Not Skinny But Not Fat - LISA VANDERPUMP IS MY QUEEN

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

I made an exception to “I’m not recording anymore podcasts because I’m a thousand weeks pregnant” because LVP was in town! If I loved Lisa before the interview, I’m absolutely obsessed with her after the interview! She is warm, down to earth, loving, candid, and pretty much wanted to deliver my baby in studio. We discuss everything: VPR, Scandoval, Vanderpump Villa, The Valley, who she thinks is an incredible reality star (and who not so much), RHOBH and how she really feels about her ex castmates. We delve into how she became the entrepreneur she is today, adopting Max, being a hands-on grandma and more!Produced by Dear MediaThis episode may contain paid endorsements and advertisements for products and services. Individuals on the show may have a direct, or indirect financial interest in products, or services referred to in this episode.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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believe that i get to chat with some of my favorite stars or my very own podcast where you'll feel like you're just talking shit with your best friends in your living room You guys, Lisa Vanderpump is here. This is an interview I couldn't not do. And donut. And donut. Yeah. And I wanted to get to you before you popped.

Yeah. You know. Yeah. But you look great. Thank you. That's really nice. I believe you. I feel like you wouldn't just say that.

No, you look great. Thank you. Thank you. I don't believe you put on that. I don't believe you put on much weight at all. Okay, we don't need to tell them the number that I told you. I'm not going to mention the 500 pounds. But I was surprised to find out when we were chatting about my pregnancy that you were at your housekeeper's birth.

Yeah. She wanted me there. She wanted you in the vagina area. Yeah. Well, she didn't actually say, I want your head in my vagina. She just said, wouldn't come to the birth. But I assumed, you know, that I would be down that end waiting, giving her thumbs up when the baby popped out. But a lot of people that work for years, you see, you know, Bandapump Rules, you'll see

on Bandap Biller, I've become very close to them. And when they've been there for years, they kind of look at me like a mother figure. Mind you, I was only like 33, 34 when I was there. Like, I didn't deliver the baby, but I was there. And I was there for my brother's wife. Right, you said that too, for your brother's wife. Like, she wanted you and not someone from her family. Well, my brother was there, but he was up the other end.

I was with a hoo-ho down there. And I saw my nephew's head come out and look around, and I love reminding him of that, especially as he was graduating Cambridge. I said, remember, I was the first one that saw you when you were shoulder-deep in vagina. I'm sure he loves that. No, because you are such an interesting complex person because on one hand, we were talking about donut shedding.

You don't care to have dog hair all over you. We were talking about the fact that you do your own makeup. I'm very self-sufficient. I am my people. But yet you're like Lisa Vanderpump on the PJs. Yeah, but I mean, I'm just like, I'm the same. same person. I think a lot of people, when they kind of venture into reality television, maybe their lifestyle changes so significantly, they change, right? But when you first met me on

Housewives, I was living in a lovely house, driving lovely cars. I mean, we worked hard for it. We've been married forever in a day. So I didn't really change my lifestyle. Of course, the press attention and things change, but my life didn't change financially. Yeah. You know, So, yeah, I'm still the same person as I was, and we worked hard to get where we were and I'll do anything. I'm a scrapper, as Gordon says. But when, oh my head, you love Gordon. If I was your husband, I would be a little bit worried. Yeah, no, he doesn't need to worry. No, you talked about Gordon since you came in. Yeah, no, because I do. I do. Yeah. We've been together two months. So I've been at an intense school of Gordon Ramsey Ness. And you're into it all. Yeah.

I mean, I think I've had more fun playing with him. Yeah. Backwards and forwards because English people are so inappropriate. Everybody in America is so mortally wounded. If anybody says anything wrong and they, you see their therapist and also somebody, we don't get a fuck. Right. Even when you ask me how much weight I gained.

Yeah. I was like, oh my God, no one has asked me that because we live in America where I'm not joking you guys. Regina knows she's been with me at every podcast since I got pregnant. It's like, I'll walk into a. room when my belly was a little bit smaller and like no one will say anything. They didn't actually think I had lunch, but they're just too scared to. Oh yeah. No, I'm a great believer in that. Unless the baby's actually coming out of the vagina, don't say, are you pregnant? No, but not because I have family in

Israel and my mom's Israeli. So I grew up with the mentality of you say what you think kind of thing. Yeah. And then America is hard that everyone's so sensitive. Yeah, I find it a little too delicate. for me, the way we brought up. I mean, I did say to Gordon working for two months in England on food stars, I mean, that we would probably be cancelled if we were shooting the show, you know, in America, the things we'd say was so inappropriate. But I think when you know it's in good humour, and you're not sensitive, we just have a lot of fun together. But also, it was a business show. So it was also very structured. And we were mentoring these young, incredible, you know, entrepreneurs. So it was a lot of kind of business acts.

but it was coupled with a great laugh as well. So you've been so busy. Yeah, so busy. Not as busy as you go, darling. Vanderfam Villa and Hulu. Oh, that's everything. I mean. Escapism.

It's beautiful. It's a passion project for me. Did you actually buy that estate? No, but I took it to them when I thought I was going to buy it. We thought, oh, I love this place. Why don't we do a show there? And then I met up with Julie Pizzi, of Buni Murray, who's a brilliant, brilliant.

woman, young woman that is just at the top of her game in production companies. And we said, okay, let's do this show together, a chateau, upstairs, downstairs type of vibe. You know, what's going on behind the scenes? Because most people don't ever see that. You know, a restaurant, you just see the theater. You just see, you don't see the hot mess that's going on in the kitchen. So how did you find all these people? Because they're from everywhere. Oh, yeah. Well, we put out a casting call. The number one requisite was the fact that they had to be at the top of their game and whatever they were doing. I wasn't going there to teach anybody.

They had to be great bartenders. Like, Telly was a great mixologist. Andre was great. You know, Grace, she kind of worked at housekeeping for many years. You know, they all knew exactly what they were doing because we had to hit the round running. Yeah, the housekeeping was the only thing that confused me. Like those two are really cleaning the whole chateau? Yeah, that's their job.

That's their job. Like no other help? Oh, well, there was help a little bit. That's why they weren't from, I mean, you know, if they were downstairs production rooms. Oh, they're like front of house. No, no, they did all the rooms. Yeah, they did the rooms. And they do it well, like the sheets, the bathrooms.

Yeah, they were great. But they, I mean, they weren't as present if you noticed that. I think maybe they could have had another one to help them. But they were very good, yeah. And Grace was, you know, she was on the game, definitely. And then Emily kind of stepped into the bar, turning position as well at the end, if you remember. I like Emily. Yeah.

I like them all. Yeah, you like them all? I do, yeah. Really? Even Marciano? Yeah, I do. I mean, he acts like he needs direction for sure, but I haven't given up hope on him. You know, yeah, he can be a bit of a brat.

I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with him. People are calling him and Hannah the Walmart Jackson Stasi. Oh, no. Yeah. I mean, sometimes Walmart, sometimes they'll just say they're like the new Jackson's Sassie. But they say the Walmart. I know. That's a bit unfair, isn't it?

But I always say to all of them, what other people think of you is none of your business. You know, just don't get invested in that. Yeah, you can't be on social media looking at what people think. People are nice to me pretty much, but I don't, I'm not looking through. People are good to me because I stand up for a lot of kind of passionate things, LGBT rides, dog rights, people love the whole dog thing, adoption, suicide prevention, all those things over the years. So people... You managed to balance it. Yeah, people aren't normally mean to me.

Well, I want to go back to the beginning a little bit with you because you married Ken when you were 21. When I hardly knew him, yes. And he was a restaurateur. Yeah, well, yeah, he was also a Playboy. So, yeah, he was like running around, you know, like, shacking everybody. And he was like, a friend of my brothers, yeah. And you, that didn't alarm you that he was?

I was very alarmed. Oh, okay. Of course. But he won you over, too. Yeah, in six weeks. We were engaged. and then three months we were married. Wow.

Big wedding. And you were 21? Like horse and carriages, long, big puffy dresses, bridesmaids. Wait, he was like really rich already? No, he wasn't. I mean, we bought our first house together. No, he wasn't. But he actually did have a house in Ibiza.

But he was like 36 years old. He was like a young kind of entrepreneurial businessman. He was a guy around town. He had a nightclub. He had girls' clothes shops. as well. So he was in the rag trade. Wait, so how did you end up being the restaurant tour? Well, we both were.

Oh, so you were together and then. Oh, yeah. And I was looking at the children, my priority, but I designed and we got involved. I was always very much part of everything we were doing and designing a lot. I do a lot of the design of everything. Do you think he saw that in you like when he met you or he thought you would be just like a housewife, phrasing? Oh, no,

no, no, no. I mean, I was a successful young actress when I met him. I bought my own place by the time I was 19. Oh, wow. Yeah, and didn't have a penny from my parents, just a kick in the ass. Good education. Yeah. A kick in the ass, and that was it.

No, I bought my own car before I was old enough to drive. Wow. I was always tenacious. I always had a job. So I'm all about young people, get going. Don't, you know, sit on your ass and, like, expect it to happen for you. I, you know, I had a job since I was, I don't know, 13. I'd worked my holidays.

I mean, I was babysitting when I've left my children with me. I have no idea what people. thinking. Wait, Lisa, but 21 you get married. Yeah. So did you get anything in till 21? Like men and did I get anything in? Yeah. Yeah. Experience. Is that how you explain it? Dating? Do you get anything physically in? Like did you do. Did I get any penises? Yeah. Is that what you're talking about? Why don't you ask me? Did you get laid? Yeah. Of course I did. Like you lived a life before 21. I did. Yeah. But not that many.

I wasn't that busy. I was more of a relationship type of person, even as a young age. I had like a boyfriend that I thought was love of my life. And I left him for another boyfriend that I thought was the love of my life. And then another one was the love of my life. And then I married to love my life. And then for some unknown reason, it's lasted 42 years. Wow.

Yeah. That's amazing. But I'm very honest. I'm always looking for somebody like better. I just didn't find him. Wait, so if he was a playboy before you met, were you ever, suspicious of him when you were together or you knew once you got married he would be loyal. Oh, I would be suspicious of every man on the planet, whoever I was married to,

whoever I was dating. Yeah, I would never think that, I mean, he's still a man. Yeah. It doesn't matter just because he's married to me. Right. That is, yeah. Oh, you still like, well, what, have you ever checked his phone or his stuff? Oh, I actually have a tracker on his phone. He doesn't even know. Oh, you're Shina. So I'll say, hi. How are you? Where are you? And it will just tell me, And I'll be like, oh, my God. But sometimes if he's like being economical with the truth, I'll say, oh, yeah, just a friend of ours, just saw you blah, blah, blah, you know. Yeah. Wait, does he know about this tracker or no?

Well, he will now, but he's not going to be listening to this podcast. He doesn't do things like that. Are you more, like, technologically savvy than him, like phone, social media, stuff like that? Definitely. But there's a lot of people that much more technologically savvy than me. Yeah, yeah. In fact, I think all of the Gen Z. Well, I mean, yeah, I agree.

I mean, I kind of live on my iPad, but I'm also, you know, one of the things I was saying about Gordon as well is I said to him yesterday, you know, I've never seen you on the phone. He's so present in a way. And I think that's very impressive and I think that's a thing that this generation should really pay attention to. And that was really good at Van Pump Villa, you know, no phones, not loud any phones. You deal with everything, your thoughts within, you know, group and with each other. So you're not kind of just, and you can have your phone call every

few days or something. Because I think you've got to be present in a situation to really evaluate it, understand it and give it your full kind of, you know, focus. So back to when you met Ken for a second. And then when did you by this, aren't you? Yeah. When did you, so when did you have Pandora? How old were you? 25. Oh, 25. You were young mom. Well, I wait. That was. I mean, yeah, that was four years. Listen, yeah, I did get married young, especially then people. weren't getting married quite as young. As I walked down the aisle, I've actually written about this in the book that I'm never going to release because I'll never finish it. Every year it's really, I'll never finish it. Someone can help you finish it though. Yeah, but I don't like

anybody else's I am a control freak. You wrote it? Like it's all your... Yeah, 53,000 words I wrote. And then I got a ghostwriter and I hated there. Oh, gosh, she's an exclamation marks. I thought, no, no, no, no. Just like, this isn't going to work. So then I took it back. And then I tried again. And then, you know, It will just, you know, it will just sit on the shelf getting dusty. No, we need you to finish it. And they should release it then, you know. No, for so. But then I won't have to apologize for all the shit that I put in it.

That's a thing if you release a tell-all. No, it's not a tell-all. Oh, it's not a tell-all. Oh, it's not a tell-all. If I tell-all, geez. Has anybody read it? It's a restaurateur. Tell-all, can you imagine the shit that I know?

Oh, my God. That's why when they would say things like, oh, you've sold a story to radar on, like, talk to radar on mine anyway. I mean, even like my band of it. But, you know, as if I'm going to be giving a story straight on a night, give me a break. Do you know the stories that I have up my sleeve after having all the restaurants I've had, after being on tour with Rolling Stones, after living in L.A., after having housewives carried them out the back door. Wait, what age were you on tour with the Rolling Stones?

Oh, you know what, that doesn't matter. But yeah. Wait, before you got married. No, no. Ken was Bill Wyman's best man. Oh. Yeah, apparently was Bill Wyman's bridesmaid. So, I mean, I'm just saying, as an example, all the things I've done. seen, I wouldn't be giving a story to radio and I know about a puppy that, you know,

made my foundation look bad because, yeah, exactly. So it's nonsense. I mean, I've got a lot of stories in L.A. that people come in, you know. I'm always shocked when I hear about people are like, oh, you sold a story, you, whatever. And then sometimes I will hear that it's true. Like, recently I heard of a housewife in New York. I won't say who it is. That.

Why not? I'm bearing my soul. Help me everything. Well, I'll give enough. I'll give enough clues that people will get. But there was a, there's a New York City, OG New York City Housewife. Oh, right.

That was, it came out that she hung out with a young Bravo star. And then I, I heard for a fact from the publicist that, like, she told the press. And that, like, I won't, I don't get it. But it happens. No, I don't know. A lot of people, I think, I do believe a lot of the,

especially Beverly Hills, have connections to the press. I mean, I don't even have a publicist. You don't even have a publicist. And I don't ever read anything. Is that terrible? I almost kind of live in my own world. Yeah. If it's something important, like, you know, a lawsuit,

so it's most litigious state in the planet. You know, everybody's kind of like, especially restaurateurs after them all the time. But apart from that, no, I don't pay any attention to it. I don't know. As I say, what other people are saying about me is none of my business. I mean, Patrick, you know, will say to me who's with me now, who, you know, like, will blow drying my hair while I'm doing my making.

up, being on location with Gordon two months, being on vacation with Vanderpump Villa for two months, you know, he'll say, oh, did you see that? And then it piqued my interest. Oh, come on, tell me, tell me. And he knows all the gossip. I'm like, how do you know all this shit? Is there anything that can offend you, though, if he shows you, if Patrick shows you something online? Like, what's probably wouldn't show? That's true. You're smart. No, but is there anything? Actually, do you? What would offend me about me? About you? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't really know. No. No. I mean, you know. I mean, you know, you know. I mean, you know. know, when they say things like, oh, she lied about it, like, what?

You know another thing. One of the reasons I left housewives, and Andy's been very honest with this, I said at the time, I shouldn't be doing the show this year. I was a very depressed state of mind. My brother had just committed to her, so my only sibling. I was very honest about that. I said, I'll do band-and-pump rules because I have to work, go back to work anyway, and I, you know, it's more of a mentoring thing, but I don't want to do housewives.

I just can't get into it. I was very emotional. I was very like, if there was no milk in the fridge, I was kind of on the edge, you know. And I took antidepressants then for three months, try and get over that hump because I just felt so, you know, he was 16 months older than me. He's like, you know, it was very difficult. So, yeah, even now when I think back, I mean, it's like this time of year, it was just a very difficult time of my life. So I shouldn't have done it then. And Andy said, with hindsight, we should have said, yeah, you don't, you know, take a year off.

Yeah. But then I'm a religious woman. I mean, I don't go to church often, but I, like, supported the church for years, homeless, feeding the homeless, and, you know, go to church certain times of the year. And to me, if somebody says to you, I swear on my children's life that I don't know who did it, and I didn't do it. But if you said that to me, I swear on my baby's life. You would believe.

Oh, yes. I wouldn't for one minute go, come on, if you said, no, I swear on my children's life, I'd say, okay, well, we've got to find out who did. I wouldn't. You would believe it. For one moment, I think that you would be. I don't think a mother does that or certainly anybody with any principles. So I remember being so frustrated saying, I swear to you all my children's life, doesn't that matter?

No, I said, do you know what? Get the fuck out of my house. Bang. I mean, that lion. Go by car. Forever. But it's so true. I'm a person like that, too, where like, not even in the religious sense, but it's like, I want to believe people.

If somebody tells you something, then unless I have a huge reason not to or some flaming proof, then believe, believe the person. When I said that to PK, I met PK and Doreet and P.K. went, you know what? Okay, I believe you. If it's good enough for me, Doreet, should be good enough for you? And no, it's not. But we can still be friends. No, we can't.

Guess what? You're not going to be lying, getting away with it. But you know what? I was ready to be done. You're ready. Was it toxic for you, that environment? I know, toxic's a big word. I think it's a word that's kind of used.

Toxicity, what does that mean? You're right. I benefited from it. I used it as a platform. I did many things on that show that I would never have had the opportunity to do. So I can't say it was toxic. But did I think having Banderpump Rules on the second season maybe created a lot of feelings within the other, you know, within the group? Yeah, maybe that became a little bit toxic.

Maybe the kind of negativity. Every other year it would be coming at you and I'd show up at these reunions every year that all be against me. And then you didn't show up at... No, I said, listen, the point of reunion, as I said last night, Tandy was, you know, with the intention of reuniting. And I was done. I then and there said I will never come back.

Wow. Then and there's no like, if I draw a line in the sand. You're not, you're not going to do the reunion. Yeah, no. But you all that kind of. kind of woman too, I think. If you say, bam, that is it. Yeah. That's it. That's it. I'm not wasting my time.

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Right. And I've met Saturn. She was very nice. I've met Crystal. She was nice. But Garcel, I'm closer to. Yeah. Barsel actually said to me the first time I met her.

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Can I ask you a favor? Oh, here it comes. you know, I get asked this all the time. She said, can you give my son a job? Oh, no, right this. And then she said, I said, well, what does he do? She said, well, I'm like, what does he do in the hospitality business? She said, nothing.

I was like, oh, fuck off. I put that on me, you know. And I said, where does he live? I thought, you know, because it's going to get complicated to employ somebody's son. And then she said, well, he lives in Vegas. And, you know, he really could do with, like, another chance, so to speak. So I said, all right. Now, I never judge people on what they've done.

I judge them and what they're doing, what they're going to do. You know what I mean? So I said, okay, let me meet him. I met him. It was so engaging, so personable, so kind of easy on the eyes. And I said, Tim, what skill do you have in terms of hospitality? He said, well, none. But it was the way he presented himself.

I said, well, how do you fancy be in the face of Band of Pump Cocktail Garden in Caesars because he lived in Vegas and just greeting people and just being nice to them and showing them, you know, you've only got to learn the table. numbers. And the next time I came in, he was working out, well, he knew the table numbers like that. And I remember saying, oh, don't she have that cocktail that I really liked that I had last time. He said, oh, what's it now? What's that happened? And he went, oh, I'm just going to find out. I went, he's got it going on. Is he still working for you? Yeah. Oh, he is. Yes. And he can work for me as long as until, as long as he wants to. Even after that whole Raquel, la, ex-wife.

Yeah, but, you know, he told me and I believed him, you know, when somebody says, I promise you again, I didn't know them that well. Yeah. I said, I promise, you know, I'm separated or, you know, that whole situation. I, yeah. And also, I know, is that baby? Are you like the key a little anxious? No, oops, I did the, I'm notorious for not cradling the bump.

I don't like cradling the bump. Oh, I'll cradle the bum. She loves a bum. I loved that feeling of the feet around and pushing it. You do? Oh, we would play a game. I was only 25, so I was like this child who'd chase the puttee. So I could see the foot, you know, when you could see the foot going like,

that. And if I saw it, we would grab it like that. Yeah. Oh my God. And I'm very tactile. I think that's why I need to always have animals and I'm very passionate about everything. I'm passionate about flowers. I'm passionate about music. I was to have music playing my house. You know, I like lots of flowers around. I like dogs, puppies. Now, for me to have my first grandchild. That was exciting. That is probably, I thought it'd be good, but I had no idea how good it was. Were you at all concerned about like being a grandma like having that title oh god making it feel older no he called me Lisa the other because people were chanting Lisa Lisa well dog day when I was presenting there and I said no no you don't call me Lisa I said because I've waited so long to be called nanny pinky I love being called nanny

pinky yeah I got nanny pinky and that's like wait why pinky oh because I've loved pink you know I know Regina was like you have to wear pink today oh yeah exactly but I guess it was limited choices now. Yeah, it's limited. But this is good. I like it. Thank you. So Nanny Pinky. So when he says Danny Pinky, that's like, it's almost like, you know, when you feel your heart kind of mood? Yeah. But that is like that. Do you do babysit and stuff? Oh, yes. A lot. But she is just like I was as a mother, very, very possessive. I didn't let anybody put Pandora to bed until she was 18 months old. Stop. No, yeah. Very. And there was not one part of that baby that was not kissed or put in my mouth every day. Saucydroles, I'd call the feet,

the teddy paws, the hands, the wage walks here, the feathers here, the furry face. I was like a mother that I, I loved being a mother, loved it. Max is adopted, right? Maxi adopted, yeah, foster care. From foster care. Yeah. How did that come about? Did you ever talk about that? Just because we thought we'd have one, adopt one, have one, have one. Ken adopted a child for his twin sister many years ago. Adopted a child for his twin sister. What do you mean for her? Somebody was pregnant that worked for him. This is way back when, okay, right? Because this is, well, like 10, no, five years before we got married. So it's in 82, we got married. So it's probably in the 70s. Somebody was pregnant and married. That was worked for Ken. And his sister wanted a baby. And she was trying for a baby. And then she got the baby because this woman was giving the baby up. And Ken said, well, I know a great home, the baby. And then, of course, she got pregnant that week. and had her own child nine months later and then another child, nine months later, and then another child. So then she had four. Wait, so your plan was to have one baby, adopt one baby?

Well, we always thought, you know, maybe fostering, like, yeah, we thought it was just a part of something we talked about. Then we had one, and then we adopted Max from foster care, and then it was like, we got so busy. And then we were moving, you know, we moved back to England when the children were young from here. Yeah. And then we moved to France. And then we tried. And then I thought, oh, I didn't want to have another boy because I felt that Max

would feel, you know, I wanted a girl. So we thought, let's try sex selection and have another girl, you know, so that he wouldn't feel they had it gone. How did you do that? Well, they get the sperm. So Ken jerks off. It goes into a cupboard. No, they don't allow that today.

You know that you have to be like on, to do sex selection. I just heard about this. you have to have had three kids of the same gender. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, no, it wasn't like that then. Yeah, then it's probably like, yeah. Oh, you just go jerk off in a cupboard or do something, you know, I don't know what you do.

And then they separate the sperm and then they, and I thought, okay. They turkey-based stirrette? I think so. I mean, you just like, you know, put legs in the stirrups and up your uncle. So you tried that way and. Well, I just thought that I didn't want Max. If I had a boy, suddenly feel, oh, I'm the adult, you know, so I don't. We had two girls.

Yeah, so we tried that once or twice. It didn't happen. We were so busy opening businesses. Two was enough, yeah. Yeah. But now you regret it? I think I don't like more. Really?

I mean, I taught it at the children's school for a few years. I'd teach musical theater and confidence kind of built. And yeah, I actually did think that I wish I'd had like four or five. I think you should pop out more. So are you already, like, sitting on Pandora's neck to have more babies? Well, she's like me. Again, she's very business-driven. Yeah.

And she's doing, I mean, I, yeah, listen, if it happens and they want it, I want what's best for them, but this baby, I'm not biased. She's the most beautiful child on the planet. How old is he now? It's two and six months. That's a cute age. Yeah, and everything that he's just. Oh, you're obsessed.

Yeah, I am. That's so cute. I mean, I have like a little play school at Villarosa, you know, that he can come over with his friends and, you know, I just, I love him madly. And they're very, very good parents. They're very good parents. Pandora and Jason, very good parents. He's the happiest baby. I've literally seen him a cry a few times. And when he does, I try and see him like every day, every other day. Every day? Yeah, pretty much. They live 100 yards for me. Oh, 100 yards.

That's too far. Do you go there or they come to you? I'm kind of really mostly snooping around outside their house. Oh, yeah? Yeah, trying to get in, yeah. Lisa, I have to talk to you about Vanderpump rules. Are you sure this, your tummy's not bothering you? No, it's not. Is it the baby moving? I mean, he's moves all the time, but I'm fine. Yeah. Don't you love that? I'm over it.

Do you want, do you, do I want it? I mean, well, he's going to have to come out. Do you want this, baby? Yes. Okay, I would love that baby. No, I, he, you know how they tell you the doctor is like, count movements, which I'm so lucky, knock on wood, but I don't need to count it because it's all day like, just going up, you know what I mean?

But I love that feeling. Yeah, yeah. But I don't have to like pay attention or count luckily. What about hiccuping? That's the best thing. Is it if you felt that? Him hiccuping. Yeah, and Zay.

No, I have it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, and when you talk about VPR, I want you to know it's my favorite show on Bravo. Like, I know people die for housewives and, you know, but Vanderpump Rules, I remember when I started watching it, binging it. Isn't it, whenever you meet a housewife, especially from Beverly Hills, I want you to make sure you tell them that. Oh, they'll die, huh? I'll tell you what, I really had never seen a show that was so real. So real. I mean, you can't recreate that anymore, right? It's like they were already working there. You have this idea. Transitioned so beautifully. The cheating, everyone having sex with each other. I mean, I couldn't. So this day, I'm like, even if there's an off season and people start talking, I'm like, we commit, we die for it. Well, I mean, I think the interesting thing about, I mean, I had a lot of people working for me at the time, but it was about a group of friends ostensibly. It was about authentic relationships. And I love that about that.

and there was this nucleus that kept bringing them back together, whereas the nucleus in Banderpump Villa is the fact that they're all living there anyway, whereas these people would go home, but they were still friends. So you had this authentic relationship, and I think both scenarios are equally interesting. You know, Banderpump Villa, they're all suddenly put together in this, you know, small kind of stuff, and that kind of really is impactful, the way it changes the dynamic and the machinations between all the kind of feelings.

But with Van der Pamp Rules, there was this kind of raw, energy about them that, and I think Stasi kind of set the stage for that. She was very open to, you know, she didn't give a shit. I mean, she's like James Kennedy. I'm going to say what I'm going to say, and I don't care if there are cameras over there because I'm just going to do it. That's how she was. And that kind of set the stage for a great reality show. And then it was obviously the kind of a fractious relationship between her and Jacks. Do you still talk to Stacey at all? Yes. You do? Yes. Really? I like Stasi a lot.

I think Stasi's always had so much potential. And it was very sad, you know, when she was let go. Yeah. And it was a sign of the times of what was happening in the zeitgeist, you know, the whole kind of movement of people just saying, no, this isn't right. And, you know, and I understood their decision. Yeah. Did you try to fight for her or no?

It was the decision was made. Yeah. It was made. It was way up above when it was people, you know, it was a knee-jet reaction. Yeah. Well, maybe it wasn't Bravo thought it through, but I wasn't part of that. But I couldn't stop it. It was like a runaway train.

So I'd always said, I prefer people. I think young people make mistakes. That's part of growing up. You know, they say the wrong things. They get it wrong. They spend too much money. They drink too much. They do, you know, everything's in excess.

You know, they think there. And she thought she was kind of. Right. She thought she was invincible. Yeah, invincible. Yeah. And, you know, it. And, you know, for me, I'd rather watch young people learn from their mistakes.

Like, yeah, I was saying, okay, Mastiano's an asshole. Yeah, he might be acting like that. But a lot of men have acted like a prat, you know, throughout their younger years, and they come through it and they understand. That's what I would rather see. I want to see growth in people. I mean, look at James Kennedy. How many people wrote...

You love James, huh? I love James. Now, does he get it wrong? Yes, but look at the growth. Would you ever think that James Kennedy would be getting the love that he's getting now? I mean, it took years. Yes, I thought he had potential. Yeah.

And he's probably the most interesting, along with Starcy, reality star, that I've ever worked with. I mean, he, I remember not only like social media growth, but everything, it was like stumped. Like people weren't connecting. People thought he was awful. And he's had a season or a couple seasons of really people. falling in love with him. Yeah, James is just like an open book. He's very interesting

the fact that what he's thinking he says. And I don't like it when there's no filter. There's just an excuse for being rude. He almost can't stop himself. And so there's been a lot of talking to him and drink is his worst enemy. He should never drink again. I've been

very honest with him about that. It's like fur literally grows on the inside of his palms when he drinks. Yeah, he's really it looks like he's doing well. Yeah. And you like his girlfriend, Allie? Very much. Yeah. Very much. Did it break your heart when she was, like, not sure about wanting marriage and babies with him and stuff? Well, you know, I mean, it's pretty quick and it is a lot to handle, but I know he truly, truly loves her.

And he'd always be a lot to handle. But, you know, he's so emotional. Like, he's so emotional. He was emotional over the stand of all stuff, which I didn't really understand, like, is the emotional over Raquel still? Did you think, but was the emotional? He felt like duped by his very good friend because he always revered Tom Sandival and looked up to him as a big brother. Yeah. And I think he felt that, you know, she'd been James's partner and he felt that just the deceit, it was just too much. So it wasn't about her. No.

I think he's so in love with Ali now. Yeah. I think he loves hard. He's that guy, you know, like once he's, you know, he's in it. You were also, I mean, Scandival's obviously people are starting to. get over it. Please God. I know.

But you were, I've agreed with you a lot. You were very much like, not seeing Tom's side. He has no side in this. But you were trying to not have people kill him out on the streets. Well, yeah, I mean, you know, we were talking about Adele in a concert would be talking about that piece of shit's animal. Right. I was at White House dinner and they were talking about that piece of shit's animal.

And I was like, how much can one person take? Yeah. You know, and it's like, you know, even now, as I say, Van der Pounderpump, pillar. They're reacting to, you know, sometimes people are assholes. They are. And, you know, they don't get literally the headlines in CNN, for God's sake. I mean, what's going on in the world? Well, it wasn't going on at the time. But, you know, it became a little too overreactive. And I worry about people's mental health. I've always worried about people's mental health, young people. I think the pressure gets too much when you're on that platform. Like, we, you know, we talk about the kids in

Banderpump Villa, you know, they've got to just think, okay, everybody's got an opinion, you know, but it doesn't mean it's going to affect your life, you know. It's like, let it go, you know. I just think it was very important. I've been an advocate for suicide prevention, you know, being on Trevor Project PSAs and talked to them, never think it would affect my life. But, you know, my brother, when he was depressed, and then it was too late, you know, and I just, I saw Tom talking to me about suicide ideation, that scares, me more than anything. Yeah. You know, to have

somebody thinking there's no way out and that this too shall pass. I kept saying, this two shall pass. There were many people that have been what's the percentage of people that have had affairs and been adulterous? It was just the way he did it. Herit Ariana was with her friend. But

so many people have been in that situation and I haven't been, you know, slaughtered for it. What would you say then was so different about this that he was slaughtered? Because I think Banderpump rules has always been an open book. I think it's always been that they felt the audience, they were part of it. They understood all the relationships.

They knew what was going on with Tom and Ariana, and they felt deceived, as well as Ariana. I mean, Raquel would look Ariana in the eye, and that's what I didn't understand, saying, how's what's your sex like? Oh, that was, I mean, that's diabolical. That is crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's on a whole other level. Yeah, exactly.

So she would ask her, you know, how's your sex life with Tom all the time she was sleeping with him? Yeah, that's crazy. And that, to me, I think people were reacting to that. I think the duplicitous, you know, and the fact that Ariana, God bless her, was absolutely vociferous in her defense of Tom saying he would never do that. She's my friend. He's my boyfriend. They would never do that.

And I'm like, she's in the jacuzzi. Like, what are you? She will never do that. And so, suddenly, it all kind of fell apart. And I think people were very angry. I think the audience felt duped. I think they felt defensive of Ariana. and the whole thing kind of, you know.

And people also never really liked Sandoval. You know that? Like the audiences always kind of... We're on the periphery with him. Yeah, with like Sassy and with, you know, Katie hated him always. And I feel like the audiences. And I, because I remember watching it

and trying to be a Tom Sandoval apologist before the cheating, being like, you guys, like, why do you hate him? Like, he's a good friend to Schwartz. Like, oh, he's... That's one thing I said, well, hold on a second. He's been an extraordinary friend, an extraordinary asshole in this circumstance, but an extraordinary friend to many of them. You saw James, look at James.

And look at Sheena, though. Look at Sheena. Wait, what's happening with Sheena that she's so upset? Is this over him? I think she loved Tom as a friend, and they worked together for years before they were on Banda Popples in Biliblanca, my restaurant there in Bermil's. But like, there's this guy who works this really? like the six-foot-six black guy that works for me. He was just so charming,

Israel, and he was on in Schwartz and Sanders for a while. And I remember him telling me the story of how he didn't have any money and Tom sending him money so he wouldn't have to sleep on the floor. And nobody knew this. But that is Tom Sandoval. He can be a very good friend and very caring. I always saw that. James saw that. Yeah, Sheena. You know, Sheena saw that. So there's a lot of good in Tom Sandoval, just not the part he put in Raquel. It's not all bad. So for the Vanderpump series finale of this season, we got worried. There was a montage.

It was giving final season. Andy clarified that it's not. Is there anything you can tell us about it? Well, I'm very busy right now. I'm opening a new restaurant in Flamingo in Vegas in September next to Gordon again. I don't know what would keep from each other. I'm going to call Ken after this. Ken, you need to track Lisa on your phone.

But he doesn't know. track him. Right. So we can't. Yeah. But no, she loves Gordon. That's something you, I mean. Yeah, but it's also very competitive.

Yeah. It's very. Maybe that's why you like it so much. Yes, exactly. The business thing is like, right, this is, I'm going to do this. I'm going to get you. You know, that kind of fires up the competition between us. But it's been like that.

Okay. So you're opening a restaurant, Flamingo by Gordon. No, that's just because we're both in Caesar's Palace and the renovation of the flamingo. You sure you've got a cramps? Lisa. Lisa. Like, what is that?

Lisa, it's a little, like, thing. I think it's happening. It's happening. Take your trousers off. Let's get it down. I would give anything. And then if it's a boy that comes out, you've got to call it Lisa. I don't get it.

Or Vander Pump. You call it Vander Pump. We will think of something. Or Vanda. Yeah. I'll use an L. How is that? Yeah.

I use an L in the name. Yeah, come on then. I mean, listen. Sure, it might happen. Because Lisa, it's not comfortable. It's not. It won't lie to you. So you think it could be happening?

No, I think it's not comfortable at this stage, you know, 38 weeks. I know that. I, I don't mind you out of 48 weeks, yeah. And, you know, the last two weeks, it's okay, it doesn't really count. You'll fine to do it today if you want now. I know. But hurry up because I have to be on this flight. When's the flight?

Like 3.30, you've got like half an hour. No, well, we are hurrying up. Okay. So don't. With the baby. Oh, let me hurry out the podcast. She wanted to come out during the podcast. Oh, that would be great.

Well, a little bit of champagne. Yeah. We're going to have sex. We'll be champagne and spicy food. Okay. But there's nobody here, but you have sex food. I'm trying to not tell my husband. Exactly.

The sex trick, because then we'll get really excited. There's Patrick's here, but he doesn't really float in that direction. No. Okay. Wait, but Lisa, because I asked you if it was giving series finale, and you're saying you're, then you went into you being busy. So what are you telling us? Well, I'm busy. They want, I mean, they want to bring him back later.

It's on hiatus. The whole thing has to breathe a bit. Let everybody have their life go about and. stop talking about sandable, scoundable, and let's get on with life a little bit. A lot of things are happening. I mean, let's be honest, with this group, you could film them 52 weeks a year.

Yeah, yeah. Because it's an authentic story where they're all in and out of each other's vaginas and lives all day on. Do you think Ariana is going to, because she's doing massively well, you think I could see her saying, I don't need this anymore. Would that be smart of her or? I think it would be brave of her because she's been, you know, cast member for a long time and you'll pay,

kind of goes up exponentially as long used to stay on a show. But if she could find a job in musical theater, which is hard to do, though, let's be honest. Did you see her in Chicago? I wasn't here. Oh, right. She's not on right now. She's coming back, though.

She's coming back. Oh, are you going to come for it? I don't know. I'm so busy. I don't know. I'd like to see her, though. She might be, I felt like at the first part of the reunion, she might be a little bit upset with you.

Is she? No. I don't know. Maybe because you were a, a little team Tom. No, I'm definitely not on Team Tom. I'm on Team Band of Pump rules. I'm on Team mediator, team facilitator.

No, I can't feel I'm on Tom's team because I was disgusted by the whole thing. I mean, yeah, I just, the whole thing felt very grubby. It felt insiduous to me. I didn't, but when Tom was really struggling, we were like two or three months in by then, I was just like, this is too much. We need to. Yeah, we need to. Well, look, if you had kids, look at them like your kids, and you've got, say you've got,

not that you're going to have that, but say you've got, you know, eight kids, and you've got seven against one, and one's been really naughty, and one's behaved like an asshole, and one said, okay, I know I was wrong, but you keep saying, stop saying, but, just say, I know I was wrong, and I'm sorry, don't keep saying you did this and you do that. So you've got one kid, and you've got all seven kids, what would you do? As a mother, you'd be like, okay, guys, listen, let's look for the, good in this person that you loved for years. Yeah.

You wouldn't be like, yay, go after him, go after him. Right. I understood that she didn't want to be around him. That's up to her. Yeah. If Ken did to me what he did to her, I wouldn't want to be next to his house. But nobody understood, well, they're still living in the same house. That is crazy.

That's crazy. Because I would have the house. And he'd be singing soprano in a bed sit somewhere with no money. People were mad at her, though, for leaving the last episode. I didn't understand the cast were mad. They wanted her to have the conversation. But did you understand why she didn't want to? Well, would you?

Yeah. Would you want to have the conversation? No, I'm saying I understood her. It made sense everything she was saying on that part. But they felt for the show, they put everything out there. And they felt that if she can live in the same house, I think. Yeah. I felt that, come on, you can't keep saying, I'm not talking to you.

You know, like people want to know, how. how you feel. Right. So were you disappointed that she chose to leave? Well, yeah, but I was in France on Vanderpont Villa at the time.

She were like I wasn't there to stop it. I wasn't there. No, I wasn't there. I mean, it was the last day of shooting. Listen, it's up to them

to make their decision. The show isn't produced, you do this and you do that. I mean, of course, producers would like you to put everything on the table. But if you're not going to, you're not going to.

We're certainly not going to say you can't leave until you said it. Lala was really upset. It still is in the reunion, you'll see it. I know. Does she have a point to you think? This is what I don't like, the claims against Bravo, the fact that, oh, you're made to drink. But I'm not.

You've seen me on reality television for 15 years in my restaurants, in my bars. Who said you're made to drink? Oh, they were talking about, oh, the producers ply with drinks and Barvo and stuff. I mean, you drink if you want to drink. I mean, I think you've seen me drunk probably once in 500 episodes where I say, I want to take a couple of shots to celebrate the opening. of top and top, boom, let's get drunk, bang, bang. But if you don't want to drink, you don't drink, right?

I don't know anything I don't want to do, do you? No, I mean, and Lala's sober, James is sober. Oh, exactly. But do you think Lala has a point in her getting so angry about it? I feel like, to me, Lala can convince me to, like, kill somebody. Like, I feel like, whatever she, I said this to her face. Yeah, she speaks with great conviction. Yeah, I say to her face, like, even when you're wrong, you're right.

Like, even when she's saying such wrong shit. Oh, have you met her? Yeah, I went to see Chicago with Lala. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I like Lala a lot. Yeah. I think she's... Well, Lala was, you know, she was another one that was going to walk away.

I was like, you get back here. A lot of potential. I see it and you get back here. I mean, I think she's that would like such a great reality TV star and has so much charisma. She was going to walk away from that. I'm like, no, I'm not learning to do that. But are you sad that her and the friendship with Katie and Ariana are kind of on the out? These are these young people.

By the time, I mean, their friendships change. I was going to say more often than I change my underwear, but that's not true. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, like you change yourself. Yeah. It's like it moves so quickly. Yeah.

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I saw in her bio. She has, like, an agent, a manager. Anne's trying to get, trying to get in. there. Yeah. I mean, she's been stolen from Sandville by Ariana. In fact, I said if she could be stolen from Tom, could I steal her from Ariana? She worked for me. I don't have an assistant, but not that I want one, I need one. You don't have an assistant? No. Really? Yeah, I am my people. So who runs your errands? Like, you run your own errands of your own shit? No. Oh, so who does it? I have a housekeeper. Oh, but not an assistant. I mean, Pandora does a lot with me because we're in business

together. But no, I'm like pretty self-sufficient. So when you see all these young people have assistants, are you like judging? It's kind of weird for me when they're on Banderpump rules and I have to speak to their assistant when I don't have one. No, stop. What? They make you go, oh, my assistant will bring it over. And I'm thinking, oh, yeah, well, my assistant will bring it over to. But no, I mean, I have a big company. I mean, I like to keep my hands on everything. So what, so I wanted to know your thoughts on the Anne, Anne situation. Oh, I think she loves it. She's gleeful for the camera time.

And if she loves it so much and she's a good assistant, well, there's room for her on the show. Maybe I should employ her. I told her that last night. You did? Oh, she probably dropped. She had a heart of that if you said that there. Well, if you were stolen from Tom, I could steer her from Ariana.

She was like, oh, yes, yes, yes. But I don't know. Oh, my God. I hope not. No, it's not going to happen. Before you go, I want to ask you some random questions. Like, why aren't you at Berkdorf, good one right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you still smoke Sigs? Not even with a little cocktail? No. Really? Probably last time I had a cigarette was... Patrick is thinking.

No? No. I mean, if I lived in Europe, maybe I would have... But no. I would have a cigarette for years. For years? Should we have one now? I would.

Just before, you know, yeah. No, you can't. So for years, I feel like I saw a photo with you with, like, cigarette. No, the last time I had one, I think, was on a trip when they all beat me up and screamed at me and I stole one from a producer and thought, fuck it, and had a cocktail on the cigarette. Oh, really? Okay. No, I don't. So what is your biggest advice? I used to. Oh, I'm a big chocolate person. Like, I'd like to get that under control. Yeah. Yeah, probably. But I drink. I mean, like, when it makes me laugh, even like at the upfront, so like, let's do a picture,

Lisa, you're holding it like an apparel spitz or a glass fine. They go, oh, take the drink. I'm like, oh, do you take the drink? I have a glass of wine. Yeah. Why do I care about somebody to take a picture of me a glass of wine in my hand? Oh, yeah. You know what they do that? Yeah, why do they do that?

Who cares if you got a glass wine, yeah? I don't know. Maybe it's like you're working, you know? I don't know. I mean, I've seen that happen. I mean, the bar business, I mean, the restaurant business, we drink alcohol. I sell alcohol. I don't care.

Okay. But I only drink, probably two drinks a day. I mean, that's a lot of people think there's a lot, but to me, I probably have two glasses of wine. Every day. Yeah. I do. Red or white? It depends what I'm eating.

Mm, okay. Where would you rather go on a Sunday? Schwartz and Sandys. Oh, God. The other place. Or something about her. Oh, God. Oh, well, I love Schwartz.

You love Schwartz? I do. Oh, yeah. He's one of your top people. Yeah. Uh-huh. I love Schwartz. I had dinner with him last week.

Really? Yeah. He's looking good. He was on my podcast. I was like, okay, glow up. Oh, when was he on? He was on, like, a couple months ago? I hope for Schwartz that he gets your point.

where he can actually say what he's thinking and do what he's supposed to be doing without worrying about anybody else. That's what I hope for him. Yeah. You know. Because he's a smart guy. He's very smart. He's articulate as well.

I mean, yeah, he has a huge vocabulary. Yeah. Who would you rather be stuck on a deserted island with Brandy Glan? No, hold on a second. You've got to give me something good, like some one good person. Wait, how do you know? I'm not the way this is going. No, it's not good.

You're not. Okay, go on in Brandy Glanville. Yeah. Kyle Richards. Or Lisa Rinna. Stuck with. Stuck with. But how long?

Like, they'll save you in like five days. Oh, I couldn't last five days with any of them. I just couldn't. I have to plead the fifth and pass. You couldn't? No.

Oh, God, no. Stop. No, I couldn't. I couldn't think of anything worse. Hold on. Let me think if I can't think of something worse. No, I can't. Okay, dying in the plane crash would be worse.

Oh, God, for a bit. I'm just about to get on the way. No, no, no. In the hypothetical. a plane crush that got you on the deserted island. No, no, no. Okay, you can't even think about that question, huh? No, I couldn't know.

Oh, damn. You were so close with Kyle. Well, I thought I was. Yeah. But that's obviously not a French. Did you ever say what you thought of her in Morgan? And what's her name? Morgan.

Morgan. In Morgan. Kyle and Morgan. Oh, Morgan. Oh, the young woman that is having a pair with. Oh, okay. Is she or not? I don't know.

I think so. Oh, I don't know. I did say I did say, I did say, I did say, I did she, I did say, I did say, I did she, I did say I don't care who she's munching on them. That was quoted. Yeah. Because I don't know and I don't, I don't care. Does anybody care really? I think that's why I don't understand about the whole game thing. I think people wouldn't care. I think people would be down with it. You know what? Amanda, you know what it is? What is that? People aren't interested in what you're doing. They're interested in what you're hiding. Right. Right? Yeah. So if she said, hey, I'm, I'm sleeping with

this. Yeah. People would be down. And people after three or four times would be like, shut up already. We don't care. But if it's ambiguous, then it's like, but maybe she's doing that for a reason. I don't know. Maybe she wants people. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not, you know, like you've got, I don't know.

Listen, I'm not surprised. You're not surprised at all of it. No. If you had to hire. If it keeps up relevant and topical, I'm not surprised. Oh. Okay, there's a rhyme and a reason for everything. If you had to hire one person back.

No. None of them. None of them. For sir. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Jacks, Stasi, Kristen, Tom Schwartz, or Lala. Oh, Lala, Lala, Schwartz, not Kristen, not Jax. Jacks, no. You really never liked Kristen. No. Ever. No. I remember even on the show before I just, you never vibed with her.

No. Why? I thought it was very nice to put her on my show. No, but there was something. I mean, look, I did bring the group to the casting. Like, it was only those people that auditioned, really. I mean, we saw other people. but she was part of the group.

But I always felt Kristen was right in the middle of everything and liked to stir things up. Like, even as waitress, she would make things more complicated than it was. That's what I don't like. I like people that make things simple. But, no, I didn't dislike her. I just didn't, you know, but I knew that she was part of that friend group and I wanted her to be part of the cast, yeah.

Even today, I saw. And I'm produced, I'm produced on the Valley, so, you know. You're a producer in the Valley? I didn't even reduce that. I produced porno as well. I was thinking, I was like, I don't really. I did.

I did. Okay, good. But no, I was just thinking about the Valley because it's doing well. Like, I'm surprised at how much I'm into it. You know, people are very into the show. At first year, like, I can't get down with new people. Then you get down with the new people.

Said that about Villa, didn't they? They were like, oh, no, we can't. People are loving the show. Don't have ribbon our life for new people. And then they check into the French countryside. And they're like, oh, I like being here. I feel like with the Vanderpump Villa, it wasn't also too.

many people. And it's also, like you said, they lived a lot. It was a lot. It was 12. But they're all like there and they live there. That's it. So you were checking into that hotel, you know, as a viewer. Yeah. And you're immersed in the French countryside with all the flowers and the beauty. And you think, oh, I quite like being here. I like it. Yeah. And you, how is it for you living there? Oh, I, listen. Did you bring anybody with you? I had time away. Oh, of course. My teddy paws would not get away from Nanny Pinky. Wait, Teddy was there running around? Of course.

Teddy's my life. He makes a cameo in it. Pandora. When we first started doing it, I said, can Pandora? And you think they probably thinking, oh, my God, talent's daughter, what a pain in the ass. I'm a producer. I'm a producer. I said, can she, within three days, they were like, oh, my God, she's got to be a producer.

She's so amazing. She ended up being supervising producer. Really? Pandora, because she came out of my vagina, just like your child. It's going to be like, I mean, well, I mean, they're all children different. I love them all. I love Max and Panic very differently.

She's like you. She's very much like me. If she ever showed an interest in like being, though, like a reality star. Oh, God, no, she wouldn't. She wouldn't? No, not. No. So she's not like you in that way.

No, she's more like the mother in our relationship. She's super smart. Chestizes me all the time. You know what I just saw a clip of? Speaking of Kristen, which is why I thought about you not liking her, is she was. Well, I don't. Not like her, I just... You don't vibe, you don't vibe.

But she was saying in this podcast of hers recorded like six months ago, she was calling Pandy's accent fake and saying that she turns it on just... And she was like, she only... And what's funny about Kristen is when she says something bad, she says it. She's like, I love Pandy, but like, oh my God, it makes me want to like throw up when she does her fake British accent. Because she... But I think what I need, she's a little confused. I think Pandora...

She fell on her head. Pandora, yeah. I mean, Pandora sometimes, the only thing I think she might do is put on a little bit of an American accent when she's with her American friends. She did that. I mean, she went to school in France, south of France for many years. Yeah.

And she went to the Chelten College Ladies' School, Charlton Ladies' College, which is like the kind of most formal English school. So she was in America until she was eight or something. And then she came back to America when she was 19. So obviously, and her parents are British. So obviously her accent's British, as is Max. You know, we'll both have a British accent. But sometimes I would see, even at college, if she was talking with her,

she would put on a little bit of American accent just to kind of, you know. So she got to twist it. It's the other way around. Yeah, but she gets everything twisted Kristen, you know. When you see her on the Valley making a mess of everything, are you shocked? No, I expect it. Yep, yep, there she goes again. So it's a good reality star, though.

I can't say yes. You can't say yes even to her being a good reality star. No. Lisa, you hate her. All right. No, I don't hate her as much as you love Gordon Ramsey. Oh, no. No, no.

No, she doesn't stimulate really. In fact, too much time has been given to her now. I'm glad that she's on the show. I'm glad that she's doing, you know, she's being herself. But she's never been somebody I thought, oh, I love this person. Yeah, that was your gut, kind of from the beginning. So in Vanderbump Villa, who's your favorite, who's in your heart, who's your James Kennedy? Well, it was pretty quick.

We were only there like two and a half months. It's a while, though, to be with them there. I mean, I think Hannah Marciano, maybe they're getting a rough time. But Marciano can be so charming. I mean, maybe you haven't seen his best. You've seen his worst. You need to maybe stop with the eyebrow waxing and the like face oil or something. base oil.

I don't know. He's too like the tight pants. I just, it's not doing it for me like sexually. Well, you're pregnant. I know, but I always need to,

when I look at, I need to like imagine like, would I be into him? No. You're pregnant. Yeah. Yes. You're pregnant.

So what? I can't have thoughts. No, you can't have thoughts. Okay. Okay. Can't have thoughts. No for a minute.

Anyway. And then Marciano are leading. Telly, I feel like is interesting. Telly. Yeah, I like Telly. But Telly did quite a lot of I want to go home,

which was, you know, because I see in telly. I want her to be, you know, my star. Yeah. You know, she's like, bright, beautiful and I see. So, her saying, I want to give up. I want to give up. I want to go home.

You don't like that. I want her to, you know, have tenacity and whatever she does. And Hannah and Marziano really. Yeah, they're good. Yeah, they're good. And they're giving. Yeah, they're giving. They're good.

They're fun. Give me anything who don't give me boring. Are, so is Vanderpunfilla going to come back? You'll have me your baby soon. I don't. You know, I can't answer. I know. I can never ask you.

I can never answer that. But I think they loved it, yeah. But so much coming up for you. A lot. A lot. You've been busy. Just open my new restaurant, Lake Tahoe, Wolf. Oh, an excuse to come out to Lake Tahoe.

Which they say could be one of the most beautiful restaurants ever. I mean, Van de Pampaparie, my last one was, I think, 11th most photograph restaurant in United States. Are you ever going to slow down, Lisa? Oh, yeah. Not yet. No, so. Do you see it ever happening?

At some point, yes, I think you have this dream of us, sit around, do nothing. And then like you said earlier, like, this is why you're here. And I'm not pregnant doing this. Right. You know, I have a lot of energy. You do. Yeah, I do. Well, you're the best, Lisa.

I really am so happy to be on the show. Right back at you. Right back at you. Like, what a cool fucking human. I think, oh my God. Well, thank you. You know what? I don't have many regrets.

I wish, as I say, maybe I'd have more children. But I try to live my life with humor and grace, you know, certainly, and try to kind of make the right decisions. Young people always interest me, you know, and seeing that. Yeah, you don't get over it. Whenever I'm watching the show and people come to you or they tell you the tea or they tell you the gossip and I'm like, how is she still like in it? Like you're still, you can listen to the bullshit and the drama and the like these issues

between these people and you're still like, does it give you? does it give you life? Like it gives you... No, but I do think something that, you know, like people say to me, oh, you're funny, you know, how, where do you... It's because I listen. Because normally if you're funny,

it's you're bouncing off something that's just been said, right? So you're kind of turning something. So I listen. I'm very engaged. That's what people say. When you talk to me, you know, I feel like

I'm the only person in the room. Do you know what I mean? And I think you're very engaged. And I think that is something that I really. really, really encourage, listen to people. Yeah. You learn a lot.

When I have my podcast, very briefly in COVID, the people, somebody, they always had a story to tell, you know? Would you do a podcast again? If I had time, I would. Yeah. But I would want it set up in Villa Rosa, so I, because I love being home, and I don't get any time at home at all. I mean, you could do that.

I feel like we could make that happen. Yeah, I could do. But right now, I've got so many other things on my plate, yeah. Well, everybody, go binge Vanderponville if you haven't. It's all on Hulu. She has a new Hulu family. Yeah, I love it. And they treat me like a game.

I know, some PJs. Yeah. Oh, they're great. Oh, my. You're living. Does Bravo get jelly? I don't know. They didn't know.

I'm still back in Bravo's Clubhouse. You are. And I'm a big advocate of Andy Cohen, you know. You love him. Yeah, I do. I mean, he's like, sometimes like, what the fuck? Didn't you defend me when they're, but I guess he can't, you know, if they're, you know, got housewives on there and stuff.

But you can tell who he loves. Yeah, I love him. No, the fans can. Very indignant about all these accusations coming against him, so I didn't believe any of them. Well, he's got your support. Totally. Thank you, Lisa. Can't wait to see all the shit.

What? You want me to, what are you? Okay, jalapinos. It would be so good. Well, it's sex, but Patrick's the only one that can oblige. It's sex, something spicy and some champagne. No, she needs this baby out. Oh, I would love that.

He needs the same. That would be our moment. And we could, look, hold on, close up. Oh, my God. I'm so excited to watch. Just take your trousers off. Give a little bush. Thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Not Skinny but Not Fat. Follow me on Instagram at Not Skinny but Not Fat. Subscribe to the podcast so you don't miss any episodes. Rate the podcast that you love so much on Apple Podcast and write a little review. If you tell me you did, I'll give you a big

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