking. Oh, you probably had to prep and read about me. I'm sorry. No. There's like a lot of. There is a lot.

You are doing so much. And then I found out that you're exactly my age and I feel really terrible about myself. Why? Because you were both 34. Okay. First of all, your skin is way better than mine. No, it really isn't. Your skin is glowing right now.

Yours is too. Okay. Get ready for this podcast. Get ready. Get ready. I was bummed you weren't a Gemini. I'm not an astrology person. Okay.

Never mind. We're not alike. If you're going that route, we're not alike. Okay. I was going to say in a good way. I'm not an astrology person. Okay. Neither are you.

If you talk about your being in retrologger, retrograde. I'm going to have to get up and leave. I don't know what that means. I do like to use an excuse. Okay. You know, I respect that though. I respect that because I do the same. Okay. But I was like, oh my gosh, she's 34, 88. Okay. And I was like, if you're a Gemini, that's like, whoa. And then you weren't. Yeah. So now I'm, what are you in Aries? I'm a Libra. Yeah. What does that mean? You tell me. I don't know. You never looked at it. Great chat.

We're supposed to be balanced. Apparently, it's a whole scale balance. I'm the least balanced person. I literally have been writing a script for the last five. days every waking moment. There's been no balance. So I have balance in seasons, but I think Libres are supposed to be balanced, but that is false. So did that make you not believe in astrology the fact that yours feels off? I don't even know. I think I don't believe. It's not that I don't believe in astrology. It's just that I have too many things in my brain already. Yeah. I can't be the person that goes, how old are you? And then knows what your sign is. It doesn't excite you that we're the same age? I'm so excited. We're the same. Okay, good. Me too.

Okay. First of all, you're a comedian. You're a YouTuber. You're an activist. You're an actress. You're a host. I mean, you have your own production company. You're your best friend. So many things. So many things. You do so much. And again, that goes back to the age where I, like, felt bad about myself. But you do so fucking much. I want to start from the beginning. First of all, we're talking about the Met. You said you were there in 2018. What was that like? Camp. It was, listen, huge honor to be invited to the Met. What is the invite like? It's actually framed it on my wall. On the wall in my office. Yeah. The invite is like this beautiful. I mean, they spend money. on the cardstock. We're talking like nice card stock here. We're not talking about it. It's like a nice. Wow. So it's not like your agent tells you.

It's like an invite. No, no, no. You get something in the mail, physically in the mail. And it's like a little brooch packet that says from the hosts. And it's like a whole like little booklet situation. It's cute. Wow. So you've been around.

Like you're not. I'm a ho. Yeah. Yeah. You've been around town. No. Like. Use that sound like.

You're not. You're not. That's how she thinks you guys. She's like, what cameras are here. No, not in a bad way. and I'm in a good way. But you know you're fucking shit. What I mean is you've been around,

you probably see like TikTok. People come about every day that are like followers up the wazoo. Totally. You're since what? 2010. So 100 years ago. A hundred years ago.

When you started on YouTube, like who was doing YouTube at that time? So there were people doing YouTube at the time that inspired me a lot. There was Grace Helbig. There was Mimi Hart. There was Hannah Hart. There was Jenna Marbles,

Ryan Higa. There was a bunch of people. In my community, there was also like some dope South Asians. it was just rain. So those people were OGs for me. I think the time I started was very interesting because in 2010 when I started,

you couldn't automatically monetize everything. So it wasn't common sense like it is now that you could make money off YouTube. You know, I vividly remember I had to like submit my videos to get monetized and like some would be accepted and some wouldn't be accepted. So times were really super different in 2010 when I started. Wait, you were 2010 is when I graduated.

When we graduated. Well, oh, you graduated to. Oh, right. You want you did do college. Just not the, not get your master's like your parents wanted. I have a degree in psychology, the university degree. I do not have a master's correct. Gotcha.

Yeah. Do you have college in Canada? I went to university in Canada. University. You know, my dream was to go to McGill. Oh, that's random. I know. That's so random.

That's why I told you it. McGill is like a part, kind of a party school. Really? No, I want to, I don't know. It was like my, you know when something doesn't make sense, but it's just like it. I didn't get accepted. My whole life. Yeah.

You know what something doesn't make sense? I'm like, mm-hmm. So I just, I was like, Miguel. You know, the way people like... That is so random. No one has ever told me that their dream was to go to McGill. But I mean, shout like, Regal. I'm random.

I'm random and I weirdly like Canadians too. I'm like Canadian. Canadians are amazing. That's not weird. That's just, that's... Yeah, Canadians are amazing. And they're always so nice. And I just feel...

Whenever it's like a Canadian brand that I work with, I'm like, and they're Canadian. As if like, that should. Because when I first moved to L.A., actually, people made fun of me for being Canadian a lot. I would be like the, you know, the butt of the joke. And then very quickly that changed to people lining up to marry me to get Canadians and...

But you don't, do you, how do you say about? Lord, help me. I say about. You said, it's pretty regular. Yes. Yes. It's not the Canadian way. So I don't know a single Canadian that says a boot.

It probably exists somewhere in some province. Yeah. But like, it's very, I will say every once in a while on set, someone does stop being go, we need to do a pickup and I'll say why in the like, you said sorry, like a Canadian. So I might say. How do Canadians say sorry? I think, I'm saying sorry, but I think. every once in a while, I might live up to the stereotype and I might be saying, sorry.

I mean, is that a bad stereotype to be, like, kind and apologize all the time? Sue me. My God. I kind of like it. Thanks. Apologize me. In New York, it's like, excuse you. You know?

Totally. Do you like New York? You seem like an honest person. I mean, I freaking hate New York so much. And it's because New York hates me. New York has made abundantly clear that she hates me. Why? Why?

What happens when you're- From the moment I land in New York, New York starts New Yorking. From the moment I land here, the car pickups going to go wrong. The Uber driver is going to yell at me. The traffic's going to be insane. Someone's going to say something racist to me. Just today, my publicist was like, a car was picking me up and there's a giant puddle in the middle of the car. She's like, literally I've never experienced this in New York.

I'm like, it's because I'm here. It's because I am here. I brought it. You know what I bring to L.A. The rain. Oh, so you've been there recently? Well, no. Well, I know recently I wasn't there for the last thing.

I didn't bring it. But whenever I'm in L.A. It rains. and everyone's like, it never rains. I was like, that's so funny. Because... You just think about global warming. I think everyone keeps saying it never does anything.

But we need to look back and be like, oh, actually, maybe this has been happening for the past two years. Maybe it has been right. Are you kidding me? It's like summer here right now. So New York, she doesn't... I don't think she likes me.

She's not... There's always mishapsed. I feel like you're living a lie because you give New York. Okay. Wait. You're vomiting at New York? Wait.

What if I give... Wait. Do you want to give L.A.? No. I'll tell you. I give Toronto. Okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay.

Here's the thing. New York, let me tell you something. The other day, not the other day. Last time I was here for a meeting, this is what happened. I'm going to walk you through a step by step. I finished a lunch. I walked outside onto the sidewalk to wait for my Uber. Minding my own business.

Someone walks past me and goes, get out of my way. I'm already late. And like literally shoves me onto the street. Wow. Just a normal, and no one bad at an eye at her. Everyone was like, yeah, as you should. I was like, I was abused. No one here.

And that doesn't happen in Toronto. Or in L.A. People are nice. I think so. Yeah. They damage you in different ways. New York is just very overt. They're like, this is exactly how I'm going to abuse you just like this.

L.A. is more like, we're going to make you so insecure. We're going to have a meeting, all of us. We're going to have a meeting right now. We're going to discuss how to exclude you. You won't know. You won't feel it. But in a while, you're going to realize that you're going to be excluded and you're going to have some deep-rooted trauma.

That's a different angle. You know, so it's just. So what was moving from Canada to L.A.? Like, when did you move? Okay. So right up, my biggest, I moved in 2015. And my biggest problem when I moved was I didn't have any American identification because I had my passport.

So anytime I would go to the grocery store to buy liquor, they wouldn't take any of my Canadian licenses. I was like, this is your guy's biggest problem, that you don't want to give me a bottle of wine at the grocery store. So I just felt like I was, I was, as if I moved from across the world, honestly, in terms of identification, in terms of like all the paperwork in the galleries. Did you feel like in your mind like it wasn't a big deal? In my mind, it felt like it wasn't a big deal.

but I had a rude awakening. When I landed in L.A., I didn't really know anyone. I was by myself, all my families in Toronto. It was super scary. And it was a bit of a culture shock. Toronto was very diverse. Yeah. And L.A. is, like, trying to be diverse.

It's like, getting there a little bit, but it's like... Did you know, did you already have, like, representation, shit like that? I did, but I didn't have many, like, friends. I had a hand to friends. Yeah, that's been a struggle ever since I moved here. Now I can genuinely say I have some friends. Yeah. My adult life living in L.A.

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because like in my mind I'll never go but maybe I'll ever gone no see that was me I was like there's just no this does not seem appealing to me. And again, this is another New York situation where it's my unpopular opinion. Yeah. I prefer a concert.

You know, but Coachella's like a lot of people and it's like a lot in his drive. But my friend, Golgeto Sanj was like, making history is like one of the first Punjabi artists to ever perform. And I was like,

I have to make the trek and I have to support. And I maintain that his show was amazing because Punjabi people are lit and they were like dancing and going back. But every other show I went to, I felt like the audience is like kind of like, very mellow and like a little cool to dance. I was like one the only one's dancing and someone I was like did you go for one day or for all the day I literally went for five hours okay I feel like if anything that's the way to do it 100% it was a lot of driving but I stand by I stand by my decision yeah no that was cool it was super cool experience so the artist is your friend yeah that's cool I think I like I like Punjabi music you ever yes you like I would like music's amazing yes you're killing it I am I feel like I got it yeah that's that's the hardest part so you know that for sure no I'm

Honestly, when you posted that, I was like, okay, this looks fun. It's exactly what you're saying because, like, my reference pick to you saying the people don't dance is I posted, you know, how Kendall Jenner and Bad Bunny are dating. Yeah. So there was, like, video of her dancing to his music. And I was, like, dancing. Like, it was like, it was like, head is swaying. I'm a dancer.

If I'm going, I want to dance. Oh, she's also a dancer. Add it to the list. And musician. I can wrap a little here and there. You're annoying. No, I'm just kidding. And you have a sister, right?

And she also does YouTube. Yes. So actually, it's a funny thing. So my sister, I used to follow her for most of my life. She has a psychology degree. I got a psychology degree at the same university. And then once I started making YouTube videos pretty late into my career, she then started making YouTube videos.

So we've had this really cool relationship where she's inspired me. I've inspired her and we kind of go back and forth like that. So you don't have like sister like jealousy? No, I want my sister to win at everything she does. That's so cute of you. I started a new business as well. And I'm, here's my thing. What's the age difference?

Six years. She's older. She's older. Here's the thing. I really believe in helping people achieve their dreams and tap into their superpowers because I believe it makes the world a better place. I think if we all tapped into our superpower and did what we were meant to do on this planet, we'd all benefit from it.

So if someone comes up to me and goes, I have a dream and I have an idea, like, give me guidance. I'm so willing to give people advice and guidance if I have it to offer because like we're all going to benefit. from that happy people you know like i saw someone say once like her win is not your loss totally i fully believe that but like that's it's hard people don't always remember that and the jealousy are you so instilled with that belief that you don't get competitive with like other YouTubers and i used to i used to and without going into too much detail you know i'm also a really big believer of gender equity and women's empowerment so like i always have to catch myself when i'm doing that thing where i'm like oh no that woman has that i yeah yeah because like we naturally are taught to

be that way. Yeah. And I've always tried to catch myself to the point where there has been a few people that like, regardless of me and her, our teams and the community would always put us against each other. And like, in the last year, I literally was sat at someone's house. And I was like, we're going to have a heart to heart. And I took her into the corner of a thing.

We had a heart to heart. We were like, both are crying and crap. And we just like. Oh, and before you both felt like competitive. There was ever any tension, but there was always just like everyone feeding stuff into us as to why we should compete. And I was like, I'm not subscribing. anymore. I want every other words. Dying to know who it is. Well, like, really

know you later. The TED Talk, by the way, which I watched and was so great. It was a year ago. Yeah. How did you get that opportunity? Well, Ted approached me. Yeah, there's a TED like, there's a Ted like, is a man. No, not a TED. There's not a man named Ted. There is a committee of people. Okay. You literally said, okay, okay, okay. I'm a blonde. That's a sketch right there. That is a sketch right there. Yeah. Yeah. No. So TED committee approached me, asked me, and here's the thing. Every once in a while an opportunity comes your way where you're like, the easy thing to do here is to be like, absolutely not.

I'm not doing this thing. Because it's work. Because it's so stressful. Yeah. And every part of my body was like, say no. Say no. This is so stressed. Did they tell you what they wanted to be about?

So you kind of workshop it with them. You tell them some interest areas and then they workshop it with you. Every part of my body is like, say no. Say no. Say no. Say no. You're throwing up in your mouth already. Say no. But I was like, because of that, I have to do it. I have to say.

It was the most uncomfortable thing in terms of, like, stepping out of my comfort zone. People don't know this, but TED Talks are completely memorized. There is no prompter. It is completely you. It is the most nerve-wrecking thing ever to the point where, like, there is a little community of TED speakers that, like, will be your support during this. I messaged my friend who did TED Talk, Justin Baldoni, and I was like, walk me through this. He says, like, what time are you doing it? I'm scheduling it my calendar to pray for you.

He was like a whole thing. It's just so stressful. It was like what? It was 19 minutes. My TED Talk was like 19 minutes of memorization. stats, facts, all the things. And clickers? Of course, because I was the idiot that was like, they fully asked.

This is my problem. They asked me this a month before. Do you want us to handle the click? I'm like, no, I'm going to click. I'm going to click. I'm going to memorize. And then I also was like, I want problems. No, but I think that's a good thing you did it because imagine like you don't want

that because then they have to click and then you're thinking if they're clicking. You already knew when the click was going to come. Let me tell you some behind the scenes tea that I don't think I've ever said in any podcast or interview. So you don't see people's mess ups because editor. but I did mess up. I completely forgot one slide, moved on, and this is exactly how I handled it. I looked at the screen,

so I missed it. I went, oops, forgot that slide. I'm going to rewind. That's literally what I did. That is literally what I did. I literally did that. And then I moonwalked. I was like,

that is the choice I made on the TED Talk stage. Wait, so they don't keep it in? Why didn't they keep it in? Because that was just for the audience there, but. Did they laugh? Everyone laughed. Was it a good audience? Totally.

The audience is super. supportive because they know how stressful it is. Yeah. So they really tried to be supportive. How big is the audience? I think the audience was like, here's the truth. I don't remember. So I don't remember. I feel like 500 people. I feel like that's a lot. I feel like he was like, I don't know. I don't remember, but it was 2,000 people. I don't remember. So you decide you end up doing about gender. Yes. That chip on my shoulder is definitely gender. Yeah. And I mean, it was a really, really powerful talk. And what we just talked about, which was not even about your TED talk, was kind of your TED talk. That is, I'm living it. I love that. It's not just something I say. Like, I'm really trying to,

it starts at home with like women empowerment. And I know it's so instilled in us to hate and so I really try to reflect and meditate on that. And you literally started from birth. You were like, I was born, because you were born in India. No, I was born in Toronto. Oh, you were born in Toronto. Oh, you were born in Toronto. Yeah. So the story is that my, my great grandparents in India really were disappointed that my mom had a second daughter in me. And so, they're like, it's not worth calling home about because, you know, in Indian culture and many other cultures around the world, a son is like the prize thing. So because I was the second daughter, I was a very big disappointment when I was born. And so I kind of felt that energy

throughout my upbringing in small, small ways. Like, I used to whistle a lot growing up. Girls aren't supposed to whistle. Girls aren't supposed to do this. This is what a girl's supposed to do and my whole life has just kind of been like pushing up against that and pushing the boundaries of what that means. And also you talk a lot about your, the late night show that you got. What was it called? Late. A little late. A little, a lot late. A little, a lot late. A little, a lot late.

A little, a lot. Change of title. Yeah. A little a lotly. So you're 34 years old right now. You already had two seasons. Yep. Of a talk show.

Of a late night fucking talk show. Two seasons of a talk show and then the following two years of therapy. To do with the two years of the late show, correct? Okay. How did that come about the talk show? So I got approached about it as well. And I don't know if I've, you're getting a lot of exclusives here. baby. Here we go. We make each other comfortable. I feel that. Now I've got to get some

exclusive out of you. So they approached me and asked me to do it. And I'm going to be honest, I did not really grow up with late night television. A lot of people asked me like, oh my God, did you grow up watching it? And it was your dream? I didn't watch it. Simply because my parents didn't watch it in the house because they couldn't relate to it. Like my parents never watched late night because they were like, it's not our vibe. We never, we don't understand anything that's going on. Right. Like the jokes and said. It's also super, super super white. Yeah. So when I got approached about it, I was like, this is not really my dream. I actually said no. I said no to the opportunity. And it kept

staying in my mind. I was like, was that the right choice? And I was very on the fence. And then it came back to me again a couple weeks later. And I was like, okay, wait, the universe is trying to tell me something here. Like this is for it to come back around again. And I did some research. I talked to some people. And I was like, oh, this could be a really historic thing that happens. And I would love to push, like I said, push those limits of what's possible. So I said, yes. I got thrust into this world that is no amount of of words I can tell you will explain how chaotic. Did it film here in New York? It filmed in L.A. Okay. I was like, is that why you hate New York? No, it's not. Okay. So we filmed in L.A.

And listen, I can say it, do I regret it? Absolutely not. I learned so much. I believe I can do, I truly believe I can do any schedule and anything now after that show because that schedule was ruthless. What was it like 96 shows and? Three months. Yeah. So it was like two, three shows a day. I was also writing on it. And what you said in your talk, like it didn't make sense because you were like, Late night shows are usually timely And you had to record so many So because our budget was so small We had to bank shoot

All 96 episodes in three months But you know other talk shows Late night shows They're shooting live or the day of So it's timely right So my show was the only show That's like had a live audience I'm talking about making out with people

And on vacation and there's a literal pandemic happening While that airs So like People kept tweeting me being like Why do you have a live audience? I'm like we pre-taped it months ago Yeah So all those episodes

became kind of like irrelevant to the times. Oh. Do you feel like that had an effect on like the success of the show? I think there's a lot of things that had an effect on the success of the show, to be honest. Like I said, I don't regret it. I learned a lot and it did really help my career. But I also learned a very valuable lesson from that experience, which was it is so the importance of fun really gets underestimated in our industry sometimes.

But I learned from that show. I will never do another project if I can't be like, yo, all that work. was a lot of fun. Like, I cannot sacrifice that. I have worked hard enough where I don't have to sacrifice that anymore. Yeah. And I feel comfortable saying that. You feel like you sacrifice that there? I feel like in my past, I've sacrificed on a lot of projects where I'm like, this is really good for my career and it's really good for all these reasons. But it makes me miserable, but that makes it worth it because of all these other reasons. Yeah. I just think I'm at a point now in my life where I believe projects exist that can accomplish both.

Yeah. Like, if I'm going to work 14, 15 hours on set, that's a lot. Yeah. At least I should be able to go home and be like, that was awesome. Right. You know, or else why even are we doing it? So were you a little relieved when it was? I was a little relief. Yeah. Yeah. Of course it was, you know, a bittersweet thing, but I think I was definitely relieved and now everything I'm working on is just, I have so much fun doing it. If it came back around, like, let's revisit. We'll call it a little. No, I don't think I would do it. Really? No. Would you do daytime? Like a la Kelly Clark's in. Honestly, you know what it is? Let me be honest with you. I would just know the right questions to ask this time. You know, I, like I said,

For me doing late night, it was the first time I'm being thrust into this industry. I know nothing about, I would ask a whole different gang of questions to determine my answer. I would need to know what resources they were. I would need to make sure that they are resources that make sense. Because forget me. Like, let's take me out of the equation. When you have a show like that that it doesn't have the budge and doesn't have anything, it's also the crew. It's the writers.

Is everyone else involved that it's really tough on them? Yeah. Like my writer's room was half the size of any other late night show. But they got to write almost the same amount of. material. It's like how is that fun and fair to them for them to show their best work also? Like no one. I feel like it doesn't set anybody up for, it doesn't

set anybody up for success. I don't know that it's fair. Like you have to have like morale and what you're doing. Totally. You have to believe in what you're doing. Yeah, and have like the motivation. You talk a lot or a fair amount about like your mental health stuff. Like depression and the spider thing.

I've never had someone say depression and the spider thing. But yes, they're on par for me. Right. So, If there was a spider here. Is there a spider here? No. Okay. It would freak you out.

I would not enjoy that. No. I would not enjoy that. How did the spider thing even come up? Okay, so here's the thing. I think it might have come from the fact that when I was really young, I went to my cousins house and I was trying to hang with the older cousins and they're like, all right, sick. We're watching it, the movie it. And I was like, I can hang.

And so I'm scared of spiders and like also kind of scared of clowns. Okay. It is something. It is something. And I think I was like four or something. Hello parents. where were you? Okay?

And I think I watched that movie. And I don't know what it is. It's to the point where, and please don't test this, I don't even want to hear the names of spiders, nor do I want to see pictures or anything. Because what happens is I actually, like, we'll wake up in the middle of the night seeing it. Oh, wow. Like, it's like, like, messes with my mind and I'm not trying to, like, do all that. Yeah.

Yeah. Maybe I have it, too. Yeah. Do you get diagnosed officially? No, I do it. No, but I just like, like, if there's a spider over there in the room, I could probably, like, be like, I just don't want to see it. Oh, okay.

But like people that try to like... Okay, yeah, I just, yeah, I just don't want to, like, sometimes people try to prank me and stuff and I actually genuine. That was actually the one rule on my late night show. I was like, I am down with anything you guys do, any prank. Really? Do not mess with spiders and bugs with me. Do not.

And they still did it and I genuinely got mad. Oh, they still did it? Yeah, I still did it. And I got mad at that episode. Oh, my God, but that's like the one thing, well, I guess you would trust them. But I guess if you go on like a reality show, whatever you tell them, they'll end up doing. If you're growing the bachelor and you're like the one thing I don't want to do, they'll do it. But these are my writers.

You're the people I employ who should know better. Yeah. And what about talking about your mental health? Like, why do you feel like that's important? I mean, I think it's important. I like to normalize things that feel awkward. Not only for other people for myself. You know, there's so many things in my life I've had a hard time talking about and I've just learned the more you just test, like hone in on that skill a little bit, the easier it gets.

So it's a form of self-medicating also. But also in the South Asian community and a lot of other cultures, there's just so. so much taboo around it. So much. And it's such an issue in a lot of communities, right? And I just feel like I want to be the person that could encourage someone to talk about it. Yeah. And do you feel like you're doing that? I think so. Yeah. I definitely think so. I've had a lot of people come up to me and tell me that, you know, I only, I only started going to therapy because you talk about it a lot or like my parents actually like don't understand, but I'm seeing your videos. They're kind of understanding. I want to know about your parents and like how they took this whole

thing from the beginning. Like when you started doing the YouTube. So, oh my God. The You know what? I was going to say, I was going to say, are you sure you 34 and not 78? When you started the YouTube. When you started the YouTube. So my parents, I can never say they were ever unsupportive. They were confused when I first started because they were like, what do you mean you're making YouTube videos? Fair. In 2010, like, come on. My mom is like my best friend. I love her to death.

Our relationship is so great. My dad and I are also close, but my dad and I are also strangely competitive with each other. it's like a but it's sweet because we're competitive but everyone's role will do things to support each other but we won't like for example my dad supports me but does that come in the form of him looking at me and saying good job I'm proud of you no no this is how my dad chose to support

and this is true till this day so my dad runs the territory of gas stations in Toronto he has but like 10 different gas stations and for years up until I'm pretty sure this day his employees are instructed to go into the back office and play my videos my YouTube videos on the computers

and leave them running in the background all day long. So he would just leave my videos running to rack up my views because he believes that, like, no, that's me supporting. Even when I go home to visit my parents, his laptop is always open. No, no. And I'll turn on the brightness and it's my videos playing. No.

He just has it on a setting that's like... That is the cutest-looking thing ever. So it's so pretty cute. But that's his way of being like, I'm proud and I want to support you. But he doesn't say it. But he doesn't quite have the... I mean, he'll say this to me.

Good. Wait, is good like when you got your late night show or good is when you get like I don't know if I got a good for the late night show, to be honest. I think I got a good for like. But you get it from your mom. You get the hype. My mom, my mom is supportive. But here's the thing.

I'm actually kind of grateful that my parents are supportive in the way they are because they're proud, but they're not overly like, oh my God, you're the greatest thing that's ever happened because they keep me really grounded. Right. And also you're not as afraid to disappoint them or are you? No, I'm totally terrified. But it keeps me grounded. Don't be crazy.

It keeps me grounded. The last thing you want is your parents to start treating me like you're a celebrity. Yeah. No, what I don't always be sometimes, though, if my mom doesn't get as excited or, like, doesn't know, you know, a big guest that I'm having or something.

I'm like, read up. Right. You know? But, like, we have to accept that, like, you know, they're not in this world, right? Like, they can't know all... Do they like the videos about them? They love them.

Really? Yeah, sometimes they help me get... They give me jokes for them all the time. So your videos about them, all I'm thinking... Because they're not... My characters are not even like them. Oh, they're not? Oh, so it's not really.

Okay. So you doing that is you literally filming yourself playing like four or five different characters. Yeah. That's so much work, no? I used to do it by myself as well before I moved to L.A. Used to film it all myself and edit it. Now I have an amazing editor who's in this room. Shoutouts.

Who does it? But yeah, it's kind of how my brain works. Like, if you were sitting here right now for those that are watching this on social as you watch us, Like, I would know that my mom's here, my dad's here, the uncle's there. I'm there and someone else's here. And then I would be able to, I would put sticky notes with their names and be able to have that conversation. Oh, my God. Did a lot of your content in the beginning used to be about them?

Yeah. A lot of it used to be about my parents' relationships, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So you're really inspired by like how you grew up and shit. Totally. Yeah. I love my culture.

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When you are a content creator, and I'm sure I actually don't call myself a content creator anymore because I feel like I do more, more TV and film stuff. Multi-hyphenate is the new. Multi-hyphenate. Yeah. Multi-hyphen-it. I still really like making content. But when I was doing, you know, in 2018, when I was doing YouTube the way I was, it's so all-encompassing. Like, it is so every part of your life.

Because there's no boss telling you what you need to do. There's no hours. It just takes over your life so completely. And in 2018, I kind of hit this point where I was like, dude, the lines are blurring between content and real life and, like, real interactions. I just had to take a step back because I still really like real life. Yeah. Real life is dope.

Yeah. People aren't yelling at each other randomly in real life, unless you're in New York, aren't yelling at each other randomly in real life. So I just, I needed to be reminded of the difference. Did you change, like, anything, though, aside from taking the break and coming back. When you came back, we were like, okay, I'm going to do a little. bit less. I'm going to be a little bit on Instagram. I think so. Yeah. I think I just kind of took the pressure off myself a little bit. Because one of the challenges I had was I had done a certain

type of content for so long and people tried to pigeonhole me into that being like, we want this, we want this. But my, me as an artist was like, I wanted something else. Yeah. Like you're growing. Exactly. I want it. So I think what I did during that break is really give my permission, give myself the permission to say you're allowed to grow. Yeah. allowed to try different things. I need to step back. Was the different things, TikTok? Yeah, the site I've been waiting for. Yeah. I was so anti-Tik-Tac because I was like, is this another thing?

I know. I can't. Yeah. So I got my team for many years to just syndicate my content onto TikTok. And it didn't really perform well. In the past month, I have decided that I'm going to use TikTok myself. So the past month, I have been close to myself. And the reason I did is because I was like, stop making this a thing.

It doesn't need to be your job. It doesn't need to be that now that you need a strad. You just have fun. So now I've just been having fun on TikTok. And it is fun. Yeah. But I still don't have TikTok on my phone. Oh.

I will have another phone that I, because I don't want to, the number one thing I don't be is the person that's just scrolling all day long. I like real life. Yeah. I still maintain that. You scroll Instagram? I try not to. Really?

And when I discover that I am scrolling mindlessly, I delete the app off my phone. Really? I don't want to be that person that's just ignoring the people around me and scrolling and like catch myself doing that. Yeah. TikTok still scares me. So let me know how it. I mean, here's the thing.

What you said is so true when you were syndicating it. it's like okay you're doing it kind of to like you know check a box but like as you know everything you've done thus far you've done you put yourself all in it right to win it and then you want it's also for me one of the reasons i made the change was community i believe in the power of community and like connecting with people yeah and i can't connect with people from just syndicating my content so now even if it's like me just being like hey i'm in new york doing this podcast it's really cool that's still and it's not the best piece of content that's all the bell vessels that's not the purpose of TikTok for me.

Do you get, though, like, inundated with thoughts of, like, likes and views? And so you have 15 million subscribers on YouTube. It's like a ton of fucking subscribers. Yeah. So do you have that in your mind still of, like, likes, comments? Like, do you get? I've had to unlearn it. I don't think about it as much as I used to when I was making YouTube videos and that literally

was your life. My livelihood, because that would actually then translate into, like, money. Yeah. That's different. Yeah. But now I, I, every once in a while it gets my brain, but I, not as much anymore. Yeah. Because I got other things, other things going on.

You got a lot of other things in real life. A lot of other things going on. Yeah. I can tell by all your freaking cue cards that you're so freaking prepared for. I fucking love you. You do? So prepared. I mean, yeah, I want to be prepared, you know.

Oh, soccer. Yes, I am part owner of LA's women soccer team, Angel City. So that happened already that started? They're playing. They're in their second season right now. Last year was their inaugural season. That's a big word. I just used.

Oh, God. Are you? But yes. Every time people come to a soccer game with me, they're like, all right, so what's the deal? Tell me stats. And I have to tell them. Are you a soccer girl? I don't know anything about soccer. I have to tell them that I don't know. Every time I walk into that stadium, I'm like, which way are we running? So how did this happen then? Just because it happened because women. Yeah. Because they approach me and they're like, it's a women soccer team. We're trying to revolutionize women in sport. And I was like, done. I'm down. Because it's about women. I'm down. But I know nothing about the sport. The amount of times I've accidentally cheered for the wrong reasons are immense. Like the Alaska. game they scored in us and I was like yeah and they're like no wrong goal because at half time we switch running it's a whole thing these switch sides when they're running but are you did you get into it oh I'm so into every game all the players know as well that I can come into the game because I'm like it's a new team that you created or is it a team that I personally I personally they auditioned for me I didn't even know the word auditioned out they tried out they tried no I'm just one of the investors no that's so fucking cool and by the way Ryan Reynolds

owns like a team now. No, you're the same. It's what I'm quitting. We actually, we've actually, we've actually DMed about it. Whatever, it doesn't matter. See? Yeah.

So that's the connection I'm making. He invested or owns a team, co-owned. And they fucking did a really big thing now that we probably both don't know what they did. But they did a, they elevated. They,

something happened with his team. I believe you. I believe you. Did you not see? No. You should have damned him about it. Okay. They graduated something.

You elevated and graduated your team. team is out hey Ryan so I heard today that you graduated your your team telling you something huge happened team a Gemini told me earlier today that you haven graduated you wait did you watch Ted Lasso did I want I live Ted Lasso you live so remember they did the thing that they used what is what is the thing that you're talking about like when they go into the better league I think so okay you should know more than me you fucking invest in a team and then And they, but that's, you're talking about a different league entire. You're talking about in England. So what? It's still soccer. No? I don't. You're asking the wrong person.

There's like first league, second league. Okay. This is news to me. Also, we didn't talk about the fact that when you started on YouTube, you went as superwoman. Yeah. Two. No. There was like I, I, I, superwoman, I, I. All my blonde moments are real. We're getting this in post. your dead dog. We're rewinding it. I love it. You should use it. I think it's amazing. I highly suggest. I. Superman. I. Woman.

I, superwoman. I. No. I. I. I. Superwoman. I. I. I superwoman. I. I. I. Stop. Two I. Two eyes. Two eyes. This. I. I. Superwoman. And then you changed it. That's a big deal, I feel like. I changed it to my name. I know. Because I didn't want to get. So when I made my YouTube channel, I was like, what cool name. I love the song, Lom. Feathing Fabulous from back in the day, Superwoman is a rap song. Can you sing it? Do you care about copyright, basically?

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Save you with my superpowers. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know. You're just nodding, that's fine. No, the beginning, these were off a little. So I called myself that testament to the fact that I didn't think it would go anywhere. And then once I started to realize that when you Googled Superwoman, I would show up before, like, the character.

Oh, wow. I was like, oh, God. So I proactively got my lawyer to reach out to D.C. being like, hey, she didn't mean it. Like, let's figure something else. Oh, you got scared of that kind of thing? Yeah, I came up with a deal with them over five years that I had to pay a lot of money for. Shut the fuck up.

But to wean off the name superwoman to change. But, and I promise I'm not trying to flex. Why do you proactively reach out to them? Because I didn't want them to discover and sue me for millions and millions of dollars. They were actually really cool about it because anyone could have sued me for millions and millions of dollars. You know what you had the I-I-I though. Damn it, you're right. No, but I am right.

No, that doesn't matter. Okay. I would wear the t-shirt with the logo and all the stuff right as well. So you did it more for legal reason? But also just because, like, at a certain point in my career, I also wanted people to just know my name. Like, I actually felt more powerful with people knowing Lily than Super Woman. Yeah. Yeah.

What about my dumb name? You know it? It's not skinny, but it's super dumb. I think it's amazing. Do you? I got emails all the times with all the things I'm doing. And this is the one that I asked for it. I was like, oh, this is interesting.

Shut the fuck up. So it gives you like a little bit of a 100%. It's not boring. I like it. So I should keep it? Yeah, I think so. And I mean, if I say changed, are you going to do that? Well, I would take your advice seriously.

Oh, my God. No, I think it's great. Do you remember? I think it's great. No, I'll tell you why it's interesting, though, because you changed your name in the middle of a really, really successful career. And you're still, okay. So this day, people still come up to me and call me super warm.

I could see that, though, because people that know you from them. No, I mean, oh, geez. Then you're like, oh, gee. Yeah. So tell me about everything going on now because there is a lot. One of them you're going to be in Disney Plus is Muppets of Mayhem. It's a voiceover situation, right?

No, baby. And everybody thinks like I get Muppets, but I'm a human on the show. Wait. You're a human on the show? I'm a human on the show. Wait. Yes, there's four humans. Yeah.

And then everyone else is a Muppet. But yes, I am the, I'm not playing a Muppet. So what's your character? My character is called Nora Singh, and she works in the music industry. She's not too happy with where she is right now. She's, like, trying to climb the ladder. So she finds the electric mayhem,

and she's trying to help them make their first album. But they're crazy and wild and she's trying to wrangle them and it's a lot of fun. Oh my God, that sounds so fun. It's so freaking fun. It's one of the most fun things I've ever done.

This is an example of the shoot days are really long because shooting with Muppets. There's so many technicalities and things that make it so hard to shoot with Muppets. But 15 hour days, I would drive home being like,

I hope I can do this every day. Did shoot in L.A.? Yeah. So you could go home every day too. I used to ask you this. You know that you look like Aubrey Plaza. Like, you know this, right? Really?

I don't get to talk. told that. You look exactly like her. Okay. Or she looks like you rather. Really? Yeah. I don't get told that. What? Yeah. I love her though. Go look over there. Go look over there right now. Like at my camera. You're not seeing this. Do you look like Aubrey Plaza? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I get. How do you not get that? I don't. People are crazy. Everyone in your life is doing you dirty right now.

Really? Everyone in your life is doing you dirty. If they're not telling you look like Aubrey Plaza or that she looks like you, they're not your real friends. You shouldn't get rid of them. You should get rid of them right now. They'll tell me like Margot Rabe. You know, Angelina Jolie. Okay. They're good. I'm getting. I'm going. Muppets. Muppets, ma'am. Muppets a mayhem. No, that sounds so fun. But how do you take Muppet seriously when you're acting?

So I was a little concerned before I started shooting. I'm like, I have to treat them like real people. And then when I got there, it was actually, it would have been harder to not treat them like real people because they're just so talented and good at them. And a lot of the times on the set,

I can't see the human at all because of the way the set is like designed. So I only see a moving Muppet that's talking to me. And because the dialogue, it's like not a kid show, right? It's like real heart, real dialogue, real emotions. I consider them real people. When I go on set,

I will say hi to the Muppet performer, and then I will say hi to the Muppet. Right, because whoever's doing The Muppet is like an actor. Yeah, they're so talented also. That's so cool. They're amazingly talented. So how are you feeling with acting right now? Is that something you want to pursue? I love it so much.

Yeah. I love it. And from the late night show, I also learned that like, I don't mind interviewing here and there for the right thing, but I prefer acting. I like scripted stuff. I like character. Yeah. So I had a blast.

And you're also doing another YouTube series called Mindful Adventures in Unicorna Island. Yes, that is a kids animated show. It's my company, Unicorn Island Productions, with Headspace. and it is a animated kid show where Lily, who has the stresses of her everyday life at school, learns how to meditate.

When she meditates, she goes into the crazy world of Unicorn Island. And so it teaches kids like mindfulness technique through this crazy, wacky world. Oh, I love that.

It's really cool. And it's like a kid show. It's a kid show, but honestly, I've watched every episode to give it notes and the entire adult production team is like,

this has helped me so much. Because when you're watching it, you can't help but do the mindfulness exercise too. Like, you're just watching and you're doing it subconsciously. It's just been the greatest joy in the middle of my day to have to watch these episodes to give notes on them.

And I'm just like, I'm like doing the exercises and it's really cool. And do you have a thing with unicorns? I do love unicorns. You love it. Because I am a unicorn. And you love like super, like you're in this. I like the like wacky kind of extraordinary lives. Yeah.

And you are a unicorn. Yeah, baby. Okay. That's my zodiac sign. Imagine you said that on like a first date. It's like so, so, so so, just so flatly like. Unicorn, like super seriously. Yeah, totally.

I feel like that would be hot. I'm into it. Okay. I was going to say that, like, you don't talk about your dating life. But anyway, we're about to wrap up anyway. And you don't. That's something you keep private. Is that your way of saying, like, we're going to wrap up unless you want to.

Here's the thing. So much of my life is out in the public. I need some things for myself. So if you had like a long-term relation, you would be opposed to posting it. I don't think about it. I would think about it. I don't have any rules like that where I will do this and won't. do this. I just want to make sure that I have some, some essence of a private life. Would you date someone in

the industry? Maybe. Would you date someone out of the industry? Yeah, maybe. Totally. I'm not, I'm not super constricted to industry or not industry. Yeah, yeah. I feel you. What are you watching right now on TV? Okay. That's how we really judge you. I know everyone in their mother is watching love is blind. Well, you know, everyone in their mother finished love is blind. Okay, I've never seen that show, but everyone around me talks about it. Yeah. And I feel like I have to watch it. I know. because I'm actually losing friends. Like, people are like, you can't hang with us because you don't know what we're talking about.

I know. I like shows that are like, okay, so I love Ted Lassau. We talked about this. Yellow jackets. Oh, how was season two? The first episode, I was a little... Did you... I like it.

I like it. I think it's like a weird show that I'm into. No, I love season one. Season two started and I was like, what's going on? I'm into it. So here's the thing I think the show's going to do. I think a whole bunch of weird stuff is going to keep happening and they're never going to explain it.

That's literally what the shows would be like, Now it's witchcraft tomorrow. It's never going to be explained. You know what I can't get on my head ever since season one? I have it stuck in my head like Taisa eating dirt. Just like I'll look in the darkness. Oh, that gets way, it gets way worse. Oh, she eats more dirt.

Yeah, Taisa eats lots of things. But yeah, so yellow jackets. I watch shrinking on Apple, which is amazing. I love that. Yeah, so good. So good. What else am I want? Oh, she loves Apple TV?

Okay, okay. Oh, my God. Do I need to make it sound much. Oh, no, no, I also watched my girl, Carrie Washington's a show. What's her name show? Unprisoned on. on Hulu. Oh, cool.

Oh, she looked great at the Met. Yeah, yeah. I feel like I just keep, just keep looking at me and nodding because I need to mention something, Disney Plus. Oh, the Kardashians. Keep nodding at me.

Okay, Disney Plus. Keep nodding it. Like, one, I love the Marvel series. All the Marvel series. I love the Marvel series. Yeah. The Marvel series on Disney Plus I love. Wait, so when does Muppets a Mamm am come out?

Muppets Mayhem premieres May 10th. And I actually do love all the Marvel series. It's on my vision board to be in a Marvel series. Oh, that's amazing. you listening and why I know you like to listen to this podcast, Disney. So, I mean, they kind of do like me. Yeah, Marvel. I'm just saying, I'll let you girl.

Listen, she's all about that life. She was superwoman. That's what I'm saying. I pitched that to DC too. I was like, you're sure you don't want to do something together? I'm just saying, you're sure? You did that? I did.

And they were like, stop using our name. Get out of our office. Let's collab. Yeah. Collab for collab. Yeah. That's what I was saying. Promo for promo.

Yeah. Collab? Collab post? No? No? Lily, thank you so much for coming on. You're a gem. You're a gem.

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